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- Опубліковано 10 сер 2022
- In this video I will show you the easiest way to clean your cast iron tool surfaces such as your bandsaw, table saw, jointer, or planer. I will also demonstrate application of a new product called Carbon Coat from a company call Carbon Method. It is a nano coating that is applied over the cast iron surface to eliminate rust.
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I was just commenting on The Wood Whisperer video where he applied it. I just applied it to my brand new Sawstop a couple of weeks ago and I know it’s too soon for long term review results but I can already tell it’s awesome. I live in southeast Alabama, and my last saw was a Grizzly G0691 and I ALWAYS had to re-clean it. I coated that with T9 Boeshield and paste wax and I would still get rust and oxidation very quickly afterwards, even just finger prints. So far this new saw with the Carbon Method is extremely noticeably better, super smooth and I’ve been using it while sweating my butt off, changing blades, touching the cast iron, not a single blemish yet. I love it. I found their application video to be perfect, I followed it to the letter and it went on as advertised. I also applied it to my bandsaw and jointer. Their customer service is top notch. I called late on a Saturday to find out their hours on a recording so I knew when to call back on Monday, to my surprise Dan answered the phone and talked to me for awhile and answered all my questions. I’d post a pic of my saw if I could.
I can’t wait to see how it holds up over time!
@@bentswoodworking Agreed. This product seemed like a no risk investment to me, the science and logic behind it is solid.
First few days of my SS I inadvertently left a piece of slightly wet wood on it overnight.. Instant rust..
I use the rubber and metal pads to get rust off. Works for me then just wax every few days or so.
I'm not particularly worried how pretty the surface is. It's a workshop. Shiny and bright is ok, but again..it's a workshop, not a kitchen sink..
You can spend your days polishing your saw or you can make a living. I choose to make a living.
@@martinoamello3017 I understand what you’re saying, and I think the same way. I’ve built two work benches in the last 8 years and I watched all these people using nice expensive hard maple or other fancy and expensive woods. I used 2x4’s, 6x6’s, and 2x6’s laminated. I know I’m going to be swinging mallets and chisels around on it, dinging and gouging it up, and getting stains and paint on it, occasionally throwing a lawnmower on it to service it. To me a work bench is just that, a work bench, it’s SUPPOSED to get beat up, if you’re using it right. With that said, for most of us (including serious wood workers) cast iron surfaces such as a table saw aren’t about being pretty, it’s about preserving your tools for long life use. When you dump $4k-$5k on a new SS like I did, I don’t want to have to buy another…….EVER AGAIN if I can help it. And, if the difference in that happening is because I care for my equipment, then that’s what I’ll do. You’re correct, who cares how pretty it looks, I can’t remember ANY time someone came into my shop to grade me on the beauty of my tools and how shiny my cast iron is. You mentioned putting the wax on it every few days. I use to do that, with this stuff I haven’t had to touch it at all anymore and it is super slick. My SS, band saw, and jointer/planer haven’t gotten a speck of rust or oxidation on it and I live in southeast Alabama, where it’s very humid and I have no air conditioning (my shop is my garage) and I sweat about a gallon of sweat every day I work in there.
@@martinoamello3017 I think the point of this product is that potentially you can *reduce* the maintenance time and also improve both appearance and *function* with this product. That's the idea anyway. I think I'll give it a try, nothing really to lose, except some hard-earned dollars.
Did you even watch the video? It really didn't take much time at all to complete the cleaning and application. Compare this to your current practice of applying paste wax *every few days*? That seems like a lot of time wasted because your protection scheme is suboptimal. But hey, knock yourself out. If you want to spend all that time waxing your cast-iron work surfaces, no one else is going to object...
I've done similar prep work (Scotch Brite pad on an orbital sander with WD40 followed by a wipe down with mineral spirits) one time on my cast iron table saw top. Instead of using the carbon coating I then used Johnson's paste wax. By reapplying it once every month or so I've never had to clean rust off the table saw top again, it remains rust-free.
I also did the same thing. Worked flawlessly. Woodworking is expensive enough without spending 100 dollars on every space age product. You don’t need the blue towels either. Bounty works just fine.
That's exactly what I've been doing to my 80's craftsman table saw for 30+ yrs, she looks better than the day I bought her. The only thing I changed/up greated is, I changed out the 1hp single phase 120v motor to a 3hp 240v motor.
Exactly! Johnsons Paste Wax for me too.
My woodshop is unheated in Ohio.
I do keep all of the tables covered when not in use. Mostly to keep people from sitting their soda cans on them.
Just some old salvaged 1/4” plywood. Nothing that might trap moisture like plastic.
Fantastic advice, thanks for the info. I was hoping to see a slightly cheaper version of a sealant. I have paste wax as a standard, but spending 100$ on a sealant would be hard to justify as a casual woodworker, but a few bucks for past wax is very doable!
Could not agree more!
I’ve used the maroon Gator 6x9 scuffing pads (synthetic steel wool) 360 grit from my local Menards. Cut a circle to match my orbital sander and voila, day and night difference. Looks like new in comparison of the before and after pictures. Used denatured alcohol to remove the WD40, then sealed the surface with paste was. Thanks for the video.
220 grit sandpaper, wipe clean, follow with car wax. Top doesn’t rust and wood slides super smooth. My 1990 craftsman cast iron table saw sits in my unheated garage year round in NH and is in perfect shape. It has done a lot of work.
What car wax you use? 😃
@@purplecookie687 turtle wax
BTW nice approach to bring back the original finish look.
There was a product I purchased at IWF in Atlanta some 30+ years ago which I still have but is no longer available under the original name. It was called Kitty Speed and one can lasts forever. No longer available under that imported name but can still be purchased as "Silbergleit". It is made in Germany and it does a great job keeping the surface clean and slick. We used it on our 16 our jointer, planer and table saws. It is made for woodworking tools and I highly suggest giving it a try. Kind of expensive but again you may never buy another can again since it lasts so long.
It’s time to clean my Grandad’s 1963 craftsman tablesaw, my 20 year old delta bandsaw, and my new 8” jointer. I don’t want to think about all the hand planes needing this. Glad I found your video.
It’s nice being in the shop thinking about those now long gone who used many of the tools I inherited.
I used this same technique to clean and restore the bare-metal parts of several old letterpress printing presses, including a Kelly-B and a C&P Old Series 10x15 from 1911, but with an extra step. After the Scotch Brite bads with WD-40, I went over the entire thing again with a finer grade of Scotch pads, and used Marvel Mystery Oil. That gave me a nice bright finish.
I also used mineral spirits to clean everything off, I sealed it with 3 coats of Nu-Finish NF-76 polymer car wax, applied over several days. That worked amazingly well. Maybe not as long-lasting as your ceramic product, but it costs less than $10 a bottle, and that bottle is enough to do every press I own a dozen times, which is 5 or 6 years worth of applications...
Good process. I found that if you live in humid areas or have differences in temperature in your shop you can get some condensation on those Iron table tops. To prevent that and also to protect against any contamination or worse....dings from stuff dropped on the ast iron I make covers out of 1/2" thick OSB that sit on top of the table tops. have been doing that for my band saw as well as metal lathe and milling machine ways. The OSB prevents condensation and provides great protection. Defintely very important to preserve your machinery. While this is imporant for saws....it is extremely important for metal lathe ways as they are finished to much finer and accurate tolerances than the saw tables. The OSB can be removed and reinstalled quickly and if it gets dinged or contaminated, it is cheap to replace.....that is why I don't use plywood for the same purpose. I have been using his method since 2005 and it works great. The wood covers breath whereas a plastic cover whould not and may cause conensation and rust damage.
It's quite clear to me that this is a commercial for Macy's plaid button up shirts for Dad's, which are made from 1200 thread Egyptian cotton and stretch fit to make any dad look his best
Looking at the stripes, I can see that is a well made shirt! And after further review, I realized that he cleaned and applied in a plaid design, as well!
@@rudispruell883 Jason is a man of consistency
How is this not marked as a sponsored video? 😂
We are such slaves to fashion…🤷♂️
My wife chews my ace out if I were $ 80.00 shirts in the shop.
I heard about this on the podcast, and was looking forward to seeing it. I'm sold! I think this will be very popular soon. Thanks for the in depth application!
Hi Jason. A very informative video and I applaud the thorough way in which you present it. I hope I can get this product in the UK, as I need to treat my bandsaw and table saw. Keep up the good work. Colin
I used the same T-9 rust product you described and got the same undesirable staining result. It hasn't been a high priority for me to fix, but I'm glad you dropped an easy solution in my lap...top. Now I can skip the research and gitt'r done! Thanks.
Awesome video! Saw looks incredible! Just got some of the carbon coat, same kit you used and will be applying it soon! Thanks for the instruction, you are a great teacher.
Thanks buddy
Excellent video. I will be doing this to my cast iron tables. Very thorough.
Got a used table saw that was neglected, what I did was sand top with 220, cleaned with mineral spirits and waxed it..I'm telling ya it's the smoothest most buttery top ever...worked amazingly well and simple...seems there's several ways to do it...your way definitely works as well...
I don't even own a table saw, so I really don't know why I'm watching this other than to make me wish I had room for one. Great explanation and demonstration. Thanks!
Saw TWW's video and considered purchasing the kit and now after watching yours I'm going to give it a try myself here in humid Central Florida. Thank you!
You’re welcome
There is a reason most wood workers and Auto Body Shops only use a Carnuba Wax. These other Automotive silicon, graphine, Ceramic,Teflon type product can transfer to materials that can make it impossible to put on a finish / repaint without issues. Just like nothing stuck to your truck, if it transfers from your tools or hands, paints and stains will no adhere proper for a new finish. Having 20 years in automotive refinish, this would be the last thing I would recommend putting one as a final coat. You are spot on with your cleaning steps, 3M Scotch Bite Res is a 320-400 grit equivalent grit which is very good with WD 40 and Acetone is a very good final wash product that evaporates fast and leaves no residue prior to a Carnuba Wax finish for tools IMHO
It seems like wax could impede finishes as well. Is there something special about wax that keeps it from transferring?
Great info, this is what I’ve been looking for. Kohl’s for dad plaid and some Sweet Shop Sandals. But seriously I love good looking cast iron tops, and hand plane body’s.
I work at a small sized non-climatized cabinet shop in coastal GA.
To keep rust away,we coat 2 tablesaws,1jointer,4 shapers,and 1 edge sander twice a week with Johnsons paste wax.
It takes a good 30 minutes each time ,am thinking this would save a lot of time.
That's what I have used for years. Works great and less expensive.
@@retiredlife848 only problem is they no longer make Johnsons past wax unfortunately.
Looks like a great product. Thanks for sharing your experience with it!
You’re welcome buddy
You are correct about the J/P surfaces in the design you have relative to effort when milling. The flat unbroken surface can start to exhibit what almost feels like suction on the workpiece as you get it flat when face jointing. So I'm not surprised that the surface prep you used improved performance for this task. Some machine manufacturers have a surface grind that is not continuous which naturally helps with face jointing wide boards. My SCM/Minimax machine is like that. But even there, adding a surface treatment kicks things up further. I may very well try the Carbon Coat product once I have my new shop building up and am doing maintenance on the machines. Thanks for your contribution to that conversation after Wood Whisperer's.
It’s definitely made the jointer/planer way slicker which I am extremely happy about
My SC4e and FS41e arrived two weeks ago. I did end up ordering the Carbon Method products and I'll be removing the cosmoline this weekend and apply the Carbon Method products. I'm down in Austin, so not a high humidity area and a conditioned workshop, but I'm very curious how this holds up and how the performance of the surface feels.
@@pr0jektcha0s My SC3C is about to arrive and I'm considering this treatment for it. Congrats on your new machinery! I used another product on my FS350 after dealing with a condensation rust issue this past winter in my temporary shop so I'm guessing I'd need to find a way to remove that before doing the Carbon Coat treatment...I'll have to investigate that.
@@jimbecker5675 Jim, I knew you retired and moved. Did you stay in PA? We spoke many, many years ago. I grew up in Carlisle, so I know how brutal the humidity is up there. I'd have to treat my equipment darn near every other week to prevent rust. Here, not as much of a problem and my new shop is fully air conditioned. I'm waiting for a pallet jack I ordered before I finish setting up the SC4e since it's near a wall I can't get to it at the moment. 🙂I'll report back how the Carbon Method product works out. For me it will be more friction performance than anything. However, I'm cleaning up my old equipment that was temporarily in storage for about a two years. Unfortunately, water got into the unit and caused rust on everything and I'm trying to clean them up to sell most of it now that my new hardware arrived. This is not fun work.
@@pr0jektcha0s Retired in 2017. Always have lived in PA, but we moved last spring to our "downsize" property "in town" here in central Bucks County. It's much "wetter" here than at the old property, despite only being 10 miles. Very high water table, etc. I never had rust in over 20 years at the old shop, even before the minisplit went in. But having to open the "big door" of the temporary gara-shop a couple of warm days in December made for a rust party. I never had to coat things in the past; now I do. The new shop building, going up next month, will be conditioned, but I'm hedging about the moisture and definitely coating; either with what I used a few months ago or with this new Carbon Coat magic. :)
In the textile industry we did much the same the final coating was light coating of coco nut oil. I was never given what the reason for this , just that’s the way it was done for years
I remember reading about graphene in Popular Science, like a decade ago?, thinking how cool it will be when it finds its way into commercial products. Was also v. keen after watching Spags vid. Looking forward to your long-term review. Great information as always, and I’ll be calling your cleaning technique the “Bent Method” from now on. Your work surface looks immaculate!🤙🏻
Thanks buddy!!
3M Maroon Pads AKA SPP pads {surface preparation pads}. Are phenomenal for polishing many surfaces especially aluminum/ steel etc. Its grit factor falls around the 320 - 400 grit area and if washed out properly, can be reused a few times before it's degraded. And it can be used wet or dry.
Fantastic video! I just placed my order. Can't wait to get it and clean up my tools so they look like this! The saw looks brand new!! Thanks for the step by step video.
On a different note, you had mentioned you changed your microphone. Personally, I think the other system sounded better. This seemed to have some more noise.
Glad you found the video helpful. As for the mic, still getting it dialed in.
Your videos are so detailed, well presented and enjoyable. I don't know whether I can get Carbon Method products in the UK, but I will investigate. Thanks Jason
Exactly the step I did last week and I can verify this is by far the best method for cleaning cast iron surfaces
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I learned years ago to use automotive paste wax on any surface that wood slides on. It prevents rusting and helps the wood move easier.
Just got my carbon coat stuff this evening. Gotta get some mineral spirits and towels and applying this weekend. I'm in South east AK so... we're a temperate rain forest here. Humidity is a way of life.
First of your videos that I've seen. Really enjoy your manner of speaking.
I’m actually going to try this with my DA polisher, finishing compound and a ceramic coat. I have the hybrid solutions spray which is only $15 a bottle. Lasted a little over 6 months in my car so should last forever on the saw. A better ceramic/graphine coating should last a life time.
Curious what a clay bar would pick up as well.
I haven't had rust in 20 years. That's when I started using an air conditioner and a small dehumidifier in my shop for winter. I keep the temp 70 Deg. give or take 3 Deg. and try to keep it under 50% humidity. No coatings or protection is needed. I wish I could keep a Blanchard grinder pattern on my cast iron. Shiny is nice, but the Blanchard pattern says "new and flat".
Great process man!
Quick tip for people like me who use wood throat plates: make sure you remove it before cleaning :D
I forgot the first time I conditioned my saw through a different process and permanently stained my throat plate :P didn't affect it's function, but looked bfugly.
I had a small rikon bandsaw that had rust on it and before selling it I used barkeepers friend and a scotchbrite pad. Then wiped and cleaned it off after, then sprayed with WD40, then a final coating with paste wax. It worked great. The barkeeper's friend removed everything (just like it does on stainless steel pots).
I used my rotex 150 and it worked great
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome
After watching the video advert i was still skeptical. But when i finally downloaded the plans ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxZF0EMnrujZvqHhGkxiz559uIABJWR9TG i was very impressed. The whole plan was just as you said in the video. Thank you very much. I now have a large and valuable collection for my woodworks. This is great!
Awesome information thanks for sharing!!
You’re welcome
I enjoyed the video. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the info, looking forward to an update in the future regarding the longevity of the product. BTW, Nice Flip Flops in the shop. (I see another "Get Bent" for Hans in the making, LOL)
Lol thanks. Cast iron maintenance is definitely a flip flop kind of task 🤣
I put wood shavings on my top during the winter and in the spring its as good as new
Every shop i ever worket at used wd40 or crc 6-56. Both work. In florida its very humid and usually not air conditioned. Miss the spray down on friday and yoy WILL be sanding monday morning!
Amazing Cleaning ! will do mine.
Greetings, very good demonstration with the tools, very interesting. I was looking for a very good portable compressor, thanks.
I use a penetrating oil (Aerokroil Penetrating Oil / WD20) for initial cleaning. I then use a solvent to remove residue oil. I finish with (CRC Electrical Silicon Lubricant). Leaves surface dry and slick as heck!
the pads are about 400 grit and you can get them in kitchen supply isles for like $3, looks great!
Good tips to an ongoing problem for many SS owners. 👌🏽
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Great advice and video!
It's interesting that you mention the maroon pad's abrasives are just effective enough to remove unwanted material --- ON -- the surfaces, without removing any of the wanted material...
( I summarized[?] -- restated[?] )
These are -- The Only -- pads recommended by Extreme Accuracy Distance Shooters and Gunsmiths --- for polishing the bore in new rifle barrels --- New premium barrels are as perfect as modern machining can achieve.
But! But! But! Machining and Tooling were not perfect. Very small, and often microscopic, burrs and tooling marks contributute to the accumulation of copper and lead "fouling" in the barrels and rifling. Each round fired through a barrel, slightly changes the absolutely critical contact environment... which means: -- No Consistency! --
Whether shooting competitively, or for hunting, the elimination of "variables" is --- Key!"--- to success.
Maroon "Scotch Bright" pads used (Very Sparingly) as a step in "Accurizing" a rifle, is able to remove virtually all "little sharp thingies" from the equation, And! They achieve a level of polishing that reportedly adds a great deal of improvement.
However! Importantly, the experts warn that excessive use --- more than 3-5 times pushing/pulling them through a rifle bore --- !WILL REMOVE THE WANTED BASE MATERIAL!
So, yeah... slightly abrasive, but still abrasive. DON'T OVER-DO IT.
Too much "cleaning and polishing" with power tools can eat away your surfaces.
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Great video! Shop Nation just came out with a video about this today also! How awesome
Glad you found it helpful
Many thanks for this .
You’re welcome
I just ordered and received a jar of ceramic coating for my truck. I’m going to try a small area on my jointer and see what happens.
Excellent meticulous video.
Interesting to see someone who is as OCD as I am😬about my little shop & tools. Now I have to try & track down this Carbon Method product for sale in/to Canada.
great info
Excellent
It's amazing that people keep going for WD4. If you want a surface to be cleaned of all rust, the best product I have found for that is Zep 45. WD-40 is minor league compared to Zep-45 for rust cleaning and removal on metal. That is what I use for my vintage steel planes, chisels, and Pax handsaws.
Sorry but your still doing it wrong and working too hard. Use Evaporust to remove rust. No Scrubbing Then get your top surface ground flat to a fine finish. Finally get your top copper plated then Nickel electroplated, satin finish not bright nickel. It will never rust again.
DONE.
@@mrgcav Problem with that is that it doesn't work on surfaces that get abraded a great deal. Such as handsaws, wood planes, and chisels, and other assorted metal hand tools. The plating rubs off. There is no free lunch. One still has to be proactive in taking care of one's tools.
One could use any number of kraft papers that have negative ph wax, and are impregnated with chemicals that are rust retarding, and use the papers to wrap the metal tools in. That actually works; but, only after cleaning, and maintaining the tool, and afterwards wrapping them in the rust retardant brown papers.
You can also do like some people who made their own "Poor Man's" Evaporust!
Citric acid and water.
Jason - thank you for the videos. I enjoy your material.
My question - using the RO sander, do you present swirl marks on the cast iron ?
The prevention wisdom was to use straight strokes fore and aft .
Thank you in Advance
Just watched and followed your steps and works great, I do have a question and that’s, can you apply the steps for the fence on your jointer, I have an A3-31 even though the fence is aluminum?
the scotchbrite pads are used to clean components in the shipboard reactor compartments . . .
Great Video! Quick question on how long you spent on each section? Did you time lapse the video? I just picked up a pretty old and well used Jet JBOS-5 spindle sander and spent about 15 minutes with this process. All of the surface rust is gone but it still has some decent dark stains.
Literally found this video because T9 left all kinds of smear marks on the table of my brand new (hasn’t even been powered on) SawStop. Thank you!
You’re welcome
I found the best way to keep my table tops in shape is to clean with disk brake cleaner wipe it clean and apply a good car wax and it's good for about a month.
This is just an excellent presentation in every way possible.
I usually use a random orbital sander with black wet/ dry paper, but this is so superior. Thank you so much for this excellent instruction.
Well done.
You have another subscriber.
Brent check out Turtle Wax ceramic coating $15 and you can coat stuff to your arm falls off, I put it on my bandsaw last year and it's still exactly as bright as it was the day I put it on
Thank you!!!!!!
I did the same thing with T9 on my table saw. I've tried everything to clean this off. At one point I must have grabbed a rag that had some oil or grease on it. Can you comment on how much relative pressure you applied, what speed was the sander setting and how many passes were required for your effected tool? Thank you.
curious how this product would compare side by side to to a top of the line ceramic spray coating for cars
Nice video ! I noticed that you mentioned that you were going to replace your saw rails. I have the same Sawstop and was wanting too use the Incra rails but there isn't a way to use the my Sawstop outfeed table with the Incra rails !! Any suggestions ??
After cleaning, a coat of wax helps keep it clean. I found that spray starch helps reduce friction during use.
I cleaned min with lacquer thinner to remove oil than used 600 grit sandpaper and it removes everything. When that is wiped off completely and dry, I used gun blue to packetize the medal. It looks fantastic just like the finish on a gun, and wood will not scratch or leave any marks to the finish, once a week or so I use silicone spray... let it almost dry and buff it out with a shop towel, it stays slick through heavy use. Cost, under $10.00 for both products. No more surface rusting, at all, not even down here in Florida where the humidity 80% for the better part of the year. It's quite unique looking and I get a lot of compliments and comments. Just my 2 cents.
Silicone causes finishing issues on wood or metal. Bob Flexnor has an excellent wood finishing book.
@@H0kieJoe Of course I wiped any silicone residue off, and actually buffed it in leaving just the sheen. It is very frictionless..
@@stevenbland2736 Did you wipe it down with isopropyl alcohol to get rid of the silicone? Otherwise it's still impregnated on the surface of the metal and traces of that will get on your wood. If you've had no finishing problems, great, but it's best stay away from silicone altogether. There are better alternatives available.
@@H0kieJoe I have never noticed the slightest bit or traces of anything picked up by using the silicone. I since started using a ceramic coating that comes in a spray bottle, it works even better and again, no soiling of any kind on the wood.
Sorry but your still doing it wrong and working too hard. Use Evaporust to remove rust. No Scrubbing Then get your top surface ground flat to a fine finish. Finally get your top copper plated then Nickel electroplated, satin finish not bright nickel. It will never rust again.
DONE.
Just ordered the products from Carbon Method --- They should be giving you a cut! I've been using the WD40 cleaning method for decades on my '82 Craftsman TS, which is my workhorse, and using Boeshield Glide Coat but having to do it a couple times a year is a PITA. I would compare my top to yours (pre Carbon) any day. Looking forward to a change ... fingers crossed!
Good to know.
Like Marc showed just don't get standing water on your cast iron. No product protects against standing water including this snake oil. FWW did an article on all the different cast iron treatments and none of them worked any better than the others for their torture test. T9 and wax works fine and is a hell of a lot cheaper and faster. Just keep water off your cast iron including wood/wood dust that has moisture in it. You will be fine. Refresh the finish every 6-12 months and all will be well.
Well. I’m nearing cleaning my garage out here in SC after 11 years of no use, i know it needs some TLC. it’s an older Craftsman Table saw before they started making “junk” overseas. Looks like a lot of work but think this will be work it. I was just impressed with another WD-40 wonder to clean it.
just gotta see how i’m gonna remove some glue from the top (blow torch likely)
See what happens. thanks
are you still planning on doing a follow-up video? I'd be interested to know if it held up as you hoped it would. Thanks, I really enjoy your channel.
Yes, soon
@@bentswoodworking Great! Thanks, I'm getting back into woodworking after a bit of a break. I'm getting my garage shop and tools back ready to work.
Pretty cool method and results. Thanks for showing us the process.
This surely sounds like an awesome product but I have to wonder how good it will inhibit rust formation if the cast iron is in an unconditioned shop (no HVAC). I live in Southern NJ and my detached workshop has no HVAC. I have both woodworking and metalworking machine tools which will rust anytime there is an abrupt change in weather from cold followed by a warm humid front rolling in. Any bare metal sweats and rusts unless I the tables with plastic sheet or keep a film of grease or oil on the other bare metal.
Amazingly effective way to clean the cast iron top. Bought an old table saw with a terrible looking top. Once I applied this method, it really looks amazing. Wish I could post a picture.
Sorry but your still doing it wrong and working too hard. Use Evaporust to remove rust. No Scrubbing Then get your top surface ground flat to a fine finish. Finally get your top copper plated then Nickel electroplated, satin finish not bright nickel. It will never rust again.
DONE.
This video is SUPER timely. I just inherited an older Grizzly jointer that has a lot of surface rust. I used to do a wire wheel, WD-40, NAPTHA, and paste wax. This looks like stubborn goobers will be easier to tackle. I noticed your ROS had the dust collection attached, I’m presuming you weren’t actively using dust collection, correct?
Correct. The house was disconnected at the source. Only on the sander so it isn’t dangling.
Jason, great video - very timely as I've got some surface rust starting due to a humidity issue in my shop. I see the hose was connected to the sander, but I presume you were NOT vacuuming the sludge? Can you confirm? Thanks!
Correct. The vac was unplugged from the source. Only plugged in to the sander so it wasn’t dangling
Hey Jason, nice video. I’m tired of waxing, but would like to know how is it holding up a year later? What kind of maintenance, if any, have you had to do? Thanks!
When in H.S. metal shop making metal things such as a customer tool box I would have to clean the rust off my bare metal project before I worked on it. But once together and painted I was ok. I stil have that now red custom made tool box decades later. My point is if and when you clean the oil or rust off the metal or iron surface such as your table saw top why not clear coat or paint it with something like a tough paint or a polyurethane type of coating ? I would do the poly my self I think.
You appeared to use the vacuum on your Festool random orbital sander. Perhaps it was attached because the cord and vacuum hose are together. Otherwise it would not be good to run paint thinner through your vacuum.
As you mention people are posting videos on this product yet the benefit is only proven by the manufacturer. It would be interesting to take pieces of cast iron and apply different products that claim to work and compare results.
What fence are you planning to put on your Sawstop? Great video as always.
So, I've been doing it like this for 20 years or so. The one thing I would recommend is to not use that sander with the vac, but instead get a random orbital 6 inch buffer and use that. You don't want WD40 in your good festoon sander hose and vac.
After the WD40 cleaning, I also wipe it down with acetone. I don't know if this is true, but I figured I don't want any WD40 interfering with the sealing coat.
I’ve got an issue. I haven’t been doing it wrong because I’ve been using a ROS with a maroon or white abrasive pad for a long while. I don’t have a big issue with rust but more with chemical stains. WD40 is being used as a lubricant - so any similar liquid would be fine.
For my little wood lathe and “portable” “table saw”, I just use the red scotch brite and WD-40 then wipe it and “clean with 99% ISO, and protect with RemOil. But, I think I’m going to get this kit, because my method works great, but doesn’t last long.
Automatic transmission fuild has a strong rust inhibitor additives
After cleaning, wouldn’t a nice application of paste wax do? It would be a lot cheaper.
Why didn't you remove the throat insert? I'm familiar with that ScotchBrite and I believe it would harm the painted surface, no?
Great video, thanks Jason. Maybe already asked, but have you tried the Carbon Glide on the bottom of a hand plane? Given how often I apply wax to the sole of a plane, I'm wondering how much easier this would make planing a long board or panel.
Hi, The Carbon Coat system works very well on hand planes. Carbon Glide was designed to bond to Carbon Coat, so for the best results, Carbon Coat your planes first.
I’m considering trying this as well
2 questions. Can you redo this process? Like a year later, would you sand it down again with a maroon pad and then start over? Question 2 is do you still use paste wax over this? Or only the glide spray?
Can you give more info as to what exactly the “purple pad” is?
Thanks…and great video.
Does Han’s have any other uses for the carbon glide? Maybe he’s got some activities he needs to reduce the frictions for.
Hi, thanks for the video...one thing I didnt notice pointed out is you need to wait 60 MINUTES BETWEEN COATS...lots of great detail on waiting 60 seconds between steps etc...but it sure appeared to me that I could recoat in 60-90 seconds etc...not correct....just something maybe point out in the detailed video.
It is recommended you wait 30-60 minutes depending upon on your environment
You know that I have had a brush guard for pickup that had a lot of rust on it , I Try a lot of stuff trying to remove the rust !! And I try WD40 with a wire brush on a drill and it took all of the rust off the chrome brush guard and made it look like it was new . Try that see what you think about that ?
After the carbon coating was cured and you applied the carbon glide, did you get any discoloring or dark stains on your applicator rag?? Just curious 🤔
Have you done any research as the the risk of working with nano particle materials in respect to personal health considering the size of nano particles and a risk of penetration of the skin and inhalation of airborne particles? Technically have you done any measurable comparisons between the new product and previous product(s) that demonstrate a difference in friction, if so, how much? In such a comparison, does the cost and application time significantly make a difference? Then of course there are the long term comparisons, which will be a later task, when it gets to be an appropriate, "long." Thanks!
How did this hold up? I know you have different tools and you don’t have the same table saw. I have an old Delta cabinet saw. When I got it I had to get it cleaned up. It was bad. That was about 4-5 years ago. I need to clean it up. And a couple other tools.
Jason, are you running the vac while using the sander?