THANK YOU! Fire, flood, and wind damage are not discussed enough when we use ICF. Home insurance is becoming outrageous in cost. This construction needs NO home insurance. We just need to get the mortgage banks and insurance companies to create special exceptions for ICF homes.
Do you have any recommendations for an architect that does plans for houses built with ICF? I have a very simple rectangular house plan I made that I’d like to have full blueprints made with plumbing and electrical by someone that understand the engineering of those things with ICF
Please do quick video on the general process/workflow from the perspective of a GC or owner-GC from deciding if an ICF roof is right in your case. A updated cost breakdown would be interesting as well. I am based in Arizona so I am curious if ICF roofs are worth it out here. Thank you so much for your videos and when I am ready for a pool kit I will def be giving you a call!
I'm planning to build my dream ICF home when I retire, although I often wonder if even a super tight and thermally efficient home like this can offset the high carbon intensity of manufacturing and delivering all that concrete. In any case, it's a great building method for long term durability and ultimate comfort.
@@logoschristianacademy6044 I love fiberglass rebar, but I wouldn't recommend putting it in a roof. Fiberglass creeps, steel does not. It is not a good product for pre-stress or the tension side of a beam. However, it certainly does have its place.
It would be fine, it’s just way more expensive and difficult to attach than simply doing tpo, we’ve done it on the shaw hollow project, I’ve got videos on it, but standing seam is more expensive than tpo and in most cases you need to fir out the roof first or take significant steps to attach it to the concrete:). So we do it but the reasons are usually architectural, if waterproof is only desire tpo makes way more sense:)
You don't need to. A concrete roof won't leak. The metal roof would be a complete waste of money. That concrete roof, if poured correctly is fire resistant for hours, earthquake resistant, pest resistant, hurricane and tornado resistant. You can park a car on that roof if it's done correctly.
What is the roof pitch on this? My current drawings have a 12-3 pitch on the roof because we were planning on doing standing seam, but now I'm pretty hot on ICF for the roof as well. In your opinion do you think 12-3 is too steep for concrete or should we reduce it a bit?
I would reduce it if it’s possible, 3/12 is asking a lot more of your concrete crew, meaning more guys more money and more chances of something going wrong, all that said 3/12 is possible just gonna be harder finding the labor!
32" in 40'. So like 0.8 in 12 or 6.67% slope. So far the water runs off it fine. Every day there are fewer drips as the Xypex reacts with the water. The whole roof is being watered down 5 times a day for over a week. Only one very small crack so far.
As tight as these houses are trying to solely use under counter vents Won’t work, because at some point the plumbing is going to need air it can’t get from inside a closed up envelope
@@all3pools Those vents only let air/gas in, not out. That's why you need an actual vent. Why it has to penetrate the roof vs going out a wall I don't know.
@@all3pools ... vent up through the roof? Is it required by code to penetrate the roof? Or could you also go through a wall? (from Germany, sorry for my ignorance. Here you can go through the wall if you want.)
Yes, I'm an engineer as well. Its going to sound like I'm being sarcastic but I love the thinking actually - "Xypex and crack control fibers" start with that and see if it leaks. If it leaks then TPO. I'm thinking about the same approach on a building. I like the way he thinks.
@@ghytd766 It leaked. I ended up rolling on a polyurethane roof myself (dilute epoxy sealer, two coats of aromatic polyurethane topped with one coat of Aliphatic polyurethane for UV resistance), because I didn't have to hire it out so it was cheaper, and because we want to be able to walk on it without harming the roofing. Since we installed the roofing, it hasn't leaked a bit!
I’m in electrical engineer and I know I didn’t know anything about architecture so I read some books, most importantly “a pattern language.“ Instead of having an ugly and partially unlivable giant rectangle, I have a house that is spread out naturally into the environment and only one room wide. I would recommend that you read the good books on architecture design meant for the people. This Home shown here is one of the worst homes possible for actually living in. It looks like a prison, no kidding, or a mental institution. This is tragic.
@@all3pools It depends on one's priorities and objectives. If I had the money, I would rather be independent from the grid, even if it may not strictly make economic sense.
@@all3pools got it. I'm building rental multifamily and trying to figure out it makes sense to go this route. we will usually do TJI with insulation batts, resilient channel and double layer drywall.
extremely interested in this build, & would love if Don would reach out! loads of similarities with my plans; simple rectangle, southern gain, calculated shade, fastfoot, fox block & window bucks, low-slope ICF roof. this is far larger, although i'm planning 4 separate dwelling designs (about 3,800sqft total), and 2 of them are 2-story. have some odd ideas/plans for semi-passive heating/cooling. i'm 3hrs from your plans in Angel Fire, Aaron... what's my chances of contracting with ya? lol
lol never know, Amish won’t go but Austin’s guys will! That said, 3 hrs which directions, I work with a great icf guy in Albuquerque who just started his first 2 pools, im going to be out there fairly soon!
@@all3pools ...i'm currently still in Phx renovating this house, but our land is on the other side of the Sandias that border the East of Abq. very open to referrals (i'll need formal engi plans/prints for Sandoval county too)!
@@logoschristianacademy6044 Hey, what an awesome build. Congrats. I am interested in doing something similarly designed as mentioned above by Ivan. Please do a follow up video with @cuttingedgehomes9251 at the next phase. Do you have any social medias where you are posting updates yourself? Would like to follow along. Also, could you share your ideas for your floorplan and maybe the dimensions of those massive windows and overall dimensions. Im guessing 40x150? But thanks and keep up the DIY it is pretty inspiring.
OK that’s a good idea for an ice-skating rink indoors, it doesn’t make any sense for a house. It’s impossible to have a cozy and comfortable house with rooms that big. It’s a fact, I’ve been in plenty of McMansions
I do not like the idea of an ICF roof, like most things I think when you take things topo far, that thing becomes more and more ridiculous. The weight, the cost, the time, the problems all outweigh any benefit of just doing a metal roof with good insulation. For just the cost you could probably do 5+ metal roofs over and ICF roof... that's like 200+ years of a roof and the ICF roof will weather very poorly compared to the walls due to water/ice.
I do not like the idea of a wood roof. The susceptibility to fire, rot, termites, mold outweigh any benefit of a lower cost to me. The Xypex in the concrete and the polyurethane roof I ended up installing should mitigate almost all of the effects of water/ice.
I just recently heard about these ICF roofs, and now I see what it’s all about. This is completely ridiculous. Let’s go back to the good old days. I was riding my bike through Switzerland, and noticed buildings that were very very old, same thing in England by the way and other places in the old world…… Roofs were made with slate. No underlayment, the only part of the roof other than framing is the slate. Carefully assembled it will not leak and it is so easily repairable. What in the hell are we doing here, layers and layers of cracking and fallible roof, and then having to put some kind of plastic epoxy coating over the top. Megastructure houses are a disaster. They won’t age well. This is so ridiculously stupid.
@@logoschristianacademy6044 How about a steel roof. Termites are a problem in the Philippines and I was visiting my friend there and I noticed that the good houses are built with steel truss roofs, light weight and very strong. Most of the houses had a pyramid style roof.
Excellent. This is why we go to your pool and concrete workshops. An invaluable community of really nice people.
We are building a great community! How’s your project coming?
THANK YOU! Fire, flood, and wind damage are not discussed enough when we use ICF. Home insurance is becoming outrageous in cost. This construction needs NO home insurance. We just need to get the mortgage banks and insurance companies to create special exceptions for ICF homes.
If I had built a rectangle house I'd be living in it already. Hindsight 20/20, lol.
Some dingle convinced himself that round ass architectural features were a great idea…. It will look killer when u get done! In 2031..;)
@@all3pools😂
@@BealyGood🤡
And you would be living in an ordinary, ugly house, possibly uglier than this one but I doubt it. Where is the human imagination!?
@@steveperreira5850 Good Point
I wish we had a floor plan view. I wish we had a better look at the foundation. I wish you would use Helix Steel in a new ICF pour.
Do you have any recommendations for an architect that does plans for houses built with ICF? I have a very simple rectangular house plan I made that I’d like to have full blueprints made with plumbing and electrical by someone that understand the engineering of those things with ICF
B and g drafting in Springfield mo, they have a website and can do meetings remotely through zoom
@ thanks so much!
I love my insul-deck roof
Please do quick video on the general process/workflow from the perspective of a GC or owner-GC from deciding if an ICF roof is right in your case. A updated cost breakdown would be interesting as well. I am based in Arizona so I am curious if ICF roofs are worth it out here. Thank you so much for your videos and when I am ready for a pool kit I will def be giving you a call!
yes they would be - better in the HEAT they build em in Hawaii all the time
Great video thanks
I'm planning to build my dream ICF home when I retire, although I often wonder if even a super tight and thermally efficient home like this can offset the high carbon intensity of manufacturing and delivering all that concrete. In any case, it's a great building method for long term durability and ultimate comfort.
Looks amazing!
on a project this size how come you aren't using fiberglass rebar
Great question. I was thinking the same thing.👍
The walls have fiberglass rebar but my engineer was nervous to use it in the roof.
@@logoschristianacademy6044
I love fiberglass rebar, but I wouldn't recommend putting it in a roof. Fiberglass creeps, steel does not. It is not a good product for pre-stress or the tension side of a beam. However, it certainly does have its place.
Hello
Awesome video
What waterproofing will you use, if any?
Thanks
Tpo on the roof
What are the spans? How many feet is the conc roof deck spanning unsupported?
@@franksfamily I don’t think this one is more than 30’ anywhere, we’ve spanned 36 before
@@all3pools Really? 30ft. How deep are the beams?
What is the sq ft cost and R value for a roof like this? With ICF walls AND roof the thermal mass and sound deadening must be off the charts.
I adore ice roof. Detest wood messy tresses and interior
Why don't people put a metal roof on top of the ICF roof to prevent leakage and water damage? Wouldn't that be a good safeguard?
It would be fine, it’s just way more expensive and difficult to attach than simply doing tpo, we’ve done it on the shaw hollow project, I’ve got videos on it, but standing seam is more expensive than tpo and in most cases you need to fir out the roof first or take significant steps to attach it to the concrete:). So we do it but the reasons are usually architectural, if waterproof is only desire tpo makes way more sense:)
You don't need to. A concrete roof won't leak. The metal roof would be a complete waste of money. That concrete roof, if poured correctly is fire resistant for hours, earthquake resistant, pest resistant, hurricane and tornado resistant. You can park a car on that roof if it's done correctly.
This kind of roof is just trendy idiocy.
@@sarahoceanhart8145Just wondering how fireproof all that oil based foam is. A minute or two of the fumes and you are dead.
Looks like the footings and walls were Monopoured!? How tall was the wall and footing pour?
Guessing 8’ above grade to 11 ish, done by the homeowner! He’s a big fan of your products, wonder why;)
@@all3pools Correct, from the finished floor it's about 8'4" on the low side, 11'0" on the high side. Monopoured.
Yep, monopoured. Low side is about 8'4" from finished floor, high side is about 11'0") from finished floor.
@@logoschristianacademy6044 Any chance you can shre your floor plan? I really like this simple elevation!
No safety perimeter rails required during the pour? And didn’t see any sleeves for plumbing vents? Other then that, this looks awesome!
Sleeves for plumbing vents are through the walls.
Fortunately, no one fell off the roof.
What is the roof pitch on this? My current drawings have a 12-3 pitch on the roof because we were planning on doing standing seam, but now I'm pretty hot on ICF for the roof as well. In your opinion do you think 12-3 is too steep for concrete or should we reduce it a bit?
I would reduce it if it’s possible, 3/12 is asking a lot more of your concrete crew, meaning more guys more money and more chances of something going wrong, all that said 3/12 is possible just gonna be harder finding the labor!
32" in 40'. So like 0.8 in 12 or 6.67% slope. So far the water runs off it fine. Every day there are fewer drips as the Xypex reacts with the water. The whole roof is being watered down 5 times a day for over a week. Only one very small crack so far.
Holy shit this is amazing.
What i don't like a bit is the penetration in the roof though.
Completely unnecessarily asking for trouble.
It’s required by code to have at least one plumbing vent penetrate the roof, plus a lot of hvac systems are required to vent up….
As tight as these houses are trying to solely use under counter vents Won’t work, because at some point the plumbing is going to need air it can’t get from inside a closed up envelope
@@all3pools Those vents only let air/gas in, not out. That's why you need an actual vent. Why it has to penetrate the roof vs going out a wall I don't know.
@@all3pools ... vent up through the roof? Is it required by code to penetrate the roof? Or could you also go through a wall? (from Germany, sorry for my ignorance. Here you can go through the wall if you want.)
Mechanical Engineers think alike. I'm an ME and building a passive solar ICF house too. 🤣
Yes, I'm an engineer as well. Its going to sound like I'm being sarcastic but I love the thinking actually - "Xypex and crack control fibers" start with that and see if it leaks. If it leaks then TPO.
I'm thinking about the same approach on a building. I like the way he thinks.
@@ghytd766 It leaked. I ended up rolling on a polyurethane roof myself (dilute epoxy sealer, two coats of aromatic polyurethane topped with one coat of Aliphatic polyurethane for UV resistance), because I didn't have to hire it out so it was cheaper, and because we want to be able to walk on it without harming the roofing. Since we installed the roofing, it hasn't leaked a bit!
I’m in electrical engineer and I know I didn’t know anything about architecture so I read some books, most importantly “a pattern language.“ Instead of having an ugly and partially unlivable giant rectangle, I have a house that is spread out naturally into the environment and only one room wide. I would recommend that you read the good books on architecture design meant for the people. This Home shown here is one of the worst homes possible for actually living in. It looks like a prison, no kidding, or a mental institution. This is tragic.
@@logoschristianacademy6044 why on gods green earth would anybody assemble a roof that they know it’s most likely going to leak. This is insane!!
Wowsers, what a house. You could put a ton of solar panels on that roof.
Ya the homeowner is pretty well versed on solar and local power policies and at the moment doesn’t think it pencils here
@@all3pools It depends on one's priorities and objectives. If I had the money, I would rather be independent from the grid, even if it may not strictly make economic sense.
how is this compared to TJI in terms of cost?
Considerably more, but no comparison in quality when going for net zero or passive home
@@all3pools got it. I'm building rental multifamily and trying to figure out it makes sense to go this route. we will usually do TJI with insulation batts, resilient channel and double layer drywall.
extremely interested in this build, & would love if Don would reach out! loads of similarities with my plans; simple rectangle, southern gain, calculated shade, fastfoot, fox block & window bucks, low-slope ICF roof. this is far larger, although i'm planning 4 separate dwelling designs (about 3,800sqft total), and 2 of them are 2-story. have some odd ideas/plans for semi-passive heating/cooling.
i'm 3hrs from your plans in Angel Fire, Aaron... what's my chances of contracting with ya? lol
lol never know, Amish won’t go but Austin’s guys will! That said, 3 hrs which directions, I work with a great icf guy in Albuquerque who just started his first 2 pools, im going to be out there fairly soon!
@@all3pools ...i'm currently still in Phx renovating this house, but our land is on the other side of the Sandias that border the East of Abq. very open to referrals (i'll need formal engi plans/prints for Sandoval county too)!
What do you want to know?
@@logoschristianacademy6044 Hey, what an awesome build. Congrats. I am interested in doing something similarly designed as mentioned above by Ivan. Please do a follow up video with @cuttingedgehomes9251 at the next phase. Do you have any social medias where you are posting updates yourself? Would like to follow along. Also, could you share your ideas for your floorplan and maybe the dimensions of those massive windows and overall dimensions. Im guessing 40x150? But thanks and keep up the DIY it is pretty inspiring.
Anyone doing a 6:12 slope with BuildDeck?
No reason u couldn’t just considerably more difficult
This is a big House with big roof without pillars
Yes
OK that’s a good idea for an ice-skating rink indoors, it doesn’t make any sense for a house. It’s impossible to have a cozy and comfortable house with rooms that big. It’s a fact, I’ve been in plenty of McMansions
I thought this was the garage
You did
I linked it during the vid but this is a different project
Really need you to build my house. Left you a message.
Call him lol
@@michaelbohn4743 i left him a message
Where did I leave the message?
@@all3pools on you mobile VM on Friday.
@@all3pools correction Wednesday on your mobile VM
I do not like the idea of an ICF roof, like most things I think when you take things topo far, that thing becomes more and more ridiculous. The weight, the cost, the time, the problems all outweigh any benefit of just doing a metal roof with good insulation. For just the cost you could probably do 5+ metal roofs over and ICF roof... that's like 200+ years of a roof and the ICF roof will weather very poorly compared to the walls due to water/ice.
I do not like the idea of a wood roof. The susceptibility to fire, rot, termites, mold outweigh any benefit of a lower cost to me. The Xypex in the concrete and the polyurethane roof I ended up installing should mitigate almost all of the effects of water/ice.
@logoschristianacademy6044 well I hope it works out for you, seems way to costly to me.
I just recently heard about these ICF roofs, and now I see what it’s all about. This is completely ridiculous.
Let’s go back to the good old days. I was riding my bike through Switzerland, and noticed buildings that were very very old, same thing in England by the way and other places in the old world……
Roofs were made with slate. No underlayment, the only part of the roof other than framing is the slate. Carefully assembled it will not leak and it is so easily repairable.
What in the hell are we doing here, layers and layers of cracking and fallible roof, and then having to put some kind of plastic epoxy coating over the top.
Megastructure houses are a disaster. They won’t age well. This is so ridiculously stupid.
@@logoschristianacademy6044 How about a steel roof. Termites are a problem in the Philippines and I was visiting my friend there and I noticed that the good houses are built with steel truss roofs, light weight and very strong. Most of the houses had a pyramid style roof.