And this totally made my mind up about these tractors.. the ls is built way beefier .. the rear end of the tym was tiny! But I will get mahindra or kioti... they don't make people run Def fluid= no regen..
I disagree with both points you make there. I felt the TYM is heavier built. It has more capacity and it has mechanical fuel injection instead of computer controlled. The Mahindra didn’t have a DPF filter as you mentioned, but it does have computer controlled fuel injection with a lot more wiring and a lot more unnecessary technology The TYM is mechanically fuel injected I got seat time in every single brand of Tractor in this class before making a decision When I ranked my top five tractors in this size range, I put TYM number one. Kioti was number four and LS didn’t make the list.
I had a LS, it was a good tractor. I sold it for a cab tractor. I went with TYM. Biggest difference for me is regen. I have almost 100 hours on my TYM 494 and never had a regen. With my LS XR4140 I would have had two regens already. I always run tractor at least 1800 to 2000 rpm unless bush hogging, then I'm higher. Both are comfortable tractors but from experience with both brands I prefer the TYM. TYM is a simple tractor, no computer to run it, it's mechanical.
Good video 👍🏻. I purchased the TYM T474 last year and have 200 hr on it so far and no regens yet. I chose the TYM for many reasons but one major one is that the TYM has a fully mechanical fuel system and engine with minimal electronics. So far, I love my TYM.
TYM is the cat ass no way I would pay $25k more on a JD. you can have 1 of each for the price of the JD. That green paint is not worth the extra $25k, and I used to drive JD tractors all the time, but TYM does it right, and the TYM looks awesome with the red rims 😊
My local dealer sells both tractor brands. He told me that it is easier to deal with LS than to deal with TYM. Real nice guy. I ended up buying a used Kioti that saved me about 10k. I enjoyed the video.
I sold parts at a dealer that sold and fixed both of these tractors. I can 100% confirm LS is much easier to deal with. Plus their parts diagrams are publicly accessible so you can lookup parts yourself if needed. TYM is a great machine but most of their parts have to ship from Korea which can take a long time.
Did the same things as you. I put LS and TYM side by side. I picked TYM T574. I have had it for about 6 months and 80 hours. I absolutely love it. I have no regrets at all. It does everything I want it to do. Simple design (mechanical diesel) and heavy built.
Watching these videos makes me glad I pulled the trigger on my Yanmar YT359 a couple years ago; that tractor was years ahead with its features. That's not to say anything bad about these tractors- but Yanmar got it right with its YT series....and seems to have done it earlier than a lot of comps.
Jake seems like the kind of sales person I like to work with. I bought my first tractor in July of 2021, and while I'm quite happy with the Kubota I bought, in retrospect I'm not so pleased with the dealership and salesperson. I'd also probably not buy Kubota again, not because I dislike anything about it, but because there are simply better values in something like the TYM or Kioti lines
We missed a few details about engine specs, warranty, and transmission options! See that info below: Both warranties are 6 year powertrain, 2 year “bumper to bumper” and 1 year on the loader. The TYM has a 55Hp turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel with mechanical injection pump (made by TYM - formerly Kukje). The LS is a 57HP NA 3 cylinder diesel with common rail direct injection (made by LS Mtron). The LS is rated for 2 more HP at the crank and they’re both claiming around 45hp to the PTO. Both tractors in the video, which we mentioned, have a 3 range hydrostatic transmission. They also both have mechanical synchronized shuttle shift transmissions as an option that are a little cheaper. The TYM shuttle is a 2 range with 4 gears within each range (8Fx8R) whereas the LS is a 4 range with 4 gears within each range (16Fx16R). Thanks for watching!
Brock, for my money, the 574 is the cream of the crop. I have been drooling over that tractor for four years. 5300 lbs of breakout force on the TYM loader also. No hate for the LS, I’m just much more familiar with the TYM. Also, the TYM is very unique for a machine that requires DPF. It is very old school mechanical diesel.
I have purchased two LS Tractors for my Company. I haven’t had any problems with them however I’m in the market for a Cab Tractor. The Tractors I would consider are LS, TYM, Kioti, Yanmar. My opinion is Deere and Kubota have priced themselves out of the market and their hydraulics are no where close to these Tractors however there are those that are loyal to Deere and Kubota that have deep pockets and I respect that. There are enough Tractors out there for everyone to be happy with. Also remember Brock and Tim (Tractor Time with Tim) have done more with a small Tractor, Deere 1025r and their 2 series than most of us do in a lifetime. 😂
I did tons of research on these 2. The TYM is just simpler. There are people with over 400 hours and have never had a regen. I am happy with my purchase
I have the LS MT347 cab it’s been a great tractor so far. I’ve had it 3 years. I’m not a fan of hydro being I grew up on gear driven tractors. So that’s what I went with. I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either of those tractors.
I bought 2 LS Tractors for my business I never had any problems with them. They are strong and reliable. Now I’m searching for a Cab Tractor. I’m open to TYM, LS, Kioti, and Yanmar. My opinion is Deere and Kubota have priced themselves out of the market and their hydraulic systems are no where close to the Tractors I mentioned.
HI Brock I bought a TYM 574 2 years ago have 278 hrs on it have yet to have a regen bought it because the engine is not compute controlled. have not had a single problem. Love my TYM
This is great information and you landed at a great dealership Brock! I have been there myself during my tractor shopping a year or so ago. I found it to be a good facility with a great inventory and helpful sales staff. They were able to answer every question I had at the time and loved that they had a BUNCH of Backhoe attachments for their tractors. Interesting video for sure! Hope to see you soon buddy..... hurry up and get one cause I wanna see it! Those two manufacturers have been on my radar for sure.
I bought a Kubota L3800 in 2013 and it has almost done everything i have asked it to do. The downside of that tractor is the loader lifting capacity of only 1,000 pounds at the pin, so by the time I put the bucket or forks on, it doesn't have a whole lot there. I had a neighbor who had a Mahindra 23 hp and he was able to lift about 500 pounds more than my tractor, i was amazed. If i buy another tractor it might be a Mahindra, but we will see. If i bought one today, it would be a Mahindra and for a 55 hp, the loader lift would be higher than both of these tractors.
I test drove a 3620 a month ago but am wondering if I should go up to a 4820. Are you satisfied with the power and performance of your 3620. I have some steep hills on my property and am concerned about power.
@@musicgroopie1 I am very satisfied with the power and performance. I have a steep hill also. I have hauled some logs up the hill on the loader that were seven feet long and about 1 1/2 feet in diameter. I had to put it in 4WD, but power wise the little beast didn't even know the log was there. I won't be pulling a plow or anything like that, just loader and grapple work and brush hog. Would buy again. On the other hand more power is never a bad thing.
I did this exact same comparison 3 weeks ago but at two different dealerships. LS compared to TYM. I compared series 3 to series 3 and series 2 to series 2 tractors. They are both excellent quality brands that offer great value. I felt the controls on LS interfered with my natural reach for the loader joystick and no such interference from the TYM models. I also felt the cabs on TYM were a little roomier and more comfortable. I also like the Kukje TYM engines as they are simpler and far less sensors on them that can go bad. I think you will be happy with whichever you choose but I'm planning on getting a TYM this spring. Looking forward to seeing which you choose and how it works out for you either way!
I bought the T474 in December. Love it so far. I shopped LS, TYM, Kioti and Kubota. I’ve always been a Kubota guy but the price, features and dealer pulled me away. My Kubota dealer is a great dealer too as was the LS.
The only “negative” with the auto-throttle is that it leads new operators to think that pushing down the hydrostat pedal further increases your power to the ground like a gas powered truck. To actually get max power to the ground you should throttle up to operating rpm then just barely pushing down the hydrostat pedal will provide the max torque. Tons of new operators complain that their tractor is underpowered and they have to be in 1st gear to driving up a hill without totally bogging down and nearly stalling the tractor. Reality is they could run it in second or higher with the manual throttle at 2500rpm and the pedal pushed about 1/4-1/3 of the way down. You have to think of a hydrostat as a continuously variable transmission where barely pushing it down is “low gear” and all the way down is “high gear”. Then understand that the “range selector” does exactly what it says, it sets the “range” that the CVT runs in. When you bog a manual transmission truck you would down shift and give more throttle. Same with a tractor but to downshift you back off the hydrostat pedal and to increase the throttle you have to use the manual lever. That’s a small book but it will hopefully help a couple new owners out.
Brock, I absolutely love my TYM T474 HST. The T574 is a monster worker too. Both the T474 and T574 have the exact same Cummins designed mechanical Diesel. No electronics. The T574 has the turbo and a few different cam settings and timing, but they are both bullet proof. Love my TYM.
I purchased a 2024 LS MT573 yesterday and having a 3rd function installed for grapple bucket. I purchased a Root Grapple bucket, 7ft Rotary tiller, 7ft Box Blade and a Stump Buster bucket. All for 65k. John Deere 5075E was 18k for just the tractor and the Kubota M4- 071 was nearly 22k more.I looked at a New Holland Power Master 75 and it was $66,600 .
This place is a great place to go neighbor. I have been there before and I found they had a good inventory and were very helpful when I looking a some time ago.
Hi Brock I sold my kubota m7960 last fall and bought a TYM cab t494 I have 110hrs on it now with no regen yet. I bought it with r14 tires and they are great in the snow and mud and are fairly easy on the lawn. The loader Is almost as powerful as the m7060 but is rather slow. I would love one of the pumps you put on your JD to speed it up a little. I have always had a geared tractor and the TYM is my first hydro and I love it with the linked throttle. I did notice that the arm rest in the Ls are adjustable which is a nice feature if you spend a lot of time in it.
I own an MT342 HST and below are the lift capacities. Loader info from the LL4106 manual. Hitch info from the tractor owners manual ---------- Lift capacity to maximum height-at pivot pin: 2651lbs Lift capacity to maximum height-500mm forward: 1643lbs Lift capacity to 1.5m(59in.) height-at pivot pin: 3043lbs Lift capacity to 1.5m(59in.) height-500mm forward: 2064lbs Breakout force-at pivot pin: 4039lbs Breakout force-800mm forward: 2545lbs Link capacity Lower link end: 2756lbs Link capacity 24" behind lift point: 2469lbs These specs are for all MT3's
I purchased a TYM HST T474 last year and am loving it. My dealer sold both brands and I am one that like simplicity so why not save the money when either will do the same job. AFA the auto throttle is concerned it is not an issue with the HST trans and honestly I find myself using the RPM.s raised for most work I am doing and the throttle lever is right there in front of me. I bought mine with a backhoe in a packaged deal. No regrets at all. I have a friend who sell MF tractors and I priced one and it was far more money than the TYM and the TYM was much heavier. Another bonus.
I have a jd 5075E Cab and it’s been a great machine but it was too big for some smaller chores. So based off of all the research I did I bought a TYM T474 and I’m damn glad I did. It’s been flawless and the Kukje engine is much quieter than the powertech but I do like them both. The loader on the T474 is impressive, it will pick up and stack large round bales with no issue. My neighbor has the T574 and I’ve ran it a few times and it’s a great machine!
I am surprised that TYM 'hasn't reached out to you for a tractor to use on your channel. I have a John Deere 2032 with no problems in over 1500 hrs but if i could do it again i would go to the TYM. The TYM could of done a better job on the backhoe seat mounting.
Awesome content taking a real close look at both these machines! The one thing that really stands out to me is that the 3 pt lift rating is 2755lbs AT THE PINS on the LS web site and they will not publish the 24” behind the pins on their spec sheets on their site. That’s a huge difference between the LS and the TYM. Please verify that number for all your viewers as y’all kinda left that as a big loose end which if accurate would totally sway a ton of people in the TYM direction. I will say that I do prefer the LS over the TYM for all the reasons that you stated because of the technology differences. To me the big test Is how well do the hydraulics work and are they super smooth… and will they perform two functions with the loader joy stick such a curl and lift etc. As I had indicated months ago I bought a Massey Ferguson 2860M cab/loader tractor and couldn’t be happier 120 hours later trouble free so far. I’m all in on my deal at $53K. After looking at both of these machines today with you the Massey control features and cab ergonomics of control locations appears to me to be far superior in placement and ease of access and operation. Additionally, the Massey I purchased has the AIR RIDE SEAT, rear wiper and rear glass wire defroster in the rear window. The Massey also allows you to exit the tractor without having to have the Parking Brake engaged which Is a huge deal to me for my use of this machine & it will start with out having to engage the parking brake…. Another big deal to me ✔️. I’m totally not meaning to sound like I plugging MF. Just indicating additional features and what I consider to be better ergonomics in the cab and operations. Other than the rear 3 pt lift capacity at the ends being a low number 2755lbs I would totally choose the LS Over the TYM unless one dealer is much better to deal with than the other. Good luck in your quest for the new larger cab tractor you will be happy it when you pull that trigger!! Really love this type content… 👍👍🔥🔥
I have been looking at upgrading to the TYM 574CTLB. I test drove one the other day. There are actually 2 screens covering radiator and condenser on the 574's and take note of the backhoe it sits very high which is good for ground clearance when loading or driving over very uneven terrain on the 574's. Many other manufacturers have very poor clearance with the sub frame. (Kioti ck series I looked and physically measured them) The LS's also look pretty low as well but did not measure myself. 10 inches measured to the pin on the rear frame mount pins on the 574 bh permanently mounted tractor frame which was the lowest point. As said on other posts I prefer simplicity for the long haul. (Regen) Note: the Kioti and TYM are a very similar bh design however the lower frame bars stick out past the rear tire substantially that was a deal breaker for me on Kioti. Great videos great info thanks!
Brock, if I were in your shoes I would seriously consider selling the skid steer and getting a mini excavator instead. Keep your John Deere tractor that you have. I use my mini ex way more often than I ever thought I would. I think you’d be surprised with how you can accomplish with a mini excavator as opposed to a skid steer
I run my sawmill operation with my LS MT357 HC... the exact tractor you are showing in this video. I just hit 350 hours on my tractor. I ran a Kioti DK40SE open station for the previous 10 years at the sawmill. Either of these will surely serve you well. I can't comment on the TYM, but I can give you some quick info on the LS. First, loader capacity. It is rated at 2,700 at the pins.. which is also exactly what my old DK40 was rated at as well. I have moved hundreds, if not thousands of logs and I have a good handle on what I can and can't move, weight wise. Both with my old Kioti and the LS, 2,700 at the pins translates to about 2000 lbs when moving logs around with forks or a grapple. So make sure you keep that in mind. You mentioned something about lifting 4,000 lbs a couple inches off the ground in the video. Never going to happen. You MIGHT get lucky and lift a 2,200 lb log a couple inches off the ground, but that would be absolute max. Also, for me, when I am using my tractor, I am usually pretty busy sawing up a job for someone.. in other words, time is money. If I had to stop for 30 minutes while my tractor did a regen, I would go insane. My tractor does a regen every 20 or so hours, and I don't even know it's happening. I just continue working. On the other hand, if the TYM only does a regen every 100 hours or so, maybe it is not a big deal. Pro's and cons with the LS. Pros... engine is extremely quiet and smooth as butter, with an amazing amount of power/torque. With beet juice in the rears, it will flat out pull a full grown oak tree (top and all) through the woods. Also the MT3 series comes standard with a Grammar seat. That is a 1,500.00 seat. They did not cut corners in the cab. The heat/air works awesome. The cab is air tight and quiet. The linked pedal is cool. The engine cruise control is cool. Cons... regen times vary quite a bit. Sometimes it will go 30 hours with no regen. Then sometimes it will regen twice in 10 hours. The tie rod ends.. watch them close, and MAKE SURE that the steering stops are set at the proper length for a loader.. otherwise they will hit the loader mounts when the axle pivots at full steer. A lot of dealerships fail to do this.. mine was not adjusted properly, luckily I caught it. Lastly, the PTO neutral lever in the cab that mechanically disengages the PTO so you can freely spin it, it will only work for about 20 hours if you are lucky, then it will get stuck in the engaged position. They all do this. My dealer is in contact with LS to find a potential fix, but right now LS is scratching their heads. Good luck in your choice, I LOVE mine!
Great video. I feel like if you haven't looked at MF and you have a dealer near by they are the real sweet spot between top end JD and the Korean brands. I think the 2855m or 2860M would be perfect for you, backhoes are a woods product I believe, and to my knowledge the three point arms stay on with backhoe and its the same hookup as the Kubota, two pins and its off. I had a MF 1740E and an 1835M cab and both were phenomenal machines with excellent fit and finish and zero problems with either over about 175 hours on each. Also no DPF on some of their larger machines.
All features shown are standard for your reference. I think we mentioned that but there is a lot of info in this video. I also posted a comment about warranty/engine/transmission options for each. Thanks for watching!
On the T575, you can adjust the position of the lever for the loader and bring it closer. You can get it so where your elbow is on the armrest while your hand is on the lever. I'm seriously considering going to a T574 from my 2038r. My neighbor has one. Also, the TYM engine is mechanically injected. Much simpler, better dpf as well and easy to service the dpf
What is the loader lift height for each? LS is an ehydro although the current model doesn't have adjustable features. There is testing on an updated MT3 which is going to share the updated looks of the MT2 plus other updates. If LS is a consideration I'd wait for the update. A 4066R cab and loader will be about $74k on the build your own page. That doesn't include backhoe or implement hydraulics that the other two offer. So I'd guess you would be over $80k with those additional items.
At one point in the LS MT357 you pointed to a switch on the left side of the dash and said something like "and here you have your wipers", and moved on. That rocker switch you were referring to is the control for the DEF burn. Rocking it one way is an inhibit, if there would be some reason the heat of the regen the computer is about to do would be a fire hazard. The opposite side allows you to call for the regen burn whenever you want. The wiper and squirter controls (F & R) are up on the right pillar with the work lights (F & R) and the engine speed control. One thing about the TYM you didn't cover is the key hole cover. Evidently if a storm is coming you can leave the doors and windows open, and still keep the key hole nice and dry by flipping the cover closed.
I struggled deciding between TYM and LS in the same 55 hp range. I think LS’s interior is more refined but I ended up buying TYM and really like it. My decision came down to simplicity and price.
I just purchased a LS MT573 from Diamond R Equipment in Freeburg Missoura. Im having them install the 3rd function for front implements. I purchased a 7ft Rotary tiller, 6ft Root Grapple, 7ft Box Blade and a Stump Buster bucket and added a Extended warranty that changed the 6 year factory warranty for 2 year's bumper to bumper and 4 years drive train for 65k. A New Holland Power Master 75 was $66,600 for tractor and loader only a Kubota M4-071 was nearly 22k more. This is my 1st tractor we bought a 85 acre Farm in Moniteau County Missoura and the staff wanted to know Everything I hoped to use the Tractor for so I showed them my property with my OnX hunting app ( highly recommended everyone have it) the seen the elevation parts of the property and Terranced parts. Every Farmer around me told me not to get anything below 65hp for what I'm doing. Diamond R Equipment carries McCormick,Mahindra, TYM and LS , the place is like Mayberry on the Andy Griffith show no pressure and answered every question I had a asked my questions I hadn't even considered. Anyway I hope I like the LS . Its gonna be delivered after Labor Day.
I did notice some differences between the two the ls has a much beefier rear axle and recessed hoses but the tym is red that's a major selling point😂 both awesome tractors thanks
Thanks for the review. I did about the same thing you've done here about a year ago. I found the John Deere about $17k more, and a Kubota about $18k more, and that was without a lot of the features on the TYM574HC (which I purchased in Nov, doing my 50 hr service on Saturday). I got the TYM with loaded tires, and a 3rd function valve. I've also installed a hydraulic top link. Those features your paying extra for on JD and K are armed seats, rear windshield wiper, lights front and back, mirrors, radio, and bucket level indicator (I think I got them all). I've had zero issues with my TYM574HC. We've got a 16 acre farm, cut fire wood for heat, and maintain a 1200' gravel driveway with it. I've also got a 72" tiller we use to plant some potatoes, Not working the tractor too hard, but can attest to it's lifting ability. We cut down a very large maple tree, and I put 4 logs into my dump trailer using the lift. The mill estimated I've got 1500 board feed of lumber. The tractor had no issues lifting those large logs over the side of the trailer and lowering them slowly to the bed. I used a grapple to move the logs.
TYM!! You'd look good in that Red tractor!! Love the video! No one seems to do apples to apples comparisons like you just did! Would love to see a 25HP comparison between TYM T264, TYM T25, LS 226HE etc
I know its a silly reason to like a tractor, but I think LS are the best looking tractors. I guess I like their color blue. I wouldn't chose a tractor based on color. I own a Yanmar and I don't particularly like red.
I wonder how each tractor brand measures up when it comes to RESALE value down the road .( Thats a very real component in a fair comparison ) My 3 series JD is worth more than I paid for it new in 2016 .
I've never operated a skid steer, but I do have a Deere 4520 tractor. One of the things you taught me is there is both a time and place for each machine type and each has its own set of advantages and disadvantages. I know you're looking for variety in your channel, but I'm shocked to hear you want to replace your smaller tractor and skid steer with a bigger tractor. I'm thoroughly confused. 😊
I'm changing my vote to LS over the NX Kioti after this. Their MT3 series is the export "New Holland Boomer" and the refinement shows in this video in the rear end details, the features and the cab placement of the hydraulic levers on the top of the shelf of the wheel arch and the other refinements. The upcoming Massey review is going to be quite interesting in comparison since that's another "mature platform" from Iseki that has a LOT of features built into the deluxe tractor.
The tractors the video have the same tire height but one is wider. Tractor tire size markings are completely different from car tire markings. 16.9-24 means 16.9 inches wide on a 24 inch tall rim. If there is no "R" before the last number, it's a bias tire. Metric labeling gives a bit more information. I'll use a 320/70R15 for example. 320 mm (12.5 in) wide The sidewall height is 70% of the tire width R to denote radial 15 inch tall rims Edit: that's not cruise control, it's probably engine speed lock so your PTO always keeps the same RPM
Not apples to apples but I run a tym 454 alot, love it been a good tractor, run a mt573 almost every day been a good tractor, just keep your battery contacts clean. Both shuttle. Ls has a nicer cab but is a bit newer. For the win I pick tym but I really use it more. Both are good machines.
The TYM's external 3PT handle looks like it is in a really nice position, where you can get to it without stepping into the area behind the rear tire and then between the tire and the attachment.... I thought that the standard measurement for 3PT lift capacity was @ 24" behind the pins, so that larger number was measured where other manufacturers are not testing and publishing #'s ( I could be wrong on that of course, but that is my understanding on it). The one feature my older tractor (made between '08-'12) does have is an auto throttle, really wish that was available, but all of these newer tractors have the controls on the right side WAY to far forward in the cab, basically eliminating the option to go in and out of the right side door, that would drive me crazy. I go in and out of the right side door as often as the left side, so 50/50, depending on why I need to get in and out and what is in the way (outside) of using one door or the other. And we are talking the same size machine, 49hp in my case (Kioti DK50SE). With the regen systems, I think the manufacturers should offer a display of the filter's status in percentage or even just a light that comes on when the system is getting to a point where it will need to regen soon, so you can have the option to manually start a regen when it is more convenient for you, like if you are going to do some brush hogging, or some other more intensive task where you have the rpm's up anyways and you are going to be using the tractor like that for long enough to complete the regen. That way you don't come to the end of what you are doing and all of a sudden the tractor decides that it NOW needs to do a regen...... Seems like that would eliminate a bunch of the reasons people do't like them, regen's, though many still won't like them just because! My tractor never had any of those "systems", so it isn't a problem for me, just think that would make one of the big complains about the regen's timing better. And if one of these tractors will only do a regen when it is parked, that would be a tractor to leave on the dealers lot, just saying. Both are nice looking tractor's, for the most part. Anyways, have a good one!!👍
Props to Jake. The man seems to know his product, and isn't pushing you one way or the other to boost his commission. Maybe Jake needs to start a channel to teach other tractor salesmen.....
Will you also be looking at the Kioti tractors? I will be making a purchase around the end of summer and it is the front runner so far for features and cost.
The fact that the TYM is a mechanical engine is enough for me to go with a TYM. Plus I have a TYM dealer just 4 miles from my house. The next closest dealer to me is 22 miles and that's a jd dealership. I would drive 500 miles to buy something besides jd!
Very true. Also, I don’t know what to say really about those things. I mean they put out similar horsepower from well established engine manufactures. The Internet is a big place in 2024 and you don’t see a lot of people complaining about problems I’ve had. Especially with the TYM.
Both warranties are 6 year powertrain, 2 year “bumper to bumper” and 1 year on the loader. The TYM has a 55Hp turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel with mechanical injection pump (made by TYM - formerly Kukje). The LS is a 57HP NA 3 cylinder diesel with common rail direct injection (made by LS Mtron). The LS is rated for 2 more HP at the crank and they’re both claiming around 45hp to the PTO. Both tractors in the video, which we mentioned, have a 3 range hydrostatic transmission. They also both have mechanical synchronized shuttle shift transmissions as an option that are a little cheaper. The TYM shuttle is a 2 range with 4 gears within each range (8Fx8R) whereas the LS is a 4 range with 4 gears within each range (16Fx16R). Thanks for the feedback hopefully this helps you and other viewers!
@@RockhillfarmYT Personally, I think that shade of blue on the LS is weird, I'm fairly certain it would never grow on me no matter how good the tractor was. The camo one is fine, but I would probably go for the TYM.
@@dustdevl1043 I don’t love the blue either. I like red. I would’ve never said I would care about Tractor color but for whatever reason I guess I do. I don’t like the orange tractors. I don’t mean the quality of the orange tractors I mean I don’t like the fact that they are orange When I’m giving my Kubota friends a hard time I call it orange “man pink”
Brock, can the TYM or LS do a lift and curl function similar to the Kubotas? We’ve owned 4 Kubotas and 2 Kiotis and the Kiotis were pretty annoying that they could only do one loader function especially when we were doing a lot of gravel and dirt work.
Tell me about the loader hydraulic hose attachment location. This one and the one you have on loan have the connections vertically and up higher. Others have them lower and pointing out with the hoses hanging out farther. Is this a dealer modification or has TYM changed to this better design.
TYM has plastic hood vs metal hood on LS. Look closely at them both; LS is much more refined, better finish & fitment overall. Transmission range and gear shifting are much better and smoother on the LS Tractors.
After doing my years of research and demos, if I were to buy Korean made equipment, It would be hands down a Kioti, by quite a long shot. But I went the Japan route, Yanmar YT series.
Yanmar and kioti brands that I am seriously considering owning Here’s kind of where I’m at with the two tractors shown in this video. These are 35 and $39,000 machines. The John Deere equivalent is 60. That’s $25,000 difference I had a video recently where I said, the Yanmar yt 347 or YT 359 would be the perfect machine for me. The problem is those machines are over 50,000. I think the coyote is in between. $25,000 is a dealbreaker for John Deere and 15 is really pushing it Most brands also have a premium and an economy model, which is a factored as well
@@RockhillfarmYT I’ve bled green my whole life, and heavily considered a 66R, but couldn’t justify and refused to fork over that kind of cash. Thats when I ventured to other manufacture lots quickly learned I could get more for less. They yanmar is priced between all the others and for what you get, i found it to be well worth the cost. The IHMT is what sold me.
@Bluegroove47 that Transmission is what got me so interested as well. Someone can ask the question: why did you leave the John Deere Answer: I didn’t leave them, they left me with their pricing
so I have a question. I have a kubota mx4800. it is open meaning no cab. lift capacity on the loader is something like 2250 lbs. the regen works while i am working which I like. I have been clearing my 4 1/2 acre hobby farm of big trees and stuff. when I say big trees, I am talking 36" diameter burr oak. Heavier than my tractor can pick up. I currently do not have a backhoe for mine but would love one. Not sure my subframe is set up to support one right now as it stands. I have universal attachments I was wondering if these companies accept universal attachments or are they like john deere and you have to buy their attachments to get them to work? Are they a high flow hydraulic system? Mine is not high flow. How many gpm flow are they? I added a 3rd function to my system so that I can run a grapple on the front of the loader. I like the idea of having a cab since I am in the north. Call me wanting to be spoiled in my older age. What kind of financing options do you have for those brands? I.E. I didn't come across any money trees in all the ones I have taken out. Just my luck. I did add beet juice to my tires to give it a little more oomph and balancing weight.
We have been selling more 574 models than 5520 simply because the price is the same and the 574 wins in most categories aside from the 5520 has a 4 range trans
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And this totally made my mind up about these tractors.. the ls is built way beefier .. the rear end of the tym was tiny! But I will get mahindra or kioti... they don't make people run Def fluid= no regen..
I disagree with both points you make there. I felt the TYM is heavier built. It has more capacity and it has mechanical fuel injection instead of computer controlled.
The Mahindra didn’t have a DPF filter as you mentioned, but it does have computer controlled fuel injection with a lot more wiring and a lot more unnecessary technology
The TYM is mechanically fuel injected
I got seat time in every single brand of Tractor in this class before making a decision
When I ranked my top five tractors in this size range, I put TYM number one. Kioti was number four and LS didn’t make the list.
I had a LS, it was a good tractor. I sold it for a cab tractor. I went with TYM. Biggest difference for me is regen. I have almost 100 hours on my TYM 494 and never had a regen. With my LS XR4140 I would have had two regens already. I always run tractor at least 1800 to 2000 rpm unless bush hogging, then I'm higher. Both are comfortable tractors but from experience with both brands I prefer the TYM. TYM is a simple tractor, no computer to run it, it's mechanical.
Good video 👍🏻. I purchased the TYM T474 last year and have 200 hr on it so far and no regens yet. I chose the TYM for many reasons but one major one is that the TYM has a fully mechanical fuel system and engine with minimal electronics. So far, I love my TYM.
This is actually the model I decided to get for my use. T474C, I think it has the capability to do anything that I will need it to.
TYM is the cat ass no way I would pay $25k more on a JD. you can have 1 of each for the price of the JD. That green paint is not worth the extra $25k, and I used to drive JD tractors all the time, but TYM does it right, and the TYM looks awesome with the red rims 😊
My local dealer sells both tractor brands. He told me that it is easier to deal with LS than to deal with TYM. Real nice guy. I ended up buying a used Kioti that saved me about 10k. I enjoyed the video.
That's what I've heard too. I like the TYM tractors, but knowing that is kind of a deterrent
I sold parts at a dealer that sold and fixed both of these tractors. I can 100% confirm LS is much easier to deal with. Plus their parts diagrams are publicly accessible so you can lookup parts yourself if needed. TYM is a great machine but most of their parts have to ship from Korea which can take a long time.
Jake appears to be the kind of tractor salesman most people would like to do business with.
Did the same things as you. I put LS and TYM side by side. I picked TYM T574. I have had it for about 6 months and 80 hours. I absolutely love it. I have no regrets at all. It does everything I want it to do. Simple design (mechanical diesel) and heavy built.
Watching these videos makes me glad I pulled the trigger on my Yanmar YT359 a couple years ago; that tractor was years ahead with its features. That's not to say anything bad about these tractors- but Yanmar got it right with its YT series....and seems to have done it earlier than a lot of comps.
I just did a video on the YT 347. Great machine
All those options except for auto throttle have been on TYM’s for about 15 years.
I really liked that LS!
Jake seems like the kind of sales person I like to work with. I bought my first tractor in July of 2021, and while I'm quite happy with the Kubota I bought, in retrospect I'm not so pleased with the dealership and salesperson. I'd also probably not buy Kubota again, not because I dislike anything about it, but because there are simply better values in something like the TYM or Kioti lines
Appreciate that! We try to be real… and real easy to deal with. Thanks for watching!
I bought a t474 last spring, love it. Got 200 hrs. No regine yet.
We missed a few details about engine specs, warranty, and transmission options! See that info below:
Both warranties are 6 year powertrain, 2 year “bumper to bumper” and 1 year on the loader.
The TYM has a 55Hp turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel with mechanical injection pump (made by TYM - formerly Kukje). The LS is a 57HP NA 3 cylinder diesel with common rail direct injection (made by LS Mtron). The LS is rated for 2 more HP at the crank and they’re both claiming around 45hp to the PTO.
Both tractors in the video, which we mentioned, have a 3 range hydrostatic transmission. They also both have mechanical synchronized shuttle shift transmissions as an option that are a little cheaper. The TYM shuttle is a 2 range with 4 gears within each range (8Fx8R) whereas the LS is a 4 range with 4 gears within each range (16Fx16R).
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for adding this information in!
The LS is non turbo 3 cylinder putting out 57hp?
We have a 474CH. Bought from the Smiths Enterprise in Salemburg NC. Totally satisfied
Brock, for my money, the 574 is the cream of the crop. I have been drooling over that tractor for four years. 5300 lbs of breakout force on the TYM loader also. No hate for the LS, I’m just much more familiar with the TYM. Also, the TYM is very unique for a machine that requires DPF. It is very old school mechanical diesel.
buy it bro
Wow great job Brock and Jake!!!
Thanks
I'm going back and forth between TYM 574 and a Kioti (not sure which yet)... really hard to pass up that 574 though, nice comparison!
I have purchased two LS Tractors for my Company. I haven’t had any problems with them however I’m in the market for a Cab Tractor. The Tractors I would consider are LS, TYM, Kioti, Yanmar. My opinion is Deere and Kubota have priced themselves out of the market and their hydraulics are no where close to these Tractors however there are those that are loyal to Deere and Kubota that have deep pockets and I respect that. There are enough Tractors out there for everyone to be happy with. Also remember Brock and Tim (Tractor Time with Tim) have done more with a small Tractor, Deere 1025r and their 2 series than most of us do in a lifetime. 😂
Brock, fantastic video. I would pick either one of those tractors over the John Deere.
I did tons of research on these 2. The TYM is just simpler.
There are people with over 400 hours and have never had a regen.
I am happy with my purchase
Brock thanks for doing a Ls vs Tym there are no videos on them they are both great machines it is just very nice seeing a review
I absolutely love my Tym T454 cab w/BY85 backhoe!
I have the LS MT347 cab it’s been a great tractor so far. I’ve had it 3 years. I’m not a fan of hydro being I grew up on gear driven tractors. So that’s what I went with. I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either of those tractors.
I went from green to blue and have had 2 blue ones, no regrets. My next one will probably be blue as well.
I bought 2 LS Tractors for my business I never had any problems with them. They are strong and reliable. Now I’m searching for a Cab Tractor. I’m open to TYM, LS, Kioti, and Yanmar. My opinion is Deere and Kubota have priced themselves out of the market and their hydraulic systems are no where close to the Tractors I mentioned.
HI Brock I bought a TYM 574 2 years ago have 278 hrs on it have yet to have a regen bought it because the engine is not compute controlled. have not had a single problem. Love my TYM
I bought the mt357 my buddy bought the TYM , my dealer is 20 minutes away and my buddies dealer is 400 miles away.
This is great information and you landed at a great dealership Brock! I have been there myself during my tractor shopping a year or so ago. I found it to be a good facility with a great inventory and helpful sales staff. They were able to answer every question I had at the time and loved that they had a BUNCH of Backhoe attachments for their tractors.
Interesting video for sure! Hope to see you soon buddy..... hurry up and get one cause I wanna see it! Those two manufacturers have been on my radar for sure.
I bought a Kubota L3800 in 2013 and it has almost done everything i have asked it to do. The downside of that tractor is the loader lifting capacity of only 1,000 pounds at the pin, so by the time I put the bucket or forks on, it doesn't have a whole lot there.
I had a neighbor who had a Mahindra 23 hp and he was able to lift about 500 pounds more than my tractor, i was amazed.
If i buy another tractor it might be a Mahindra, but we will see. If i bought one today, it would be a Mahindra and for a 55 hp, the loader lift would be higher than both of these tractors.
I bought a TYM 3620 from the tractor yard about a month ago. Go experience, great tractor.
I test drove a 3620 a month ago but am wondering if I should go up to a 4820. Are you satisfied with the power and performance of your 3620. I have some steep hills on my property and am concerned about power.
@@musicgroopie1 I am very satisfied with the power and performance. I have a steep hill also.
I have hauled some logs up the hill on the loader that were seven feet long and about 1 1/2 feet in diameter. I had to put it in 4WD, but power wise the little beast didn't even know the log was there. I won't be pulling a plow or anything like that, just loader and grapple work and brush hog. Would buy again.
On the other hand more power is never a bad thing.
I did this exact same comparison 3 weeks ago but at two different dealerships. LS compared to TYM. I compared series 3 to series 3 and series 2 to series 2 tractors. They are both excellent quality brands that offer great value. I felt the controls on LS interfered with my natural reach for the loader joystick and no such interference from the TYM models. I also felt the cabs on TYM were a little roomier and more comfortable. I also like the Kukje TYM engines as they are simpler and far less sensors on them that can go bad. I think you will be happy with whichever you choose but I'm planning on getting a TYM this spring. Looking forward to seeing which you choose and how it works out for you either way!
I bought the T474 in December. Love it so far. I shopped LS, TYM, Kioti and Kubota. I’ve always been a Kubota guy but the price, features and dealer pulled me away. My Kubota dealer is a great dealer too as was the LS.
Go down the road to S&H and look at the Kioti's. I've had two and both have been great.
+1 on that.
The only “negative” with the auto-throttle is that it leads new operators to think that pushing down the hydrostat pedal further increases your power to the ground like a gas powered truck. To actually get max power to the ground you should throttle up to operating rpm then just barely pushing down the hydrostat pedal will provide the max torque.
Tons of new operators complain that their tractor is underpowered and they have to be in 1st gear to driving up a hill without totally bogging down and nearly stalling the tractor. Reality is they could run it in second or higher with the manual throttle at 2500rpm and the pedal pushed about 1/4-1/3 of the way down.
You have to think of a hydrostat as a continuously variable transmission where barely pushing it down is “low gear” and all the way down is “high gear”. Then understand that the “range selector” does exactly what it says, it sets the “range” that the CVT runs in. When you bog a manual transmission truck you would down shift and give more throttle. Same with a tractor but to downshift you back off the hydrostat pedal and to increase the throttle you have to use the manual lever.
That’s a small book but it will hopefully help a couple new owners out.
Thanks
This is a good tip that I gas to learn when I got my tractor
You missed the engines. I think thats a huge difference in considering those models.
Brock, I absolutely love my TYM T474 HST. The T574 is a monster worker too. Both the T474 and T574 have the exact same Cummins designed mechanical Diesel. No electronics. The T574 has the turbo and a few different cam settings and timing, but they are both bullet proof. Love my TYM.
Thanks for sharing
@@RockhillfarmYT You're welcome sir.
@@RockhillfarmYT Oh and my T474 has over 130 hours and no regen.
I used to pick up Septic Tank supplies right near you guys. I originally came down there because you were the only Bad Boy Tractor Dealer at the time.
I purchased a 2024 LS MT573 yesterday and having a 3rd function installed for grapple bucket. I purchased a Root Grapple bucket, 7ft Rotary tiller, 7ft Box Blade and a Stump Buster bucket. All for 65k. John Deere 5075E was 18k for just the tractor and the Kubota M4- 071 was nearly 22k more.I looked at a New Holland Power Master 75 and it was $66,600 .
Brock, great video. Those are 2 tractor brands I'm going to be looking at in a few weeks. I'll probably end up at the tractor yard
This place is a great place to go neighbor. I have been there before and I found they had a good inventory and were very helpful when I looking a some time ago.
Hi Brock I sold my kubota m7960 last fall and bought a TYM cab t494 I have 110hrs on it now with no regen yet. I bought it with r14 tires and they are great in the snow and mud and are fairly easy on the lawn. The loader Is almost as powerful as the m7060 but is rather slow. I would love one of the pumps you put on your JD to speed it up a little. I have always had a geared tractor and the TYM is my first hydro and I love it with the linked throttle. I did notice that the arm rest in the Ls are adjustable which is a nice feature if you spend a lot of time in it.
I own an MT342 HST and below are the lift capacities.
Loader info from the LL4106 manual. Hitch info from the tractor owners manual
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Lift capacity to maximum height-at pivot pin: 2651lbs
Lift capacity to maximum height-500mm forward: 1643lbs
Lift capacity to 1.5m(59in.) height-at pivot pin: 3043lbs
Lift capacity to 1.5m(59in.) height-500mm forward: 2064lbs
Breakout force-at pivot pin: 4039lbs
Breakout force-800mm forward: 2545lbs
Link capacity Lower link end: 2756lbs
Link capacity 24" behind lift point: 2469lbs
These specs are for all MT3's
I purchased a TYM HST T474 last year and am loving it. My dealer sold both brands and I am one that like simplicity so why not save the money when either will do the same job. AFA the auto throttle is concerned it is not an issue with the HST trans and honestly I find myself using the RPM.s raised for most work I am doing and the throttle lever is right there in front of me. I bought mine with a backhoe in a packaged deal. No regrets at all. I have a friend who sell MF tractors and I priced one and it was far more money than the TYM and the TYM was much heavier. Another bonus.
Thanks for sharing
I have a jd 5075E Cab and it’s been a great machine but it was too big for some smaller chores. So based off of all the research I did I bought a TYM T474 and I’m damn glad I did. It’s been flawless and the Kukje engine is much quieter than the powertech but I do like them both. The loader on the T474 is impressive, it will pick up and stack large round bales with no issue. My neighbor has the T574 and I’ve ran it a few times and it’s a great machine!
I am surprised that TYM 'hasn't reached out to you for a tractor to use on your channel. I have a John Deere 2032 with no problems in over 1500 hrs but if i could do it again i would go to the TYM. The TYM could of done a better job on the backhoe seat mounting.
Loving my MT468 I bought from Jake!
Heck yeah!! Glad you’re loving it. Really like that model. Thanks for watching and interacting!
Great comparison! I paid $58,500 last year for a 2023 4044R cab, loader and 3rd function. A lot more money but I like John Deere,
If green paint is worth 25k, you have a lot more money than the rest of us 😂
@@garrettaman Yep I probably do! In fact I have an open station 4044R also! So I got way more money than you!
We can all spend our money however, we want. I like John Deere but I do have a hard time with that price difference
4066 R built in Augusta Ga. Best cab, dealer network, resale period, no comparison here really.
However you have to justify it.
My dad has a LS and I would lean hard toward the TYM
Also I was thinking a few months ago if bought a new tractor today it would probably be a TYM
Awesome content taking a real close look at both these machines! The one thing that really stands out to me is that the 3 pt lift rating is 2755lbs AT THE PINS on the LS web site and they will not publish the 24” behind the pins on their spec sheets on their site. That’s a huge difference between the LS and the TYM. Please verify that number for all your viewers as y’all kinda left that as a big loose end which if accurate would totally sway a ton of people in the TYM direction. I will say that I do prefer the LS over the TYM for all the reasons that you stated because of the technology differences. To me the big test Is how well do the hydraulics work and are they super smooth… and will they perform two functions with the loader joy stick such a curl and lift etc.
As I had indicated months ago I bought a Massey Ferguson 2860M cab/loader tractor and couldn’t be happier 120 hours later trouble free so far. I’m all in on my deal at $53K. After looking at both of these machines today with you the Massey control features and cab ergonomics of control locations appears to me to be far superior in placement and ease of access and operation. Additionally, the Massey I purchased has the AIR RIDE SEAT, rear wiper and rear glass wire defroster in the rear window. The Massey also allows you to exit the tractor without having to have the Parking Brake engaged which Is a huge deal to me for my use of this machine & it will start with out having to engage the parking brake…. Another big deal to me ✔️. I’m totally not meaning to sound like I plugging MF. Just indicating additional features and what I consider to be better ergonomics in the cab and operations.
Other than the rear 3 pt lift capacity at the ends being a low number 2755lbs I would totally choose the LS Over the TYM unless one dealer is much better to deal with than the other. Good luck in your quest for the new larger cab tractor you will be happy it when you pull that trigger!! Really love this type content… 👍👍🔥🔥
I have been looking at upgrading to the TYM 574CTLB. I test drove one the other day. There are actually 2 screens covering radiator and condenser on the 574's and take note of the backhoe it sits very high which is good for ground clearance when loading or driving over very uneven terrain on the 574's. Many other manufacturers have very poor clearance with the sub frame. (Kioti ck series I looked and physically measured them) The LS's also look pretty low as well but did not measure myself. 10 inches measured to the pin on the rear frame mount pins on the 574 bh permanently mounted tractor frame which was the lowest point. As said on other posts I prefer simplicity for the long haul. (Regen)
Note: the Kioti and TYM are a very similar bh design however the lower frame bars stick out past the rear tire substantially that was a deal breaker for me on Kioti. Great videos great info thanks!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it
Brock, if I were in your shoes I would seriously consider selling the skid steer and getting a mini excavator instead. Keep your John Deere tractor that you have.
I use my mini ex way more often than I ever thought I would.
I think you’d be surprised with how you can accomplish with a mini excavator as opposed to a skid steer
I run my sawmill operation with my LS MT357 HC... the exact tractor you are showing in this video. I just hit 350 hours on my tractor. I ran a Kioti DK40SE open station for the previous 10 years at the sawmill. Either of these will surely serve you well. I can't comment on the TYM, but I can give you some quick info on the LS. First, loader capacity. It is rated at 2,700 at the pins.. which is also exactly what my old DK40 was rated at as well. I have moved hundreds, if not thousands of logs and I have a good handle on what I can and can't move, weight wise. Both with my old Kioti and the LS, 2,700 at the pins translates to about 2000 lbs when moving logs around with forks or a grapple. So make sure you keep that in mind. You mentioned something about lifting 4,000 lbs a couple inches off the ground in the video. Never going to happen. You MIGHT get lucky and lift a 2,200 lb log a couple inches off the ground, but that would be absolute max. Also, for me, when I am using my tractor, I am usually pretty busy sawing up a job for someone.. in other words, time is money. If I had to stop for 30 minutes while my tractor did a regen, I would go insane. My tractor does a regen every 20 or so hours, and I don't even know it's happening. I just continue working. On the other hand, if the TYM only does a regen every 100 hours or so, maybe it is not a big deal. Pro's and cons with the LS. Pros... engine is extremely quiet and smooth as butter, with an amazing amount of power/torque. With beet juice in the rears, it will flat out pull a full grown oak tree (top and all) through the woods. Also the MT3 series comes standard with a Grammar seat. That is a 1,500.00 seat. They did not cut corners in the cab. The heat/air works awesome. The cab is air tight and quiet. The linked pedal is cool. The engine cruise control is cool. Cons... regen times vary quite a bit. Sometimes it will go 30 hours with no regen. Then sometimes it will regen twice in 10 hours. The tie rod ends.. watch them close, and MAKE SURE that the steering stops are set at the proper length for a loader.. otherwise they will hit the loader mounts when the axle pivots at full steer. A lot of dealerships fail to do this.. mine was not adjusted properly, luckily I caught it. Lastly, the PTO neutral lever in the cab that mechanically disengages the PTO so you can freely spin it, it will only work for about 20 hours if you are lucky, then it will get stuck in the engaged position. They all do this. My dealer is in contact with LS to find a potential fix, but right now LS is scratching their heads. Good luck in your choice, I LOVE mine!
Thanks for sharing
Great video. I feel like if you haven't looked at MF and you have a dealer near by they are the real sweet spot between top end JD and the Korean brands. I think the 2855m or 2860M would be perfect for you, backhoes are a woods product I believe, and to my knowledge the three point arms stay on with backhoe and its the same hookup as the Kubota, two pins and its off. I had a MF 1740E and an 1835M cab and both were phenomenal machines with excellent fit and finish and zero problems with either over about 175 hours on each. Also no DPF on some of their larger machines.
Thanks for the feedback.
It would have been interesting if you had listed what was standerd on the tractors and what was available as an options on the tractors
All features shown are standard for your reference. I think we mentioned that but there is a lot of info in this video. I also posted a comment about warranty/engine/transmission options for each. Thanks for watching!
Both look like very nice tractors. I hope you get to get one of them dirty!
On the T575, you can adjust the position of the lever for the loader and bring it closer. You can get it so where your elbow is on the armrest while your hand is on the lever.
I'm seriously considering going to a T574 from my 2038r.
My neighbor has one.
Also, the TYM engine is mechanically injected. Much simpler, better dpf as well and easy to service the dpf
I’m close to doing the same
Thanks for sharing
What is the loader lift height for each?
LS is an ehydro although the current model doesn't have adjustable features. There is testing on an updated MT3 which is going to share the updated looks of the MT2 plus other updates. If LS is a consideration I'd wait for the update.
A 4066R cab and loader will be about $74k on the build your own page. That doesn't include backhoe or implement hydraulics that the other two offer. So I'd guess you would be over $80k with those additional items.
At one point in the LS MT357 you pointed to a switch on the left side of the dash and said something like "and here you have your wipers", and moved on. That rocker switch you were referring to is the control for the DEF burn. Rocking it one way is an inhibit, if there would be some reason the heat of the regen the computer is about to do would be a fire hazard. The opposite side allows you to call for the regen burn whenever you want.
The wiper and squirter controls (F & R) are up on the right pillar with the work lights (F & R) and the engine speed control.
One thing about the TYM you didn't cover is the key hole cover. Evidently if a storm is coming you can leave the doors and windows open, and still keep the key hole nice and dry by flipping the cover closed.
Thank you for sharing that information
If I get one of these, I probably won’t try that trick with
I struggled deciding between TYM and LS in the same 55 hp range. I think LS’s interior is more refined but I ended up buying TYM and really like it. My decision came down to simplicity and price.
Thanks for sharing
great video...I believe the only thing you didn't touch on is what motors do they have and warranty.👍
You’re right! I just posted a comment with that info if you’re interested. Thanks!!
I just purchased a LS MT573 from Diamond R Equipment in Freeburg Missoura. Im having them install the 3rd function for front implements. I purchased a 7ft Rotary tiller, 6ft Root Grapple, 7ft Box Blade and a Stump Buster bucket and added a Extended warranty that changed the 6 year factory warranty for 2 year's bumper to bumper and 4 years drive train for 65k. A New Holland Power Master 75 was $66,600 for tractor and loader only a Kubota M4-071 was nearly 22k more. This is my 1st tractor we bought a 85 acre Farm in Moniteau County Missoura and the staff wanted to know Everything I hoped to use the Tractor for so I showed them my property with my OnX hunting app ( highly recommended everyone have it) the seen the elevation parts of the property and Terranced parts. Every Farmer around me told me not to get anything below 65hp for what I'm doing. Diamond R Equipment carries McCormick,Mahindra, TYM and LS , the place is like Mayberry on the Andy Griffith show no pressure and answered every question I had a asked my questions I hadn't even considered. Anyway I hope I like the LS . Its gonna be delivered after Labor Day.
I did notice some differences between the two the ls has a much beefier rear axle and recessed hoses but the tym is red that's a major selling point😂 both awesome tractors thanks
I have an all steel tractor that is simple. It’s a 1952 Ford 8N.
I bought a BELARUS, all steel, and even the electric fuses are repairable
Thanks for the review. I did about the same thing you've done here about a year ago. I found the John Deere about $17k more, and a Kubota about $18k more, and that was without a lot of the features on the TYM574HC (which I purchased in Nov, doing my 50 hr service on Saturday). I got the TYM with loaded tires, and a 3rd function valve. I've also installed a hydraulic top link. Those features your paying extra for on JD and K are armed seats, rear windshield wiper, lights front and back, mirrors, radio, and bucket level indicator (I think I got them all). I've had zero issues with my TYM574HC. We've got a 16 acre farm, cut fire wood for heat, and maintain a 1200' gravel driveway with it. I've also got a 72" tiller we use to plant some potatoes, Not working the tractor too hard, but can attest to it's lifting ability. We cut down a very large maple tree, and I put 4 logs into my dump trailer using the lift. The mill estimated I've got 1500 board feed of lumber. The tractor had no issues lifting those large logs over the side of the trailer and lowering them slowly to the bed. I used a grapple to move the logs.
TYM!! You'd look good in that Red tractor!!
Love the video! No one seems to do apples to apples comparisons like you just did!
Would love to see a 25HP comparison between TYM T264, TYM T25, LS 226HE etc
I know its a silly reason to like a tractor, but I think LS are the best looking tractors. I guess I like their color blue. I wouldn't chose a tractor based on color. I own a Yanmar and I don't particularly like red.
I wonder how each tractor brand measures up when it comes to RESALE value down the road .( Thats a very real component in a fair comparison ) My 3 series JD is worth more than I paid for it new in 2016 .
I've never operated a skid steer, but I do have a Deere 4520 tractor. One of the things you taught me is there is both a time and place for each machine type and each has its own set of advantages and disadvantages. I know you're looking for variety in your channel, but I'm shocked to hear you want to replace your smaller tractor and skid steer with a bigger tractor. I'm thoroughly confused. 😊
Thank you sent here by DOSS farms ...
If you have a dealer in your area, you should check the Kubota Grand L series.
I own one and it's great.
The fact that the time is a mechanical engine is enough for me to go with tym! And we have a time
I'm changing my vote to LS over the NX Kioti after this. Their MT3 series is the export "New Holland Boomer" and the refinement shows in this video in the rear end details, the features and the cab placement of the hydraulic levers on the top of the shelf of the wheel arch and the other refinements. The upcoming Massey review is going to be quite interesting in comparison since that's another "mature platform" from Iseki that has a LOT of features built into the deluxe tractor.
Watched you on Doss Farms. He sent me over. Will certainly watch your videos. Looked at some older ones. Hooked up.
The tractors the video have the same tire height but one is wider.
Tractor tire size markings are completely different from car tire markings. 16.9-24 means 16.9 inches wide on a 24 inch tall rim. If there is no "R" before the last number, it's a bias tire.
Metric labeling gives a bit more information. I'll use a 320/70R15 for example.
320 mm (12.5 in) wide
The sidewall height is 70% of the tire width
R to denote radial
15 inch tall rims
Edit: that's not cruise control, it's probably engine speed lock so your PTO always keeps the same RPM
That’s what I was assuming the numbers meant on the tractor tires, but it seemed pretty clear that the TM tires were taller
Not apples to apples but I run a tym 454 alot, love it been a good tractor, run a mt573 almost every day been a good tractor, just keep your battery contacts clean. Both shuttle. Ls has a nicer cab but is a bit newer. For the win I pick tym but I really use it more. Both are good machines.
8:19 that’s a brace for the loader, not a backhoe subframe. The backhoe has its own, separate subframe.
Pretty sure I said that. I guess I could have misspoke and not noticed it
Came for the comments! Waiting for the, "Pfft, you need to get a JD 5125R and stop messing around with toys."
Pfft, you need to get a Kubota M6060 and stop messing around with toys.
The TYM's external 3PT handle looks like it is in a really nice position, where you can get to it without stepping into the area behind the rear tire and then between the tire and the attachment.... I thought that the standard measurement for 3PT lift capacity was @ 24" behind the pins, so that larger number was measured where other manufacturers are not testing and publishing #'s ( I could be wrong on that of course, but that is my understanding on it). The one feature my older tractor (made between '08-'12) does have is an auto throttle, really wish that was available, but all of these newer tractors have the controls on the right side WAY to far forward in the cab, basically eliminating the option to go in and out of the right side door, that would drive me crazy. I go in and out of the right side door as often as the left side, so 50/50, depending on why I need to get in and out and what is in the way (outside) of using one door or the other. And we are talking the same size machine, 49hp in my case (Kioti DK50SE).
With the regen systems, I think the manufacturers should offer a display of the filter's status in percentage or even just a light that comes on when the system is getting to a point where it will need to regen soon, so you can have the option to manually start a regen when it is more convenient for you, like if you are going to do some brush hogging, or some other more intensive task where you have the rpm's up anyways and you are going to be using the tractor like that for long enough to complete the regen. That way you don't come to the end of what you are doing and all of a sudden the tractor decides that it NOW needs to do a regen...... Seems like that would eliminate a bunch of the reasons people do't like them, regen's, though many still won't like them just because! My tractor never had any of those "systems", so it isn't a problem for me, just think that would make one of the big complains about the regen's timing better. And if one of these tractors will only do a regen when it is parked, that would be a tractor to leave on the dealers lot, just saying. Both are nice looking tractor's, for the most part. Anyways, have a good one!!👍
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. On my John Deere I can toggle the filter buildup percentage on the screen.
Props to Jake. The man seems to know his product, and isn't pushing you one way or the other to boost his commission. Maybe Jake needs to start a channel to teach other tractor salesmen.....
Will you also be looking at the Kioti tractors? I will be making a purchase around the end of summer and it is the front runner so far for features and cost.
I have looked at them quite a bit. I got to run 3 or 4 of them at different locations.
Nice machines. I’m probably not getting one though
I really would like you to give Massey Ferguson a look
JD is absolutely nuts! TOO MUCH MONEY for what you get for sure.
The fact that the TYM is a mechanical engine is enough for me to go with a TYM. Plus I have a TYM dealer just 4 miles from my house. The next closest dealer to me is 22 miles and that's a jd dealership. I would drive 500 miles to buy something besides jd!
Too many electronics on the LS TYM have some also and more than I would like to see. The TYM has a nicer cab light set up
The lift capacities and various control functions are important, but the engines, transmissions and warranties would probably be my focus.
Very true. Also, I don’t know what to say really about those things. I mean they put out similar horsepower from well established engine manufactures.
The Internet is a big place in 2024 and you don’t see a lot of people complaining about problems I’ve had. Especially with the TYM.
Both warranties are 6 year powertrain, 2 year “bumper to bumper” and 1 year on the loader.
The TYM has a 55Hp turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel with mechanical injection pump (made by TYM - formerly Kukje). The LS is a 57HP NA 3 cylinder diesel with common rail direct injection (made by LS Mtron). The LS is rated for 2 more HP at the crank and they’re both claiming around 45hp to the PTO.
Both tractors in the video, which we mentioned, have a 3 range hydrostatic transmission. They also both have mechanical synchronized shuttle shift transmissions as an option that are a little cheaper. The TYM shuttle is a 2 range with 4 gears within each range (8Fx8R) whereas the LS is a 4 range with 4 gears within each range (16Fx16R).
Thanks for the feedback hopefully this helps you and other viewers!
@@RockhillfarmYT Personally, I think that shade of blue on the LS is weird, I'm fairly certain it would never grow on me no matter how good the tractor was. The camo one is fine, but I would probably go for the TYM.
@@TheTractorYard Thank you sir!
@@dustdevl1043 I don’t love the blue either. I like red.
I would’ve never said I would care about Tractor color but for whatever reason I guess I do. I don’t like the orange tractors.
I don’t mean the quality of the orange tractors I mean I don’t like the fact that they are orange
When I’m giving my Kubota friends a hard time I call it orange “man pink”
Words of experience
No tractor can replace a skid steer. Skids go where no tractor should
Brock, can the TYM or LS do a lift and curl function similar to the Kubotas? We’ve owned 4 Kubotas and 2 Kiotis and the Kiotis were pretty annoying that they could only do one loader function especially when we were doing a lot of gravel and dirt work.
That’s a good question and I didn’t think to check
Tell me about the loader hydraulic hose attachment location. This one and the one you have on loan have the connections vertically and up higher. Others have them lower and pointing out with the hoses hanging out farther. Is this a dealer modification or has TYM changed to this better design.
The TYM looks like the better machine.
I’d have to go with the LS like the cab way better
Can the LS use wheel weights? Not avaliable for my 474
TYM has plastic hood vs metal hood on LS. Look closely at them both; LS is much more refined, better finish & fitment overall. Transmission range and gear shifting are much better and smoother on the LS Tractors.
After doing my years of research and demos, if I were to buy Korean made equipment, It would be hands down a Kioti, by quite a long shot. But I went the Japan route, Yanmar YT series.
Yanmar and kioti brands that I am seriously considering owning
Here’s kind of where I’m at with the two tractors shown in this video. These are 35 and $39,000 machines.
The John Deere equivalent is 60. That’s $25,000 difference
I had a video recently where I said, the Yanmar yt 347 or YT 359 would be the perfect machine for me. The problem is those machines are over 50,000. I think the coyote is in between.
$25,000 is a dealbreaker for John Deere and 15 is really pushing it
Most brands also have a premium and an economy model, which is a factored as well
@@RockhillfarmYT I’ve bled green my whole life, and heavily considered a 66R, but couldn’t justify and refused to fork over that kind of cash. Thats when I ventured to other manufacture lots quickly learned I could get more for less.
They yanmar is priced between all the others and for what you get, i found it to be well worth the cost. The IHMT is what sold me.
@Bluegroove47 that Transmission is what got me so interested as well.
Someone can ask the question: why did you leave the John Deere
Answer: I didn’t leave them, they left me with their pricing
I would like to see the Bad Boy line up put to the test. Specially the 4035
What is the lever next to the right rear fender on the TYM?
Interesting Brock ty 😊 🏆👴🐕🚜🦌🤠👍😎
so I have a question. I have a kubota mx4800. it is open meaning no cab. lift capacity on the loader is something like 2250 lbs. the regen works while i am working which I like. I have been clearing my 4 1/2 acre hobby farm of big trees and stuff. when I say big trees, I am talking 36" diameter burr oak. Heavier than my tractor can pick up. I currently do not have a backhoe for mine but would love one. Not sure my subframe is set up to support one right now as it stands. I have universal attachments I was wondering if these companies accept universal attachments or are they like john deere and you have to buy their attachments to get them to work? Are they a high flow hydraulic system? Mine is not high flow. How many gpm flow are they? I added a 3rd function to my system so that I can run a grapple on the front of the loader. I like the idea of having a cab since I am in the north. Call me wanting to be spoiled in my older age. What kind of financing options do you have for those brands? I.E. I didn't come across any money trees in all the ones I have taken out. Just my luck. I did add beet juice to my tires to give it a little more oomph and balancing weight.
Wish you could have had a tym 5520 in your comparison as well.
Is that what you have? I don’t really know that Model. Is it older or still for sale.
The next larger tractor he had was a 5835.
I have the 5520 and can still get them. They’re the Branson design that is equivalent to the 574…. Same engine
We have been selling more 574 models than 5520 simply because the price is the same and the 574 wins in most categories aside from the 5520 has a 4 range trans
Welcome and Howdie from Doss farms
Briggs & Stratton here
Tym 474 great power, not enough butt to keep it planted. Go with the 574
Got to have at least 2 tractors
If I were you I would go up to a 75 horsepower great video
Then he would have a DEF system to mess with. No need for 75hp unless you are actually farming ground.
That’s why my skid steer is 74 hp.