@@vanfanel4535 kaya nga e may pa english english pang nalalaman,yung grammar nya parang trinanslate lng sa google HAHAHAHAHAJ,pero sge lng appreciate ko namn e
this actually makes sense than foldable phones. You can't multitask there, this is a better choice than foldable ones if multitasking is your thing. Good job, LG. We'll miss your phones 😢
Loyal LG user here from G3, G4, G6, V20 and V40. Very underrated si LG phones talaga. The best ang quad dac feature ni LG for audio enthusiasts. Hope bumalik pa rin sila sa smarphone industry. 😢
They offer the best of the best before they leave. That's how you should make an exit! Love you po ate Mary, continue lang po sa vlog nyo, nakakainspire mag aral ng mabuti hahahahah
I was waiting for this.. When I viewed it to your ig story I thought it's google pixel coz of the wallpaper.. Napaka lit ng design.. For me bet ko yung design.. Not just because it's unique pero ako yung tao na madalas mag multi task sa phone.so for me parang anga ganda nung design niya sa mga nagmumultitask..
I miss the time when Samsung, LG, HTC and Sony were the leading phone brands and they were up against iPhone and Blackberry phones. Good old days! 🥰 Last phone ko from LG was LG V20. It's sad that they're bidding goodbye in the mobile industry. LG is the most innovative smartphone brand as well as Sony. Just look at this LG Wing! Walang ganyan sa ibang brand. Ang ganda ng experience ko with LG especially with the last phone from them na LG V20 back in 2016 before I switched to Xiaomi. I will miss you LG! You are exiting the smartphone arena proving you are the most innovative brand there is. Till then. 💔😭🙏
Ba't sinama mo ang Samsung na sila naman ang No.1 leading smartphone brand in the world This Generation Most of their phones are always best That's why their Flagship phone are High class quality and expensive
Then may Windows Mobile din. Sa batch namin dati sa Medicine, ako lang naka-Windows Phone eh. Kaya hindi ako mahatak nun maglaro ng Mobile Legends(wala kasi ML ang Windows App store). Kailangan lang talaga mag-switch sa Android nung nawala yung Lumia ko nun. Then wala na mabilhan. So lipat sa Huawei. Cloudphone ginamit ko nun nung nawala yung Huawei ko. It was a time na proponent ako ng 'tangkilikin ang sariling atin'. Sayang din si Cloudphone actually. Considering na sa experience ko, sila talaga yung maayos gumawa ng phone compared sa Cherry Mobile kaso hindi na din nasundan.
GoodBye LG😭♥️ Sa pagkakaalala ko LG ata ang una kong nakita nun na touchscreen na cellphone Nung mga panahon na sasabihan ka ng big time/mayaman pag naka touchscreen na cp mo
Anganda nito for those travelling while working, vloggers (using phone lang hehe) and doing online classes (given you don't have the capacity to use a laptop/PC/tablet).
@@ma.donalynlarosa2031 as far as i know po. Hindi nila ilalabas dito sa pinas si LG Wing., wala pong definite na details pa si LG about sa mobile communications ee. 😭 Maski po LG VELVET wala po sa pinas.
Goodbye LG Mobile :( I have been using my G5 ever since 2016 until today. Though I switched to iPhone since 2020 and my G5 is still up and kicking as my secondary phone.
I'll try hard to work in the future talaga in the future para makabili ng LG Wing. I had now the LG K10 and LG V30. ❤ Salamat LG sa mga memories, sa inyong pagiging risk takers for making the first capacitive screen which is the Prada. Sa first phone na nagkaroon ng dual camera and telephoto lens. LG, the living legend. Thank you. 😇 Nakakalungkot pero huminto man kayo sa paggawa ng smartphones pero yung iniwan ninyong impact/innovation sa smartphone realm ay mananatili. 😇
Sayang.. My LG G3 was one of the best phones I had. Ang ganda ng screen display, camera, maganda ang brash aluminum back, maganda sound quality.. Thanks for all the good memories LG..
This phone can deliver some clever and useful software experiences by virtue of its weird design and gimbal-equipped camera. Unfortunately, our LG Wing review finds that the phone's high price and relatively poor performance, photo quality and battery life keep it from ascending to our list of the best phones
Hi ate mary . I love your videos. But i have notice the blur part of your video . You need to adjust your depth of field to F5.6 CAMERA SETTINGS .para d magblur un mga part na need sa video para buong part ng body mo is mafocus. At konting tweaks lng sa edit . More videos to come.GODBLESS PAUL
I had an old model of LG back then and it was more useful than most budget phones nowadays! It's camera is even comparable to my sister's old iphone 5, which is still a better camera than some budget phones, the functionality of it and it's specs is one of the best I had! Plus it's kinda water resistant but not really, i mean nilublob ko sya sa water for like a second or two and only the speakers are affected but after like a day or two it was back to normal. And now I miss LG phones 😭
Aww I missed this tech talk with mary 🥺 and ang masasabi ko lang is ang angas talaga lg wing 😲 Imagine if apple will also do something like this, yun siguro yung best of the best haha paalam lg mobile
kaya parin yan ng mga cp na bago now..kaya nga ng cp ko mag split screen mode ..kahit mag video call pa sa taas ang cp ko habang nag youtube sa baba or mag note..may potential yong lg sana ..pero lugi kasi cla ..kasi mahilig sila mag explore ng phone ..madami na clang nilabas na feature ng phone kaya nadadali cla ng iba hindi papatok .kaya nalulugi cla
@@princeaj2076 naisip ko rin yan pero mas comfortable kasi kung mas malaki yung screen eh sa split screen view naman ang liit na nung screen, sayang lang talaga wala nang lg mobile
That's the problem of LG, they produce Quality over Quantity. unlike Phone companies today, kada week or month labas ng bagong phone na hindi optimized, puro bugs. lalo na sa Redmi 9 series.
@@rjn1749 Marketing problems din. Na label pa na most underrated phones yung mga LG phones kasi hindi rin masyado na market. Bilis din magdepreciate yung value ng phones kaya ang liit ng kita nila.
LG is my 2nd smartphone purchase upgrade (the 1st was HTC, which was a disappointment) since my departure from Nokia. Naka G3 and G4 din before I went back to Samsung. Happy memories.
lg v20 is the first phone with Quad DAC audio ... also is the last phone with removable battery.... and it the only phone has the remote infrared learning feature...
Yes ate marry Wala na smartphone ng LG stop production😥 mag concentrate sila sa appliances tinalo kasi sila ng samsung at china phone. Oatronize ko din product nila led tv at tun Lg xboom tower type speaker d best.🔊
voila!..saktong sakto pagkaka search ko dito, kasi i just saw it sa fb market too, and maybe i might consider it or just wait for iphone se plus version..ang hirap naman mag upgrade, daming options lol..pls make a full review about lg wing..sa ml po ba ok din siya?..sana yung map dun sa 3inches na screen nakalagay kagaya sa asphalt😁..
Nice review po Ate Mary sa LG smartphone, dahil isa pa ako sa nakagamit ng smartphone ng LG, Ang na gandahan ako sa smartphone ng LG is yung camera talaga smooth yung kuha at sa lahat malinaw yung detalye ng picture ng camera kita talaga yung ibang detalye kapag zinoom mo yung picture, most of all magaganda yung camera ni LG at ni Sony kahit hindi sila yung fully color na nakikita natin sa camera ng ibang smartphone, parang natural color lang ang kuha nila pero sharp at fully detail yung kuha nila LG at ni Sony sa pagkuha ng picture kaya ayun ang nagustuhan ko sa kanila dalawa. Sana po ma review rin nyo po yung Smartphone ng Sony po ate Mary
Mary! I really like that design! and I can multi-task with only one phone. I wish I could buy that someday. hahayyyyy. my dream phone. Super clear ng explanations mo,. it urges me more to have it. hayyy
Yeah! Nanunuod ako habang ng lalaway not because of foods but because of cellphone(tama ba ang english🤣🤣) na pinapakita ni ate mary. Like🤤🤤🥰 sana may ganyan ako😭😭🙏🙏🙏
Ms. Mary thank you for the review i love LG phone since nong una pa. Kaya hanapnk lg tlga po. Pa reply nmn po kung saan ako pwd bumili kasi yan tlga fav ko. Yung lg g4 ko mg 6 years na buhay padin.
Sana ate mag throwback review rin po kau, ng mga old flagship ni LG, 2018-19 LG G7, LG G8, LG V40, LG V50 & compare it sa mga new mid range phone. ...avail. po 'yan sa lazada..(old LG fones)
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@@noone-re6bx u
i'm sad that LG Mobile leaving the smartphone scene. the old phone of my grandma was lg and it's still convenient until now.
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tagalog na lang boss. wag na ipilit mag English
@@vanfanel4535 kaya nga e may pa english english pang nalalaman,yung grammar nya parang trinanslate lng sa google HAHAHAHAHAJ,pero sge lng appreciate ko namn e
Ang perfectionists nyo
Wala naman mali kung mag english yung tao parang sinasabi niyo wala tayong karapatan mag english?
this actually makes sense than foldable phones. You can't multitask there, this is a better choice than foldable ones if multitasking is your thing. Good job, LG. We'll miss your phones 😢
that phone is a keeper because of the camera specs and how unique it is :)
FINALLY! from tiktok to youtube unboxing ❤️ salamat ate mary!
Wdym?
Loyal LG user here from G3, G4, G6, V20 and V40. Very underrated si LG phones talaga. The best ang quad dac feature ni LG for audio enthusiasts. Hope bumalik pa rin sila sa smarphone industry. 😢
sana nga e
Sad walang quad dac feature ang lg wing.. Pero enjoy ko naman ang premium earfone nya..
@@giankarlo5119 yun ang gamit mo sir?
@@studentteacher-marcalexgru5922 yes sir..
@@giankarlo5119 saan po kayo bumili? Before kasing makita ko yung review ni ate Mary, nakita ko na yung phone kay Marques Brownlee
This is the phone that SUPERM used in one of their music video... ❤️📱❤️
Yes yung hawak ni Taemin sa dulo para sa hint ng aespa
FINALLY!!!!! Mag rereview na siya sa LG Wing
Ate mary can you unbox & review some sony phones especially experia 1ii, experia 1iii and of course the one and only sony experia pro🥰
They offer the best of the best before they leave. That's how you should make an exit! Love you po ate Mary, continue lang po sa vlog nyo, nakakainspire mag aral ng mabuti hahahahah
Atleast LG made its last hurrah on the mobile scene with LG Wing ☺️
I was waiting for this.. When I viewed it to your ig story I thought it's google pixel coz of the wallpaper.. Napaka lit ng design.. For me bet ko yung design.. Not just because it's unique pero ako yung tao na madalas mag multi task sa phone.so for me parang anga ganda nung design niya sa mga nagmumultitask..
Sadly this is the last unboxing video from LG mobile :(( i appreciate that ate mary actually bought the LG wing just to reminisce about LG🙌✨
Meron po ba sa mga mall nito?
I miss the time when Samsung, LG, HTC and Sony were the leading phone brands and they were up against iPhone and Blackberry phones. Good old days! 🥰 Last phone ko from LG was LG V20. It's sad that they're bidding goodbye in the mobile industry. LG is the most innovative smartphone brand as well as Sony. Just look at this LG Wing! Walang ganyan sa ibang brand. Ang ganda ng experience ko with LG especially with the last phone from them na LG V20 back in 2016 before I switched to Xiaomi. I will miss you LG! You are exiting the smartphone arena proving you are the most innovative brand there is. Till then. 💔😭🙏
Ba't sinama mo ang Samsung
na sila naman ang No.1 leading smartphone brand in the world
This Generation
Most of their phones are always best That's why their Flagship phone are
High class quality and expensive
Then may Windows Mobile din. Sa batch namin dati sa Medicine, ako lang naka-Windows Phone eh. Kaya hindi ako mahatak nun maglaro ng Mobile Legends(wala kasi ML ang Windows App store). Kailangan lang talaga mag-switch sa Android nung nawala yung Lumia ko nun. Then wala na mabilhan. So lipat sa Huawei.
Cloudphone ginamit ko nun nung nawala yung Huawei ko. It was a time na proponent ako ng 'tangkilikin ang sariling atin'. Sayang din si Cloudphone actually. Considering na sa experience ko, sila talaga yung maayos gumawa ng phone compared sa Cherry Mobile kaso hindi na din nasundan.
I think I need to say this. Paganda ng paganda yung editings ni ate Mary sa mga videos niya❤❤❤
PoG
You are really cool why? ,Cause you are good at filming and you are always there if i search a thing
Goodbye LG Mobile😢 we will miss you
GoodBye LG😭♥️
Sa pagkakaalala ko LG ata ang una kong nakita nun na touchscreen na cellphone
Nung mga panahon na sasabihan ka ng big time/mayaman pag naka touchscreen na cp mo
@@invaderlum8600 IPHONE ang ung touch screen
@@user-hy4vs5fd6f blackberry with keypad' itouch lang sa iphone
@@user-hy4vs5fd6f iPhone wasn't the first one with the touch screen, only the first one with "multitouch"
@@user-hy4vs5fd6f hahaha... sana nag Google ka muna bago ka nagcomment.
Ate mary, ba't parang ang ganda mo sa set up na yan? Super kinis and blooming.
10:15 Watched how Asphalt 9 was being played using the LG Wing last October from Marques Brownlee. :)
Grabeee for me as a masscomm student yung gimbal mode sa vid GRABEE NAKAKAINLOVEE SANA ALLL!!!!!!!😭😭😭
I like the way she talks, clear and easy to understand.
Ito na yung hinihintay ko na ma unbox ni ate Mary
Anganda nito for those travelling while working, vloggers (using phone lang hehe) and doing online classes (given you don't have the capacity to use a laptop/PC/tablet).
Kahapon ko pa to inaabangan since you unboxed it on your Tiktok.
Hi ms Mary LG wing ang nagpahanga na naman sakin 😍i love this phone ❤️❤️
I work at LG... Maganda ang LG WING nagagamit ko sya sa office. pero hindi na sila magrerelease ng phone... 😭😭😭 Sad life.
Ask ko lng po if may stock pa?
@@ma.donalynlarosa2031 as far as i know po. Hindi nila ilalabas dito sa pinas si LG Wing., wala pong definite na details pa si LG about sa mobile communications ee. 😭 Maski po LG VELVET wala po sa pinas.
Goodbye LG Mobile :( I have been using my G5 ever since 2016 until today. Though I switched to iPhone since 2020 and my G5 is still up and kicking as my secondary phone.
That was featured on SuperM's MV
Ask lang ate mary ano bang pinag kaiba ng oled and amoled display??? O parehas lang namab sila??? Curious is me hahahaha❤️❤️❤️
Hoping you'll review LG Velvet too! ❤️
One of the awesome brand of mobile phone especially the LG wing.
This might be the last LG Mobile Device we will see from Ate Mary…
First Phone kopa nmn is from LG i still have it but its Broken.
Goods den talaga tumambay sa youtube, first time ko to, super aga!!
INCREDIBLE SMARTPHONE ❤
Libreng nood ng unboxing may natutunan pa ko!👍
Bale lipat lahat ng oppa sa SAMSUNG? ganern ba yun?!😁😁😊
Tagal kong nirequest to.. Hahahha.. 💚 💚.. Nagreact pa si ate mary noon sa comment ko sa fb...
Akin na lang yan Mam Mary 😅✌️
Salamat...
More Blessings 👍💯
This phone is 🔥🔥🔥, thank you ate Mary for reviewing this,
Kahit di ako bumibili HAHAH
Ate Mary baka mag transform naman bigla yan 😂 thank you sa pag introduce samin sarap sa mata hehe
from IG to tikton and now in YT 😍 mary bautista parin sa 2021 😊
Miss mary mag 2m kana hehehe congrats!
Give aways naman dyan!
It is truly sad that LG is dropping from the phone industry, after all the phones that they released.
I'll try hard to work in the future talaga in the future para makabili ng LG Wing. I had now the LG K10 and LG V30. ❤ Salamat LG sa mga memories, sa inyong pagiging risk takers for making the first capacitive screen which is the Prada. Sa first phone na nagkaroon ng dual camera and telephoto lens.
LG, the living legend. Thank you. 😇 Nakakalungkot pero huminto man kayo sa paggawa ng smartphones pero yung iniwan ninyong impact/innovation sa smartphone realm ay mananatili. 😇
I miss the line "panundot" by ate marry😳🙆
Hahahaha
Sayang.. My LG G3 was one of the best phones I had. Ang ganda ng screen display, camera, maganda ang brash aluminum back, maganda sound quality.. Thanks for all the good memories LG..
This phone can deliver some clever and useful software experiences by virtue of its weird design and gimbal-equipped camera. Unfortunately, our LG Wing review finds that the phone's high price and relatively poor performance, photo quality and battery life keep it from ascending to our list of the best phones
Hi ate mary . I love your videos. But i have notice the blur part of your video . You need to adjust your depth of field to F5.6 CAMERA SETTINGS .para d magblur un mga part na need sa video para buong part ng body mo is mafocus. At konting tweaks lng sa edit . More videos to come.GODBLESS
PAUL
Sad to lose an innovative player in the smartphone industry. 😔
Om meron na, super late nga lan. Choi Bomin of Golden Child is the endorser niyan sa korea.
yassss
OMG BEEN WAITING FOR THIS REVIEW!!!!! LG WING!!!
ayan sa wakas nag unbox din ng lg phone si ms. mary
Got my LG wing from may tita galing korea ang angas nya kakalungkot lng dahil last phone na ng LG
I had an old model of LG back then and it was more useful than most budget phones nowadays!
It's camera is even comparable to my sister's old iphone 5, which is still a better camera than some budget phones, the functionality of it and it's specs is one of the best I had! Plus it's kinda water resistant but not really, i mean nilublob ko sya sa water for like a second or two and only the speakers are affected but after like a day or two it was back to normal. And now I miss LG phones 😭
Akala ko yung nirereview mong phone Ate Mary is Samsung based on your story on IG lol. LG pala, ang ganda omfg
Wow! Thanks for reviewing this phone!
Matthew 19:26 "All things are possible with God"
Aww I missed this tech talk with mary 🥺 and ang masasabi ko lang is ang angas talaga lg wing 😲 Imagine if apple will also do something like this, yun siguro yung best of the best haha paalam lg mobile
Ganda mag online class dyan ate mary😅while listening to the teacher you can take a note😅❤️
kaya parin yan ng mga cp na bago now..kaya nga ng cp ko mag split screen mode ..kahit mag video call pa sa taas ang cp ko habang nag youtube sa baba or mag note..may potential yong lg sana ..pero lugi kasi cla ..kasi mahilig sila mag explore ng phone ..madami na clang nilabas na feature ng phone kaya nadadali cla ng iba hindi papatok .kaya nalulugi cla
@@princeaj2076 naisip ko rin yan pero mas comfortable kasi kung mas malaki yung screen eh sa split screen view naman ang liit na nung screen, sayang lang talaga wala nang lg mobile
Hello po 😍 ang aga ko😍 lakas talaga makabudol ni ate mary haha pag sya nag tech talk nakakaenganyo.
Goods for Genshin Impact!😍
Actually maganda sya pang vlogging maam mary... Pwede mo gamitin ng sabay yung front and back sya.. specially pag nag live stream ka.
Sana gawan niyo po rin ng video kung bakit nawala ang mga local smarphone brands natin, like skk mobile etc.
simple lang, walang bumibili.
Ang ganda at unique, wala po ba silang goodbye pamimigay hehe
never though of the actual price of this device with it's unique features, akala ko nasa 30k-40k ang price nya
that's nice wow as long as no one comes out it's already arrogant and shot out ate mery 💯
inabangan ko talaga ito nung nakita ko sa tiktok ni Ate Mary 😍😍
RIP LG 💔
ang gandaaaa sana my full review ng camera nyan.. with sample vids if mgnda sya for vlog
LG mobile you will be missed😭 hayst sayang ganda pa naman nila gumawa ng phones.
That's the problem of LG, they produce Quality over Quantity.
unlike Phone companies today,
kada week or month labas ng bagong phone na hindi optimized, puro bugs. lalo na sa Redmi 9 series.
@@rjn1749 Marketing problems din. Na label pa na most underrated phones yung mga LG phones kasi hindi rin masyado na market. Bilis din magdepreciate yung value ng phones kaya ang liit ng kita nila.
@@rjn1749 truu kaya mas maganda kung bibili ng phone yung pangmatagalan. Pero syempre pag mas mura kesa ibang brands, mas mabili.
Phone ko LG V30 since 2018 pa ✨sobrang tibay parang kakabili ko lang yung quality niya til now.
BTW, sana all may heart🙄
LG is my 2nd smartphone purchase upgrade (the 1st was HTC, which was a disappointment) since my departure from Nokia. Naka G3 and G4 din before I went back to Samsung. Happy memories.
Nafeel ko yung nginig ni ate Mary when holding the phone, pasmado here 🤧
lg v20 is the first phone with Quad DAC audio ... also is the last phone with removable battery.... and it the only phone has the remote infrared learning feature...
Whoever reads this, aangat balang araw🙏💜 stay postive and goodvibes🤙
Ayaw kong positive 😂😂😂
Hello Miss Mary! May I know the shop or link po kung saan niyo na-order ang LG Wing? 🥺🤍
My super idoll. Sinceee you join youtube
one of the best phone maker...
Imagine getting heart from ate Mary ♥️
I can't find LG phones anymore, can I buy that LG wing from you? Thanks
Yes ate marry Wala na smartphone ng LG stop production😥 mag concentrate sila sa appliances tinalo kasi sila ng samsung at china phone. Oatronize ko din product nila led tv at tun Lg xboom tower type speaker d best.🔊
Hi Ate Mary 💕💕 May I just ask who did you contact to get that device?
voila!..saktong sakto pagkaka search ko dito, kasi i just saw it sa fb market too, and maybe i might consider it or just wait for iphone se plus version..ang hirap naman mag upgrade, daming options lol..pls make a full review about lg wing..sa ml po ba ok din siya?..sana yung map dun sa 3inches na screen nakalagay kagaya sa asphalt😁..
Thank you ate mary dahil ing upload mo na po hahaha waiting po kasi po ako napanood ko po kasi sa tiktok po yan
Nice review po Ate Mary sa LG smartphone, dahil isa pa ako sa nakagamit ng smartphone ng LG, Ang na gandahan ako sa smartphone ng LG is yung camera talaga smooth yung kuha at sa lahat malinaw yung detalye ng picture ng camera kita talaga yung ibang detalye kapag zinoom mo yung picture, most of all magaganda yung camera ni LG at ni Sony kahit hindi sila yung fully color na nakikita natin sa camera ng ibang smartphone, parang natural color lang ang kuha nila pero sharp at fully detail yung kuha nila LG at ni Sony sa pagkuha ng picture kaya ayun ang nagustuhan ko sa kanila dalawa.
Sana po ma review rin nyo po yung Smartphone ng Sony po ate Mary
Mary! I really like that design! and I can multi-task with only one phone. I wish I could buy that someday. hahayyyyy. my dream phone. Super clear ng explanations mo,. it urges me more to have it. hayyy
*Mag-uupdate parin ba po in the next updates kahit wala na ang LG Mobile?*
Legit pa enhance ng pa enhance yung editing skill ng vid ni ate mary💖
Yeah! Nanunuod ako habang ng lalaway not because of foods but because of cellphone(tama ba ang english🤣🤣) na pinapakita ni ate mary. Like🤤🤤🥰 sana may ganyan ako😭😭🙏🙏🙏
Ms mary where did you purvhase the LG wing 😊
This phone is ideal para sa mga nag oonline class 😊 your listening while taking notes. 🤗
Great content! 🙂 Saan niyo po nabili?
I would love to know where'd you bought this phone? 😊
Hi Ms. Mary. Can you tell me kung san nyo po nabili? yung link po please. thank you. 😊
Ms. Mary thank you for the review i love LG phone since nong una pa. Kaya hanapnk lg tlga po. Pa reply nmn po kung saan ako pwd bumili kasi yan tlga fav ko. Yung lg g4 ko mg 6 years na buhay padin.
Hi mary I just wanna ask where did you buy the LG wing since its not available in the Philippines?
Sana ate mag throwback review rin po kau,
ng mga old flagship ni LG, 2018-19
LG G7, LG G8, LG V40, LG V50
& compare it sa mga new mid range phone.
...avail. po 'yan sa lazada..(old LG fones)
Ms Mary ang galing ng resolution
Yehey! Naka bili na si ate Mary. 😊😁
I've seen that kind of phone at the movie of Songbird...looks cool and unique kind of phone...
Tech Mary, saan mo nabili ang LG Wing mo? was waiting for it na launch sa Philippines pero ayun nga bigla nag goodbye LG Mobile naman sila.
Sayang to!! Was really looking forward to LG Wing 2 for better specs