@@djsthemetereman I understand that, just making a point that while you indicated it was only now available for purchasing, more than a dozen Heeltoe customers have already ordered and possessed units and now they can flash them! The advantage of buying from Heeltoe :)
I can’t imagine all the people who don’t read the disclaimers and buy the KTuner V2 thinking they don’t need a laptop then get upset with you. Great video and great explanations Marcus!
It helps! Better than just saying one is better than the other. People should understand how they work and that will help them make an informed choice!
I’m going to ask a rookie, non-tuner guy kind of question, do these solutions have an impact on warranty? I’m not a track guy and just like rip it when the mood strikes, so it sounds like the JB4 is the solution for me. Great informative video’s, please keep them coming.
Thanks for asking! Any modification you do is going to have an impact on the warranty. The generally safer bet for the situation you are referring to is the JB4. But ultimately in order for you to have a problem two things need to happen. 1) You need to have a failure that will have to be caused by something the tuner did, and 2) They need to prove the failure was caused by something the tuner did.
I was hesitant to go with a JB4 piggyback because it offers less flexibility than the KTuner, but the KTuner tunes for the Type S are relatively new, and don't have nearly as many miles (or videos) as the JB4 for the Type S. Can't wait to see an update on the KTuner now that tunes are available!
just bought a 23 type S and wanna get a K Tuner but they aren’t out yet, im trust the people when they say if i flash it back to stock i’ll be fine when it comes down to warranty!
@@Heeltoe. do you know if that’s not the case? I would love to stage 2 my 23 Aspec but a little afraid if something would happen and my warranty would be voided
The only thing I’d say that’s weird is the trans really gets used to how you’re driving it I have a jb4 and depending how I’m Driving the trans kinda gets used to it
Depends on your driving habits, style, etc. You’ll need 91+ octane gasoline regardless, when you flash any of the maps on. Map 1 is only +3.5 PSI, so it’s safe. Map 2 is +4 PSI, but can take all the way up to 93 octane gas. Map 5, I believe, is an E30 (30% ethanol) tune, which you can run with the stock fuel system, I believe. Map 6 is fully customizable, but I forget how it’s adjusted. Maybe via a computer/laptop?
It's a good question we have not done a power test on that. Based on our experience installing a JB4 and driving it around for a while it's good for an easy 20-30 horsepower. Eases up the booth just a bit to give you that juice.
If the k tuner is rewriting the ecu… is that detectable by Acura? I’ve heard that simply removing the JB4 will not be detectable by Acura. My 2021 Type S is is my longterm car and I don’t want warranty problems.
As we understand it not it is not detectable specifically as a reflash, no. If there is a failure that results in an engine light, then Acura can get freeze data from the ECU showing what was going on at the time of the failure. But that is it
If youre going to have work done at the dealer, you can reflash it back to stock. wont be detectable in any way unless you leave the unit in the car lol
I'm assuming the KTuner will also work for the 22+ MDX Type S as well since they are the same engine, trans and ecu as the TLX Type S? Only thing about the Ktuner that is not cool is that if something happens you take the car back to the dealer they will know the ecu flashed and void your warranty.
No it will not, not until they complete development on it. The JB4 works on both because it is a much simpler, solid-state device with its own programming internal to the unit, doesn't need to get inside the computer like a KTuner does. But as I recently learned no I do not believe the Acura dealer can specifically prove you flashed the car.
I have a Acura tlx 2022 2.0L and I’m wondering what is the best one the ktuner or the jbl, I’m not a professional in cars and I don’t know if it’s safe for me to install because I feel I’m going to do something wrong, what is your advice
Also I don’t want the manufacturer to notice that I changed the ECU with a tuner because if they know the warranty will drop but in the same time I wanna take the risk
JB4 claims "Power gains of up to 80whp/100wtq" which probably is using an ethanol mix. I would expect gains around half of that on 93, as a rough guess.
Haven't gotten any information from Hondata yet, Right now it doesn't seem like they're working on anything, but then again they tend to release stuff without notice as well.
hey guys, recently bought a 22’ Type S, going to be purchasing a JB4 and some other stuff really soon, does anyone know any good tuners in South Florida???
@@Lawtypes It won't damage anything if that's what you mean. But you will need to have some reasonable expectations. It's not a perfect solution. But I wouldn't go so far as to say as it's dangerous.
Anybody using the JB4 in mdx type s, this will make any difference in performance?? Also what about if i need to bring the car to the dealer, they will know if i put the jb4?
I run JB4. Whenever i go to the dealership. I remove it. They wont know a thing. Unless something when wrong and they really really want to get to the bottom of why it messed it
@@Andr3s02 i use mine on the Accord 1.5t. Running E30 on map4. Really wakes it up. I mostly have done highway pulls. 0-60 not sure. It really spins alot. So i really dont have traction 1st into 2nd gear.
if you search the web you can see folks are running beta tests of a stage 1 Ktuner tune on their TLX S right now. Should be soon when the full version is released!
The JB4 is superior in everything except it doesn’t increase or delete the top speed limiter. The KTuner does tho. KTuner are kinda assholes to email and get straight answers without you being a tuning wizard.
@@Heeltoe. alright nice, I know really nothing about this and planning to try and get it for my Acura mdx type s, people say a tune could dramatically help the car
This was comparing the products, no the power. At the time of the video the KTuner was not compatible with the Type-S so there was not ability to make that video at the time.
K tuner is now available to the public for purchasing, I will be buying one
It has been available for public purchase on Heeltoe for almost a year now.
@@Heeltoe. Yes I know but I emailed them & they'd informed me that at the time only data could be logged but no maps were installed
@@djsthemetereman I understand that, just making a point that while you indicated it was only now available for purchasing, more than a dozen Heeltoe customers have already ordered and possessed units and now they can flash them! The advantage of buying from Heeltoe :)
@@Heeltoe. Gotcha!
@@Heeltoe. Just received mine today thx for vid
I can’t imagine all the people who don’t read the disclaimers and buy the KTuner V2 thinking they don’t need a laptop then get upset with you. Great video and great explanations Marcus!
They don't get upset with me, they just get a surprise. Thanks for watching Ira!
Thanks for that in-depth comparison.
It helps! Better than just saying one is better than the other. People should understand how they work and that will help them make an informed choice!
I’m going to ask a rookie, non-tuner guy kind of question, do these solutions have an impact on warranty? I’m not a track guy and just like rip it when the mood strikes, so it sounds like the JB4 is the solution for me. Great informative video’s, please keep them coming.
Thanks for asking! Any modification you do is going to have an impact on the warranty. The generally safer bet for the situation you are referring to is the JB4. But ultimately in order for you to have a problem two things need to happen. 1) You need to have a failure that will have to be caused by something the tuner did, and 2) They need to prove the failure was caused by something the tuner did.
I was hesitant to go with a JB4 piggyback because it offers less flexibility than the KTuner, but the KTuner tunes for the Type S are relatively new, and don't have nearly as many miles (or videos) as the JB4 for the Type S.
Can't wait to see an update on the KTuner now that tunes are available!
The actual KTuner tunes have been developed over almost a year internally, they have PLENTY of road time on them in varying conditions.
Great content. Based on this I think I'll go with Ktuner for my 2021 Advance Pack - TY!
Certainly! Buy on Heeltoe! We have units in stock.
My favorite things about Ktuner is the ability to adjust overun throttle compensation and the ability to adjust throttle input.
The amount of changes you can make are vast. The JB4 is PnP power, but the KTuner offers the power and so much more.
Can you make a video on how to install the jb4 on your tlx type s
It's so super simple...just plug in the plugs according to the instructions. If we get a change we will make a video.
This was a very informative video. Thank you for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks, Marcus!
Thanks for watching! :) #HTinyourcorner
Thank you for this video! Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
@@Heeltoe. did you install the jB4? initial reaction?
Yes we have installed both! The JB4 you can definitely feel adds power right off the bat. It is fast and easy to install and works as advertised.
Depends on the Honda/Acura. 15-18 TLX only are supported by Ktuner
100%, the number one decision factor is what is available?
just bought a 23 type S and wanna get a K Tuner but they aren’t out yet, im trust the people when they say if i flash it back to stock i’ll be fine when it comes down to warranty!
Yes the warranty should not likely be an issue, just need the KTuner to release. Buy on Heeltoe when ready. We have JB4 now.
I think the ECU logs everything. So they’ll know if you reverted back
You "think" that?
@@Heeltoe. do you know if that’s not the case? I would love to stage 2 my 23 Aspec but a little afraid if something would happen and my warranty would be voided
@@fizzmynizz5385 The ECU does not log everything. As far as I know it can't keep track of flash counts, and you can't "see" what map is in it.
The only thing I’d say that’s weird is the trans really gets used to how you’re driving it I have a jb4 and depending how I’m Driving the trans kinda gets used to it
Yeah, the cars are kinda trying to be too smart sometimes.
Outstanding
Thanks for watching!
Which map on the jb4 is the best for the Acura tlx
Depends on your driving habits, style, etc. You’ll need 91+ octane gasoline regardless, when you flash any of the maps on.
Map 1 is only +3.5 PSI, so it’s safe. Map 2 is +4 PSI, but can take all the way up to 93 octane gas.
Map 5, I believe, is an E30 (30% ethanol) tune, which you can run with the stock fuel system, I believe.
Map 6 is fully customizable, but I forget how it’s adjusted. Maybe via a computer/laptop?
Thanks for the video! How much more power does the JB2 provide to my 2023 Acura TLX Types S?
It's a good question we have not done a power test on that. Based on our experience installing a JB4 and driving it around for a while it's good for an easy 20-30 horsepower. Eases up the booth just a bit to give you that juice.
May I ask what tire and rim set up is on that specific type s in the video, thanks!🔥😍
For sure check the specs here : www.heeltoeauto.com/index.php?p=vehicle&user_vehicle_id=35797
Any update on the Ktuner for 2023 TLX Type-S?
No, sadly not yet.
Thanks for your great explanation..blessing
Glad it was helpful!
If the k tuner is rewriting the ecu… is that detectable by Acura? I’ve heard that simply removing the JB4 will not be detectable by Acura. My 2021 Type S is is my longterm car and I don’t want warranty problems.
As we understand it not it is not detectable specifically as a reflash, no. If there is a failure that results in an engine light, then Acura can get freeze data from the ECU showing what was going on at the time of the failure. But that is it
If youre going to have work done at the dealer, you can reflash it back to stock. wont be detectable in any way unless you leave the unit in the car lol
@@Heeltoe. And that’s big Acura! Dealerships can’t see logs! Don’t ever let them tell you that
@@Heeltoe. They send your ECU and PCM off to be inspected… They did send my trans to them tho… never heard anything about that
I have a 2024 Acura TLX Type S, and I'm trying to locate the ECU number and I couldn't find it. Where are they generally located on an acura?
It is on a sticker on the side of the ECU
I'm assuming the KTuner will also work for the 22+ MDX Type S as well since they are the same engine, trans and ecu as the TLX Type S? Only thing about the Ktuner that is not cool is that if something happens you take the car back to the dealer they will know the ecu flashed and void your warranty.
No it will not, not until they complete development on it. The JB4 works on both because it is a much simpler, solid-state device with its own programming internal to the unit, doesn't need to get inside the computer like a KTuner does. But as I recently learned no I do not believe the Acura dealer can specifically prove you flashed the car.
I have a Acura tlx 2022 2.0L and I’m wondering what is the best one the ktuner or the jbl, I’m not a professional in cars and I don’t know if it’s safe for me to install because I feel I’m going to do something wrong, what is your advice
Also I don’t want the manufacturer to notice that I changed the ECU with a tuner because if they know the warranty will drop but in the same time I wanna take the risk
You sound like a JB4 customer. www.heeltoeauto.com/piggyback-module/burger-motorsports-jb4-piggyback-tuner-2021-acura-tlx-2.0t-.html
Def JB4
What king of who gains could I expect for my 21 tlx a spec with the jb4 on the 93 gas tune?
JB4 claims "Power gains of up to 80whp/100wtq" which probably is using an ethanol mix. I would expect gains around half of that on 93, as a rough guess.
@@Heeltoe. that’s not bad at all
Is the KTuner going to be iOS/macOS compatible in the future?
Honestly, knowing them....no.
Can the JB4 work with the 2024 Honda Type R
The JB4 website suggests it does yes
So, Hondata doesn't have anything for the turbo 3l V6 from Acura?
Not that we know of. I've heard that they probably won't spend any resources developing anything for it. I hope I'm wrong....
Haven't gotten any information from Hondata yet, Right now it doesn't seem like they're working on anything, but then again they tend to release stuff without notice as well.
Is Ktuner compatible with MDX TYPE S? Thank you
Not at this time, no eta or data on that.
hey guys, recently bought a 22’ Type S, going to be purchasing a JB4 and some other stuff really soon, does anyone know any good tuners in South Florida???
jb4 is plug and play. u dont need a tuner for that.
We have the JB4 in stock and it does not require a tuner.
@@Heeltoe.is the jb4 safe for the type s ???
@@Lawtypes It won't damage anything if that's what you mean. But you will need to have some reasonable expectations. It's not a perfect solution. But I wouldn't go so far as to say as it's dangerous.
@@Heeltoe. Maybe ktuner is better options?
Anybody using the JB4 in mdx type s, this will make any difference in performance?? Also what about if i need to bring the car to the dealer, they will know if i put the jb4?
I run JB4. Whenever i go to the dealership. I remove it. They wont know a thing. Unless something when wrong and they really really want to get to the bottom of why it messed it
@@luilui785 great, thanks for letting me know, how about performance any gain? 0-60 or nothing crazy
@@Andr3s02 i use mine on the Accord 1.5t. Running E30 on map4. Really wakes it up.
I mostly have done highway pulls. 0-60 not sure. It really spins alot. So i really dont have traction 1st into 2nd gear.
@@luilui785 great, thanks men
It looks like K tuner is really taking a long time, I mean my 21 type-s is two years old now, I wonder why it's taking this long
Actually Ktuner is really rather close to releasing. They really are doing their diligence to make sure there are no concerns at all.
@@Heeltoe. Great Thx
if you search the web you can see folks are running beta tests of a stage 1 Ktuner tune on their TLX S right now. Should be soon when the full version is released!
@@ranmas2004 I saw that hopefully they'll release more soon
@@djsthemeteremanits now officially released and available for the public. Looking at 100wtq and 50whp gains on premium gas 91+
Sadly my jb4 was throwing 13 different codes after the install of my downpipe. I cannot run the jb4 anymore due to that. Any fixes ?
Good info! What did burger tuning say when you reported the codes and the situation to them?
Easy fix, sell it to me. 😂
@@Baddmnkey1 I’ll sell you my JB4 😊
The JB4 is superior in everything except it doesn’t increase or delete the top speed limiter. The KTuner does tho. KTuner are kinda assholes to email and get straight answers without you being a tuning wizard.
I think KTuner is definitely the better platform, but yes they 100% are more assholes.
@@Heeltoe. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has had that experience
Damn so I need a big ass laptop 24/7?
What? no man, just to set it up ;) You don't even need to keep the KTuner unit in the car once it is flashed.
@@Heeltoe. alright nice, I know really nothing about this and planning to try and get it for my Acura mdx type s, people say a tune could dramatically help the car
so there was a lot of talking but zero results.
This was comparing the products, no the power. At the time of the video the KTuner was not compatible with the Type-S so there was not ability to make that video at the time.
The goal of the video was to help people decide which product is for them. Based on the product differences here, we think we outlined it well.
@@Heeltoe. I don't think you outlined anything, but I still appreciate the content. Thanks!
@@PremiumUserUltra We discussed both products in detail, how they install, how they work, and what they do. Maybe watch it again? *Shrug*