Hyundai IONIQ 5 N: Fake Gears transform an EV into a Real Driver's Car!
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2024
- MotoMan drives the 641 HP @hyundai IONIQ 5 N on Laguna Seca to answer a vexxing question: Can adding complicated gimmicks of fake sounds and gears to a go fast EV make an almost 5,000 pound Hyundai IONIQ 5 CUV go around corners? The answer may surprise you.
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This car can do 2 laps of Nurburgring, recharge and do it again all day long without battery thermal issue, power drop or brake fade. Not even Taycan can do that. And it is only 1/3 price of Taycan.
@@frok7744 People tend to focus on 5N's fake transmission and fake engine sound, but it is Hyundai's advanced battery temperature management system and amazing regen system that makes 5N truly special.
a regular car can do that.
also, you gonna smoke these brakes with that heavy weight. its not a track car by any stretc of the imagination
@@hazardeurPlease study about electric cars. This is possible because regenerative braking acts as a brake
@@yeonichannelit doesnt work like that. do a fucking google search or something and dont waste my time
In some comments here, people are mistaken for virtual sound and virtual transmissions.
People seem to think of it as just a gimmick for fun or imitation. I used to drive the circuit often. Surprisingly, people don't feel speed with their senses. I just feel the gravity of acceleration and deceleration.
So you can feel the speed sensibly with the sound of the engine. In order to drive the circuit properly, such various sensory information must be felt. That's why the manufacturer put it as an option.
Even virtual sound was created out of necessity. It's not just a gimmick.
That's fair. I own an economy car and I can tell you that sometimes I cannot even tell if the engine is one or not because of all the sound deadening.
it is definitely a gimmick. and it´s pathetic
Dynamic feedback👍
You get used to the silence after a little while. I've tracked my EV6GT quite a few times and do autocross with it pretty regularly. You hear and feel the tires more, you get to know where the friction brakes take over from the regenerative braking, and can anticipate the weight transfer better, all without having to worry about what gear you're in, where your revs are, or how much power is available coming out of a corner; there's always plenty! No regrets selling the BRZ for it.
One of the very few UA-camrs who actually knows what he's talking about and can explain some of the technical details and reasons for them instead of only talking about looks of a car and whether it has a round or square button. Thank you MotoMan!
WOW! Absolutely my pleasure . . . especially when it means a day at Laguna Seca:)
@@MotoManTV evs are scam garbage but i clicked on video to hear the fake engine sounds, bmw relax mode sounds liek gearshifts in a abstract way and the turbine sound and gran turismo one for this hyundai electric sport manual was interesting
@@ouch9326 Appreciate you watching . . .
Every performance oriented EV should have this! I'm really impressed by the creativity.
Thanks for your review of “our” Ioniq5N… 😊😊😊… fortunately for me the 5N is my daily driver and i truly love the engagement it gives me on the twisty bits and the total peace and quiet on the boring bits!
Yes i charge every two days - but for the fun i get it’s worth it :-))
Best wishes from Seoul,
Simon
Hyundai is doing highly creative stuff these days. Reminds me of the domestics back in the 1960s, really neat and exciting work by engineers who love cars.
Take the Elantra N. That was a real eye-opener. But now they are innovating in the SUV and electric spaces, too.
How I wish the abusive, psychotic nanny-state would leave us alone!
LOVE the Elantra N. Didn't have time to film it, but did do the autocross with the Elantra N you see quickly in this episode.
but question: is their creativity really practical? isn't changing torque profiles to simulate gear changes wearing the thing down prematurely? what that does is artificially making mechanic shocks on the, well, not transmission but rather bogies? perhaps? if you do "change gears" everyday in it, in a span of don't know perhaps 5-10 years? it'll break down. Of course, a CVT does fake shift as well but those "shifts" are gentle and don't create any shocks. Cars should last at least 30 years if not even 50, if we scrap cars after only like 2-5 years that's a really big waste, of money, of resources, of everything, i know consumerism and stuff but still, throwing money out the window is a waste.
Another thing is comfort, I daily drive a manual and I've developed my own technique of shifting in such a manner gear shifts are not felt at all, while I drive a manual smoothly with no jerking on gear shifts you people with electric cars that can provide the smoothest and quietest ride ever choose instead to be jerked back and forth by quote "gear shifts" and feel like a potato in a truck basically, that's backwards, really
The MotoMan "hey now!" is the equivalent of a sleeper surprise 🧐😮🧐
My real problem with any high weight vehicle, ice or not, is the added wear and tear on brakes, tires, etc. Especially when on the track. What Hyundai has done here though, is nothing short of remarkable. Like a real video game for real roads.
My favorite thing about this Ioniq 5? The rear wiper. 😂
You are not the only one to tell me this . . .
멍청한놈아 우물안에서 개구리랑 놀아라😅
2025 and on will have them.
You are absolutely correct. In performance driving, managing the weight or the rotation of the car (in addition to speed and acceleration) is critical. The best way to manage weight is by being able to quickly manipulate G forces and you do that with gear shifts. Slam the gears at the right time and it’s quicker than micromanaging speed with just throttle control. What Hyundai has done is to take this racing concept of gearing and digitize a DCT program for electric motors. In the Ioniq 5 N you can slam it into a regen gear (a torque band) using the left/right paddle shifters (0.6G at the highest in the Ioniq) similar to downshifting/upshifting. And shift changes, whether digitally in electric motors or mechanically with multiple gearing, when amplified with sound registers much quicker in the brain.
I would love to see a UA-camr demonstrate how you attack a track turn with DCT gear shifts versus a single-speed automatic transmission and you’ll get the idea. So yeah, electric cars have always had the potential for regen and torque shifting. It took Hyundai to make it work with the Ioniq 5 N synthesizing a DCT feel and RPM feedback and it’s what performance track drivers have been waiting for. Electric cars will never be the same. You can bet BMW and Audi are back on the drawing board.
Add Cadillac to that list . . . ua-cam.com/video/GE5hmc6ACMA/v-deo.html
Fascinating vehicle!
If I have not got the EV6 GT a few months ago, I would have tried to get this. But my understanding is there is a long queue.
I’ve heard they are available at MSRP.
Being in Minnesota prevents me from going electric, I just drive too much. I'd rather wait for the battery tech to be palpable. I sat in an EV6 at a show and really was impressed!
@@garyclark6747 really ? where are you located ?
Nothing wrong with the EV6 GT. I think it looks way better than the Hyundai and the performance difference is minimal. if I want internal combustion sounds, i’ll buy an internal combustion car.
Mine arrives in 2 months here in Phoenix. MSRP
Nice video production , very dynamic !
Thank you for noticing . . . busted our ass on this one.
I'd buy this in a heartbeat as my daily driver.
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SO
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COOL.
Hyundai is killin it with the Ioniqs. Can't wait for the 6N. 👏
As an avid Sim Racer. Any AWD electric car that I can load a rFactor vehicle profile in, take the shift sounds, shift points, power-train data (fwd, rwd) torque curves etc.. Would be endgame. Load a 1996 Porsche Turbo into my IONIQ5
In compare to combustion it has more more power but less range, more sound options but it is all fake, more price but less service cost. Very creative solution but great job Hyundai!
still less fun than a combustion motor that costs a fraction of the price.
Going to have to test drive one of these for sure.
Motoman: one of the best in the game. Great video.
Thank you . . . my pleasure . . . Especially when I am burning someone else's tire budget:)
@@MotoManTV torching those tires!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
1. check the biz email, sent you something there.
2. i love the concept of this car. At the end one must enjoy a car like this, not only go fast. It must be a fun experience overall.
I am anxious to see your review of the new Porsche Macan Turbo and how it compares to this N which seems to be an awesome car.
Great review as always.
P.S. love the helmet!
Regen braking of this car is epic (320kW - 0.6g)
Macan Turbo EV is only 240kW and even Taycan Turbo S is 275kW.
Thank you . . . That is my OG helmet . . . It's beat up but it has a lot of sentimental value: Did Targa Newfoundland in that thing:
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The advancement of the platform is 5n better.
@@frok7744 Good question but I wouldn’t bet against Porsche at this point. With a starting price of $106k before options the Turbo and the 5N may be very close. In that case the 5N being at least $30K less would be the winner.
MotoMan will give us the answer I’m sure…..
@@frok7744 If Macan follows Tycan practice then it should be able to do at least one lap.
Just turn off the fake noise and gears and enjoy the power of torque of the EV in a track tuned machine.
So much additional power on tap in the rear wheels, what a brilliant use of EV technology!
This the EV all of us non EV guys want! Love it!
7:40 Remember, it doesn't actually change gears. It's just audio effect from your speakers. It can obviously switch 2nd no matter the speed. If they had gamefied the system a bit, it could play game over sound from the engine if you did money shift and then show a message that luckily you're running with EV but with ICE engine that little manouver would have just cost at least $5K to repair.
Very intriguing. I appreciate the work to put personality back into electric cars. I like it!
That is by far the biggest aspect that you notice the minute you drive this thing.
Here I was waiting for the 2025 Golf R and then I had to see this video (new subscriber meow as well) of the N. I’ve been holding off on EV because I think it’s maybe 5 years before it becomes truly relevant. But I have to meow reconsider everything. Damn you and your amazing video, detail and overall production. I may baby step my way into things and go with the Genesis GV70 (the 80 is too “elegant dad” for me, but I’m ready to be called zaddy!). 😂
If I wanted noise, I would have leased an ICE vehicle. I like my ioniq 5 because it is quiet and comfortable to drive.
@@DieMusik-rb1npit’s a waste of $ to do this. Just silly stupid companies
@@myaccount__7269 The whole car is meant to be silly and fun that is what N brand represents - "Never just drive". It is all about options, preference and joy of being in drivers seat. What is amazing is that you can go from performance beast to standart sterile EV grocery getter with a single button press compared to high performance ICE that will blast grandmas ears off in a mall parking lot.
You can make the Ioniq 5 N quiet when you want as well and drive it like a regular EV. Best of both worlds.
@@dfd6787 high performance ice like the corvette has buttons to muffle sound significantly too
@@myaccount__7269 That is a good option to have!
Hyundai made the most realistic Racing Simulator...
Are you the person posting this exact same comment on every ionic 5N video??
@@Fitforacting Interesting! 🤔 Is my first comment about this car. Maybe it is the way that the car is perceived? A "mimick" of a sports car.
ty
7:16 I think the forward/backwards torque selector would be more accurately described as torque limiter. The 50%/50% setting means 100% of the electric motor power for both motors. When you set it to 40%/60% what really happens is that rear motors still get 100% torque but front motors are limited so that overall balance is now 40%/60%. It cannot magically make more power from the same motor unlike what would happen with ICE engine with cardan axle where any leftover from the front would be transferred to back.
The gear emulation simply cuts some of the torque for short time periods and plays audio from the speakers. If you want maximum performance, you don't want such cuts in the torque curve. It's a fun gimmick feature nonetheless. I think the idea of audio feedback is great but I'd rather have audio feedback that tells me how close to max torque the system currently is, not the RPM information. Similarly, I'd like to have audio feedback telling how close to max regen the system currently is. That would tell me that if I want to decelerate more rapidly, I have to go to breaks instead of just lifting the accelerator pedal.
Right on!! QS bring it home fast!
The market will decide!
The best thing about the simulated engine sounds and shifting is that you can turn them off and leave them off.
I've hated every fake-gear fake-sound implementation in an EV I've ever seen, until this. This i LOVE. It's like watching a really entertaining movie, you know it's fake but it so good you just suspend your disbelief and have fun.
Right!
They do it in ICE vehicles too.
I like it and im not a fan of most things about it. Good job.
Cool review as always Motoman and the performance looks to be impressive but from the perspective of a grumpy old man I'd skip the "N"-onsense...fake rev limiter, throttle blips, exhaust burble, etc. 😁
If you don't want it, you can turn it off anytime. optional
Needs a tan interior
1,000,000%
My view is different. I disagree that there's a need to invest in specifically making EVs weigh as much of ICE performance cars.
I actually think car companies should put their money toward something completely different. I think that car companies should double down on their push for EVs, but establish a framework for buying used battery packs from EV and plug-in hybrid owners, then use those batteries as stationary storage.
To your point, yes, EVs are heavy. But the energy consumed per km/mile of an EV compared to a gasoline car is so little, I just don't agree with you that the weight argument is a real problem.
The cost of DC fast charging 'is' a problem. People are paying demand charges so high, that it costs almost as much to charge DC as it would otherwise cost to full up with gas. Stationary storage systems consisting of used battery packs should be used as a shock absorber for charging stations. There's plenty of money to be made by taking massive bite out of the demand charge users are currently paying at DC fast charging stations, and also additional revenue from energy arbitrage.
16" brake disk is ridiculous. Not long ago that used to be the rim diameter of wheels of new cars! Not even F1 cars use 16" brake disks so there's no technical need to have such a huge disks when you don't have downforce to make it possible to brake much above 1g.
Most importantly Motoman, were the cooled seats any good?
Can't say I even noticed the car was equipped with heated and/or cooled seats. This was one of those days where we were chock a block getting all that footage both on the track and where Hyundai didn't want us snooping around (Tires/brakes):)
I’m not paying $70,000 for that car, but it is fucking cool as heck! And if I had a ton of money, I’d buy it without a doubt! If I only had 70 grand to spend on a car, I’ll probably buy a mustang GT loaded up or GT 500, C8, Acura Integra, and whatever else is 70 grand that’s not electric..lol
one day, you will ride the E-Bus.
How did you find the fake engine noise?
I hope they stick with 300 mile range and shrink the battery mass, rather than aim for 600 mile range with the same mass. I hope they could get the curb weight (well) under 4,000 lb. And use a proper skid plate so that the car isn't automatically written off (and not covered by warranty) when you run over something.
3:21 The N Grin Boost adds 40hp but does that change the 0-60mph??! I can’t find this information out anywhere 😂
According to the engineers I met on the program, the claimed 3.25 to 60 is with the NGB (worst possible name). Did not have time - or the instruments - to test without.
I want a clutch betal, so that my left feet ca have complete control over h ow I deal in the power.
Also about the algorithm .. it’s not related to likes or subs that much anymore. It’s now going by watch time and if people click on your video when it’s uploaded and new. Try to copy what other car channels use for thumbnails and catchy titles. Your videos are awesome and def deserve way more views . But watch time retention is huge for algo
You are 100% correct. For a LONG time, subscribers have meant zero to actual views. As for your point of watch time, every partner manager of mine tells us the same thing. That is one of the key reasons we still invest a huge amount into production quality even though iPhone theater is what gets views today. All that to say, our watch time (audience retention) is off the charts high and it does not translate to more views. So yes, we are investing other changes you will soon see but I fear a lot of this means nothing . . . UA-cam has created a black box they can no longer control. Can't say I have any other intelligent answer as to why some videos/channels do better than others. Thank you for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts.
The thing is fast electric race cars are loud. Street evs should have sound too. Especially if they are fast. Even if it’s fake. IMO
It's creative, but so is impossible beef burgers. It's a facsimile of something people like but it will never quench your appetite for the real thing. If you need to have one of these wait a year and get it 1/2 off.
@@frok7744 It's the weight for me. There's no replacing the nimbleness of a Miata or 86. Those cars are gone and it's the only type of cars I like.
@@WhatisaLee caterham project v 1380kg? Tesla gen1 roadster 2,800#? Ssc sc01 ev at 2,860# awd 2dr coupe with 420+hp for 42k?
If I have to choose from pumped sound vs pumped sound + exhaust, I will choose the cleaner version. Comes with other benefits, but that would be the main one. Additionally you can turn all of it off while cruising trough suburbs (or leave on inside only, whatever is your prefference)
What do you think is the best color?
If i had the money to make this my 2nd car, I would in a heartbeat. But the 200 mi range is a toal deal breaker for a daily
The range is like at 240mi. Hyundai tend to underrated the range of their vehicles since their lawsuit in 2012.
@@JT-fq2bl Well, I was driving this 5N to like 140MPH and messing around on the highway and my range was more like 200. If you drive it hard your range will be greatly decreased.
70k is a hard sell. Thanks for explaining detailed menu options no other car youtubers are being that specific
The average new car price is over $40k these days. This midsize crossover EV is almost as fast as compact BMW M2 CS around Nurburgring. 70k is actually a bargain.
@bbokdoong you're comparing apples to oranges. M2 cs for one is a coupe which drives totally different from a hatchback ev. What people pay a premium for now is not only speed but a driving experience. An old tesla model 3 performance is faster than ioniq and cheaper if you want to compare
@dub88acc M2 and 5N are both performance cars at a similar price point. Comparison is justifiable. Anyway, Tesla model 3 performance may be slightly faster in a straight line, but if you ever take it to the racetrack, it won't even last 1 lap around the track with battery overheating, power drop and brake fade.
wait until you see the dealer mark-ups! 🤣
@@bbokdoong new m3 ludicrous out any day now should change that! 👍🏻
this is very good experiment
It's so weird to me how they put all this effort into a faux-shifting mechanism, and they back it with 1995 video game engine sounds. Why wouldn't they pump in actual real revving audio?
I don't understand why they want to call NGB button N grin boost. Why not call it eNGine Boost instead? Makes much more sense when you try to pronounce it.
10:50 The real question is, is this better car than Tesla Model S Plaid because that's roughly the same price. I think Tesla is better for the price but if this Hyundai were cheaper, it would be a better deal.
You are a very well informed reasonable individual. So why even mention weight when multiple evs are exactly the same weights as their most common ice equivelant? Example tesla m3 vs bmw m3, 3,600-4,000# for both depending on the options&trim selected.
A ford Lightning platinum vs a trx vs ct or rivian r1t dual motor all of them weigh 6,600-6,800# all are awd crew cab trucks with short beds.
A model X weighs less than most premium segment full size 4wd ice suvs it competes against. 5,100-5,300#
The nio et7 we lion semi solid 150kwh pack is 576kg pack weight and enables a real world range of 650+miles.
Weighing just 44# more than the same sized catl nmc chemistry 100kwh pack which can only go about 425 miles.
Semi solid state is here right NOW in multiple Chinese evs enabling sedans to have 130-150kwh pack's vs the current 90-110kwh sedan pack's.
Without significantly increasing the total pack weights. Its just more expensive atm&low volume production to start.
Which means a we lion 100kwh pack would prob weigh 400-500# LESS than a similar 100kwh nmc pack weighs. As the energy density at pack level per their claims is a 44% improvement.
Which would drop say a base model s lr awd 100kwh down to 4,000# or you know 300# LESS than a stock dodge charger hellcat weighs.
Heck a widebody hellcat with full fuel&fluids weighs the exact same as a model S lr does right now!
Both 4dr American built, full size seats 5 adult sedans. Both even cost a similar amount 70-100k+
A model 3 perf with semi solid state cells would drop down to 3,600-3,700# and a sr could get under 3,500# again.
A base ecoboost mustang weighs over 3,500 with fuel&fluids. Gt 5.0s weigh 3,800-4,000#+now. So weight isn't what some claim it is.
A Chevy bolt also weighs within 80-100# of a loaded fueled Ford focus, and both are 5 Dr American made hatches.
The model Y has Honda pilot levels of space but weighs right in between the pilot&rav4 hybrid awd ice model's at 4,100-4,300# 😎
Good question. As a performance car enthusiast and producer of this show, I feel it important to track the weight of each car presented. Why? What gets measured, gets done. What we are finding after driving hundreds of these, weight deltas vary greatly as we progress into EV deployment. We are consistently seeing about 1,000 pounds on most cars, however some are making strides in closing that gap such as BMW and Hyundai. Lucid also gets an honorable mention but the cost is . . . the cost. Can't really speak to the Chinese market because they are not on offer here and to be very frank, Western OEMs are held to a higher standard of engineering, reliability and performance. That will not change should they make inroads into North America.
The weigh, the price, and the range anxiety, are the three things that this car is going to be a hard sell. The one sense that car manufacturer won't be able to get, is the smell of an open exhaust people experience on tracks. A job well done Hyundai, but not complete.
It does get about 250 miles range if driven conservatively.
Are you guys serious? Of course the simulated gear changes works. This is the exact same thing anyone with a simrig at home feels. Even better if you have a motion rig. You can drive any car you want. Hyundai engineers are probably sim racers. The Ioniq 5N is like driving in your motion simrig in real life, except you can't go back to the main menu and switch out cars.
Extreme regenerative braking on lift off biased towards the front axil would assist weight transfer allowing for a controlled turn in. Optimized cooling and warming of the batteries in the art of power delivery for a variety of types of use cases is brilliant. Apparently the custom three selectable level suspension is still under wraps. My wish list is to make universal the heating/cooling technology and manual preconditioning across the line up. I want to arrive still preconditioning at 5% to a charger because it charges faster from 5% to 19% where it currently turns off than 19% to 33%. Give us a selectable arrival percentage and preconditioning percentage cut off @hyundai. You can warn us if you think we miscalculated suggesting to turn off preconditioning. Current onboard navigation is too conservative with too high a % arrival turning a three charging trip in to four or five if I followed navigating guidance. Let’s add evelation in to the the navigation and a more graphical interface with charger selection. Any charging selection would be a start with realtime charger rating and availability. Crowd source your own vehicle charging data live as low hanging fruit. Then when the charging curve drops somewhere north of 80% SOC to below 100kW there should be no energy needed to cool the pack after unplugging therefore maximizing energy for motion. All while using what ever navigation I choose or even without connection subscriptions. A manual preconditioning button is like a go pedal cover Tesla. It should stay in place regardless. #2023IONIQ5Owner 🤨
I would luv to see a performance comparison between this and the new Porsche Macan Turbo EV! Performance wise this does undercut the macan in price, but not prestige!
A LOT of people have asked me about this but I don't know how fair that would. First: Porsche has a SEVENTY YEAR head start on driving dynamics (although Hyundai has proven with this that they are a QUICK study). And the obvious: Will be a CRAZY price difference. Thus, when one has probably US$50,000-70,000 extra budget, one can do great things!
Trust me, my friend! The 5n platform is about a generation ahead. The battery is different first.
If your stamina can overcome it, 5n can continue to attack the Nure circuit. Until the electricity runs out. This story tells the difference in the completeness of the platform.
Of course, Porsche has a higher mark value. But the price will be high too. I would have used more advanced ingredients for the intestines.
Harvey is the only one who has the most important basic platform for cars.
I own this 5N car, but I would say that I'm hoping this car becomes the Supra of today. A popular fast car with a resonable price.
Killer
but the price tho
The fake exhaust note reminds me of that episode of Pimp My Ride where they put speakers under a car to simulate the glorious exhaust note of a V8 Ford GT. Sorry, but that's a No from me, dawg ...
I totally understand . . . it ain't for everyone. I predict 1% or 1%. That said, will never let you live down your love for the E65:)
@@MotoManTV hahahaha fair enough
Sounds like it has a combustion engine.👍
That request at the end needs to be applied to almost all cars. So many are entirely too heavy and still very inefficient on fuel.
It's so incredibly easy to put live in danger or just get a speeding ticket in modern cars. We don't need that much power.
Make the damn vehicles lighter. It solves so much problems.
Ignorant comments from someone who doesn't know how heavy the battery is
Batteries are at the infant stage, give it time.
but American people likes big trucks with big tires and big muffler to go to Home Depot and buy some 10000000lbs heavy duty equipment.
@@neogenesus Sadly
Hyundai N sends its compliments to Tesla...😂
I wonder when they'll bring out an EV with less power so you can go further with the same battery....
Wrong. The out-the-door price from the Hyundai dealer alone is $86k. Wow. The Model Y Performance, while not the same level performance but a nice performer itself, is $30k less and .99% finance. No $7500 instant credit/discount. Nice car but not buying
much better than ANY tesla
awesome value for money !
This guy doesn't get it... The fake gears are actually slower than the pure EV experience; they're just there to trick recalcitrant EV-haters into "feeling" the power that is already there by taking bits of it away in a manner they expect to feel. The emulated shifting is all software that removes available power to simulate a gear box and RPM-based power bands. The torque vectoring and e-LSD work better without the simulated combustion engine imperfections. Also, it may be a tall EV, but all the weight is much lower than on any traditional car.
Savagegeese seems to overly praise the Macan EV Turbo in a ridiculous way. They're foolish, talking nonsense while trying so hard to get sponsored by Porsche. Tsk tsk.
The Hyundai IONIQ 5 N is the performance-oriented version of the IONIQ 5 electric vehicle. It is expected to have a more powerful electric motor and a sportier suspension setup compared to the standard model. The IONIQ 5 N may also feature additional styling enhancements, such as unique wheels and a more aggressive front fascia. As of now, Hyundai has not released any official details on the IONIQ 5 N, but it is expected to be revealed in the near future.
It only weighs 5,000 lbs! EV’s need to pay for the wear and tear on the roads due to their weight.
Only tires wear faster around 35,000 miles and no need to replace anything else.
Hyundai programmed a soul into it.
As per usual, Chris, spot on!
I am not a Hyundai or Kia fan what so every. I think they have always been a budget orientated cars built for people who don't care what they drive. This car is changing my mind :) I have a couple of friends who have had very bad experiences owning Hyundias with blown engines at 19k on the OD and blown transmissions. Maybe and EV Hyundai actually gets rid of that problem?
The Kia Stinger, Hyundai Elantra N, Hyundai Veloster N, Hyundai i30 N, and arguably the Genesis G70 are not budget oriented cars built for people who don't care what they drive.
A true model y killer from Hyundai 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
🤔 Hello Moto-bro, Ahem...
To boast about an EV with fake gears and artificial engine noises, Is akin to bragging among your friends that your supermodel wife fakes her organisms while calling out the name of her tennis coach!!
And then expects them to be impressed... 😅
well, faking it is better than nothing 😁. Plus, this EV can back it up with near supermodel level performance.
You always have such an 'eloquent' way of phrasing things . . . and upon reflection, can't argue with you:)
With this, not so much. Jason Cammisa keeps it real, and he has honestly said this could have very easily been a huge gimmick that would make Hyundai an absolute laughing stock, but they pulled off and it works really well.
Hypocrites. They roasted a Nissan for programming artificial shifts in the Maxima CVT, but somehow the artificial (fake as you not so kindly put it), makes the Hyundai a better car?
Got it.
Question is:
"Is it really better than Playstation PS1???"
It definitely should be better, because it's much more pricey! PS1 is not faking anything,this fakes almost everything,hmm...
They’ve turned driving into a simulator. Appliance gotta appliance.
A pretty expensive video game...
개소리 하지말고 가서 시운전 해봐. 당장 사고싶어진다.
Why is it so heavy? Should be 3500 lbs. for a sort-of "hot hatch". And the modes are just stupidly complex.
Quick name the ice powered awd 640+hp, seats 5 adults hot hatches weighing 3,500# which can lap the nurburgring at 7:44 or quicker?
@@4literv6 The M2 CS from 5 years ago is more capable than the Ionic and won’t quit after 2 laps of the Ring. Seats 4, which for all practical purposes, is the same as the Ionic. And by way, is down 200hp and still sets a better lap time. I bet the new M2 is faster as well. Look, I like what Hyundai has done in principle, but until the weight comes down, it’s forever compromised.
It may look like a hot hatch, but it's basically more of a crossover. Looks can be deceiving in photos -- in person it's much bigger than it looks in the photos. The wheelbase is basically the same as a Range Rover SE. And thr battery packs for EVs weigh a bunch.
Everything you said in your opening monologue makes no sense whatsoever. Fake gears and fake engine noise != performance.
I say this with the utmost respect: Get out and drive more performance cars - both ICE and EV and it will make perfect sense.
@@MotoManTV I'm surprised that you're so impressed with that mickey mouse engine noise. It's so bad that it's almost like it's parodying Gran Turismo as an easter egg of sorts. You'd be better served with straight-cut gear sound simulation if you're strictly using it for the track. Thank you for your kind reply, but I still respectfully disagree. Bis später
Everyone advocating for fake gearshifts and sounds of an EV that clearly has an identity crisis is out of mind. I liked the IONIQ 5 and wouldn´t ever consider an IONIQ 5 N because of this bullshit nonsense. It´s even worse than fake exhaust sound through the speakers (yes, I look at you, BMW).
It’s like a vegan sausage.. Not a real sausage… If you don’t want or like a meat sausage why make a vegan sausage look and taste like a real sausage…🤪 Then why have a electric car and make it feel like a petrol engine driven car… Just have the real thing. Electric cars have their place but driving enjoyment isn’t it. Why have a fake sound, fake feel, when you can have the real thing.. Probably for less money. 🤪👍😜
What if no one can tell the difference from the real one even though it's a vegan sausage? The essence is vegan sausage, but the reality is original sausage.
If only that was true, you can tell. I’m not saying it’s bad only stick with what’s good for an electric (vegan) and don’t try and make it feel or taste like something else. 😃 Sounds a bit Matrix like..🤪🤪
Why put so much stress on yourself and live in cognitive dissonance? I don't see vegan comparision applicable here. The focus of options mentioned is to provide fun/engagement and auditory feedback. We have lived with ICE for century, it is part of us to feel engagement related to sound and use it as our cues on how car performs (weight transfer, breaking, etc). Why put yourself in a corner that you can't step out of. Not a good analogy in my opinion.
Watch and listen to what Jason Cammisa had tonsay about it.
Impressive but just wait a year and get one for over half off. Kia/Hyundai EV cars depreciate like a rock on an anvil being pushed out of an airplane with 1,000x gravity.
We'll see. I could see this one holding its value better.
@@flybriur Nah, it won't. It's a $70k Hyundai. I can guarantee it won't hold its value. No way.
Hi trollboy haha😂😂
According to the Consumer Report and the AAA, Kia and Hyundai brands are the most stolen cars and the insurance on these cars is astronomical.
fake gears on an EV = stupid
Horrible. The no shifting is WHY they have an advantage plus the battery trq. That is so stupid sounding
Says the donut who’s never driven the car. 😂
The car clearly isn't for you then. By the way, you can completely turn off the feature and drive it like a regular EV.
Fake shit is still fake shit, at the end of the day, lame AF.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, No oil changes, No smog check, No corrupt dealership, No catalytic converter and as fast as a $550,000 Lamborghini
Yes Tesla is trash car
you talk to much... this car has already proven itself against the tesla 1020 hp....
smaller battery and Hydrogen fuel cell
First 10 minutes I put this on possible buy list……then at $70,000…..delete
It's faster and about same premium as an M3 over a 330i...
@@bradleyhall4315 You have to have rocks in your head to choose this over a M2 at the same price point.
@@lukewalker1051having owned an M3, I rather have this ya donut.
@@lukewalker1051not really. Depends on use. If you are not tracking it…Ioniq wins. If you are tracking it a few times a year you need m3 becuase ev is not track ready and runs out of juice very quickly
I just leased one for 2 years for 25K, it is way worth it. But I thought like you in the beginning. This car easily beat my expectations.
First, it was fake engine noises, and now fake gears? This is proof that EVs are trying too hard to win us over.
You’re too small minded you missed the entire point.😂
Dont knock it till you try it. Listen to what Jason Cammisa had to say about it - the guy is a respected auto journalist and a clear gearhead/petrolhead.
EV manufacturers have got every UA-camr on the planet reviewing their EV’s in hopes ONE person might buy LMAO. I don’t know how anyone thinking a car that’s powered by highly toxic and volatile chemicals was going to be better than the “toxic ICE vehicles” at least ICE fires can be easily extinguished and properly recycled which you can not do with an EV. What were we going to do with 500k toxic battery disposals annually. Americans are so naive
The batteries will ultimately be recycled. Thr vast majority of the battery can be reused.
Consider the profound irony. A more expensive car to simulate what already exists which is a more convenient car to own powered by gasoline. Even though this car reviewed is faster, lets pick a car like an Elantra N or Civic Type R at less than $50K as a basis for comparison.
But there is much more. The architecture of this car is still electric and with that comes all the aversion to owning an electric car from less range, to where to charge, added weight you mention, but biggest elephant in the room? The battery that degrades over time and what kind of depreciated hunk of metal you are left with after say 8 years. This is a throwaway $70K car when the battery needs replacement because of the dramatic depreciation of electric cars including Tesla's.
Let's say you don't want to own it but lease it and not worry about the uber expensive 70+ KW/hr battery needing to be replaced with much higher cost than an engine replacement in a gas car that isn't a foregone conclusion in 8 years. Who in their right mind wants to lease a car that it harder to charge, takes longer to charge and has less range than a gas car? What is the point?
Truth is, EV's are dumb. Lots of dumb Americans, some of whom have bought them and regretted doing so.
As an automotive engineer, I appreciate your review and discussion about this maybe first foray into 'simulating' a performance gas car in an EV. It is at its best a feat of engineering and at its worse a joke and sad commentary on people that would consider one...lol.
lol you sound like a graduate of Trump “University” 😂
@@TimothySims-it5lf I just hope a sucker like you buys an EV of any ilk. That is called poetic justice.