Blaine you big ol' Beast, let me just pin this comment so people understand we're not just talking shit annnndd so that they can go see your pretty high bar squats!
Great idea :D btw did you watch Zack Telanders video on "If strength sports were people" ua-cam.com/video/9FXG5qHwTWg/v-deo.html . Really put this to the edge and sure tells something. Great video from Sikastan, thanks guys!
Why do I sense sarcasm at 15:10 ? Crossfit has obviously just shown that an absurdly wide ranging exercise selection and high volumes of cardio are the key to delt and trap development in women. Such a revolution in sports science!
Infact i read study on crosscountry skiers whom's Type IIA musclefibers in their triceps were pretty huge compared to their other muscles. Why? Because double polling requires high amount of aerobic and strength qualities. It was the capillar density of their fiber which made their musclefibers pretty huge (big fiber requires lots of capillaries to be able to work aerobically). Same didn't happen with fibers in their quads. Why? Because strength requirements for legs are not there or something other? I don't know, but suspect the lack of strength requirement in quads. Look at some of the pictures of Marit Björgen as a female who did strength training for her upper body. Ofcourse she might have been under PEDs as well (=probably was). So i'm not totally against the idea that crossfitters have something in their sport's requirements which would make their upper body very muscular. Too muscular for conventional understandment, aka strength athletes who mainly specialize in sitting on their arses once they start to feel bit tired. Ps. Not denying the PED use, but suggesting that there actually might be something which "conventional" knowledge doesn't know.
@@Second247, what I think YOU are unaware of is that exogenous anabolic compounds tend to concentrate their effects in the trapezius muscle which makes them oversized compared to the rest of the physic - which I’m fairly positive the original commenter was alluding to.
@@travishouse5988 As i mentioned many times i don't take crossfitters to be natty, but i don't hink that doping isn't necessarily only, or even biggest, explanation why they have such a huge muscles. They do tons of hand stands and gymnastic stuff exposing their upper bodies to much more varied range of movements and loads, plus total volume, what "conventional" strength athletes do. As i said, in Crosscountry skiers can have huge muscle fibers in their triceps because of combined endurance and strength requirements. Crossfitters might have same with their shoulder girdle It is also possible that crossfit as a sport favors people with strong shoulders. An example: Crosscountry skiing at elite level requires huge amount of Vo2max, which 90% of people never dream of achieving. Is well developed Vo2max of crosscountry skiers a result of EPO? Even if we inject them with EPO. I think we know the answer, it's the best drug out there: Genetics. Sadly you can't buy it [Lu brays in his breeding stable provided by Chinese Government]. 90% of people can't have Vo2max of elite level endurance athlete no matter what they take and how they train. Same could hold true for Crossfit, you have to have potential in traps and delts to be able to have success in Crossfit. Drugs can help, but if your shoulder are shitty genetically you just can't make it up with drugs. Do they use drugs? Yes.
So, You’re telling me women with bigger muscles than most body builders, that essentially do nothing but cardio. Are on steroids? Pfft. It’s all hard work, dedication & vegan protein bruh.
Hmm they all lift weights every day. Olympic lifting is a big part of CrossFit. That’s why Tia Claire Toomey is both an Olympic athlete for weight lifting and also number 1 female cross fitter
@@johnanderson3731 hmm tell me you have no idea how cardio affects muscle growth rate, without telling me you have no idea how cardio affects muscle growth rate.
I'm so happy for such a plain and frank talk about this topic. Good to see someone who neither denies or demonize but just states the facts without having to go to extreme oponions.
Much to be said about the fact CF is seperate from other athletic disciplines in that it's highly commercialised by necessity because it's so niche. Watching the Games this year (I'm an amateur CrossFitter) there were ads constantly for so many different companies. They're even sponsored by the US military! If the sport wants to keep growing, there's no way they could let a very high-profile athlete get popped for doping. This is the sort of thing whistleblowers are needed for.
@@nolanhauck9390 oh yeah, 100%. That said, it isn’t fun to watch some athletes absolutely blow away the competition like it’s been the last however many years
@@nolanhauck9390 100% doping is prevalent in all sports and at this point if you got rid it of the sport would suffer b/c to put it simply the athletes just wouldn't be as good.
The comment about how certain bodies control whether a person actually gets popped is my argument as to why Usain Bolt never tested positive. It would be a huge hit to the Olympics if it came out that he wasn't clean after he was basically the face of athletics for so many years. It would also be quite naive to think that the fastest man ever was clean when the only times close to him were from other elite athletes who had tested positive for PEDs.
Yeah, multiple people in his training camp got popped. Also, the team trainer for the Jamaican national team was on one of the drug testing boards with WADA I believe.
THANK YOU for having frank discussions about how people are doping whether in CrossFit or Weightlifting. Being able to pass a test doesn't mean anything because everyone knows you can cheat tests numerous ways. Looking at CrossFit athletes, it would almost be stupid not to dope because everyone is most likely doing it and getting away with it and you gotta keep up somehow. P.S. I always figured your fictional person and his fictional female training partner that you didn't mention but may or may not exist were totally doping.
I always felt that Glassman's last gasp attempt to can the Games in 2018 was the fact that he could see increasing PED use in the CF competitive space and it clashed with his "health agenda"... also feel that with the Rozer as CEO the PED use will be seen as a brand threat and increasingly dealt with.... e.g. I reckon the multiple Teams drug busts this year were a warning to the individuals... as the lads were saying in the video, the change of the guard (esp.in the mens) means that CF can be more uniform and serious in their testing without having to compromise some big names that have lifted the brand in the past...
We will always support more Broderick Chavez, I honestly think he's one of the most important figures in sports whether the public eye knows it or not. Reminds me of Victor Conte for sure
@@ev1bl I don’t know how viable that is as I’m sure it would get him in trouble, but I get your point 100%. He reminds me of Rodchenkov and his style makes me at least WANT to believe him
@@Bertone4884 Yeah he cant really prove it. But that also means theres no way to know if he knows what he talks about. To me, the way he speaks just doesnt make him seem credible.
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the USAPL/IPF fallout in drug-tested powerlifting. There has been a big fallout. Essentially the USAPL do their own drug testing on the local level, but allow the IPF to control the drug testing that happens when USAPL lifters compete internationally. The USAPL do the most out-of-competition testing by far compared to the IPF affiliates in other countries (I know a UK lifter who has competed internationally but has never been drug tested). The USAPL out-of-competition tests are not sanctioned by the IPF and IIRC are not as detailed as WADA level testing, so the IPF dropping the USAPL as an IPF affiliate because the USAPL still want to do this out of competition testing. I believe that the USAPL would not be able to do WADA level testing as frequently as their current testing, due to the cost. It's a big loss because the USAPL contains a lot of drug-tested powerlifting talent, and their drug testing out-of-competition seems to be magnitudes more frequent than other countries.
At the moment we don't really 'know' anything that is not public information in regards the IPF. While we coach powerlifters we're not in depth in the scene for top IPF lifters and are blissfully unaware of the politics.
I think a lot of recreational dopers who are coaches do it as a type of marketing, which is fine except when they're not open about it and they create unrealistic expectations for their athletes
@@fusiongains haha that’s a fair comment but I wouldn’t exactly trust Google for some drugs that I’m going to consume! But I wouldn’t know how you find these illegal doctors who can advice you and make sure you’re not killing yourself. Anyway it’s mute, I’m too old to worry PEDs lol.
I wouldn't be surprised if CrossFit is protecting the highest and biggest personalities in the sport while simultaneously "catching" the smaller and lesser known top athletes as a way to try to create the illusion of "oh look, the athletes who do use PEDs are being caught, which means that no one else could possibly be using". Just think of all of the teams that got popped this past year alone
Invictus team got popped and they’ve been big in team since the start! wouldn’t they have kept Ricky Garads doping secret? Also the Greek female in 2019 that placed 10th?
Well you’ll probably need an air bike to do some extensive training first then you want to make sure you can do at least 15m worth of handstand push-ups just in case you fall off and hurt your legs, then you want to do a maximal effort snatch right after because you never know when something really heavy might get stuck in the road, then you want to pick up your recently acquired air bike, put it on your back and do some sprints up a hill to ensure you have adequate conditioning. After that you should be good to plan your cycle, make sure to wear a helmet and bring lots of water to stay hydrated.
@@alexmoon3130 honestly! When I was doing my undergrad in sports science I had a teacher for a subject that featured doping heavily say "we're basically teaching you why people would use PEDs, how to find PEDs and how they cycle. But I know that by teaching you this if you're smart enough were essentially teaching you how to avoid being found out" he said it for a laugh but man it was true!
Great video - agree 100%. I love CrossFit in the sense of the training method and the camaraderie of the gym environment, but the cult-like fan boi’s and the commercialisation via HQ are bollocks. Also fake natty status of the top athletes is a disgrace: Froning and Bailey suggesting their performance comes from religious faith is just an insult to religion and intellect. Also, I saw Matt Fraser chew out Ricky G on a podcast a few years ago and lost all respect for the guy. It was a Lance Armstrong level of bullshit
Would love to see a doping for dummies video. For me 'doping' or PEDs is phrase I hear a lot but don't really know what it means. What are these drugs? How do people take them? What do they actually do? What are the side effects and risks? How can we tell that people are on them? Have you guys ever tried them?
Anabolic steroids, mostly. Methandienone, nandrolone, and so on... You can buy them easy in some countries, in others not so easy, but they're generally available everywhere. They have many side effects, but when you are young and stupid and you just want to get stronger or faster, you don't care much about the side effects...
I’ve done steroids. I’m just a recreational powerlifter , glorified gym rat really . I first got on testosterone at 39 as I was deficient so I went to my doctor and did TRT which was amazing and made me feel a lot better . I became curious after that and experimented with a variety of compounds in the ensuing years… Some stuff gives you raw strength , others can improve cardio and everything in between … If I was going to CrossFit the compounds I would use would be equipoise and Turinabol with a testosterone base …Equipoise increases red blood cell count and makes cardio a lot easier . Turinabol has a similar effect (thou I’m unsure of the bio mechanics behind it - it was extensively used in East German olympic program) You need testosterone base for certain amount of estrogen conversion on top of testosterone to keep your body happy as the other steroids will stop your bodies natural production… There’s alot more too it then this and keep in mind And of course there are moral implications as well - I was always in competition with myself just trying to lift more then last time so I didn’t have any moral qualms with using steroids . Used carefully and under Doctors care they improved my life. I’ll be on testosterone the rest of my life and I’m ok with that too - I wouldent want to go back.
It's also a matter of IPF affiliates being whiny bitches people don't want to deal with, so even people who compete tested often do so in other feds if such alternatives exists where they live.
You guys should do a video called "is it naive to be natty". Basically discuss the pros and cons of your average recreational athlete getting on the gear. I hear lots of moral reasons and scare mongering but not much actual talk of minimum effective doses, performance and aesthetic benefits and negative health risks. I know the data is not great but still worth investigating. I'm kinda starting to think the only reason I've been so against them is because society has told me they are bad. No real actual analysis of if it's worth it. Obviously legality adds another layer of complexity.
In terms of PED’s, the reason they are banned by WADA is because it has a lot of negative side effects no matter the dose. I’ve even asked my pharmacology professor in med school about it and he just outright said “don’t even THINK about using it”. Now I wish I was more knowledgable about the physiology and drug interactions PEDs have on the body but I agree that a “Is it naive to be natty” video should be made
It’s pretty complicated. Obviously many of the compounds when abused have massive health risks. On the other hand a case could be made that for an athlete who is training 4-8h a day some degree of medication would be beneficial from a health perspective to counteract overtraining damage. Being a competitive athlete is not necessarily healthy drugs or not.
I am a former WL'er and now CF'er and the doping is indeed bad, especially at the games level. The amount of HGH gut on women in particular is clear and obvious. It is a weird one though, like you said, it is in CF's best interest not to out their top athletes, but it makes you kind of feel for the ones that do get popped.
I felt so bad for Ricky Garrard a few years back, he was the scape goat, the "see, we will drop and name people on the podium so that's not an excuse you all can say anymore" like they're all doing it just in denial but as a rookie Australian he was an easy one to use. Plus he's not the brightest spark, he's the one person who I think could be taking sARMS and have genuinely no idea it's doping 🤣🤣
Man I can't believe Schmáté Schmásér was taking drugs all this time. That's terrible. Luckily true athletes like Mat Fraser or Tia Clair Toomey don't need them.
If crossfit says doping is not common then introduce independent testing for the top 20 finishers . They wont because it'll destroy the Glassmann money pit should they fail.
I’m so over anti-doping simply because it’s so disingenuous and unfair. There is no way to stop it completely so it just gives the advantage to people with more resources to avoid getting popped or a higher risk tolerance. If it were opened up of course this would still be true in the sense of an arms race for the best protocols etc. but at least we’d be honest with ourselves and more transparent.
Can we visit the separated city of Staginingrad? Great video once again. Find it absolutely crazy that most people, crossfitters included, believe they can achieve the same levels of cardio fitness and strength while being totally clean. “Nah bro it’s just this CBD and training hard”
The only athlete I think that won that wasn’t doping, s Ben smith 2015 champion. Y’all should do a snatch and clean and jerk analyses on him. His consistency is why I still do CrossFit
I would find it interesting if you guys went into data-driven analysis of doping in the CF Games. Say, comparing performance, adaptations, body changes or whatever you'd deem a good metric to use. Nothing bad about the tier system presented here, just kind of superficial. Maye a collab with MorePlatesMoreDates or something of the sorts.
I don't think Fraser ha taken any banned substances while those substances were banned. Every single World Champion athlete however has taken the most extreme substances that are still legal. Each year WADA/USADA add new substances to the banned substances list, at which point he will most likely have stopped taking those substances. So technically never taken a banned substance, but has definitely taken substances in the past when they were legal, which are now banned.
I'm in my late 20s, started crossfit a couple years back. No interest in competitions, just improving my strength and body. I've considered PED use as a shortcut. Haven't used any (yet). I'm a bit concerned by the health risks, but since I don't do competitions I don't care about the morals of it
Nothing wrong with this so long as your safe, get your toes wet with TRT medically prescribed dose..this will acclimate your body to it and you can see how your body deals with a medical dose and titrate up from there. You could do a couple mild cycles a year and remain under your doctors care and get the blood work done and everything that goes with it.
I've always wondered why there aren't many "Natty or Not" videos floating around about Rich Froning. People obviously pick names for those videos that will get enough UA-cam clicks, and you'd think his name would be one. I love the guy, but it seems impossible to me that he can train the way that the documentaries on him claim that he does and not get absolutely pummeled into the ground and unable to recover unless he's on gear, no matter how hyper-elite his genetics and work capacity developed over the years are.
Because UA-cam is filled with dumb gymbros and "powerlifters" that don't understand the level of performance Crossfit elite athletes are at in terms of strength and cardio conditioning, two concurrent disciplines. People still use the argument that "tHeY'rE nOt EvEn TahT BiG!11!".
I have the sick wish that if the CF stars and legends are doping then they will get caught, like Lars Armstrong. But in Froning's case that hipocrisy would be a little bit more disturbing because he is a christian. I do not say christians have superior morals, but they say they have just that.
Question Re: The women's reigning champ for a number of years, as she is also an olympic athlete, is it possible that she has timed things perfectly enough to avoid getting popped?
Just look at the women in the CrossFit Games. All 'Desperate Dan' jawlines and solid traps with all that man juice swilling inside them! Absolutely hilarious stuff!
Such a shame how many people are blind to how many people will be doped, not at the Games but in the off-season. Their level of strength of fitness is simply not natural. Look at the Brazilian guy this year who snatched 305 at age 21. His training partner (and maybe also his girlfriend) was freaking busted for PED…
As I get older am more interested in 60+ CF athletes. Surely these guys are doing TRT. I accept that people are better athletes than me but to get in the volume that these people do must take some kind of enhancement to recover from the training volume..
The reality is sadder: we just get less fit. I'm 43 and there's no way I can keep up with the 35 year olds etc. that's why they are age categories. 60 year old Crossfitters make no money off this - not sure there is much incentive. Limited upside, near unlimited downside - not just the community, but their own family will despise a cheater. Not sure many would go for that kind of risk/reward tradeoff
@@BernhardKohli I live in the UK and TRT prescribed by a doctor would require some symptoms of low testosterone. From what I have seen of the US TRT is seen as a lifestyle choice. They only have Test levels that they would have had in their 40's due to the treatment therefore it may not be even seen as cheating. Frankly I have considered it myself.
pretty spot on
Blaine you big ol' Beast, let me just pin this comment so people understand we're not just talking shit annnndd so that they can go see your pretty high bar squats!
@@sikastrength does that mean Blaine, a Team USA athlete, is also doping ?
@@hfbk858 I sucked at CrossFit
@@Blainemcconnell One day I hope to suck at anything the way you sucked at Crossfit.
Honestly, with all the PEDs in CF and weightlifting, I'm gonna have to find a nice clean sport, like strongman...
Great idea :D btw did you watch Zack Telanders video on "If strength sports were people" ua-cam.com/video/9FXG5qHwTWg/v-deo.html . Really put this to the edge and sure tells something. Great video from Sikastan, thanks guys!
@@davidcoburn9645 yes, that was hilarious!
Nah try cycling.
try chinese chess
@@gabrielkok9208 😂😂😂
Why do I sense sarcasm at 15:10 ? Crossfit has obviously just shown that an absurdly wide ranging exercise selection and high volumes of cardio are the key to delt and trap development in women. Such a revolution in sports science!
XD
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Infact i read study on crosscountry skiers whom's Type IIA musclefibers in their triceps were pretty huge compared to their other muscles. Why? Because double polling requires high amount of aerobic and strength qualities. It was the capillar density of their fiber which made their musclefibers pretty huge (big fiber requires lots of capillaries to be able to work aerobically). Same didn't happen with fibers in their quads. Why? Because strength requirements for legs are not there or something other? I don't know, but suspect the lack of strength requirement in quads.
Look at some of the pictures of Marit Björgen as a female who did strength training for her upper body. Ofcourse she might have been under PEDs as well (=probably was).
So i'm not totally against the idea that crossfitters have something in their sport's requirements which would make their upper body very muscular. Too muscular for conventional understandment, aka strength athletes who mainly specialize in sitting on their arses once they start to feel bit tired.
Ps. Not denying the PED use, but suggesting that there actually might be something which "conventional" knowledge doesn't know.
@@Second247, what I think YOU are unaware of is that exogenous anabolic compounds tend to concentrate their effects in the trapezius muscle which makes them oversized compared to the rest of the physic - which I’m fairly positive the original commenter was alluding to.
@@travishouse5988 As i mentioned many times i don't take crossfitters to be natty, but i don't hink that doping isn't necessarily only, or even biggest, explanation why they have such a huge muscles.
They do tons of hand stands and gymnastic stuff exposing their upper bodies to much more varied range of movements and loads, plus total volume, what "conventional" strength athletes do.
As i said, in Crosscountry skiers can have huge muscle fibers in their triceps because of combined endurance and strength requirements. Crossfitters might have same with their shoulder girdle
It is also possible that crossfit as a sport favors people with strong shoulders. An example: Crosscountry skiing at elite level requires huge amount of Vo2max, which 90% of people never dream of achieving. Is well developed Vo2max of crosscountry skiers a result of EPO? Even if we inject them with EPO. I think we know the answer, it's the best drug out there: Genetics. Sadly you can't buy it [Lu brays in his breeding stable provided by Chinese Government].
90% of people can't have Vo2max of elite level endurance athlete no matter what they take and how they train. Same could hold true for Crossfit, you have to have potential in traps and delts to be able to have success in Crossfit. Drugs can help, but if your shoulder are shitty genetically you just can't make it up with drugs.
Do they use drugs? Yes.
So, You’re telling me women with bigger muscles than most body builders, that essentially do nothing but cardio. Are on steroids? Pfft. It’s all hard work, dedication & vegan protein bruh.
XD
As they're crossfitters it would be paleo protein. Not even sure what that is, maybe powdered elk?
They just get 8 hours of sleep bro
Hmm they all lift weights every day. Olympic lifting is a big part of CrossFit. That’s why Tia Claire Toomey is both an Olympic athlete for weight lifting and also number 1 female cross fitter
@@johnanderson3731 hmm tell me you have no idea how cardio affects muscle growth rate, without telling me you have no idea how cardio affects muscle growth rate.
I'm so happy for such a plain and frank talk about this topic. Good to see someone who neither denies or demonize but just states the facts without having to go to extreme oponions.
Much to be said about the fact CF is seperate from other athletic disciplines in that it's highly commercialised by necessity because it's so niche. Watching the Games this year (I'm an amateur CrossFitter) there were ads constantly for so many different companies. They're even sponsored by the US military! If the sport wants to keep growing, there's no way they could let a very high-profile athlete get popped for doping. This is the sort of thing whistleblowers are needed for.
Wouldn‘t be as fun to watch if they weren‘t on gear tho
@@nolanhauck9390 oh yeah, 100%. That said, it isn’t fun to watch some athletes absolutely blow away the competition like it’s been the last however many years
@@harrywalker6593 even the people using are on gear , look at the past winners , ex olympians plus gear lol
@@nolanhauck9390 100% doping is prevalent in all sports and at this point if you got rid it of the sport would suffer b/c to put it simply the athletes just wouldn't be as good.
I’m thinking maybe Stagingrad is the capitol of Sikastan.
Stagingrad and St Sikasburg are in the running
The comment about how certain bodies control whether a person actually gets popped is my argument as to why Usain Bolt never tested positive. It would be a huge hit to the Olympics if it came out that he wasn't clean after he was basically the face of athletics for so many years.
It would also be quite naive to think that the fastest man ever was clean when the only times close to him were from other elite athletes who had tested positive for PEDs.
Yeah, multiple people in his training camp got popped. Also, the team trainer for the Jamaican national team was on one of the drug testing boards with WADA I believe.
Lol.... Surely no one believes Bolt was natty
THANK YOU for having frank discussions about how people are doping whether in CrossFit or Weightlifting. Being able to pass a test doesn't mean anything because everyone knows you can cheat tests numerous ways. Looking at CrossFit athletes, it would almost be stupid not to dope because everyone is most likely doing it and getting away with it and you gotta keep up somehow.
P.S. I always figured your fictional person and his fictional female training partner that you didn't mention but may or may not exist were totally doping.
We don't know who you're talking about.......
"Nah you guys are wrong, also Brian Shaw and Tom Stoltman are natty. #cleansports"
7:05 Cannot put into words how adorable this was :D
The gay shipping starts here
We need a Sikastan-MPMD crossover podcast.
I always felt that Glassman's last gasp attempt to can the Games in 2018 was the fact that he could see increasing PED use in the CF competitive space and it clashed with his "health agenda"... also feel that with the Rozer as CEO the PED use will be seen as a brand threat and increasingly dealt with.... e.g. I reckon the multiple Teams drug busts this year were a warning to the individuals... as the lads were saying in the video, the change of the guard (esp.in the mens) means that CF can be more uniform and serious in their testing without having to compromise some big names that have lifted the brand in the past...
We will always support more Broderick Chavez, I honestly think he's one of the most important figures in sports whether the public eye knows it or not. Reminds me of Victor Conte for sure
Id like to see some evidence that Broderick actually works with tested athletes. To me he seems not really legitimate.
@@ev1bl I don’t know how viable that is as I’m sure it would get him in trouble, but I get your point 100%. He reminds me of Rodchenkov and his style makes me at least WANT to believe him
@@Bertone4884 Yeah he cant really prove it. But that also means theres no way to know if he knows what he talks about. To me, the way he speaks just doesnt make him seem credible.
@leoandlongevity may disagree
Broderick is a man of lies. He gives unimportant info to sound intelligent and uses his claims of secret athletes to appear as an authority.
You guys seem to have a pretty good time telling the truth about steroids in athletics. I'm into it. Get the sikastan shirts made and take my money.
Man it ain’t PEDs!!!
They just get 9 hours of sleep and eat clean bro
Just creatine man!
Love you guys discussing the whole topic openly. Finally, I have something to link to people who always insist on crossfit to be a clean sport
I love that you are going to refer people to a video where people are literally just stating their opinion with no facts to back it up LOL.
This video is awesome! Id like to hear about sprinters and distance running.
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the USAPL/IPF fallout in drug-tested powerlifting. There has been a big fallout. Essentially the USAPL do their own drug testing on the local level, but allow the IPF to control the drug testing that happens when USAPL lifters compete internationally. The USAPL do the most out-of-competition testing by far compared to the IPF affiliates in other countries (I know a UK lifter who has competed internationally but has never been drug tested). The USAPL out-of-competition tests are not sanctioned by the IPF and IIRC are not as detailed as WADA level testing, so the IPF dropping the USAPL as an IPF affiliate because the USAPL still want to do this out of competition testing. I believe that the USAPL would not be able to do WADA level testing as frequently as their current testing, due to the cost. It's a big loss because the USAPL contains a lot of drug-tested powerlifting talent, and their drug testing out-of-competition seems to be magnitudes more frequent than other countries.
This!
Seconded!
At the moment we don't really 'know' anything that is not public information in regards the IPF. While we coach powerlifters we're not in depth in the scene for top IPF lifters and are blissfully unaware of the politics.
I think a lot of recreational dopers who are coaches do it as a type of marketing, which is fine except when they're not open about it and they create unrealistic expectations for their athletes
Do powerlifers plz, ipf in particular
Ah yes your Kyle Dosterschills and Girth Brooks
I’m a CrossFit coach and I wouldn’t even know where to find SARMS and I really doubt most of the coaches I know would either.
@@wleng you wouldn't know how to google "buy sarms"?
@@fusiongains haha that’s a fair comment but I wouldn’t exactly trust Google for some drugs that I’m going to consume! But I wouldn’t know how you find these illegal doctors who can advice you and make sure you’re not killing yourself. Anyway it’s mute, I’m too old to worry PEDs lol.
"strength, power, speed, endurance......crossfitters are a f**king UNICORN" - Broderick Chavez
I wouldn't be surprised if CrossFit is protecting the highest and biggest personalities in the sport while simultaneously "catching" the smaller and lesser known top athletes as a way to try to create the illusion of "oh look, the athletes who do use PEDs are being caught, which means that no one else could possibly be using". Just think of all of the teams that got popped this past year alone
Invictus team got popped and they’ve been big in team since the start! wouldn’t they have kept Ricky Garads doping secret? Also the Greek female in 2019 that placed 10th?
@@cristianfaison8238 sacrificial lambs. Everyone is doping.
i will show this video to guys at our cf box just to make them mad and try to think about stupid excuses
How would one plan a cycle for Crossfit? Asking for a friend…
Well you’ll probably need an air bike to do some extensive training first then you want to make sure you can do at least 15m worth of handstand push-ups just in case you fall off and hurt your legs, then you want to do a maximal effort snatch right after because you never know when something really heavy might get stuck in the road, then you want to pick up your recently acquired air bike, put it on your back and do some sprints up a hill to ensure you have adequate conditioning.
After that you should be good to plan your cycle, make sure to wear a helmet and bring lots of water to stay hydrated.
As with anything like this that’s dangerous if you fuck up and don’t know what you’re doing, you get a coach.
@@matthewmckee6289 Bruh💀
@@alexmoon3130 honestly! When I was doing my undergrad in sports science I had a teacher for a subject that featured doping heavily say "we're basically teaching you why people would use PEDs, how to find PEDs and how they cycle. But I know that by teaching you this if you're smart enough were essentially teaching you how to avoid being found out" he said it for a laugh but man it was true!
Hahaha the plug for your crossfit program at the end. Best part of that is that I’m confident that it is waaaay more effective than WOTD’s!
Great video - agree 100%. I love CrossFit in the sense of the training method and the camaraderie of the gym environment, but the cult-like fan boi’s and the commercialisation via HQ are bollocks. Also fake natty status of the top athletes is a disgrace: Froning and Bailey suggesting their performance comes from religious faith is just an insult to religion and intellect. Also, I saw Matt Fraser chew out Ricky G on a podcast a few years ago and lost all respect for the guy. It was a Lance Armstrong level of bullshit
Would love to see a doping for dummies video. For me 'doping' or PEDs is phrase I hear a lot but don't really know what it means. What are these drugs? How do people take them? What do they actually do? What are the side effects and risks? How can we tell that people are on them? Have you guys ever tried them?
Anabolic steroids, mostly. Methandienone, nandrolone, and so on... You can buy them easy in some countries, in others not so easy, but they're generally available everywhere. They have many side effects, but when you are young and stupid and you just want to get stronger or faster, you don't care much about the side effects...
You should watch More Plates More Dates
@@nolanhauck9390 Ding ding. He does a great job breaking it down to normie level
I’ve done steroids. I’m just a recreational powerlifter , glorified gym rat really . I first got on testosterone at 39 as I was deficient so I went to my doctor and did TRT which was amazing and made me feel a lot better . I became curious after that and experimented with a variety of compounds in the ensuing years…
Some stuff gives you raw strength , others can improve cardio and everything in between …
If I was going to CrossFit the compounds I would use would be equipoise and Turinabol with a testosterone base …Equipoise increases red blood cell count and makes cardio a lot easier . Turinabol has a similar effect (thou I’m unsure of the bio mechanics behind it - it was extensively used in East German olympic program)
You need testosterone base for certain amount of estrogen conversion on top of testosterone to keep your body happy as the other steroids will stop your bodies natural production…
There’s alot more too it then this and keep in mind And of course there are moral implications as well - I was always in competition with myself just trying to lift more then last time so I didn’t have any moral qualms with using steroids . Used carefully and under Doctors care they improved my life. I’ll be on testosterone the rest of my life and I’m ok with that too - I wouldent want to go back.
Perhaps a video on this from a powerlifting perspective where there are tested (lol) and non-tested federations?
it seems like the ipf is doing a good job in drug testing though. Looking on difference between ipf records and open records, the gap is pretty big
@@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162 could be the effects of being able to use whatever you want Vs being limited by trying to hide it for tests
It's also a matter of IPF affiliates being whiny bitches people don't want to deal with, so even people who compete tested often do so in other feds if such alternatives exists where they live.
Love these types of videos! Glory to Sikastan!!
Did they do a version of this for powerlifting? Would be very curious how it works in that sport
You guys should do a video called "is it naive to be natty".
Basically discuss the pros and cons of your average recreational athlete getting on the gear.
I hear lots of moral reasons and scare mongering but not much actual talk of minimum effective doses, performance and aesthetic benefits and negative health risks.
I know the data is not great but still worth investigating.
I'm kinda starting to think the only reason I've been so against them is because society has told me they are bad. No real actual analysis of if it's worth it.
Obviously legality adds another layer of complexity.
In terms of PED’s, the reason they are banned by WADA is because it has a lot of negative side effects no matter the dose. I’ve even asked my pharmacology professor in med school about it and he just outright said “don’t even THINK about using it”. Now I wish I was more knowledgable about the physiology and drug interactions PEDs have on the body but I agree that a “Is it naive to be natty” video should be made
It’s pretty complicated. Obviously many of the compounds when abused have massive health risks. On the other hand a case could be made that for an athlete who is training 4-8h a day some degree of medication would be beneficial from a health perspective to counteract overtraining damage. Being a competitive athlete is not necessarily healthy drugs or not.
15:10 - best phrase on doping in the history of sport. Period. Sir I doth my cap.
Screw la Vuelta. This is the only cycling content i need.
I am a former WL'er and now CF'er and the doping is indeed bad, especially at the games level. The amount of HGH gut on women in particular is clear and obvious. It is a weird one though, like you said, it is in CF's best interest not to out their top athletes, but it makes you kind of feel for the ones that do get popped.
I felt so bad for Ricky Garrard a few years back, he was the scape goat, the "see, we will drop and name people on the podium so that's not an excuse you all can say anymore" like they're all doing it just in denial but as a rookie Australian he was an easy one to use. Plus he's not the brightest spark, he's the one person who I think could be taking sARMS and have genuinely no idea it's doping 🤣🤣
The turtle shell bellies at the recent CF games were so blatant; it's like they're even trying to pretend anymore.
@@neversaw 100%
Fitch Rroning=all natty. We can all agree that the Icelandic ladies with delts bigger than Big Ramy's=all natty.
12:20 Tier 4: Tia Claire Toomey
Man I can't believe Schmáté Schmásér was taking drugs all this time. That's terrible. Luckily true athletes like Mat Fraser or Tia Clair Toomey don't need them.
Wait till you hear about Pat Paser
Lmao. 😂
If crossfit says doping is not common then introduce independent testing for the top 20 finishers .
They wont because it'll destroy the Glassmann money pit should they fail.
I’m so over anti-doping simply because it’s so disingenuous and unfair.
There is no way to stop it completely so it just gives the advantage to people with more resources to avoid getting popped or a higher risk tolerance. If it were opened up of course this would still be true in the sense of an arms race for the best protocols etc. but at least we’d be honest with ourselves and more transparent.
Can we visit the separated city of Staginingrad?
Great video once again. Find it absolutely crazy that most people, crossfitters included, believe they can achieve the same levels of cardio fitness and strength while being totally clean. “Nah bro it’s just this CBD and training hard”
The only athlete I think that won that wasn’t doping, s Ben smith 2015 champion. Y’all should do a snatch and clean and jerk analyses on him. His consistency is why I still do CrossFit
Awesome vid guys! Was waiting for this one!
Great video lads. Can we have a video on doping in GAA and/or rugby and/or soccer?
True story. Lance Armstrong won an even playing field.
Oh...Boxing and Doping. A retrospective. Juicy Evander was a weapon...
New mic is great sound quality much better. But please get a shock mount! Every time you knock or touch the table it reverbs through the mic
Best video I saw today 😀 well presented and entertaining!!
You could talk about the lack of peds in the biggest sport ever, soccer
It’s a results business 😏
I would find it interesting if you guys went into data-driven analysis of doping in the CF Games. Say, comparing performance, adaptations, body changes or whatever you'd deem a good metric to use. Nothing bad about the tier system presented here, just kind of superficial. Maye a collab with MorePlatesMoreDates or something of the sorts.
90%!! That's more than I would've thought.
Very good video! Would you do the same style of a video for powerlifting?
Thank you for always keeping it real.
the blue yeti sounds way better!
I know theres some familiarity with the people but an overview of the Hybrid squad would be interesting.
I don't think Fraser ha taken any banned substances while those substances were banned. Every single World Champion athlete however has taken the most extreme substances that are still legal. Each year WADA/USADA add new substances to the banned substances list, at which point he will most likely have stopped taking those substances. So technically never taken a banned substance, but has definitely taken substances in the past when they were legal, which are now banned.
I'm in my late 20s, started crossfit a couple years back.
No interest in competitions, just improving my strength and body.
I've considered PED use as a shortcut.
Haven't used any (yet).
I'm a bit concerned by the health risks, but since I don't do competitions I don't care about the morals of it
Nothing wrong with this so long as your safe, get your toes wet with TRT medically prescribed dose..this will acclimate your body to it and you can see how your body deals with a medical dose and titrate up from there. You could do a couple mild cycles a year and remain under your doctors care and get the blood work done and everything that goes with it.
I got drug tested 3 times this year and 4 times last year.
I just laugh when people stick with the clean sport narrative now. Sometimes I think people really wanna believe it
I agree it's naive to think it doesn't exist in sports, but it's just as naive to think that an athlete is doping just because they're successful
@@leighbruz9794 thank you! Everyone is so quick to accuse all athletes of doping.
@@leighbruz9794 it says more about the person saying it. They just have no concept of real hard work and real dedication
I've always wondered why there aren't many "Natty or Not" videos floating around about Rich Froning. People obviously pick names for those videos that will get enough UA-cam clicks, and you'd think his name would be one. I love the guy, but it seems impossible to me that he can train the way that the documentaries on him claim that he does and not get absolutely pummeled into the ground and unable to recover unless he's on gear, no matter how hyper-elite his genetics and work capacity developed over the years are.
Because UA-cam is filled with dumb gymbros and "powerlifters" that don't understand the level of performance Crossfit elite athletes are at in terms of strength and cardio conditioning, two concurrent disciplines.
People still use the argument that "tHeY'rE nOt EvEn TahT BiG!11!".
Jesus is the reason
I have the sick wish that if the CF stars and legends are doping then they will get caught, like Lars Armstrong. But in Froning's case that hipocrisy would be a little bit more disturbing because he is a christian. I do not say christians have superior morals, but they say they have just that.
@@iwanvickery6547 what does this mean?
@@nero3901 it was a joke that Jesus have him his gifts not steroids
I hope he is natural I really like him
Question Re: The women's reigning champ for a number of years, as she is also an olympic athlete, is it possible that she has timed things perfectly enough to avoid getting popped?
Again the Republic of Sikastan showing knowledge that dwarfs the likes of Wada charlatans
This video was hilarious and honest. Love it 😂😂😂
Interesting discussion, I enjoyed it.
Just look at the women in the CrossFit Games. All 'Desperate Dan' jawlines and solid traps with all that man juice swilling inside them!
Absolutely hilarious stuff!
Facts. Don't forget hgh gut
The thumbnail is superb
Wild as speculation.
i, for one, am in favor of a united Sikastan
Awesome 👌 loved it
There is only one tier to strongman. Take what you want, when you want, in the quantities you want.
I would wonder how well I/o catheterization and bladder irrigation could help pass a test.
what do u think about chris duffins "unconventional training methods"
Would be interested to know about doping in powerlifting, are the levels and systems similar?
Thanks for making a video about this.
Seems like every athletic sport/ competition
I can’t imagine Haley Adams is doping. If she were using she would hit higher weights
young men…the cheesecake went straight to your noggins. 😊 keep smiling and having fun. It’s very entertaining and quite informative
peace
The glasses coming off at 15:33 is so confrontational
ur forgetting the ufc too
I think that none of the current world records in any sport are humanly possible without drugs. Isn't that true?
Assume daire is big spoon
Believe they send the tests to usada for examination. Should be a quality test, right..?
how many usada test for l armstrong ?
the doping test it is a bullshit
Do powerlifting next
Shouldn’t two of the cities be name Murphygrad and Fitzgrad?
What’s the documentary they’re talking about at the end of the video about CrossFit and Ricky Garard?
Redeemed and the Dominant
Cheers
I mean how lean all these people stay year round while always improving tells you everything you need to know lol.
Theoreticals are great
Do you think this is the same with the majority of the female athletes too?
An offering to algorithmic gods.
Do Powerlifting next plz, ipf in particular
"LOADS OF PEOPLE" Reverb maxed
Such a shame how many people are blind to how many people will be doped, not at the Games but in the off-season. Their level of strength of fitness is simply not natural. Look at the Brazilian guy this year who snatched 305 at age 21. His training partner (and maybe also his girlfriend) was freaking busted for PED…
Love it. Do an IPF episode next 😂
My question would be how much of an advantage doping is jn crossfit compared to other sports.
Any sport thats directly measuring performance is a sport where doping is a huge advantage
Great anonymous thumbnail
Super interesting.
Thought this was very entertaining and interesting
As I get older am more interested in 60+ CF athletes. Surely these guys are doing TRT. I accept that people are better athletes than me but to get in the volume that these people do must take some kind of enhancement to recover from the training volume..
The reality is sadder: we just get less fit. I'm 43 and there's no way I can keep up with the 35 year olds etc. that's why they are age categories. 60 year old Crossfitters make no money off this - not sure there is much incentive. Limited upside, near unlimited downside - not just the community, but their own family will despise a cheater. Not sure many would go for that kind of risk/reward tradeoff
@@BernhardKohli I live in the UK and TRT prescribed by a doctor would require some symptoms of low testosterone. From what I have seen of the US TRT is seen as a lifestyle choice. They only have Test levels that they would have had in their 40's due to the treatment therefore it may not be even seen as cheating. Frankly I have considered it myself.
Very good video
All hail the glorious capital of Sikagrad, where Wada is the only thing that is banned!
Would be fun if you invited some of the people you are talking about to defend themselves and have a lively debate!