Turkish Vickers: A Gun With All the Widgets!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2019
- During World War One, the Ottoman Empire would join the war on the side of the Central Powers, in part because of a decision by the British Navy to seize a pair of battleships under construction for the Ottomans in the UK. This also caused the Ottoman military to adopt the 1909 Maxim as their standard machine gun, purchasing them from DWM in Germany. Once commercial sales ended in 1916, they would continue to use German MG08 and MG08/15 machine guns provided as military aid.
When World War Two broke out, England (and Winston Churchill personally) very much wanted to avoid a repeat of the the previous war. In an effort to build an alliance with Turkey, they provided nearly 1200 like-new refurbished Vickers machine guns to Turkey.
The Turks had outfitted their previous inventory of Maxims with an assortment of accessories, and these were added to the new Vickers guns. In addition to being rechambered for the 8x57mm Mauser cartridge, Turkey added antiaircraft sights, ZF12 optical sights, and MG 08/15 drum brackets, and completely rebuilt the tripods to make them more stable and add antiaircraft capability.
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biz türklerin en sevdigi sey hahahaha
Dıli Vdik Hakan English please
@@louisbeerreviews8964 It's kinda like
+Which one do you want?
-Yes
@@karakizan bir daha kelime veya cümle çevirme lütfen, teşekkürler.
@@celestialcolosseum doğru çevirmiş
"Bad luck you don't have any battleships, old boy" has been British foreign policy since 1500
RULE BRITANNIA
>Tough in 1500 the most powerful boy in Europe was Portugal and close second was Spain but OK
Hahaha
Several countries had ships confiscated in this manner
They were paid and the ships were returned after the war. Turkey really wanted their ships, one of them had been paid for by public donations.
Well aren't you lot a barrel of laughs?!
Gun builder: So what do you want on your machine gun?
Turkey: Yes
Scott Broyles ok. That made me laugh.
Regards,
Marky
@@John1911 Never seen such a formal youtube comment before.
I am turkish That is funny.
ulan sdgflkşvbmdasgfbaetd
@@SweetyVoltyy ben anlamadım ki
Imagine all of the killstreaks needed, to unlock all of those mods.
Unmounted, it looks identical to MG '08 in WW2 game... seeing it up close makes me say no way is that run and gun portable.
You need 75 headshots for the spider sights
Kill 10 soldiers with underbarrel and unlock the bayonet, destroy a tank unlock the welder.
@@volkan585 get 10 headshots for the AA sights
Nicolas Preciado in 100 headshots 10x scope
British: What can they do? They ain't got no battleships.
Turkey: *GALLIPOLIS*
@nik pik 1915 galipoli in gayreek soldier: oh ı can 't swim GLUK GLUL GLUK
nik pik did you mean GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK 🏊♂️🇬🇷🏊♂️🇬🇷🏊♂️🇬🇷🏊♂️
Germany: "Hey Turkey, you want a Battleship?"
@@Joannes808 ah shit here we go again
nik pik I can’t hear you over the land. Can you come out of the water and then speak
"I'm Ottoman, I always have more gunpowder." Sahin 'The Falcon' Age of Empires 3
His name never made sense to me. It literally means Falcon the Falcon. I mean why??
@@fatihsahin1305 Its not Falcon the Falcon. Its "Sahin, known as the Falcon" so there is a translate in it. Its only "Sahin" in Turkish.
@@fatihsahin1305 The Falcon means the only sahin. dont think it as an animal. (anlamadıysan yazıyom türkçesini the tek olduğunu belirtmek için kullanılır ondan başka kimseye falcon demedikleri için the falcon deniyor)
@@duiwu3684 only anlamı katmıyor öyle kullanımı
@@bugrilyus sıfat gibi bişey işte nasıl anlatıcamı bilemedim
If you're gonna have a heavy gun, might aswell go all out
Bruh you know we Turks modified it as we turned the barrel into a dürüm.
I thought it looks like it was wrapped with an ottoman upholstery.
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As bayrakları
@DoGoD GoDoG İngilizcen yok galiba adam mizah yapıyor.
@DoGoD GoDoG Im sure ur english is well (!) u can't even write english.
Next up on MTV: Pimp My Vickers
Tom Sedgman 24 karat water jacket.
72" plasma for better sight picture
Cue the Pimp my Ride music...
Not the Same 😅😅😅WE need xibit and much more flatscreens on this Vickers Know what i am saying ?!
Fishtank barrel.
Clearest sight picture ever given in the history of Forgotten Weapons videos
The Turkish upgraded their Vickers gun to max level................nice.
Things I took away from this vid: The Turkish love modding and long legs.
Well, you're not wrong...
The many high-end Slavic prostitutes in Istanbul would seem to bear that out.
@@DefensiveLimestone Welp if its still runnin keep it updatin'
we do love long legs yeah :D
Thats suprizingly true lol.
Not Pictured: Optional coffee maker and toaster.
You really know how to espresso yourself. 🤣🤣🤣
It is 1930s Turkey. We would have moved over to tea by then. So... you know what the boiling water in the barrel sleeve is used for now.
you forgot theres a dürüm maker in the drum mag too
The cooling water of the barrel been used for a cup of coffe or tea
Gotta keep the gunner fed
That belt especially is gorgerous, brings to mind the Medieval armour style often used by Ottomans: steel plates linked together with chain maille.
Just for anyone interested, look up "plated mail".
Put silk over the plates and you have Japanese style Brigandine ' Manchira " .
I think it's called Zirah baktar or something like that
This is what happens when you take the "heavy" in "heavy machine gun" too literally
My brain started playing the Princess Kenny song as soon as I saw this
"...knowing exactly what can happen if you have Turkey as an enemy..." wise words to live by...
yeess :)
They'll attempt genocide against, at least regionally?
Lmao against who
@@jidk6565 can you guys stop playing genocide card against us
@@jidk6565 ohhh shut up anyone that can build guns during the last 2 hundred years tried genocide against somebody.
Nobody at all:
Turkey during the 1900's: "Fuck the sky" *puts AA attachments on everything*
When I was a cadet back in the 80's there was one of these at the front door of the building we used. One night while standing guard at the door i took it upon myself to jam a Paper-mate pen into the barrel tip and give it a smack.To my horrified amazement I found I couldn't get it back out. Visions of the Corps XO issuing orders for my death danced in my head. I snapped the pen off flush with the barrel tip and swore myself to secrecy. I went for a visit about 4 years ago and I saw the blue body of that Paper-mate pen still staring at me in the tip of that Vickers. Can you forgive me of my sins Gun Jesus or will that shiny brass Vickers haunt me forever more. ;)
This, this is hilarious. Thank you for making my day!
If it was an issue, an armorer with a wood screw and a pair of pliers would have that out in 5 seconds.
You must be related to one of those French guys who managed to jam two rifles inside each other.
@@SonsOfLorgar I was only 12. Is there no forgiveness? lol
@@rayyanali4471 Again I was only 12. lol
no bayonet lug?
how would i use my under barrel chainsaw?
Calm down fenix
Just mount it to the nearest guy without a leg two bird one stone is what I say
xD ah yes a mounted chainsaw
Absolute unit.
would be a perfect weapon for the special unit in Jin Roh lol
@@naufalxiips4374 I was going to write that. But original; mobile MG's soldiers were dope.
with love from Turkey. I never miss a single video from you. Thanks gun jesus.
When you play Fallout 4 and get all the best upgrades for each part of the weapon
Funny cause I paused Fallout 4 to watch this haha
Ah, someone else tried to make the "assault rifle" useful.
It does lack a bayonet though..
Alexander Thomas mods work irl right?
Just being Turkish issued makes any old gun about 200% more interesting
Turks were (Well, still are but not as war-torn and being surrounded as back then) really, really in an economically /TIGHT/ status and really had to make do as best as what they could with whatever they could get. But they were (Emphasis on the past tense) really, really good craftsmen. So whatever they could make or adjust ended up being not half bad compared to the really good stuff most of the richer and more technologically advanced countries could come up with.
@@nicrobe9443 Interesting stuff. I'm fascinated by late Ottoman and early Republic history and am a big fan of Kemal (Erdogan... not so much).
I recently acquired Naci Yorulmaz' "Arming the Sultan" but I haven't started it yet. Do you know any other books in English on the topic that are worth reading?
@@enriquekahn9405 Kemal you mean Mustafa Kemal Ataturk right? And pls delet erdogan. I hate when people think us turks love him as in reality %50 of us patriots plain and simple hate him to the very ends.
@@ardavila_ Yes I was talking about Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
@@enriquekahn9405 u can read A Speech from Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. He literally tells what happened during WW1+ liberation war and early republics struggles. Im sure u will like it.
England: we will capture Turkey!
Turkey: well yes but actually no
ele geçirdiler zaten mk. sonra geri kazandık
@@nopurposeotherthanwasteoxy5986 aynen
Britain: “Australia we want you to capture key Turkish positions.”
Also Britain: “you’ll be attacking up a cliff and we’re claiming 99% of the supplies. Also you get the alcoholic as your general and he will kill you with friendly fire.”
@@kingsarues1586 We never forget the brave ANZAC troops who now rest peacefully in our soil just like our grandfathers who died in Gallipoli.
@rbcodder biliyorum knk düşman ele geçirdi zaten ama geri aldık onu diyorum
I gotta say, Winston Churchill is a very wise man. Realizing what will happened if Turkey became the enemy again.
@@dogrudiyosun yeah i believe you can run a nation better than him in those circumstances
@pro jogger too bad you're still here
Gallipoli was probably one of his biggest traumas but anyway
Now *thats* what I would call a *heavy* machine gun.
Impressive! I didn't knew Turkey had some modified machine guns but thought all were just sold as original. It is known Turkey has always been improving older systems with modern tech but Thanks and I hope more Turkish design or modifications will be shown.
The Ultimate HMG Wrap
Oops my dad bought the wrong telescope !
I don't know why but the wider shot and different angles gave this a 'How It's Made' vibe which I liked. Great work as always!
The two battleships were (in Royal Navy service) HMS Agincourt and HMS Erin. Agincourt was originally built for Brazil as part of a naval arms race with Argentina and Chile, then purchased by Turkey before the Royal Navy commandeered her. She was armed with 14(!) 12in guns in seven twin turrets, the most ever mounted on any Dreadnaught battleship, and was nicknamed "The Gin Palace" in Royal Navy service. Both ships participated in the Battle of Jutland.
Reşadiye and Osman-ı Evvel they were pay by the Turkish volunteer's money but used by royal navy .
This is a fantastic specimen! Thank You!
All the best to you and yours!
I want to see some insane person firing this thing handheld.
OI, YOU 'UMIE GITS GOT A RIGHT PROPPA SHOOTA RIGHT 'ERE BUT ONLY ORKZ CAN 'OLD 'EM
You can see the even heavier MG08 that used the same drum mags and ammunition being fired while walking by Othais on CNRarsenels channel. If you want more about the gun, they also have a 1hrs in depth "primer" on its history and WW1 and a shooting comparison to other WW1 machine guns (including the Vickers) called project lightening.
Hold my beer...
WAAAAAGH!!!
Somehow I paused the video on the first frame and for a moment thought Ian was standing there holding it a la Jesse Ventura in Predator.
Britain wanted Ottoman oil - the new fleet was oil stoked, oil became a strategic asset, Turkey automatically became the old man of Europe with the spoils to be divided. The middle east has been in turmoil since then. First mandated and after WW2 as a cold war battle ground.
That thing is absolutely gorgeous; SO wonderful for younger folks like me to see these in such beautiful detail with the accoutrements in tact.
This is why you are a really usefull channel this thing is from my country and I was never heard of it?!
Thank you Ian
I know it's a very simple heat wrap and you can get them from anywhere but this one looks so cool on the water jacket for that vickers.
I was secretly expecting a more hairy, shotgun enthusiast, Larry Vickers. This is fine also.
Diabolos1 this deserves more likes
He's also in love with all things h&k..
Worked in an old engineering plant in karabin qld australia that was originally a vickers plant. They had me cleaning out and modernising the the plans and print room. I found all the plans and drawings for the vickers machine guns from pre ww1
That is machine gun is a piece of very well thought out work.
Not only from the original designers forward thinking about ease of conversion.
Also the Turkish who added all accessories.
Even thing is neat, easy to use, and it works.
The changes they made enhanced the capabilities of the weapons, with ease of use for the soldiers in mind.
Props to the Turks for that belt. If i had to take the best part of all that customization it would be the feeding from a metallic belt stored in a box.
Look excelent for a fixed defensive possition or emplacement.
one of my favorite explanations here. good work man
excellent historical analysis in addition to the technical knowledge
While I do understand the reason you say Turkey important to note that you're actually talking about the Ottoman Empire, and the battleships were ordered by the Ottomans. It was the Ottoman Empire that joined the First World War on the German side. The Republic of Turkey was formed in 1923 under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk after a war of independence where the Ottoman rule was overthrown. In this war the British were allied with the Ottomans, and was defeated by Ataturk.
@@LaughingMan44 the Ottomans were the ruling class based in Turkey, in Constantinople (now known as Istanbul). At their height their empire stretched over much South Eastern Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East. By the beginning of the 20th century what was mostly left is what is now the Republic of Turkey. During World War I it was still very much the Ottoman Empire, and only after the war of independence it became the Republic of Turkey.
While two battleships were ordered by the Ottoman Empire, only one of the seized vessels, Reşadiye, was from that order. Fatih Sultan Mehmed, the second ship, wasn't even ordered until April, 1914, and laid down in June, just before the outbreak of war, so there was no chance it would even have been delivered. The second ship was the Brazilian Rio de Janeiro, sold to Ottomans in 1913 and renamed Sultan Osman I. She was just finishing sea trials and was ready to be turned over to a Turkish crew when Churchill decided to seize both Turkish vessels. This almost led to open warfare on the docks of Newcastle, as the Turkish captain and 500 crewman threatened to take the ship by force. Churchill ordered the ship held by force if necessary, and it was only the Turkish lack of arms that allowed a negotiated settlement. The Sultan Osman I was renamed Agincourt and added to the Royal Navy. She was an impressive looking ship, which is what the Brazilians wanted. Her seven 12" twin turrets had the most main battery turrets of any dreadnought, and the twenty 6" guns of her secondary battery were the heaviest of any dreadnought ever built. The seizure of these ships, especially since they were both paid in full, caused an uproar in Turkey, and was one of the events that saw the Ottoman Empire declaring war on the side of the Germans.
If we are going into this can of worms, Ian shouldn't say *German* guns anymore he should say Prussian Empire, Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany etc. It's simpler to just say German or in this case Turkish, in which you are no doubt aware. Just my pointless comment in response and all.
@@sargesacker2599 which is exactly why I said "I do understand the reason you say". Though, correct me if I'm not right here, but at least in World War I, which is the timeframe we're talking with these ships, Germany was technically called the "German Empire", not Prussian Empire? I've never heard "Prussian Empire" before, but rather Kingdom of Prussia, which while still existed after the unification in 1871 was only a part (albeit huge) of the greater German Empire.
Sar Jim, Thanks for the extra information about the ships!
@@SwitchAndLever You're welcome. The result of spending too much of my adult life reading about naval history. :-)
If it’s like a Swiss Knife, does the Vicker come with a Corkscrew?
Don't forget the bottle opener!
And the wood saw
I'd love to see someone use the toothpick...
@@MsDangerousBeans Galil actually has that :P
@@MaamyyraGaming It is because soldiers otherwise use magazines to open bottles and that does not do good for the magazines.
Im well impressed you managed to find one of these. I come from a family of soldiers and i have seen one of these when i was a kid at my great granddad's summer house and some other old weapons. Great channel dude!
The more i watch this channel the more i understand that guns are good busines when there is war. completely understand that some people do anything to have a war going..
someone's gonna be getting a nice vintage drone shooting gun
I dont know about you, but when Ian turned the muzzle towards me, I kinda ducked my head down a little bit. Lol!
Glenn Sosinske >> Good survival instinct!
Thanks again for another great video.
Thanls for the video and the information you really know alot about. I just subscribed.
Wow I have honestly never seen one even though I live in Turkey. thanks Gun Jesus..
Metkan Çakır harp okulu müzesinin bahçesinde bi tane vardı
The stand was so close to the shelf racking for a while I thought it was all part of the mount!
Thank you , Ian .
My grandfather dropped a german aircraft with this gun between 1940-1945 in Istanbul
bells: check
whistles: check
The background and Ian’s trousers makes a 1990s safety training video
About 3 weeks ago at the range a gentleman brought in a Vickers (not Turkish) to shoot. Once he fired off a few rounds the entire range shut down and everyone went to watch him shoot. It is amazing how quickly a belt of ammo can run through a Vickers.
This thing is wild! Looks like it’s from a cartoon 🤣 Thanks for another spectacular video, Ian!
Anybody listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast? As soon as I saw this video was a Turkish Vickers I know it was about WWI and Dan's podcast. If you like WWI you gotta check it out. Great podcast. Awesome video as always FW!
With all due respect to Carlin, WWI was only briefly mentioned in this video here and is only vaguely relevant to this gun. Turkey didn't fight in WWII, and Carlin's only podcasts about WWII were the Ghosts of the Ostfront series and Logical Insanity. Neither of which were even remotely related to the above.
@@Sadoyasturadoglu Yeah I missed an I over there while trying to correct Mr. Spaghetti's mixup.
Man, I can see my grandfather making that thing sing💥🇹🇷
Where's the QD mounts? Gotta swap out those aircraft sights, you know. 🤣🤣🤣
The gun is mounted back to front on the anti-aircraft extension. The idea of the offset trunnion pivot is that it should allow the gun to point up at a very high angle, the way it is set up in the video, it would give only limited up elevation but would allow you to shoot almost vertically down into the ground.
@4:54
"Ye doth, Gun Jesus revealed unto the masses, the sacred geometry of the Spider Sight."
Theory: no gunner ever used the spider-sight, the way it was explained. Just.. aim a little in front of the plane.. press go.
I think it was more about experience and knowing what your gun can do than literally calculating how fast the aircraft was moving. It's a machine gun not an artillery piece.
Planes can barely even stay in the air at 100km/h to 200km/h so the rings are probably for different speeds.
Thanks for the video, it has been very informative!
This is the best channel on youtube.
Thank you Ian, now a message to all my Turkish brothers...
ASIN BAYRAKLARI
Funny to see german on a beltbox for a british gun used by the turks. History is beautiful never stops to amaze me.
Oh jeez he's standing up for this one
Beautiful gun-Ian, please think about doing an article on Sir Hiram Maxim, as he was such a fascinating character besides being a brilliant inventor. Anyone who settled disputes with fistfights and terrified Thomas Edison with his electrical patents can't be all that bad, in my book;)-John in Texas
What Ian failed to mention, the Turks had paid up front for thier warships. The British BREN sustained fire tripod has a similar system of hollow legs to mout as an AA.
Private donations from regular every day people constituted a large part of the funds. You can imagine how much more outraged the Turks were with that factored in
@@anthonyhayes1267 I didn'nt know that. Then when the German warship, name escapes me, was forced into harbour, and presented to the Ottermans, rest is history. Especially as the two ships the British grabbed wern't that special.
@@51WCDodge you mean HMS Turret Farm?😂
@@anthonyhayes1267 Like it!
Wow, it is a very special gun indeed with these many modifications especially the aliminium belt is just gorgeous!! The reason such modifications never done to British Vickers due they never cared about making it perfect rather kept them simple enough for mass production while Turks only had 1200 of them so they tried to get maximum performance out of them and it looks like they did so...
Churchill certainly made some bold decisions during the early war. One of my favorites is shipping tanks to North Africa whilst Britain was under ostensible threat of invasion. But then I’m a Churchill fanboy.
I love watching you'r vids
One peeve of mine, is not making the distinction between the Republic of Turkey and Ottoman Empire. You have made the distinction in the description text of the video, but during the video itself called Ottoman Empire as Turkey. While yes, it is a "continuation" of sorts, Turkey is a distinct state from Ottoman Empire. A technicality perhaps, to a degree, but an important one for many :).
@@CoolGobyFish some Brits are English. Some are Scots, some Welsh and some Northern Irish.
@@CoolGobyFish Scots not scotch and Welsh not welch.
@@williamkeith8944 Most are also unaware that they performed the first genocide of the 20th century and created the model for Hitler's holocaust. Just saying.
@@dzlnitro Does it count as genocide when we bomb ISIS too?
Because that's what happened. Bunch of thugs committed terrorist acts and has seen the results of it. Unhappy? You can cry about it during the next pseudo genocide anniversary lmao
@@dzlnitro yeah keep saying that bullshit woke guy
Watch me role up in a purple van with this thing in the hood
Nice example of military embracement.
great video!
British: What can they do? They ain't got no battleships.
*Turks: skins HMS Goliath, upon which HMS Queen retreats like a turkey.*
Could Churchill, who became PM on May 10, decide on this and the guns then shipped off to Belgium to be refitted and then shipped to Turkey, all before the German occupation of Belgium in May? Or did Churchill have a say in this before becoming PM?
Since Sept. 3rd, 1939 Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty and member of the cabinet.
@@leszekkadelski9569 Thanks, that makes sense
There’s a late 19th century Gatling gun for sale at a pawnshop down the road from my parents house. It’s been there for years and it’s insane to see how fast the design of these kinds of weapons increased.
Truly amazing
That looks like a reproduction it looks so clean.
Wait, did Churchill send them when he was still First Lord of the Admirality? He became Prime Minister right when Belgium got invaded.
No.
Oh wow, that's an awesome gun!
Optional AA sights, drum magazine and a giant collapsible Tripod, doesnt get any more tacticool than that.
Today I learned that Ian has legs.
Ottomans. Ottomans.
Ottomans? What Ottomans? What about them
@@hannibalburgers477 comfy to sit on.
@@hannibalburgers477 Wtf
@@hannibalburgers477 I think they are trying to point out an innaccuracy: Our beloved Gun Jesus does not mention that in 1914, there wasn’t a Turkey, it was the soon-to-be-dead Ottoman Empire. But this information is not exactly relevant to the video, as it was the Republic of Turkey who got the guns in 1940
I didnt know that the AA sights had speed measuring, i just tought it was for easier directional leading! Thanks!
I have so many service stars with this!
My grandpa a Turkish Fighter:
*Hey I have seen this one before*
Jupiter how can that be you are an planet 😂
@@Dawizard1985 my granpa is sun
Wait a minute....that means.........
THE SUN IS A TURKISH SOLDIER
@@someturkishguy8638 So Turks were the sun that never set in the British empire
I'm suprised that we didn't use this for boiling water for tea
How do you know they didn't?
Just put a whistle on it so you'll know when it's ready
@@zxggwrt
The gun beeps, actually.
😅😂
Gun looks mint!
Condition is impeccable. Looks like it was made yesterday.
obligation is always the best teacher for us turks
Greetings my fellow Turkish Islamic brother.
There will be no islamic revival in Turkey.
enşirin şey there is to be , sooner or later secular regime , founded by your fake god , atatürk , will be toppled down , which is ALLAH' s promise . we will avert those like u to worship him
@@turkishmauser1174 hahahahahaha try doing that and see. Your hoca tried that in 15 Temmuz. Try again and you will be destroyed like always.
enşirin şey i oppose him as strictly as i do to your fake god , atatürk, i think both are apostates just like u.
British 'Which accessories would you like'?
Turkish 'Yes'
This coupled with some sea mines abd heavy cannons and you have the perfect defense for your strait city.
As a Turkish gun enthusiast, I’m not sure if I realy should feel proud of what they did in the 40s. Talented engineers would convert anything into what the army needed but we had no genuine inventions in the field, not a single brand name, none!
That might be the result of being ridiculously lagged behind industry at that time...
Definitely. During the Ottoman period the government didn’t invest anything in technology or innovation. No factories, no government supported industrial establishments. That’s what modern Turkey had inherited.