They speak of themselves and point to themselves and there structure which is idolatry! Your right they don't believe in the gospel of grace, they purposely leave it out(Acts 20-24). They claim they are the gospel! I'm so glad to be delivered and give God all the glory! I pray that this doctrine of devils will be exposed! Please keep exposing.
Thank you for all you are doing to help those of us who are trying to get out of the 2x2 mindset. I was B&R and left last year as soon as I found out about D. Bruer and the CSA & SA. The past year and a half has been a challenge to say the least. ---- I've received letters and messages from people who are still "in" and they sound just like the one you read on this video. It helps me so much to know that I am not the only one left flabbergasted and confused by the word salad and backward thinking of those people. I really identified with what David shared about their teachings being New Age-y. I've tried to explain to other people the thinking I was brought up with and the only way I could think of describing it was to say it's a type of "magical thinking." Even now with all of the scandals, I'm told by people that still go to meeting that "God will take care of it." -- You just cannot have a logical conversation with people like that.
Just the thought of the look on this workers face when they learn they’ve been put on a “worldly” church prayer list 😂! I appreciate the love of praying for any still in meetings that truly aren’t born again yet. I do every day now, through God all things are possible!
They think they love you, they don’t know how to love, they don’t know how to lead, they don’t know the gospel, they don’t know how to properly communicate, they don’t know how to answer biblical questions, they don’t teach the gospel, it’s all so sad.
It seems their version of repentance is surrendering yourself to their system. Nothing to do with turning away from sin towards Christ to be reconciled to God.😞
"This sounds foolish" if you are "unwilling" ... Not because of contrary facts or contrary Scripture. If their argument sounds faulty to anyone, it's not due to errors in their doctrine, it's solely because of "unwillingness." Aka, it sounds foolish to anyone not of the elect thus proving their unelect status 😑😑 so glad y'all made this podcast bc it makes me feel less insane 😂 when most of your friends and alot of your family think you've lost your salvation bc you're not in their "fellowship*... It's easy to think "wait am I the problem??" But no!
You come to Jesus to be saved, not try to get your life right then come to him! He our lord and savior he will save us! Why is this so hard for people to understand? God bless ya’ll Thanks for sharing I dated a separated mennonite man, but didn’t find that out for six months after we got together. We are no longer together. It was very difficult
Thank you for sharing the letter, it has zero substance. It is very sad they dismiss God’s Grace, it means everything. The Bible is hard to understand until you know God’s Grace. They twist God’s Word so easily, it is sickening, but people lap it up because of their outward appearance.
I would advise you guys to refrain from mimicing the worker's, that does come forward as trying to make fun of them.That said I do appreciate these video's, bringing light to the True Gospel, the one that the worker's preach is no gospel at all as Paul said about anyone bringing a different gospel. Thanks -Louise
As someone who left at 19…in 1995…and never looked back, I’ve watched the debacle of the last few years unfold. I’m atheist so all doctrine discussion sounds equally ludicrous but it’s been interesting to see how people survive as they leave. And I enjoy these podcasts. You realize how silly the whole 2x2 is.
I would like to read this letter, but I cannot listen to the video because I find the impression to be grating on my nerves. Can you possibly link to it in the description? Thank you.
I wonder why people in the 2x2 religion feel the need to write a letter like that. When I decided to leave because of the CSA, I posted a letter on FB and sent a letter to the workers in Montana to let them know I wouldn't be supporting the ministry anymore. Then I received a FB message from a person I hadn't had contact with for about 15 years. The message was an attempt to shame me and make me fearful of going to hell. It can't understand the motive of that person. What is the point?
The truth is, it all started in 1897 by William Irvine. Because he had so many sex abuse. Allegations against him from young girls that he had to come up with a system where he could still be pampered and Worship? And remain hidden. From the investigators he spent The rest of his life, money laundry. And human trafficking taken underage girls out of the Country And saying it was for God's work. And never letting their families hear from them again. And in doing so he created one of the biggest pedophilia rings of all time. People with no record, no home, no way for the government to track them, and they spend their lives sleeping in other people's houses with other people's children. That's why it's the perfect system for pedophiles. Because it was created by one. That's all the religion is There's your truth.
David, you brought up the "Inner Light", a phrase which is more of a quaker thing than a worker distinctive. Do you object the term, and is it just because it's not the proper name for the Holy Spirit?
@@davidalink It was a different one. But thank you. Question: I am friends with a woman that was a 2by2 traveling ‘missionary.’ Without me knowing it last year, she invited me to her house church but only after I’d invited her to visit my church. Needless to say she never came to mine and I never went back to hers. It was the strangest ‘meeting’ I’d ever been to. I had no idea who they were and what they were about no matter how many ways I’d ask. One question I have is why did the two male speakers not have any eye contact with the people seated in front of them as they stood speaking and reading scriptures? It was as if they were looking at a spot on the wall way above us. By the time the evening was over it felt like an out of body experience. I was literally like in a state of shock and disbelief about what I’d just experienced. Since that time about two mos ago we were together and she was very upset about a man in her (she doesn’t know that I know about her being a 2by2) following who seemed very interested in her but would never call her back after expressing strong interest. As I sensed her hurt I offered to pray for her, as a true believer in Christ, and she immediately pulled away and said no several times. I did not push her at all but was very surprised by her reaction. She did end up saying I could pray for her so I did and I just prayed Gods love, His leading and peace in her life. Now from watching your videos and reading more about this group I can see that was a huge thing that she let me pray for her. I had another friend there with us who was visiting me. She had no idea of my 2by2 friend being in this cult but just assumed she was a born again believer because her and I are friends. So my visiting friend spoke openly about some very personal things in her walk of faith over a job and other things. I could see that what she was sharing that it had really struck a cord with my 2by2 friend, yet I’d never said anything to my Christian friend about her beliefs. Hope you can follow this story… That’s when I knew the Holy Spirit was revealing Himself to her through my visiting friend in that personal way He does. He’s so gentle and loving. Thank you for helping me to understand what she’s in. Her whole family is in this for generations. Her brother took his own life so I’m sure they live under a terrible amount of pressure and confusion. Thanks for reading my long question. 😇
The molestation of scripture and maligning of all things true by the workers and those under their rule disturbs me deeply. I will ask no pardon for bringing a bit of levity to the situation.
@@martyfaber1280 humor is healing and healthy. the tone of voice and speaking in a fake humility is a real thing. guilty of it myself. it was part of the conformity.
As I heard Marty read the letter in “worker speak” style, I initially thought that he was mocking the letter writer. But then I realized that he was not mocking her as a person, but rather mocking the general style of sing-songy preaching that probably most of the workers seem to use. It was always quite irritating to me when I went to meetings. I’ve been told by a reliable source that there are actually classes now for ex-workers to learn how to speak more naturally!
Going to meeting,doesn't give us Salvation. Meeting is like iceing in the cake. We have to read and pray daily,and live as much like Jesus as possible. Matt.,5,6,7. Is how we need to be living.
olive Try doing Matthew 5:23 - :26; if you are :21 - :22: if you feel 'this is how we need to be living'. Then you can let us know how we can NOW do that since the "alter was destroyed in 70 AD". How can we exceed the 'righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees' when they no longer exists?
Making fun of how certain people speak is the behavior of juvenile, immature, insensitive, and disrespectful, petulant youth, and otherwise ill-mannered adults. Are you proud of yourselves for ridiculing the faith of your fellow humans? Are you both still in junior high school in your minds?
They speak of themselves and point to themselves and there structure which is idolatry! Your right they don't believe in the gospel of grace, they purposely leave it out(Acts 20-24). They claim they are the gospel! I'm so glad to be delivered and give God all the glory! I pray that this doctrine of devils will be exposed! Please keep exposing.
Thank you for all you are doing to help those of us who are trying to get out of the 2x2 mindset. I was B&R and left last year as soon as I found out about D. Bruer and the CSA & SA. The past year and a half has been a challenge to say the least. ---- I've received letters and messages from people who are still "in" and they sound just like the one you read on this video. It helps me so much to know that I am not the only one left flabbergasted and confused by the word salad and backward thinking of those people. I really identified with what David shared about their teachings being New Age-y. I've tried to explain to other people the thinking I was brought up with and the only way I could think of describing it was to say it's a type of "magical thinking." Even now with all of the scandals, I'm told by people that still go to meeting that "God will take care of it." -- You just cannot have a logical conversation with people like that.
Just the thought of the look on this workers face when they learn they’ve been put on a “worldly” church prayer list 😂!
I appreciate the love of praying for any still in meetings that truly aren’t born again yet. I do every day now, through God all things are possible!
They think they love you, they don’t know how to love, they don’t know how to lead, they don’t know the gospel, they don’t know how to properly communicate, they don’t know how to answer biblical questions, they don’t teach the gospel, it’s all so sad.
Another great podcast! Keep doing these. I so enjoy them.😊
So good. So triggering. So raw and honest. So much salad.
The worker mentioned repentance, but there is no call for it from the evil-doers. Frustrating.
And the only love they show is very conditional.
It seems their version of repentance is surrendering yourself to their system. Nothing to do with turning away from sin towards Christ to be reconciled to God.😞
"This sounds foolish" if you are "unwilling" ... Not because of contrary facts or contrary Scripture. If their argument sounds faulty to anyone, it's not due to errors in their doctrine, it's solely because of "unwillingness." Aka, it sounds foolish to anyone not of the elect thus proving their unelect status 😑😑 so glad y'all made this podcast bc it makes me feel less insane 😂 when most of your friends and alot of your family think you've lost your salvation bc you're not in their "fellowship*... It's easy to think "wait am I the problem??" But no!
You come to Jesus to be saved, not try to get your life right then come to him! He our lord and savior he will save us! Why is this so hard for people to understand? God bless ya’ll
Thanks for sharing
I dated a separated mennonite man, but didn’t find that out for six months after we got together. We are no longer together. It was very difficult
Dude! The Crickets! That was fantastic 🤣
The vernacular and the cadence is right on! 😂
Someone prayed me into the kingdom
Thank you for sharing the letter, it has zero substance. It is very sad they dismiss God’s Grace, it means everything. The Bible is hard to understand until you know God’s Grace. They twist God’s Word so easily, it is sickening, but people lap it up because of their outward appearance.
I would advise you guys to refrain from mimicing the worker's, that does come forward as trying to make fun of them.That said I do appreciate these video's, bringing light to the True Gospel, the one that the worker's preach is no gospel at all as Paul said about anyone bringing a different gospel. Thanks -Louise
As someone who left at 19…in 1995…and never looked back, I’ve watched the debacle of the last few years unfold. I’m atheist so all doctrine discussion sounds equally ludicrous but it’s been interesting to see how people survive as they leave. And I enjoy these podcasts. You realize how silly the whole 2x2 is.
Thanks for your comment! I’m glad you enjoy the podcasts!
I would like to read this letter, but I cannot listen to the video because I find the impression to be grating on my nerves. Can you possibly link to it in the description? Thank you.
Mute the video & hit the CC button. Or scroll down to the transcript button in the video description.
I wonder why people in the 2x2 religion feel the need to write a letter like that. When I decided to leave because of the CSA, I posted a letter on FB and sent a letter to the workers in Montana to let them know I wouldn't be supporting the ministry anymore. Then I received a FB message from a person I hadn't had contact with for about 15 years. The message was an attempt to shame me and make me fearful of going to hell. It can't understand the motive of that person. What is the point?
I’m jealous…..no workers or ex workers ever mail me letters 😅😅😅😅
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I like the truth - lets talk about it
The truth is, it all started in 1897 by William Irvine. Because he had so many sex abuse. Allegations against him from young girls that he had to come up with a system where he could still be pampered and Worship?
And remain hidden. From the investigators he spent The rest of his life, money laundry. And human trafficking taken underage girls out of the Country And saying it was for God's work.
And never letting their families hear from them again. And in doing so he created one of the biggest pedophilia rings of all time. People with no record, no home, no way for the government to track them, and they spend their lives sleeping in other people's houses with other people's children. That's why it's the perfect system for pedophiles. Because it was created by one. That's all the religion is There's your truth.
Victorian English culture and speaking is probably behind how they pronounce words.
David, you brought up the "Inner Light", a phrase which is more of a quaker thing than a worker distinctive. Do you object the term, and is it just because it's not the proper name for the Holy Spirit?
My response to a comment was removed. Not sure why, bcz it was not negative.
Try again
I see a response on the cake comment
@@davidalink It was a different one. But thank you.
Question: I am friends with a woman that was a 2by2 traveling ‘missionary.’ Without me knowing it last year, she invited me to her house church but only after I’d invited her to visit my church. Needless to say she never came to mine and I never went back to hers.
It was the strangest ‘meeting’ I’d ever been to. I had no idea who they were and what they were about no matter how many ways I’d ask.
One question I have is why did the two male speakers not have any eye contact with the people seated in front of them as they stood speaking and reading scriptures? It was as if they were looking at a spot on the wall way above us. By the time the evening was over it felt like an out of body experience. I was literally like in a state of shock and disbelief about what I’d just experienced.
Since that time about two mos ago we were together and she was very upset about a man in her (she doesn’t know that I know about her being a 2by2) following who seemed very interested in her but would never call her back after expressing strong interest. As I sensed her hurt I offered to pray for her, as a true believer in Christ, and she immediately pulled away and said no several times. I did not push her at all but was very surprised by her reaction. She did end up saying I could pray for her so I did and I just prayed Gods love, His leading and peace in her life. Now from watching your videos and reading more about this group I can see that was a huge thing that she let me pray for her. I had another friend there with us who was visiting me. She had no idea of my 2by2 friend being in this cult but just assumed she was a born again believer because her and I are friends. So my visiting friend spoke openly about some very personal things in her walk of faith over a job and other things. I could see that what she was sharing that it had really struck a cord with my 2by2 friend, yet I’d never said anything to my Christian friend about her beliefs. Hope you can follow this story…
That’s when I knew the Holy Spirit was revealing Himself to her through my visiting friend in that personal way He does. He’s so gentle and loving. Thank you for helping me to understand what she’s in. Her whole family is in this for generations. Her brother took his own life so I’m sure they live under a terrible amount of pressure and confusion. Thanks for reading my long question. 😇
JESUS LUVS!!! We need to go to JESUS HES THE ONLY HIGH PRIEST BE BLESSED!!!
I really feel like we could take this seriously,if you would just read the letter in a regular voice. Don't make fun of it.
The molestation of scripture and maligning of all things true by the workers and those under their rule disturbs me deeply. I will ask no pardon for bringing a bit of levity to the situation.
@@martyfaber1280 humor is healing and healthy. the tone of voice and speaking in a fake humility is a real thing. guilty of it myself. it was part of the conformity.
You obviously have never heard the workers. I had to listen to their degrading testimonies for almost 29 years.😂
As I heard Marty read the letter in “worker speak” style, I initially thought that he was mocking the letter writer. But then I realized that he was not mocking her as a person, but rather mocking the general style of sing-songy preaching that probably most of the workers seem to use. It was always quite irritating to me when I went to meetings. I’ve been told by a reliable source that there are actually classes now for ex-workers to learn how to speak more naturally!
I wish you spent as muck time preparing as you do finding fault
Is confronting false teaching & heresy not necessary?
What is "muck time"?
This is helpful in deconstruction from this cult. It’s not finding fault it is verifying the truth and facts
Going to meeting,doesn't give us Salvation. Meeting is like iceing in the cake. We have to read and pray daily,and live as much like Jesus as possible. Matt.,5,6,7. Is how we need to be living.
Hey! Iceing on the cake is not needed when you have access to the whole bakery!!
@@davidalinkEspecially to the Head Bakery Chef.
So do you believe reading and praying and living as much like Jesus as possible gives you salvation?
You disagree with the worker? The worker believes going to meeting is the price to pay for salvation.
olive Try doing Matthew 5:23 - :26; if you are :21 - :22: if you feel 'this is how we need to be living'. Then you can let us know how we can NOW do that since the "alter was destroyed in 70 AD". How can we exceed the 'righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees' when they no longer exists?
Making fun of how certain people speak is the behavior of juvenile, immature, insensitive, and disrespectful, petulant youth, and otherwise ill-mannered adults. Are you proud of yourselves for ridiculing the faith of your fellow humans? Are you both still in junior high school in your minds?
Watch it to the end, please.