You hit the nail on the head! They set themselves up for idol worship! Their idols are the way they do things and the worker's! Not all of the friend's and workers of course but I believe a large % if not most.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Acts 20:29-31 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. Jude 4 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Given the 2x2 ministry often depending on region and origin story, claimed being a direct descendant of the first century church. Tom Wadsworths series here on UA-cam regarding his research into what early church assembly practices where , is quite interesting.
Have just started listening to this episode , and maybe you address this later on, but the question that occurred to me is: Why would people who were raised to go to the Jerusalem Temple and Synagogue to worship, start to meet in homes to worship? What was happening at that time in history that may have caused them to change where they worshipped? Those people who were the early Christian church were eventually severely persecuted and no longer welcomed in the Synagogue and Temple worship services. Worshipping in homes came about after that. I've not found any verses that proclaim that worshipping in homes is the only correct place to meet to worship. Thank you for your study and research and for sharing that information.
The Meeting Is The Spiritual Continuation of The First Church The Way and Is Therefore The Way... Spirit is more important than Chronology in fact time is an illusion... ...and it is the spiritual nature of life that makes it an illusion...
@@bethanyfaber2012 I think you (y'all) are rebellious in nature.....you rebel against structure and rules and any restrictions....but that is just a guess....God does have rules....yes he does and always has....that is certainly something for you to think about.... "So often I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but you would not".....we all are rebellious by nature of course.....yes we are....sort of like a speed limit of 70 so we drive 75...yup
Question: do y'all just exist to criticize "the truth" or do y'all criticize other organizations.....and DO YOU HAVE SCRIPTURE to back up YOUR beliefs....and what are YOUR beliefs?
They both left “the truth” before many of the evil acts of leadership had been exposed. Many of us that were raised in “the truth” began asking questions and searching for answers since the beginning of 2023. Dave and Marty filled a much needed place of information, interviews of exiting members, and review of doctrine through scripture. To criticize them because they aren’t criticizing other religions is like criticizing an algebra teacher for not teaching about calculus, geometry, English or chemistry. They are helping those who are in a similar position with the knowledge they have from the same experience. Jesus is Lord, King of Kings, and He died so we could have salvation through him, not through our own works or through the church structure we choose.
@jon_14_6 I have been listening!!!.....I hear criticisms of "a cult" but I hear very little of their beliefs about SERVING THE MOST HOLY GOD, MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE WHICH HE CREATED
@OldBiscuit54 First, you may find it helpful to start by watching the very first episode of the podcast where they outline the purpose of this podcast. Next, there are a couple episodes (3 and 5) where they discuss what the Bible says about who Jesus is and what the Gospel is. For more on what they believe individually, I recommend you check out their individual interview episodes. And last but not least, David has some excellent teaching videos where he discusses topics like "Can You Lose Your Salvation" and parallels between the Garden of Eden and the cross. I'm confident you can find all the info you desire in those videos...if you need help finding them, let me know and I'm happy to help!
Yes! The infrastructure to meet at the time was not set in stone, it was evolving, perfect!
You hit the nail on the head! They set themselves up for idol worship! Their idols are the way they do things and the worker's! Not all of the friend's and workers of course but I believe a large % if not most.
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Acts 20:29-31
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one”
Albert Einstein
Given the 2x2 ministry often depending on region and origin story, claimed being a direct descendant of the first century church.
Tom Wadsworths series here on UA-cam regarding his research into what early church assembly practices where , is quite interesting.
Have just started listening to this episode , and maybe you address this later on, but the question that occurred to me is: Why would people who were raised to go to the Jerusalem Temple and Synagogue to worship, start to meet in homes to worship? What was happening at that time in history that may have caused them to change where they worshipped? Those people who were the early Christian church were eventually severely persecuted and no longer welcomed in the Synagogue and Temple worship services. Worshipping in homes came about after that. I've not found any verses that proclaim that worshipping in homes is the only correct place to meet to worship.
Thank you for your study and research and for sharing that information.
The Meeting Is The Spiritual Continuation of The First Church The Way and Is Therefore The Way...
Spirit is more important than Chronology in fact time is an illusion... ...and it is the spiritual nature of life that makes it an illusion...
Forsake not the gathering together
Of course! But that did not take place exclusively in homes in the NT church, nor must it in the Church today. Would you agree?
@@bethanyfaber2012 I think you (y'all) are rebellious in nature.....you rebel against structure and rules and any restrictions....but that is just a guess....God does have rules....yes he does and always has....that is certainly something for you to think about.... "So often I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but you would not".....we all are rebellious by nature of course.....yes we are....sort of like a speed limit of 70 so we drive 75...yup
Question: do y'all just exist to criticize "the truth" or do y'all criticize other organizations.....and DO YOU HAVE SCRIPTURE to back up YOUR beliefs....and what are YOUR beliefs?
They both left “the truth” before many of the evil acts of leadership had been exposed. Many of us that were raised in “the truth” began asking questions and searching for answers since the beginning of 2023. Dave and Marty filled a much needed place of information, interviews of exiting members, and review of doctrine through scripture. To criticize them because they aren’t criticizing other religions is like criticizing an algebra teacher for not teaching about calculus, geometry, English or chemistry. They are helping those who are in a similar position with the knowledge they have from the same experience.
Jesus is Lord, King of Kings, and He died so we could have salvation through him, not through our own works or through the church structure we choose.
"Do they have scripture". Have you not been listening, its all about reading and UNDERSTANDING the scripture
@jon_14_6 I have been listening!!!.....I hear criticisms of "a cult" but I hear very little of their beliefs about SERVING THE MOST HOLY GOD, MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE WHICH HE CREATED
@@OldBiscuit54 You can worship God practically anywhere and anytime. Without the rules, there's not alot to say.
@OldBiscuit54 First, you may find it helpful to start by watching the very first episode of the podcast where they outline the purpose of this podcast. Next, there are a couple episodes (3 and 5) where they discuss what the Bible says about who Jesus is and what the Gospel is. For more on what they believe individually, I recommend you check out their individual interview episodes. And last but not least, David has some excellent teaching videos where he discusses topics like "Can You Lose Your Salvation" and parallels between the Garden of Eden and the cross. I'm confident you can find all the info you desire in those videos...if you need help finding them, let me know and I'm happy to help!