@@thatzaliasguy Doubt they would be releasing anything better than 890M (RDNA 3.5) for sometime as iGPU solution. Even if they released a RDNA 4 GPU during CES 2025, we would probably have to wait until mid or late 2025 to see APU's using RDNA 4.
@@Sup_DRumours suggest there's a 40 CU RDNA 3.5 APU (for reference, 890M is only 16 CUs) coming out soon, nicknamed Strix Halo. It's supposed to be comparable to a 4070 laptop.
I'm happy to see the technology develop as it's essential. In 6 months this thing will be like half price. No competition for it at the moment, you know by February there will be like 40 different companies all doing these same-spec mini PCs.
Over $1000 and no dedicated gpu. Not worth it at all. I'm sorry but minisforum and AMD need to step out of crazy and get their crap together. They are smoking something if they think people are going to buy this when the 780m is almost as good.
I have the EliteMini UM780 XTX, it used to be $700, it's $560 now. It's a beastly little machine. If you don't like the price of bleeding edge tech, wait six months and pick it up for a lot less. These mini PCs have convinced me never to build a tower again. Get the GPU dock + mini PC = two parts to mess with every five years or so.
@@coratoraYT I mean, "two parts" in which you're either upgrading the GPU and eGPU dock (as one part) or MiniPC, RAM & SSD. It's not like it's saving you from upgrading anything as often. You're just upgrading the whole PC instead of parts of the PC.
@@Patrick-y4d1z not to mention that you could probably buy cheaper last year parts that matches the same hardware in these mini pc's. That 7840hs in the UM780 XTX is marginally better than a 5700x/5800x for all things considered. You also get to carry over components, so you do save a bit on that. Bigger coolers also mean more silent operation. I'm not saying mini pc's are terrible. But they're only worth it if you really like the form factor. Otherwise it kinda falls apart.
Good video. Very impressed by the performance in most of the games. I would recommend having non-frame generation results when you're showing performance. At best it's just a misrepresentation of the real performance of the chip. That's without mentioning the input lag that can't be showed through a video. If the game can only pass 60fps with frame gen, that means the real fps it's in the 30-40, then you add the render time of the generated frames and you end up with an imput lag that (I believe) most PC gamers aren't going to be happy with.
Love your videos, would like to see fanspeed in rivatuner too, just to get a feeling of how high it gets. Mini PC overclocking also is a nice topic ^^ Keep it going dude
what the 890M is capable of is INSANE. We are not far off from gaming on an handheld at 4k60. Yes yes i know, battery life. But still, with FSR3, and AFMF this is absolutely possible. God I love AMD.
It's likely intentional to boost viewer interaction. On a professional channel, such mistakes are probably not due to laziness. By prompting comments and discussions, the channel increases its visibility and engagement. It's a smart way to capture the community's attention.
nice, but u missed the chance to apply a curve optimizer like minus 10. that lowers the poweroutput while keep the performance, which then enable better PBO etc to stay higher more stable :D
what i learned from this video is that this IGPU can run modern games at 1440p if you are ok with destroying the visuals by using frame gen and FSR (which is ironic considering how much game devs push for "immersiveness" and "photorealistic graphics"). Just put everything in native 1080p high/ultra and you'll get a way better experience. - No blurry mess around fast moving object with frame gen. - No upscaling artifacts.
hello! I would really like to get that file to unlock my Bios. I have a BEELINK SR6 and I would like to modify the values a little but I can't find how to do it, could you give me the link to download it? thank you
11:28 I know it's a nitpick but wasn't the first red dead game "Red Dead Revolver"? I might be giving Rockstar ideas when it comes to games they might wanna remaster for full price again😅
The moment I grab the next APU is when I can play my VR games without a dGPU in the system and without it turning into a toaster. I'm cool with downscaling and stuff, just a smooth gameplay experience would be welcome.
I'm gonna repeat what people are saying in the comments of every ETA Prime Mini PC video. Demo the games without Frame Gen. Show us the actual framerate. It's frustrating that he's unwilling to show these devices performing below 60 FPS. It makes the videos seem more like promotion videos than videos to help viewers make an informed decision.
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 It also wouldn’t run well. If you pair a powerful GPU with a mediocre CPU, that GPU will only run as well as that CPU will allow it to. It’s like if you paired an RTX 4090 with an Intel Core i3 processor, it’s completely nonsensical and you’re just wasting money without getting any of the benefits. They will never pair a high end iGPU with a basic CPU.
@@sorrai - It's NOT a powerful GPU. They are great for what they are but ultimately they perform similarly to the bottom tier dedicated GPUs. Soooo ... No I idea what you're talking about.
And risk their highend cpu profit?😂 Also im corious about how budget cpu made, a separate silicon or just binned down high end chip. If its the 1st one, then it made sense since purposedly binning down chip will lower profit
10:53 Dont use Vsync cause there will be input lag, just cap the frames in game or in AMD Adrenaline. A lot of monitors and even TVs have freesync/adaptive sync now days, so no reason to use Vsync.
If the capability is not recommended, the capability would be completely restricted or removed. The fact that it’s in the bios means AMD expects that it can and will be used.
C'mon man, you can't show how great this thing is by saying "1080p but FSR performance and low settings". That's what, 540p? And then you talk about Frame Gen but fail to tell everyone that your 70fps with Frame Gen is actually like 37fps and that AMD recommends a minimum of 60fps BEFORE enabling Frame Gen. You are either intentionally misleading your viewers or making egregious mistakes. C'mon man. You gotta do better.
*1100$ without shipping SKIP* I'd rather build a Ryzen 5 7600 + Rtx 4070 gaming PC instead for that price and it will kill that stupid nonsense thing easily
The only instance where this device at that price makes sense is if you absolutely have to have a small form factor - there's a significant performance tax you pay if you want high performance in small form factors. Also, your upgrade paths are virtually non existent
Can you just include the link to the tools and link that you use for the video? If you are going to show it, others may very well want to follow and it would just make the experience a whole lot better.
7:47 I just tested my Radeon 780M (12 CU) at 2.5 GHz and LPDDR5X-7500. This Radeon 890M (16 CU) at almost 3 GHz and LPDDR5X-8000 generates 29% more fps. Coming from almost 60% faster compute and 7% bandwidth. AMD making a bigger NPU instead of removing it for Infinity Cache (iGPU L3) because of AI hype is just sad.
You can get the Minisforum UM890 Pro since it supports external GPU. Buy the Beelink eGPU Dock and throw on a RTX 4070, and you can do 4k gaming, on Medium settings
Hi, i have one question why test new technology with always the same old games is going to be interesting to see if is possible to run the new games actually and why you stop test the emulators also before you always do it and is was interesting anyway good job good luck for the future
question is . can a laptop do that?(if we go igpu route it should be ultraportable kind ). for its price an sff would be better with a fractal terra or ridge
This is how the smallest Strix Halo might performs The HX 380 with Radeon 8500S. Early benchmarks show 4500 points at time spy. I think Cyberpunk at Medium at FSR Balanced at 1440p could look great.,
ETA Prime: "The BEST iGPU Yet!"
The Audience: Give it a week.
Eh, about a month. AMD's new lineup get revealed in January
The Cyberpunk 2077 at high with framegen looks more like 480p. Just too much noise, bluriness and low response rate.
@@thatzaliasguy Doubt they would be releasing anything better than 890M (RDNA 3.5) for sometime as iGPU solution.
Even if they released a RDNA 4 GPU during CES 2025, we would probably have to wait until mid or late 2025 to see APU's using RDNA 4.
@@slojanko set your youtube playback resolution to 1080p 😂
@@Sup_DRumours suggest there's a 40 CU RDNA 3.5 APU (for reference, 890M is only 16 CUs) coming out soon, nicknamed Strix Halo. It's supposed to be comparable to a 4070 laptop.
If the typo is engagement bait, he’s a genius.
It’s a conspiracy!😅
Nice bait
It's might be intentional, increases video comment engagement.
Better for the algorithm.
I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. I doubt it was intentional.
@ same here!
Typo my guy 890M Not 809M
yup lol
Everybody knows that 809M is the best iGPU in the world ever made with 6000 CUs and 2048 bit wide memory and 6.9Ghz of Cloc speed
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat yes didnt know that gpu is out
my 809m is way better than your ryzen 4070!!!
He regularly put typos in his title, chapter label, etc., this guy is getting so lazy about quality control his contents
Honestly the most impressive part of this is the thermals. Seems like it is running cool even at 75~Watts.... Good job minisforum.
Title isn't a typo guys.
Posted from my Xbox 306.
*cough* typo in the title. Great vid!
No, it's a new iGPU.
@@jonathanmellette8541 I don't think 809M is an iGPU. 890M is...
Steamdeck II is gonna go so fucking hard. 1080p 90+Hz will be absolutely insane on games that this generation can barely meet 60.
Honestly, I'd be fine with the exact same OLED screen at 900p. But then give it a second USB4 port for an eGPU to dock with extra performance.
Nearly double the price of a similarly equipped UM890 Pro is insane.
Where to get that? Trying to do 1080p 60fps on my projector, and use for emulation...
@@Kiyoshi_9606 It's $609 with 32GB/1TB direct from Minisforum with code MS40 (the code still works even though it's technically expired).
And double the performance
@@vinyfiny better than 5500u and mx550?
@@Kiyoshi_9606I'm not sure why my comment got deleted, but yes substantially better.
Its amazing to see how powerful a small igpu can be, but it becomes pretty pointless if it costs more than buying a dgpu.....
These were supposed to save us during the pandemic, but they arrived too late
I'm happy to see the technology develop as it's essential. In 6 months this thing will be like half price. No competition for it at the moment, you know by February there will be like 40 different companies all doing these same-spec mini PCs.
@@icerink239Zen 5 processors was shown in 2022 roadmap to be launched in 2024, I don't think anyone would expect pandemic to last till 2024.
Yeah everyone wants an iGPU in their AMD chip but then AMD upcharges by $150, canceling out any benefit to the consumer ...
Cost more than a whole computer or laptop
This 809M is pretty cool! Didn't know it beats the 890M
Onboard GPU's are crazy !
👍🏾 it's a wicked package from china
Over $1000 and no dedicated gpu. Not worth it at all. I'm sorry but minisforum and AMD need to step out of crazy and get their crap together. They are smoking something if they think people are going to buy this when the 780m is almost as good.
I have the EliteMini UM780 XTX, it used to be $700, it's $560 now. It's a beastly little machine. If you don't like the price of bleeding edge tech, wait six months and pick it up for a lot less.
These mini PCs have convinced me never to build a tower again. Get the GPU dock + mini PC = two parts to mess with every five years or so.
@@coratoraYT Same conclusion for me OneXfly + 7800xt Egpu
@@coratoraYT
I mean, "two parts" in which you're either upgrading the GPU and eGPU dock (as one part) or MiniPC, RAM & SSD.
It's not like it's saving you from upgrading anything as often. You're just upgrading the whole PC instead of parts of the PC.
@@Patrick-y4d1z not to mention that you could probably buy cheaper last year parts that matches the same hardware in these mini pc's. That 7840hs in the UM780 XTX is marginally better than a 5700x/5800x for all things considered. You also get to carry over components, so you do save a bit on that. Bigger coolers also mean more silent operation.
I'm not saying mini pc's are terrible. But they're only worth it if you really like the form factor. Otherwise it kinda falls apart.
Good video. Very impressed by the performance in most of the games. I would recommend having non-frame generation results when you're showing performance. At best it's just a misrepresentation of the real performance of the chip. That's without mentioning the input lag that can't be showed through a video. If the game can only pass 60fps with frame gen, that means the real fps it's in the 30-40, then you add the render time of the generated frames and you end up with an imput lag that (I believe) most PC gamers aren't going to be happy with.
Why no comparison chart between stock and OC? Did it really made any performance difference and by how much?
Holy moly that is a badass APU
FH 5 on 1440p high with 80+ fps is insane
i'd rather wait for the release of RDNA 5 gonna be massive :D
@@ark66 yeah, likely haha
A 4070 does 8k high settings 60 fps, that game runs so well
@@Kamion008 incoming APU Max AI igpu will have equivalent specs to 4070 hopefully
@@ark66 not a real 4070, a mobile 4070, don't get fooled by marketing
Wow the 809 is doing miracles
Love your videos, would like to see fanspeed in rivatuner too, just to get a feeling of how high it gets. Mini PC overclocking also is a nice topic ^^ Keep it going dude
I am really looking forward to seeing what the next gen of AMD GPUs (Kracken and Halo) bring to the table.
Radeon 809M is something definetely new...
The successor to this 990m, im hopeful we'll see APUs that can do 1440p120, im so excited, thank you for the benchmarks
Looking forward to using this chip in my handheld laptop.
Always appreciate your reviews.
I think This is the best igpu so far even 8700g can't handle it
It's crazy how laughably overpriced this thing is.
@robertlawrence9000 what price do you think it should be, and what margins do you think minisforum would make off that price?
32GB+1TB, miniaturized, power efficient. That's what you're paying for.
"How come this is not as powerful as my 1000$ rig??" 🥴
Whats worse is think about how expensive strix halo will be. Thats going to push past crazy and enter insane.
@@SogonD.Zunatsu Handhelds with screens, a battery and controls coming with the same chip for cheaper. 🥴🤡
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
yes Bazzite, there are lots of us. Lets go!
what the 890M is capable of is INSANE. We are not far off from gaming on an handheld at 4k60. Yes yes i know, battery life. But still, with FSR3, and AFMF this is absolutely possible. God I love AMD.
Flashback to playing codmw2 in amd dual core apu in 2014.😮
Waiting for ryzen ai max+ 🤤
Same, but the price is gonna burn my wallet too😂
So an 890M is like a GTX 1070 right? partially sums it up.
Ah yes the dma 809M what a great apu name
Nice video man! Do you think this little guy can run ready or not?
I'm not familiar with the 809M, is that a special variant of the iGPU or just a classic ETA PRIME post-production fail?
Typo ...he's talking about 890m that is the Igpu on new Ryzen laptop cpus (AI 9)
It's likely intentional to boost viewer interaction. On a professional channel, such mistakes are probably not due to laziness. By prompting comments and discussions, the channel increases its visibility and engagement. It's a smart way to capture the community's attention.
Title has a typo... it says 809 instead of 890M ;)
1,100 USD and get as much performance as an RX580. Wow...
if this igpu comes down to a budget price, especially with the handheld pc market- this would really replace low end dedicated gpu
It's less than 6 months old....good luck
it probably wouldn't. They are basically fitting a 100$ gpu on a cpu.
nice, but u missed the chance to apply a curve optimizer like minus 10. that lowers the poweroutput while keep the performance, which then enable better PBO etc to stay higher more stable :D
Great vid mate, the red team are hacking the pc world .. How much does it cost
Hi thanks for this interesting video. Is there going to be a power/performance difference between this mini pc stock and the Zenbook S 16?
Winter is the right time to overclock: leave your machine outside, run 1 or 2 hdmi cables thru your door/windows and let nature cool down your thing 🙂
Bro was so excited he misspelled
Hi thank you for the video great work, can overclooking files work with SER9?
Couldn't you free up some TDP to get higher clocks by using curve optimizer?
This was my thought too.
what i learned from this video is that this IGPU can run modern games at 1440p if you are ok with destroying the visuals by using frame gen and FSR (which is ironic considering how much game devs push for "immersiveness" and "photorealistic graphics").
Just put everything in native 1080p high/ultra and you'll get a way better experience.
- No blurry mess around fast moving object with frame gen.
- No upscaling artifacts.
Sad, that he don't open this mini pc anymore. Can't buy it not knowing whats inside the case.
hello! I would really like to get that file to unlock my Bios. I have a BEELINK SR6 and I would like to modify the values a little but I can't find how to do it, could you give me the link to download it? thank you
11:28 I know it's a nitpick but wasn't the first red dead game "Red Dead Revolver"? I might be giving Rockstar ideas when it comes to games they might wanna remaster for full price again😅
you should do a test and see how far you can go if you lock the fps to 60fps and see how much smoother and viable it is.
I bet this would perform even better on Linux
But why would anyone want to inconvenience themselves? 😁
@@JavierSegura I'm using Linux right now, definitely hasn't been an "inconvenience" for me lol
The moment I grab the next APU is when I can play my VR games without a dGPU in the system and without it turning into a toaster.
I'm cool with downscaling and stuff, just a smooth gameplay experience would be welcome.
No one noticed he typed 809m instead of 890m I the title
just think sony using this hardwares and optimize for operating system, games etc.
You should benchmark the perfect combo with this mini pc with the AYANEO AG01 external gpu if its possible
Think you could pull off 4K30 or 4K60 with some games?
Title has a Typo, it says Radeon 809M
mate, the title is a little trippy
Bazzite on Radeon 890m Mini PC ✌
raw performance without upscaling?
I'm gonna repeat what people are saying in the comments of every ETA Prime Mini PC video. Demo the games without Frame Gen. Show us the actual framerate. It's frustrating that he's unwilling to show these devices performing below 60 FPS. It makes the videos seem more like promotion videos than videos to help viewers make an informed decision.
Cant wait for the price to come down in 5 years.
could have squeezed out more performance by going with a curve optimizer for the CPU
Would love to see how this PC handles gaming on Linux.
When is AMD going to realize we want the top of the line iGPU with the more basic CPUs?
Because you're asking for high end parts on basic CPUs. Even if they released that, it would be expensive.
@@MLGPRO-dx8fg - It would be cheaper than high end cpu with high end igpu. That's the point.
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 It also wouldn’t run well. If you pair a powerful GPU with a mediocre CPU, that GPU will only run as well as that CPU will allow it to. It’s like if you paired an RTX 4090 with an Intel Core i3 processor, it’s completely nonsensical and you’re just wasting money without getting any of the benefits. They will never pair a high end iGPU with a basic CPU.
@@sorrai - It's NOT a powerful GPU. They are great for what they are but ultimately they perform similarly to the bottom tier dedicated GPUs. Soooo ... No I idea what you're talking about.
And risk their highend cpu profit?😂
Also im corious about how budget cpu made, a separate silicon or just binned down high end chip. If its the 1st one, then it made sense since purposedly binning down chip will lower profit
10:53 Dont use Vsync cause there will be input lag, just cap the frames in game or in AMD Adrenaline. A lot of monitors and even TVs have freesync/adaptive sync now days, so no reason to use Vsync.
Great info
I'm surprised to see such a bump in IGPU performance on a DDR5 system. I thought DDR5 was our cap for performance.
i really dont understand the benchmark now... how come 890m can run like RTX4060 ??
Could it handle project cars 2 with a quest 3 ?
That would make a very interesting video.
If the capability is not recommended, the capability would be completely restricted or removed. The fact that it’s in the bios means AMD expects that it can and will be used.
mothertrucker
you almost baited me
Is it recommend to overclock HX 370 on laptop?
"Overclocked Radeon 809M"
Love your content, just fix typo in title.
How good is it at After Effect, Premiere Pro or Resolve?
C'mon man, you can't show how great this thing is by saying "1080p but FSR performance and low settings". That's what, 540p? And then you talk about Frame Gen but fail to tell everyone that your 70fps with Frame Gen is actually like 37fps and that AMD recommends a minimum of 60fps BEFORE enabling Frame Gen.
You are either intentionally misleading your viewers or making egregious mistakes. C'mon man. You gotta do better.
Think of him as TV Shop. He's here to sell us stuff.
The typo, I thought it was a new iGPU lmao.
*1100$ without shipping SKIP*
I'd rather build a Ryzen 5 7600 + Rtx 4070 gaming PC instead for that price and it will kill that stupid nonsense thing easily
1100$ mini pc without a dedicated GPU!! Pls be joke
The only instance where this device at that price makes sense is if you absolutely have to have a small form factor - there's a significant performance tax you pay if you want high performance in small form factors.
Also, your upgrade paths are virtually non existent
Yep it's ridiculous how overpriced it is.
yeah but that pc will draw more than 70 watts while gaming
@@wizy9098 Seriously !!!!
Go buy mac mini and draw no watts 😑
which is better this or SER9?
I think you should at least include the baseline performance for each resolution, without any kind of upscaling or frame generation.
Double the Timespy score of an overclocked 5700G in just 3.5 years.
Looking forward to AMD's future APUs with v-cache.
i'm glad i went with an assrock deskmini with thermalright cooler. it's silent.
think of the noise the tiny fans make.
Can you just include the link to the tools and link that you use for the video? If you are going to show it, others may very well want to follow and it would just make the experience a whole lot better.
Would this also work with my Minisforum EM780?
Wonder how OC the Apu affects the lifespan of the chip. By 50% life?
If u maintain good temps it will last. 60c plus on oc is good.
7:47 I just tested my Radeon 780M (12 CU) at 2.5 GHz and LPDDR5X-7500.
This Radeon 890M (16 CU) at almost 3 GHz and LPDDR5X-8000 generates 29% more fps.
Coming from almost 60% faster compute and 7% bandwidth.
AMD making a bigger NPU instead of removing it for Infinity Cache (iGPU L3) because of AI hype is just sad.
can we get a 1080p video pls eta prime im super curious if high refresh rate for low power useage?
Waiting (since 2022) for you to show us 4k gaming at 60 fps with these iGPUs , so i can play games on my 4k OLED 55" TV
4k 60 is possible only with a full desktop gaming pc, or a ps5 pro for half the price
You can get the Minisforum UM890 Pro since it supports external GPU. Buy the Beelink eGPU Dock and throw on a RTX 4070, and you can do 4k gaming, on Medium settings
I am waiting for the AMD HX390 Max (Strix Halo) chip with 40 graphics cores (CUs) to see if it can do 4k gaming out of the box
how would this handle 4K 60hz?
Can you test the MS01 but using the built in iGPU Iris XE graphics?
Hi, i have one question why test new technology with always the same old games is going to be interesting to see if is possible to run the new games actually and why you stop test the emulators also before you always do it and is was interesting anyway good job good luck for the future
Add the OCuLink port and I'd buy.
question is . can a laptop do that?(if we go igpu route it should be ultraportable kind ). for its price an sff would be better with a fractal terra or ridge
Laptop can do that, problem is can the laptop handle the heat.
And some laptop have locked bios, so choose carefully .
2:15 not only is the iGPU's name misspelt in the title, but the specs listed on the screen are also... ever so slightly tilted clockwise 😭💀
Can we use this overclocker on 8845hs?
Can you sho fan noise on load on each of this mini PCs ? :)
Where can I get the keyboard?
This is how the smallest Strix Halo might performs The HX 380 with Radeon 8500S. Early benchmarks show 4500 points at time spy.
I think Cyberpunk at Medium at FSR Balanced at 1440p could look great.,
If you didn't say the best I wouldn't know it was actually 890m
ngl i miss that intro song
7:34 FSR Performance at 1080p!!!???? Looking at the image will screw up my eye balls!!!
Can you run Gears of War 5 and Street fighter 6 pls?