The line between mini PC and SBC are getting more and more blurred. This is crazy powerful for an SBC and if it shipped with a case it would be sold as a mini PC. Great review as always.
@@polar_inertia technically speaking, the Single Board bit is what makes an SBC, if you are plugging in RAM or expansion cards/storage, its no longer an SBC.
this is "topton d13" like board and "aoostar gem10 7840hs" - same design, with 7840hs + 32gb 6400 ram and have same 3 nvme ports, on aliexpress with wood cover cost about 340-360 usd and was made in february 2024 so it's actually already a year old )
Looks like a perfect stream pc for people without a lot of space. Can’t wait for the release. It would only be better if it had arduino pins like the latte panda.
Once discounted this would make for a good PC to add inside my arcade cabinet. It needs to be €300 or lower though because with storage & RAM added, you reach levels where there are other devices that have extra benefits like Oculink.
7840HS mini PCs are nearly same price now, and most have VESA mount to TV already, if this is what you want to do. This will only perform better than SODIMM based units eith same APU.
A lot more powerful than the ROG, it's not power constrained like the ROG and other AMD handhelds, only using about 30% of the total TDP (12-15watts), this should be 100%, making it over 3 times as capable at full TDP (54watts), this also has twice as much RAM and is faster MHz RAM, you can also use this with a GBS-C for double FPS with line double mode, giving you 6-7 times the performance of the ROG AllyX.
OMG this is amazing, this is perfect! I've been waiting for a tiny SBC with usb4. And even better, the extra m.2 ports means i can put on an oculink too.
@@jinxmcg Wait, you can do that!? Use a NVME to PCI adapter to add a x16 slot to anything with NVME? I'm not, like, SUPER into mini PCs and SBCs but still, how did I not know that's a thing??? Why/ how are niche proprietary Oculink ports so hyped and wanted instead of just adding an extra multi purpose NVME, and by extension PCIE? I must be missing something here- If I understand you correctly, I can plug an external GPU (or any other PCIE device) into anything with an extra NVME, including one of my cheap laptops!
That $329 price point it right on the dot for what I would want it to be... there is a little bit of wiggle room, but you can't forget that you HAVE TO supply STORAGE AND POWER SUPPLY.... But the fact that it has 3 x m.2 slots @ PCIe Gen4 is the biggest selling point, for me, as SBC with the 780M ... I think this guy is gonna sell like HOTCAKES!!! well, at that price, if it's the 32GB model.... kinda sucks it doesn't hit the 7500MT but 6400MT isn't bad at all.. - THANK YOU!!! I can't wait to see this go up for sale.... HOPEFULLY it's SOON!!!!
@@tendosingh5682no, becsue those PCs have the RAM gimped at 2400MT. And for no good reason; 16 and 32 GB are the perfect size, once you choose your tier (16Gb for non gaming, 32 for gaming or other 3D works) you don't need to upgrade it snymore.
@@espertalhao041 I installed RAM once and never touched it again. That's been true for the last 3 PC's I've use. So, I have no issue with soldered in RAM.
For embedded industrial/commercial systems, one might as well use an U series SOC with passive cooling, also widely available on Ali. You know nobody is going to clean that fan.
Have a miniPC from aliexpress with the same APU and RAM amount, set to 8gb of vram. It's actually a blowing solution mini-system-PC! I'm playing Ragnarök right these days, finished Tsushima and Control recently with no performance issues on med+settings. Besides the GPU radeon 780m has AI cores and raytracing and is kind of great entry-level solution for some types of work. With that my Rhino 3d finally got some GPU acceleration. I should mention that linux works flawlessly with this hardware in any applications, even proton gaming.
I need this to have a case. My work can't get their act together to figure out a good dev env to run container workloads and k8s testing "locally"...so I am intending to buy myself my own little worker - and this would do super nicely. ^^
Dang in a small case with several other single board pcs you could cover all the bases x86 arm and risk5 inside a 3ltr case at a livable price point on your desktop
If you do not need a lot of space yep, could do a 2/1 ZFS for redundancy and software level error checking / power loss protection. But for a real NAS you would rather get a used Intel Server Board based platform or something alike from AMD with more lanes for extension Cards to add more storage. Usually you can get quite cheap used ones for older generations, that is how i got the base machine for my 16x3,5" TrueNAS server. Thought id really like to replace my "Homeserver" - i use it to run docker containers for VPN, Home Assistant, and so on. - or my PiHole server with a low power version. RPi is just not that stable.
They need to get it out quick if they hope to sell them. These mini PC internals that are 7840HS based are now late market and flooded, many already $350-400 USD in a case.
Things to consider for such a board... 1. This is meant to be built into other products. (Bartop retro arcade, virtual pool tables, video jukebox, robots, home automation panel, virtual/engine dj controller, etc. Somewhere you want small size, onboard cooling, and lots of power, with massive onboard storage potential) 2. The storage volume this is capable of would make for great emulation and PC gaming products. Of many types. Larger handhelds, bartop, freestanding arcade, virtual pool tables, portable projected game station, the options are endless. 3. Uncased = we intend this for tinkerer's and engineering people to build into stuff. Uncased = easier to enclose into a product and make it look like it belongs there. If the price point is what they are saying, this is something that interests me as a maker and retro gamer. 100%
@@ligametis If you are hosting a Home Assistant Server, with integrated PLEX, and 12tb of onboard SSD, throw in a little steamdeck integration, WLED lighting controls, Jarvis, etc... You could easily scratch the surface of this units performance. Double it up as a house-wide NAS, connect touch screen automation panels to it throughout the house... for 330$? You could even connect an HD/4k projector to it, and base the system in your media room. This little one could handle it ALL. Even from multiple running VMs... Easily. ;-D
Great video! Love these tiny no nonsense PCs. Man, I can’t wait to see what kind of performance you’ll be able to get out of the new 40CU Strix Point APUs!
Once they jam those things in those thing into mini pcs , literally 90 % of the pc market will only need those , even gamers, if they can put out 4060/4070 perf considering 90% of ppl that game use a 4060 or less. Honestly, those 350-400 dollar mini PCs that have the 7840s now are perfect and even overkill for everyday windows/multimedia tasks. Good time.. cheers !🎉
@@fuzzymuppet1990 100% agreed! And the beautiful thing is that for those 10% who need more performance, they can use one of the occulink compatible eGPU docks for a full performance gaming set up. Truly exciting times!
@chrisnesbitt_jr especially when the new pcie 5.0 cards drop, and when they make occulink 2.0 to support it comes out . They already make docks that have the abilty to hook to 5.0x4 m.2 slots but were still waiting on pci 5.0 cards to take advantage of it. This will double bandwidth and should totally remove most of the bottleneck there is now via occulunk/pcie 4x4.
Definitely a very cool and powerful Micro PC. This is perfect to buy or 3D print a case and mount on the back of a Monitor or TV just to have a small discrete but semi-powerful 1080P gaming setup. You never mentioned if this comes with built in WiFi & Bluetooth? I'd love to get my hands on one of these to start modeling some 3D printable cases for it and link them free to Thingiverse.
Ah, man. The fun I'd have with this thing. Sucks to be poor, lol, but it is what it is~ This SBC is absolutely insane! Can't wait to see the linux video
Stuff like this would be dope for having a portable or just a daily use Plex/Jellyfin server that could handle transcoding! If they can keep it below $400 at least. It being decent for PC gaming would be great for getting folks that want to get something to start out with. Way less to worry about with regards to trying to figure out a full build (and less costly if something happens to it).
This is the kinda powerful SBC I wanna see getting jammed into handhelds like the next Steam Deck and Sony's upcoming handheld. Love all of the I/O it has
Here is a fun idea. Get a M.2 to Oculink adapter and then get an Oculink external GPU dock and connect an external GPU to it and see how well the CPU functions without the iGPU getting in the way
why the obsession for external gpus you need a gpu, maie a itx pc, or even better, a normal pc that is cheaper this is a router or a miniserver with a good apu
Sounds like a nice option for some ppl that want super tiny yet able to play some AAA. Minisforum also makes a hockey puck sized PC with I think 7840U at 3.15 x 3.15 inches and ~1.6 inches tall. Has a couple differences, everything is soldered on and it comes with a PSU and naturally with a case. Might be a good alternative for someone looking for ultra small and doesn't need M.2 slots. It's about $650 in November of 2024 and tops out at 32gb / 1tb. ETA covered it I'm pretty sure a while back.
Is it time to go back to emulation testing. Very interested in seeing what the 7000/8000 series APUs can really do at 4K GameCube Wii u and switch. And if we're really lucky OG Xbox and 360.
Could become a nice proxmox cluster with ceph. Use the usb4 for 2x10g and hang harddisks of the other usb ports. Even add a virtual firewall/router to the 2.5g and go 😊
Can we finally have a sbc, or any affortable ATM computer, with at least 4~6 SATA ports so that we can build a NAS/server? The ROCK 5 ITX is a step in the right direction, but more competition would be nice.
If you are going to the trouble of plugging a bunch of HDDs together (plus a ppwer supply to run them all) in a box, why wouldn't you just use an mATX or ATX setup? You're barely going to be saving any space with a tiny board setup. Get a big case with good airflow, stash it in the basement, and it will happily run for years down there.
This looks like a good contender for a small home server, and definitely gets in my list along with other machines with the Ryzen 9 7945HS (16-core, 32 threads) and the new Ryzen AI HX 370. But the price point on this one looks way better
Amazing. I wonder if theres any power throttling. If I got a hold of one of these I'd design and 3D Print a mini chassis and plug in an airflow fan for funsies to see if it keeps it even cooler.
the GEM10 AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS mini PC is the exact same thing, lay out and all, if you want something really crazy, there's a GEM12 mini PC. only difference is its in a case
Having those 4x pcie4.0 nvme slots on the bottom, could make a really sweet super super small form factor pc with a gpu in one of them with minimal performance loss there.
Holy crap! The cpu time spy score is the same as my 11700k and dangerously close to my 7800X3D. Add an oculink gpu and you have desktop power. Amd knows what they are doing with these small form factor chips.
Just a tip for gamers out there: frame gen is barely an upgrade from using frame gen on your TV. Stick with native resolution... and turn off all the post-processing on your TV.
Love the size, however, there are unanswered Qs. First Q - Does this have a case/Chassis for protection? Second Q - Why is it using AMD 7 instead of 8 or 9? Third Q - Why no option for 64g memory?
Eta Prime if I understood correctly this tiny computer comes in two versions right?? Your version has an 8/16 processor and 32gb ram 5600mhz or 6400mhz?? Is there a website where you can buy something like that?? And did they release a case to hide all that electronics boo the device is cool.
If you could remove the fan and install it in a fanless chassis, this could just be the perfect PC for anyone working with audio. The question is if a fanless chassis could dissipate the heat fast enough from that CPU. If a chassis like that exist, it would have to be a very effective one.
Bring your own storage yeah no problem. But having to source your own barrell style power supply just seems a bit stupid to me. That can sometimes be a bit of a minefield depending on the application you need it for
Why going with this instead of a normal mini PC, since the board is basically strapped out straight from one of them. You will need an enclosure anyway, you don't just put it on a desk like this.
Man, this thing needs a Strix Halo BIG chip, and a noctua fan for really silent cooling It will be a MASSIVE jump from 780M (1050ti performance) to a 4070M (desktop 7600XT/2080/6700XT)
Statically allocating memory to the iGPU is not a good practice anymore! The GPU driver can dynamically grab more RAM if needed. By using static allocations you just make sure that the memory isn't available to the OS and applications for CPU purposes. The literal only reason to change UMA allocation nowadays is when a game is hardcoded to check for a minimum amount of VRAM and doesn't launch otherwise.
i think this board is actually meant as newer replacement for nvidia jetson nanos, small AI vision boards. that's why two ethernets and two hdmis and emormous m2 slots
Been looking for something to start my son's PC gaming journey. I didn't want a tower and was thinking mini PCs and this seems to fit the bill for the most part. just need the price tag before I can say yes or no
soldered RAM is understandable, and kinda acceptable for the form factor (as in to keep it as small as possible). But no USB PD for Power is unacceptable and I'm guessing this board isn't gonna come cheap to offset that con. It's a cool idea, and I'm guessing they're doing this to get rid of a lot of those 7000 series APUs, as there seem to be quite a few 7000 series mini-pcs floating around in the chinese market (aliexpress and whatnot) but again missed change with power not being a standard usb c imo.
It's shame they're not going to offer a 64GB or 128GB, that would be really useful for LLMs w/ Linux. Although I guess at least those 3 M.2 NVMe slots could be used with M.2 -> PCIe x4 adapters to add 3 GPUs - but that's a big additional cost + space and power required.
With a good case and a reasonable price tag, it can be a good console replacement, but I think it kills the SBC vibe. SBCs are designed to consume less power and maybe control some components via pins (like Raspberry Pi). This one is no different from a mini ITX gaming PC but does not have replaceable RAM. In short, it's not worth buying if it's not "much cheaper" than any mini ITX build.
This is 1000% just the main board of a NUC-sized mini PC sold as a SBC. I think there is a market for that (saving a few bucks because you don't pay for the case), but feels shady that they don't admit that it. I would prefer it if they sold those case-less PCs as something like "naked bare-bones" or "maker-edition". Maybe with some manual and 3dprint files available to put several of them together as a cluster, possibly even with a single PSU. The three m.2 slots with PCI-e are perfect to connect a GPU, NIC, RAID controller or HBA to them.
watching this with a sore shoulder from walking in the city with my heavy laptop that's half the performance of nowadays basic n100 mini PCs. time to switch
The line between mini PC and SBC are getting more and more blurred. This is crazy powerful for an SBC and if it shipped with a case it would be sold as a mini PC. Great review as always.
what's a mini pc if not an SBC in a case 😊
@@polar_inertia let's compare apples to raspberries in a scientific gravity test!
@@sativagirl1885 you don't sound very bright.
@@polar_inertia technically speaking, the Single Board bit is what makes an SBC, if you are plugging in RAM or expansion cards/storage, its no longer an SBC.
@@shemlesh Wouldn't that definition drop every single Raspberry Pi from the SBC category? They all need SD / microSDs plugged in
this is "topton d13" like board and "aoostar gem10 7840hs" - same design, with 7840hs + 32gb 6400 ram and have same 3 nvme ports, on aliexpress with wood cover cost about 340-360 usd and was made in february 2024 so it's actually already a year old )
thanks for the info, looking into it
Yeah, I owned it, 100% the same
They just took the board and campaign it on indiegogo
Hi, can you please give some link? THANKS!
@@MotorsportMadness-u7w Just google what he set into "" ... easy as that.
@@Pirate85_Original i know how to search, but can't find it on that price! That's why i am asking for a link!
What a mad performance in small package
Same as all the 780m mini pcs out there.
Have you checked mac mini?
@@jimd6776 Dude. You know it's overpriced, when it comes to upgrading RAM and SSD?
@@hadeseye2297 The base model is actually a really good deal. Never thought I'd ever hear myself say that about Apple.
wait until they launch the Ryzen 300 series, they will go above and beyond with their 40cu GPUs
This is exactly what I'm looking for as a aide to my MiniITX portable work PC.
Now I just need to see a reasonable price tag to go get one.
yeah reasonable, you wish
just buy a laptop
@@joonaas Why are you watching this channel?
@@dim3nt0 Well, if it is $329 as they say, thats pretty reasonable for its performance.
@@BearBronson we will see, we will see
I was stunned when you showed the gameplay, insane
@ETA Prime, please do a video by adding an decent enough external GPU using one of the M.2 Slot, probably using a M.2 to OCulink Adapter.
Good to see all the m.2 options. Could be a strong candidate for a home server
Looks like a perfect stream pc for people without a lot of space. Can’t wait for the release. It would only be better if it had arduino pins like the latte panda.
Once discounted this would make for a good PC to add inside my arcade cabinet. It needs to be €300 or lower though because with storage & RAM added, you reach levels where there are other devices that have extra benefits like Oculink.
looks like an awesome option to be used hidden behind a tv for emulation
@@patriktolomeotti I don't think you want to use something with a powerful cpu just for a apple TV box replacement
@@PruthuHegde With that powerful CPU and AVX-512 on hand, PS3 emulation is on the table. For retro gamers, that is quite significant.
7840HS mini PCs are nearly same price now, and most have VESA mount to TV already, if this is what you want to do. This will only perform better than SODIMM based units eith same APU.
I used my old Galaxy S10 that booted into Dex. Stayed plugged into a hub and just turned the phone on, plugged in power on the hub
Maybe for emulating PS3 this would make sense because this board is so powerful
this is basicaly an ROG Ally without the case, it's awesome to see something so small having so much power!
A lot more powerful than the ROG, it's not power constrained like the ROG and other AMD handhelds, only using about 30% of the total TDP (12-15watts), this should be 100%, making it over 3 times as capable at full TDP (54watts), this also has twice as much RAM and is faster MHz RAM, you can also use this with a GBS-C for double FPS with line double mode, giving you 6-7 times the performance of the ROG AllyX.
Um... and screen and gamepad and battery and storage...
That's like saying an engine sitting on skids is the same thing as a car.
@@Wobble2007 rog can switch power modes highest is 45w
Thanks for posting always!
this is just a mini pc without the case lol, no point on sbcs if they aren't cheap and readily available
OMG this is amazing, this is perfect! I've been waiting for a tiny SBC with usb4. And even better, the extra m.2 ports means i can put on an oculink too.
why oculink when you can put a pciex16 adapter directly and plug a gpu without loss?
@@jinxmcg Wait, you can do that!? Use a NVME to PCI adapter to add a x16 slot to anything with NVME?
I'm not, like, SUPER into mini PCs and SBCs but still, how did I not know that's a thing???
Why/ how are niche proprietary Oculink ports so hyped and wanted instead of just adding an extra multi purpose NVME, and by extension PCIE?
I must be missing something here- If I understand you correctly, I can plug an external GPU (or any other PCIE device) into anything with an extra NVME, including one of my cheap laptops!
Uhhhh!!! This is what is i was waiting for! Ty ETA!
That $329 price point it right on the dot for what I would want it to be... there is a little bit of wiggle room, but you can't forget that you HAVE TO supply STORAGE AND POWER SUPPLY....
But the fact that it has 3 x m.2 slots @ PCIe Gen4 is the biggest selling point, for me, as SBC with the 780M ... I think this guy is gonna sell like HOTCAKES!!! well, at that price, if it's the 32GB model.... kinda sucks it doesn't hit the 7500MT but 6400MT isn't bad at all..
- THANK YOU!!! I can't wait to see this go up for sale.... HOPEFULLY it's SOON!!!!
And the RAM is soldered, which is probably what bumps the price but drastically reduces the value of this.
@@espertalhao041 This is nothing more than what is in current 780m mini pcs. Cost wise its more expensive.
Maybe, an external GPU can be connected to one of the M.2 slots
@@tendosingh5682no, becsue those PCs have the RAM gimped at 2400MT.
And for no good reason; 16 and 32 GB are the perfect size, once you choose your tier (16Gb for non gaming, 32 for gaming or other 3D works) you don't need to upgrade it snymore.
@@espertalhao041 I installed RAM once and never touched it again. That's been true for the last 3 PC's I've use. So, I have no issue with soldered in RAM.
This looks really great for a proxmox-node!
Neat. ETA. Thanks for the preview.
329 for a 16GB model would be good. I will definitely use this for a kiosk products we build and add a local tiny LLM to run completely offline.
For embedded industrial/commercial systems, one might as well use an U series SOC with passive cooling, also widely available on Ali. You know nobody is going to clean that fan.
Wow, I loved it!
Stunning. What a great new baseline to compare things to.
Same thing as every other mini pc out, the one thing that'll determine if it's worth it over a mini pc is price.
Have a miniPC from aliexpress with the same APU and RAM amount, set to 8gb of vram. It's actually a blowing solution mini-system-PC! I'm playing Ragnarök right these days, finished Tsushima and Control recently with no performance issues on med+settings. Besides the GPU radeon 780m has AI cores and raytracing and is kind of great entry-level solution for some types of work. With that my Rhino 3d finally got some GPU acceleration. I should mention that linux works flawlessly with this hardware in any applications, even proton gaming.
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I need this to have a case. My work can't get their act together to figure out a good dev env to run container workloads and k8s testing "locally"...so I am intending to buy myself my own little worker - and this would do super nicely. ^^
Make one from lego.
Dang in a small case with several other single board pcs you could cover all the bases x86 arm and risk5 inside a 3ltr case at a livable price point on your desktop
This looks like an amazing NAS.
If you do not need a lot of space yep, could do a 2/1 ZFS for redundancy and software level error checking / power loss protection. But for a real NAS you would rather get a used Intel Server Board based platform or something alike from AMD with more lanes for extension Cards to add more storage.
Usually you can get quite cheap used ones for older generations, that is how i got the base machine for my 16x3,5" TrueNAS server. Thought id really like to replace my "Homeserver" - i use it to run docker containers for VPN, Home Assistant, and so on. - or my PiHole server with a low power version. RPi is just not that stable.
I would love to retrofit a broken ps1 or famicon with this for a stealth build.
it is a bit too tall for the orignal ps1, but sounds interesting the project
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What a little power house!
They need to get it out quick if they hope to sell them. These mini PC internals that are 7840HS based are now late market and flooded, many already $350-400 USD in a case.
890m flood incoming.
i think already no one is gonna buy it, $329 for no storage or power supply
@tendosingh5682 Not until Kraken / Krackan Point. The Z2 interlude will be lower volume.
@nickjones1609 They'll have to do better than that, hope they're watching the comments.
@@drewnewby best believe I’m watching your comments now baby boy Drew (;
Things to consider for such a board...
1. This is meant to be built into other products. (Bartop retro arcade, virtual pool tables, video jukebox, robots, home automation panel, virtual/engine dj controller, etc. Somewhere you want small size, onboard cooling, and lots of power, with massive onboard storage potential)
2. The storage volume this is capable of would make for great emulation and PC gaming products. Of many types. Larger handhelds, bartop, freestanding arcade, virtual pool tables, portable projected game station, the options are endless.
3. Uncased = we intend this for tinkerer's and engineering people to build into stuff.
Uncased = easier to enclose into a product and make it look like it belongs there.
If the price point is what they are saying, this is something that interests me as a maker and retro gamer. 100%
Yeah, looks like he didn't include links to the board, tho
@@MorganEdgy The indiegogo is coming soon
@@aab.videos ah, cool
what home automation needs such performance? for many even simple relays do the job.
@@ligametis If you are hosting a Home Assistant Server, with integrated PLEX, and 12tb of onboard SSD, throw in a little steamdeck integration, WLED lighting controls, Jarvis, etc... You could easily scratch the surface of this units performance. Double it up as a house-wide NAS, connect touch screen automation panels to it throughout the house... for 330$? You could even connect an HD/4k projector to it, and base the system in your media room. This little one could handle it ALL. Even from multiple running VMs... Easily. ;-D
This is exactly what I am looking for!!!
To put it in perspective, that 3D mark timepsy score is higher than the Rx 470 and GTX 970. Neat!
I love that it looks like a giant IC package
This little thing will be a perfect upgrade for my plex/nas server.
Great video! Love these tiny no nonsense PCs. Man, I can’t wait to see what kind of performance you’ll be able to get out of the new 40CU Strix Point APUs!
Once they jam those things in those thing into mini pcs , literally 90 % of the pc market will only need those , even gamers, if they can put out 4060/4070 perf considering 90% of ppl that game use a 4060 or less. Honestly, those 350-400 dollar mini PCs that have the 7840s now are perfect and even overkill for everyday windows/multimedia tasks. Good time.. cheers !🎉
@@fuzzymuppet19901080P gaming is obsolete
@@fuzzymuppet1990 100% agreed! And the beautiful thing is that for those 10% who need more performance, they can use one of the occulink compatible eGPU docks for a full performance gaming set up. Truly exciting times!
@chrisnesbitt_jr especially when the new pcie 5.0 cards drop, and when they make occulink 2.0 to support it comes out . They already make docks that have the abilty to hook to 5.0x4 m.2 slots but were still waiting on pci 5.0 cards to take advantage of it. This will double bandwidth and should totally remove most of the bottleneck there is now via occulunk/pcie 4x4.
Definitely a very cool and powerful Micro PC. This is perfect to buy or 3D print a case and mount on the back of a Monitor or TV just to have a small discrete but semi-powerful 1080P gaming setup. You never mentioned if this comes with built in WiFi & Bluetooth? I'd love to get my hands on one of these to start modeling some 3D printable cases for it and link them free to Thingiverse.
Ah, man. The fun I'd have with this thing. Sucks to be poor, lol, but it is what it is~
This SBC is absolutely insane! Can't wait to see the linux video
Stuff like this would be dope for having a portable or just a daily use Plex/Jellyfin server that could handle transcoding! If they can keep it below $400 at least. It being decent for PC gaming would be great for getting folks that want to get something to start out with. Way less to worry about with regards to trying to figure out a full build (and less costly if something happens to it).
This is the kinda powerful SBC I wanna see getting jammed into handhelds like the next Steam Deck and Sony's upcoming handheld. Love all of the I/O it has
Here is a fun idea. Get a M.2 to Oculink adapter and then get an Oculink external GPU dock and connect an external GPU to it and see how well the CPU functions without the iGPU getting in the way
That be a pretty good PiHole or Home Assistant system considering you could use the nvme ports for ZFS.
you can use an external GPU with a m.2 to PCIe adapter
why the obsession for external gpus
you need a gpu, maie a itx pc, or even better, a normal pc that is cheaper
this is a router or a miniserver with a good apu
Custom handhelds about to go off 🔥
Sounds like a nice option for some ppl that want super tiny yet able to play some AAA.
Minisforum also makes a hockey puck sized PC with I think 7840U at 3.15 x 3.15 inches and ~1.6 inches tall. Has a couple differences, everything is soldered on and it comes with a PSU and naturally with a case. Might be a good alternative for someone looking for ultra small and doesn't need M.2 slots. It's about $650 in November of 2024 and tops out at 32gb / 1tb. ETA covered it I'm pretty sure a while back.
first visit on your channel! cool product, would have loved to see Cinebench performance!
What’s the uclck aka memory controller run at with 6400mts ram? Is it 1:1 or 1:2? 3200mhz or 1600mhz?
Is it time to go back to emulation testing. Very interested in seeing what the 7000/8000 series APUs can really do at 4K GameCube Wii u and switch. And if we're really lucky OG Xbox and 360.
No name, no link? However, at $329 is very compelling! is this HDMI 2.1? The extra m.2 slot could be used for external GPU
Could become a nice proxmox cluster with ceph. Use the usb4 for 2x10g and hang harddisks of the other usb ports. Even add a virtual firewall/router to the 2.5g and go 😊
Can we finally have a sbc, or any affortable ATM computer, with at least 4~6 SATA ports so that we can build a NAS/server? The ROCK 5 ITX is a step in the right direction, but more competition would be nice.
If you are going to the trouble of plugging a bunch of HDDs together (plus a ppwer supply to run them all) in a box, why wouldn't you just use an mATX or ATX setup? You're barely going to be saving any space with a tiny board setup. Get a big case with good airflow, stash it in the basement, and it will happily run for years down there.
3 m.2 slots means you can use one for an eGPU (e.g m.2 to oculink)
or, buy a normal pc and avoid oculink, and use this routerboard as what it is, a nice server routerbpard with a apu
This looks like a good contender for a small home server, and definitely gets in my list along with other machines with the Ryzen 9 7945HS (16-core, 32 threads) and the new Ryzen AI HX 370. But the price point on this one looks way better
Nice, could drop it in with other nominal 12 volt stuff.
Amazing. I wonder if theres any power throttling. If I got a hold of one of these I'd design and 3D Print a mini chassis and plug in an airflow fan for funsies to see if it keeps it even cooler.
the GEM10 AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS mini PC is the exact same thing, lay out and all, if you want something really crazy, there's a GEM12 mini PC. only difference is its in a case
Having those 4x pcie4.0 nvme slots on the bottom, could make a really sweet super super small form factor pc with a gpu in one of them with minimal performance loss there.
this thing is an engineering marvel
it's just the mobo of "Aoostar GEM10"
Throwing an oculink board on one of the slots and building an enclosure could make for an awesome 1L PC with something like aloe profile 4060
That little board is amazing! Would be good if there were some alternative cooling solutions for it.
Holy crap! The cpu time spy score is the same as my 11700k and dangerously close to my 7800X3D. Add an oculink gpu and you have desktop power. Amd knows what they are doing with these small form factor chips.
you showcase a product but you never show any links as to where to find that! amazing!
a gorgeous pocket toy for today
That's a very, very good home server there.
Something similar to Steam OS? You mean Nobara? Bazzite and it's latest version apparently isn't as good as the latest version of Nobara.
Just a tip for gamers out there: frame gen is barely an upgrade from using frame gen on your TV. Stick with native resolution... and turn off all the post-processing on your TV.
This is just a Ryzen 7840HS mini PC without the case lol
Long time no see eta prime
Love the size, however, there are unanswered Qs. First Q - Does this have a case/Chassis for protection? Second Q - Why is it using AMD 7 instead of 8 or 9? Third Q - Why no option for 64g memory?
Eta Prime if I understood correctly this tiny computer comes in two versions right?? Your version has an 8/16 processor and 32gb ram 5600mhz or 6400mhz?? Is there a website where you can buy something like that?? And did they release a case to hide all that electronics boo the device is cool.
I wonder if this would be useful for a tiny server, if we could split the PCI-E lanes out so I can get access to them for hardware RAID reasons.
looks like a good little board to make a diy deck
If you could remove the fan and install it in a fanless chassis, this could just be the perfect PC for anyone working with audio. The question is if a fanless chassis could dissipate the heat fast enough from that CPU. If a chassis like that exist, it would have to be a very effective one.
Bring your own storage yeah no problem. But having to source your own barrell style power supply just seems a bit stupid to me. That can sometimes be a bit of a minefield depending on the application you need it for
This is basically an Aoostar Gem10 board minus the oculink
True, that's a pricey version though
Mini pc without a case
you should totally build a handheld gaming PC with this thing
This looks like a naked mini pc. Definitely brings the term “barebones” to a new level
Why going with this instead of a normal mini PC, since the board is basically strapped out straight from one of them. You will need an enclosure anyway, you don't just put it on a desk like this.
Man, this thing needs a Strix Halo BIG chip, and a noctua fan for really silent cooling
It will be a MASSIVE jump from 780M (1050ti performance) to a 4070M (desktop 7600XT/2080/6700XT)
Nice look like a beasty raspberry pi 😎🤙🏾
Statically allocating memory to the iGPU is not a good practice anymore! The GPU driver can dynamically grab more RAM if needed. By using static allocations you just make sure that the memory isn't available to the OS and applications for CPU purposes. The literal only reason to change UMA allocation nowadays is when a game is hardcoded to check for a minimum amount of VRAM and doesn't launch otherwise.
Pretty pog 🤩
This would be interesting with an egpu as well :)
i think this board is actually meant as newer replacement for nvidia jetson nanos, small AI vision boards. that's why two ethernets and two hdmis and emormous m2 slots
Been looking for something to start my son's PC gaming journey. I didn't want a tower and was thinking mini PCs and this seems to fit the bill for the most part. just need the price tag before I can say yes or no
soldered RAM is understandable, and kinda acceptable for the form factor (as in to keep it as small as possible). But no USB PD for Power is unacceptable and I'm guessing this board isn't gonna come cheap to offset that con. It's a cool idea, and I'm guessing they're doing this to get rid of a lot of those 7000 series APUs, as there seem to be quite a few 7000 series mini-pcs floating around in the chinese market (aliexpress and whatnot) but again missed change with power not being a standard usb c imo.
Saw it has a gaming optimized setting for the gpu, would like to see if it changes it's performance.
It's shame they're not going to offer a 64GB or 128GB, that would be really useful for LLMs w/ Linux. Although I guess at least those 3 M.2 NVMe slots could be used with M.2 -> PCIe x4 adapters to add 3 GPUs - but that's a big additional cost + space and power required.
Pretty dope!
would love to see this hooked up to an egpu setup!
Can't wait for the Steam Dock.
price if its too expensive it will likely only shift a few units
With a good case and a reasonable price tag, it can be a good console replacement, but I think it kills the SBC vibe. SBCs are designed to consume less power and maybe control some components via pins (like Raspberry Pi). This one is no different from a mini ITX gaming PC but does not have replaceable RAM.
In short, it's not worth buying if it's not "much cheaper" than any mini ITX build.
Hope they release two options. I'd love the full fat version....hurry up and release it please so I can buy one! Or two...
This is 1000% just the main board of a NUC-sized mini PC sold as a SBC.
I think there is a market for that (saving a few bucks because you don't pay for the case), but feels shady that they don't admit that it.
I would prefer it if they sold those case-less PCs as something like "naked bare-bones" or "maker-edition". Maybe with some manual and 3dprint files available to put several of them together as a cluster, possibly even with a single PSU.
The three m.2 slots with PCI-e are perfect to connect a GPU, NIC, RAID controller or HBA to them.
watching this with a sore shoulder from walking in the city with my heavy laptop that's half the performance of nowadays basic n100 mini PCs. time to switch
Looks perfectly to make a handheld out of 😅
That's amazing please send it to me when you're done playing with it🙏🏽
Where do we find this ? NexT-SBC ? What is the price ?