Watch Shopping With Kirby Allison - Building A Four Watch Collection

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  • Опубліковано 19 тра 2023
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  • @g.shumway5925
    @g.shumway5925 Рік тому +599

    Kirby: I’m new to watches. Also Kirby: I have a Chopard Perpetual Calendar on my wrist. 😂

    • @cashau2965
      @cashau2965 Рік тому +14

      ...at least he's willing to learn....and to expand his audience😂😂😂

    • @thathomiejayr
      @thathomiejayr Рік тому +3

      IKR! 😂

    • @rwyo83
      @rwyo83 Рік тому +13

      It's funny how they want to brainwash you to buy these expensive watches that only cost $500 or less to produce

    • @ieditedmyname289
      @ieditedmyname289 Рік тому +52

      @@rwyo83
      Ya, and here comes another internet expert without any concept of labour, branding and supply chain. Make a screw driver with the finishing quality of that Chopard and tell us how much it cost you.

    • @kart182
      @kart182 11 місяців тому +7

      @@ieditedmyname289yeah I don’t understand these clowns. I can understand that there are such things as overpriced products, but saying that chopard costs 500 😂

  • @S3v3n13tt3r5
    @S3v3n13tt3r5 Рік тому +248

    What an unexpected but so obvious in retrospect crossover! Love it

  • @rajithaww
    @rajithaww Рік тому +202

    I believe Kirby has great variety in his 4 piece collection. With that JLC and Grand Seiko you cannot go wrong 🥇

  • @johnsager9481
    @johnsager9481 Рік тому +170

    I don’t think Kirby understands the concept of casual.

    • @joshuagutierrez335
      @joshuagutierrez335 Рік тому +36

      I think Kirby may be on a one-man mission to redefine what the rest of us think of as ‘business casual’ as ‘casual.’

    • @Blackpowderdad
      @Blackpowderdad Рік тому +46

      Causal Kirby is just him in his cheapest suit lol

    • @NK-wy8wp
      @NK-wy8wp Рік тому +13

      And I love it lol

    • @guitar911rock
      @guitar911rock Рік тому +9

      we need someone that emphasizes dressing well that we even have to consider casual. love it

    • @scottehrenkranz3951
      @scottehrenkranz3951 Рік тому +1

      Kirby lives in Dallas, where everyone is a “40k millionaire” they’re all desperate for attention

  • @tbprofile1295
    @tbprofile1295 Рік тому +87

    Kirby's Chopard perpetual calendar on the wrist takes the win!

  • @khaaaaaaaaaannn
    @khaaaaaaaaaannn Рік тому +134

    Kirby absolutely smashed this, despite choosing a dress watch for his casual category 😂

    • @stupedcraig
      @stupedcraig Рік тому

      Thats casual for him. Wait till you see him dressed up.

    • @hb6747
      @hb6747 10 днів тому

      You can absolutely wear a dress watch in a casual setting. But a sport or tool watch cannot typically be worn in a formal setting

  • @BeckVMH
    @BeckVMH Рік тому +72

    I don’t think I’d really considered whether Kirby was a watch guy, but makes sense he would have some working knowledge as it’s a necessary accessory. And I believe he knows more about watches than he implied. His Chopard 38mm fit his wrist and personality well and he seemed quite familiar rattling off those complications. Edit: Nod to Kirby for the win.

  • @venzonian
    @venzonian Рік тому +60

    As fan of both channels. I would have made a judgement if they wore it with their sharp outfits and the complementing watches that goes with the outfit gets an extra point. Two of the sharpest dressed men on UA-cam.

  • @kenryanpaluga7385
    @kenryanpaluga7385 Рік тому +121

    About time. Kirby needs a variety of watches to go with those suits.

    • @cashau2965
      @cashau2965 Рік тому +3

      ....not speaking of his shoes 😂😂😂

  • @declanhayes7226
    @declanhayes7226 Рік тому +115

    Not the crossover we deserve… but the crossover we needed

  • @davidroeder5548
    @davidroeder5548 Рік тому +28

    Kirby’s collection is stellar. Absolutely beautiful. Sorry Teddy, but I believe Kirby got this one. 🏆

  • @richardjean2257
    @richardjean2257 Рік тому +32

    I think Kirby nailed his collection. That reverso is just a stunning watch hands down. I would have preferred the Breitling Datora salmon dial versus the pistachio dial, but gorgeous piece nonetheless. I can’t wait to check out the next video 🙌🏽🙌🏽

    • @gamesgeargadgets722
      @gamesgeargadgets722 Рік тому +3

      That Datora is over 15mm, whereas the Pistachio is only 13mm.
      Honestly thats the main issue with these Breitlings is they are quite thick.
      Grand Seiko has a similar issue

  • @BasedHadrian
    @BasedHadrian Рік тому +371

    Now this is a crossover

  • @bradloncar6633
    @bradloncar6633 Рік тому +50

    Great to see a collaboration with these two great creators.

  • @rhendog7
    @rhendog7 Рік тому +10

    Kirby took the win for me... As long time fan of both channels, this seems like a VERY natural crossover. Would love to hear them talk fragrance or fashion as well...

  • @andrewplacko992
    @andrewplacko992 Рік тому +13

    Yeah Kirby's made some stunning choices, so much variety while sticking largely with dress orientated pieces. Great vid guys, Kirby's got my vote

  • @christian_alvz
    @christian_alvz Рік тому +11

    I’d go for Teddy’s collection, a great mix of different styles.

  • @stevethompson7910
    @stevethompson7910 Рік тому +11

    This is one of your best ever videos, Teddy. I think GS is the real winner here. That Riverso Duoface is gorgeous!

  • @CharlesOffdensen
    @CharlesOffdensen Рік тому +10

    The Chopard, that Kirby wears, is beautiful.

  • @TheHarryb
    @TheHarryb Рік тому +7

    I really, really love it when Teddy teams up with a guest. Kirby did not only have a good taste in watches, but he was wearing a damn good suit too.

  • @paulnetter4323
    @paulnetter4323 Рік тому +72

    Teddy always comes across as a down to earth, humble yet very knowledgeable guy, unlike the pretentious vibe I get from elsewhere...

    • @Blackpowderdad
      @Blackpowderdad Рік тому +12

      I love Kirby!! I hope to see him on this channel more

    • @AlteredSynapses
      @AlteredSynapses 11 місяців тому +13

      It takes guts to do what Kirby does and embrace traditional style in the age of t-shirts and stretch pants. Am I wearing a three-piece suit every day or even once a decade? Absolutely not, but I don't think calling him pretentious is fair. After watching many hours of his videos, he's unapologetic about his hobbies and interests, which happen to be expensive. The cool thing about Kirby (and Teddy) is that they give you accessible options so that while they remain aspirational - they're still attainable at the end of the day for people that go down this road. I appreciate both guys producing content, and I recommend Kirby's videos to anyone because they come from a genuine place with an appreciation of tradition, attention to detail, and craftsmanship. I greatly respect anyone who can take their passions and find a way to support themselves!

    • @Kenny-yl9pc
      @Kenny-yl9pc 7 місяців тому

      couldn't agree more! @@AlteredSynapses

  • @daltonimages2692
    @daltonimages2692 Рік тому +15

    So glad you did this video with Kirby! Kirby is the man. I watched him regularly as I was expanding my shoe and suit collection. It looks like he has amazing taste in watches too. Gotta say, Kirby beat Teddy in this!

  • @kevco01010
    @kevco01010 Рік тому +2

    Gotta say Kirby pulled it out on this one. That reverso and SBGW was gorgeous

  • @bardpitt4049
    @bardpitt4049 Рік тому +3

    I dream of making a watch collection with Teddy someday. He’s so down to earth, knowledgeable, and a genuine good person. My favorite UA-cam content creator by far.

  • @dannysimenauer5745
    @dannysimenauer5745 Рік тому +3

    I love to watch Kirby combine his sense of fashion to select watches. I like to dress well myself so I am going to check out his channel next.
    If Teddy and Kirby wear the watches they selected then I would say both WIN!

  • @easterneuropeantracksuit3312
    @easterneuropeantracksuit3312 Рік тому +53

    Teddy you should run a contest where you invite a subscriber on to compete in this challenge

    • @maxclark1991
      @maxclark1991 Рік тому +2

      but you (Teddy) pay for our watch choices :)

    • @doublettube7224
      @doublettube7224 Рік тому +1

      Best idea for a video! I can not wait for this to happen

  • @dominicrobertson7626
    @dominicrobertson7626 Рік тому +9

    I think Teddy's collection allows for a lot more versatility but Kirby's collection allows for some serious flare and fun

  • @ImperiousRex241
    @ImperiousRex241 Рік тому +2

    I loved this combined video and partnership. As an avid fan of Teddy and Kirby these videos are home runs. So much fun and informative. Adelante Teddy and Kirby! Keep them coming.

  • @LTTang
    @LTTang Рік тому +23

    Great job collaborating with Kirby. The man is instrumental in giving me an appreciation for Allen Edmonds shoes.

  • @midnightoracle982
    @midnightoracle982 Рік тому +51

    So much better watching teddy interact with Kirby than the gloating full of himself Kevin O’Leary who constantly interrupts and who actually knows less than he thinks. More of these please!

    • @DSPNJ
      @DSPNJ Рік тому +1

      Spot on midnight.

    • @yayayaokoksure
      @yayayaokoksure 10 місяців тому +1

      You just gotta embrace who Mr. Wonderful is in front of the camera. He's a shark.

  • @skyblue314
    @skyblue314 Рік тому +1

    Kirby's choices are spot on! Absolutely love them!!

  • @talha-khan1
    @talha-khan1 Рік тому +1

    Both collections are good. The Omega Small seconds in the color combo is beautiful.
    And the GS in ice blue that Kirby got, stunning dial and color ❤

  • @philorgneopolotin8762
    @philorgneopolotin8762 Рік тому +37

    That aqua terra is gorgeous. These are both great collections, but if you had to pick one of these for a “one watch collection” I think that just might be the best option on the planet.

    • @andreleverettejr3747
      @andreleverettejr3747 Рік тому

      Agreed' I literally saw it' paused the video, ran to the Omega AD, bought it, then resumed, it’s absolutely ridiculous in its look, I recommend it'

  • @libertyghost3053
    @libertyghost3053 Рік тому +10

    I love Kirby’s choices with the exception of the Cartier. Sub that for Teddy’s Omega and that’s my dream collection! Great vid guys.

    • @oaktree1628
      @oaktree1628 Рік тому +2

      Agree. The Cartier dial is too dark for me. A lighter dial would be better.

    • @msk3905
      @msk3905 Рік тому

      The Cartier looks feminine to me and that JLC is not my style would never consider.

  • @codmn1824
    @codmn1824 9 місяців тому

    This is a dream come true, watching Teddy and Kirby talk about watches. OMG, this is awesome

  • @TANEM315
    @TANEM315 6 місяців тому

    Really one of the best collabs, great chemistry, relaxed vibes, please do more of these with Kirby!

  • @Victestr0104
    @Victestr0104 Рік тому +10

    Teddy and Kirby look like they’re getting ready to chase down Neo in the Matrix

    • @tomplantagenet
      @tomplantagenet Рік тому +1

      “That is the sound of….inevitably “

  • @lensofben
    @lensofben Рік тому +8

    This is the crossover we didn't know we needed. Awesome video and would love to see him back!

  • @JSTEALTH
    @JSTEALTH Рік тому +1

    That b09 Breitling has my heart... beautiful!

  • @TommyRibs
    @TommyRibs Рік тому +1

    You both did an amazing job. Well done guys.
    The Breitling choices are both the best pieces they offer. That Rose Gold Cartier, that is pure class.

  • @hugochen2359
    @hugochen2359 Рік тому +22

    Finally someone classy

  • @olivierorban787
    @olivierorban787 Рік тому +3

    2 gentlemen in a Watch boutique, nice.
    GS Omiwatari for Kirby …

  • @jackdaniels8653
    @jackdaniels8653 Рік тому

    I love Kirby Allison's videos! 😃 Cool that Teddy made a video with him. 👍👍👍

  • @MSR1187
    @MSR1187 Рік тому

    Kirby is the Man! love his channel. Teddy got his best suit on around Kirby. Love it.

  • @Uracas2012
    @Uracas2012 Рік тому +3

    I like Teddy's collection better and that it is much less money is a nice bonus! This Kirby guy is great, I'll look him up on YT...

  • @aigriculteur
    @aigriculteur Рік тому +3

    There is a step up in your suit game Teddy. Fantastic fit on this one. Nice shirt too.

  • @brianwest1501
    @brianwest1501 10 днів тому

    Teddy is a class act. Down to earth! Humble. Never bet against TB! Cheers!

  • @silverfish764
    @silverfish764 11 місяців тому

    Kirby has such a great taste. I personally gravitate towards

  • @charlesenewkirk4216
    @charlesenewkirk4216 Рік тому +31

    Very hard pick. Kirby’s dial colors are striking, but cost and lack of diversity gives Teddy the win to me. Four sharp, unique, complicated watches with excellent value for money.

  • @ChinmoyLad
    @ChinmoyLad Рік тому +9

    Reverso as a first pick. Loving it (bout to get my own soon!)

  • @laurentphilips2481
    @laurentphilips2481 Рік тому +1

    As some pointed out, unexpected yet awesome collab! Would love to see more of these two. For me, this match would have been the perfect opportunity to delve into vintage watches (perhaps at a vintage watch shop). Looking forward to the next one

  • @Mrblitz1819
    @Mrblitz1819 Рік тому +3

    Kirby takes the win !!!!

  • @flytheskymyway
    @flytheskymyway Рік тому +3

    Got to go with Teddy.
    It suits my style.
    And style trumps price.

  • @Docmeff1
    @Docmeff1 Рік тому +2

    All choices were superb. I enjoyed bachendorfs. I've bought three watches from that very store.

  • @carlinman539
    @carlinman539 Рік тому +1

    A couple of my favorite nerds! Stay awesome gentlemen.

  • @timbronitskiy6603
    @timbronitskiy6603 Рік тому +8

    I absolutely love this collaboration! Bring Kevin O'leary into the next collaboration with Kirby!! I really like that idea and I believe it could be a good hit!!

    • @neightkey6539
      @neightkey6539 Рік тому

      Kevin will crush Kirby

    • @timbronitskiy6603
      @timbronitskiy6603 Рік тому +2

      @@neightkey6539 I don't deny that, I just want to see more collections in one video to compare to one another

    • @greggani4716
      @greggani4716 Рік тому

      @@timbronitskiy6603 Kevin's cheapest watch cost more than 4 of those they picked! lolo, would be a good video!

    • @timbronitskiy6603
      @timbronitskiy6603 Рік тому +1

      @@greggani4716 I'm specifically talking about the collections they build from the store, not the ones they have😁 I already know that Kevin's collection is too OP

    • @rezathenightfly
      @rezathenightfly Рік тому +4

      @@neightkey6539 Also, Kirby will not get a word in edgeways at all with Kevin.

  • @BlagoP
    @BlagoP Рік тому +33

    If Kirby were conscripted he would show up to the army wearing a suit.

  • @imarioiv
    @imarioiv Рік тому +1

    I’ve got that exact reference small seconds AT, and absolutely love it.

  • @antonypinque5394
    @antonypinque5394 Рік тому

    Kirby killed it!! Way to go.
    But the longines and omega are fantastic as well. Well done!

  • @bytex666
    @bytex666 Рік тому +5

    1 for kirby here
    The way I see it, Kirby was thinking more about the colour of the dial, matching it with different coloured shirts and suits, while Teddy has more of a practical style. I actually liked Kirby's collection the most here.. And of course, only a few people can walk into a store and spend $44k on watches.

  • @johnnychin
    @johnnychin Рік тому +44

    Picking a 3-hand 37mm manual wound Grand Seiko as a "casual" option is the most Kirby Allison thing ever. Great collab Teddy!

    • @lihanou
      @lihanou Рік тому +3

      Lmao true, dress means casual

    • @TH.W
      @TH.W Рік тому

      I normally think Kirby's taste in things is a bit bland, but I own and love that watch, so I can't fault that choice.

  • @oldschooldrumcorps
    @oldschooldrumcorps 11 місяців тому

    Two of my favorite style advocates. If you’re a man seeking to upgrade your style from suit to shoes, Kirby. For watching watches, Teddy. I’ve been subscribed to both from the beginning of each of their channels.

  • @nicolasrodriguez4399
    @nicolasrodriguez4399 Рік тому +1

    The Collaboration we needed! Pure Class!

  • @robertwilliams1286
    @robertwilliams1286 Рік тому +43

    Kirby Allison is the Teddy Baldassare of the men's dress wear and grooming world

    • @crow2967
      @crow2967 Рік тому +1

      Maybe if you were born in 1920.
      Still, he looks class

    • @zillsburyy1
      @zillsburyy1 Рік тому +1

      @@crow2967 real men real style

  • @jonnygobang87
    @jonnygobang87 Рік тому +3

    I always wonder what watch you have on your wrist in each video. Maybe you can clue us in in a few videos. Start off with the watch you're currently wearing and why.

  • @yoshomiamoto
    @yoshomiamoto Рік тому +1

    Funny, I just got the Seiko SBGW283 literally a week ago. I think it's great that Kirby picked the same watch, I was not expecting that.

  • @gastondeveaux3783
    @gastondeveaux3783 Рік тому

    Two fine gentlemen. Great to see you together. The Cartier and Grand Seiko that Kirby picked just jump out at me as pure beauties.

  • @henrywest7217
    @henrywest7217 Рік тому +3

    Those are eight pieces that could individually each be a point of pride. They are all fantastic.

  • @roshanmahtir940
    @roshanmahtir940 Рік тому +5

    When two men come together to solve the world's toughest problems.

  • @billkeaveney1526
    @billkeaveney1526 11 місяців тому

    Great to see these two gentlemen combined

  • @saqz11
    @saqz11 Рік тому +15

    The collaboration I never knew I needed. Thank you Teddy & Kirby, love both of your videos!

  • @kris6592
    @kris6592 Рік тому +19

    Sorry Teddy, Kirby won as soon as he selected the Reverso.......

    • @aaronmauer7225
      @aaronmauer7225 Рік тому +1

      I did like 2 of his watches and found the other 2 very underwhelming. Teddy had much better balance in his collection

  • @jethrojacinto2798
    @jethrojacinto2798 Рік тому +2

    Well this is a crossover from two of my favorite YT content creators I didn’t think I’d see but suspected to say the least.

  • @bluewato
    @bluewato Рік тому

    Kirby... hands down Teddy... It belongs to Kirby. Love both channels... Such as alway what a blast of content!!! Thank you again!!!!

  • @bobboban2782
    @bobboban2782 Рік тому +3

    Love the high waisted pants Kirby is wearing.

  • @CJoshuaJimenez
    @CJoshuaJimenez Рік тому +37

    This is a collab that just makes sense 💪🏽

  • @kishanpurohit2145
    @kishanpurohit2145 9 місяців тому

    Two of my Favourite UA-camr collaborating makes me so happy.

  • @williamproctor4388
    @williamproctor4388 Рік тому +2

    It’s about time you two did a video together 👍

  • @alejandroolivares-nunez7896
    @alejandroolivares-nunez7896 Рік тому +12

    Oh very cool! Kirby is the man! Solid collaboration!

  • @XHobbiesPrime
    @XHobbiesPrime Рік тому +10

    Great video. Teddy I love your stuff but Kirby smashed it here. All of his pieces were stunners. That JLC and that Grand Seiko were so beautiful. I really did like the Longines Diver and I loved both Breitlings a lot.

  • @TheEagles427
    @TheEagles427 Рік тому

    Teddy, your picks were what I would prefer. Great presentation…thanks.

  • @robertclarkson6064
    @robertclarkson6064 Рік тому

    Going with Kirby. Thanks again guys.

  • @Nefville
    @Nefville Рік тому +45

    First with Hugo and now Kirby, Teddy has gone deep down the sartorial rabbit hole. I'd love to see you do a crossover with Eddie from Davidoff of London. I'll give this one to Kirby, I like what he has going there.

    • @adi2602
      @adi2602 Рік тому

      Make this happen 🫡

  • @shubhanshjain
    @shubhanshjain Рік тому +19

    Both Teddy and Kirby dressed sharp for this crossover, thorough gentlemen!

  • @richardbartlett6932
    @richardbartlett6932 Рік тому +1

    I enjoy Kirby's trips around the finer shops of central London. My old hunting ground when i lived in uk
    A joyous collaboration without ego im sure they will remain in contact.

  • @17arando
    @17arando Рік тому +5

    I loved Kirby's picks, but as I'm judging the collection as a whole not just which 4 watches look nicest, Teddy's has more range and practicality. He can handle everything from suits to diving to travel to just a tshirt and jeans. Thats a complete collection.
    Good choices for Kirby, but that collection of watches never drops below a polo shirt, always has clean hands, and isn't likely to go swimming or do anything rough ever. Does seem to be how he genuinely rolls, but I like a collection that can do it all.

    • @Tangylives
      @Tangylives Рік тому +1

      Pretty sure the roughest thing his watches will see is getting some shoe polish on them. Can't imagine the guy wearing a G-Shock or anything like that.

    • @17arando
      @17arando Рік тому

      @@Tangylives Yeah, I think for most people G-Shock is probably overkill on toughness lol
      But I do think most people aren't quite so dandy as him and could use at least something that could handle getting a bit beat around without immediately invoking panic

  • @spanishjohn420
    @spanishjohn420 Рік тому +35

    this collab has made sense for years kirby and bulbasaur out on the lash

  • @jrobinson1454
    @jrobinson1454 3 місяці тому

    Just found this video and it’s beyond cool I came to this exact store recently and got my very first luxury watch from here. Amazing staff they have here and great selection.

  • @Blackpowderdad
    @Blackpowderdad Рік тому

    OMG my two favorite UA-cam guys in one video shopping for my favorite thing!! So happy lol.
    Kirby wins with the pistachio dial Britling and that manual caliber grand Seiko!

  • @andreleverettejr3747
    @andreleverettejr3747 Рік тому +6

    Just came back from Omega and I bought the Aquaterra Seconds hand, i just had to after i saw it here, its absolutely gorgeous 😍 thank you for this video im completely satisfied.

  • @Tick_and_Click
    @Tick_and_Click Рік тому +9

    Cool. I can see Teddy has stepped up in his suit game as well

  • @jerry2york
    @jerry2york 11 місяців тому +1

    Kirby obviously did his homework, some great choices. Teddy is always on top of the watch selections, more great choices. I can't pick a winner, I really like 2 from each contestant.

  • @tjs1189
    @tjs1189 Рік тому

    This is the crossover collaboration from heaven. This was amazing. I’ve watched both channels for yearsssss.

  • @luisdelaroca6314
    @luisdelaroca6314 Рік тому +5

    I felt sophisticated just by watching the video 🧐

  • @demcburney
    @demcburney Рік тому +3

    Kirby has this one in my opinion, however I love that omega!

  • @Theoriginalcoolguy
    @Theoriginalcoolguy 7 місяців тому

    Loved this. Hope to see more collaborations between these two!

  • @naveenkataria661
    @naveenkataria661 Рік тому +2

    Great picks by both...especially loved Kirby's Reverso & B09 and Teddy's Aqua Terra & the GS GMT. So I guess it was a tie for me.
    I spied some Chopard Alpine Eagles in the store, but sadly not the newly released Salmon dial one...that could have clinched victory for either collection 🥇

  • @robertknitzer7588
    @robertknitzer7588 Рік тому +5

    Very tough decision, but I’m going with Teddy’s collection. That being said, excellent choices by both parties.

    • @carllonnberg3027
      @carllonnberg3027 Рік тому +1

      Well, Kirby basically copied teddy on 2 of the picks

  • @mendipfox1650
    @mendipfox1650 Рік тому +6

    Careful. He’ll try and sell you a $1,500 lighter 😂

  • @oneashralph4076
    @oneashralph4076 Рік тому +1

    Never see this coming but its interesting & fun.Never though kirby would choose Grand seiko actually because of his personality but the piece he choose suit his style.Its beautiful dial & nice size