Gaming on ZEN 4 to ZEN 5: Windows vs Linux
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
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"Linux's headaches are haphazard, Win11 headaches are... deliberately adversarial" - This is why I'm really looking at linux instead of moving to Win11.
I feel like I'd rather dig in and learn something in troubleshooting Linux headaches, versus just soul crushing annoyance with Win11.
It's pretty good decision. It takes a week or two to adjust, and then you will forget about Windows.
YEP
Linux is a pain in the ass, I've tried switching several times. Got tired of having to fix so many things.
Still waiting for a good MSI Afterburner and RTSS alternative and proper HDR support and I'd jump to Linux in a heartbeat, I've tried Linux in the past but Mangohud is lacking and there's no easy way to undervolt Nvidia graphics cards, the lack of decent HDR support is lame if you have an OLED since you want as much HDR as possible with tech like that.
I really don't like the direction Windows is going in.
Honestly as somone who has been at this for a long time linux gaming is not that much of a pain in the arse, sure sometimes there is anti cheat issues or an update breaks a setting and you have to have a little play ( this happens on windows too by the way), but other than that most of the time you just install the game and play it.
I've been a lifelong Windows user/gamer. I've used Linux precisely as much as I've had to for work and personal uses where it was warranted. But I'll be honest: I'm closer now to daily-ing Linux than ever before, and videos like these keep poking that part of my mind to make the switch the next time I image my drive.
Awesome! Mister Merlin.
I switched about 2 months ago it is worth it
Since you brought it up, good sir, I'd love for you to do a deep dive into the state of gaming on Linux in 2024, ideally between a couple of beginner-friendly distros, pros/cons, something like that would be really cool and more importantly really helpful. =)
I second this!
I would enjoy this too.
Gaming on Linux is so great just for the simplicity of gaming once setup. There is no junk on my gaming rig
I hope valve makes all games work on linux and releases steam os for desktop.
Im not a Linux user, but I can easily tell Windows is getting to a point that people would rather deal with the shortcomings of Linux if they haven't gotten there already instead of sticking with Windows.
Brian from Yes Tech City showing Win10 vs. Win11
Wow. Never seen a video 1 minute after it released, before.
Really loving this back and forth of Hardware Unboxed doing unbelievable amounts of testing and Wendell improving the methodology and the overall understanding of the story.
Why is actual high speed ram support absent on both AMD and Intel?
There is DDR5 8000M T/S available, but it appears nothing can actually utilize all that speed.
amd doesnt really scale after 6400. intel doesnt really scale after 7600. you will find 6400 be faster than 8000 on amd.
@@CVLova This is not true, Zen 5 does scale at 8000, the problem is that it's hard to get 8000 stable on AMD, not all CPU / memory / mobo combo will do it. On Intel it's not much better, but it's better than AMD if you ignore other issues like not totally stable overclock and CPUs dying
@@gusgyn nope, Zen scales better with low latency than with higher MTs
@@CrazyPinkWomen If you look at benchmarks, 8000 is faster than those lower, it's just not worth the gains on how much you'd have to pay more for it
@@gusgynthat would mean bandwidth is problem. Excrpt like Wendel said the infinity fabric is atill limiting zen 5. So unless qaud channel Threadrippers 9,000 end up faster with RDIMM's, which they shouldn't. The limit is still the infinity fabric and they need t6o adjust to use dual infinity links from the i/o die to improve it.
That autofocus is going nuts, seems like the S5ii phase-detect AF still has some issues.
the king of perfect timed micro stutter is strange brigade and the outer worlds is crazy stutter.
OS are tools I swap according to my requirements. This usually means that I use Mint for most games and everyday use, Arch if something closer to upstream is needed, Windows for modded games and stuff that isn't available on a better alternative.
That's a comparison I wanted to see!
The 24H2 upgrade does more than just fix the ZEN problems. I say that as I remember that for at least one game the performance improved when using both AMD processors and Intel processors. But that was an outlier as most games performance using Intel processors didn't improve when the new update was installed. So there's more, but I don't know exactly what.
Wendel, some have shown that memory tuning has gone a long way for Ryzen. So much so that slower memory with tuned timings and settings is markedly better. Would you be willing to test that for us?
Great video, thanx for all the testing and data. Very interesting to see.
with gaming the most optimal situation is consitency in frametimes and no stutter to be present.Averages or maximum only shows you a little bit of the story. Thats part of the reason why DX12 is a better choice than Vulkan on PC, if given the choice.
I switched to Linux 2 years ago and haven't looked back. I run a Win VM just for some apps I don't care to try to run through WINE, but otherwise I'm 100% Linux now. Even if the performance in games is slightly less, I don't really care. I have far more important technical things to deal with that make actual money.
Do you have 1% low graphs as well? Thanks Wendell
Wouldn't that infinity farbic limit threadripper too though or does have the higher bandwidth of quad channel and octtochanel over come that?
Hey Wendell, any interest in checking the windows to linux zen4/5 performance disparity with an AMD gpu instead of nvidia?
When is 24H2 coming out?
If only major, but not mainstream, companies software would support Linux. I cant use my spectrometer with linux because of no drivers
Haven't played any games since Win 3, Missile Command I think it was called and I doubt Zen 4 or 5 would make any difference.
zen5 is good its windows that sucks
zen5 are shit ,overpriced one and this channel are lazzy or bribed with 4-5games testing and they test those which prefer zen5 cpus more so they choose this 5
@@Mr11ESSE111 yeah go ahead anx pay for that zen 4 7800x 3D for $599 on newegg. since zen 5 9700x for $336 off new is "over priced" & sucks.
@@Mr11ESSE111 zen4 msrp was more expensive than zen5 on release.
so you didn't watch the video?
I run the 24h2. gaming is awesome! But windows updated my system and I did not do a fresh install. I have a lot of crashes, the game just disappears. No system freeze, just lots of system crashes. So 7 days ago I did a fresh install but I forgot to make a usb stick with 24h2 and now I'm back on 23
that 97000x tho :3
Can Google release a mainstream Linux distro? I have a lot of reasons to leave Windows and Mac OS but I cannot right now.
Why would it have to be Google?
I can get 2200mhz IF on my 7600 though benchmarks (like cinebench, cpuz, etc) have all had higher CPU scores at IF 2166? Maybe its 2167 but yeah there is a performance bump for sure.
I get in the ball park of 2% which seems insignficant but its consistent.
satisfactory is running faster and just overall better for me on Linux than windows
15:46 I do!
Linux has bugs , windows has intentionally hostile design...... and bugs. Honest , i have played games on and off on linux for almost 20 years, its way better now and honestly less of a pain than windows. All my games are in a nice little launcher that has no stupid adds or bloat or what not and i can just play them. When i want to update the system it just updates and just works and when i want to install an application i just install it and it works i don't have to go though the windows bullshit.
I still like fine wine😉
Zen 5 losing 10% in some games on win 11 compared to win 10 on other getting 10% Microsoft is mess. watch kitguru new video
We were not ready for 4k. Vendor's and GPU maker's went way too ham on the marketing and just lied about what they would deliver in more then a slide show. Think 4k without 16gb+ of vram isn't worth the time of day. Without upscaling. Yuk.
I use a AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D and avoid all the poop.....lol
Now compare 10 to 11.
thats why HUB channel are above of all others because they are not lazy or bribed channel and they testing much more then 4-5 games ,40+ games and 9700x are bad cpu which are behind of even degraded 14th gen intel cpus
Most games are gpu bottlenecked now even at 1080p
There are people that play Forespoken?
..................... no. 😁
early crew
millionth
Identified as first .
Lazy channel with 5 games test which prefer crapy overpriced 9700x more !! every channel with such a low amount of testing games are or lazy or bribed
Why can't dumb Linux get games figured out.
20 freaking years now.
I will not use Linux again until they figure out gaming. Everyone should boycott Linux until they figure out gaming. I'm sick of this.
well. when most games was written for windows. it makes sense that gaming on linux would be inferior. gaming on linux is getting better, ive had some succes with cachyos. also with the release of steamdeck it has gotten better.
And linux user base will tank and who will port games to linux if there are no linux gamers?
And to where linux users will go, windows or mac😂
You use the internet. You use Linux.
No issues with gaming on Linux, you might confuse things with each other.
Like literal rootkit / trojan software that publishers are installing on your system concealed as "anti cheat", happily these crapware are also mostly sorted out on Linux, but some publishers just refuse to spend 15 minutes with enabling a flag, thus "support Linux".
If this was a real issue Steam Deck wouldn't sell. I couldn't care less about titles like Fortnite and some others while 90% of the other games are working.
TLDR It's either an intrusive anti cheat /publisher issue or it works.
There's a high chance that your phone runs Linux as well, can you play on your phone?
Games don't need to be ported to Linux, Valve / the community already solved this.
I suggest spending some time with the topic if you're really interested in it. I've also had my fair share of dumb UA-cam comments so I'd rather help you understand than trying to crucify you for this one 🙂
You commented this on a video showing Linux generally running Windows games as good or better than Windows.
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