@@7fatrats I've been trying but I don't think I'm quite there yet, I just need to keep find obscure useful cards, right now it's some weird life gain/death and taxes/life switching abomination
I've been waiting for a commander that would be perfect for my Minion of the Wastes. It's a star/star Minion creature with 'As Minion of the Wastes enters the battlefield, pay any amount of life. Minion of the Wastes’s power and toughness are each equal to the life paid as it entered the battlefield.'
makes lord of the forgotten seem more worth it, especially in standard. otherwise, looks like a build-around commander that would be tough to flip at times. I think I'll stick with Yawgmoth.
I think the biggest issue I see is that he transforms on the end step, so the table will always have a free rotation to deal with Ormandhal before he can swing in and regain you that life.
I’m guessing that possibility is why the sac is free, so you can pop a bunch of disposable tokens if need be in response to removal. Throw it in with Meathook massacre, Grave Pact, etc, and you can make it a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
Really isn't worthwhile for it though. It's a really shit effect on a really shit card sadly. The fact you have to wait an entire turn to get any real use out of it is the worst offence of this card too.
I may have overlooked it in the video but there is that 0/13 defender which can change is toughness with a players life total and you can change it back a turn later
Torgarr Famine Incarnate can be used to set your life total to 20 or an opponents in commander. In case this brings in any ideas for anyone else it could be useful for this deck.
Finally an Ormendahl commander, not as strong as the og but he's one of my favorite card from old innistrad. Hope a new version of withengar will come out as well, hopefully as a possible commander
I really like Pain's Reward with this card. It is more expensive, mana-wise costing a total of 9 mana, but think it can be more flexible. You can set yourself up to go exactly to 13 and if someone bids higher to stop you just let them lose that life.
There is also the card that is literally named the fear of 13 I can't remember the exact name, but at the beginning of your upkeep each opponent loses a life and you you gain a life or they gain a life and you lose a life, if anyone is at 13 they lose the game, or something close to that
This will be a perfect mono black commander i wouldn't mind trying to build around. I'll add this to my list after I'm done working on a tinybones deck hahaha
@@jacket2848 i believe it will be a fun one for me to test out for sure. This is no way a CEDH but casual I think you can do some manipulating to where it’s viable. If this commander had partner then you’d have more options to play with.
I plan on making a Jerren Shadowborn Apostle deck because the flavor is fantastic. The Apostles are Jerren's followers and Jerren replaces them when they sacrifice themselves to tutor up demons. Definitely better Apostle commanders, but I love the flavor of Jerren and the Apostles.
Opponent who struggled to get to 13 life: YES I HAVE HIM OUT NOW IM GOING TO WIN! Life gain decks, mono green, treasure...pretty much every other deck: I already have something else in the air with flying that is strong that I got out on turn 4
I believe Jerren could be a decent take on a shadow apostles deck since the apostles are humans! It would be a very neat and very flavorful demon tribal sort of shell for the deck! It sounds mega fun and flavorful to me :)
Are we going to be getting a video on Lynde, Cheerful Tormentor? I understand if not, but I've always been a huge fan of the curse enchantments and would love your opinion on the new curses commander.
Best part, in those colors....we have access to a total of 29 or 30 curses and that's including the ones that transform FROM creatures or INTO creatures
not going to lie but, Putting yourself at 13 just to get a decent body that gives you cards conditionally is garbage in comparison to going the Ad Naus or Necropotence route. But that's just my opinion.
that's not an opinion, it's a fact. But people like doing goofy things because that's they're brand of "fun". No problem with that so let them be goofy
my dark confidant finally has a spot where it doesn’t feel overpowered! whole deck is gonna just be human tribal but with hellllaaaa risky life loss just cause i can!
I need this for my Orzhov human aristocrat tribal that my commander is Tessa Orzhov Scion!! Tree of perdition into this then draw into my combo so nice
Easiest way to pull it off would probably be in a Blim deck then give them tree of predation force them to tap it with emrakul off of sneak attack then have a way to destroy the tree Lots of hoops but I plan to try to make it happen
@@Zendrig sorry shoulda said fastest, although saying that anything that you can pay life into endlessly is just as fast. It was just something that immediately popped into my head and became a personal goal, I already use and abuse emrakul in blim anyway so its just another party trick.
interesting and all but a very bad card to try to use. you go to 13 get a 6/6 by at least turn 6 if your lucky. so now you get drained by the Aristocrat deck, killed by the bird deck, dead to the burn deck, easy kill for the token spam deck, dead to elves or goblins, or trampled down by the stompy deck. also literally just dead to a Zacama deck. 9+ mana by turn 6 is pretty easy to do so can probably just insta kill you as soon as you hit 13 life. or leave you at 1 or 4 so then your really easy to kill next turn if you make it back to theirs.
This card seems really poorly designed. Why would I even want to transform it? Why not just keep my 1/1 human token engine? Why do I still have to pay 4BB even after going through all of that work? Why does the back side of this creature feel like something that could easily be printed on its own as an absurdly boring 4BB non-transforming creature? Why not just run the original Ormendahl card instead of this? The original Ormendahl is way cooler anyways and my EDH playgroup would probably be willing to rule 0 it.
And they made this a mythic? Really? You have to jump through the weirdest hoops to get to 13 life while praying your dude with no protection abilities whatsoever survives all that time, and then you also need to pay SIX fucking mana at one and only one precise moment of the turn?!!? Poor Ormendahl always gets hidden behind stupid clunky un-transformable cards...
Good for standard, shit for EDH, damn, not even worthy of a mention in EDH, payoff is a 6/6 body that doesn't even have indestructible. Best case scenario, you get to 13, you swing with this go to 19 and refill your hand IF you have something to sac to it AT BEST... shit it even transforms at the end of turn so you cant swing the same turn it transforms. At worst it's just flip it and it dies to removal and you get to draw some cards, something black can do pretty well with other cards. Free sac outlet is nice but again, black has a shit ton of that as well and you don't have to drop to 13. If you go with this as your commander the only card that comes to mind is Magus of the Mirror for some shenanigans, other than that I don't think this is worthy of a 14 min video.
I love your content...but every time I click on a video there is a solid minutes plus of filler. Every time. I get that you are trying to make people aware of your stuff...but honestly, it's just too much most of the time.
Every once in a while, we get a card that brings us closer to 13 life tribal
I cant wait for someone to finally build the 13 tribal deck
@@7fatrats I've been trying but I don't think I'm quite there yet, I just need to keep find obscure useful cards, right now it's some weird life gain/death and taxes/life switching abomination
@@coldramen6600 i have succeeded, if there is a 13 i got it...its not good though
@@TheKillerman3333 I can imagine, but I feel like it be a fun meme deck
Triskedaikaphobia
I love cards that turn into powerful demons
My playground once let me use Elbrus as a commander
It was really fun!
I really like this card
Thats sick that must of been alot of fun
My friend built a deck called spider surprise, Westvale abbey and Elbrus the binding blade are the surprise :)
Paired with the new Orzhov commander? Probably my favorite set in long time
Tree of Redemption perfect combo
Cast Tree of Redemption, give it haste and tap it. There you go, 13 hp
Tree of Perdition FYI
@@coolkamgaming9231 perdition is opponents only
Moonmist for an easy transform.
I've been buying up some Moonmist before this set for stuff just like this
That's so cool that it works for Jerren. Might need to pick up at least two more since I have a playset for my modern werewolf deck
I've been waiting for a commander that would be perfect for my Minion of the Wastes. It's a star/star Minion creature with 'As Minion of the Wastes enters the battlefield, pay any amount of life. Minion of the Wastes’s power and toughness are each equal to the life paid as it entered the battlefield.'
makes lord of the forgotten seem more worth it, especially in standard. otherwise, looks like a build-around commander that would be tough to flip at times. I think I'll stick with Yawgmoth.
I think the biggest issue I see is that he transforms on the end step, so the table will always have a free rotation to deal with Ormandhal before he can swing in and regain you that life.
I’m guessing that possibility is why the sac is free, so you can pop a bunch of disposable tokens if need be in response to removal. Throw it in with Meathook massacre, Grave Pact, etc, and you can make it a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
Maybe if in the 99 of a golgari (or witherbloom) you might consider tree of redemption? just tapping it brings you to the effect.
Really isn't worthwhile for it though. It's a really shit effect on a really shit card sadly. The fact you have to wait an entire turn to get any real use out of it is the worst offence of this card too.
I may have overlooked it in the video but there is that 0/13 defender which can change is toughness with a players life total and you can change it back a turn later
Torgarr Famine Incarnate can be used to set your life total to 20 or an opponents in commander. In case this brings in any ideas for anyone else it could be useful for this deck.
The past is a ghost that haunts you from the moment it exists until the moment you don´t -Gerrard of the Weatherlight 6:42
This set has been timely perfect for an Orzhov deck that I just built. Meathook Massacre, Jerren, and Liesa2 all slot in exactly as needed.
The Artwork is insane in this one. Well done!
Do transformed creatures keep any equipment/auras previously attached to them?
Finally an Ormendahl commander, not as strong as the og but he's one of my favorite card from old innistrad. Hope a new version of withengar will come out as well, hopefully as a possible commander
Jarren: *Is chosen to be in a budget deck*
Triskaidekaphobia: Hello there...
I really like Pain's Reward with this card. It is more expensive, mana-wise costing a total of 9 mana, but think it can be more flexible. You can set yourself up to go exactly to 13 and if someone bids higher to stop you just let them lose that life.
There is also the card that is literally named the fear of 13 I can't remember the exact name, but at the beginning of your upkeep each opponent loses a life and you you gain a life or they gain a life and you lose a life, if anyone is at 13 they lose the game, or something close to that
@@theravenflock6068 Triskaidekaphobia is the name you're looking for.
@@jettblade there were go, the effect might be off but yeah
This will be a perfect mono black commander i wouldn't mind trying to build around. I'll add this to my list after I'm done working on a tinybones deck hahaha
Getting from 40 to 13 sounds like a pain
@@MireVale I like those odds hahaha
Lol
This is a very poor commander. It's decent enough in a human deck with black in, otherwise this is an absolute garbage commander sadly.
@@jacket2848 i believe it will be a fun one for me to test out for sure. This is no way a CEDH but casual I think you can do some manipulating to where it’s viable. If this commander had partner then you’d have more options to play with.
I like this design but think transform cost is too much and/or the body you get is too small
*B/G Deck:* Oh look Humans! *_*slams down Moonmist and gets Ormendahl along with other transforming Humans*_*
Couldn’t triskaidekaphobia automatically counter this creature tho?
*Laughs in Tree of Perdition*
i think this one is a nice commander. the front is still interesting- i guess you build a token sacrifice deck wth recursion and YOLO mechanic
It's fun hearing my name so many times 😏
I plan on making a Jerren Shadowborn Apostle deck because the flavor is fantastic. The Apostles are Jerren's followers and Jerren replaces them when they sacrifice themselves to tutor up demons. Definitely better Apostle commanders, but I love the flavor of Jerren and the Apostles.
Opponent who struggled to get to 13 life: YES I HAVE HIM OUT NOW IM GOING TO WIN!
Life gain decks, mono green, treasure...pretty much every other deck: I already have something else in the air with flying that is strong that I got out on turn 4
I believe Jerren could be a decent take on a shadow apostles deck since the apostles are humans! It would be a very neat and very flavorful demon tribal sort of shell for the deck! It sounds mega fun and flavorful to me :)
Oh my god, this is going in my Silvar & Trynn deck IMMEDIATELY. Double the humans for Silvar AND a card draw engine? Yessss...
i managed to get villis broker of blood in a draft and yeah i might have to buy that so i can make a lifeloss villis deck.
Cant believe a perfect card for Selenia is coming out after this long.
But tell me though, would moon mist work with this?
yes. is it worth it, no. But do what you want
Damn, this is a good sac outlet
But but not super strong, I’m actually pretty impressed with the set so far, looks pretty fun and there are lots of cool cards.
Repay in kind using boseiju mana
Ormendahl is so cool.
Yeah. Too bad the poor guy always gets hidden behind PoS pain in the ass to transform cards...
Are we going to be getting a video on Lynde, Cheerful Tormentor? I understand if not, but I've always been a huge fan of the curse enchantments and would love your opinion on the new curses commander.
Best part, in those colors....we have access to a total of 29 or 30 curses
and that's including the ones that transform FROM creatures or INTO creatures
@@KBgamer2010 Especially with the new curses like Surveillance amd Maddening Hex, there's already so much potential.
@@BrambleStar1998 Those were counted too
@@KBgamer2010 I figured, I'm just excited. My apologies. XD
@@BrambleStar1998 no problem
Tree of predation?
Tree of redemption*
not going to lie but, Putting yourself at 13 just to get a decent body that gives you cards conditionally is garbage in comparison to going the Ad Naus or Necropotence route.
But that's just my opinion.
that's not an opinion, it's a fact. But people like doing goofy things because that's they're brand of "fun". No problem with that so let them be goofy
You’re totally right. The pay off isn’t nearly high enough for an incredibly difficult flip.
I just noticed that the art is just from different view points.
Don't forget to run the trees and triskadekaphobia
my dark confidant finally has a spot where it doesn’t feel overpowered! whole deck is gonna just be human tribal but with hellllaaaa risky life loss just cause i can!
Triskaidekaphobia players been waiting their whole lives to counter this card
Tree of Redemption
I need this for my Orzhov human aristocrat tribal that my commander is Tessa Orzhov Scion!! Tree of perdition into this then draw into my combo so nice
Tree of perdition specifies opponents.
Ahh i thought tree of redemption was the opponent one oops lol
I'm surprised that little werewolves have been shown, I wonder if more will be printed in the next set.
Theres plenty of werewolves, but not really commander friendly. They will absolutely rip apart standard
Easiest way to pull it off would probably be in a Blim deck then give them tree of predation force them to tap it with emrakul off of sneak attack then have a way to destroy the tree
Lots of hoops but I plan to try to make it happen
"Easiest"
@@Zendrig sorry shoulda said fastest, although saying that anything that you can pay life into endlessly is just as fast. It was just something that immediately popped into my head and became a personal goal, I already use and abuse emrakul in blim anyway so its just another party trick.
12:52
Now I'm sad Tree of Perdition specifies and opponent's life total.
At least there’s Tree of Redemption
Yay Innistrad :) Innistrad = more fun Demons :3
Tree of perdition go brrrrrrr
I hope we get a new Withengar in the Next Set o.o
interesting and all but a very bad card to try to use. you go to 13 get a 6/6 by at least turn 6 if your lucky. so now you get drained by the Aristocrat deck, killed by the bird deck, dead to the burn deck, easy kill for the token spam deck, dead to elves or goblins, or trampled down by the stompy deck.
also literally just dead to a Zacama deck. 9+ mana by turn 6 is pretty easy to do so can probably just insta kill you as soon as you hit 13 life. or leave you at 1 or 4 so then your really easy to kill next turn if you make it back to theirs.
Me sitting here with both Vilis and an OG Necroptence...
Anyone else notice it costs 6 mana for a 6/6 demon
I love the art for this card. The front is basically Ormandahl looking down on Jerren
This card seems really poorly designed. Why would I even want to transform it? Why not just keep my 1/1 human token engine? Why do I still have to pay 4BB even after going through all of that work? Why does the back side of this creature feel like something that could easily be printed on its own as an absurdly boring 4BB non-transforming creature? Why not just run the original Ormendahl card instead of this? The original Ormendahl is way cooler anyways and my EDH playgroup would probably be willing to rule 0 it.
Ahem: TREE OF PERDITION??
I would probably just put Jerren in a Yawgmoth deck
Tree of predation
Jason Vorhees approves.
Theres a card that lets u win on upkeep if you have 3 or 14 life i believe.
Tough card to pull off in basic Commander as any damage from creature equal of exceding 20 kills you. For some reason
@@timlanigironu I don't play as often as most so the first time it was explained it didn't get explained further.
If only you could Sorin Markov yourself 😭😭
triskaidekaphobia says hi
No one is going to talk about Tree of Perdition?
Bruh imagine if someone played triskaidekaphobia.
Tree of perdtion.
0/13 Tap exhancge Players live total with tree of perditions toughness.
i feel like you need to reevaluate your criteria for whats broken every recent vdo seems to be broken lol
Couldn’t you just switch it from day to tonight? And he turns demon?
Couldn't you just cast Moonmist? ...no wait, it couldn't be your Commander then. Damn.
I find this one to be kinda meh as a commander. Maybe in existing decks as 99 though.
It should have been white and black vs just a black card. There are plenty of good human cards in white anyway.
And they made this a mythic? Really? You have to jump through the weirdest hoops to get to 13 life while praying your dude with no protection abilities whatsoever survives all that time, and then you also need to pay SIX fucking mana at one and only one precise moment of the turn?!!?
Poor Ormendahl always gets hidden behind stupid clunky un-transformable cards...
do goblin game
triskaidekaphobia would like to know your location
Good for standard, shit for EDH, damn, not even worthy of a mention in EDH, payoff is a 6/6 body that doesn't even have indestructible. Best case scenario, you get to 13, you swing with this go to 19 and refill your hand IF you have something to sac to it AT BEST... shit it even transforms at the end of turn so you cant swing the same turn it transforms. At worst it's just flip it and it dies to removal and you get to draw some cards, something black can do pretty well with other cards. Free sac outlet is nice but again, black has a shit ton of that as well and you don't have to drop to 13. If you go with this as your commander the only card that comes to mind is Magus of the Mirror for some shenanigans, other than that I don't think this is worthy of a 14 min video.
I love your content...but every time I click on a video there is a solid minutes plus of filler. Every time. I get that you are trying to make people aware of your stuff...but honestly, it's just too much most of the time.
3 ads before the vid..
First?