Panasonic Lumix S9: Tiny Camera with 6K and IBIS (and limitations)
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
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Lok you’re the best at giving hands on detailed reviews, really a great job. I can tell you really care about your video quality.
Why isn't Kai taking that many street photos anymore? That was always a nice bonus in the BokBros videos ;)
Hope they cook up some f2.8 compact primes and an m43 version of the camera (gx9 ii?) so I can revive my 20mm f1.7 pancake.
it needs to be 800 dollars.. way to expensive for the form
So where is your 800 camera with 6 k and open gate? Even a stone age canon rp without ibis costs more. What a clownish comment..
Yay! Really looking forward to seeing Lok's thoughts on this!
Great video Lok! It was such a pleasure meeting you on this trip. Looking forward to the next time we meet 😄
Some say it has weather sealing others say it doesn’t.
The overheating / time limits are a big put off.
I already have overheating problems on the zv-e10 and this Panasonic appears to be much worse - based on reviews.
Honestly, I would have preferred EIS and an actual shutter and shave off some bulk. Also, wanted a flip-up screen like a GX850, not flip-out.
evf? micro hdmi? rec time limit? Pricey?
Overheats. Quickly. Pricey. No mechanical shutter. Pass
No EVF. Same colours and ergonomics as a child's play brick. Small (not really that small) camera that will need feeding with large, full frame lenses. Released with a ridiculous, but small, lens that will fool buyers who don't know what they are buying. Aimed at smart phone users but without any computational features... and I was a Panasonic fanboy. The Fuji fanboys must be wetting themselves
A7c overheats as well its the same kind of camera and the sony is more expensive .i never use a mechanical shutter
@@ComUnSasyou clearly have no clue for which audience this camera is made for. I love it and i will buy it
@@castielvargastv7931 I know very well what kind of people will buy this thing
Bit of an odd camera this one. I'd be more on board with it if it was cheaper, but the lack of weather sealing in particular is a bit frustrating considering it's not _that_ much cheaper than the S5II. I do like the size though. The electronic-shutter only aspect worries me for photos, just because that mode on the S5II isn't particularly great due to the sensor speed (picks up a lot of LED banding in my experience). Lack of viewfinder doesn't bother me, but the cold-shoe is a bit of a bizarre choice and means you can't use the XLR adapter on it, which is a shame. I'll be curious to see how it does in terms of sales though - it looks cute and that probably counts for a lot 😅
Why you say that? Its the samw kind of camera as sony a7c just with better video specs and no one complains about the sony. I dont use mechanical shutter with any of my cameras and a unstable shity viewfinder like the sony has is not better than not having a viewfinder at all. Sony zv1 has no viewfinder, no mechanical s as well and no one complained
I mean, the A7C was released 4 years ago, so it being the point of comparison isn’t great for the S9. It has a mechanical shutter, which alleviates most issues caused by the slower sensors like LED banding, a hot shoe, and reasonable recording time limits. The ZV-1 isn’t really a competitor so I assume you mean the ZV-E1, which although more expensive does then also give you good internal mics and again much better recording limits. If Panasonic had implemented vaguely reasonable cooling measures into the S9 it’d at least be more competitive for video, but it does at least have better stabilisation. The main complaints about the S9 are really that it’s just far too expensive for how much you lose from the S5II. If you’re a content creator then the S5II is worth the extra money, and if you’re after a compact travel camera then there are better options from Fujifilm without the downsides of the S9.
@@robert_may everything you say is relative and means nothing to me. I dont use mechanical shutter with any of my cameras as i am a led user no Problems here. I dont care about record limits, i never reach 15 minutes. Not even on a Professional film set we had longer takes than 15 minutes. I dont care about a 4k crop. Everything you say are pseudo arguments that only count in certain scenarios for certain users. For what i do the lumix is a perfect b or c camera but most of all it is a fun camera. No fuji can give me what i get from s9 as.it has a shity apsc sensor and i dont want that. I want 6k , open gate, perfect ibis, great Image quality, small size and a full frame sensor. How many cameras at this price can do this?zero! No sony, no canon , no fuji can do this for this kind of money. So why you call the camera too expensive.if there is no other camera that can match the specs?
Kinda disappointed with the release of the MF F8 bodycap lens with the S9 only.. should have made the pancake prime lens at least F4 if not F2.8....
Very good comprehensive review. But the camera? Full frame for a fun rangefinder? Means a big lens... I just don't see the point.
It would be great if the extra zoom function would come to the S5ii ! It seems that the S9 and S5ii have the same hardware so a firmware update seems technically possible.
Hey Lok, can you make a short series or video showing how to do vlogs and walk and talk videos?
Video time recording limit! What were they thinking! 🤦
Overheating bro
My camera in 2 or 3 years!
This is the weirdest release I've seen in years. So many limitations for such a price is insane. Also, being full frame you'll be carrying heavy glass, defeating the minor benefit of its small size. This should have been an $800 M4/3. I have no idea what Panasonic is thinking with this one.
Give us a chance. We want a small full frame. I'm done with apsc and mft. I'm not even sure why they are still making those if making small full frames is possible. Just focus all resources in ff to save cost.
Smaller body is the first step, smaller lenses next.
For the price, I could not find a camera with all these features in a small body thats cheaper.
@@PPLRRN The S9 body is only about 250 grams less than the S5II, that has far more features for the same price. Do 250 grams really that important to you that it justifies the loss of important features? If FF glass ever gets smaller, it will also get smaller for other cameras. Besides, if you're really worried about weight and space, get a fixed-lens camera. It'll be cheaper, lighter, smaller and far easier to carry around. Getting a body and multiple lenses is never the option whenever space and ease of carry is the main goal. Really, the S9 is a waste of money.
@misterwhyte for me, I can carry this around more often than its bigger siblings. If I need those features for PRO work, then I can put a handle via a cage for a grip, a field monitor to substitute for the lack of EVF, an external mic with zero latency monitoring for the lack of headphones, and light my subject with LED lights from different angles. Light straight on from a hotshoe doesnt look professional. I'd also do external recording.
It can be a PRO if I want it to, and just be a casual camera if I need to. So, are those dealbreakers for me. Not really. And to give you an idea why I badly want this camera. The A7C2, A7CR, S5ii, and even the ZVE1 all cost above Php145K with a kit lens, while the S9 only costs around Php105K with a 20-60 kit lens. Also, I never buy used items.
I dont like fixed lens and I'm tired of mft and apsc. I had the EM5 and XT30. Both are retro and tiny cameras. Smaller lenses will be released soon, thats why I'm waiting until December.
I see weird banding in the sky in the digital zoom example shots.
Will the limitations put on the camera because of the FF sensor and compact size, I don't know why Panasonic not use the m4/3 sensor? Low light is no longer an argument since they took out the mechanical shutter.
B patient . Gx92 is coming
Having thought about it. While the size and some features are very impressive, I think that Panasonic should implement a similar design with a smaller sensor, shutter, built in or hot shoe evf, great video and photo features. Competitively price it and move in on the compact camera market for real.
I am just hurt the Dark Silver is not in the US!
Let’s wait and see what Canon comes up with very shortly. This is quickly becoming a very popular and crowded market segment.
how bout image stabilization with wide angle? was there wobbling on corner like s5m2?
Why dont I just get a sony then... they have more lens
No EVF and that's not the worst no pop up flash.🤪
No mechanical shutter, means no regular flash.
@@Paul_Rohde That sucks no mechanical shutter. I know they can do flash with a very fast electronic shutter or a global shutter. But those cameras cost a lot of money.
Im a graphic designer who now is shooting a lot of vertical stuff. This camera and the 18-40 would be perfect for what I do. But only because of the stabilisation, the open gate doesn't interest me as I've never been asked to repurpose clips for UA-cam.
The only thing that worries me is how I would switch from photo to video. I have 3 settings in both on my Sony and I can't see how Id do that on the S9.
It's just like the G100 (at least it has IBIS), it would have been better just marketed as a photo centric camera instead of an "influencer/creator" camera. I got a G100 for like 230 bucks, barely used body only as more of a test than anything to see if I'd be ok without IBIS... I was ok, but I definitely missed it since I use primarily manual focus lenses on my smaller MFT bodies like the TTArt 25mm f2 and others. Even my old E-P5 was easier to magnify and focus with, because the IBIS kept the zoom in from shaking. Other than that, I've been bringing a Sigma fp L as my side body for work for over a year now and have had zero issues with e-shutter only (I don't shoot much in motion, and in rural villages artificial lighting isn't that big of a deal, if it is, I can sync the shutter speed with the frequency of the light/power source, and it generally goes away). Then again, if I can get away with it, I've prefered to shoot e-shutter on all cameras for years now. I have the EVF for the fp L, but generally I don't have it attached because the point is it's a small side body with the compact Sigma lenses (half or more APS-C that I have for my Leica CL, even the rest are generally shot in APS-C mode that still gets me around 25-26 mp so it's great).
I'll probably pick up an S9 when I can find a used one for a steal. I shoot zero video and the rest of the "issues" aren't really a factor for me because I already shoot with fp and fp L's for my FF bodies (and this is basically a better fp for my use case aside from a worse firmware... Sigma firmware is hard to beat in terms of UI, IMO). My main body is an OM-5 at this point after my E-M5.III I got at release met its death after flying into a river. The OM-5 + Oly 75mm f1.8 is perfect for what I need reach and size wise. I'm willing to give the S9 a shot as a side body with a 45mm f2.8 or something on it if I can find it cheap enough. Otherwise, I'll just stick with the fp L or my Pen F + 15mm f1.7 Panaleica or 20mm f1.4 OM-Sys lenses as my side body for wider shots.
Love your videos Lok, 1:58 is when you do voiceover on the toilet and are squeezing one out.
Is Lumix your preferred camera overall and do you shoot in VLOG and edit colors later in editor?
S9 is fantastic they give you all those settings for more of a base camera. Amazing Lumix!
It needs a big battery grip.
It just needs an evf and hot shoe, then it's perfect
No, it also needs a damn headphone jack
Who actually uses the headphone jack? For what?
@@aleksivahapassi Monitoring audio.
@@aleksivahapassi …is this a serious question?
I use the headphone jack on my S5 half the time I shoot something. I need to know if the wireless audio I’m recording on a person 20 feet away is working well enough.
Okay
🔥Great video!
Camera not great, cat lovely 😻
man, a hot shoe and an evf... I'd be convinced to leave Fujifilm.
does it have external RAW or even an HDMI slot for a Ninja 5? :) (before having watched the video ;) )
Yes it does, in high K for Ninja 5.
dude !
Love the camera ❤
Wow, 15 minute video recording max... it's worthless lol
Disapointing camera, but nice enough for tiktokers
No mechanical shutter, no hot shoe, no EVF, no buy. This could've been a A7C killer.
It is. I never use mechanical shutter and i never use flash. I use leds . To me this is a much better camera than a7 c and its cheaper as well
Not a Pano guy... for the views and Algo
No mech shutter, no hot shoe, no audio output, no evf, heating issue....
Too many limitation
Just use your phone guys
A better camera is a canon R7!
Where is the "White" options for the ladies?????? I guess Panasonic could care less about 52% of humans on this planet...
half-baked product, without the luts it's just meh. And the luts could be implemented by any brand at any given time on a firmware update. Hard pass! all pany boy needed was a replica of the leica q2 with these video features and they would have hit a homerun!
Who at Panasonic thought this was a good idea? Can't do video because there's no way to monitor sound. Can't do stills because there's no EVF, no mechanical shutter, and no way to use a flash. And for TikTokers (or other content creators)? Whose work is going to be seen on a phone screen? Full-frame? Why?
Can you please stop complaining, the camera is clearly NOT for you. 🤦🏽♂️
@@4sightfilmsLLC Exactly, bunch of whiners because the camera doesn’t cater to everyone’s specific needs. Pen MFT cameras sold just fine without an evf.
I dont need all those things ao what? This is a sony a7c style camera with better video specs and i love it
People have been taking pictures and videos with cellphones for how long now? And they don’t have real flashes or any way to monitor audio.
wow, not a great camera for travel with a mf only lens
No evf...yawn.
No EVF, No headphone Jack, no hot Shoe, USB and HDMi on the right side and No mechanical shutter
No hot shoe?
Has a cold shoe
The goal is to make it small
I normally dont have any problem with understanding what people say but this guy is so difficult to listen to and the music is making it MUCH harder.
Manufacturers go for 33 MP , if not 40 MP, nowadays .... not 24 MP ... it has almost no new features
non sense expensive camera
I think you focused on minor things and forgot it is a full frame powerhouse I never come to this channel for reviews but to see a strange personality.
Awful camera. And too many UA-cam presenters falling over themselves to try and say it is good when it isn't! Mainly the ones who went on a free flight and jolly to Panasonic.
Jealous because you don’t travel for work? None of the videos I’ve seen are saying this is the holy grail. Lok is very clear about what they took out, the limitations and the shortcomings but also some surprising strengths (ibis, open gate, video af on the up and up) … it’s a balanced take
Audio is trash 🗑️ I paid the 200 and didn’t use not one track
english subtitles please
You can turn them on in settings
Getting to speak English English. Wonder what HK people think of such English. May be they still do not listen to English much.