Maybe it is bugged>.< Though just to be sure, you followed the choices made in following guide: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937653508
Did you lock yourself into her route (By choosing her route from start screen) or did you start a new game? Edit:: From someone who replied to version differences... Also sprach Zarathustra contains only Kasumi and Marie's routes. Furthermore, the VN's writer got writer's block during development, so a bunch of hacks were hired to finish it for him. The result is supposedly a total mess. Also sprach Zarathustra ~Die Wiederkunft~ is a rewritten version of the original. Acta est Fabula adds Kei and Rea's routes. "Amantes amentes adds some new content to Rea's route, including a second ending." It also has five side stories. However, since it was originally made for the PSP, all H-scenes were removed... So if you have the 18+ version?
I started a new game then saved it at the final choice but after I couldn't get the second ending. I then pressed the lock in route and I have the steam version
In case this isn't clear... When Marie became God in Rea's route... Ren was actually reincarnated twice. 1st time as Lotus, who got with Rusalka... cuz y'know. 2md as Ren proper. Basically Lotus is both Ren's grandfather and past life....weird, but considering that's sorta how it was last time, meh. Lotus and Ren are both basically the same word too, so there's that.
The three-way battle between Ren, Reinhard, and Mercurius is awesome. Before their fight, their prefight dialogue is nice, especially coupled with the opening of Amantes Amentes playing. Don't you agree?
@@bunnytuttle5008 Yeah, true. Didn't one of his attacks completely vaporize the previous Hadou God of the world he came from? This was the same attack that destroyed the Throne.
It took me almost 2 years to finish this novel due to lack of enthusiasm, but in the end I did (although it is one of my favorites). I personally didn't like the Kasumi / Rea routes (Except for the ending of the Rea route, the reasons will be explained below). I think Marie's route would have been better as a canon, but it wasn't. (Things like adding what was seen on Rea's route within Marie's route, and that Rea's route would have been different). I liked Sakurai's route, it is the only one where i noticed some chemistry between Ren and the heroine. Kei is a girl who does not give up on anything, that battle against Samiel in Marie's Route, I will not forget it, it was very epic. The story behind Tubal Cain and Beatrice was very good too. Personally i prefer Kei's route in story, Marie's route in action, other story: Verfaulen Segen and the Acta est Fabula Version of the Game (I played both Amantes and Acta) And finally, liked Rea's Ending because the Ship Kei x Kai is possible. Yes, you read that correctly, i like the Sakurai x Sakurai ship. Sorry for the bad English, i'm not native.Sorry for the bad English, i'm not native. Thanks for uploading it, Good Videos.
Glad you enjoyed it, and nothing to apologize for. I enjoyed all routes, but some were flushed out more than others though. Some have it better than others. That being said, it is not Short VN, it does takes time to read if you are busy. Which might turn people off, if there is a lot of similarities. It's nice that they got their own relationship even without you, whether it's a siblings or childhood friends or just "being villains having a cause but not liking each other". Don't forget to read interview with Bay if you haven't yet.
@@bunnytuttle5008 I didn't quite understand "Marie's route as canon".... Because the truth is that Marie's route is the canonical one. It is the one that leads to the events of Kajiri Kamui Kagura. From Kajiri Kamui Kagura we would have jumped to the cancelled DI: Pantheon. Rea's route is just a "What if" they had won against Hajun. no more, no less.
@@Nadie20202 Multiple timeline is fine, it's better if something are left as they are but the truth is resources are finite. So they have to decide which one they will put more effort on etc. For example, in dmc5 you can beat....from the beginning and you will get the what if. Which is fun on it's on as well.
I will say this is by far my favorite fight and the ending was magnificent also those who wonder Ren, Reinhard and Mercurius were so dead even it ended in mutual destruction (rein being mercurius's cancer cell made it a no brainer) and ren and reinhard lost their god powers once the fight ended but remained human while merc who was born a god will die forever (At least this isn't like KKK i blame naraka)
Alive without any god powers just like ren (who returned as lotus reinhart, Karl kraft still exists but not as merc just as a person who exists in history only true merc died because he was a born god while ren and rein lived because they have their human selves)
@@mikotristijono6775 So, after Mercurius's death, both Reinhard and Ren returned to their human selves or something? Didn't Marie reset the world though after this?
@@rickynguyen5108 Yes they returned to their human selves just in a world where Merc didn't messed with history. Marie just made a new world just with the concept of reincarnation instead of eternal reccurance.
Sooooooo..... I kinda skip to the ending of 1 and 2 video and watch what happens because I got lazy watching the whole thing cause I kinda guess what happen in between the video but is Ren is Lotous or Ren is just a recarnation of him and he's alive will Ren in the future with Shiruo, Sakurai, Kasumi and the rest of the gang because he never shows up in the 1 video and 2 video Ren, did he live a different lives growing up before meeting his friend again because he didn't know them and thanks for the video😇
Remember to watch Nihil Difficile Amenti if you haven't yet. There was a guy called Lotus that was friend with Machina. I think at some point it is hinted that Lotus is Ren *perhaps share his memories at least* (As he remembers Machina name), same as when Reinhard visits *Lotus*.
Good try, but you are completely off. Lotus is Ren's great grandfather and Rusalka is Ren's great grandma. Hence what you saw there is that Machina mistaking Ren for Lotus due to their souls being similiar.
Wait. How come ?This is my hypothesis. At first Lotus and Michael died on the battlefield.And Mercurius collected their souls,brought them to the castle to fight there and the winner was transformed to Machina. Mercurius saw the special of Lotus soul (the question he asked Machina whether he wanted to die or moved forward.The former is Machina and latter is Lotus) and created Ren based on Lotus's soul.When Ren reached his final form he said he rememberd "HIS" deepest craving. Furthermore,Lotus and Russalka never had any child so how the hell Lotus is Ren's great grandfather ? For me the answer for this route is Ren is Lotus's reincarnation.The law of Marie allows people to reincarnate in order to reach happiness that they could not do in the past.
Actually Lotus when he died merc infused his blood and became ren and his link with machina is because of his previous life however once marie managed to return things to normal there are changes like Anna not being a witch in Nihil Difficile Amenti its reveals lotus and anna had a child but before lotus died in 1944 battle along with his brothers in arm Ren is the grandchild of the two (not great grandchild from what i was told) but u could say its a reincarnation due to the noted similarities. So ren is lotus only via merc's intervention marie's world has the two as completely different people but as reincarnations
@@bunnytuttle5008 I suppose I'm just not sure how they lead into each other. The other routes follow their order because of Mercurius resetting, but that's impossible here, so...
I have quick question regarding on dies irae. How did you ever get rea second ending. Because for some reason I was never giving this certain question that leads to rea seconding ending. Because after I choose to rescue rea himuro, I was giving no question at all. So idk if I miss something. Because I even went back replay and do new game for rea route and for some reason was giving me the same thing. Which was I was not getting no question after I choose to rescue rea himuro.
I was following a guide (which you can find on steam), but others were having same issue as you. Are you locked into specific route and have you tried starting fresh route?
@@bunnytuttle5008 yeah I even replay the kausumi & Kei & Marie and I made sure I followed the walkthrought guide as it said, and made sure I pick the right choices which I check and just skip as usual. Then afterwards did a new game for rea route to see if the option would be available for me. But I keep getting the same problem.
@@LilErick21 I see>.< Well guess you can try to reinstall the game and see when you have time, though I am not sure if it will help or not. Sorry I cannot be more useful than that, but good luck mate. Share it once you find a solution, so it can help others too. Edit: From a reply earlier of a someone called "Dennis Chen" "I figured it out you have to play all the routes then replay rea's route for the second ending"
@@bunnytuttle5008 I also went back to play other routes again. Just followed the walkthroug guide and skip as usual the did new game for rea route and still was having the same problem.
Not sure if they are equal or not, perhaps someone can explains it better. Though, Karl just seems to want to experience the unknown (Not sure if side/extra stories will add more to his).
Basically, they fought till they all exhausted themselves. And during this time, Marie had probably ascended to the Throne and became the de facto God, and created a world where she was able to embrace the 'longing/craving' of all. This meant that she created a world where everybody would fulfill their deepest desires/wishes. For Reinhard, I think eventually he came to a resolution to accept the way things were. For Mercurius he probably got his wish to fade out of existence. For Ren, A reunion with Rea. and the rest is what we see.
@@coffeeblackisbestdrink I see. With Reinhard, he basically accepts his death as a human when the world is reset by Marie into her world? Can you tell me what happened with the other characters?
@@coffeeblackisbestdrink I see, Reinhard accepts his death and humanity when Marie recreates the world under her Law. He dies as he does in history, but he dies with acceptance of his fate and embracing his humnaity. I wonder, will most of the LDO members reincarnate in the future, like they did back in Marie's ending? Marie's Law allows reincarnation, right? Perhaps Wilhelm and Wolfgang will have a better life, since at the end of Rea's route, the two still become serial killers (due to their childhood) even in Marie's world.
@@rickynguyen5108 Sorta dead. He is Mercurius Apoptosis and only exists cause of him. They are linked, just in a slightly different way from Ren to Mercurius. It is made clear in the narrative that each time Reinhard landed a strike at Mercurius, he was also wearing away at his own existence, mirroring the damage he was inflicting. By the end, he basically annihilated himself by killing Merc. I think this is why it is important that you read both endings as they give a more complete picture of events that transpire in this battle. The first ending gives Reinhard's and Mercurius perspective post battle, while the other gives Ren's and Marie's version.
@@matteste I see, so with Mercurius dead, both Ren and Reinhard die along with him (the two are linked to him, so when Mercurius was killed by Reinhard, the latter dies along with him; Ren also dies along with the two as well). The two endings give us different perspectives from different characters? The first ending being Reinhard and Mercurius's perspectives postbattle while the second ending being Ren and Marie's perspectives postbattle. These were before Marie created the world, right, after she ascended to the Throne? Can you tell me in your words what happened in the two endings?
![Sifu - Master Difficulty [ No Damage, Age 70, True Ending, No Shortcuts, Single Segment]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yk-MUhN6kUw/mqdefault.jpg)
I press both but it still lead me to the first ending anybody knows what happeing
Maybe it is bugged>.<
Though just to be sure, you followed the choices made in following guide:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937653508
Yes I followed that order
Do I have to play the other routes first before getting the second ending cause I stated playing her route first.
Did you lock yourself into her route (By choosing her route from start screen) or did you start a new game?
Edit::
From someone who replied to version differences...
Also sprach Zarathustra contains only Kasumi and Marie's routes. Furthermore, the VN's writer got writer's block during development, so a bunch of hacks were hired to finish it for him. The result is supposedly a total mess.
Also sprach Zarathustra ~Die Wiederkunft~ is a rewritten version of the original.
Acta est Fabula adds Kei and Rea's routes.
"Amantes amentes adds some new content to Rea's route, including a second ending." It also has five side stories. However, since it was originally made for the PSP, all H-scenes were removed...
So if you have the 18+ version?
I started a new game then saved it at the final choice but after I couldn't get the second ending. I then pressed the lock in route and I have the steam version
This is the best route. This should've also be called a co-op Anna route.
Ren Vs Reinhard Vs Mercurius. I Love this Fight
Just finished the VN today and man... This fight was on some other level. One of the hypest things I've ever read
Glad you enjoy it, don't forget to watch/read interview with KB as well
@@bunnytuttle5008 will do, thank you ❤️
THE DOCTOR THE DOCTOR IS REEEAALLL
In case this isn't clear...
When Marie became God in Rea's route...
Ren was actually reincarnated twice.
1st time as Lotus, who got with Rusalka... cuz y'know.
2md as Ren proper.
Basically Lotus is both Ren's grandfather and past life....weird, but considering that's sorta how it was last time, meh. Lotus and Ren are both basically the same word too, so there's that.
Wow interesting
Amazing 1-A fight
Good read as well.
Thank you for uploading this, I really appreciate you making a walkthrough of all the routes.
Hope you enjoy it^.^
So, a anarchist (Reinhart), a hedonist (Karl), a superman (Ren) and The Holy Mother (Marie) enter a bar!
SORRY I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO ADD!
1:47:00 This is when the real action starts
I really enjoy it when nigh omnipotent beings fight, it's very entertaining
Don't forget about interview with bay if you haven't read that yet.
The three-way battle between Ren, Reinhard, and Mercurius is awesome. Before their fight, their prefight dialogue is nice, especially coupled with the opening of Amantes Amentes playing. Don't you agree?
Agreed, but wish they would explained Mercurius powers little bit more.
@@bunnytuttle5008
Yeah, true. Didn't one of his attacks completely vaporize the previous Hadou God of the world he came from? This was the same attack that destroyed the Throne.
@@rickynguyen5108 though both Ren and Reinhard is made and tailored to be as strong as him.
It took me almost 2 years to finish this novel due to lack of enthusiasm, but in the end I did (although it is one of my favorites).
I personally didn't like the Kasumi / Rea routes (Except for the ending of the Rea route, the reasons will be explained below).
I think Marie's route would have been better as a canon, but it wasn't. (Things like adding what was seen on Rea's route within Marie's route, and that Rea's route would have been different).
I liked Sakurai's route, it is the only one where i noticed some chemistry between Ren and the heroine.
Kei is a girl who does not give up on anything, that battle against Samiel in Marie's Route, I will not forget it, it was very epic.
The story behind Tubal Cain and Beatrice was very good too.
Personally i prefer Kei's route in story, Marie's route in action, other story: Verfaulen Segen and the Acta est Fabula Version of the Game (I played both Amantes and Acta)
And finally, liked Rea's Ending because the Ship Kei x Kai is possible.
Yes, you read that correctly, i like the Sakurai x Sakurai ship.
Sorry for the bad English, i'm not native.Sorry for the bad English, i'm not native.
Thanks for uploading it, Good Videos.
Glad you enjoyed it, and nothing to apologize for.
I enjoyed all routes, but some were flushed out more than others though. Some have it better than others.
That being said, it is not Short VN, it does takes time to read if you are busy. Which might turn people off, if there is a lot of similarities.
It's nice that they got their own relationship even without you, whether it's a siblings or childhood friends or just "being villains having a cause but not liking each other".
Don't forget to read interview with Bay if you haven't yet.
@@bunnytuttle5008 Maybe in the future I will read it, and Kajiri kamui kagura.
@@zerogravity6911 hope you enjoy it when you do^.^
@@bunnytuttle5008 I didn't quite understand "Marie's route as canon".... Because the truth is that Marie's route is the canonical one. It is the one that leads to the events of Kajiri Kamui Kagura. From Kajiri Kamui Kagura we would have jumped to the cancelled DI: Pantheon.
Rea's route is just a "What if" they had won against Hajun. no more, no less.
@@Nadie20202 Multiple timeline is fine, it's better if something are left as they are but the truth is resources are finite. So they have to decide which one they will put more effort on etc.
For example, in dmc5 you can beat....from the beginning and you will get the what if. Which is fun on it's on as well.
This VN was something else
Fun and long read.
when i played this route, it was only mercurious vs reinhard. why wasnt ren joining the fight like in this vid?
Choose Seek the truth and you will have it.
This was should be the final of the anime
Didn't watch the anime myself yet.
I will say this is by far my favorite fight and the ending was magnificent also those who wonder Ren, Reinhard and Mercurius were so dead even it ended in mutual destruction (rein being mercurius's cancer cell made it a no brainer) and ren and reinhard lost their god powers once the fight ended but remained human while merc who was born a god will die forever (At least this isn't like KKK i blame naraka)
Miko Tristijono what happen to reinhard tho? Alive without his god powers or dead forever?
Alive without any god powers just like ren (who returned as lotus reinhart, Karl kraft still exists but not as merc just as a person who exists in history only true merc died because he was a born god while ren and rein lived because they have their human selves)
maybe this is good for both ren and Reinhard, they live and die as men, he shall desire no more
@@mikotristijono6775
So, after Mercurius's death, both Reinhard and Ren returned to their human selves or something? Didn't Marie reset the world though after this?
@@rickynguyen5108 Yes they returned to their human selves just in a world where Merc didn't messed with history. Marie just made a new world just with the concept of reincarnation instead of eternal reccurance.
Sooooooo..... I kinda skip to the ending of 1 and 2 video and watch what happens because I got lazy watching the whole thing cause I kinda guess what happen in between the video but is Ren is Lotous or Ren is just a recarnation of him and he's alive will Ren in the future with Shiruo, Sakurai, Kasumi and the rest of the gang because he never shows up in the 1 video and 2 video Ren, did he live a different lives growing up before meeting his friend again because he didn't know them and thanks for the video😇
Remember to watch Nihil Difficile Amenti if you haven't yet. There was a guy called Lotus that was friend with Machina. I think at some point it is hinted that Lotus is Ren *perhaps share his memories at least* (As he remembers Machina name), same as when Reinhard visits *Lotus*.
Good try, but you are completely off. Lotus is Ren's great grandfather and Rusalka is Ren's great grandma. Hence what you saw there is that Machina mistaking Ren for Lotus due to their souls being similiar.
Very likely what you said is true, great observation.
Wait. How come ?This is my hypothesis. At first Lotus and Michael died on the battlefield.And Mercurius collected their souls,brought them to the castle to fight there and the winner was transformed to Machina. Mercurius saw the special of Lotus soul (the question he asked Machina whether he wanted to die or moved forward.The former is Machina and latter is Lotus) and created Ren based on Lotus's soul.When Ren reached his final form he said he rememberd "HIS" deepest craving.
Furthermore,Lotus and Russalka never had any child so how the hell Lotus is Ren's great grandfather ?
For me the answer for this route is Ren is Lotus's reincarnation.The law of Marie allows people to reincarnate in order to reach happiness that they could not do in the past.
Actually Lotus when he died merc infused his blood and became ren and his link with machina is because of his previous life however once marie managed to return things to normal there are changes like Anna not being a witch in Nihil Difficile Amenti its reveals lotus and anna had a child but before lotus died in 1944 battle along with his brothers in arm Ren is the grandchild of the two (not great grandchild from what i was told) but u could say its a reincarnation due to the noted similarities. So ren is lotus only via merc's intervention marie's world has the two as completely different people but as reincarnations
I'm still not totally clear on the relationship between this ending and the other one...
You meaning accepting or not or which one?
@@bunnytuttle5008 I suppose I'm just not sure how they lead into each other. The other routes follow their order because of Mercurius resetting, but that's impossible here, so...
@@FishfaceTheDestroyer yup, going into the unknown territory.
3:09:34: In this route rusalka was extend his live? Or ¿She was lived as a normal girl? With that form im confuse
I don't remember at the moment, but there are some alternative time lines to which she lived normally.
I have quick question regarding on dies irae.
How did you ever get rea second ending. Because for some reason I was never giving this certain question that leads to rea seconding ending.
Because after I choose to rescue rea himuro, I was giving no question at all. So idk if I miss something. Because I even went back replay and do new game for rea route and for some reason was giving me the same thing. Which was I was not getting no question after I choose to rescue rea himuro.
I was following a guide (which you can find on steam), but others were having same issue as you. Are you locked into specific route and have you tried starting fresh route?
@@bunnytuttle5008 yeah I even replay the kausumi & Kei & Marie and I made sure I followed the walkthrought guide as it said, and made sure I pick the right choices which I check and just skip as usual. Then afterwards did a new game for rea route to see if the option would be available for me. But I keep getting the same problem.
@@LilErick21 I see>.< Well guess you can try to reinstall the game and see when you have time, though I am not sure if it will help or not. Sorry I cannot be more useful than that, but good luck mate. Share it once you find a solution, so it can help others too.
Edit: From a reply earlier of a someone called "Dennis Chen" "I figured it out you have to play all the routes then replay rea's route for the second ending"
@@bunnytuttle5008 lol yeah I did. That's first thing I did. I didn't went straight to rea route tho. I follow the order kasumi>kei>marie>rea
@@bunnytuttle5008 I also went back to play other routes again. Just followed the walkthroug guide and skip as usual the did new game for rea route and still was having the same problem.
so they were more or less equal to each other and a
Marie created a new world for them . am I correct
Not sure if they are equal or not, perhaps someone can explains it better. Though, Karl just seems to want to experience the unknown (Not sure if side/extra stories will add more to his).
Basically, they fought till they all exhausted themselves. And during this time, Marie had probably ascended to the Throne and became the de facto God, and created a world where she was able to embrace the 'longing/craving' of all. This meant that she created a world where everybody would fulfill their deepest desires/wishes.
For Reinhard, I think eventually he came to a resolution to accept the way things were.
For Mercurius he probably got his wish to fade out of existence.
For Ren, A reunion with Rea.
and the rest is what we see.
@@coffeeblackisbestdrink
I see. With Reinhard, he basically accepts his death as a human when the world is reset by Marie into her world?
Can you tell me what happened with the other characters?
@@rickynguyen5108 yep, he accepts that and his humanity when the world is reset.
@@coffeeblackisbestdrink
I see, Reinhard accepts his death and humanity when Marie recreates the world under her Law. He dies as he does in history, but he dies with acceptance of his fate and embracing his humnaity.
I wonder, will most of the LDO members reincarnate in the future, like they did back in Marie's ending? Marie's Law allows reincarnation, right? Perhaps Wilhelm and Wolfgang will have a better life, since at the end of Rea's route, the two still become serial killers (due to their childhood) even in Marie's world.
where does the change start from ending 1?
^.~ Guess you figured it out already^.^;
Why did ren disappear at the end of the fight
Samuka Jabateh it was said they all were near the end of their limits and had enough energy for one last attack
It's cause Ren is born from Mercurius and is linked to him. With Mercurius gone, so does Ren disappear as well.
@@matteste
I see. What about Reinhard, what happened to him?
@@rickynguyen5108 Sorta dead. He is Mercurius Apoptosis and only exists cause of him. They are linked, just in a slightly different way from Ren to Mercurius. It is made clear in the narrative that each time Reinhard landed a strike at Mercurius, he was also wearing away at his own existence, mirroring the damage he was inflicting. By the end, he basically annihilated himself by killing Merc.
I think this is why it is important that you read both endings as they give a more complete picture of events that transpire in this battle. The first ending gives Reinhard's and Mercurius perspective post battle, while the other gives Ren's and Marie's version.
@@matteste
I see, so with Mercurius dead, both Ren and Reinhard die along with him (the two are linked to him, so when Mercurius was killed by Reinhard, the latter dies along with him; Ren also dies along with the two as well).
The two endings give us different perspectives from different characters? The first ending being Reinhard and Mercurius's perspectives postbattle while the second ending being Ren and Marie's perspectives postbattle. These were before Marie created the world, right, after she ascended to the Throne?
Can you tell me in your words what happened in the two endings?
Didnt rea and ren get married in this route
Did they^.~
Bunny Tuttle thats what I read on some forums
You haven't seen the side stories yet? "Nihil Difficile Amenti" to be more precise.
Bunny Tuttle ty