BEST Reels For the MONEY? *NEW* Shimano Saragosa and Daiwa BG MQ Unboxing

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    The new Shimano Saragosa SWA and Daiwa BG MQ might be two of the best saltwater spinning reels for what they offer and how much money they cost. Both could be the best saltwater spinning reel for the money in 2021. In today's video I unbox and give my initial impressions on the new 2020 Shimano Saragosa SW-A 10000PG and the 2020 Daiwa BG MQ 8000-H. Both of these saltwater spinning reels compete in the $250-$300 class and can do just about anything a serious fisherman may need.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 148

  • @Ricko62
    @Ricko62 3 роки тому +9

    Alan Hawks meticulous and unbiased reel review of the older Saragosa was "best medium priced saltwater reel" on the market. He has rated the newer Saragosa SWA version as an even better reel which he stated he didn't believe was possible. He also picked up on the Daiwa BG MQ's rear gear cover rubber seal and handle rubber seal as potential problems re salt intrusion.

    • @maasai-
      @maasai- 3 роки тому +4

      AH is biased for sure , if u closely followed his reviews, now adays u can sell almost anything

    • @Ricko62
      @Ricko62 3 роки тому +1

      @@maasai- I do, and stil the most meticulous & profesional reel inspections I have found. As for the bias, well.... if you say so 😒

    • @seaturtledad6596
      @seaturtledad6596 Рік тому +1

      @@maasai- dude , stop being so negative.

  • @skylaryoung3750
    @skylaryoung3750 3 роки тому +6

    I absolutely BEAT on my Saragosa’s they get splashed and banged around every outing on the kayak and trip after trip they produce with zero issues. I fresh rinse and dry them of course but outside of that I’ve never had an issue with them they are work horses

  • @dylansavarese956
    @dylansavarese956 3 роки тому +4

    the bushings are good for hard saltwater use like you know the bearings go the bushings hold up I've taken spool bearing out and thrown in teflon bearings and get the same performance in most open face conventional

  • @Cammo-vp1gl
    @Cammo-vp1gl 2 роки тому +11

    Was tossing up between gosa and MQ in 6000. Just bought two 21 Saltist MQ reels. Itching to use them. Not a lot between them, Daiwa is lighter, stronger drag and newer design. Both are very good and worthy of purchasing in my opinion.

    • @owencorey9720
      @owencorey9720 2 роки тому

      6000 MQ, I’m loving it! It’s a solid reel and I’m hoping for many years of good use.

    • @UzunKamis
      @UzunKamis 6 місяців тому

      Take care of the line roller *bushing*

  • @AMLuc1320
    @AMLuc1320 4 місяці тому +1

    Just had a read of Alan Hawks Daiwa BG MQ review that dropped about a month ago.
    He found a few issues and isn’t recommending the BG MQ in the medium to large sizes. Looks like Shimano will sell even more Saragosas now!

  • @spinfishingtr
    @spinfishingtr 2 роки тому +3

    After a lot of problems with stella fj 4000 I decided to go on with daiwa bg mq 4000.

  • @SMC4117
    @SMC4117 5 місяців тому +1

    I’d say that the best bang for your buck would be a Shimano Sedona… I just retired mine after 20+ years of fresh and saltwater use. Not bad for $64!!!🎣

  • @williambonilla7224
    @williambonilla7224 3 роки тому +13

    I have the bg mq 10k and the drag cap did break on me but I hooked onto like 5 over 7 foot sharks and actually landed a 7 foot bullshark before it broke and it’s more my fault for using it incorrectly than daiwa but it handles well imo

  • @zhuchai393
    @zhuchai393 5 місяців тому

    I bought the same reel too....but it Bg Mq 8000 ARK-H and i love it❤ reel that have ark means aluminium round knob handle...love it the reel can use all purpose like jigging,popping, and can bottom fishing,live bait for mackerel😊 i think BG for daiwa reel is means Big Game reel🎉

  • @ourluckfishing2801
    @ourluckfishing2801 3 роки тому +4

    I got a couple MQ’s recently and so far no complaints, hopefully it’ll stay that way

    • @ourluckfishing2801
      @ourluckfishing2801 Рік тому

      @@TJXHT nah, I recently checked them after this last trip down to FL and I was playing around in the reels to see if anything needs work and it’s all good

    • @hunterhmb5083
      @hunterhmb5083 11 місяців тому

      @@ourluckfishing2801 Hows do you find the reel, thinking of buying one

    • @eternalabyzz9386
      @eternalabyzz9386 7 місяців тому +1

      how are they after 2 years??

    • @ourluckfishing2801
      @ourluckfishing2801 7 місяців тому

      @@eternalabyzz9386 I sold them a few months back before Christmas but before selling them I had no issues everything performed like new

    • @OBCBTTB
      @OBCBTTB 6 місяців тому +1

      Caught a 60kg Yellowfin Tuna on the BG MQ 8000 ARK two weeks ago.
      The drag was fine, and the reel handled the fish with ease.

  • @jackchn23
    @jackchn23 3 роки тому +36

    My money is on the Gosa. It will keep going after the BG eats it. I also think Shimano has better customer service and warranty.

  • @0riginall337
    @0riginall337 3 роки тому +5

    Not really an equal lineup. Gosa vs the new saltist would be a good comparison

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  3 роки тому +2

      Agreed but didn’t necessarily need the exact same reel for the purposes of this video! Couldn’t get my hand on Saltist MQ either. Maybe I will in the future

  • @gabrielduarte3904
    @gabrielduarte3904 3 роки тому +6

    bushings in line rollers sometimes are better than ballbearings, for once, last generation's saragosas' line roller ballbearings were its weak side, almost everyone i know who has a last gen saragosa has had to replace these line roller bearings, yet i have to see anyone owning the previous BG changing the bushings in their line rollers due to malfunction.. also.. if you are dealing with bushings why would you need to seal the roller??

  • @jimfournier9065
    @jimfournier9065 7 місяців тому

    I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative, everybody wants the biggest bang for their buck! Thank you.

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  7 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @theseabasshunter
    @theseabasshunter 3 роки тому +5

    great review. I always thought that BG stands for Black and Gold, hence the color, or vice versa, the color, hence the name. Good fishing! Cheers!

    • @RevolutionRoad
      @RevolutionRoad 3 роки тому +2

      That's for the black and gold version. The NEW BG is "Big Game"

    • @calallen8786
      @calallen8786 2 роки тому

      @@RevolutionRoad just like the conventional. Probably the best conventional i owned a diawa big game

    • @monkeyslap
      @monkeyslap Рік тому

      @@RevolutionRoad Or Butt Grease.

  • @AnglingAddictssrilanka
    @AnglingAddictssrilanka 3 роки тому +5

    Definitely will choose Saragosa over MQ. Shimano>Daiwa any day because any Daiwa i would want to buy would be mag sealed, hence i cannot service myself...we do not have Daiwa dealer on our country...so that's poop.

  • @williambenner5550
    @williambenner5550 3 роки тому +2

    Killer video! Even though I am not in the market for reels this size right now, but I was highly curious about these two reels. I am looking for something around 4000 size for around 100 dollars.

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  3 роки тому +3

      You can’t beat the Daiwa BG (black gold) for that price point. Just ensure you are buying version marketed to the USA. The version made for the Japanese market is objectively inferior

    • @kc7270
      @kc7270 3 роки тому +1

      @@RyanMorie how do we know were getting the US version?

  • @diegolopez6084
    @diegolopez6084 2 місяці тому

    Can you do the review for the bg mq im interested in it and I would love to know how your experience been with it

  • @MetalRush666
    @MetalRush666 3 роки тому +4

    To me the Saragosa is goated at that price point esp as an offshore reel. You just can't beat it.

    • @MetalRush666
      @MetalRush666 Рік тому

      @@TJXHT can't go wrong with A BG

    • @MetalRush666
      @MetalRush666 Рік тому

      @@TJXHT Penn battle 3 I think has one and in the same price range. Idk what size your looking for but I think they run up to a 6k size.

  • @danielebedulli795
    @danielebedulli795 3 роки тому +2

    I think your analysis isn't correct. The "philosophy" of bg mq was to made a body more resistent to torsion. This permit the shaft to go up and down with less resistence than in a normal reel. That is to retrieve a fish with less effort. If you dont taste/proof thys the comparison lost significance. For example try to up the same weight ( may be 1 kg) with the 2 reel and the same rod and see if there are differencs. Thank

  • @tracereed7457
    @tracereed7457 3 роки тому +6

    I’m excited to see the new saltist MQ

    • @shammzh122
      @shammzh122 3 роки тому +1

      Yeahhh...saltist MQ 💪🔛

  • @tailslapexplore6887
    @tailslapexplore6887 3 роки тому +1

    I thought it was unbias review but you mention about 3rd parties service dude Daiwa say you'll have to sent it back to Daiwa for service not 3rd parties
    especially with the magseal.

  • @DaveMars0
    @DaveMars0 3 роки тому +2

    I need a shore jigging reel for my Majorcraft Solpara 1002h 60-100g. I would choose between Daiwa BG Mq, Shimano Saragosa, Penn Slammer 3 or 4 and Daiwa Saltist Ltd. What reel and size would you suggest me?

  • @a.g.williams5631
    @a.g.williams5631 2 роки тому

    Penn reel $36.00 Walmart A little 3000. Freezer overflowing with fish. Reds. Black drum, speckled trout, you name it.

  • @davesiu680
    @davesiu680 2 роки тому +1

    I dont think "BG MQ" is in the league as Saragosa. You would have to compare the Saragosa with the new "Salist MQ". However, I do agree with you about the mag seal. You cant really service on your own for the most part, which could be the deal breaker for many anglers.

  • @Tyler-kw9ce
    @Tyler-kw9ce 3 роки тому +9

    Wouldn't a Saltist MQ be closer match to a Saragosa.

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  3 роки тому +1

      Probably! But I could’nt get my hands on one. Maybe I’ll get one in the future

  • @peteluce5342
    @peteluce5342 3 роки тому +9

    Pretty silly you can’t derive the BG MQ yourself. I’ve have several of the new gosas and I have no complaints so far

    • @empstheruler
      @empstheruler 3 роки тому +2

      New gosa is 🔥 but still has a little wobble

    • @Gio-nl7eg
      @Gio-nl7eg 3 роки тому

      @@empstheruler should only be if you get a defective one right?

    • @jacojonker4312
      @jacojonker4312 2 роки тому

      @@Gio-nl7eg no...al 8000's still have the same wobble. Had 2 new 2020 models....wobble like crazy. Sold one and eventually manage to balance the rotor on the other one.

  • @Thoeun-uj1sy
    @Thoeun-uj1sy 5 місяців тому

    Think the Saragossa will top it. . Looking to get one shortly

  • @LilDino808
    @LilDino808 3 роки тому +3

    I’m thinking about getting the stradic SW just because I like the color better then the gossa even though they are the same reel lol. Cool video Ryan.

    • @seaturtledad6596
      @seaturtledad6596 Рік тому

      just get the saragosa and painted it to gunmetal color, chge the knob to gomexus, viola.. u got better ver of stradic

  • @anthonytrujillo376
    @anthonytrujillo376 2 роки тому

    Great info bro❤️ I subscribed to this feed, keep em coming

  • @FishingReviews
    @FishingReviews 3 роки тому

    Nice review
    But I guess that Daiwa Blast is better than BG MQ if we talk about 6000 size. It has tuning opportunity. You can add 4 bearings into this reel and that is why I think small BLASTs is better than small BGs...

  • @gasparebrunetti6196
    @gasparebrunetti6196 3 роки тому

    I have both on a 10000 great choice!!

  • @costea67
    @costea67 2 роки тому

    Hay , i like u coment by this two modells , but in my opions base on my experience , Daiwa it solid en smood , all that MQ they are great.

  • @andrewmorke
    @andrewmorke 3 роки тому +3

    No sealing on the BG MQ was a deal breaker for me and I don't think the mag seal grease will stand the test of time on the Saltist. I went with the Spheros. Saragosa might be the most cost-effective reel out there right now, closely followed by the Slammer and the Spinfisher.

  • @tint6968
    @tint6968 3 роки тому +1

    When the new spheros coming out?

  • @leonardlucioscordeirokusdr5119
    @leonardlucioscordeirokusdr5119 2 роки тому

    Dear MR i live in Brasil, and i fish tuna in Brasil and i go one time per year to Panamá, for us the good sponning reel is very very expensive three time the USA price, nowadaqu i use the New BG 8000, is a good reel, but each year five fishing days one part broke and now my reel is more hard to move, I think the axle is bent. I intent to buy two new reel i three options to choose two, The Saragossa 18000, BG 18000MQ and Penn slammer IV8500HS. which of these do you recommend? I fish for big tuna, this year in June I caught tuna over 150 pounds

  • @brycedavis689
    @brycedavis689 Рік тому

    What do you think about the daiwa bg mq after using it a while?

  • @allanreager6560
    @allanreager6560 3 роки тому

    “Freedom units” I like it LOL

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  3 роки тому

      🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

  • @mrfish49el
    @mrfish49el 3 роки тому +1

    I got lucky found a new Daiwa Catalina 6500h locally for 500

  • @hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389
    @hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389 3 роки тому

    After using them for a few hours that movement in the handle (gears) will be the same in the bg, Once it loosens up.my certate lt has it and my stradics.

  • @arccibernardo22
    @arccibernardo22 2 роки тому

    Hello sir, what PE did you used? And how many meters fits in? Thanks

  • @kenth6140
    @kenth6140 3 роки тому +5

    Bgmq is better than saragosa for pier, inshore, surf, lighter, smoother, stronger, smaller size. I have. Both saragosa6000, bgmq6000. saragosa is sexy body . bgmq is lighter, smoother, stronger. Bgmq WIN !

    • @calallen8786
      @calallen8786 2 роки тому

      Gosa for W in land-based. I used them on the pier, jetty, beach heck even landed 120lb tarpon on it

  • @SaltDonky
    @SaltDonky 4 місяці тому

    Whats the verdict, on the bg mq?

  • @rb319
    @rb319 Рік тому

    why choose the 10000 pg? the lowest gear ratio of the line. sw-a smokes bg line imo

  • @frenchtoast963
    @frenchtoast963 2 роки тому

    well as far as i know, the airrotor that daiwa used *is* made of zaion but instead they decide to use graphite reinforced plastic even though daiwa advertises it as airrotor??

  • @KaptanlaBalkPesinde
    @KaptanlaBalkPesinde 2 роки тому

    Daiwa bg mq 5000dh vs saragosa sw 6000hg which one

  • @carlosllama9979
    @carlosllama9979 2 роки тому +1

    How do u feel about the quantum Cabo 50??

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  2 роки тому

      Haven’t had enough experience with it to have an opinion

  • @manuelescobedo4343
    @manuelescobedo4343 3 роки тому +1

    How do you use the spool shins do I just add more if my braid is not laying properly

    • @empstheruler
      @empstheruler 3 роки тому +1

      You’re going to have to add them or take some away depending on if your braid is spooling more towards to top or bottom.

  • @hanfei6871
    @hanfei6871 2 роки тому +2

    BG MQ stronger more power
    Saragossa better sealed

  • @Anti_ZionisNKRI
    @Anti_ZionisNKRI 3 роки тому

    Saragosa all the Way... Even tho i own Old BG

  • @andrewwolf4963
    @andrewwolf4963 2 роки тому +2

    The BG MQ is a terrible representation of their BG series. They are just trying to make money off a name that was successful
    That’s why I love Shimano
    But I still buy Daiwa reels but prefer Shimano

  • @naeemimrit5460
    @naeemimrit5460 3 роки тому +2

    It should have been saragossa vs saltist.. Not bg

  • @hmoobshow2482
    @hmoobshow2482 2 роки тому +3

    Shimano spinning reels have always been better than Daiwa, Daiwa slightly better than okuma. For the price you won’t get anything that can match the Saragosa.

    • @patrickhagan8244
      @patrickhagan8244 2 роки тому

      You don't know shit good day Walmart shopper

    • @danielwutfisho
      @danielwutfisho Рік тому

      daiwas slightly better than okuma?😂 come on man do your research of both brands and then make an evaluation

    • @hmoobshow2482
      @hmoobshow2482 Рік тому

      @@danielwutfisho fished enough with both to make my assessment

  • @callumhillier5810
    @callumhillier5810 3 роки тому

    Which one is better if I am fishing for kingfish 2 miles offshore?

    • @calallen8786
      @calallen8786 2 роки тому

      Conventional is the way to go. More line capacity to let the kings run til it get tired but for conventional probably saragosa 10000k + for it line capacity

  • @heyjoejp
    @heyjoejp 8 місяців тому

    My BG MQ 1400 after one season I’m the CCC is dead. Salt ate it Alive. Gosh Rules.

  • @anonymous-yj4dl
    @anonymous-yj4dl 2 роки тому

    What are a rod and reel that are perfect for 65lb braid

  • @offthescalefishing1380
    @offthescalefishing1380 2 роки тому

    BG stands for Black & Gold as far as I know

  • @angelpagan3118
    @angelpagan3118 2 роки тому

    I want ULTEGRA 14,000= XSE only that’s reel🐟

  • @truongvyfishingphuquoc8781
    @truongvyfishingphuquoc8781 3 роки тому +1

    Bg Mq !!! Better than sara for Tor

  • @billybob4605
    @billybob4605 2 роки тому

    Diawia is simple and great and the best

  • @CopenYotas
    @CopenYotas 2 роки тому

    Isn't BG for Black and Gold?

  • @amcfishing1141
    @amcfishing1141 3 роки тому +3

    Ive never heard a good thing about the BG MQ. Every person I've ever asked about it that own them says they will never own them again.

    • @Gio-nl7eg
      @Gio-nl7eg 3 роки тому

      Wow that actually says a lot. I’ve heard good things never actually used one tho

    • @jayyy3507
      @jayyy3507 2 роки тому

      They are good reels, guess depends what type of fishing you do… guys buy 200-300 reels & treat it like a Van Staal lol

    • @daltonv5206
      @daltonv5206 2 роки тому

      I have 3 and all 3 have been great. To each their own. I love them

  • @maasai-
    @maasai- 3 роки тому

    For daiwa u may get good quality n durability at top mid range to high ones not less even there still shimano wins all day long , for yrs i have never ruined shimano reel completely , worse issue is the line roller ball bearings, gosa is just far ahead from BGs . I’m tough on my gears , have rhe best from shimano from stella downwards,

    • @justinszuch6184
      @justinszuch6184 3 роки тому

      Diawa fuego is the best 100 reel out there, I replaced my Ci4+ with fuegos.

    • @seaturtledad6596
      @seaturtledad6596 Рік тому

      @@justinszuch6184 fuego trash, its wobbly when u fight big fish, small gear, stpd magseal for maintenance.

    • @justinszuch6184
      @justinszuch6184 Рік тому

      @@seaturtledad6596 If you are fishing for big fish I wouldn't use non of the reels mentioned, Saltiga

    • @seaturtledad6596
      @seaturtledad6596 Рік тому +1

      @@justinszuch6184 yeah but u never know when the big one will bite

  • @miamiwax5504
    @miamiwax5504 Рік тому

    i like the bg mq more than the saragosa

  • @waltercao2814
    @waltercao2814 Рік тому

    It would be great if you have any updates on this comparison.

  • @ReelObsession904
    @ReelObsession904 Рік тому

    Saragosa 8k or 10k

  • @calallen8786
    @calallen8786 2 роки тому

    Gosa all day

  • @amazingace876
    @amazingace876 2 роки тому

    can these reel be used or surf casting

  • @evemorie4730
    @evemorie4730 3 роки тому

    ありがとうございます

  • @redskins1120
    @redskins1120 2 роки тому

    The BG sucks! Mine broke on the first day of fishing!

  • @thanehuesy8895
    @thanehuesy8895 3 роки тому +4

    I got 2 daiwa bg’s and I was not impressed when they arrived, drag was quiet, did not spin a lot and has a low gear ratio. I only got t because I heard good ratings from it. Never getting a daiwa again sticking to shimano.

  • @benskai2475akurfishing
    @benskai2475akurfishing 3 роки тому

    reel kren ingin sekali punya sat seperti ini

  • @justfishing6686
    @justfishing6686 2 роки тому

    Good video

  • @crewdaiwa8287
    @crewdaiwa8287 3 роки тому

    Mantap mister. Kalo boleh saya minta 1 itu reel nya. Kirim ke INDONESIA

  • @redskins1120
    @redskins1120 2 роки тому

    The BG handle breaks too easy.

  • @The_Florida_Fishing_Channel

    I broke the system I have both

  • @Slobfishn
    @Slobfishn 3 роки тому

    #Teamgosa jetty land based fishing 🎣 rockstar

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  3 роки тому

      Definitely a contender!

  • @91G_
    @91G_ 2 роки тому

    Why is the Spheros SWA not on this list??

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  2 роки тому

      B/c it wasn’t released at the time this video was filmed

    • @91G_
      @91G_ 2 роки тому

      @@RyanMorie I thought so thx for the reply

    • @91G_
      @91G_ Рік тому

      @@TJXHT for a reel between 100 and 150 it depends what you are targeting but definitely the Regular Daiwa BG 5000/6500 but if I was you I would save up a little bit more and just get the Spheros SWA 10000/14000, better in basically every way

    • @91G_
      @91G_ Рік тому

      @@TJXHT nice definitely 14000 Spheros

    • @91G_
      @91G_ Рік тому

      @@TJXHT no more like a BG 6500 size

  • @julian9579
    @julian9579 3 роки тому

    BG = Black Gold or am i wrong ? 😂

    • @julian9579
      @julian9579 3 роки тому

      and the 6+1 means 6 ball bearings + 1 roller bearing wich is the antireverse 😂 it has nothing to do with the line roller bearing 😄

    • @davesiu680
      @davesiu680 3 роки тому +2

      the BG MQ stands for Big Game monoque body. Is not a replacement from the previous BG "Black Gold"

  • @hon.jst.a.r896
    @hon.jst.a.r896 3 роки тому +1

    They are over priced 😜

    • @nelson442
      @nelson442 3 роки тому +1

      For the line capacity the sarogosas have they are over priced 🤦🏻‍♂️, like i would rather get the new spheros 20k for the price

  • @Zeus-em7eq
    @Zeus-em7eq 4 місяці тому

    Amico mio un Mulinello mono scocca è sempre migliore. Saluti

  • @danielslocum7316
    @danielslocum7316 Рік тому +1

    Took my brand new Battle II 5000 for a spin yesterday for the very first time and I hooked a 20lb yellowtail using a Ugly Stik X2 (medium hard) rod ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxM68VkfsQhHaabDce1IwOCXuvumcpbZ_k . This combo was recommended on some website and it did not disappoint me. The reel is smooth, the drag click is pretty cool cause i think it adds to the excitement of fighting the fish, personally the drag is my favorite part. I use braid and 300 yards will fill the entire spool. This combo is my main setup from now on although I have to disclose I am new to fishing.

  • @anthonybeshere6115
    @anthonybeshere6115 2 роки тому +1

    I own both and had to send the bg back for repair in the first 6 months I owned it however the customer service was excellent from daiwa. Gosa is still smooth as butta 🧈

    • @RyanMorie
      @RyanMorie  2 роки тому +1

      What went wrong with the BG?

    • @anthonybeshere6115
      @anthonybeshere6115 2 роки тому +1

      Not 100% it was reeling rough and had a lot of play in the bail, customer service was quick I tracked reel it got to Cali on Monday and was back to me in Florida on Friday

    • @Im-mv6bf
      @Im-mv6bf 2 роки тому

      Did you have a really bad poor gear meshing feel? I've had a Geary feeling a couple times on my bg 5000 but havnt had it for a while now, just goes back to feeling buttery smooth after