Henry VIII's OTHER Children
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Everyone knowns Henry VIII’s three surviving legitimate children, Queen Mary I, Queen Elizabeth I and King Edward VI. Their sibling rivalries and brief, bloody and brilliant reigns are among the most famous in history. But these three illustrious monarchs were not King Henry’s only children. He had a legitimate son with his first wife, Catherine of Aragon whose tragic death changed the course of history, an acknowledged illegitimate son whom he considered making a king and as many as 6 other children with his mistresses. They included a pirate con-artist, Queen Elizabeth I’s closest friend, William Shakespeare’s patron and a playwright. Here are their stories...
Henry, Duke of Cornwall
Henry Fitzroy
Thomas Stukley
Elizabeth Tailboys
Catherine Carey
Henry Carey
Richard Edwardes
Ethelreda (Audrey) Malte
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Makes you wonder how different things would have been had baby Henry lived to adulthood. Would any of Henry's other wives ever married him? Would Mary, Elizabeth and Edward still been born? What would King Henry IX been like as a king?
yeah, and the tudor dynasty would be a lot less interesting, henry would have 1 wife, no bloody mary or elizabeth i, no pope scandals, no church of england, wayyy more King Henry's (Henry VIII was the last king Henry)
woah. Makes ya think. Although I’m glad for my money I think I’d rather that save a couple lives.
He probably would have married again since Catherine died in 1536 most likely if cancer which I guess would still come even if she was still married to him. Although her health may have been better if she didn't have so many miscarriages and stillbirths. There are also historians who think that Henry had a condition (don't remember what) that made if difficult to have children which his son might have inherited. Henry jr might then have ended up childless and James Stuart may have become king of England and Scotland. There are many possibilities
I wish there would be a whole genre about "what ifs" in history, kind of like in comics. It would be fascinating to read someone's theory in fiction form.
@@LucieCornelia Mac Leod's symdrome.
I find it so amazing that King Henry VIII went through so much trouble to ensure the continuation of the Tudor line, just for Elizabeth I to decide she will never marry and have children...😅
If he only knew it was the daughter of Anne who would rule and beloved by millions. Suck it Henry!
We love to see it, the level of petty and fuck you dad energy is iconic
@Abdul Jalloh Women weren’t allowed to carry a name/legacy, just men (unless they were the only legitimate heir) so even though James I/VI had Tudor blood it is only the continuation of the Stewart line and the Tudor dynasty is over
That’s karma for all Henry’s deeds.
Poetic justice.
Henry didn’t want bloodshed for his succession but literally divided a whole religion in his country for it….. what narcissism will do to a man
Glad to be church of England!
And because of Henry Viii the royal family has about as much freedom as a prisoner when it comes to marriage.
You are so correct on that point!
The brits sure have a confused family tree
And desperation
Henry: is given the thought of marrying his children together
Also Henry: beheads Anne for incest accusations
That’s true! 🤨
Hes one of the biggest hypocrites ever known to man kind
Anne was beheaded because Jane Seymour caught the kings attention. Henry needed an excuse to get rid of Anne.
I can't believe Catherine of Aragon couldn't spend any time with her son to bond with him before he died. No wonder she grieved all her life.
I felt sad hearing about that and the general norms. I wonder how Henry would have fared if he could've stayed close to Catherine and traveled with them.
Very sad. Also having to suffer thru labor and birth with a big audience of royal gawkers!! No "bed pan" babies sneaking in, lol.
Catherine was the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella -- she knew exactly what was expected of her and exactly how Royal families worked in those days!
@@robjohnston1433 : Yes, she was a strong, devoted Queen. While Henry was playing soldier in France, she faced a far greater enemy in Scotland. And sent Henry a trophy;
a blood stained jacket, if I remember correctly.
@@dstrong5897 Doesn't mean it hurt no less. But yes she did know what was expected of Royals
The Pope: No divorce, incest fine though.
BRUH
Royal blood was all that mattered
Roll Tide- that pope
LMAO!
Are you surprised? They also said priest should be celibate but them themselves had like 15 children 😂
Henry: *kills Cathrine Howard because she was not a virgin*
Also Henry:
haha.. c-cool THANK GOD HE LEFT ME BE
It wasn’t just Henry. Back then people were sexist. I think it was the law that the Queen’s had to disclose if their sexual past before getting married to the king. Catherine said she was a virgin. Which wasn’t true.
Henry also married Catherine parr and she probably wasn’t a virgin as she has been married 2 times before Henry
@@moondivine2288 Henry probably married Catherine Parr since he knew she wasn't a virgin and therefore wouldn't have a big virginity scandal like with Katherine Howard
@@moondivine2288 Her virginity was stolen from her 🤷🏾♀️ she’s a virgin in my eyes…
@@SomePerson_Online you’re right. But at that time they probably didn’t care. From a book I read Thomas Cranmer thought Catherine Howard made it up to save herself.
Currently 37 weeks pregnant and I’ve know about baby Henry, but hearing it again while pregnant just makes me want to weep. Poor Catherine, you feel that little life grow inside of you, moving, kicking and even having hiccups. Even 500 years later it is tragic I hope they were reunited in heaven.
Congrats and may your labors be as boring as labor can be.
Seconding Bryan, best of luck and may you have an easy and boring delivery and a healthy baby!
I have a little 3 month old right now, sleeping in my arms. I cannot bear to imagine what it would feel like to experience that kind of bereavement.
My good wishes for your easy delivery and a lovely "4th trimester" and beyond 😊
@@thepresence365 thank you ☺️
@@systlin2596 thank you 🙏
Funny that every single child Henry claimed as his own (all legitimate children and the one illegitimate child, Henry Fitzroy, he pushed so hard to succeed him) never had children of their own.
He only had three legitimate children. His son was too young, Mary tried but failed and Elizabeth didn't want any.
And Henry Fitzroy died before he and his wife were even permitted to sleep together
@@PawelSorinsky they were the three that survived. He fathered 6 legitimate children with Cathetine of Aragon, three with Anne Boleyn and one with Jane Seymour. So he had 10 legitimate children, only 3 survived pregnancy and or infancy.
If he hadn't ignored Mary for so many years she might have had children
@@jamiemohan2049 Anne boleyn had two miscarriages and Elizabeth was born
I love how Elizabeth seemed to enjoy collecting her half siblings like they're Pokemon cards.
💀💀💀
Lol 🤣 ikr!
Lmfao
True
gotta catch 'em all
Should a paternal test kit exist back then, the royal lineage would have been longer than the circumference of the Earth.
I think as far as lineage is concerned, Genghis Khan would have given Henry VIII a run for his money.
@@roxyshow123 like 10% of the world is related to him right?
@@terynb4407 Bizarrely, yes.
@@roxyshow123 Sadly, Khan wins big time via near daily rapes.
@@cinm9565 'Fraid so.
Elizabeth seems so kind. She took care of her half-siblings as she was appointed to serve her family as well as her country. Or maybe she helped her half-siblings to get them to stay loyal because she was all alone during her reign. But it was helpful and kind no matter what was the reason.
Eh, she and her legitimate half-sibling QUEEN MARY weren't so keen on each other though 😆
@@Leelz247 They were set up to regard one another as enemies since Elizabeth's birth. People don't acknowledge how much both of them, especially Mary, suffered at the hands of their father.
Elizabeth I also executed her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots, so she wasn't nice to all her relatives.
@@Dave_Sisson I have heard E 1st called a lot of things.Kind wasn't one of them.
Her cousin you mean
i remember my principal used to brag about being Henry VIIIs descendant like its something to be proud of.
Why would he be proud of being a descendant of a gluttons wife killer??
To some people it is something to be proud of.
@@auroral0vescake Because she was rather cruel and used it to explain why she shouldnt be messed with honestly i would just roll my eyes.
@@donijaya Even then I feel like some royals and high status people arent worth bragging about.
@@acharonim4659 my principal was rather despotic so i can see why it would be
Lord that dude "Thomas" lived quite a life. How the hell did he live for so long to do so much and I do feel sorry for his abandoned wife who lost all her fortune because of his actions.
I was thinking that too 💔
@@donijaya yes do u believe our lifes path is already set and all things are meant to happen??
he really wanted ireland but fate meant he never would get there.
Quite the character
I was thinking the same. That guy was something ELSE‼️What a "rapscallion", as they used to say‼️🤣🤣
I feel so sorry for Catherine of Aragorn. She was so in love with Henry, she was fierce, feisty and ended like a nun, in the middle of nowhere... She lost almost all her children, she must be heartbroken many times, in many ways...
I watched a thing on Henry the 8th (I am, I am). They said that prior to the death of his son, he was a well liked and intelligent man. The dramatic change in behavior afterwards was huge. They say he completely changed for the tyrant we all love to hate. Experts think that the jousting accident that caused him injuries that prevented him from ever competing again also caused brain damage. Minor brain damage can cause a shift in personality and could explain how he basically went from agreeable and beloved king to tyrant basically overnight.
I agree with you as well. I truly feel that the brain injury most likely did attribute to his behavior later. Coupled with the fact that he became less active and started gaining weight and more than likely had diabetes which caused all his leg sores. I feel he would have never killed Anne Boleyn had he been right in his head. He chased after her for nearly 10 years before she successfully gave birth to a healthy baby the first year of marriage. She would have surely went on to have another child. Miscarriages were common back then. It wasn't out of the ordinary. I truly think Henry acted on impulse and believed his enemies in the heat of the moment. I believe they slowly fed the information in his ear over time and struck when they had a fight. I believe henry believed some of things regarding what he was told. And acted impulsively.
Henry is my 14x GGF. Illegitament mind you, but none the less. Late age onset of Schizophrenia runs in the family as fibromyalgia, RH factors in pregnancy due to the rare blood type.
He was a neurotic tyrant long before the jousting accident and much worse after.
How was Henry VIII when he was young?
@@kaoyirengoku4023 from what I've heard from documentaries and such he was as likable as royals from that time could be expected when he was young. Still an arrogant ass at times but a bit nicer to the common folk than most.
The way she explains, it just makes it easy to understand, and you also do not get bored. Also, I love it how here I find people like me who are just impresed and respectful when it comes to history. I don't find many people to share this passion with, but knowing that you care makes me really glad, so thank you for chosing culture and history!🥰
Honestly why I think I stated loving history a few years ago!
@@bryana50cents16 that is really great! I'm glad😄!
Good for you!
Maybe, but she gets quite a lot wrong: she is not an historian.
@@jgibbs651 Agreed - this is as accurate as Marie Antoinette saying “Let them eat cake” 😂
ikr she does an amazing job :))
Why hasn't someone written an insane historical novel about Thomas Stukely? It could almost be a comedy: Thomas is Forrest Gumping his way through 16th Century England, Ireland, and Europe.
Epic right!
Random fun fact: I’m actually a descendant of Richard Edwardes. I’ve been tracing our family tree, and it turns out he is my 13x Great-Grandfather on my maternal side. I’ve been an avid fan of Tudor history since I was about 10 or 11, so finding this out was honestly amazing for me. It’s a shame there’s no concrete proof that he was indeed fathered by Henry VIII. Still, it’s surreal to think that there is even the slightest possibility that Henry is my 14x Great-Grandfather!
I’m very interested to know how you traced your family tree. I’d love to do mine but haven’t a clue where to start! Many thanks
I too am a descendant of Richard Edwards. I have always had an unreasoning horror of/fascination with Henry VIII.
I was shocked to see this comment!!!! I am as well, and am guessing your current family name is edwards as is mine through my mother also, but if not so happy to meet you anyway!!!
Actually my dad’s grandfather was E.E.Edwards, a justice of the peace in our town.
If you don’t mind me asking, do you have the iconic Tudor red hair?
Queen Elizabeth II is a direct descendant of Catherine Carey and thus Mary Boleyn through her mother Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. If Catherine Carey indeed was fathered by Henry VIII, then his bloodline lives on through the current monarch.
Also Diana, Princess of Wales is descended from Henry Carey, the son of Mary Boleyn.
And through king James whose both parents who were Tudors.
It does, through several descendants.
The irony! He desperately wanted a legitimate son but had so many illegitimate sons.
double irony is the 2 legitimate children of his who ended up reigning the longest were both girls; that's the karma he gets for being mysoginistic.
I don’t know why, but I can never get enough of the Tudors. Thank you for another fantastic video!
Same!❤
I can’t imagine what it was like for the husbands of these mistresses to deal with children the king fathered. Even the most well-meaning stepfather might have found it hard to get his head around the fact his wife got knocked up by the king and he can’t do anything about it
@@donijaya Yeah, I was going to chime in and say the same. Also doesn't hurt that most men had little if anything to do with thier children anyway. That might also go for the mother as well depending on just how wealthy and titled.
In short people especially kids died by the handful on the daily, no one was especially fussed to bother about bonding.
@@donijaya Wow, that's real bootlicker mentality there. The king can go sod himself--his kids aren't any more 'valuable' than mine.
Now, I'm a male myself & I wish to be a father someday (at least hypothetically), so those are the biases I'll lay on the table. There are *very* few circumstances (in pre-modern times) where I would consider raising a child I had reason to suspect was not a close biological relation:
1) My partner was sexually assaulted, & 'honor' dictated that I acknowledge the child as mine to spare her shame. No judgement there.
2) I adopted the child (which I consider a wholly selfless act).
But being cuckolded by the king does not exactly fall into those categories (maybe 1) depending on the situation; being a king's mistress was no doubt coercive for most women by our standards, & I'm sure most women back then considered it so also, but there are a few that probably 'went willingly').
If the king's child was foisted onto me in such a way (assuming this is still the premodern era), that kid is getting left out in the wilderness to die.
Not so confusing, almost all of those men had one or more mistresses on the side during the course of their life, plus they were pragmatic and self-serving. The basic deal was in return for turning a blind eye and then raising the king's kid, he and his whole family benefit tremendously. Some obviously didn't make wise use of it, but that was their own choices.
@@christinecameron1612 so it was a tremendous honor for these guys to be the stepfather of the king’s child. Henry Fitzroy’s stepdad must have treated him very well knowing that if all else failed, his stepson could probably be king if he had lived long enough and no other heir was born
ngs
So Elizabeth was best friends with her half sister
Also didn’t know he had that many illegitimate kids
Its under speculation. The three other ppl in the thumbnail arent kids of Henry VIII btw. Just Fitzroy
At any rate, they were first cousins
@@ahmedshahid8534 they all favor Henry VIII
Have you thought about doing a video on the Dudley's? The family was tightly wrapped in with the Tudor's and had a great deal of influence with the crown.
Nope! Time to move on from the british royals!
Hello my friend! how are you doing today?
That's a good idea. No one's done a video on the Dudley clan and they were a very important family in the Tudor era.
That would be like unwrapping an andacondas death grip around an antelope since there all the Dudley children that were part of Arthur Plantagenet 's family after he married Dudley's Widow. I am a descendant of both Arthur Plantagenet. And Henry VII. And still trying to peel the twisting layers away.
James Halley, we're probably distantly related. 😆
Now we just need Usefulcharts to make a family tree video of Henry VIII to see who his living heavies are, assuming there any present day.
Yesss
The Careys alone have MANY descendants, many of them famous, like Charles Darwin and even the current royals. Claire Ridgway of The Anne Boleyn Files did a video on that, showing Elizabeth II’s descent through her mother, and additionally how William and Harry are descended from another line through Diana. You can also have hours of fun exploring the line on Entitree, the site UsefulCharts shared on a livestream somewhat recently.
As you or anyone else can guess from this collection of bastards, it's really not unusual for anyone at all to have royal blood in their ancestory. Most historians and genealogists
know this. Most of these ancestors didn;t have titles or power. The majority of them were peasants.
I have a suspicion he did something similar, but for a different British monarch (sorry, cannot remember whom,but it was one of contested ones)? The "true" king lives in outback Australia. There's a documentary about it too.
@@PostImperfect lol that was the documentary from like 20 years ago about how the real UK monarch is living in Australia. His name is Simon something and I made a joke comment on that video about how I’d support his claim simply so we can have a king that makes laws and invokes Simon Says.
That cannonball from Elizabeth was straight up karma for Thomas!
Hi Cindy, how are you doing?
@@hurst-cs2jh I'm ok.
@@cindychristian1700 it's nice to hear from you, where are you from?
@@hurst-cs2jh From Pluto! Get lost creep!
I think it's not illogical at all to rule out Mary Boleyn's children as possibly sired by Henry VIII. I don't know why a lot of historians tend to do so since the husbands of Royal Mistresses would often make claims on royal "bastards" as their own in exchange for money and favours.
Claire Ridgeway of the Anne Boleyn files (an Anne Boleyn author and researcher) has repeatedly stated that it is very unlikely Henry fathered her children.
@@ninedaysqueen301 Thank you!
@@SafetySpooon You’re welcome!
@@ninedaysqueen301 Yeah, was also going to direct the OP to her channel. She has a fair number of videos on this subject. They’re very well researched and she discusses the evidence behind what we know so you can draw your own conclusions to an extent as well.
@@--enyo-- Agreed. This video feels very poorly researched and just for entertainment.
I don’t like Henry for obvious reasons
I feel ya anne.
Makes sense.
I agree
Hello Mother and stepmothers! 😁💕
@@lollipop96537 daughter! I haven’t seen you for the past couple of days. I missed you
No one:
Henry VIII: But wait, there's more!
and here is another one!
Let Me Guess Oversimplified?
Our names are long lost siblings
Im a descendant of Catherine Carey I didn’t know she was possibly King Henry VIII’s child so cool.
Easy dna test
@@unitunitglue5143 That's only if you can compare to the ancestor's DNA, of which none will remain
My husband is related to Catherine, as well.
NO way dear. She had children by Sir Francis Knolly and he aunt married Sir. Charles Howard
@@unitunitglue5143 you’d probably have to apply to the Queen to get any dna from Henry, and that will never happen.
My heart will forever hurt and mourn for Catherine of Aragon, her baby boy, and Mary I.
Catherine of Aragon and baby Henry are in heaven...Mary I'm not so sure about her in heaven. More like🔥🔥🔥
@@sekichdawn3913 while her actions were terrible, she truly believed she was doing the right thing by protecting that Catholic faith. Life had taken everything from her. And then the world tried to take her religion and force her to be Protestant. She truly feared that she would go to Hell if she didn't fight for Catholicism. I personally don't believe in a hell. My heart still hurts for Mary
Yes I feel so sorry for Catherine. I hate Henry and Anne Boleyn.
Don't forget all of the other stillbirths and miscarriages that Henry's wives suffered.
I knew about Henry Fitzroy and his first son with Catherine of Aragon and of course Ed, Good Queen Bess, and Bloody Mary. but I didn't know there were other children.
To be honest, with the libido Henry had, i’d be surprised if there wasn’t
I only knew about Henry Fitzroy and the Careys - most of the other "children" seen to be way more doubtful as being his.
This video is more or less a diatribe against Henry and his children. These people are EXTREMELY unlikely to have been fathered by Henry VIII. Claire Ridgeway of the Anne Boleyn Files has proven that Mary Boleyn’s children were unlikely to be his.
@@ninedaysqueen301 yes
I only knew Henry Duke of Cornwall and Henry fitzroy I also didn't know the rest
I wonder if the idea that his mother wasn't constantly there for baby Henry that resulted in him being more prone to getting sick. Children separated from their mother at birth experience higher levels cortisol and other health effects. That is why 'kangaroo care' for premature babies has been significantly important to helping them survive.
Babies need their moms breast milk...closeness..and voice. How wrong for both child and mom to not be able to be together. Bad for both of them.
The Duke of Cornwall just looks done with life already...
I've often wondered did Elizabeth I end the Tudors Dynasty on purpose as payback to her father?
After seeing how her father treated her mother and four of her stepmothers and hearing about how he treated his first wife, can you blame her?
@@barbarak2836 absolutely not....
@@barbarak2836 And how disastrous Mary's marriage turned.
I don't know, I always saw it as a likely response to the trauma of all the female deaths . Normally (in her life) to husbands or childbirth.
Her father sowed the seeds for the end of the dynasty by failing to care for his daughters and filling thier lives with fear.
@@cameronglendinning9098 you know prince Philip wasn't even attracted to her, he was hardly ever there with her, not to mention he was eyeing Elizabeth, probably which added to her rage and insecurities, just a terrible marriage.
You have to respect Thomas's hustle. Boy just wanted his coin!
He did get that 💰🤑💸💲💶💵!
Lady Jane did not "try to take the throne" - she (and her male heirs) was willed the throne by King Edward VI because he wanted a protestant monarch. Lady Jane was 15 years old and did not want the crown, but it was forced on her head by her ambitious relatives including her F-I-L Northumberland. She was executed along with her husband, two of his brothers and the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Her F-I-L had already been beheaded. Jane's father was also beheaded for treason after he tried to raise an army against Princess Mary on Jane's behalf. Ambition usually did not go well in Tudor England.
His legitimate children wanted for nothing? Are we forgetting the time Mary and Elizabeth spent ostracized from their father while he was angry with their mothers?
They weren’t considered legitimate at the time.
@@MissCaraMint Exactly. Mary and Elizabeth each went from legitimate children to being ostracized by their father. They did not "want for nothing."
@@houseofschenck6230 No you see the statement of his «legitimate children wanted for nothing» is correct if both girls were not considdered legitimate at the time that they were treated badly.
The story of Henry VIII and his 6 wives just goes to show that truth can indeed be stranger than fiction! If someone had made the story up, I think people would have said it was too far fetched to happen. Especially, when Henry became angry with his 6th and last wife Katherine Parr, and issued a warrant for her arrest, which someone - who was obviously sympathetic to Katherine - managed to drop somewhere where she would and did find it. Poor Katherine was, of course, terrified by this, but her Ladies-in-Waiting and the young Elizabeth, who loved her stepmother very much, dried her tears and dressed her up; and told her to find Henry and beg his forgiveness. Now, I'm not trying to excuse Henry's behaviour in any way, but one of the reasons for his short temper was the constant pain he suffered from his ulcerated leg. The "treatment" for this involved cauterisation, which, in practice, meant applying a red-hot poker to the ulcers!!! Doctors in the 16th century believed that wounds should be kept open, which lead to constant infections and Henry VIII nearly died several times of septicaemia. Katherine was a very good wife to Henry VIII because, by then, he was old and sick and he needed a nurse to look after him. Katherine was the only person at court who Henry allowed to dress and bandage his leg., which "stunk like rotten meat" according to Elizabeth. Katherine was a very intelligent, interesting woman who wrote several published books on religion and she was very much in favour of the new religion of protestantism and the idea that the bible should be available in English, not just Latin. She used to take Henry's mind off the pain he suffered, by discussing religion with him. But he thought she was "meddling" when she begged him to show mercy to a woman named Anne Askew, who Henry had had tortured on the rack in the Tower of London. After Katherine pleaded with Henry to be merciful he said: "Doctor of my body you may be, but Doctor of Divinity you will NEVER BE!!!" But, after finding the warrant for her own arrest Katherine did find Henry, in one of the rose gardens, where she fell on her knees and begged his forgiveness, saying: "Your Majesty, I am only a weak woman and I need Your Majesty's guidance and wisdom in all things. The only reason I discuss matters of religion with you is because I want to take your mind off your terrible pain." Henry immediately forgave her and said "We are friends again my sweet Kate." So, when the guards arrived to arrest Queen Katherine, they found her sitting hand-in-hand with Henry and he had the nerve to tell them off, even though he had ordered them to arrest Katherine. Thank God she outlived Henry (she must have jumped for joy when the old bugger died!!!)
Now this might be a bit of a weird suggestion, but would you consider making a video about the Princesses of Wales? It might be interesting to see what the Queens consorts’s lives were like before their husbands ascended the throne.
Before Princess Victoria became Victoria I, her cousin, super popular Princess Charlotte, daughter of Prince George of Wales, Regent to Mad George III, was actually legally designated the next in line in her own right, but died in childbirth effectively due to what we today would consider severe malpractice. There are a lot of less often presented, more interesting characters out there than just the usual cast of documentaries and dramas. Her widower, Leopold of Belgium still pines after "my beloved Charlotte" a few times in the tv show "Victoria".
"He gave not a fart". I think I just found my new catchphrase. Lindsey, I love your videos!
Another excellent video Lindsay, i I couldn't help noticing, the little things like Henry being away celebrating the pregnancy of his mistress while Catherine was having a miscarriage. These smaller things just go to show the extent that he was a cruel man through and through
With the ability to determine lineage through DNA these days, we can only imagine the truths that would come about now. If the royals allowed their own private genealogical investigators to pull samples from the crypts, that would be the most interesting of all information. have thought about it with my own Sicilian lineage.
Hadn't heard of any of his children but Catherine Carey, Henry Duke of Cornwall, and Henry Fitzroy before this. Thanks for another great one, Lindsay!
The drawing for the "lavish christening" for Henry's first son is actually a drawing of the lavish christening of his lather son with Jane Seymour.
Lady Jane Grey didnt try to take the crown. She was a 15 year old pawn, who lost her head bc of her fathers ambitions and Edwards unwillingness to name Mary as heir
Scary to contemplate Henry VIII has so many potential living descendants, most of whom are probably unaware of their (in)famous ancestor.
Fun Fact: my 12th great grandfather was the inventor of the flush toilet,John Harrington, and his father married to Etherelda Malte Henry's illigitmate daughter!
Such a great recitation of the Tudor legacy and Henry's other children. I was excited to learn that my own children are decendents of Catherine Knolleys through their father's maternal grandmother. Also I find it fascinating that Elizabeth I and Phillip II were not only world rivals but brother and sister in law through Mary Tudor. Since Mary had imprisoned Elizabeth, no wonder it was easy for them to become enemies.
King Henry goes through wives, trying to get a healthy heir, but I bet he never thought he might be the one with the problems downstairs...
I think he did? But those "problems" were the Will of God rather than a physical defect. I thought he believed he was being punished for marrying his brother's wife?
Given how many children Mary’s kids have, Anne Boleyn should be pretty fertile, since these things run in the family. So I guess the reason she’s just not delivering is because of the stress then.
She had a second pregnancy and miscarried a son. I’ve heard that was due to catching Henry flirting with Jane Seymour and flying into a rage....
@Elizabeth McBurney oh yes, that would account for it. Both my Nana and my eldest daughter are rhesus negative, and even with good medical treatment it causes some distress and feeling crumby, without that treatment it would be impossible.
Don’t forget that Anne Boleyn by the time she had given in to king Henry was already in her thirties. By the time Anne had her last pregnancy resulting in a still birth of a boy when she was nearing her early thirties. That was old for a woman to conceive .
@Elizabeth McBurney
Maybe that’s the explanation for Catherine ‘s losing many of her pregnancies as well?
@Elizabeth McBurney what does RH negative mean?
As a tudor nerd, I know a lot, and this video has provided me with the first new information about Henry the VIII that I have heard in years. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Henry Fitzroy: *dies at 17*
Canadian author in the early 90's: but what if... vampires
Blood Ties
This is actually really interesting and something I never knew. I thought he only had the three children.
So Mary in addition to having two half-siblings had a full brother and if he did father his sister-in-law Mary Boleyn's children then they are Elizabeth's half-siblings and first cousins as well as another set of full-siblings fathered by the King.
Henry was busy.
If baby Henry lived into adulthood, none of the kings shenanigans would have occurred. The blood shed would be significantly less,and hed be happy. Who knows what would have happened if this was the case.
Come and join to my party Catherine
I know what could happen! You could marry Thomas Seymour a lot earlier!
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Dang Catherine out here laying it straight
Excellent, as always! You are unfailingly informative and entertaining, managing in this case to make what can be confusing family connections simple to understand.
Love these longer videos! They keep me sane during menial tasks at work
This is so great and such a unique topic. I consider myself well versed in Tudor history and I learned something new. Nice job.
The fact that skill share doesn’t have a course on how to be into royalty saddens me
Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden married her personal trainer. So if you want to marry a monarch, you don't have to be intelligent, instead you could become a gym instructor.
Bigger army diplomacy might be the search term for getting skill share classes on getting royalty
I always have wondered if things would have been different if the queen had fed her children herself.
Thank you SO much!!! Keep diving into all this.. because I'm watching!!!💕
Thanks for the awesome videos
“Became the stuff of legend... and memes.”
Ah yes, because memes are the real legends here.
Indubitably.
So super excited for this episode!!!☺️ I was actually just thinking that I would love to learn more about his other children, besides the ones that are well known of, as well as just Henry Fitzroy, because that's the only one of the illegitimate children we only hear about... But I knew of course there had to be more!! So thank you thank you thank you for doing this episode!!! As usual and as always I am so delighted by your Channel ☺️🙂☺️
Do we know if Henry supported all of his illegitimate children?
@@joanmcdermott6798 That's a fantastic question. I'm unsure of the answer. Maybe our content creator of this channel might know??
OH OH I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
The reign of Queen Elizabeth was not "brief", but almost 45 years long (November 17 1558 to March 24 1603).
Henry VIII. didn't actually divorce Catherine. He rather wanted the Pope to declare that his marriage to Catherine was invalid. The reason he found was that she had been married as a child to his brother, who died as a teenager. The marriage to a brother's widow was not allowed at the time. The question was, if Arthur and Catherine had slept with each other and thus consummated the marriage or not. Though Catherine maintained that she had never slept with Arthur and thus had not truly been his wife, the powerful and fearsome King Henry found of course several false witnesses who testified otherwise.
The Pope allowed the marriage and provided a dispensation for Henry to wed his brother's widow.
Exactly
@@marjolewis9405 She was married less than 5 months and Arthur was very I'll at the time. Further, the Tudor's did not wish to lose the huge dowery.
Thanks for a very entertaining video you definitely brought a big smile to my face keep them coming
loving the longer videos 👏👏👏
I enjoy reflecting how Henry VIII thought so little of his second legitimate daughter, but she far outshone Edward VI.
I'm so fascinated with the stories and narration of the British royal lineages in the mediaeval and middle ages.🙂
I love how Elizabeth really decided to take care of (some of) her possible step siblings
Thank you for doing this as no other historian i have ever watched has talked about these other people.
Wow this was an interesting video. Since i learned about Henry VIII on this channel, i never knew he had other illegitimate children at all. Great video.
I love the british royal history, when I find something interesting I always search lindsay holiday’s channel if she has it
Catherine of A likely had a balanced translocation which caused genetic disorders in all but one child. Her sister Joanna the Mad of Castille had porphyria. The sisters were great great great granddaughters of John of Gaunt, the common ancestor of all the porphyric royals of Europe.
They also believe Henry had fertility issues since Anne also had a few miscarriages. And believe his infertility issues were caused by diabetes.
That’s not true! Check your facts!
This was amazing!!! I wondered if there were other possibilities besides Henry Fitzroy.
I love love love your presentations!
Thomas Stukely needs a TV series!
Henry Viii was the definition of a hypocrite and karma punishing him for how flawed of a person he was.
Excellent! Loved listening to this. Brava!!!!
I just found you and "history tea time" is the pop culture/historical crossover I didn't know I needed!! I'm cackling at this name!!
This video was sooo informative. I had never heard of most of the illegitimate children.
I think it very likely that Catherine Carey was Henry’s daughter. Catherine’s daughter, Lettice Knollys, bore a very strong resemblance to Elizabeth that suggested they were more closely related than being only cousins.
Yes. Henry Carey as well - his face is pure Tudor/Boleyn like Elizabeth’s - the high hooked nose, the eyes.
And was Bess of Hardwick a close relative as well?
Lots going on that we will never know. I wonder if Liz the so branded Virgin Queen was even. If she had a baby that was given away or worse.
Well I luved that one so informative very well done ✔👍 x
Great video. You know someone is a legend when they are still talking about her 500 years later.
You are the best at what you do!
I'm a huge history buff ..especially everything Henry the 8th . This was extremely informative... keep up the good work!
I love your voice. It is perfectly suited for narration. I could listen to you all day.
Really enjoyed that
imagine if the housemaid actually just accidentally dropped Henry IX
Henry Carey seemed cool
Hey! I love your videos I binge-watch them so much! I had a suggestion could you make a video about Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria
I've been obsessed with Henry VIII since I was about 10 years old. I just recently discovered I may actually be descended from him through Catherine Carey. It appears that way from my genealogical research, but of course it's very difficult to prove it and document everything that far back.
Ever since I was young I loved learning about king Henry. And his wifes
They always say the bloodline died, but the blood, the DNA 🧬 lives on. There are probably many Brits who can trace their familial DNA to Henry.
Calling Elizabeth ruthless without any supporting evidence was uncalled for.
Wonderful video, thank you so much Lindsay 😘
Man, can you imagine how incredibly Different history would have gone if only Prince Henry had lived?
King Henry and Catherine were an incredible Power Couple of the time, if Catherine had given him an heir that didn't die He would've stayed in love w/ her and they would've continued to rule together. Who knows what they would've accomplished together as a single unit.
He never was a prince if you're referring to Henry V111ths son Henry he was Fitzroy or son of the king.
I doubt he was entitled to a proper title under English law
I’m talking about King Henry the 8ths 1st son with Catherine of Aragon, who died as an infant.
As I previously stated, Queen Catherine & King Henry were the world’s power couple when they were in the first decade of their marriage.
If Catherine had given King Henry a son it’s very likely that none of his other wives would’ve become history.
Most likely he would’ve stayed with Catherine since the only reason he left her was because after about 20 yrs she still hadn’t given him a son, so he wanted to divorce her for someone he thought Would give him a son. Also the Church of England wouldn’t have been formed, Just SO much would’ve been different if that baby had lived.
Also, bastards don’t get titles no matter who their parents are; unless bestowed by the King. King Henry’s bastard/illegitimate son was given the last name Fitzroy, because it means son of the king. It was the King’s way of recognizing his bastard son as his own. Even if he had gifted his son a title it wouldn’t change his son’s bastard label.
It's definitely hard to imagine and then I think the only other child of his that might have existed would probably be Mary.