Believe it of not but Henry the Eighth was a feminist. A new age man, it was Henry who did all the housework and washing up in his marriages. He was often heard to complain to the court...I wish someone would invent a vacuum cleaner, this carpet is absolutely filthy
It’s crazy how the Tudor Kings favoured sons as they were meant to pass on the legacy. But Henry VIII’s sister Margaret Tudor is the reason why we still have the Royal Family. Even Henry VIII’s daughter Mary and Elizabeth are remembered more than Edward VI. Truly daughters are powerful
@Kelly Sanders ok but Edward ruled for 6 years still which is longer than Mary’s reign yet Mary’s legacy (Bloody Mary) still is remembered to this day - not that she did a good thing
That's cool and all but why do people forget that my reign was way better than Mary's and could have compared to Elizabeth if I lived slightly longer? Common I deserve some credit for being the only child monarch of England other than Edward III who didn't screw up his reign
Margaret Beaufort gave birth at 13. Her marriage at 12 was consummated immediately which even then was frowned upon. But her husband knew he was going away to war and might never return and he hoped for an heir to take his place, which is exactly what happened. He was killed without ever knowing his young wife was pregnant with a son. So when Princess Margaret was betrothed to the Scots king she stopped Margaret from being sent to Scotland until she was 14. She didn't want Margaret damaged the way she had been.
The Scottish king supposedly replied to this worry by assuring his English in-laws-to-be that he was already much occupied with mistreses and would not bother Margarate for quite a while.
@@charlottekey8856 They still didn't send Margaret until she was 14.....and the Scottish king did indeed have plenty of time for her. Many kings promised not to meddle with underage brides but most broke that promise, except in households where the young bride would reside with her mother in law and other ladies who kept her separate from her groom until she was deemed old enough.
Yes, but I have read that James did assure them he was otherwise amorously occupied. Perhaps he put Margaret in the nursery with his mistresses' children for a few years.
@@charlottekey8856 He may have told them that but he had asked for her to be sent at age 12........after they had a proxy marriage and Henry Vlll was going to send her but his mother talked him out of it, and one person he listened to was his mother.
@Christopher Vergara As well from what I could tell by my speculations Henry was someone who was ruled by his sense of want, lust and ego. Which did not help any.
Although England never embraced Salic Law unless it favored them, inheritance through the female was always fraught with claims by other potential heirs.
The only person that sounded pleasant was James, who only consumated the marriage due to legal reasons and decided to wait until she was older. He then went on to give her a happy marriage until his death. He even left a will to make sure she and their son were taken care of in case of his death. What a loving and thoughtful man.
@@michellewheatley2007I think you're confusing James IV of Scotland with his great grandson, James VI of Scotland and I of England. The latter's queen was Anne of Denmark. Their daughter Elizabeth was the progenitor of the Hanover dynasty.
Elizabeth and Henry’s marriage was so strong and built of genuine affection that it’s almost ironic that their son saw women as nothing but playthings and a means to a son, although at least their daughters appeared to have had at least amicable marriages
I was thinking the same thing. Henry VII genuinely loved Elizabeth and was faithful to her their entire marriage (which is extraordinary for the time and his position) and gave their children as well adjusted a life that could be given during the his reign. And yet Henry VIII grew up to discard women like garbage on a whim, when in reality he was the real trash. Smh 🤦🏻♀️
Wasn't Henry VIII a decent husband for Katherine of Aragon for most of their marriage? For more than 20 years. But it's unfortunate how he turned out when he became desperate and then tyrannical.
@@areiaaphrodite I mean as far as medieval royal marriages go, especially Henry’s marriages, getting cheated on and being undermined in public by your husband seems like a pretty good deal. I’d let my husband cheat on me and bully me in public if he didn’t execute me, my children and my family and just left me alone. No doubt it was a horrible situation but frankly the other Catherine and Anna got the worse end of the stick. At least she was married to him while he was still young, handsome and not entirely mad
Well, to be fair He had around 5 illegitimate children that were conceived before and after His marriage to Margaret.. So He didnt wait out those 3 year's in a chaste manner
@@ilikeapples1824 lol I'm glad You see My sense of humour! :) I suppose, (for the time period) James did treat Margaret very well. A lot of Men would of kept "consummating" their marriages to child brides- consequences be damned! To be fair to Margaret, I believe She kept the younger "illegitimate" children in the royal nursery with Her own children, or at least made sure the "illegitimate" children were educated..which speaks volumes on Her character. Definitely a different time with a different view on life! :)
@@TheOnlyElle. Marriages were not often consummated. Girls could be married young but usually it was agreed between the families that the girl had to be at least 14 to 16 when having sex. Still not ideal, however at least she ain't 9. Margaret Beaufort was considered too young even for her own time to be pregnant.
lady jane is a movie about mary's granddaughter, jane grey, being queen for 9 days. its from the 80s with helena bonham carter and one of my favorites.
Damn, I'm kinda shocked at how little I hear about Margaret - I'd say anyone who's life contains the incident "fired cannons at estranged husband" is worth remembering!
You'd have a laugh at James II, king of Scots, then. He died at the height of his power, when he was killed by an exploding cannon. Not an *enemy* cannon, mind you, his own cannon. This was around the time of the War of the Roses, BTW, so it left his widow Mary of Guelders in an awkward position. She actually ran a pretty solid regency for the children she had with James.
@@Replicaate Well, James II was rather well-liked b/f he got his head blown off. Plus his son had already been born & named James by this point in time, so James III is lock-in, as it were.
@@jeandehuit5385 yes it seems it was a cursed name for that family, the first king James was killed in a conspiracy by his own Stewart kin, this one with the cannon, another was killed during the course of a rebellion of his own son, another was killed in battle against the english and the last one exiled and ousted from the thrones of his kingdoms.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 Well, you could easy apply the 'curse' to other Scottish monarchs as well: Alexander III: failed to provide an heir other than his 8 y/old granddaughter, who subsequently died. John de Balliol: awarded the kingdom as rightful heir. Subsequently undermined by the English king & forced to abdicate. David II: held captive in England & nearly forced to abdicate. Faces rebellion by his older half-nephew, & fails to father any heirs. Robert II: becomes king at advanced age & so surrenders rule to his sons, the eldest of whom was already lame. His powerbase slowly crumbles & magnates act like kings. Robert III: purportedly self-described as "the worst of kings and the most miserable of men" he also becomes king at advanced age (w/ a head injury to boot). His eldest son David is murdered, prob. by the king's brother, Albany. His younger son (the aforementioned James I) flees for his safety, only to be captured by the English. Mary, queen of Scots: was raised in Catholic France w/ the expectation of a French marriage; is forced back to (now-Protestant) Scotland when her spouse prematurely dies. Lacking an heir, she must marry, but her choice ends up being the most repugnant of men imaginable. She ends up murdering him & as a consequence she loses her throne. Exiled to England, she ends up executed due to a plot she had very little involvement in. Charles I: do we really need to go over it? I'm sure we're all familiar enough w/ the English Civil War... As you can see, Scotland didn't produce very many 'successful' monarchs: David I, Robert the Bruce, James II, & James IV are the only clear standouts. Even James VI (who had the longest reign out of any of these ppl.) was purportedly the 'wisest fool in Christendom,' since despite his extensive Calvinist education he wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, believing himself smarter than he actually was. While Scotland would have monarchs after James (I count up to Queen Anne), England had by that point effectively 'stolen' the monarchy; they stayed in England, spoke English, & looked almost exclusively after their English subjects. I don't think any monarch post-merging of the Crowns monarchs attempted governing Scotland at all, frankly. As for curses, I don't put much stock in them; the problems faced by Scottish monarchs have more to do w/ Scotland being a very difficult land to govern effectively w/ the tools available at the time. It was poor, decentralized, & had a very niche (yet indispensable) position within European geopolitics, vis-à-vis England & France (see: the Ault Alliance), as well as various Scandinavian powers.
"Now free, Mary began to make plans for a marriage to a man of her own choosing. But her brother conveniently forgot his promise.' *AND NOT A SINGLE SURPRISE WAS GIVEN.*
I bet he would had liked it as much as any other monarch of the time but his own rebellion and the subsequent Yorkish attempts to recover the throne left the crown short of funds and with the dire need of consolidation of the power of his own family, some of the people executed under his son were just guilty of having a claim to the throne due having a close connection to the Plantagenets.
You left out a particularly adorable detail about Margret and James’s relationship. Shortly after they first met, James himself came to console Margret when a stable fire killed some of her favourite horses. Few royal husbands would have even cared, but James clearly cared for his wife
Medieval times must've been like: Ok! These are the only names you can your children! Boys Girls Henry Catherine Thomas Elizabeth William Mary Arthur Margaret Charles Anne Francis Jane John Joan George Isabel Richard Eleanor
Henry VIII's sister in a nutshell Margaret Henry VII: I will predict that your marriage will finally unite Scotland and England Margaret: Dad that will never happen you are just in depression In the afterlife many years later Margaret: Hello my great-grandson James what did you do for Scotland? James I and VI: I united Scotland and England Great-grandma Margaret Margaret: WHAT!?!? Henry VII: I told you, Margaret Mary Henry VIII: I will marry my beautiful, favorite and if I had a daughter she will be named after her my dear sister Mary Tudor Mary: Awww thanks bro where I'm goin- Henry VIII: To marry the King of France who is in his 50s Mary: WHAT HELL NAH Henry VIII: Ok if he dies you can choose who to marry I promise Mary: Yes Not even a year later Mary: Finally I will marry my true love The Duke of Sullfo- Henry VIII: I'm sending you to marry another old man Mary: YOU BROKE YOUR PROMISE Henry VIII: And I sending my good friend the Duke of Suffolk to bring my sister back Mary: No...Charles let's get marry Charles: Ok... Henry VIII: WHAT THE HELL oh yeah I made a promise but you need to pay Mary: Ok fine
I would actually love to see a video about Elizabeth Stuart, the only daughter of James the first and the mother of Sofia of Hanover whose line inherited the throne after the Stuart’s. She had a fascinating life.
@@areiaaphrodite It doesn't actually. Just because they happened to be related doesn't automatically make a correlation. Henry VIII should've just been less of a misogynistic power hungry religious hypocrite. I said what I said.
Margaret Tudor had a daughter with Archibald Douglas also named Margaret. (She would be the half sister of James V) Her son, Henry, Lord Darnley married Mary, Queen of Scots-they were both Margaret Tudor’s grandchildren. Their son became James VI of Scotland and James I of England. So all British monarchs since then, come through Margaret. Not Henry VIII nor Mary. Interesting!
Just a couple of points:- 1: Richard III has never been proven to have killed his nephews. Whilst it might be likely, it cannot be stated as a fact. 2: James IV of Scotland cannot be called a British Monarch as England and Scotland were totally separate Countries at that time. P.S. It is generally agreed that Margaret Beaufort was 13 when she gave birth to Henry, NOT 14.
"Violet powder" was orris root powder. Violets don't leave a scent that lingers, but orris root is a fixative, with a violet note. It was an extremely common base note for medieval scents, including deodorants.
People keep forgetting he was married to Catherine of Aragon for 20 years. I think he did genuinely love her on some level. Trouble is... HE NEEDED A SON so, yeah, divorce for a younger woman so he could try again? Absolutely.
He was a narcissist. One rule for me, one for everyone else. Plus I think Margaret asked while he was still married to Katherine. She may have put the idea in his head
@@MsJubjubbird Yeah, the whole trouble with Margaret happened during Henry's good years w/ Katherine. While I firmly believe Henry made himself believe what he needed to believe at any given moment, you have to remember that what Henry wanted was an *annulment,* not a divorce. An annulment was like the marriage never happened. So any children produced by an annulled marriage were treated as if their parents had never been married, hence why Elizabeth I was called a bastard (legally that's what she was, as Henry annulled his marriage to Anne Boleyn b/f executing her. Even though Katherine Parr convinced Henry to include her & the future Mary I back into the line of succession, that didn't reverse the annulment). Granted, you can get a certain kind of annulment wherein the children aren't seen as illegitimate (Eleanor of Aquitaine got one of these), they were rare & I don't think it was the kind that Henry VIII wanted. I don't know if Margaret asked her brother to support an annulment or a divorce. If it was a divorce then it makes sense why he would be against it (since he considered himself a staunch Catholic his entire life, even after he stopped being a Papist). Even if Margaret asked for an annulment he may have thought she didn't have a good enough reason. Henry had the 'excuse' that Katherine of Aragon had 'known' his brother, which he believe lent ecclesiastical support for his annulment. It didn't, but those were his reason. I don't think Margaret had any other than 'we don't love each other anymore & he's using my money.' To be clear, I don't like Henry VIII very much, but he *did* try to rationalize his actions, even if said rationalizations only made sense to him.
my mum and step dad both have History degrees and one of their combined specialisms is Tudor history and my mum has her own specialism of women in history. Especially women that are lesser written about so that is one of the reasons why I love your channel and why I pointed my mum towards it as well.
Aw, thank you so much for making a video about the Tudor sisters. It’s odd learning more about them here than in a book or documentary. As someone else on this thread said, these two sisters are so underrated.
It’s good to hear about Henry’s sisters. They are often forgotten about. There are so many documentaries about Henry’s and his wives but this is the first thing Iv seen on the sisters.
Henry's older sister Margaret kept the Monarchy going as it was her descendants that took over the crown when Elizabeth I died, King James VI of Scotland was her great-grandson and all future monarchs were his, thus Margaret's descendants.
This was extremely helpful in understanding the family relationships! I was always a bit confused how Lady Jane Gray and James VI of Scotland were related to the family. This cleared it up beautifully with lots of extra interesting details. Well done!
I just want to say thank you, Lindsay, for providing such well researched stories about many historical monarchs. I love learning about history, so I find your videos very fascinating. I have watched almost all of the videos in your Queens of Europe series (my favourite so far is likely Catherine the Great), as well as the founding mothers series, and I have really enjoyed your content. I hope you continue to make these great videos!
@@ChibiProwl Oh, I wasn’t even referring to weight. This was lesser directed at Henry, just some of their faces how they were painted look like they might’ve had some genetic issues.
Have you considered doing a video on the history of education? I love these videos if yours, have watched the series about child birth and pandemics countless times! What was taught, who was allowed to study, when were women allowed, when did education become regulated (meaning set levels of education like primary school or bachelors degree)
The symbol of Margaret Beaufort (Henry VII’s mother) was the white greyhound. Henry VIII also loved greyhounds. His favorite’s were named Cut and Ball. They’re wore ornate collars with their name and records show he paid huge rewards when they wandered off (which is easy for an unleashed greyhound running up to 40 mph to do).
I'm glad there's a video about these two incredibly strong but often overlooked Tudor women. Mary was my favourite though. She told her brother to suck it and married whom she wanted whether Henry approved or not. We stan an strong-willed Queen 100% here!!
I always refer to Mary as Duchess of Suffolk rather than the Queen of France. It respects the marriage she chose rather than the one she was forced into, even though it’s not entirely accurate as she was never termed the Duchess of Suffolk during her lifetime.
@@kate_cooper True, I just called her Mary Tudor. But in life she was known as The Dowager Queen of France because it's a higher title than Duchess of Suffolk.
I'm so mad that the The Tudors show mixed Margaret and Mary into one character instead of portraying both sisters. For god sakes, Margaret's life would have made a great story for a spin off show.
@@cinnow Key figures in determining the new kings. Example, George the first enthroned because of her grandmother Elizabeth Stuart being the King James's daughter...
@@zaraohara05 in that case Catherine Swynford is very significant. Mistress and third wife of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, the Tudors' claim to the throne is through the Beauforts who are her descendants. Other descendants are the Yorks and Nevilles. All significant players in the wars of the roses.
If we're naming important ladies, I'll offer my list: Empress Matilda (the Anarchy's important y'all) Eleanor of Aquitaine (both Richard the Lionheart & John relied on her) Isabella of France (can't have a Hundred Years War if you can't claim France) Margaret of Anjou (someone needs to prop up the wet stump that is Henry VI) Elizabeth Woodville (can't depose Richard III w/out an angry mum) Margaret Beaufort (b/c Elizabeth Woodville can't do it alone) There are countless more, but these are my Medieval 'greatest hits'
@@jeandehuit5385 Margaret Beaufort is Henry Tudor's mother. As a descendant of Edward III through John of Gaunt and Catherine Swynford, she's in effect the last Lancastrian after all the Lancastrian males die in the battle of Tewkesbury. She immediately sends her son to France for his safety. I don't see Elizabeth Woodeville contributing anything by way of bloodline. Only Philippa Gregory lionises this woman.
I wish the show The Tudors hadn’t mucked up the story of Henry’s sisters so badly. They eliminated one entirely, but gave Mary Margaret’s name. They had her marry an 80 year old Portuguese king instead of the 50 year old French king. They had her die before she and Brandon had children. So silly. Margaret’s story is fascinating and they just threw it out.
Lindsey I don't know what I'd do without your channel. The happiness I get these days from seeing a new video from you is unlike any other channel. Can you please cover some Ottoman queens (e.g. Hurrem Sultan & Kosem Sultan) & the women during the War of the Roses (Elizabeth Woodville, Elizabeth of York, Margaret Beaufort, Margaret of Anjou, Anne and Isabell Neville, Cecily Neville, etc) and first ladies like Eleanor Roosevelt next? Just some ideas!
Thank you! I started watching the Tudors in the summer by my dvd player broke! I'm going back to watching it on prime or Netflix! It had storyline in the First season about his sister, didn't know he had more than one, and she had rather brief but interesting life!!
It’s interesting that both margret and Mary’s granddaughters ( Mary Queen of scots and Jane grey) tried to usurp the English throne from Henry’s daughters
Lady Jane Grey, the Anglican, was the designated heir by her brother, King Edward VI, also an Anglican. Bloody Mary, the Catholic, usurped the throne from Lady Jane, the opposite of how you characterized it. Religion and its supporters, played the major role back then as to who was going to win.
@@hifinsword yeah no. Via Henry’s will Mary was in the line of succession after Edward. Edward and his advisors used Jane as a ploy. Mary had closer proximity to Edward and Henry 8. Jane was edward’s cousin but still with separation. She had no claim. She was a pawn and a usurper. She even knew she shouldn’t have been queen
@@extraterresrtial3086 also Jane’s mother, who was also bypassed by Jane, had a closer/better claim than Jane. All were women - including Elizabeth - in line
Lady Margaret Beaufort: While in the care of her brother-in-law Jasper Tudor, on 28 January 1457, the Countess gave birth to a son, Henry Tudor, at Pembroke Castle. She was thirteen years old at the time and not yet physically mature, so that the birth was extremely difficult.
I don't believe that Richard III had murdered his nephews. Henry VII has even more reason to kill them since his claim to the throne was on very shaky grounds.
You imply Richard III's claim wasn't *also* on very shaky grounds. He'd bastardized his nephews based on rather flimsy evidence; rebellions were already being staged in their name. Clearly some Yorkists did not believe his claims that they were illegitimate. So long as they were alive, his throne was not secure. The last time the boys were seen alive was August 1483, after which a rebellion that was supposed to be staged in their name *suddenly* becomes a rebellion to support Henry of Richmond (this later becomes known as Buckingham's rebellion). Why would Yorkists support the Lancastrian claimant if they truly believed Yorkist princes were alive? Why would the boy's mother, Elizabeth Woodville, ally with Margaret Beaufort of all ppl. if she believed her sons were still alive. Margaret's husband Lord Stanley doesn't get control of the Tower of London until October 1483, *after* Buckingham's rebellion, so he couldn't have done it, as the boys were already assumed to be dead. Margaret was rich, but she wasn't rich enough to bribe gaolers loyal to the king. If anyone killed the King's nephews on his property, under his *protection,* without his permission there would have been HELL to pay. Heck, Richard didn't blame anyone else for the crime even though doing so would greatly increase his reputation! He didn't even produce the boys alive once rumors circulated that they were dead. If they were still alive he could have brought them out (as Henry VII did Edward earl of Warwick), but he didn't. If Richard was willing to go through w/ usurpation, he probably wasn't opposed to murder. What avenue for life would the boys have had anyway after he declared them bastards? Richard didn't have to accept Parliament's offer of the crown (necessitating the breaking of his oath to protect his brother's children); he could have refused. But Richard believed he would have been painted as the villain either way (either for the incompetence of the boy king's reign, or for disposing of his nephews). He chose the one that would at least benefit him if it succeeded.
I understand that Beaufort made that part of the deal to be able to marry her, that he would give her (well, after the completely traumatic, I’m sure, consummation) time to grow up. There was nothing stopping him, of course, but it seems he held up his part of the deal. Fun fact, Margaret was Henry VII’s favorite child.
1st I don't think that Margaret believed that Richard II killed his nephews. This accusation first shown up well in the reign of Elizabeth I , long after those involved had died. In fact there are two men, at different times, who claimed to be one of nephews and tried to take the crown back. One even was able to raise an army and died in a battle attempting to gain the crown. 2nd Henry VIII's letter was not hypocritical, he at the time was still married to his first wife. It is not fair to judge people thoughts in a moment by things that happened after sometime after that moment. Also to not to take in to account some changes in circumstances of later time .
Henry VIII had other sisters as well that just died Young Children Arthur, Prince of Wales (20 September 1486 - 2 April 1502) Margaret, Queen of Scotland (28 November 1489 - 18 October 1541) Henry VIII, King of England (28 June 1491 - 28 January 1547) Elizabeth (2 July 1492 - 14 September 1495), buried in St Edward's Chapel, Westminster Abbey Mary, Queen of France (18 March 1496 - 25 June 1533) Edmund (1499 - 19 June 1500), buried in Westminster Abbey Catherine (born and died 1503), buried in Westminster Abbey
Just as a note. After reading several books on this era, especially around the death of the two princes there is no direct evidence that Richard killed Elizabeth Woodville's sons in the tower. There are a few suspects which includes Margaret Beaufort. At least several researchers cannot find evidence who the actual killer was. Margaret in the quest for her son own son Henry to be in the throne would have wanted Woodvilles 2 sons out of the way. she was known for her tactics, and playing both sides.
I’ve been reading about the noble family from my hometown of Ashby - the Hastings. They had quite an important role in the Tudor court. One of the Hastings girls was a favourite mistress to Henry viii and his friend baron Hastings, groom of the stool, was promoted to earl Huntingdon. In the time of queen Elizabeths reign the 3rd Earl Huntingdon, aka The Puritan Earl, had a claim to the throne due to his ancestor being Margaret Pole, daughter to the duke of Clarence whom was brother to the last Plantagenet king Richard iii. They were also rivals to the old Norman house of Grey, same family of the unfortunate lady Jane Grey. So for the quick history tidbits after that, the Hastings clan took a blow in the aftermath of the English civil war, had their castle slighted, lost their power after the Glorious Revolution, founded the 33rd regiment of foot later commanded and made famous by the Duke of Wellington, made a come back during the regency under an Irish Earl turned Marquis (who was an ensign in the battle of Bunker Hill and a governor in India) then lost their fortune in the late Victorian period to horse racing. That’s the short of it 😀
@@andrewhaywood3853 I’m not a descendant. Common as muck as my dad would say. I just have an amateur interest in local and obscure history. I haven’t lived in Ashby for years but I grew up there and read a lot about it’s former residents, some of it also stuck from what I learned at school and local hearsay.
Really entertaining -- I love that you focused on Henry VIII's sisters! The only moment that gave me pause was, at the end, when you said that Henry's "only son, Edward VI...." Henry actually had another son, an illegitimate one, Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Richmond & Somerset and Earl of Nottingham, who died at 17, in 1536 (leaving his father quite devastated). He may have had others but Henry Fitzroy was the one that most assumed he would "legitimize" as his heir. He had even considered marrying Fitzroy to his daughter, Mary. Henry's mother was Bessie Blount, Henry VIII's mistress, who was reportedly 17 at the time of his birth. She was his mistress whilst he was still married to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon. At 14, Fitzroy married Lady Mary Howard, daughter of Anne Boleyn's uncle. It was supposedly never consummated. Interestingly, Fitzroy managed to outlive Anne Boleyn.
My Aunt does House tours she's been asked by Americans why a 16th century Manor house was built on a flight path good to know there are intelligent Americans out there but I also hear finding Starbucks in Nottingham impressed Americans.
Great video! You really packed so much good information into it with so much passion and such a sweet voice. It's astounding how everything King Henry VIII touched (as far as people in his immediate family are concerned) ended up miserably. Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you, my friend!
Yes I still feel guilty for her death, I should have just declared Elizabeth my heir.. I mean I love my sister Mary and all but she went through a lot of trauma and was emotionally unstable to rule. Yes skipping her prolly wasn't the best choice to keep her mentally healthy but it was better for the subjects who would be murdered by her later on. Maybe..just maybe Elizabeth would have been able to stop Mary during that period.
James V married the French King's daughter Madeleine before marrying Mary of Guise. 1 January 1537 by marrying Madeleine of Valois, the king's daughter, in Notre Dame de Paris. Madeleine was very fragile in health and her father, the King Francois I at first refused to let her marry James V. However, after persistence on the part of James V and the fact both him and beautiful Madeleine were in love, Francois I relented. Madeleine was very beautiful, and James V fell in love with her the first time he saw her. Unfortunately, she died in July of 1537 only being Queen of Scotland for 7 months.
Actually...Within all this things, the crown itself followed the changed rule of succession of 2013. It finally made James I, the king of England, following Henry VII's 1st child, Margaret Tudors's heir to the throne.
Except the rule change doesn't affect previous generations. If it did the royal line would be impossible to figure out. How do you decide which king to start deriving absolute primogeniture? The first Anglo-Saxon king? The first Norman king? We don't know which of William the Conqueror's children was born the eldest, only that Robert Curthose was the eldest son. Of the surviving children who had surviving offspring, we don't know if Henry Beauclerc is older than his sister Adela or if Adela is older than Henry. Even if you backdated it as recently as Queen Victoria, the royal line would be Kaiser Wilhelm's descendants, as Willie's mother happened to be Queen Victoria's eldest child.
The only Tudor to have a happy love-life was Henry VII (at least until his wife died). Margaret Beaufort was married 4 times Margaret Tudor was married 3 times Henry VIII was married 6 times Mary Tudor was married twice (but the 1st one was a *real* clunker) Mary I was married to a man who didn't love her (although she loved him) Elizabeth I refused to be married Bonus points to Arthur & Ed for dying virgins; apparently poor Arthur bragged to his mates that 'having a wife is a good pastime' so that none of them knew he blew it in the bedroom. Then he died :(
@@LS-ei7xk He was 15, and would never admit to his friends he was a no-show. It's the same thing as the boast about 'having a wife is the best pastime.' Both were comments from a self-conscious boy desperate to hide his failure. It's quite sad, really
The portrait shown as Mary Tudor as a young woman is actually Isabella of Spain . It is in The National Gallery in London . Isabella was the mother of Catherine of Aragon ,first wife of Henry VIII .
When we think of the family of King Henry the 8th we only think of his brother, his wives, and his daughters. We tend to forget he wasn't an only child or that he had more than just one brother. I'm happy someone is discussing more than just his wives and daughters and telling their, his sisters, stories after being overlooked.
Those Tudors, particularly Margaret and Henry, were incredibly stubborn and tough-minded huh? I think that they may have gotten those traits from the Yorkist side of their family tree. Also, how the two sisters married for love is emblematic of their grandfather Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville (grandmother).
Henry preaching to his sister about the sanctity of marriage, meanwhile he had two divorces and beheaded two of his wives. The audacity.....lmao
He did that later. Lack of sons changed his mind
Believe it of not but Henry the Eighth was a feminist. A new age man, it was Henry who did all the housework and washing up in his marriages. He was often heard to complain to the court...I wish someone would invent a vacuum cleaner, this carpet is absolutely filthy
Men!
I feel like "the audacity" basically sums up Henry VIII as a whole ngl
He was in the process of divorce #1 at the time.
I swear they only had 25 names in this age. Mary, Henry, Anne, Charles, wash, rinse, repeat.
Don't forget elizabeth and Richard
And catherine
Still do with the Royals.
@@laurenhealy8907 And Jane. Also, it seems as if every third man was called Thomas. I wonder why no King Thomas!
Don’t forget James
It’s crazy how the Tudor Kings favoured sons as they were meant to pass on the legacy. But Henry VIII’s sister Margaret Tudor is the reason why we still have the Royal Family. Even Henry VIII’s daughter Mary and Elizabeth are remembered more than Edward VI. Truly daughters are powerful
Ovi lol
@Kelly Sanders ok but Edward ruled for 6 years still which is longer than Mary’s reign yet Mary’s legacy (Bloody Mary) still is remembered to this day - not that she did a good thing
That's cool and all but why do people forget that my reign was way better than Mary's and could have compared to Elizabeth if I lived slightly longer?
Common I deserve some credit for being the only child monarch of England other than Edward III who didn't screw up his reign
Move on its been years
@@edwardviofengland8048 .
Margaret Beaufort gave birth at 13. Her marriage at 12 was consummated immediately which even then was frowned upon. But her husband knew he was going away to war and might never return and he hoped for an heir to take his place, which is exactly what happened. He was killed without ever knowing his young wife was pregnant with a son. So when Princess Margaret was betrothed to the Scots king she stopped Margaret from being sent to Scotland until she was 14. She didn't want Margaret damaged the way she had been.
That's what I thought, too. I forget where I read it, though. Thanks.
The Scottish king supposedly replied to this worry by assuring his English in-laws-to-be that he was already much occupied with mistreses and would not bother Margarate for quite a while.
@@charlottekey8856 They still didn't send Margaret until she was 14.....and the Scottish king did indeed have plenty of time for her. Many kings promised not to meddle with underage brides but most broke that promise, except in households where the young bride would reside with her mother in law and other ladies who kept her separate from her groom until she was deemed old enough.
Yes, but I have read that James did assure them he was otherwise amorously occupied. Perhaps he put Margaret in the nursery with his mistresses' children for a few years.
@@charlottekey8856 He may have told them that but he had asked for her to be sent at age 12........after they had a proxy marriage and Henry Vlll was going to send her but his mother talked him out of it, and one person he listened to was his mother.
More irony here is Henry thought having a male heir was the only thing to save his families reign but it was made entirely of strong women
@Christopher Vergara As well from what I could tell by my speculations Henry was someone who was ruled by his sense of want, lust and ego. Which did not help any.
Although England never embraced Salic Law unless it favored them, inheritance through the female was always fraught with claims by other potential heirs.
@@elisedberaru4051 Very true, it’s annoying
The only person that sounded pleasant was James, who only consumated the marriage due to legal reasons and decided to wait until she was older. He then went on to give her a happy marriage until his death. He even left a will to make sure she and their son were taken care of in case of his death. What a loving and thoughtful man.
He was very susceptible to the influence of the Inquisition though, very paranoid about witches and any female of power
He also had tons of illegitimate children.
@@michellewheatley2007do you have the right James?
@@michellewheatley2007I think you're confusing James IV of Scotland with his great grandson, James VI of Scotland and I of England. The latter's queen was Anne of Denmark. Their daughter Elizabeth was the progenitor of the Hanover dynasty.
Elizabeth and Henry’s marriage was so strong and built of genuine affection that it’s almost ironic that their son saw women as nothing but playthings and a means to a son, although at least their daughters appeared to have had at least amicable marriages
I was thinking the same thing. Henry VII genuinely loved Elizabeth and was faithful to her their entire marriage (which is extraordinary for the time and his position) and gave their children as well adjusted a life that could be given during the his reign. And yet Henry VIII grew up to discard women like garbage on a whim, when in reality he was the real trash. Smh 🤦🏻♀️
Wasn't Henry VIII a decent husband for Katherine of Aragon for most of their marriage? For more than 20 years. But it's unfortunate how he turned out when he became desperate and then tyrannical.
@@lizg2153 Well he cheated on her throughout those 20 years, had his son (Henry FitzRoy), and apparently would undermine her in public
@@lizg2153 I think they had a decent marriage but I think the whole divorce thing and how he treated Mary kinda outweighs the good
@@areiaaphrodite I mean as far as medieval royal marriages go, especially Henry’s marriages, getting cheated on and being undermined in public by your husband seems like a pretty good deal. I’d let my husband cheat on me and bully me in public if he didn’t execute me, my children and my family and just left me alone. No doubt it was a horrible situation but frankly the other Catherine and Anna got the worse end of the stick. At least she was married to him while he was still young, handsome and not entirely mad
You know I respect James for backing off Margaret do to her young age
Well, to be fair He had around 5 illegitimate children that were conceived before and after His marriage to Margaret.. So He didnt wait out those 3 year's in a chaste manner
@@TheOnlyElle. lmao this is so funny
@@ilikeapples1824 lol I'm glad You see My sense of humour! :) I suppose, (for the time period) James did treat Margaret very well. A lot of Men would of kept "consummating" their marriages to child brides- consequences be damned! To be fair to Margaret, I believe She kept the younger "illegitimate" children in the royal nursery with Her own children, or at least made sure the "illegitimate" children were educated..which speaks volumes on Her character. Definitely a different time with a different view on life! :)
@@aleasyah3032 oh
@@TheOnlyElle. Marriages were not often consummated. Girls could be married young but usually it was agreed between the families that the girl had to be at least 14 to 16 when having sex. Still not ideal, however at least she ain't 9. Margaret Beaufort was considered too young even for her own time to be pregnant.
I feel Henry's sisters were so underrated and underappreciated in history, So glad this video was made!
Same, I was curiously about his sisters, they sure have damn interesting lives. Btw, I love history and a history nerd.
Right their bloodline carried till this day
@@nayannacoleman absolutely, indeed.
I agree!
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The OG Tudor sisters. The ones who's descendants would sit on the throne. I'm very surprised neither has had films made on them.
A film was made about Mary many years ago
Exactly! It's Margaret's descendants still sitting on the throne not Henry's
@@pedanticradiator1491 Interrsting I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me.
lady jane is a movie about mary's granddaughter, jane grey, being queen for 9 days. its from the 80s with helena bonham carter and one of my favorites.
@Christopher Reynolds also called The Sword and The Rose
Damn, I'm kinda shocked at how little I hear about Margaret - I'd say anyone who's life contains the incident "fired cannons at estranged husband" is worth remembering!
You'd have a laugh at James II, king of Scots, then.
He died at the height of his power, when he was killed by an exploding cannon. Not an *enemy* cannon, mind you, his own cannon.
This was around the time of the War of the Roses, BTW, so it left his widow Mary of Guelders in an awkward position. She actually ran a pretty solid regency for the children she had with James.
@@jeandehuit5385 You'd think after all the bad shit that happened to them they'd stop naming Scottish kings James!
@@Replicaate Well, James II was rather well-liked b/f he got his head blown off.
Plus his son had already been born & named James by this point in time, so James III is lock-in, as it were.
@@jeandehuit5385 yes it seems it was a cursed name for that family, the first king James was killed in a conspiracy by his own Stewart kin, this one with the cannon, another was killed during the course of a rebellion of his own son, another was killed in battle against the english and the last one exiled and ousted from the thrones of his kingdoms.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 Well, you could easy apply the 'curse' to other Scottish monarchs as well:
Alexander III: failed to provide an heir other than his 8 y/old granddaughter, who subsequently died.
John de Balliol: awarded the kingdom as rightful heir. Subsequently undermined by the English king & forced to abdicate.
David II: held captive in England & nearly forced to abdicate. Faces rebellion by his older half-nephew, & fails to father any heirs.
Robert II: becomes king at advanced age & so surrenders rule to his sons, the eldest of whom was already lame. His powerbase slowly crumbles & magnates act like kings.
Robert III: purportedly self-described as "the worst of kings and the most miserable of men" he also becomes king at advanced age (w/ a head injury to boot). His eldest son David is murdered, prob. by the king's brother, Albany. His younger son (the aforementioned James I) flees for his safety, only to be captured by the English.
Mary, queen of Scots: was raised in Catholic France w/ the expectation of a French marriage; is forced back to (now-Protestant) Scotland when her spouse prematurely dies. Lacking an heir, she must marry, but her choice ends up being the most repugnant of men imaginable. She ends up murdering him & as a consequence she loses her throne. Exiled to England, she ends up executed due to a plot she had very little involvement in.
Charles I: do we really need to go over it? I'm sure we're all familiar enough w/ the English Civil War...
As you can see, Scotland didn't produce very many 'successful' monarchs: David I, Robert the Bruce, James II, & James IV are the only clear standouts. Even James VI (who had the longest reign out of any of these ppl.) was purportedly the 'wisest fool in Christendom,' since despite his extensive Calvinist education he wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, believing himself smarter than he actually was.
While Scotland would have monarchs after James (I count up to Queen Anne), England had by that point effectively 'stolen' the monarchy; they stayed in England, spoke English, & looked almost exclusively after their English subjects. I don't think any monarch post-merging of the Crowns monarchs attempted governing Scotland at all, frankly.
As for curses, I don't put much stock in them; the problems faced by Scottish monarchs have more to do w/ Scotland being a very difficult land to govern effectively w/ the tools available at the time. It was poor, decentralized, & had a very niche (yet indispensable) position within European geopolitics, vis-à-vis England & France (see: the Ault Alliance), as well as various Scandinavian powers.
Just finished reading “Three Sisters Three Queens” it’s a book about Margaret, Mary, and Katherine of Aragon. So good
That's the one by Phillipa Gregory right? Also is the Spanish princess series loosely based on that?
You’re an actual nerd I am marry you I wish I was even smart enough to read those type of books and I’m in six grade ;-;
Awesome story!!
I also have just finished that book. Margaret comes off as a real twit.
Now I wanna read that
"Now free, Mary began to make plans for a marriage to a man of her own choosing. But her brother conveniently forgot his promise.'
*AND NOT A SINGLE SURPRISE WAS GIVEN.*
Margaret *wants a divorce*
Henry who just divorced and executed several of his wives: No you shouldn't do that it's immoral and wrong
Margaret asked for a divorce while Henry was still married to his first wife, so he wasn't a hypocrite yet.
Henry VIII : "You can't... only I can!"
Henry had brain worms.
Henry injured and became jerk as hell
“Henry VII did the UNTHINKABLE as a medieval king...he DIDN’T go to war!” Bruh 😂
How could he? He was busy changing domestic religion so he could divorce and then execute his wives as much as possible.
@@LS-dp2gs That was King Henry VIII, not the VII
I bet he would had liked it as much as any other monarch of the time but his own rebellion and the subsequent Yorkish attempts to recover the throne left the crown short of funds and with the dire need of consolidation of the power of his own family, some of the people executed under his son were just guilty of having a claim to the throne due having a close connection to the Plantagenets.
He became king by going to war
@@Oldie699 Right? And he was in the thick of it, not hanging back at a safe distance.
You left out a particularly adorable detail about Margret and James’s relationship. Shortly after they first met, James himself came to console Margret when a stable fire killed some of her favourite horses. Few royal husbands would have even cared, but James clearly cared for his wife
Scared of Henry 😀
Okay, but like Mary is so pretty..
She was - in fact, she was once casted in the role of 'Beauty' during a court pageant Henry hosted during Lent.
@@Lionstar16 well deserved, she is very beautiful Margaret is too.
And James IV of Scotland was so ugly
@@ElizaFromYesteryear i can’t disagree, but you never know (just trying to cut him slack even tho he was butt ugly.)
Yes, she was very beautiful even by the today’s standarts
Medieval times must've been like: Ok! These are the only names you can your children!
Boys Girls
Henry Catherine
Thomas Elizabeth
William Mary
Arthur Margaret
Charles Anne
Francis Jane
John Joan
George Isabel
Richard Eleanor
Royal and noble families were certainly like this - even to this day - but the lower classes used a greater variety of names.
What about Robert?
Basically, yeah. You forgot Edward.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 exactly!!! 😆👌🏻
which names would you like chuck buster troy!!
I'd never seen that painting before...the children crying for their mother.💔
it's in a book I think, an illuminated sxriqt.
Ì know it from a video. I think it was something like death in medieval times, no medicine. Something like that.
I have Claire ridgeway's has shown it on her channel here on UA-cam the Anne Boylne files and Tudor society
Henry to Margaret: Marriage is sacred. Don’t divorce.
Also Henry: I will divorce you Catherine.
"Go get my sister from France, and whatever you do, DON'T marry her."
immediately marries her
Henry VIII's sister in a nutshell
Margaret
Henry VII: I will predict that your marriage will finally unite Scotland and England
Margaret: Dad that will never happen you are just in depression
In the afterlife many years later
Margaret: Hello my great-grandson James what did you do for Scotland?
James I and VI: I united Scotland and England Great-grandma Margaret
Margaret: WHAT!?!?
Henry VII: I told you, Margaret
Mary
Henry VIII: I will marry my beautiful, favorite and if I had a daughter she will be named after her my dear sister Mary Tudor
Mary: Awww thanks bro where I'm goin-
Henry VIII: To marry the King of France who is in his 50s
Mary: WHAT HELL NAH
Henry VIII: Ok if he dies you can choose who to marry I promise
Mary: Yes
Not even a year later
Mary: Finally I will marry my true love The Duke of Sullfo-
Henry VIII: I'm sending you to marry another old man
Mary: YOU BROKE YOUR PROMISE
Henry VIII: And I sending my good friend the Duke of Suffolk to bring my sister back
Mary: No...Charles let's get marry
Charles: Ok...
Henry VIII: WHAT THE HELL oh yeah I made a promise but you need to pay
Mary: Ok fine
Henrys’ sisters were really beautiful, compared to their brother...
He was handsome as a young man
Henry was known to be quite handsome when he was young
That's what I'm like
@@pedanticradiator1491 handsome and athletic
Henry loved food too much and became obese
Henry was only fat!!! But by all accounts he was very good looking
I would actually love to see a video about Elizabeth Stuart, the only daughter of James the first and the mother of Sofia of Hanover whose line inherited the throne after the Stuart’s. She had a fascinating life.
She and her husband when they were king and queen of Bohemia for a year used to bathe naked in the river Vltava in Prague so I have read!
Or Margaret Beaufort
"She must've gotten over them KILLING her first husband." LINDSSAAAAYYYYY WITH THE READ OF THE YEAR. :D
There are so many comedy gold nuggets in this video lmao the one about Henry VII doing the unthinkable of not going to war is another.
Mary’s portrait is one of the few flattering portraits from this time period
Divorced, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, survived. About sums it up.
But just for you tonight we are divorced, beheaded,
live
Divorced
Then you would love Henry viii song
I like how Anne and her cousin were the only ones who were beheaded. Says something about the family.
@@areiaaphrodite It doesn't actually. Just because they happened to be related doesn't automatically make a correlation. Henry VIII should've just been less of a misogynistic power hungry religious hypocrite. I said what I said.
Margaret Tudor had a daughter with Archibald Douglas also named Margaret. (She would be the half sister of James V) Her son, Henry, Lord Darnley married Mary, Queen of Scots-they were both Margaret Tudor’s grandchildren. Their son became James VI of Scotland and James I of England. So all British monarchs since then, come through Margaret. Not Henry VIII nor Mary. Interesting!
Henry is the English Version of "Go to Gulag" to his wives.
😂😂😂😂
PERIODDDDDD
LMAO
Lol
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Just a couple of points:- 1: Richard III has never been proven to have killed his nephews. Whilst it might be likely, it cannot be stated as a fact. 2: James IV of Scotland cannot be called a British Monarch as England and Scotland were totally separate Countries at that time.
P.S. It is generally agreed that Margaret Beaufort was 13 when she gave birth to Henry, NOT 14.
Correct
Read Josephine Tey's excellent book for the strong argument that Richard III did not murder the boys.
Good points!
That is why she usually states “it’s LIKELY” he killed them.
But she did manage to fix that Margaret Beaufort mistake in another video.
@@thelanktheist2626she didn’t say it’s likely she said after he had them killed
Finally! We hear a lot about Henry the 8th, but not much about his sisters. Thank you for making this video :)
Margaret descendent!
Fun fact:
The first mention of the color orange was on a receipt of one of Margaret’s dresses
are u a margaret descendant?
Oh, how cool.
Yay I love history because of u ty now I’m Passing history class
"Violet powder" was orris root powder. Violets don't leave a scent that lingers, but orris root is a fixative, with a violet note. It was an extremely common base note for medieval scents, including deodorants.
ooo interesting
So interesting, thanks!
I never knew he had sisters! How did I not know that? It isn’t like their lives were boring! This whole family was nuts. Awesome video.
Hello 👋👋👋 nice to meet you
Henry was also close with his mother who he loved dearly and he was devastated when she died in 1503
What!Henry himself refused a divorce for his sister but he broke the church with England to divorce?
People keep forgetting he was married to Catherine of Aragon for 20 years. I think he did genuinely love her on some level. Trouble is... HE NEEDED A SON so, yeah, divorce for a younger woman so he could try again? Absolutely.
He indirectly indicating that women have no rights to divorce.
He was a narcissist. One rule for me, one for everyone else. Plus I think Margaret asked while he was still married to Katherine. She may have put the idea in his head
@@MsJubjubbird Yeah, the whole trouble with Margaret happened during Henry's good years w/ Katherine.
While I firmly believe Henry made himself believe what he needed to believe at any given moment, you have to remember that what Henry wanted was an *annulment,* not a divorce. An annulment was like the marriage never happened.
So any children produced by an annulled marriage were treated as if their parents had never been married, hence why Elizabeth I was called a bastard (legally that's what she was, as Henry annulled his marriage to Anne Boleyn b/f executing her. Even though Katherine Parr convinced Henry to include her & the future Mary I back into the line of succession, that didn't reverse the annulment).
Granted, you can get a certain kind of annulment wherein the children aren't seen as illegitimate (Eleanor of Aquitaine got one of these), they were rare & I don't think it was the kind that Henry VIII wanted.
I don't know if Margaret asked her brother to support an annulment or a divorce. If it was a divorce then it makes sense why he would be against it (since he considered himself a staunch Catholic his entire life, even after he stopped being a Papist).
Even if Margaret asked for an annulment he may have thought she didn't have a good enough reason. Henry had the 'excuse' that Katherine of Aragon had 'known' his brother, which he believe lent ecclesiastical support for his annulment. It didn't, but those were his reason. I don't think Margaret had any other than 'we don't love each other anymore & he's using my money.'
To be clear, I don't like Henry VIII very much, but he *did* try to rationalize his actions, even if said rationalizations only made sense to him.
Yep..what an a hole 🕳
my mum and step dad both have History degrees and one of their combined specialisms is Tudor history and my mum has her own specialism of women in history. Especially women that are lesser written about so that is one of the reasons why I love your channel and why I pointed my mum towards it as well.
Love English Norfolk feeling fine
@@christinecolgate7884 your comment makes no sense. And I am not from Norfolk.
Aw, thank you so much for making a video about the Tudor sisters. It’s odd learning more about them here than in a book or documentary. As someone else on this thread said, these two sisters are so underrated.
It’s good to hear about Henry’s sisters. They are often forgotten about. There are so many documentaries about Henry’s and his wives but this is the first thing Iv seen on the sisters.
Henry's older sister Margaret kept the Monarchy going as it was her descendants that took over the crown when Elizabeth I died, King James VI of Scotland was her great-grandson and all future monarchs were his, thus Margaret's descendants.
Sometimes I feel like someone put a curse on that entire family and anyone they encountered
Lol all started with Elizabeth Woodville
@@nayannacoleman LOL!
Called stupidity. Inbred relations so I can say that
they did
This was extremely helpful in understanding the family relationships! I was always a bit confused how Lady Jane Gray and James VI of Scotland were related to the family. This cleared it up beautifully with lots of extra interesting details. Well done!
I just want to say thank you, Lindsay, for providing such well researched stories about many historical monarchs. I love learning about history, so I find your videos very fascinating. I have watched almost all of the videos in your Queens of Europe series (my favourite so far is likely Catherine the Great), as well as the founding mothers series, and I have really enjoyed your content. I hope you continue to make these great videos!
Me: In Math class
UA-cam: Lindsay Holiday uploaded a new video
Me: yEs
Margaret is such an underrated Tudor, especially since all of Britain's monarchs are her descendants!
Thank you for this interesting documentary. I am a direct descendent of Margaret Tudor, and I enjoy your videos as they are very informative.
I know these were paintings, but all these kings looked...not healthy.
Yep. Henry 8 looked fat at 18, and James 4 looked anorexic.
@@ChibiProwl Oh, I wasn’t even referring to weight. This was lesser directed at Henry, just some of their faces how they were painted look like they might’ve had some genetic issues.
@@kiarimarie Well yes. Henry 8 was gorgeous compared to Charles II of Spain.
Inbreeding creates all kind of genetic issues that mainstream likes to keep hidden.
Lol infamous interbred Habsburg jaw you referring to?
Have you considered doing a video on the history of education? I love these videos if yours, have watched the series about child birth and pandemics countless times! What was taught, who was allowed to study, when were women allowed, when did education become regulated (meaning set levels of education like primary school or bachelors degree)
Good idea!
The symbol of Margaret Beaufort (Henry VII’s mother) was the white greyhound. Henry VIII also loved greyhounds. His favorite’s were named Cut and Ball. They’re wore ornate collars with their name and records show he paid huge rewards when they wandered off (which is easy for an unleashed greyhound running up to 40 mph to do).
I love pet dog names of that era, they were so funny
The author missed out the fact that James V was married TWICE, his first wife was Madeline of Valois who died then he remarried, to Mary of Guise...
With all due respect, and thank you for this video, the question of when or if the Princes in the Tower were killed, and by whom, is open to question.
I'm glad there's a video about these two incredibly strong but often overlooked Tudor women. Mary was my favourite though. She told her brother to suck it and married whom she wanted whether Henry approved or not. We stan an strong-willed Queen 100% here!!
I always refer to Mary as Duchess of Suffolk rather than the Queen of France. It respects the marriage she chose rather than the one she was forced into, even though it’s not entirely accurate as she was never termed the Duchess of Suffolk during her lifetime.
@@kate_cooper True, I just called her Mary Tudor. But in life she was known as The Dowager Queen of France because it's a higher title than Duchess of Suffolk.
Lindsay always swooping in with the entertaining videos when I need them most
This is the best explanation of the extended Tudor family I’ve ever seen. So clear. Thank you!
That illumination depicting the family of Elizabeth of York mourning her loss is so remarkable.
I'm so mad that the The Tudors show mixed Margaret and Mary into one character instead of portraying both sisters. For god sakes, Margaret's life would have made a great story for a spin off show.
Or A spin off title (...) The Stuarts.
Most important names of english family tree ,
Emma of Normandy
Catherine of Valois
Margaret Tudor
Elizabeth Stuart
...
Except Margaret Tudor how are they important?
@@cinnow Key figures in determining the new kings.
Example,
George the first enthroned because of her grandmother Elizabeth Stuart being the King James's daughter...
@@zaraohara05 in that case Catherine Swynford is very significant. Mistress and third wife of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, the Tudors' claim to the throne is through the Beauforts who are her descendants. Other descendants are the Yorks and Nevilles. All significant players in the wars of the roses.
If we're naming important ladies, I'll offer my list:
Empress Matilda (the Anarchy's important y'all)
Eleanor of Aquitaine (both Richard the Lionheart & John relied on her)
Isabella of France (can't have a Hundred Years War if you can't claim France)
Margaret of Anjou (someone needs to prop up the wet stump that is Henry VI)
Elizabeth Woodville (can't depose Richard III w/out an angry mum)
Margaret Beaufort (b/c Elizabeth Woodville can't do it alone)
There are countless more, but these are my Medieval 'greatest hits'
@@jeandehuit5385 Margaret Beaufort is Henry Tudor's mother. As a descendant of Edward III through John of Gaunt and Catherine Swynford, she's in effect the last Lancastrian after all the Lancastrian males die in the battle of Tewkesbury. She immediately sends her son to France for his safety. I don't see Elizabeth Woodeville contributing anything by way of bloodline. Only Philippa Gregory lionises this woman.
I’d like to learn more about the African twin sisters who accompanied Margaret 🥺💓
What African twin sisters???
@@veronicamcniff9500 7:40
I wish the show The Tudors hadn’t mucked up the story of Henry’s sisters so badly. They eliminated one entirely, but gave Mary Margaret’s name. They had her marry an 80 year old Portuguese king instead of the 50 year old French king. They had her die before she and Brandon had children. So silly. Margaret’s story is fascinating and they just threw it out.
It's 2am now in Malaysia, I was about to go to sleep. Then I saw your video just got uploaded, guess of not getting sleep tonight
17.35pm in Great Britain 🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@kanyebreast6072 now it’s 18:07
@@graceesmi now 9
vid ni recommended kt aku pukul 1am..
Lindsey I don't know what I'd do without your channel. The happiness I get these days from seeing a new video from you is unlike any other channel. Can you please cover some Ottoman queens (e.g. Hurrem Sultan & Kosem Sultan) & the women during the War of the Roses (Elizabeth Woodville, Elizabeth of York, Margaret Beaufort, Margaret of Anjou, Anne and Isabell Neville, Cecily Neville, etc) and first ladies like Eleanor Roosevelt next? Just some ideas!
Margaret Tudor: 4:42
Mary Tudor: 17:03
I can't wait, thanks for the upload!
Those are my aunts!Please do a video that fully talks about Matilda I of England!
Hi Mary! It’s been a while!
Catherine of Aragon omg it's Queen Catherine and Queen Marry :0
I believe the Queens of England video includes her. :)
Oh hey Mary. What's good? Still executing heretics? You're looking great btw.
@@ianbat7092It has been a while, huh? Like 600 years!
Thank you! I started watching the Tudors in the summer by my dvd player broke! I'm going back to watching it on prime or Netflix! It had storyline in the First season about his sister, didn't know he had more than one, and she had rather brief but interesting life!!
It’s interesting that both margret and Mary’s granddaughters ( Mary Queen of scots and Jane grey) tried to usurp the English throne from Henry’s daughters
Lady Jane Grey, the Anglican, was the designated heir by her brother, King Edward VI, also an Anglican. Bloody Mary, the Catholic, usurped the throne from Lady Jane, the opposite of how you characterized it. Religion and its supporters, played the major role back then as to who was going to win.
@@hifinsword yeah no. Via Henry’s will Mary was in the line of succession after Edward. Edward and his advisors used Jane as a ploy. Mary had closer proximity to Edward and Henry 8. Jane was edward’s cousin but still with separation. She had no claim. She was a pawn and a usurper. She even knew she shouldn’t have been queen
@@extraterresrtial3086 also Jane’s mother, who was also bypassed by Jane, had a closer/better claim than Jane. All were women - including Elizabeth - in line
@@hifinsword Lady Jane Grey was a pawn. She really didn't want to be queen. She just wanted to be left alone.
Henry’s sister Margaret definitely had the last laugh.
These videos so brighten up my day! Love the way you make history so intriguing and entertaining ❤️
Lady Margaret Beaufort: While in the care of her brother-in-law Jasper Tudor, on 28 January 1457, the Countess gave birth to a son, Henry Tudor, at Pembroke Castle. She was thirteen years old at the time and not yet physically mature, so that the birth was extremely difficult.
I don't believe that Richard III had murdered his nephews. Henry VII has even more reason to kill them since his claim to the throne was on very shaky grounds.
@@aleasyah3032 ahhh but did you not consider that his mother was in England, and was obsessive that her son from his birth was heir 🤔😀
You imply Richard III's claim wasn't *also* on very shaky grounds. He'd bastardized his nephews based on rather flimsy evidence; rebellions were already being staged in their name. Clearly some Yorkists did not believe his claims that they were illegitimate.
So long as they were alive, his throne was not secure.
The last time the boys were seen alive was August 1483, after which a rebellion that was supposed to be staged in their name *suddenly* becomes a rebellion to support Henry of Richmond (this later becomes known as Buckingham's rebellion).
Why would Yorkists support the Lancastrian claimant if they truly believed Yorkist princes were alive? Why would the boy's mother, Elizabeth Woodville, ally with Margaret Beaufort of all ppl. if she believed her sons were still alive.
Margaret's husband Lord Stanley doesn't get control of the Tower of London until October 1483, *after* Buckingham's rebellion, so he couldn't have done it, as the boys were already assumed to be dead. Margaret was rich, but she wasn't rich enough to bribe gaolers loyal to the king. If anyone killed the King's nephews on his property, under his *protection,* without his permission there would have been HELL to pay.
Heck, Richard didn't blame anyone else for the crime even though doing so would greatly increase his reputation! He didn't even produce the boys alive once rumors circulated that they were dead. If they were still alive he could have brought them out (as Henry VII did Edward earl of Warwick), but he didn't.
If Richard was willing to go through w/ usurpation, he probably wasn't opposed to murder. What avenue for life would the boys have had anyway after he declared them bastards? Richard didn't have to accept Parliament's offer of the crown (necessitating the breaking of his oath to protect his brother's children); he could have refused.
But Richard believed he would have been painted as the villain either way (either for the incompetence of the boy king's reign, or for disposing of his nephews). He chose the one that would at least benefit him if it succeeded.
Henry Tudor was no stranger to killing Plantagenet males. Edward Clarence, anyone?
I understand that Beaufort made that part of the deal to be able to marry her, that he would give her (well, after the completely traumatic, I’m sure, consummation) time to grow up. There was nothing stopping him, of course, but it seems he held up his part of the deal.
Fun fact, Margaret was Henry VII’s favorite child.
Thanks!
I think a talk about Henry’s nieces and nephews would be cool
So, James V, Margaret Douglas, Frances Brandon & Eleanor Brandon?
I think these are the only ones who lived to adulthood.
1st I don't think that Margaret believed that Richard II killed his nephews. This accusation first shown up well in the reign of Elizabeth I , long after those involved had died. In fact there are two men, at different times, who claimed to be one of nephews and tried to take the crown back. One even was able to raise an army and died in a battle attempting to gain the crown.
2nd Henry VIII's letter was not hypocritical, he at the time was still married to his first wife.
It is not fair to judge people thoughts in a moment by things that happened after sometime after that moment. Also to not to take in to account some changes in circumstances of later time .
Yes Lindsay! I was so excited for you to post another video! :)
Henry VIII had other sisters as well that just died Young
Children
Arthur, Prince of Wales (20 September 1486 - 2 April 1502)
Margaret, Queen of Scotland (28 November 1489 - 18 October 1541)
Henry VIII, King of England (28 June 1491 - 28 January 1547)
Elizabeth (2 July 1492 - 14 September 1495), buried in St Edward's Chapel, Westminster Abbey
Mary, Queen of France (18 March 1496 - 25 June 1533)
Edmund (1499 - 19 June 1500), buried in Westminster Abbey
Catherine (born and died 1503), buried in Westminster Abbey
She discusses this at 3:11.
Sorry
Just as a note. After reading several books on this era, especially around the death of the two princes there is no direct evidence that Richard killed Elizabeth Woodville's sons in the tower. There are a few suspects which includes Margaret Beaufort. At least several researchers cannot find evidence who the actual killer was. Margaret in the quest for her son own son Henry to be in the throne would have wanted Woodvilles 2 sons out of the way. she was known for her tactics, and playing both sides.
I’ve been reading about the noble family from my hometown of Ashby - the Hastings. They had quite an important role in the Tudor court. One of the Hastings girls was a favourite mistress to Henry viii and his friend baron Hastings, groom of the stool, was promoted to earl Huntingdon. In the time of queen Elizabeths reign the 3rd Earl Huntingdon, aka The Puritan Earl, had a claim to the throne due to his ancestor being Margaret Pole, daughter to the duke of Clarence whom was brother to the last Plantagenet king Richard iii. They were also rivals to the old Norman house of Grey, same family of the unfortunate lady Jane Grey.
So for the quick history tidbits after that, the Hastings clan took a blow in the aftermath of the English civil war, had their castle slighted, lost their power after the Glorious Revolution, founded the 33rd regiment of foot later commanded and made famous by the Duke of Wellington, made a come back during the regency under an Irish Earl turned Marquis (who was an ensign in the battle of Bunker Hill and a governor in India) then lost their fortune in the late Victorian period to horse racing. That’s the short of it 😀
Interesting! "How the mighty have fallen...". But it's nice that you know so much about them.
I’m a descendant of that family. Are you a descendant too or just interested in them because you’re from Ashby de la Zouche?
@@andrewhaywood3853 I’m not a descendant. Common as muck as my dad would say. I just have an amateur interest in local and obscure history. I haven’t lived in Ashby for years but I grew up there and read a lot about it’s former residents, some of it also stuck from what I learned at school and local hearsay.
Really entertaining -- I love that you focused on Henry VIII's sisters! The only moment that gave me pause was, at the end, when you said that Henry's "only son, Edward VI...." Henry actually had another son, an illegitimate one, Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Richmond & Somerset and Earl of Nottingham, who died at 17, in 1536 (leaving his father quite devastated). He may have had others but Henry Fitzroy was the one that most assumed he would "legitimize" as his heir. He had even considered marrying Fitzroy to his daughter, Mary. Henry's mother was Bessie Blount, Henry VIII's mistress, who was reportedly 17 at the time of his birth. She was his mistress whilst he was still married to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon. At 14, Fitzroy married Lady Mary Howard, daughter of Anne Boleyn's uncle. It was supposedly never consummated. Interestingly, Fitzroy managed to outlive Anne Boleyn.
Such an underrated channel. Thanks so much for the awesome content Lindsay!
I impressed a British friend of mine for knowing more than him about the British royal family. (I’m American)
Lol same
@@Jack-yf9bc as an aspiring politician, it’s best to know about others countries histories.
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@@ilikeapples1824 to my status or my comment?
My Aunt does House tours she's been asked by Americans why a 16th century Manor house was built on a flight path good to know there are intelligent Americans out there but I also hear finding Starbucks in Nottingham impressed Americans.
Omg yas. I've always wondered about his sisters but it's not often covered. Thanks, great channel
If its henry 8 then we all clicking❤
Great video! You really packed so much good information into it with so much passion and such a sweet voice. It's astounding how everything King Henry VIII touched (as far as people in his immediate family are concerned) ended up miserably. Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you, my friend!
King Henry did not skip to Lady Jane Grey. He was dead his son King Edward skipped to her on his deathbed
Yes, that's exactly what the video said. Listen carefully.
Yes I still feel guilty for her death, I should have just declared Elizabeth my heir..
I mean I love my sister Mary and all but she went through a lot of trauma and was emotionally unstable to rule. Yes skipping her prolly wasn't the best choice to keep her mentally healthy but it was better for the subjects who would be murdered by her later on.
Maybe..just maybe Elizabeth would have been able to stop Mary during that period.
James V married the French King's daughter Madeleine before marrying Mary of Guise. 1 January 1537 by marrying Madeleine of Valois, the king's daughter, in Notre Dame de Paris. Madeleine was very fragile in health and her father, the King Francois I at first refused to let her marry James V. However, after persistence on the part of James V and the fact both him and beautiful Madeleine were in love, Francois I relented. Madeleine was very beautiful, and James V fell in love with her the first time he saw her. Unfortunately, she died in July of 1537 only being Queen of Scotland for 7 months.
Actually...Within all this things, the crown itself followed the changed rule of succession of 2013. It finally made James I, the king of England, following Henry VII's 1st child, Margaret Tudors's heir to the throne.
Except the rule change doesn't affect previous generations.
If it did the royal line would be impossible to figure out. How do you decide which king to start deriving absolute primogeniture? The first Anglo-Saxon king? The first Norman king?
We don't know which of William the Conqueror's children was born the eldest, only that Robert Curthose was the eldest son. Of the surviving children who had surviving offspring, we don't know if Henry Beauclerc is older than his sister Adela or if Adela is older than Henry.
Even if you backdated it as recently as Queen Victoria, the royal line would be Kaiser Wilhelm's descendants, as Willie's mother happened to be Queen Victoria's eldest child.
@@jeandehuit5385 bro I just showed my pov, if that rule was valid at that time, then "James I" would be the king and that happened also that's it.
Except the Windsors are not Elizabeth Stuart's most senior descendants.
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Margaret and Henry 8 have so much in common in their love life, they did everything to get a divorce.
The only Tudor to have a happy love-life was Henry VII (at least until his wife died).
Margaret Beaufort was married 4 times
Margaret Tudor was married 3 times
Henry VIII was married 6 times
Mary Tudor was married twice (but the 1st one was a *real* clunker)
Mary I was married to a man who didn't love her (although she loved him)
Elizabeth I refused to be married
Bonus points to Arthur & Ed for dying virgins; apparently poor Arthur bragged to his mates that 'having a wife is a good pastime' so that none of them knew he blew it in the bedroom. Then he died :(
@@jeandehuit5385 What about that line that he "spent the night in Spain?" So that no one knows if he was a virgin.
@@LS-ei7xk He was 15, and would never admit to his friends he was a no-show. It's the same thing as the boast about 'having a wife is the best pastime.'
Both were comments from a self-conscious boy desperate to hide his failure. It's quite sad, really
The portrait shown as Mary Tudor as a young woman is actually Isabella of Spain . It is in The National Gallery in London . Isabella was the mother of Catherine of Aragon ,first wife of Henry VIII .
Good for you! And I caught the typos...
Queen Margaret had the knack of picking Mr.Wrong.
Lindsay Holiday I just wanted to say thank you for doing these history videos because even if I'm a kid I absolutely love history
Thank you Lindsay!💕
When we think of the family of King Henry the 8th we only think of his brother, his wives, and his daughters. We tend to forget he wasn't an only child or that he had more than just one brother. I'm happy someone is discussing more than just his wives and daughters and telling their, his sisters, stories after being overlooked.
Which is crazy seeing all monarchs since james 1 came from. Margaret's line.
Those Tudors, particularly Margaret and Henry, were incredibly stubborn and tough-minded huh? I think that they may have gotten those traits from the Yorkist side of their family tree. Also, how the two sisters married for love is emblematic of their grandfather Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville (grandmother).
One of my ancestors is mentioned in Margaret’s Official State papers in Scotland.
That's cool
Yay I was so excited when I saw this!!!
Margaret, Thomas, James, Henry, Edward, Jane, Mary, and Elizabeth
I live in Harrisburg PA, near the cities of York and Lancaster, PA. Yes I want a cookie 🙃 Thanks for this video Lindsay💖
I’d give you one if I lived up there, cause that’s one HELL of a coincidence.
I live in Redlion I can give you a cookie!!
@@actualitychicken4738 😝
@@ChibiProwl wish you lived here then lol