The scene from Spiderman 2 where after saving the train and the passengers aboard realize that Spiderman is just a kid, and unanimously decide to not reveal his secret identity to the world is one of the best scenes in any film, not just a superhero film.
Spider-Man can’t be Spider-Man in the MCU. He will always be treated like a sidekick because the idea of a starry eyed kid with the Avengers is a more profitable idea. He’s Spider-Teen.
@@MrChristo93 Peter Parker lost all the charm by making him the unofficial adopted son of a billionaire. The glasses? Another suit with Stark tech? What have you done to Spider-Man, MCU?
@L///D/P/R/Z Its gonna be the same thing in NWH too, in the beginning he is gonna be a lil bish and not know what to do and then dr strange, tobey & Andrew are gonna show up to daddy him
@@MrChristo93 Is that any different than him fighting other people’s villains in the comics or how in Spectacular Spider-Man most of his villains hated Norman Osborn before Spidey stopped them
Yea after seeing the new movie I’m glad they went the direction they did with the “Avengers Spider-Man” and now that that has come to an end and he can become the more comic accurate Spider-Man. They did this new movie great
People: wE dOn'T nEeD tO sEe UnClE bEn AgAiN wE'vE aLrEaDy SeEn HiM dYiNg ToO mAnY tImEs Marvel: *turns Peter into a teenager and makes him go to high school again*
@@Jusjord4n-64 they don’t have to show his origin again. The big issue is that they haven’t even MENTIONED Uncle Ben - the most crucial character in Peter becoming Spider-Man.
For me it's how Disney erased Peter's working class background - his class struggles pretty much shape him as a character, from how he tries to provide for his aunt and himself and how he relates to his community MCU Spider-Man is now an heir to a billionaire's tech company, and even before that he seemed pretty well-off, in Far from Home the issues Tony's workers faced weren't really addressed at the end Disney's always been pretty bad at dealing with class issues tbh
He is not an heir to his tech at all, all Tony gave him was the glasses, he doesn’t get any other money, as you can see in FFH, May and Peter are still living in a small apartment, not a big mansion and in the extended scene you see he sells his toys to get a gift for MJ. I think that’s the problem I have when people critique the new SM movies is because they blow up things like a final gift from Tony Stark into being more than it is.
@@charlestaylorco8713 Those glasses are awful because they’re stylized as Iron Man’s and not Spidey. Also every movie that Spider-Man is in, there is *always* some big expensive gift or upgrade from Mr Stark. It is a big deal. Spider-Man is his own and Holland’s doesn’t feel that way. He uses Stark tech on his own suit and wears things similar to Tony. We get it. He’s Tony’s pupil now let him be SPIDER-MAN.
If he was poor, his relationship with the first villain would be more impactful, a guy who's mad at the riches and who had to strugle with the loss of his and other people jobs This would be perfect for Spidey And at the end he just put the guy in jail, the problem wasn't resolved, heroes are still a fuck up
Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man was grounded. Psychological. Peter Parker was challenged. But this one is just a side kick who is constantly bailed out of problems.
@isaacthegoat1432 really? Because how I remember it is he then decides yet again that they can't be together. Which would've been a fine ending to that bad "romance" arc. But then he wins her over anyway in the worst way possible(her cheating on her fiance with him), ultimately, both characters learned nothing.
@isaacthegoat1432 Peter telling MJ they can't be together(again) means he had to re-learn that he can't be with her. Being with spiderman will hurt the other more than it would if they weren't with him. To protect the one he loves he can't get what he wants in the end. He has the power to do it but it is his responsibility to make sure that he is doing the right thing. If you think about it, that's the same lesson he learned in the end of the first movie but they butchered it in 2 by having MJ be like, "I don't care I will do whatever it takes." Which is a contradiction because she ends up getting jealous of Peter for being Spiderman in 3.
That's exactly how I feel. Tom Holland has the potential to be the perfect Spider-Man, but what keeps him from that is horrible writers that don't understand the character.
@@Rotodojo-yf9sq it's not the writers problem it's actually the mcu isn't giving freedom to make spiderman because if that happens then spiderman would become better than avengers
@@IamNKSyo while I do agree that the writers definitely lack freedom due to the restriction of having to fit in this narrow cinematic universe Tom Holland's material isn't really that great either. He's supposed to be 15/16 but oftentimes acts/sounds more immature & childish than the 13 year old cast in Harry Potter 3, like he's forced to play a caricature of what Disney/Hollywood thinks 16 year olds sound like.
the thing that frustrates me the most about this spider-man is that the villains he's faced so far have more beef and history with tony stark than they do with him. It completely takes away the aspect that makes so much spider-man villains so interesting; their relation to peter parker.
I do understand your point about the Tony stark villains and respect it, I personally see it differently With the vulture, although Tony is the reason he loses his job, toomes never really hates stark and doesn’t really want anything to do with him, he uses stark and his wealth as an excuse to justify selling weapons in a sorta “where’s mine” behaviour, he is clearly living comfortably in a huge house in New York but because others are wealthier than him in general he vilifies them so that he is in the right in his own mind With mysterio, he’s definitely a villain because of stark but I also feel he’s similar in the way that he is spiteful against the world for idolising superheroes and not him, I definitely think that his team shouldn’t of also been stark employees though because that bar scene is what ties him so close to stark
It’s comments like this that show me that you don’t understand Spider-Man nor the comics, the villains in the comics don’t start off beefing with Spider-Man, they end up beefing with him because spidey is the only one around TO stop them. It’s the same thing with MCU spidey, only difference is that this is the first time spidey is in movies with other heroes so they try to show that. Mysterio being a former stark employee was a great twist and while he does hate tony he also definitely hates Spider-Man and wants to kill him.
I thought the Garfield movies were a bit of a disaster. They are masterpieces compared to the MCU Spiderman. He is just so pathetic and annoying in this iteration.
@@KalakeikoThor , Hulk , Vision , Loki , Ultron , Baron Zemo , Quick Silver , Scarlet Witch , Mysterio , Mandarin (twice) etc. All of these characters MCU got horribly wrong . All of them are just downgraded versions from the comics .
@@DiegoXRA and you left out Russian iron man or whiplash (not the same character), Maria hill, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Bruce Banner, Melekith, Ancient One, Hela, Frost Giants, Iron-Boy sorry Spider-Man and last but not least Drax the destroyer.
What do you expect from the company who tried to make the big bads end goal seem justified after a dozen plus entries showing how much of an evil piece of shit the dude is?
Hulk,Thor,İronman,Loki,Hawkeye,Antman,Guardians of the Galaxy and Thanos deffinetly improved from writers not understanding their comic counterparts. Mcu Spiderman is basically Miles Morales. Just White.
@Owenboy360 insult? I didn't unsulted anybody, I just said the truth. And the fact that you are so triggered about it proves that it's anything but untrue or overused.
Old Spider-Man was a lone wolf, he managed his own hardships, he was miserable, poor, and we could see him crying in every movie but MCU didn't understood this, MCU only saw it as profit, now the iron man fans are supporting new Spider-Man because they are MCU fans not Spider-Man fans, old one stood up after falling, no one was supporting at his back. And I don't think MCU is gonna improve it, they made it less emotional and more comical. I mean the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series was quite better than it because there Spider-Man was the leader of the defenders. Hope you got it.
Seriously, did you watch the old movies, In SM2 & 3 Peter quits being Spider-Man and doesn't become Spidey again until he gets encouragement from Aunt May, also Peter doesn't get support from Tony, he actively gets held back by Tony when all he is doing is trying to help, he doesn't get it right until he does it himself, how do you take away that Peter can't do anything without Tony from that.
@@SiddharthShenoy he was given 2 suit from tony that gives him all the different webs he could ever have and giant arms he was given glasses that gives him control of a god damn A satellite
This is the main thing wrong with this: he’s given everything. Also, this Spider-Man doesn’t have his own villains or anything…. If you replaced Spider-Man with Ironman in this film, it would be an Ironman movie. These films are like Spidey was dropped into an Ironman film, where everything that happened connects to Ironman and the avengers, rather than connecting directly to him and his mistakes. If Norman Osborn existed in this universe, he would have never met Peter before their fight, and would have just been a competitor to Stark industries who hated Tony stark. Its like a Spider-Man who was dropped into an Ironman film.
I'll rather say they took the criticism and made a story that is undeniably... A spiderman story.. A Peter Parker story. Even the hidden meanings were great. Green Goblin was the first spiderman villain in the live action and he was shown at last and had the most important role along with Dr. Octavius. We saw toms spiderman starting a new with his own tailored suit and becoming the friendly neighborhood spiderman wr always knew
Completely agreed! Spiderman was always my favorite superhero, and I grew up on that animated show. The Sam Raimi Spiderman movies were also my first exposure to superhero movies and I loved them. I actually really like Andrew Garfield's Spiderman, because like you said he's still the same character, they just changed Peter to more what the "modern HS loser" archetype looks like. Miles Morales, too, is an excellent Spiderman. But yeah Tom Holland (good actor, not his fault) isn't like that. And I guess I enjoyed his movies but they weren't the same. In other words, Garfield's and Maguire's Spidermen, as well as Miles Morales, are truly stars in their own Spidermen movies. Holland's Spiderman is a character in an Avengers movie that just happens to be about him. They also forget the most important thing about Spiderman: He is, truly, your friendly neighborhood Spiderman. He isn't the guy who travels around the world waving humanity. He doesn't have that luxury - he is the guy who is responsible for keeping NYC safe. Something goes down in NYC, and he's there. Because he's all about his family, his friends (such as they are), and his community.
This has been my biggest complaint for years with Tom Holland Spiderman. The dude has everything handed to him. And we know that he can do shit for himself. Spiderman is capable of fighting off the Avengers by himself. Tom's Spiderman lets Tony Stark do everything for him.
@@zulkifli4201 How so? All of his connections are gone now and he's all alone with no one to rely on, which seems to be the main complaint some people have about the MCU Spider-Man.
@@Kalakeiko yeah and the progress to make he reach that point is so stupid Plus No Way Home is just a fanservice movie, so the value is low at best I rather rewatch TASM or SM2 than that crap
Seeing that scene in the ads, I freaked right out. Like a crackhead with an 80lb rock in front of them. My girlfriend and her mom tried to calm me down, but I was too damn exited. "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THEY FINALLY GOT HIM RIGHT!!!!!" That scene still gives me goosebumps. "Put the mask on. It'll make you strong!"
Those movies were terrible! Y’all only hate Tom Holland because y’all can’t accept the difference between a stand alone Spider-Man and a Spider-Man in the MCU. Andrew was a good Spider-Man but the movies themself and his portrayal of Peter Parker is just terrible.
@@brandonmarrero3949 bro learn to read first, did I say I hate tom holland? Have I used the phrase "I hate tom holland"? No. I actually really like all actors who have portrayed spiderman. Its just that I love that scene among others. That's all. Where did the comparison between Actors even come from? Oh yeah low IQ NPCs like you bring that comparison in unnecessarily
Something always felt off with the MCU Spider-Man. It's like, I know I'm looking at Spider-Man, but it feels like there's nothing inside. His supporting cast is almost nonexistent or has been changed to the point of being unrecognizable. He no longer has his own stories to tell, it's just swept up into the larger MCU. His daily struggles are gone, his "friendly neighborhood" status is gone. These are not Tom Holland's flaws, but man, it's like eating off-brand cereal.
@kalakeiko6933 omg, get over it. No Way Home is only good because Tobey and Andrew are there. If it was just Tom, it wouldn't be good enough for a lot of people. Tobey and Andrew were solo from the start, they didn't have anyone to help them. And when they did, those people turned into villains. Tom gets everything handed to him like someone already said. He's not content with just helping ordinary people, he's always seeking a bigger mission. Tobey and Andrew's spidermen didn't have a choice. They were humble to the point they felt they need to give up what they wanted in order to protect people with their gift. Tom acts spoiled and annoying. No Way Home is great, but too little too late. Just because they fixed his character in the end doesn't erase how bad it was the first two movies, not counting his appearances in the Avengers movies.
@@bluewolf2708 Why are you so pressed? I just asked what they think of No Way Home after they've fixed the issues they have with the MCU version of Spider-Man. All three versions of Spider-Man and Peter Parker are good in their own way, just different, especially since Tobey and Andrew's versions aren't linked to other heroes and the MCU while Tom's is.
No Way Home is a reboot of Tom’s story and nostalgia bait yet some people are acting like it was the intended arc for Tom’s Spider-Man 💀 He’s a moron that brought 5 supervillains into his apartment which ended up in disaster (wow who knew?!) and needed the Raimi trilogy’s villains to fix his arc. Just terrible
Not a moron but someome who just santed to give them a second chance however he wasn't aware of Goblin and his betrayal, he realised to late bit tgen Tibry and Andrew heloed him and guided him, you are just a hater like most of the rest are lol
Spiderboy. He even has a young Aunt May, wtf? And a diversity quota Mary Jane. You can have one or the other and still be okay, but both in the same timeline? What the hell man...
@Anastasia's Secret I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with him or disagreeing. But if you’re acting like Zendaya is a good MJ…… ….No, just no. “Half white” doesn’t mean anything. Mary Jane Watson is a redhead. She is white. Zendaya may be half white but she’s not a redhead and she’s still not fully white. And it was just for diversity brownie points, there’s no way anyone thought she was perfect to play MJ, the character is nothing like the comics and the same can be said for the actress. They went so far as to make MJ her nickname when her name isn’t even Mary Jane, it’s a bunch of bs. Zendaya is not Mary Jane Watson and is just another case if ginger discrimination, another ginger being black washed. There are actual black women in the comics ya know, the comics aren’t just full of white people. I hope the MCU doesn’t do the X-men because they’re just going to do this to Jean Grey too, I just know it.
@Anastasia's Secret You’re an idiot. She very clearly took on more black genetics than white. Stop supporting the idea of race swapping characters, it is literally more racist than keeping white characters as white. There are diverse characters in the comics so they should be used as opposed to using the name and popularity of a white character and changing their race to promote diversity. People of different races and ethnicities are treated as if characters like them cannot work on their own and need the popularity of white characters to work, and that is 100% false and extremely racist. You are supporting racism when you think you’re supporting diversity, you are adding to the problem. Also Mary Jane Watson was fully white in the comics so it is race swapping.
I feel as though No way Home could fix these issues. The spell used by Dr. Strange could cut him off from the stark fund as they would forget him. It could be the set up of him having to start over without the support of the avengers.
I'm really hoping that by the end of the movie, Peter decides to fully commit to the spell and let's everyone forget that he's Spider-Man. This would allow him to finally stand on his own.
@@israalal-sulaimani7537 I see why some people do not feel like the mcu spidey is well.. spidey but me personally I feel like he is great and is very similar to the cartoony side of spider man in this bigger universe of heros and he also has that spider man charm so he is my personal favorite spider man for that
But Spider-Man has always been a kid!!! Look at ultimate Spider-Man and the spectacular Spider-Man. They are kids and yet have been relatable and loved by fans. The mcu Spider-Man fans don’t get it because they are just a bunch of newbies who got introduced to the character by the mcu Spidey films; films that have no clue who or what Spider-Man is. These newbies are just bunch of retarded children.
@@voiceacticon667 no not true!! he doesn't stay in high school forever and you literally just named TV shows and not comics knowing darn well that there are way more comics where he's an adult vs him as a kid.
@@israalal-sulaimani7537 that is not what I am saying!!! Not all shows or games have him as a kid. Ultimate Spider-Man and spectacular Spider-Man has him as a kid. Spider-Man tas and Spider-Man games, he is an adult.
For the longest time TASM was my favorite Spider-Man movie because of what it did for peter’s character and working through his grief, along with the amazing interpretation of the character of Spider-Man.
My problem about the mcu Spider-Man is that they makes the tone into a 80s comedy teen movies, but the story of Spider-Man is not about comedy, it's about drama, it's because he is relatable, yes he cracks jokes everytime in the fight but that's it, most of it is drama
It doesn't need to be accurate I'm pretty sure the whole point of creating a bond with Tony was clear enough that they were doing something different with the character or idk maybe not having uncle Ben and making aunt may young lol, I'm all for a new take of the character that fits the MCU timeline. I hate that everyone shits on Tom's Spiderman for being the least comic accurate nobody can ever give actual criticism to the new take without it just being based on a fixated biase or a side by side comparison of comic Spiderman's character. Which btw comics change universes and character personalities and stories all the time it's unfair to hold the standard of a fixated continuity when the comics don't follow the same rule.
what I loved about spiderman in the older comics was while he respected other superheroes and groups he also had kind of a carefree ambivalence about them(outside of the FF4 who he really did have a relationship with) I remember the time when he wanted to join the avengers not because they were the premiere heroes but simply because he thought he would get a good salary and when he found out the money wasn't all that he dipped on them with the quickness.......and I just like his need to be his own man and do thing his way and how it often clashed with others.......alot of that is played down in the mcu.
6:35 No way home spoilers ahead That problem is fixed. Tom's spiderman has faced, I'd say, the biggest consequence of his actions out of all three spidermen. He lost his Aunt may, but he also lost all the friends he made. Not just Ned and MJ, but the Avengers don't remember either, not happy, not doctor strange, no one does. After all they been through together as a team in Infinity war and Endgame, it's all forgotten. When doctor strange said "Nice knowing you, spiderman" at the end of the movie, it hit hard. About the character development part, Doctor strange told him to not call him sir at the beginning, but when he messes up the spell he reverts back to it with the lines "After all we've been through, I forget you're just a kid" and "call me sir!" And near the end, when Spidey tells strange to cast the spell where everyone forgets about him, strange says "call me Steven". Acknowledging his maturity. That's emotional Also, the part about "everything handed over to him". It's true he didn't make the Stark suits that he uses, but it is also true that he earned them and proved his right to use them at the end of the first movie when he used his homemade suit to stop vulture. Tom's Spidey is a more naive portrayal of Spiderman than Tobey and Andrew's. Like an actual teen that is still mentally developing. He was a kid making mistakes and being careless in all those movies. But by the end of No way home, he did learn a lot. EDIT: And I'm really looking forward to next 3 spiderman movies of the character in MCU to see how the behavioural changes take effect on his future actions
Spoilers for no way home: I feel like now the mcu spiderman is finally, spiderman. He’s lost everything, and no one knows him, he makes his own suit after having everything handed to him throughout the first two movies, and now he’s ready to become the spiderman everyone knows.
I understand this but I really didn't like the plot of the movie. A lot of it is just really really bad decision making that is really obviously bad. Like, idk, risking changing the universe just because you didn't get into a college (and not even considering the parameters of that risk). Or risking changing the universe cause you felt bad for blood thirsty villains. Also villains can't just be cured with a shot. Even at the ending, the spell could've been modified. None of the villains had anything to do with the MCU Peter Parker. No personal stake. Idk, I thought the movie had an awful plot. I did like seeing Tobey Maguire back tho.
@@jojomcjoe292 I did enjoy it. But I was just kinda frustrated watching it. I do prefer the Raimi movies. I did think it was cool seeing three spidermen work together.
@@JONZII7 Andrews Spiderman literally was a villain for a bit of the first movie being a fucking criminal being thirsty for revenge... That isn't Spiderman
In my opinion the MCU Spider-Man movies feel more like palate cleansers, similar to the Antman films or even Captain Marvel. I think they should've treated Spidey like its own entity within the MCU, similar to the Guardians. Give his movies a more distinct style or feeling. HC & FFH to me just feel like MCU entries no. 16 & 23. The Guardians movies however actually feel distinct enough, like you're watching sth different in a way. The same goes for most of the phase 1 films, they each had their own unique style which is why it felt so special when those characters all shared the screen for the first time in Avengers or when the Guardians first interacted with the rest of the MCU in IW/Endgame. I also think it's not that smart to compare MCU Spidey with Raimi's Spidey that much as they're both different ages. I'd rather compare him with The Spectacular Spider-Man show which in my opinion is the perfect way to adapt a high school version of the character. The first 3 episodes alone give Peter more depth than the 2 MCU solo movies combined.
Very good example with GoTG. Those movies feel extremely distinct in the MCU and that's exactly what Spider-Man needs to be. Peter's stories are very much self contained but the MCU doesn't let them be.
After seeing how great NWH wrapped all this up. Showing Tom’s growth through these 3 films a kind of origin trilogy instead of one origin movie. It’s really cool how much this made the other movies look good seeing them all build upon each other.
It's what can happen when you own the character and you know you can take your time developing a character instead of having to worry about, "it won't make enough money to get a sequel, so we gotta hurry and get as much story in one movie as we can."
It’s not an origin. It’s like a soft reboot. This wasn’t planned from the beginning. This movie was supposed to just be another MCU movie with Spider-Man fighting kraven at first. This was obviously a sharp left turn, not a conscious build up to something that was planned the entire time.
@@Awesomemusic19 marvel plans out these movies years in advance, with a 3 movie deal with the same director (Jon Watts) this definitely was planned out. Now they announced another 3 coming they’ve definitely thought this all out.
@@Brzle it definitely was not planned out. You know what the original plans for this movie were? Spider-Man vs kraven. Not anything to do with a multiverse or erasure of identity or any of the legacy characters. It was a last minute change.
@@Awesomemusic19 it was planned out even though they originally had craven as the movie it ended in the same way it did. A soft reboot was planned this entire time
I enjoy MCU’s Spider-Man, I enjoy his energy, and the fact that he’s more jokey like he was in the comics. But I agree that Disney/Marvel are playing it too safe with him. I want a Spider-Man story from the MCU that focuses on him struggling to face his enemies and not relying on the avengers all the time, I mean don’t get me wrong. I love seeing Spider-Man interact with the Avengers. But I want Tom Holland’s Spider-Man to show more struggles like Tobey Maguire/Andrew Garfield. Hope No Way Home will show more of that.
@@horrorspook661 yeah like for example in the (2011) series The Ultimate Spider-Man seeing ONE member of the avengers was special now they took that magic away from us
I don’t think mcu Spider-Man is witty at allC personally. He does t quip the way I’d like him to. Somehow Andrew was the only one who could really quip
Spiderman before joining MCU : "Wow can't wait for Spiderman to interact with other Marvel characters in his own movie" Spiderman after joining MCU : "Wtf why does every characters crossover with Spiderman. We want Spiderman movie to be standalone with no references"
The complaint is not references its the fact that spiderman is turned into a sidekick as if he's not marvels biggest character. Idk how you fail to see that lmao.
@@eNv3n0mX that makes no sense, iron man has 15 minutes total in homecoming, Nick fury prob has about 10 in ffh. Although their presences are felt there’s no way u can truthfully say he isn’t the main character.
Funny thing is.. my grandmother was a marvel fan, she had a bunch of comic books, and a device that you could put a disc with little pictures into and "watch" stories of the avengers by flipping a huge lever on the side, each disc had a transparent mini vynil record attached to it, where you could press a button and it would play dialogue for the scene. I became fascinated by all these super heroes thanks to my grandma
Im honestly going to watch No Way Home just because of the things going around that Tobey and Andrew will be there. Give spider man back to Sony please
Because fuck the Hydro-Man scene in Far From Home, am I right? Or that scene in Homecoming where he leaps over a tall gate? Imagine thinking organic webbing was a good concept…
@@thefilmwatcher1302 you make a pretty good point actually.. Im a pretty big fan of the MCU's spiderman don't get me wrong. I just think its cool when they show off peter being peter. The only time they show off him without the OVERPOWERED stark/iron spider suit is very minor but when it happens its cool. They need to improve that
Organic webs ruin spiderman. Spiderman is supposed to be smart. They never really show how smart tobey is. The fact that toms spidey was able to create his own webbing and web shooters is impressive at 15 years old. What happened to the boat scene or the scene with him lifting a destroyed building while buried in it or perhaps the scene where he steered a plane with his webs and strength. Dont forget about the spider sense scene in far from home. It feels like people just choose not to see these things and thats why people dislike toms spidey.
@@gaelick i dont really dislike toms spidey i actually love it. I feel in some ways they make him look either too weak or too overpowered sometimes. Also Tobeys spiderman focused more on his "daily bugle" stuff and they only highlighted how smart he was in spiderman 3 but it was done horribly and mostly forgotten
The problem with the Home coming/Far from Home movies is that this Spider-Man is learning how to be the hero he should be from Tony Stark instead of himself… that’s the direction they choose to take to introduce him in the MCU instead of having him already been established or at least smart, skilled and resourceful enough to do things by himself… he’s more like poor man’s Spider-Man than anything else… hopefully “No way Home” will be better, which is probably why they are bringing back the Tobey and Andrew, because they were better depiction of the character and had superiors stories and a good understanding of what it takes to be that superhero than “Spider-Teen”.
Did you forget the entire premise of homecoming? where tony literally says to NOT be like him, and where peter literally learns to listen to himself and become his own hero
Tom Holland is just a Spider-Man/peter Parker variant, the others still exist in their own universes, as seen in Spider-Man no way home so ur problem is that the youngest Spider-Man variant is the least mature? BRUHHHHHHHHH
@@RingsideSumo well i hope not because that's isn't really unique to the character, tasm did an amazing job for make classic with modern, but we need the classic ditko-lee and romita sr again, Speacially in the movies.
I dunno why people are using "ACKTUALLY NO WAY HUM3" argument, it took like 3 freaking movies for MCU SpiderMan to learn something other Spider Men learned in thr first 20 minutes of their own movies.
@Erik Kemeey yah, is true and you know it, Tobey and Andrew Parkers learned what responsability means in the first 20 minutes of their first movies. Holland Parker stupidity not only almost destroyed London but also almost caused a whole multiversal crisis for acting like a chimpmunk on crack and not shutting his mouth. Lets hope he is far less childish and stupid in his next trilogy.
@Erik Kemeey Dude being a kid doesn’t change it. The point of Spider-Man is that he literally has to grew up way earlier than anyone else around him something Holland's Spider-Man only did at the end of his third movie
Not really, no one could have predicted what the plan was for spiderman going forward, hell I thought they were going to stick with spiderman inheriting a good chunk of tony's tech and get special treatment with his company, and if they did then cycinide wouldve been right that they didnt get spiderman right at the fundementals. NWH makes me happy that he is finally gonna be the spiderman we all know and love, and Im sure cycinide feels similar. We all thought we were skipping spidermans origin and getting to the good stuff fast in homecoming when in reality we were watching peter become spiderman the whole time.
Yeah I guess you're right, but the point of spiderman is that he can grow and change just like us. The progress and development of a spiderman character makes it spiderman. I feel like the MCU knows exactly what they're doing and they're trying their best to get their characters as close to the comics as possible.
The MCU clearly doesn’t understand Spider-Man at all. How can anyone be a true Spider-Man fan to think Tom’s depiction of Spider-Man is the most comic book accurate? Anyways, here’s my opinion on the best versions of Spider-Man: - Tobey Maguire Spider-Man (Sam Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy) - Yuri Lowenthal Spider-Man (Spider-Man PS4) - Comic Spider-Man (60s-90s Spider-Man Comics/Ultimate Spider-Man/616 Spider-Man) - Josh Keaton Spider-Man (Spectacular Spider-Man) - Christopher Daniel Barnes Spider-Man (90s Spider-Man The Animated Series) Garfield in my opinion wasn’t bad but I don’t think he was great. And don’t mind the dislikes, you are 100% correct. MCU never even had a Spider-Man, they’ve just had an Iron Boy Jr.
@Andrew Casali I’ve always had great taste in Spider-Man. In my opinion, Comic Spider-Man is really underrated. I think the best comic versions of Spider-Man are 60s-90s Spider-Man comics, Ultimate Spider-Man, and 616 Spider-Man. But then again, the people who Think Tom Holland is the best and most comic accurate Spider-Man (possibly could be fangirls) probably didn’t know who Spider-Man was before Civil War and think he only appears in movies.
The movie did not do it right and made me dislike this trilogy even worse. If u really break it down he went to dr strange to cast a spell they new could break the universe or whatever(I don’t watch mcu very much) over his college admissions. And I also don’t like how he tried to cure the villains there villains for a reason
@@CocoButter06 yh I get where your coming from some stuff in the movie were a bit meh for me as well like it felt like lizard and sandman were kinda irrelevant to the story or were just not given enough interactions with Spiderman and I still don't get why sandman turned evil again. Also lizard looked a little off me in this one as imo he looked better and more realistic in tasm 1.
Tbh they ruined his storyline in mcu theres no mention of uncle ben no gravestone not even a flashback of uncle ben and there's no oscorp so where did the spider that bit him come from
People don't get that MCU Spidey was introduced as a highschooler. He's way younger than his other counter parts which go to college. The theme/lesson of homecoming was exactly to teach Peter that he can't just rely on the suit to do everything for him. MCU Peter has a character development arc through the entire trilogy, which ends now with no way home where he becomes the spiderman we know and love from the comics. The origin changed but the character is the same.
Tom holland would be great if they made him struggle to be Spiderman, we never see him struggle to stay in school and work a part time job and be Spider-Man at the same time, we never see him frustrated by being Spider-Man but still taking up the suit because he has to, we see small bits but they don't leave the impact of a struggling superhero teenager who does what he does because he can't just sit down a let people get hurt even if it ruins his life, that my friends is why tobeys Spider-Man was so loved, a real hero.
@@kojoyamoah414 I have to disagree. Unlike the other iterations of Spider-Man, where they had only one movie to set up their origin story. This new spider-man uses three movies. At the endo of NWH, peter has finally come into his own. There is no more Iron Man to help him. [SPOILERS] No more Aunt May, no more Ned. He is now alone, he is poor and he has learnt how to be a true hero. That is a true spider-man.
@@cumbong238 and they had to retcon for that to happen with a stupid spell so the last 3 movies are irrelevant now, great 'writing'. Spiderman PS4 gets the character more somehow? Idk hopefully next 3 movies fix this mess
@@cumbong238 these 3 movies are so run of the mil popcorn. In a few years no one is going to remember them. Very forgettable. I'm not on anything just wish we would get Spiderman as good as Sam Raimi again. A director who is passionate about the character
No Way Home didn't fixed anything. Sorry Tom Holland fangirls. Just bcoz an uninteresting and a boring character died and Tom did a bad acting of crying doesn't makes him best Spiderman. They forcefully put consequences to make him best. He became Spiderman in the end. He is not Iron Boy jr. But now we can say that he is the worst adaptation of Spiderman. Nothing close to Tobey and Andrew or PS4 game. They forcefully wrote him strong in the movie. Made him cry in every sec to show "Oh look he is suffering. He is best". Gave him plot armor. Copied Raimi, Webbs and PS4 fight scenes. Trying to gave him depth. MCU Spiderman sucks. Deal with it. Gave him the best Spidersense scene instead of giving to Tobey or Andrew.
One of the best opinions I have heard , Im sure no one was that emotion struck at Aunt May's death and no on was really that shocked by seeing the world forget Peter Parker, people are just calling the movie a masterpiece because of Tobey and Andrew , and props to you for mentioning the PS4 Spiderman , he is the best for me
@Chopper well he's always under the shadow of tony stark/iron man which is contradictory to the character of spider man being his own man, all of his villains are indirect, meaning that they dont have any conflict with peter/spidey but have it with iron man, i mean... they literally have to use already established villains from the past films like doc ock (spider man 2), electro (tasm 2), sandman (spider man 3), lizard (tasm) etc. You get it?
@@notAburner.promise Yes. I consider NWH on the same boat as Revenge of the Siths. Revenge of the Siths is a pretty good movie on its own, but it didn’t make The Phantom Menace nor Attack of the Clones any better.
Completely agree with this video! Spiderman just doesn't feel the same as he does in every other Spiderman media, for all the reasons you mentioned. No Way Home did do a good thing basically removing his connection to the Avengers and Stark but to be honest I'm still not the biggest fan and I don't think it justified how they set him up in the first place. Another point I haven't seen many people mention (at least in this comments section) is how a lot of his story beats are actually very similar to Miles Morales' story. I'm not that familiar with the comics so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding Miles was: thrown into a conflict that he wasn't ready for, is trying to live up to another superhero's legacy (Peter Parker Spiderman), attends a prestigous science academy and has an Asian best friend (who acts as his "guy in the chair"), have everyone in his circle know he's Spiderman and have his suit given to him by someone else. These are all pretty much the same thing that happens to MCU Peter. What I'm trying to say is that another reason why I don't like MCU Peter is because it isn't a Peter Parker story, the writers just took points from Miles' story and gave it to Peter. Maybe it was a coincidence who knows but the points are so similar it doesn't feel like it is. I do appreciate they were trying something new but it really feels like they just ripped off Miles' story instead of using the rich amount of material Peter has and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. A shame because I do think Tom Holland is a good Spiderman but his story and how they set him up really ruins it for me.
First of have u read ultimate spiderman That spider man was a teenager And also he created his own homemade suit And if you think he does not act independent in the movies then you are wrong
After watching nwh i realised that the mcu knows exactly who spider-man is.. instead of getting a half hour origin story they gave us an origin trilogy to empathise way more with tom hollands spider-man. And i am thankful for this decision
In homecoming he was given everything and used it irresponsibly and learned to appreciate what he was given In far from home he was given even more and tried to give away his responsibility out of fear of that responsibility In no way home he had everything taken away from him and realises that despite that he still has his own power and that power came with the ultimate responsibility and at that point he became spiderman
@@miltain If you want the movies you’ve already had, why not watch those? That mindset is why we hardly get any new, original content these days. With Spider-Man they at least did the reboot in a different way: “What if Stark recruited young Peter and made him an Avenger?” That whole arc takes a few movies yea and now a new arc will come and I for one hope it will be yet another interpretation of the character and not just a retread of the basic “Peter goes to college” story
@@miltain I wasn’t aware I was talking to the Authority on Interesting, excuse me. Millions upon millions thoroughly enjoyed this version of Peter, so again: Just go watch those perfect movies you had already gotten in the past and let the people who own the IP do what they wanna do. Nobody is forcing you into the fucking theater
But that's the point,Bill is a psycopath,he sees superman the same way Lex Luthor seems superman,his entire dialogue is much like some of Luthor's monologue about superman.
nwh is the movie that tom spidey becomes real spiderman and i also think that the guy made this video changed his mind. tom is not using tech suits anymore. hes not mcu spiderman anymore.
Maybe make an update to this video after no way home. I think moving forward after that movie will resolve some if not all your problems with mcu spidy
No Way Home changed spiderman from just another MCU character to actually Spider-Man. he's back to being a nobody as Peter Parker, he buys his own place, and he makes his own generic suit. they made Spider-Man feel like Spider-Man
NWH just settled for making him an idiot and ripping off of Spider-Man PS4 at the end... No improvements made apart from a MAJOR overcompensation lol, he only became a "real" Spider-Man through literally having two older versions of himself tell him to do so So forced...
,Mcu peter is basically a white miles morales, he has a fat asian friend and a black girlfriend, he doesnt make his own suit until no way home, he has everything handed to him and he feels like a sidekick and not his own hero. I think Tobey is Classic Spider-Man and Andrew is Modern Day Spider-Man
I agree, but it's difficult to completely commit to a character that you don't own the movie rights to. I understand why the MCU went in this direction. Someone told me after watching NWH that all the movies were his origin story.
you shouldnt have to be told that, any background built prior to the present is considered to be an origin story. Youve never heard of a director making retcons? He obviously heard all of the complaints of the Tony Stark Jr. Spiderman. The other movies are a complete 180 from this one.
@@Awesomemusic19 Thank you, I loved No Way Home and it addressed most if not all of my issues with this Spider-Man however, what I find frustrating is how dome people act like it was somehow always planned and all these complaints about MCU Spider-Man over the last few years have been somehow prematurely made because we weren't patient enough. It's clearly a retcon that was designed to be written in a way that addresses the past while addressing the criticisms this interpretation has received; comics do it all the time (although usually with more flawed execution). It's not our job as fans of the character and audiences to somehow assume that he's going to mold into the Spider-Man we know 4 years from now.
The scene from Spiderman 2 where after saving the train and the passengers aboard realize that Spiderman is just a kid, and unanimously decide to not reveal his secret identity to the world is one of the best scenes in any film, not just a superhero film.
Also a great meme
No 😂
@@amiablereaperthat's the only good thing about it
The end of that scene is ruined for me when that one guy sees Tobey in his 30s and is like "he's just a kid!"
Absolutely true
Spider-Man can’t be Spider-Man in the MCU. He will always be treated like a sidekick because the idea of a starry eyed kid with the Avengers is a more profitable idea. He’s Spider-Teen.
He's basically Iron Man's sidekick. Hell, all his movies so far have involved him fighting people who hate Iron Man.
@@MrChristo93 Peter Parker lost all the charm by making him the unofficial adopted son of a billionaire. The glasses? Another suit with Stark tech? What have you done to Spider-Man, MCU?
@L///D/P/R/Z Its gonna be the same thing in NWH too, in the beginning he is gonna be a lil bish and not know what to do and then dr strange, tobey & Andrew are gonna show up to daddy him
@@MrChristo93 Is that any different than him fighting other people’s villains in the comics or how in Spectacular Spider-Man most of his villains hated Norman Osborn before Spidey stopped them
You do realize that the comic spiderman is supposed to be a teenager, unlike the Tobey who looked 30.
Yea after seeing the new movie I’m glad they went the direction they did with the “Avengers Spider-Man” and now that that has come to an end and he can become the more comic accurate Spider-Man. They did this new movie great
Perfect origin trilogy 🤩
Excited for spiderman 4
@@Zanoladab Eh, it could get really bad after this movie, but the progress is what makes spiderman "spiderman".
same
They really did put him on track to be more like classic ASM despite a lot of problems with the movie that alone made it worth my time
We witnessed an origin trilogy of potentially one of the best cinematic spider-man
The fact that there’s no Uncle Ben makes no sense, he’s the entire reason Peter Parker even became Spider-Man
People: wE dOn'T nEeD tO sEe UnClE bEn AgAiN wE'vE aLrEaDy SeEn HiM dYiNg ToO mAnY tImEs
Marvel: *turns Peter into a teenager and makes him go to high school again*
Tht like sayin tryna avoid batmans parents death
@Dorian Beaver that would be hella dumb tho cause Uncle Ben is the whole reason behind him being Spider-Man.
Yea but they tryna do something different they already showed spider mans origin it would just be the same thing again it would be cool but useless
@@Jusjord4n-64 they don’t have to show his origin again. The big issue is that they haven’t even MENTIONED Uncle Ben - the most crucial character in Peter becoming Spider-Man.
For me it's how Disney erased Peter's working class background - his class struggles pretty much shape him as a character, from how he tries to provide for his aunt and himself and how he relates to his community
MCU Spider-Man is now an heir to a billionaire's tech company, and even before that he seemed pretty well-off, in Far from Home the issues Tony's workers faced weren't really addressed at the end
Disney's always been pretty bad at dealing with class issues tbh
He is not an heir to his tech at all, all Tony gave him was the glasses, he doesn’t get any other money, as you can see in FFH, May and Peter are still living in a small apartment, not a big mansion and in the extended scene you see he sells his toys to get a gift for MJ. I think that’s the problem I have when people critique the new SM movies is because they blow up things like a final gift from Tony Stark into being more than it is.
Lilo and Stitch is the only Disney movie I can think of that really deals with class well
@@charlestaylorco8713 Those glasses are awful because they’re stylized as Iron Man’s and not Spidey. Also every movie that Spider-Man is in, there is *always* some big expensive gift or upgrade from Mr Stark. It is a big deal. Spider-Man is his own and Holland’s doesn’t feel that way. He uses Stark tech on his own suit and wears things similar to Tony. We get it. He’s Tony’s pupil now let him be SPIDER-MAN.
If he was poor, his relationship with the first villain would be more impactful, a guy who's mad at the riches and who had to strugle with the loss of his and other people jobs
This would be perfect for Spidey
And at the end he just put the guy in jail, the problem wasn't resolved, heroes are still a fuck up
@@charlestaylorco8713 why do u keep trying to defend this shitty spiderman like there's honestly no argument u can make at this point
Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man was grounded. Psychological. Peter Parker was challenged. But this one is just a side kick who is constantly bailed out of problems.
Raimi couldn't capture Spider-Man's personality and Tobey Maguire sucks at acting.
Bailed out? Wasn't Tobey's Peter bailed out by winning MJ over at the end of Spiderman 2?
@@okand6770 No.
@isaacthegoat1432 really? Because how I remember it is he then decides yet again that they can't be together. Which would've been a fine ending to that bad "romance" arc. But then he wins her over anyway in the worst way possible(her cheating on her fiance with him), ultimately, both characters learned nothing.
@isaacthegoat1432 Peter telling MJ they can't be together(again) means he had to re-learn that he can't be with her. Being with spiderman will hurt the other more than it would if they weren't with him. To protect the one he loves he can't get what he wants in the end. He has the power to do it but it is his responsibility to make sure that he is doing the right thing. If you think about it, that's the same lesson he learned in the end of the first movie but they butchered it in 2 by having MJ be like, "I don't care I will do whatever it takes." Which is a contradiction because she ends up getting jealous of Peter for being Spiderman in 3.
I feel that Tom can pull off being Spider-Man, but he's given bad writing
That's exactly how I feel. Tom Holland has the potential to be the perfect Spider-Man, but what keeps him from that is horrible writers that don't understand the character.
@@Rotodojo-yf9sq it's not the writers problem it's actually the mcu isn't giving freedom to make spiderman because if that happens then spiderman would become better than avengers
Exactly, like when he was introduced in Civil War, it had that vibe to him
Same thing goes for Andrew Garfield. The movies he starred in were hot garbage but he wasn't really that bad as the wall crawler
@@IamNKSyo while I do agree that the writers definitely lack freedom due to the restriction of having to fit in this narrow cinematic universe Tom Holland's material isn't really that great either. He's supposed to be 15/16 but oftentimes acts/sounds more immature & childish than the 13 year old cast in Harry Potter 3, like he's forced to play a caricature of what Disney/Hollywood thinks 16 year olds sound like.
the thing that frustrates me the most about this spider-man is that the villains he's faced so far have more beef and history with tony stark than they do with him. It completely takes away the aspect that makes so much spider-man villains so interesting; their relation to peter parker.
Now this i agree with
I do understand your point about the Tony stark villains and respect it, I personally see it differently
With the vulture, although Tony is the reason he loses his job, toomes never really hates stark and doesn’t really want anything to do with him, he uses stark and his wealth as an excuse to justify selling weapons in a sorta “where’s mine” behaviour, he is clearly living comfortably in a huge house in New York but because others are wealthier than him in general he vilifies them so that he is in the right in his own mind
With mysterio, he’s definitely a villain because of stark but I also feel he’s similar in the way that he is spiteful against the world for idolising superheroes and not him, I definitely think that his team shouldn’t of also been stark employees though because that bar scene is what ties him so close to stark
It’s comments like this that show me that you don’t understand Spider-Man nor the comics, the villains in the comics don’t start off beefing with Spider-Man, they end up beefing with him because spidey is the only one around TO stop them. It’s the same thing with MCU spidey, only difference is that this is the first time spidey is in movies with other heroes so they try to show that. Mysterio being a former stark employee was a great twist and while he does hate tony he also definitely hates Spider-Man and wants to kill him.
I want people to also know that not everyone reads the comics
@@bobaboy4620 yeah I know. It shows
Tom Holland does not represent Spider-man at all, nor does he fit the role of Nathan Drake. Hollywood and Bollywood have lost their minds completely.
Andrew and Tobey are worthy.
Why?)
I thought the Garfield movies were a bit of a disaster. They are masterpieces compared to the MCU Spiderman. He is just so pathetic and annoying in this iteration.
Agree
And so are sexy white girls .
@@haidenhill6358 🤣
I personally hate how MCU Spiderman almost _always_ looks completely CG in costume.
I prefer the TASM 2 suit than the MCU cuz it looks so good
Lol wow so chi really go lol at the behind the scenes lol
@@Tetopettenson1 Yeah, the eyes are amazing with TASM 2 suit. It's a perfect mix of classic and modern
I agree dude. It really bugs me lol.
Because it is CG.
It's not just Spider-Man, the MCU does not understand over half these characters.
Who else are they getting wrong other than Spider-Man and likely Thor and The Hulk in your opinion?
@@KalakeikoThor , Hulk , Vision , Loki , Ultron , Baron Zemo , Quick Silver , Scarlet Witch , Mysterio , Mandarin (twice) etc. All of these characters MCU got horribly wrong . All of them are just downgraded versions from the comics .
@@DiegoXRA and you left out Russian iron man or whiplash (not the same character), Maria hill, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Bruce Banner, Melekith, Ancient One, Hela, Frost Giants, Iron-Boy sorry Spider-Man and last but not least Drax the destroyer.
What do you expect from the company who tried to make the big bads end goal seem justified after a dozen plus entries showing how much of an evil piece of shit the dude is?
Hulk,Thor,İronman,Loki,Hawkeye,Antman,Guardians of the Galaxy and Thanos deffinetly improved from writers not understanding their comic counterparts.
Mcu Spiderman is basically Miles Morales. Just White.
Tobey Maguire: Classic Spider-Man.
Andrew Garfield: Modern Spider-Man
Tom Holland: Iron Boy jr
Ohh look at iron man jr. Wanna cry ;)
@Owenboy360 insult? I didn't unsulted anybody, I just said the truth. And the fact that you are so triggered about it proves that it's anything but untrue or overused.
@Owenboy360 it's the worst movie ever.
@@tamishgoyal5962 it's one of the highest rated live action Spidey movies of all time. You don't know what you're talking about
@@histguy101 it's because of you stupid fandoms. Also it don't have legs in front of maguire and Garfield.
Old Spider-Man was a lone wolf, he managed his own hardships, he was miserable, poor, and we could see him crying in every movie but MCU didn't understood this, MCU only saw it as profit, now the iron man fans are supporting new Spider-Man because they are MCU fans not Spider-Man fans, old one stood up after falling, no one was supporting at his back. And I don't think MCU is gonna improve it, they made it less emotional and more comical. I mean the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series was quite better than it because there Spider-Man was the leader of the defenders. Hope you got it.
I sorta get it
Seriously, did you watch the old movies, In SM2 & 3 Peter quits being Spider-Man and doesn't become Spidey again until he gets encouragement from Aunt May, also Peter doesn't get support from Tony, he actively gets held back by Tony when all he is doing is trying to help, he doesn't get it right until he does it himself, how do you take away that Peter can't do anything without Tony from that.
@@SiddharthShenoy he was given 2 suit from tony that gives him all the different webs he could ever have and giant arms he was given glasses that gives him control of a god damn A satellite
This is the main thing wrong with this: he’s given everything. Also, this Spider-Man doesn’t have his own villains or anything…. If you replaced Spider-Man with Ironman in this film, it would be an Ironman movie. These films are like Spidey was dropped into an Ironman film, where everything that happened connects to Ironman and the avengers, rather than connecting directly to him and his mistakes. If Norman Osborn existed in this universe, he would have never met Peter before their fight, and would have just been a competitor to Stark industries who hated Tony stark. Its like a Spider-Man who was dropped into an Ironman film.
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After NWH, I feel like they perfectly do understand, they were building him to be the perfect SPIDERMAN.
Yes it was all a build up to something we know and love, Solo Spider-Man.
Its too late
I'll rather say they took the criticism and made a story that is undeniably... A spiderman story.. A Peter Parker story. Even the hidden meanings were great. Green Goblin was the first spiderman villain in the live action and he was shown at last and had the most important role along with Dr. Octavius. We saw toms spiderman starting a new with his own tailored suit and becoming the friendly neighborhood spiderman wr always knew
@@mindscape1621 wym it’s too late 😂
Spider-MAN
They made him evolve into a MAN, no longer just the young boy who started it off in civil war
Andrew Garfield is a national treasure
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Correct.
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Facts
Garfield movies are a masterpiece compared to mcu spidey movies
Completely agreed! Spiderman was always my favorite superhero, and I grew up on that animated show. The Sam Raimi Spiderman movies were also my first exposure to superhero movies and I loved them. I actually really like Andrew Garfield's Spiderman, because like you said he's still the same character, they just changed Peter to more what the "modern HS loser" archetype looks like. Miles Morales, too, is an excellent Spiderman. But yeah Tom Holland (good actor, not his fault) isn't like that. And I guess I enjoyed his movies but they weren't the same.
In other words, Garfield's and Maguire's Spidermen, as well as Miles Morales, are truly stars in their own Spidermen movies. Holland's Spiderman is a character in an Avengers movie that just happens to be about him.
They also forget the most important thing about Spiderman: He is, truly, your friendly neighborhood Spiderman. He isn't the guy who travels around the world waving humanity. He doesn't have that luxury - he is the guy who is responsible for keeping NYC safe. Something goes down in NYC, and he's there. Because he's all about his family, his friends (such as they are), and his community.
This has been my biggest complaint for years with Tom Holland Spiderman. The dude has everything handed to him. And we know that he can do shit for himself. Spiderman is capable of fighting off the Avengers by himself. Tom's Spiderman lets Tony Stark do everything for him.
What about No Way Home?
@@Kalakeikostill the same sh*t with decent ending but can't expect a good sequel, maybe mid sequel at best
@@zulkifli4201 How so? All of his connections are gone now and he's all alone with no one to rely on, which seems to be the main complaint some people have about the MCU Spider-Man.
@@Kalakeiko yeah and the progress to make he reach that point is so stupid
Plus No Way Home is just a fanservice movie, so the value is low at best
I rather rewatch TASM or SM2 than that crap
@@zulkifli4201lollll clown?
That bridge scene in TASM 1
That's Spider-Man!!
I hope Andrew comes back in NWH
It definetly represents him very well.
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Seeing that scene in the ads, I freaked right out. Like a crackhead with an 80lb rock in front of them. My girlfriend and her mom tried to calm me down, but I was too damn exited. "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THEY FINALLY GOT HIM RIGHT!!!!!" That scene still gives me goosebumps. "Put the mask on. It'll make you strong!"
Those movies were terrible! Y’all only hate Tom Holland because y’all can’t accept the difference between a stand alone Spider-Man and a Spider-Man in the MCU. Andrew was a good Spider-Man but the movies themself and his portrayal of Peter Parker is just terrible.
@@brandonmarrero3949 bro learn to read first, did I say I hate tom holland? Have I used the phrase "I hate tom holland"? No. I actually really like all actors who have portrayed spiderman. Its just that I love that scene among others. That's all. Where did the comparison between Actors even come from? Oh yeah low IQ NPCs like you bring that comparison in unnecessarily
Something always felt off with the MCU Spider-Man. It's like, I know I'm looking at Spider-Man, but it feels like there's nothing inside. His supporting cast is almost nonexistent or has been changed to the point of being unrecognizable. He no longer has his own stories to tell, it's just swept up into the larger MCU. His daily struggles are gone, his "friendly neighborhood" status is gone. These are not Tom Holland's flaws, but man, it's like eating off-brand cereal.
What about No Way Home?
@kalakeiko6933 omg, get over it. No Way Home is only good because Tobey and Andrew are there. If it was just Tom, it wouldn't be good enough for a lot of people. Tobey and Andrew were solo from the start, they didn't have anyone to help them. And when they did, those people turned into villains. Tom gets everything handed to him like someone already said. He's not content with just helping ordinary people, he's always seeking a bigger mission. Tobey and Andrew's spidermen didn't have a choice. They were humble to the point they felt they need to give up what they wanted in order to protect people with their gift. Tom acts spoiled and annoying. No Way Home is great, but too little too late. Just because they fixed his character in the end doesn't erase how bad it was the first two movies, not counting his appearances in the Avengers movies.
@@bluewolf2708 Why are you so pressed? I just asked what they think of No Way Home after they've fixed the issues they have with the MCU version of Spider-Man. All three versions of Spider-Man and Peter Parker are good in their own way, just different, especially since Tobey and Andrew's versions aren't linked to other heroes and the MCU while Tom's is.
It feels like there's nothing inside the suit because it's a cgi model lmao. There literally isn't anyone in the suit.
@@bluewolf2708 i would’ve liked the movie more without Andrew and Tobey, Goblin and Tom carry that movie. Goblin is the best he’s ever been in NWH
No Way Home is a reboot of Tom’s story and nostalgia bait yet some people are acting like it was the intended arc for Tom’s Spider-Man 💀
He’s a moron that brought 5 supervillains into his apartment which ended up in disaster (wow who knew?!) and needed the Raimi trilogy’s villains to fix his arc. Just terrible
I thought they were all great films. To each his own though, cheers.
@@tafb94force29 Tom sucks.
Lol pathetic
@@arnoldd9664 yes you are pathetic
Not a moron but someome who just santed to give them a second chance however he wasn't aware of Goblin and his betrayal, he realised to late bit tgen Tibry and Andrew heloed him and guided him, you are just a hater like most of the rest are lol
Tom Holland is no Spiderman he is more like Tony Stark's Robin
Yes lol
Spiderboy. He even has a young Aunt May, wtf?
And a diversity quota Mary Jane.
You can have one or the other and still be okay, but both in the same timeline? What the hell man...
@Anastasia's Secret I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with him or disagreeing. But if you’re acting like Zendaya is a good MJ……
….No, just no. “Half white” doesn’t mean anything. Mary Jane Watson is a redhead. She is white. Zendaya may be half white but she’s not a redhead and she’s still not fully white. And it was just for diversity brownie points, there’s no way anyone thought she was perfect to play MJ, the character is nothing like the comics and the same can be said for the actress. They went so far as to make MJ her nickname when her name isn’t even Mary Jane, it’s a bunch of bs. Zendaya is not Mary Jane Watson and is just another case if ginger discrimination, another ginger being black washed. There are actual black women in the comics ya know, the comics aren’t just full of white people. I hope the MCU doesn’t do the X-men because they’re just going to do this to Jean Grey too, I just know it.
@Anastasia's Secret You’re an idiot. She very clearly took on more black genetics than white. Stop supporting the idea of race swapping characters, it is literally more racist than keeping white characters as white. There are diverse characters in the comics so they should be used as opposed to using the name and popularity of a white character and changing their race to promote diversity. People of different races and ethnicities are treated as if characters like them cannot work on their own and need the popularity of white characters to work, and that is 100% false and extremely racist. You are supporting racism when you think you’re supporting diversity, you are adding to the problem.
Also Mary Jane Watson was fully white in the comics so it is race swapping.
problem with MCU Spiderman: he isn't the protagonist
What does that mean?
@@paigeh7892 exactly what he fkn said.
@@tristanavila1876 well what he said doesn’t make sense. Because mcu Spider-Man is clearly the protagonist
Well, it sure doesn’t feel like it most of the time
@@paigeh7892 Iron man, iron man, nick fury, avengers ,iron man, captain america... thats a spider movie in 2021
Peter Parker: The MCU doesn’t understand me!
T’challa: First time?
I feel as though No way Home could fix these issues. The spell used by Dr. Strange could cut him off from the stark fund as they would forget him. It could be the set up of him having to start over without the support of the avengers.
The thing with No Way Home is that the villains have no beef with Tony Stark, only Spider-Man. So it helps his independence
I'm really hoping that by the end of the movie, Peter decides to fully commit to the spell and let's everyone forget that he's Spider-Man. This would allow him to finally stand on his own.
You called it!
@@Hdjroiedjek No spoilers! Haven’t had time to see it yet lol
@@sickcarnagerequiem No spoilers, i'm just going to say, the next movie is going to be a banger
Spider-Man fans: MCU Spider-Man doesn't feel like Spider-Man at all
MCU fanboys: *bUt He'S jUsT a KiD*
so true, they're all normies who've never read a comic book in their life and will eat up anything the MCU puts out.
@@israalal-sulaimani7537 I see why some people do not feel like the mcu spidey is well.. spidey but me personally I feel like he is great and is very similar to the cartoony side of spider man in this bigger universe of heros and he also has that spider man charm so he is my personal favorite spider man for that
But Spider-Man has always been a kid!!! Look at ultimate Spider-Man and the spectacular Spider-Man. They are kids and yet have been relatable and loved by fans. The mcu Spider-Man fans don’t get it because they are just a bunch of newbies who got introduced to the character by the mcu Spidey films; films that have no clue who or what Spider-Man is. These newbies are just bunch of retarded children.
@@voiceacticon667 no not true!! he doesn't stay in high school forever and you literally just named TV shows and not comics knowing darn well that there are way more comics where he's an adult vs him as a kid.
@@israalal-sulaimani7537 that is not what I am saying!!! Not all shows or games have him as a kid. Ultimate Spider-Man and spectacular Spider-Man has him as a kid. Spider-Man tas and Spider-Man games, he is an adult.
For the longest time TASM was my favorite Spider-Man movie because of what it did for peter’s character and working through his grief, along with the amazing interpretation of the character of Spider-Man.
Me too when I was younger and the amazing spider man first came out it was my favorite but now imo it slightly falls below raimis version
My problem about the mcu Spider-Man is that they makes the tone into a 80s comedy teen movies, but the story of Spider-Man is not about comedy, it's about drama, it's because he is relatable, yes he cracks jokes everytime in the fight but that's it, most of it is drama
Spiderman 2 captured the tone for the spiderman character perfectly
Well for me its combination of comedy and drama
Yeah it lacks emotional depth and it's very shallow.
Problem with him cracking jokes is that MCU is already full of characters that quip too.
? No it isn’t. That was just the tone of the Raimi movies.
Thank you. You described the problems with the MCU very well and why it is not an accurate depiction of Spider-man
It doesn't need to be accurate I'm pretty sure the whole point of creating a bond with Tony was clear enough that they were doing something different with the character or idk maybe not having uncle Ben and making aunt may young lol, I'm all for a new take of the character that fits the MCU timeline. I hate that everyone shits on Tom's Spiderman for being the least comic accurate nobody can ever give actual criticism to the new take without it just being based on a fixated biase or a side by side comparison of comic Spiderman's character. Which btw comics change universes and character personalities and stories all the time it's unfair to hold the standard of a fixated continuity when the comics don't follow the same rule.
This video didn't age well.
what I loved about spiderman in the older comics was while he respected other superheroes and groups he also had kind of a carefree ambivalence about them(outside of the FF4 who he really did have a relationship with) I remember the time when he wanted to join the avengers not because they were the premiere heroes but simply because he thought he would get a good salary and when he found out the money wasn't all that he dipped on them with the quickness.......and I just like his need to be his own man and do thing his way and how it often clashed with others.......alot of that is played down in the mcu.
Bro him not getting a salary was with the FF not the avengers 😂
@@d4nnylaflame896 I didn't say he wasn't getting a salary it was about how much they paid as well his struggle to be in a team setting
@@d4nnylaflame896 I think it's both actually
the sigma grindset
this video aged like fine milk
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No way home spoilers ahead
That problem is fixed. Tom's spiderman has faced, I'd say, the biggest consequence of his actions out of all three spidermen. He lost his Aunt may, but he also lost all the friends he made. Not just Ned and MJ, but the Avengers don't remember either, not happy, not doctor strange, no one does. After all they been through together as a team in Infinity war and Endgame, it's all forgotten.
When doctor strange said "Nice knowing you, spiderman" at the end of the movie, it hit hard.
About the character development part,
Doctor strange told him to not call him sir at the beginning, but when he messes up the spell he reverts back to it with the lines
"After all we've been through, I forget you're just a kid" and "call me sir!"
And near the end, when Spidey tells strange to cast the spell where everyone forgets about him, strange says "call me Steven". Acknowledging his maturity. That's emotional
Also, the part about "everything handed over to him".
It's true he didn't make the Stark suits that he uses, but it is also true that he earned them and proved his right to use them at the end of the first movie when he used his homemade suit to stop vulture.
Tom's Spidey is a more naive portrayal of Spiderman than Tobey and Andrew's. Like an actual teen that is still mentally developing. He was a kid making mistakes and being careless in all those movies. But by the end of No way home, he did learn a lot.
EDIT:
And I'm really looking forward to next 3 spiderman movies of the character in MCU to see how the behavioural changes take effect on his future actions
The Avengers still know about Spider-Man. They just don't know about Peter Parker.
no way home is here. i think its a reboot on to make spiderman understand who he is
Spoilers for no way home:
I feel like now the mcu spiderman is finally, spiderman. He’s lost everything, and no one knows him, he makes his own suit after having everything handed to him throughout the first two movies, and now he’s ready to become the spiderman everyone knows.
@Juan Entwistle yup. Feige and co. Played the long game
I understand this but I really didn't like the plot of the movie. A lot of it is just really really bad decision making that is really obviously bad. Like, idk, risking changing the universe just because you didn't get into a college (and not even considering the parameters of that risk). Or risking changing the universe cause you felt bad for blood thirsty villains. Also villains can't just be cured with a shot. Even at the ending, the spell could've been modified. None of the villains had anything to do with the MCU Peter Parker. No personal stake. Idk, I thought the movie had an awful plot. I did like seeing Tobey Maguire back tho.
@@holidaytrout5174 that’s a fair criticism tbh even though I really liked the movie
@@jojomcjoe292 I did enjoy it. But I was just kinda frustrated watching it. I do prefer the Raimi movies. I did think it was cool seeing three spidermen work together.
@@jojomcjoe292 also I love William Defoe
Very mature review. Doesn’t denigrate the films, but is constructive. I wish more reviewers were like this. Thanks for this.
nothing will ever compare to toby maguire
Toby is the worst bro the only thing hes actually amazing at is a ugly cry
@@Jusjord4n-64 stfu im not a tobey fan but he and andrew are miles.....
Milesssss ahead of tom even i could be a better spiderman than tom
@@Jusjord4n-64 mcu fanboy
@@Jusjord4n-64 Tom's whole vocabulary is, "Awesome! Mr Stark? Hey Mr Stark! Uhh Mr Stark? Whoa awesome! Mr Stark! Mr Stark please! But Mr Stark!"
Very profound character.
@@JONZII7 Andrews Spiderman literally was a villain for a bit of the first movie being a fucking criminal being thirsty for revenge...
That isn't Spiderman
In my opinion the MCU Spider-Man movies feel more like palate cleansers, similar to the Antman films or even Captain Marvel. I think they should've treated Spidey like its own entity within the MCU, similar to the Guardians. Give his movies a more distinct style or feeling. HC & FFH to me just feel like MCU entries no. 16 & 23. The Guardians movies however actually feel distinct enough, like you're watching sth different in a way. The same goes for most of the phase 1 films, they each had their own unique style which is why it felt so special when those characters all shared the screen for the first time in Avengers or when the Guardians first interacted with the rest of the MCU in IW/Endgame.
I also think it's not that smart to compare MCU Spidey with Raimi's Spidey that much as they're both different ages. I'd rather compare him with The Spectacular Spider-Man show which in my opinion is the perfect way to adapt a high school version of the character. The first 3 episodes alone give Peter more depth than the 2 MCU solo movies combined.
Very good example with GoTG. Those movies feel extremely distinct in the MCU and that's exactly what Spider-Man needs to be. Peter's stories are very much self contained but the MCU doesn't let them be.
After seeing how great NWH wrapped all this up. Showing Tom’s growth through these 3 films a kind of origin trilogy instead of one origin movie. It’s really cool how much this made the other movies look good seeing them all build upon each other.
It's what can happen when you own the character and you know you can take your time developing a character instead of having to worry about, "it won't make enough money to get a sequel, so we gotta hurry and get as much story in one movie as we can."
It’s not an origin. It’s like a soft reboot. This wasn’t planned from the beginning. This movie was supposed to just be another MCU movie with Spider-Man fighting kraven at first. This was obviously a sharp left turn, not a conscious build up to something that was planned the entire time.
@@Awesomemusic19 marvel plans out these movies years in advance, with a 3 movie deal with the same director (Jon Watts) this definitely was planned out. Now they announced another 3 coming they’ve definitely thought this all out.
@@Brzle it definitely was not planned out. You know what the original plans for this movie were? Spider-Man vs kraven. Not anything to do with a multiverse or erasure of identity or any of the legacy characters. It was a last minute change.
@@Awesomemusic19 it was planned out even though they originally had craven as the movie it ended in the same way it did. A soft reboot was planned this entire time
I enjoy MCU’s Spider-Man, I enjoy his energy, and the fact that he’s more jokey like he was in the comics. But I agree that Disney/Marvel are playing it too safe with him. I want a Spider-Man story from the MCU that focuses on him struggling to face his enemies and not relying on the avengers all the time, I mean don’t get me wrong. I love seeing Spider-Man interact with the Avengers. But I want Tom Holland’s Spider-Man to show more struggles like Tobey Maguire/Andrew Garfield. Hope No Way Home will show more of that.
tbh with doctor strange and potentially a whole mutliverse coming into it, it'll most probably stray even further away from that
Ok here me out, The MCU Spider-Man Meeting any avengers in the movies isn’t special anymore, we see it almost everytime
@@horrorspook661 yeah like for example in the (2011) series The Ultimate Spider-Man seeing ONE member of the avengers was special now they took that magic away from us
He's not witty at all. I don't think you know what wit means.
I don’t think mcu Spider-Man is witty at allC personally. He does t quip the way I’d like him to. Somehow Andrew was the only one who could really quip
Spiderman before joining MCU : "Wow can't wait for Spiderman to interact with other Marvel characters in his own movie"
Spiderman after joining MCU :
"Wtf why does every characters crossover with Spiderman. We want Spiderman movie to be standalone with no references"
Preach.
The reference are good as in the comcis but that not form part of the main storyline
The complaint is not references its the fact that spiderman is turned into a sidekick as if he's not marvels biggest character. Idk how you fail to see that lmao.
Thats because they made him a sidekick character in these movies, even in his own ones.
@@eNv3n0mX that makes no sense, iron man has 15 minutes total in homecoming, Nick fury prob has about 10 in ffh. Although their presences are felt there’s no way u can truthfully say he isn’t the main character.
Funny thing is.. my grandmother was a marvel fan, she had a bunch of comic books, and a device that you could put a disc with little pictures into and "watch" stories of the avengers by flipping a huge lever on the side, each disc had a transparent mini vynil record attached to it, where you could press a button and it would play dialogue for the scene. I became fascinated by all these super heroes thanks to my grandma
Wow, just wow, I agree so completely and feel like I have been telling everyone this for years! 😍
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@@rarememetemplet5579 nobody cares
Agreed!
I use to think the mcu spiderman was the best out of the three, and didnt think other wise until after finishing far from home .
Im honestly going to watch No Way Home just because of the things going around that Tobey and Andrew will be there. Give spider man back to Sony please
Sony is aloud to make their own spider man movies they just choose not to
That and because far from home ended on a cliffhanger
Give Spiderman back to Sony.. oh god you guys want TASM2 again oh god oh no
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS Yes but they can use a Peter Parler as a protagonist in 2022 we gotta have a sequel of Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse
@@raidoukuzonoha883 sorry but tasm2 is miles better then far from home
Redo this video after no way home
Spiderman 2 is the best of all time. it's not even close .
You haven’t seen many films
@@spiralanimations7736 Batman is the greatest superhero of all time. No debate.
@@spiralanimations7736 Anything and everything comes after Batman. Fact not an opinion
@@achyuththouta6957 As a Diehard Batman fans, you sound like a fanboy
@@achyuththouta6957 nah he isn't
They make The MCU spiderman seem like he doesn't have any super powers... Makes him feel like he's just using his suit.. The organic webs were amazing
Because fuck the Hydro-Man scene in Far From Home, am I right? Or that scene in Homecoming where he leaps over a tall gate?
Imagine thinking organic webbing was a good concept…
@@thefilmwatcher1302 you make a pretty good point actually.. Im a pretty big fan of the MCU's spiderman don't get me wrong. I just think its cool when they show off peter being peter. The only time they show off him without the OVERPOWERED stark/iron spider suit is very minor but when it happens its cool. They need to improve that
Organic webs ruin spiderman. Spiderman is supposed to be smart. They never really show how smart tobey is. The fact that toms spidey was able to create his own webbing and web shooters is impressive at 15 years old. What happened to the boat scene or the scene with him lifting a destroyed building while buried in it or perhaps the scene where he steered a plane with his webs and strength. Dont forget about the spider sense scene in far from home. It feels like people just choose not to see these things and thats why people dislike toms spidey.
@@gaelick i dont really dislike toms spidey i actually love it. I feel in some ways they make him look either too weak or too overpowered sometimes. Also Tobeys spiderman focused more on his "daily bugle" stuff and they only highlighted how smart he was in spiderman 3 but it was done horribly and mostly forgotten
I know. That's why I stick with Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire.
I totally agree Raini Spider man's are way better then mcu spiderman because the mcu f*uck spiderman movies
@@Nickwilde2295 couldn't have put it better myself, friend. 😊
The problem with the Home coming/Far from Home movies is that this Spider-Man is learning how to be the hero he should be from Tony Stark instead of himself… that’s the direction they choose to take to introduce him in the MCU instead of having him already been established or at least smart, skilled and resourceful enough to do things by himself… he’s more like poor man’s Spider-Man than anything else… hopefully “No way Home” will be better, which is probably why they are bringing back the Tobey and Andrew, because they were better depiction of the character and had superiors stories and a good understanding of what it takes to be that superhero than “Spider-Teen”.
Did you forget the entire premise of homecoming? where tony literally says to NOT be like him, and where peter literally learns to listen to himself and become his own hero
@Oof how? he abandons his whole idea of wanting to become an avenger because he becomes his own hero
Tom Holland is just a Spider-Man/peter Parker variant, the others still exist in their own universes, as seen in Spider-Man no way home so ur problem is that the youngest Spider-Man variant is the least mature? BRUHHHHHHHHH
Man’s really hating that an alternate reality is not the same as the previous 2 realities of the previous variants… BRUHHH
I think u should make another video now that No way home is out and changed everything
nwh made this entire video redundant
What do you mean, it made it redundant?
I really give up and forget about this Spider-Man, if they reboot again i just hope they make good like Spectacular Spider-Man show or Raimi Trilogy.
No.
@@gadopalmer9148 yes i do.
don't worry they will reboot spider-man. It's inevitable.
I hope they adapt the ultimate Spider-Man universe
@@RingsideSumo well i hope not because that's isn't really unique to the character, tasm did an amazing job for make classic with modern, but we need the classic ditko-lee and romita sr again, Speacially in the movies.
Little does he know all this was a build up for Spiderman no way home
No Way Home just trashed on this whole video lmao
I dunno why people are using "ACKTUALLY NO WAY HUM3" argument, it took like 3 freaking movies for MCU SpiderMan to learn something other Spider Men learned in thr first 20 minutes of their own movies.
@Erik Kemeey yah, is true and you know it, Tobey and Andrew Parkers learned what responsability means in the first 20 minutes of their first movies.
Holland Parker stupidity not only almost destroyed London but also almost caused a whole multiversal crisis for acting like a chimpmunk on crack and not shutting his mouth.
Lets hope he is far less childish and stupid in his next trilogy.
@Erik Kemeey Kid / = / consciously stupid decisions. This Peter makes his own web fluid for chirst sake.
@Erik Kemeey Dude being a kid doesn’t change it. The point of Spider-Man is that he literally has to grew up way earlier than anyone else around him something Holland's Spider-Man only did at the end of his third movie
@Erik Kemeey You don’t read Comics do you old man
This video aged very poorly after No Way Home
Not really, no one could have predicted what the plan was for spiderman going forward, hell I thought they were going to stick with spiderman inheriting a good chunk of tony's tech and get special treatment with his company, and if they did then cycinide wouldve been right that they didnt get spiderman right at the fundementals. NWH makes me happy that he is finally gonna be the spiderman we all know and love, and Im sure cycinide feels similar. We all thought we were skipping spidermans origin and getting to the good stuff fast in homecoming when in reality we were watching peter become spiderman the whole time.
Yeah I guess you're right, but the point of spiderman is that he can grow and change just like us. The progress and development of a spiderman character makes it spiderman. I feel like the MCU knows exactly what they're doing and they're trying their best to get their characters as close to the comics as possible.
I have good news that many of these problems get fixed in this last movie No Way Home
with iteration of spider-man he's not really spider-man he's iron man jr
Well Peter Parker was human torch jr in the comics so there's that
The MCU clearly doesn’t understand Spider-Man at all. How can anyone be a true Spider-Man fan to think Tom’s depiction of Spider-Man is the most comic book accurate?
Anyways, here’s my opinion on the best versions of Spider-Man:
- Tobey Maguire Spider-Man (Sam Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy)
- Yuri Lowenthal Spider-Man (Spider-Man PS4)
- Comic Spider-Man (60s-90s Spider-Man Comics/Ultimate Spider-Man/616 Spider-Man)
- Josh Keaton Spider-Man (Spectacular Spider-Man)
- Christopher Daniel Barnes Spider-Man (90s Spider-Man The Animated Series)
Garfield in my opinion wasn’t bad but I don’t think he was great. And don’t mind the dislikes, you are 100% correct. MCU never even had a Spider-Man, they’ve just had an Iron Boy Jr.
@Andrew Casali I’ve always had great taste in Spider-Man. In my opinion, Comic Spider-Man is really underrated. I think the best comic versions of Spider-Man are 60s-90s Spider-Man comics, Ultimate Spider-Man, and 616 Spider-Man.
But then again, the people who Think Tom Holland is the best and most comic accurate Spider-Man (possibly could be fangirls) probably didn’t know who Spider-Man was before Civil War and think he only appears in movies.
Was the Raimi trilogy your first introduction to Spider-Man?
Mcu fans- ''tom" he's just a kid!
Tobey maguire (the real spiderman) - gonna cry?👍
Great taste dude agreed
i like mcu spider man tho
This video aged so badly 😅
only because you saw last movie and make some wrong assumptions in your head?
@@oleguzumaki the last movie literally makes the whole video obsolete. But it was mostly right when it came out.
@@dezpinosa how ?
Aged like milk
Tom Holland is now a valid Spider-Man he’s not iron boy jr anymore
Took him long enough...
@@harrambou9468 how bro, “iron boy jr” thing makes absolutely no sense at all
@@luckigoon He fought villains that hated Iron Man.
He isn't and will never be.
@@luckigoon it makes complete sense
The first red flag was every major Spidey villain having a grudge with Tony Stark
What abt now?
Well I guess No way home kinda disproves this theory of yours 🤷 or challenges it at least 🙂
The movie did not do it right and made me dislike this trilogy even worse. If u really break it down he went to dr strange to cast a spell they new could break the universe or whatever(I don’t watch mcu very much) over his college admissions. And I also don’t like how he tried to cure the villains there villains for a reason
@@CocoButter06 yh I get where your coming from some stuff in the movie were a bit meh for me as well like it felt like lizard and sandman were kinda irrelevant to the story or were just not given enough interactions with Spiderman and I still don't get why sandman turned evil again. Also lizard looked a little off me in this one as imo he looked better and more realistic in tasm 1.
Tbh they ruined his storyline in mcu theres no mention of uncle ben no gravestone not even a flashback of uncle ben and there's no oscorp so where did the spider that bit him come from
Uncle Ben was never really important in the comics anyway. It's the raimi films making you think that
@@okand6770 not just raimi movies also the marc webbs spider man and the animated shows
But today MCU took everything from Spiderman and made his lifestyle just like Andrew and Tobey Maguire
People don't get that MCU Spidey was introduced as a highschooler. He's way younger than his other counter parts which go to college. The theme/lesson of homecoming was exactly to teach Peter that he can't just rely on the suit to do everything for him. MCU Peter has a character development arc through the entire trilogy, which ends now with no way home where he becomes the spiderman we know and love from the comics. The origin changed but the character is the same.
Not Andrew Andrew never had money problem
@@MrDeykar 100% ys
Tom holland would be great if they made him struggle to be Spiderman, we never see him struggle to stay in school and work a part time job and be Spider-Man at the same time, we never see him frustrated by being Spider-Man but still taking up the suit because he has to, we see small bits but they don't leave the impact of a struggling superhero teenager who does what he does because he can't just sit down a let people get hurt even if it ruins his life, that my friends is why tobeys Spider-Man was so loved, a real hero.
All we see is Tom struggling not to make shit worse for everybody all while wanting to be Iron Man.
Until the very end of No Way Home. Yay.
Hasn't that already been done?
You had some good points but NWH kinda ruined all your points. Yeah Tom Holland is now a TRUE spider man
I didn't get that from NWH. The plot did him no justice and he still doesn't have a scene that truly defines him as Spiderman, much less a Hero.
@@kojoyamoah414 I have to disagree. Unlike the other iterations of Spider-Man, where they had only one movie to set up their origin story. This new spider-man uses three movies. At the endo of NWH, peter has finally come into his own. There is no more Iron Man to help him.
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No more Aunt May, no more Ned. He is now alone, he is poor and he has learnt how to be a true hero. That is a true spider-man.
@@cumbong238 and they had to retcon for that to happen with a stupid spell so the last 3 movies are irrelevant now, great 'writing'. Spiderman PS4 gets the character more somehow? Idk hopefully next 3 movies fix this mess
@@StevoStaple mess? Bruh what are you on?
@@cumbong238 these 3 movies are so run of the mil popcorn. In a few years no one is going to remember them. Very forgettable. I'm not on anything just wish we would get Spiderman as good as Sam Raimi again. A director who is passionate about the character
Here after No Way Home, he’s Spider-Man now.
I just hate that it took 6 movies for that
No Way Home didn't fixed anything. Sorry Tom Holland fangirls. Just bcoz an uninteresting and a boring character died and Tom did a bad acting of crying doesn't makes him best Spiderman. They forcefully put consequences to make him best. He became Spiderman in the end. He is not Iron Boy jr. But now we can say that he is the worst adaptation of Spiderman. Nothing close to Tobey and Andrew or PS4 game.
They forcefully wrote him strong in the movie. Made him cry in every sec to show "Oh look he is suffering. He is best". Gave him plot armor. Copied Raimi, Webbs and PS4 fight scenes. Trying to gave him depth. MCU Spiderman sucks. Deal with it. Gave him the best Spidersense scene instead of giving to Tobey or Andrew.
What
One of the best opinions I have heard , Im sure no one was that emotion struck at Aunt May's death and no on was really that shocked by seeing the world forget Peter Parker, people are just calling the movie a masterpiece because of Tobey and Andrew , and props to you for mentioning the PS4 Spiderman , he is the best for me
No way home fixed literally all of this that movie is fuckin great.
Had some plot holes and bad cgi but okay💀
Delete this.
Tom holland feels like side character in his own movies
@Chopper well he's always under the shadow of tony stark/iron man which is contradictory to the character of spider man being his own man, all of his villains are indirect, meaning that they dont have any conflict with peter/spidey but have it with iron man, i mean... they literally have to use already established villains from the past films like doc ock (spider man 2), electro (tasm 2), sandman (spider man 3), lizard (tasm) etc. You get it?
This video just aged horribly after watching No Way Home 🤷🏽♂️😂
Just because NWH gets it right doesn't mean the others do as well
@@notAburner.promise Yes. I consider NWH on the same boat as Revenge of the Siths. Revenge of the Siths is a pretty good movie on its own, but it didn’t make The Phantom Menace nor Attack of the Clones any better.
Completely agree with this video! Spiderman just doesn't feel the same as he does in every other Spiderman media, for all the reasons you mentioned. No Way Home did do a good thing basically removing his connection to the Avengers and Stark but to be honest I'm still not the biggest fan and I don't think it justified how they set him up in the first place.
Another point I haven't seen many people mention (at least in this comments section) is how a lot of his story beats are actually very similar to Miles Morales' story. I'm not that familiar with the comics so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but from my understanding Miles was: thrown into a conflict that he wasn't ready for, is trying to live up to another superhero's legacy (Peter Parker Spiderman), attends a prestigous science academy and has an Asian best friend (who acts as his "guy in the chair"), have everyone in his circle know he's Spiderman and have his suit given to him by someone else. These are all pretty much the same thing that happens to MCU Peter.
What I'm trying to say is that another reason why I don't like MCU Peter is because it isn't a Peter Parker story, the writers just took points from Miles' story and gave it to Peter. Maybe it was a coincidence who knows but the points are so similar it doesn't feel like it is. I do appreciate they were trying something new but it really feels like they just ripped off Miles' story instead of using the rich amount of material Peter has and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. A shame because I do think Tom Holland is a good Spiderman but his story and how they set him up really ruins it for me.
First of have u read ultimate spiderman
That spider man was a teenager
And also he created his own homemade suit
And if you think he does not act independent in the movies then you are wrong
Sounds like a u problem.
Lol, I just watched no way home and that movie fixes all these issues.
After watching nwh i realised that the mcu knows exactly who spider-man is.. instead of getting a half hour origin story they gave us an origin trilogy to empathise way more with tom hollands spider-man. And i am thankful for this decision
In homecoming he was given everything and used it irresponsibly and learned to appreciate what he was given
In far from home he was given even more and tried to give away his responsibility out of fear of that responsibility
In no way home he had everything taken away from him and realises that despite that he still has his own power and that power came with the ultimate responsibility and at that point he became spiderman
@@miltain If you want the movies you’ve already had, why not watch those? That mindset is why we hardly get any new, original content these days. With Spider-Man they at least did the reboot in a different way: “What if Stark recruited young Peter and made him an Avenger?” That whole arc takes a few movies yea and now a new arc will come and I for one hope it will be yet another interpretation of the character and not just a retread of the basic “Peter goes to college” story
@@miltain you clearly know nothing about storytelling nor character development lol
@@miltain I wasn’t aware I was talking to the Authority on Interesting, excuse me. Millions upon millions thoroughly enjoyed this version of Peter, so again: Just go watch those perfect movies you had already gotten in the past and let the people who own the IP do what they wanna do. Nobody is forcing you into the fucking theater
thx for beeing respectful guys! I for myself love every movie no matter if its tobey, andrew or tom.
This video aged like organic milk
I fundamentally disagree with that kill bill scene. Superman grew up on Earth as clark kent
The video literally agrees with you and acknowledges that it mischaracterizes Superman.
@@hkr0065 did i say that
But that's the point,Bill is a psycopath,he sees superman the same way Lex Luthor seems superman,his entire dialogue is much like some of Luthor's monologue about superman.
@@lordanonimmo7699 possibly
@@daftbanna7202 Yes
nwh is the movie that tom spidey becomes real spiderman and i also think that the guy made this video changed his mind. tom is not using tech suits anymore. hes not mcu spiderman anymore.
They fixed it :)
Well now that , No way home is released make a video about the current situation!!
Mcu ruined everything. They ruined spiderman. Idk why people love Tom Holland so much
This aged like a milk
Maybe make an update to this video after no way home. I think moving forward after that movie will resolve some if not all your problems with mcu spidy
Well they just fixed it.
This didn’t age well
Sure it did. NWH was shit
This didnt age well
No way home shows mcu understands spiderman
No Way Home changed spiderman from just another MCU character to actually Spider-Man. he's back to being a nobody as Peter Parker, he buys his own place, and he makes his own generic suit. they made Spider-Man feel like Spider-Man
“I have always preferred Sam Raimi’s interpretation of Spiderman”
Me: I like that.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of teenage girls suddenly cried out in terror
He became Spider-Man after no way home
all the MCU spiderman movies suck no way home included. they have the acting and writing of a made for TV Disney movie.
Well, after watching NWH it seems Marvel does after all ;)
Are you sure about this?
Or you are just under the impression from the movie and can't think clearly?
@@oleguzumaki did you not see the last scene?
I love how he says Tom Holland is shorter and when in fact Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire are both 5’8
But holland look like a 12 years old kid
look up their height
i think both of them are 5'7 actually, google often exaggerates actors height
@Anastasia's Secret 6 years ago he look the same as today lol
Would love an updated video after no way home
Should update now that Tom IS Spider-Man
The past 2 movies were setting up this transform of Peter Parker so honestly it seems like they were just misunderstood
NWH just settled for making him an idiot and ripping off of Spider-Man PS4 at the end...
No improvements made apart from a MAJOR overcompensation lol, he only became a "real" Spider-Man through literally having two older versions of himself tell him to do so
So forced...
You wrote a paragraphs just to hate 💀
Couldn't agree more
@@lazerxrr So if he defended MCU Spider-Man would it be a paragraph of dickriding? Nah because you ride Tom too.
,Mcu peter is basically a white miles morales, he has a fat asian friend and a black girlfriend, he doesnt make his own suit until no way home, he has everything handed to him and he feels like a sidekick and not his own hero. I think Tobey is Classic Spider-Man and Andrew is Modern Day Spider-Man
I agree, but it's difficult to completely commit to a character that you don't own the movie rights to. I understand why the MCU went in this direction. Someone told me after watching NWH that all the movies were his origin story.
It’s not an origin it is a soft reboot. This is yet another excuse that delusional MCU stans throw up to deflect any and all criticism
@@Awesomemusic19 lol
bruh
you shouldnt have to be told that, any background built prior to the present is considered to be an origin story. Youve never heard of a director making retcons? He obviously heard all of the complaints of the Tony Stark Jr. Spiderman. The other movies are a complete 180 from this one.
@@Awesomemusic19 Thank you, I loved No Way Home and it addressed most if not all of my issues with this Spider-Man however, what I find frustrating is how dome people act like it was somehow always planned and all these complaints about MCU Spider-Man over the last few years have been somehow prematurely made because we weren't patient enough.
It's clearly a retcon that was designed to be written in a way that addresses the past while addressing the criticisms this interpretation has received; comics do it all the time (although usually with more flawed execution).
It's not our job as fans of the character and audiences to somehow assume that he's going to mold into the Spider-Man we know 4 years from now.