The 90s animated series was my introduction to Spiderman! My favorite moment at that time was actually the Man-Spider episodes where Peter further mutated and grew 4 additional arms!
Yeah for me it was both the Raimi movies and reruns of the 90s animated series is what introduced me to the world and characters of the Wall Crawling Web Swinger
The Six-Arm Spider-Man then further mutation into Man-Spider is my favorite storyline. I've always wished a live action movie, probably with Raimi as it would be in his wheelhouse. Take it almost as far as Jeff Goldblum in The Fly. Really show that there is a fine line between swinging around as you friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and a terrifying monster. It'll probably never happen until Spider-Man enters the public domain though. The original Spider-verse at the end of the show was also great.
The alien suit also took him out crime fighting at night during the period he wore it. It liked being Spider-Man. This aspect has been more or less forgotten. Also during that period Spider-Man's life falling apart was very much related to Black Cat accidentally hexing him with her bad luck powers. It didn't make him angry. The bad luck powers did. And rightfully so. The animated series kind of used that aspect but without Black Cat. Also Eddie Brock being disgraced over the sin eater was a retcon and the show made the wise decision of making him be an actual character before he became Venom
I honestly interpreted it taking Spider-Man out at night to fight while he was asleep as more of an efficiency thing like it knows Peter goes out to fight criminals so it's going to get that out of the way while he sleeps in that way it thinks it's helping it's host. I also absolutely love the change that the animated series made in having the suit Make him angry, giving him a very good reason to not want to have it It makes it less external about black cat's Bad luck powers and makes it an internal realization of the classic "with great power comes great responsibility"
@@klaykid117 I think I prefer the original take. It doesn't make him stronger or more angry, it's just robbing him of control when he's asleep. It makes the relationship more of a toxic love than a clear "this thing is bad". I prefer the ambiguity.
@@klaykid117 Well it did start doing that after Peter offhandedly wished he could do so, so I consider it a mix of both reasons. What most adaptions get wrong about Venom is they're anti-villains at the start and go on to become anti-heroes then full on heroes. I absolutely despise it and feel its a major reason why most adaptions of Venom are unfaithful and horrible IMO. It allowed writers to be lazy and pigeonhole Venom into just being a one note villain, thus now most people think that is what the character is actually like.
One additional aspect from the show that I actually preferred to the comics was the reason Eddie and the symbiote chose the name Venom in the first place was because, in their own words: "From now one we're poison to Peter Parker and Spider-Man. That's why we call ourselves Venom." I think that's much more effective than Eddie saying that because he was "spewing venom when he was a reporter" and for that reason he would call himself that.
I always loved the "how about that guy from Aerosmith" refrance when Peter's having the symbiote dress him since Joe Perry (the guy from Aerosmith he's talking about) wrote the theme.
Raimi and company were clearly fans as this also introduced the idea of Doctor Octopus being an older teacher of Peter's, as well as some subtle Green Goblin elements.
I always appreciated how Spider-Man TAS had Peter already out of High School. It’s kinda strange that a lot of adaptations focus on the teenage years despite that being a fairly short period of Spider-man’s history Also Happy New Years everyone! 🎉🍾
That’s thanks to Ultimate Spider-Man. All adaptations before that he was in college. All adaptions after it he’s in high school. Why that book had such an impact I don’t know.
Spidey was married almost as long as he was single. Peter as an adult is a huge part of Spidey. The most important things to happen to him happened after college. Even the Venture Bros. parody was based around how this guy cannot seem to get out of school.
I always liked how Chip Zdarsky interpreted the symbiote. It's genuinely trying to help Peter and it's Peter's own hidden dark side that influences it to be more violent. I feel like that's more compelling than it just being inherently evil.
IMO If we're going to keep going forward with Venom being a hero this is the way to do it. I wish Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 had taken that idea and ran with it, I think the "Peter corrupts the symbiote" narrative is more interesting since it makes Peter have to face aspects of himself he doesn't like.
The only bad thing about this story, I would call the consequences of the perception of the symbiote. He wasn't a villain. He just wanted to help, and then Eddie influenced him a lot. But the media perception of the symbiote began to make him an independent villain, and only in the era of Agent Venom, they began to work with all this, making a full-fledged character out of the symbiote, with their own problems that he wants to solve, and indicating that it did not want to create villains, it only gave an opportunity. Eddie openly admitted that all Venom's sins were his sins, because he always had a choice of what to do, and he chose the bad. I would really like to look at a version of the story where Peter was able to initially find a common language with the symbiote, especially after Ewing indicated that Peter should be the King in Black, not Eddie.
I liked how Spectacular Spider-man show incorporated the fact that the symbiote was taking his body out in his sleep like the comics. Combining reasons as why Peter feels he needs to ditch the symbiote.
Definitely saw the series first so I thought the personality change was in comics already. It's amazing how well the show writers managed to meld all those stories together and then add complementing story facets on top of it. Spider-Man TAS rules. I'd love another video on the show, especially about characters like Kingpin or Black Cat and how they differed from where they were in comics. Thanks for this video!
I like that the Symbiote changed Peter to be more aggressive, but I don’t like that the Symbiote did it just “because it’s evil”. I wish the Symbiote itself was characterized more. This is an idea coming with massive amounts of hindsight, but since the Klyntar are supposed to be protectors (if I recall correctly) and we know that the venom Symbiote was relatively young as it hadn’t reproduced ever until after arriving on Earth, that the Symbiote made the mistake of taking the Red Hood approach to crime fighting after seeing Peter’s rogues escape prison and continue to cause damage and risk lives. Thus, in an effort to be a more effective protector, it increased Peter’s aggression so that he would kill his villains (becoming a lethal protector if you will). Also I think the Symbiote needs a name. “Venom Symbiote” makes it seem like an item like the iron man armour, and not the individual it is. Can’t call the Symbiote Venom because it isn’t Venom, “WE are Venom”. Call it Alex or something IDK.
I think one thing that gets missed a lot in adaptation is that in the comics Peter was a bit of a jerk to began with. In a lot of adaptations the alien suit seems not to just enhance negative traits but to create them to began with as Peter is more kind and wholesome without it.
Alien costume on the Spider-man animated series was my first introduction to the story and it was the best interpretation that I've seen or read. It would have been great if it was expanded but it was great to me nonetheless.
Venom as a character also reinforced the complaint from fans who opposed the new costume was that it didn’t fit Spider-Man’s character - it was too “dark” and Spider-Man isn’t Batman or even Daredevil. When you work with the idea of the costume as “wrong” from the start, the black costume then fits the theme of “corrupting” Peter.
I do like how Spectacular Spider-Man combined both the personality change, and the symbiote taking Peter's body out for a spin in their adaptation of the story. That quiet fight against the Sinister Six was EPIC!!
Spider-Man TAS is a great series! It can feel rushed in terms of pacing but the quality of the stories being told are consistently good. The series also deserves recognition for introducing the idea of portraying Norman Osborn and Green Goblin being two distinct but overlapping personas, which was used again in the Sam Raimi movies.
Same as having Norman Osborn being a loving, if distant, father. I kinda want more of that because all we got of Norman having these traits is this, insomniac, and 2017 Spider-Man.
When I saw the Hooded Justice twist in Watchmen (2019) I immediately thought of the Black Marvel from the "6 Forgotten Warriors" episodes of The Amazing Spiderman cartoon
It's hard not to read those things back into the original issues in a post-Venom world. The truly messed up relationship the symbiote has with Eddie can't help but make a person see every little action during Peter's tenure with the costume as something more than it originally was. The last time I read through them, I kept anticipating more of this concept than I got. The 1994 show was very entertaining at the time (though its jarring pace and intrusive score keep it from holding up quite as well as BTAS and X-Men), and it deserves credit for modifying the story in this way, but at the same time, it feels like such an obvious decision that it's hard to imagine a world in which the show didn't take that route. (On second thought, it's easy to imagine the censors objecting to it. They were determined to ruin that show!)
The change makes way more sense than the original symbiote storyline imo (tbf I grew up with it so I'm biased). I can understand not wanting to wear a living organism, but the only bad thing that it was doing taking Peter's body for a joyride while he was asleep.
This show is everything. Love the classic comic feel of this animated series. The 90s series still has the best incarnation of the Kingpin outside of the Earth- 616 comics in my opinion. Also, love the Doctor Octopus in this series, but i always wanted him to lead the Insidious Six instead of just being apart of it.
90s animated series was my generation's Spider-man, along with the 60s TV series. My favorite part of 90s Spider-man was the introduction of Carnage. Which later lead to a plot point where Spider-man bonds with the Carnage Symbiote, thus becoming Spider-Carnage. Along with him meeting Madam-Web. Which was trippy as hell!
Ahh Secret Wars, I was so heavy into comic buying in the era, I think I was 12 at the time. Which led me to my life long love of comics. Some great memories
“Spider blood, spider blood, radioactive spider blood” is something that I sing to myself regularly. Plus, it's a nice nod the the 60s song❤. Christopher Daniel Barnes is great in this show. Great vid as always, Sasha🙏🏼
I have read a long time ago an annual of "Amazing Spider-Man" from 2018, and it is a story from symbiote's perspective. It has an original story and shows how symbiote loved Peter, wanted to help him, and how he felt betrayed because his friend hurt him and abandoned him. And knowing now that he wasn't originally effecting Peter in any way, I want them to work together again. Like, I don't hate or dislike what we got (Venom's stories, Carnage, another symbiotes, Knull) but I would love to see the universe where symbiote stayed with Peter and didn't ate/corrupted him. I would even love to see it in MCU but it won't likely to happen.
This is reminding me of when I worked somewhere and they overhauled our inventory system, and the new one was filled with bugs and a ton of things that just didn't even begin to work right, and every time we came to this one particular manager to point out something that was worse now, she'd just shut us down with, "you all just hate change."
It’s never spoken of but the series also had a huge effect on Blade, see originally Blade was a half human half vampire however he had no supernatural powers instead he was born with a biological enzyme that made him immune to vampire bites. Then in ‘96 the series introduced Blade as a half vampire with all the strengths of a vampire without the weakness and fought with Spider-Man against Morbius, the script for the episode was given by Avi Arad to David Goyer who was writing and in early production for the Blade movie which released in ‘98, Goyer kept the idea for the power set the character had in the cartoon but did not have in the comics. Goyer also invented the character of Whistler however after reading the shows script a deal was struck for the show to use Whistler in the story making the show the first ever appearance of the character who was created for a movie that would not be released for another 2 years after his initial appearance. Then to bring it full circle in ‘99 in Peter Parker Spider-Man #8 Spider-Man and Blade have teamed up against a returned Morbius (Blade now looking like his movie counterpart) and Blade is bitten by Morbius, as Morbius is not a true vampire Blades enzymes do not protect him as they would for normal vampire bites and this bite grants him the power set he had in both the cartoon and movie for the first time in comics as well as Blade becoming the Daywalker. So had it not been for the series introducing Blade it’s is likely there would not have been a Blade movie to begin with and we would not have the current comic version of Blade (who now has full vampire powers) that we have today.
Since in the original comic the Symbiot wasn’t making him evil, I want to see a Spider-Man that was able to work it out with the suit and see it stick around
Thanks so much for this. I read the original Alien costume Saga and didn't mind the adaptation in the 90s Spider-Man comic. I was a little miffed when they made the same adaptation in Spider-Man 3. Mainly because I felt bully Maguire was a terrible idea. Then I noticed they're using the SAME 'costume makes Peter more aggressive' trope in the Spider-Man 2 game. I mean...didn't ANYONE read the original storyline!?! The costume didn't make Peter more aggressive!
ngl ithink the funny part of this is seeing panels of spiderman in his black fabric suit out of context and assuming it was the symbiote in effect when in reality it was somewhere else at that time
Wow. I think this was the best and most concise synopsis of Venom's origins that I ever heard. Thank you! I actually stopped reading Spider-Man back in the day around the time Venom was introduced. There was just too much Venom and Hobgoblin oversaturation at that time. But this actually did manage to recapture the feeling of reading back then! Once again, thank you! I'll also definetly check out Spider-Man TAS now too!
This is a great example of why I think animation is the ultimate form for superhero comics to take. Not only can animation keep up with the fantastical visuals of comics, but it’s also a really great way to condense storylines and lore in to more streamlined versions of themselves. It’s hard to trim the fat when you’re working on stories month to month that get handed off to different writers all the time compared to a writers room that can plan what they want out of a season. Also I didn’t know this was a change but to be fair I also didn’t know Morbius’s sucker hands were a cartoon change until the Morbius movie happened
I love the thematic ideas of the Symbiote suit, because it's a way to explore a good person at their worst...and how they can atone for what they've done and take accountability. It could also serve as a nod to addiction, and as a person currently trying to recover from an addiction...I feel more emotionally affected by it. Great final video for the year. Happy 2024!
This is purely based on nostalgia, Spider-Man TAS was my intro to Spider-Man and I watched it religiously, but I think the personality changes brought by the Symbiote were a great addition. And I'm surprised to hear the series didn't leave an impression on more people. Until Yuri Lowenthal came along it was Chris Barnes' voice I heard every time I read Spider-Man.
I have to disagree, Venom's time as villain was far more complex than other revenge based villains (he had a sense of morality, so only targeting Peter not MJ or May) and brief. To the point Eddie has been a good guy longer than he ever has been a villain. This retcon does multiple things that ultimately harm the characters, first and foremost other lesser adaptions use it as cudgel to pigeonhole Venom into just being a villain, (usually they'll go even further with this to make Venom the villain of a plot they stopped in the comics or a monster) denying the characters the growth they were allowed in the comics and one of Peter's allies that don't require going to the Avengers, X-Men, etc. Secondly, it ruins the symbiosis between Eddie and the symbiote. The symbiote is supposed to be its own thinking character, that doesn't want to force its hosts to do things they don't want to do. Finally it whitewashes Peter's involvement, Peter's time with the symbiote fell apart due to a misunderstanding (the symbiote thought Peter really did want to fight crime as he slept when he offhandedly wished for it) and a genuine human reaction that cloud's everyone's best judgements, fear. So Peter is not allowed to be in the wrong, hes not allowed to hold a grudge for Venom's villain days that Flash of all people has to call him out on because that makes Peter look bad. Even though one of the appeals of Spider-Man (heck Marvel as a whole) is hes written to be human instead of a ideal.
I love how so many UA-camrs explain origins of the black suit but ever go I depth of the context of how costume and symbiote came to be. I’m truly impressed
My older brother and I watched the 90s cartoon religiously waiting for the alien costume. When it finally aired, I ran to his room to tell him so he could record the episode on his VCR. I grew up with my two older brothers reading their comics to me, doing different voices for different characters and dramatically reading the sound effects aloud. Spidey was wearing the black and white costume when they were reading to me, so I grew up thinking he'd always worn that suit and the red and blue was the new costume. I can still vividly remember three covers for the black and white suit: one where Spidey is hanging upside down in a black room and the Lizard is standing in the light of an open doorway, one where Spidey is swinging in front of the Statue of Liberty at night and one where Spidey is being drowned by a giant purple robot with a yellow sky in the background. Personally, I dislike the symbiote having the negative impact on people. It seems like enough to me that it was an alien lifeform and Peter wanted it off of him because it was trying to permanently attach itself to him. I loved Venom as a kid in the early/ mid 90s, but the storytelling with the symbiotes just got really out there for me by the late 90s. Me and my friend David used to play like we had symbiotes of our own, but I always wanted Venom because it would look like the black and white Spidey suit.
grew up watching 90s Spider-Man and I still think it is one of the best Spider-Man series out there. many of the 90s animated series were really well written and at least to me, still are the GOAT for their series. X-Men TAS, Batman TAS, Spider-Man TAS all top notch cartoons that had their own share of problems sure, but still some of the best animated versions we've gotten. one of my favourite moments in 90s Spider-Man was when he was dealing with his decision to remain or give up being Spider-Man. but after talking to a sick girl, his resolve was strengthened. one of my favourite parts of that moment was his explanation of how he knew how to make his web fluid.
STAS was a part of my childhood and my main introduction to Marvel and Spider-Man as a whole! I haven't read many comics (minus Agent Venom and Gwenpool), but I always loved the animated shows of both Marvel and DC! The Symbiote Arc is my absolute favorite arc of the animated Spidey verse ever! And created my love for Heroes struggling with their dark side!
I really loved the 1994 cartoon for its serialized storytelling in an era where that was pretty rare for animated series outside of Japan as well as its many Marvel guest stars.
I was born in 1995, so this cartoon was an essential piece of my love for the character. I was that stereotypical kid who had a Spider-Man halloween costume and wore it every time I watched it this show on TV or VHS lol. The black suit saga was one of my favorites, screaming Christopher Daniel Barnes and all lol.
Someone's probably already mentioned it, the reason the alien costume changes into "the rocker" clothes when Peter's trying different clothes changes is because Joe Perry, the guitarist from the band Aerosmith, played the electric guitar for the series' theme song. That's why they play that brief clip of the electric guitar from the theme song and Peter says, "What about that guy from Aerosmith."
I don't know if Peter was in his black suit or the symbiote, but one comics issue that went well with the "Peter's becoming unhinged" plot was the one where he fights Firelord and goes overboard, beating the one time herald of Galactus senseless.
Spider Man TAS was my introduction to some of Marvel characters like Blade, Punisher, Captain America etc plus that intro theme is iconic. Also, I didn't know that Christopher Daniel Barnes voiced Prince Eric in the animated Little Mermaid film.
Wow, great video. I got into Spider-Man through the cartoon in the '90s when I was a kid and have been reading Spider-Man comics ever since. Even still I get the two different origins mixed up. It's really interesting how they created a real unique amalgamation and condensed all of that for the cartoon.
I loved this series. It made me genuinely afraid of venom as a villain and when I found out what he did to Mary Jane totally understood why he stopped wearing the black suit
Yess this show was it! I grew up watching this and reruns of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. It works out so nicely to see you covering this show and Brave & the Bold, since I'm revisiting them.
Spider-Man TAS was my introduction to the character and I absolutely loved it. The symbiote arc was absolutely epic to me, and my first instance of truly must see tv. My dad, grandfather, and myself went fishing one Saturday every single month. I flatly refused to go only once, when the conclusion to the symbiote arc was going to air that same day.
I definitely watched the 90s Spider-Man cartoon: I was still in highschool when it started. They still had Saturday morning cartoons back then! And yes, I do remember that they added the part about the symbiote lightening Peter's aggression.
I've been rewatching this recently! The show is over all pretty great but I do think they create some unnecessary pacing issues for themselves by squeezing in one too many stories sometimes. But I remembered noticing some of those pacing issues when I was a kid too.
What a nice time to talk about the main antagonist of Insomniac's Spider-Man 2. And man, this show turns 30 this coming November. I agree with the 'No more Null (Knull?)' sentiment.
Spider-Man TAS and Amazing Friends of Spider-Man are my first Spider-Man shows and the show adding that bit was a great idea also the dream beginning was fantastic
BEST episode of 90s Spider-Man...The Mutant Agenda & Mutant's Revenge! That two-parter was the first time I geeked out. The 90s X-Men teaming with Spider-Man and WITH the X-Men theme!
Fun fact about the electric guitar during the shows intro theme, that is Joe Perry from Aerosmith playing the guitar. Shuki Levi who composed the music/themes for Power Rangers, X-Men, & Digimon composed the music & Joe Perry contacted him & wanted to play the guitar parts. Perry played the guitar and improved/added some stuff & it became the theme song. The reason Joe Perry did it was because he’s a Spider-Man fan & wanted to contribute to Spider-Man in someway
I will always say Spectacular is the best adaptation of the character, but it's kinda crazy how many things from the 90's cartoon almost seem default to many people. Probably a big part in this plays the fact Sam Raimi must've been a fan of the series, as his Spider-Man trilogy takes stuff from it. Green Goblin being a split peronality, Peter knowing Otto Octavius before his viallain days (even having a mentor-student relationship) and the alien suit turning Peter "emo" as well as it being a rock from space (sometimes brought back by John Jameson). None of these were ever a thing in the 616 continuity. 11:32 You mean Joe Perry of Aerosmith, they guy who did the whole "spider blood, spider blood" intro theme?
The 90s cartoons of Spiderman, Batman, Supes, and the X-Men were my introduction to all these characters. This particular story line was a favorite of mine for many reasons one of which was I thought the suit and the change to Peter where awesome and as a kinda nerdy loner I wanted that, then I saw that it was making him a villain and no one not even my 8 yr old self wants to be a villain. Flash forward to me having the means and connections to comics and read the story's that I loved from the shows and there's a difference but like you I saw the shows influence in the original when it was the other way. Though I don't always comment I love all your videos the amount of time and effort I greatly appreciate it shows with the love with which you speak. Thanks PS love the wigs :)
"He left the suit in the sink and had nothing else to where." Dear god, Spider-Man IS the most relatable super hero. And I appreciate him even more. And I love how angry he looked. Not at himself, but like...as if he's blaming the suit for getting itself wet.
It’s rare that someone throws a Spider-Man fact at me that I did not know before but that makes perfect sense and I am so glad you did the research on that because I definitely came to the animated show first
7:26 Theme songs were the best from about 1986 - 1995!!! I can still hear the guitar 🎸 in my head! Want to argue with the validity of this statement? Listen to the X-Men theme from 92. Mic drop
The 90s show was my introduction to Spiderman 😊 He's still my Spiderman 😁 Re-watched a couple of times as an adult and it still olds up ❤ Yes, the animation as it's issues at times 😅 but at this point I see it as part of the charm 🤣
When I was a kid i learned a lot of Marvel lore via collectible trading cards in the late '80s/early '90s, years before the '90s Spider-Man cartoon. It was a great way to get a crash course in the history of the characters and the properties in the days before widely-available trade paperbacks and the internet. The cards talking about the whole symbiote suit storyline DID make it sound the way the show represents it, excepting the whole origin of the symbiote which they explained faithfully. They made it sound like it was possessing him, altering his personality, etc. Maybe the show writers used the same cards as a source?
I was just the right age that this was my main introduction to Spider-man, as I was too young to be able to regularly keep up with the comics, so I also thought that this was the story of the Venom Symbiote all along. It just goes to show that sometimes having a second shot at a storyline can really elevate the material. I do agree, though, that it would have been much better as a 5-6 episode arch, but back then that was just not going to happen.
Growing up, I had a VHS of that story arc from the 90s and it's my introduction to Venom. I didn't read the comic so for me this is what Venom always was
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The what if scenario in which the fan backlash to the costume didn't happen can make your head spin. No Venom, no Spider-Man 3, no ultimate spiderman video game, no venom movie. How Spider-Man would be perceived would be different because venom was a sort of breath of fresh air because it was kind of stagnant, considering Peter was at this point in his late 20s and still could not get his shit together. Would the 90s Edgelord era be the same without venom?
This series was pretty much my intro to Spiderman. I was a little surprised to find out that the increased aggression thing was added here. This storyline is one of my faves because it introduced me to the Shocker, who went on to become one of my fave Spider-villains.
Having seen Bully Maguire first, it felt to me like the personality alteration was always part of the symbiote. I love the narrative of Peter gaining strength and power and losing grip on the responsibility as a consequence. It would be cool to further compare the comics and TAS to SM3 and Spectacular. It's fascinating to see the changes in this arc reverberate across mediums.
I was reading my first occasional comics when the storyline was originally in the comics. Like you, I watched the cartoon before ever reading the whole storyline. I was a third of the way into your video when it hit me that this originated in the cartoon!
Get Back Here SHOOOOCKER lol What's your favourite Spider-Man TAS moment?
Anything/everything involving Black Cat. Jennifer Hale took Felicia to the next level with that arc.
"Who said anything about jail? I'm done being your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man."
morbius’ disturbing sucker hands
When they actually tried to adapt Secret Wars into the series.
SHOCKERRRRRR!!!
The 90s animated series was my introduction to Spiderman! My favorite moment at that time was actually the Man-Spider episodes where Peter further mutated and grew 4 additional arms!
Yeah for me it was both the Raimi movies and reruns of the 90s animated series is what introduced me to the world and characters of the Wall Crawling Web Swinger
The openings for 90s spiderman and 90s X-Men are so nostalgic for me. Made me really appreciate electric guitars at a young age.
Same
The Six-Arm Spider-Man then further mutation into Man-Spider is my favorite storyline. I've always wished a live action movie, probably with Raimi as it would be in his wheelhouse. Take it almost as far as Jeff Goldblum in The Fly. Really show that there is a fine line between swinging around as you friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and a terrifying monster. It'll probably never happen until Spider-Man enters the public domain though.
The original Spider-verse at the end of the show was also great.
Yea!! 2000 baby here, and 90s animated spider-man series was my introduction as well!
The alien suit also took him out crime fighting at night during the period he wore it. It liked being Spider-Man. This aspect has been more or less forgotten. Also during that period Spider-Man's life falling apart was very much related to Black Cat accidentally hexing him with her bad luck powers. It didn't make him angry. The bad luck powers did. And rightfully so. The animated series kind of used that aspect but without Black Cat. Also Eddie Brock being disgraced over the sin eater was a retcon and the show made the wise decision of making him be an actual character before he became Venom
I honestly interpreted it taking Spider-Man out at night to fight while he was asleep as more of an efficiency thing like it knows Peter goes out to fight criminals so it's going to get that out of the way while he sleeps in that way it thinks it's helping it's host.
I also absolutely love the change that the animated series made in having the suit Make him angry, giving him a very good reason to not want to have it It makes it less external about black cat's Bad luck powers and makes it an internal realization of the classic "with great power comes great responsibility"
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I think I prefer the original take. It doesn't make him stronger or more angry, it's just robbing him of control when he's asleep. It makes the relationship more of a toxic love than a clear "this thing is bad". I prefer the ambiguity.
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Well it did start doing that after Peter offhandedly wished he could do so, so I consider it a mix of both reasons. What most adaptions get wrong about Venom is they're anti-villains at the start and go on to become anti-heroes then full on heroes.
I absolutely despise it and feel its a major reason why most adaptions of Venom are unfaithful and horrible IMO. It allowed writers to be lazy and pigeonhole Venom into just being a one note villain, thus now most people think that is what the character is actually like.
Spectacular Spider-Man brought the suit "joy-ride" back when it took over for Peter during the Sinister Six re-match.
@@Draliseth In the original story, the suit does make him stronger, though.
One additional aspect from the show that I actually preferred to the comics was the reason Eddie and the symbiote chose the name Venom in the first place was because, in their own words: "From now one we're poison to Peter Parker and Spider-Man. That's why we call ourselves Venom." I think that's much more effective than Eddie saying that because he was "spewing venom when he was a reporter" and for that reason he would call himself that.
I always loved the "how about that guy from Aerosmith" refrance when Peter's having the symbiote dress him since Joe Perry (the guy from Aerosmith he's talking about) wrote the theme.
Raimi and company were clearly fans as this also introduced the idea of Doctor Octopus being an older teacher of Peter's, as well as some subtle Green Goblin elements.
I always appreciated how Spider-Man TAS had Peter already out of High School. It’s kinda strange that a lot of adaptations focus on the teenage years despite that being a fairly short period of Spider-man’s history
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That’s thanks to Ultimate Spider-Man.
All adaptations before that he was in college. All adaptions after it he’s in high school.
Why that book had such an impact I don’t know.
It was popular and a fresh take on the character at the time.
Ultimate Spider-Man was my favorite comic book adaptation of the character.
I really hate that they keep putting him in high school, especially after Miles Morales joined 616.
Spidey was married almost as long as he was single. Peter as an adult is a huge part of Spidey. The most important things to happen to him happened after college.
Even the Venture Bros. parody was based around how this guy cannot seem to get out of school.
I always liked how Chip Zdarsky interpreted the symbiote. It's genuinely trying to help Peter and it's Peter's own hidden dark side that influences it to be more violent. I feel like that's more compelling than it just being inherently evil.
Sounds similar to how it's portrayed in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon (except there it's more literal since the symbiote’s made from Peter’s blood)
IMO If we're going to keep going forward with Venom being a hero this is the way to do it. I wish Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 had taken that idea and ran with it, I think the "Peter corrupts the symbiote" narrative is more interesting since it makes Peter have to face aspects of himself he doesn't like.
The only bad thing about this story, I would call the consequences of the perception of the symbiote. He wasn't a villain. He just wanted to help, and then Eddie influenced him a lot. But the media perception of the symbiote began to make him an independent villain, and only in the era of Agent Venom, they began to work with all this, making a full-fledged character out of the symbiote, with their own problems that he wants to solve, and indicating that it did not want to create villains, it only gave an opportunity. Eddie openly admitted that all Venom's sins were his sins, because he always had a choice of what to do, and he chose the bad.
I would really like to look at a version of the story where Peter was able to initially find a common language with the symbiote, especially after Ewing indicated that Peter should be the King in Black, not Eddie.
94 is also the first time Peter had a relationship with otto before he became spider-man.
I liked how Spectacular Spider-man show incorporated the fact that the symbiote was taking his body out in his sleep like the comics. Combining reasons as why Peter feels he needs to ditch the symbiote.
Definitely saw the series first so I thought the personality change was in comics already. It's amazing how well the show writers managed to meld all those stories together and then add complementing story facets on top of it. Spider-Man TAS rules. I'd love another video on the show, especially about characters like Kingpin or Black Cat and how they differed from where they were in comics. Thanks for this video!
I like that the Symbiote changed Peter to be more aggressive, but I don’t like that the Symbiote did it just “because it’s evil”. I wish the Symbiote itself was characterized more.
This is an idea coming with massive amounts of hindsight, but since the Klyntar are supposed to be protectors (if I recall correctly) and we know that the venom Symbiote was relatively young as it hadn’t reproduced ever until after arriving on Earth, that the Symbiote made the mistake of taking the Red Hood approach to crime fighting after seeing Peter’s rogues escape prison and continue to cause damage and risk lives. Thus, in an effort to be a more effective protector, it increased Peter’s aggression so that he would kill his villains (becoming a lethal protector if you will).
Also I think the Symbiote needs a name. “Venom Symbiote” makes it seem like an item like the iron man armour, and not the individual it is. Can’t call the Symbiote Venom because it isn’t Venom, “WE are Venom”. Call it Alex or something IDK.
I think one thing that gets missed a lot in adaptation is that in the comics Peter was a bit of a jerk to began with. In a lot of adaptations the alien suit seems not to just enhance negative traits but to create them to began with as Peter is more kind and wholesome without it.
Alien costume on the Spider-man animated series was my first introduction to the story and it was the best interpretation that I've seen or read. It would have been great if it was expanded but it was great to me nonetheless.
Venom as a character also reinforced the complaint from fans who opposed the new costume was that it didn’t fit Spider-Man’s character - it was too “dark” and Spider-Man isn’t Batman or even Daredevil. When you work with the idea of the costume as “wrong” from the start, the black costume then fits the theme of “corrupting” Peter.
THis is my favorite spiderman animated series. Christopher Daniel Barns was the voice I heard when I read Spiderman comics for years
I do like how Spectacular Spider-Man combined both the personality change, and the symbiote taking Peter's body out for a spin in their adaptation of the story. That quiet fight against the Sinister Six was EPIC!!
Spider-Man TAS is a great series! It can feel rushed in terms of pacing but the quality of the stories being told are consistently good. The series also deserves recognition for introducing the idea of portraying Norman Osborn and Green Goblin being two distinct but overlapping personas, which was used again in the Sam Raimi movies.
Same as having Norman Osborn being a loving, if distant, father. I kinda want more of that because all we got of Norman having these traits is this, insomniac, and 2017 Spider-Man.
That Shocker episode also has the underrated line: "the check is in the mail, BABY!" lol
It should be so corny, but it really works lol
When I saw the Hooded Justice twist in Watchmen (2019) I immediately thought of the Black Marvel from the "6 Forgotten Warriors" episodes of The Amazing Spiderman cartoon
It's hard not to read those things back into the original issues in a post-Venom world. The truly messed up relationship the symbiote has with Eddie can't help but make a person see every little action during Peter's tenure with the costume as something more than it originally was. The last time I read through them, I kept anticipating more of this concept than I got.
The 1994 show was very entertaining at the time (though its jarring pace and intrusive score keep it from holding up quite as well as BTAS and X-Men), and it deserves credit for modifying the story in this way, but at the same time, it feels like such an obvious decision that it's hard to imagine a world in which the show didn't take that route. (On second thought, it's easy to imagine the censors objecting to it. They were determined to ruin that show!)
I grew up on Spider-Man '94. It was my introduction to the characters and world - including Blade, Captain America, & Nick Fury.
11:36 that Rocker from Aerosmith played the guitar for the theme music (Joe Perry)
The change makes way more sense than the original symbiote storyline imo (tbf I grew up with it so I'm biased). I can understand not wanting to wear a living organism, but the only bad thing that it was doing taking Peter's body for a joyride while he was asleep.
no that's the truth
This show is everything. Love the classic comic feel of this animated series. The 90s series still has the best incarnation of the Kingpin outside of the Earth- 616 comics in my opinion.
Also, love the Doctor Octopus in this series, but i always wanted him to lead the Insidious Six instead of just being apart of it.
Pretty sure it's moments like "*SHOCKER!!!!!!!*" that made them get Barnes to play Spidey-Noir in Shattered Dimensions.
90s animated series was my generation's Spider-man, along with the 60s TV series. My favorite part of 90s Spider-man was the introduction of Carnage.
Which later lead to a plot point where Spider-man bonds with the Carnage Symbiote, thus becoming Spider-Carnage. Along with him meeting Madam-Web.
Which was trippy as hell!
Ahh Secret Wars, I was so heavy into comic buying in the era, I think I was 12 at the time. Which led me to my life long love of comics. Some great memories
“Spider blood, spider blood, radioactive spider blood” is something that I sing to myself regularly. Plus, it's a nice nod the the 60s song❤. Christopher Daniel Barnes is great in this show. Great vid as always, Sasha🙏🏼
This show introduced to my favor marvel characters including my number one Lizard and till this day it's still the best representation of him
I have read a long time ago an annual of "Amazing Spider-Man" from 2018, and it is a story from symbiote's perspective. It has an original story and shows how symbiote loved Peter, wanted to help him, and how he felt betrayed because his friend hurt him and abandoned him. And knowing now that he wasn't originally effecting Peter in any way, I want them to work together again. Like, I don't hate or dislike what we got (Venom's stories, Carnage, another symbiotes, Knull) but I would love to see the universe where symbiote stayed with Peter and didn't ate/corrupted him. I would even love to see it in MCU but it won't likely to happen.
This is reminding me of when I worked somewhere and they overhauled our inventory system, and the new one was filled with bugs and a ton of things that just didn't even begin to work right, and every time we came to this one particular manager to point out something that was worse now, she'd just shut us down with, "you all just hate change."
It’s never spoken of but the series also had a huge effect on Blade, see originally Blade was a half human half vampire however he had no supernatural powers instead he was born with a biological enzyme that made him immune to vampire bites. Then in ‘96 the series introduced Blade as a half vampire with all the strengths of a vampire without the weakness and fought with Spider-Man against Morbius, the script for the episode was given by Avi Arad to David Goyer who was writing and in early production for the Blade movie which released in ‘98, Goyer kept the idea for the power set the character had in the cartoon but did not have in the comics. Goyer also invented the character of Whistler however after reading the shows script a deal was struck for the show to use Whistler in the story making the show the first ever appearance of the character who was created for a movie that would not be released for another 2 years after his initial appearance.
Then to bring it full circle in ‘99 in Peter Parker Spider-Man #8 Spider-Man and Blade have teamed up against a returned Morbius (Blade now looking like his movie counterpart) and Blade is bitten by Morbius, as Morbius is not a true vampire Blades enzymes do not protect him as they would for normal vampire bites and this bite grants him the power set he had in both the cartoon and movie for the first time in comics as well as Blade becoming the Daywalker. So had it not been for the series introducing Blade it’s is likely there would not have been a Blade movie to begin with and we would not have the current comic version of Blade (who now has full vampire powers) that we have today.
Since in the original comic the Symbiot wasn’t making him evil, I want to see a Spider-Man that was able to work it out with the suit and see it stick around
Thanks so much for this. I read the original Alien costume Saga and didn't mind the adaptation in the 90s Spider-Man comic. I was a little miffed when they made the same adaptation in Spider-Man 3. Mainly because I felt bully Maguire was a terrible idea. Then I noticed they're using the SAME 'costume makes Peter more aggressive' trope in the Spider-Man 2 game. I mean...didn't ANYONE read the original storyline!?! The costume didn't make Peter more aggressive!
7:38, just have to stop to shout out those line reads - love it, always have, always will
ngl ithink the funny part of this is seeing panels of spiderman in his black fabric suit out of context and assuming it was the symbiote in effect when in reality it was somewhere else at that time
This animated series is my favorite show back then
Wow. I think this was the best and most concise synopsis of Venom's origins that I ever heard. Thank you! I actually stopped reading Spider-Man back in the day around the time Venom was introduced. There was just too much Venom and Hobgoblin oversaturation at that time. But this actually did manage to recapture the feeling of reading back then! Once again, thank you! I'll also definetly check out Spider-Man TAS now too!
Spiderman TAS is still one of my favorite superhero shows. It gave the voice I hear in my head when I watch Spiderman. Also that intro is so cool.
This is a great example of why I think animation is the ultimate form for superhero comics to take. Not only can animation keep up with the fantastical visuals of comics, but it’s also a really great way to condense storylines and lore in to more streamlined versions of themselves. It’s hard to trim the fat when you’re working on stories month to month that get handed off to different writers all the time compared to a writers room that can plan what they want out of a season.
Also I didn’t know this was a change but to be fair I also didn’t know Morbius’s sucker hands were a cartoon change until the Morbius movie happened
Tv shows also have a similar pacing to comics, like where often stories continue over multiple installments (episodes/issues)
I love the thematic ideas of the Symbiote suit, because it's a way to explore a good person at their worst...and how they can atone for what they've done and take accountability.
It could also serve as a nod to addiction, and as a person currently trying to recover from an addiction...I feel more emotionally affected by it.
Great final video for the year. Happy 2024!
This is purely based on nostalgia, Spider-Man TAS was my intro to Spider-Man and I watched it religiously, but I think the personality changes brought by the Symbiote were a great addition. And I'm surprised to hear the series didn't leave an impression on more people. Until Yuri Lowenthal came along it was Chris Barnes' voice I heard every time I read Spider-Man.
I have to disagree, Venom's time as villain was far more complex than other revenge based villains (he had a sense of morality, so only targeting Peter not MJ or May) and brief. To the point Eddie has been a good guy longer than he ever has been a villain. This retcon does multiple things that ultimately harm the characters, first and foremost other lesser adaptions use it as cudgel to pigeonhole Venom into just being a villain, (usually they'll go even further with this to make Venom the villain of a plot they stopped in the comics or a monster) denying the characters the growth they were allowed in the comics and one of Peter's allies that don't require going to the Avengers, X-Men, etc. Secondly, it ruins the symbiosis between Eddie and the symbiote. The symbiote is supposed to be its own thinking character, that doesn't want to force its hosts to do things they don't want to do.
Finally it whitewashes Peter's involvement, Peter's time with the symbiote fell apart due to a misunderstanding (the symbiote thought Peter really did want to fight crime as he slept when he offhandedly wished for it) and a genuine human reaction that cloud's everyone's best judgements, fear. So Peter is not allowed to be in the wrong, hes not allowed to hold a grudge for Venom's villain days that Flash of all people has to call him out on because that makes Peter look bad. Even though one of the appeals of Spider-Man (heck Marvel as a whole) is hes written to be human instead of a ideal.
I love how so many UA-camrs explain origins of the black suit but ever go I depth of the context of how costume and symbiote came to be. I’m truly impressed
This is the reason I love Spider-Man and Venom.
I watched this show way before I knew Batman existed
My older brother and I watched the 90s cartoon religiously waiting for the alien costume. When it finally aired, I ran to his room to tell him so he could record the episode on his VCR.
I grew up with my two older brothers reading their comics to me, doing different voices for different characters and dramatically reading the sound effects aloud.
Spidey was wearing the black and white costume when they were reading to me, so I grew up thinking he'd always worn that suit and the red and blue was the new costume.
I can still vividly remember three covers for the black and white suit:
one where Spidey is hanging upside down in a black room and the Lizard is standing in the light of an open doorway,
one where Spidey is swinging in front of the Statue of Liberty at night
and one where Spidey is being drowned by a giant purple robot with a yellow sky in the background.
Personally, I dislike the symbiote having the negative impact on people. It seems like enough to me that it was an alien lifeform and Peter wanted it off of him because it was trying to permanently attach itself to him.
I loved Venom as a kid in the early/ mid 90s, but the storytelling with the symbiotes just got really out there for me by the late 90s.
Me and my friend David used to play like we had symbiotes of our own, but I always wanted Venom because it would look like the black and white Spidey suit.
This show was my first exposure to Spider-Man & I've been a fan of the Web Head ever since
grew up watching 90s Spider-Man and I still think it is one of the best Spider-Man series out there. many of the 90s animated series were really well written and at least to me, still are the GOAT for their series. X-Men TAS, Batman TAS, Spider-Man TAS all top notch cartoons that had their own share of problems sure, but still some of the best animated versions we've gotten.
one of my favourite moments in 90s Spider-Man was when he was dealing with his decision to remain or give up being Spider-Man. but after talking to a sick girl, his resolve was strengthened. one of my favourite parts of that moment was his explanation of how he knew how to make his web fluid.
STAS was a part of my childhood and my main introduction to Marvel and Spider-Man as a whole! I haven't read many comics (minus Agent Venom and Gwenpool), but I always loved the animated shows of both Marvel and DC! The Symbiote Arc is my absolute favorite arc of the animated Spidey verse ever! And created my love for Heroes struggling with their dark side!
I really loved the 1994 cartoon for its serialized storytelling in an era where that was pretty rare for animated series outside of Japan as well as its many Marvel guest stars.
I will always love that scene with the Shocker.
It lives rent free in my brain lol
Loved this show as a kid. I remember getting excited when I realized they were getting to Venom.
I was born in 1995, so this cartoon was an essential piece of my love for the character. I was that stereotypical kid who had a Spider-Man halloween costume and wore it every time I watched it this show on TV or VHS lol. The black suit saga was one of my favorites, screaming Christopher Daniel Barnes and all lol.
I really do wished they had asked Christopher Barnes to voice the 2012 cartoon. When he made that "The Tick joke" waaaay back, I knew he was the one.
Someone's probably already mentioned it, the reason the alien costume changes into "the rocker" clothes when Peter's trying different clothes changes is because Joe Perry, the guitarist from the band Aerosmith, played the electric guitar for the series' theme song.
That's why they play that brief clip of the electric guitar from the theme song and Peter says, "What about that guy from Aerosmith."
I don't know if Peter was in his black suit or the symbiote, but one comics issue that went well with the "Peter's becoming unhinged" plot was the one where he fights Firelord and goes overboard, beating the one time herald of Galactus senseless.
Spider Man TAS was my introduction to some of Marvel characters like Blade, Punisher, Captain America etc plus that intro theme is iconic.
Also, I didn't know that Christopher Daniel Barnes voiced Prince Eric in the animated Little Mermaid film.
I miss this show. The censorship was a pain in the ass, but god damn if it didn’t have some great moments.
This show deserved better though.
Wow, great video. I got into Spider-Man through the cartoon in the '90s when I was a kid and have been reading Spider-Man comics ever since. Even still I get the two different origins mixed up. It's really interesting how they created a real unique amalgamation and condensed all of that for the cartoon.
I loved this series. It made me genuinely afraid of venom as a villain and when I found out what he did to Mary Jane totally understood why he stopped wearing the black suit
Yess this show was it! I grew up watching this and reruns of Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. It works out so nicely to see you covering this show and Brave & the Bold, since I'm revisiting them.
The American Digimon theme is great!
No it is not. IT's one of the worst decisions they made. "Butterfly" was way better.
Spider-Man TAS was my introduction to the character and I absolutely loved it. The symbiote arc was absolutely epic to me, and my first instance of truly must see tv. My dad, grandfather, and myself went fishing one Saturday every single month. I flatly refused to go only once, when the conclusion to the symbiote arc was going to air that same day.
I definitely watched the 90s Spider-Man cartoon: I was still in highschool when it started. They still had Saturday morning cartoons back then! And yes, I do remember that they added the part about the symbiote lightening Peter's aggression.
You're right. Tying all those stories together really is quite clever. As clever as weaving threads into a web.
(I'll see myself out)
You should explore Black Cat's origin in that serie and how she ties into Captain America! It's a fun origin IMO.
I've been rewatching this recently! The show is over all pretty great but I do think they create some unnecessary pacing issues for themselves by squeezing in one too many stories sometimes.
But I remembered noticing some of those pacing issues when I was a kid too.
What a nice time to talk about the main antagonist of Insomniac's Spider-Man 2. And man, this show turns 30 this coming November.
I agree with the 'No more Null (Knull?)' sentiment.
Spider-Man TAS and Amazing Friends of Spider-Man are my first Spider-Man shows and the show adding that bit was a great idea also the dream beginning was fantastic
Impressed with the thought and detail that went into this analysis.
I love everything about this series
THIS was my introduction to Spider-Man, i grew up watching this cartoon and loved it, the voice actor really nailed Spider-Man/Peter Parker for me.
BEST episode of 90s Spider-Man...The Mutant Agenda & Mutant's Revenge! That two-parter was the first time I geeked out. The 90s X-Men teaming with Spider-Man and WITH the X-Men theme!
Fun fact about the electric guitar during the shows intro theme, that is Joe Perry from Aerosmith playing the guitar. Shuki Levi who composed the music/themes for Power Rangers, X-Men, & Digimon composed the music & Joe Perry contacted him & wanted to play the guitar parts. Perry played the guitar and improved/added some stuff & it became the theme song. The reason Joe Perry did it was because he’s a Spider-Man fan & wanted to contribute to Spider-Man in someway
I will always say Spectacular is the best adaptation of the character, but it's kinda crazy how many things from the 90's cartoon almost seem default to many people. Probably a big part in this plays the fact Sam Raimi must've been a fan of the series, as his Spider-Man trilogy takes stuff from it. Green Goblin being a split peronality, Peter knowing Otto Octavius before his viallain days (even having a mentor-student relationship) and the alien suit turning Peter "emo" as well as it being a rock from space (sometimes brought back by John Jameson). None of these were ever a thing in the 616 continuity.
11:32 You mean Joe Perry of Aerosmith, they guy who did the whole "spider blood, spider blood" intro theme?
I loved this series growing up in the 90s. Definitely helped get me into the comics.
The cartoon was my introduction to Spider-Man, and I didn’t get to read many comics back then, so I never knew it was a change.
The 90s cartoons of Spiderman, Batman, Supes, and the X-Men were my introduction to all these characters. This particular story line was a favorite of mine for many reasons one of which was I thought the suit and the change to Peter where awesome and as a kinda nerdy loner I wanted that, then I saw that it was making him a villain and no one not even my 8 yr old self wants to be a villain. Flash forward to me having the means and connections to comics and read the story's that I loved from the shows and there's a difference but like you I saw the shows influence in the original when it was the other way. Though I don't always comment I love all your videos the amount of time and effort I greatly appreciate it shows with the love with which you speak. Thanks PS love the wigs :)
Best Spider-Man series ever!
Happy New Year Sasha! May 2024 be Casual and full of Comics!
Glad to see you do more Marvel!
"He left the suit in the sink and had nothing else to where."
Dear god, Spider-Man IS the most relatable super hero. And I appreciate him even more.
And I love how angry he looked. Not at himself, but like...as if he's blaming the suit for getting itself wet.
It’s rare that someone throws a Spider-Man fact at me that I did not know before but that makes perfect sense and I am so glad you did the research on that because I definitely came to the animated show first
7:26 Theme songs were the best from about 1986 - 1995!!!
I can still hear the guitar 🎸 in my head! Want to argue with the validity of this statement? Listen to the X-Men theme from 92.
Mic drop
I still have the orignal 1984 *"Secret Wars"* #8 where the symbiote first came into being. Gamechanger. I've always liked the black alien suit.
The 90s show was my introduction to Spiderman 😊 He's still my Spiderman 😁 Re-watched a couple of times as an adult and it still olds up ❤ Yes, the animation as it's issues at times 😅 but at this point I see it as part of the charm 🤣
When I was a kid i learned a lot of Marvel lore via collectible trading cards in the late '80s/early '90s, years before the '90s Spider-Man cartoon. It was a great way to get a crash course in the history of the characters and the properties in the days before widely-available trade paperbacks and the internet. The cards talking about the whole symbiote suit storyline DID make it sound the way the show represents it, excepting the whole origin of the symbiote which they explained faithfully. They made it sound like it was possessing him, altering his personality, etc. Maybe the show writers used the same cards as a source?
This series and those episodes in particular are what got me into comics
Man, I loved this show. The theme song is my favorite version, hands down.
I was just the right age that this was my main introduction to Spider-man, as I was too young to be able to regularly keep up with the comics, so I also thought that this was the story of the Venom Symbiote all along. It just goes to show that sometimes having a second shot at a storyline can really elevate the material. I do agree, though, that it would have been much better as a 5-6 episode arch, but back then that was just not going to happen.
Happy New Years! Sasha covering marvel stuff was a pleasant suprise
*HAPPY NEW YEAR, SASHA!*
Growing up, I had a VHS of that story arc from the 90s and it's my introduction to Venom. I didn't read the comic so for me this is what Venom always was
Happy Holidays to everyone that supported this channel... Sasha has been a great addition to the comic community, and I'm looking for more obscure comics and more Superman girlfriend Lois Lane.. the madness for 2024🎉🎉😂😂
The what if scenario in which the fan backlash to the costume didn't happen can make your head spin. No Venom, no Spider-Man 3, no ultimate spiderman video game, no venom movie. How Spider-Man would be perceived would be different because venom was a sort of breath of fresh air because it was kind of stagnant, considering Peter was at this point in his late 20s and still could not get his shit together. Would the 90s Edgelord era be the same without venom?
This series was pretty much my intro to Spiderman. I was a little surprised to find out that the increased aggression thing was added here. This storyline is one of my faves because it introduced me to the Shocker, who went on to become one of my fave Spider-villains.
I loved this show back when Inwas a child. It was my introduction to Venom and many other Spider-Man characters.
Having seen Bully Maguire first, it felt to me like the personality alteration was always part of the symbiote. I love the narrative of Peter gaining strength and power and losing grip on the responsibility as a consequence.
It would be cool to further compare the comics and TAS to SM3 and Spectacular. It's fascinating to see the changes in this arc reverberate across mediums.
Overly Sarcastic discussed the Spectacular Spiderman version on their channel. If you liked this video I think you'd like their's also.
I was reading my first occasional comics when the storyline was originally in the comics. Like you, I watched the cartoon before ever reading the whole storyline.
I was a third of the way into your video when it hit me that this originated in the cartoon!
That sequence where the space shuttle crashes on the George Washington Bridge is SOOO well done. I'm not sure why no one has adapted it yet.