Doctor Who: The Tomb of the Cybermen - REVIEW - Cybercember (Feat. Josh Snares)
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"You belong to us. You shall be like us."
This one is an undisputed classic. But let me know what YOU folks think of 'The Tomb of the Cybermen'! Leave a comment and also hit that "like" button to appease that almighty UA-cam algorithm!
couldn't agree more i absolutely adored this story the first time i watchedit . everything works pretty much perfectly to make the cybermen absolutely terrifying and unnerving
Thank you so much for these posts.well done.
Kudos for getting Josh Snares on!
Classic maybe , but certainly not an undisputed one, there's been quite a backlash against it
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Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines came up with the hand holding gag themselves
It totally feels like a them thing
They didn't tell the crew either. They knew if they just did it in the take there wouldn't be time to reshoot if the production team didn't like it.
Probably riffing off old Laurel & Hardy gags, where they often did the same, or similar things!
Whatever, it was very funny seeing these two doing that type of gag too.. :-D
Patrick Troughton is known to pull practical jokes mid-screen.
@@stevesstuff1450apparently it was because they wanted to annoy a producer who was constantly complaining about them touching one another, he thought it looked too gay
To me, the relationship between the Doctor and Jamie is just as iconic as the relationship between the Doctor and Sarah Jane. The chemistry between Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines was fabulous.
Jamie is way better than Sarah. Who just degenerated into a screaming damsel during Tom's run.
"We Will Survive" - A much better catchphrase than 'Delete'.
A catchphrase only made lamer by multiplying it by three: "Delete, Delete, Delete". Sometimes less is more :)
If the Cybermen have to have a catchphrase, then "We must survive" should be it. Repeating "Exterminate" works for the Daleks as fascists seem to love to spoit their rhetoric in catchphrases they can repeat, but the Cybermen are cold, emotionless, logical beings, and their biggest goal is survival. They aren't trying to rally anyone or pump themselves up, so I don't think they need catchphrases. "Delete" doesn't even really fit the Cybermen.
let's not forget that absolute gem, "maximum deletion"...
@@DalekTheSupreme I mean, it can varym some form of declaring their determination for survival! Rather than a poor man's 'Exterminate'.
To be fair, they got the idea from a Pup Named Scooby Doo episode where a rogue computer kept saying " I must delete" to the point the prepubescent gang nicknamed it "Mr. Delete".
"You will be like us"
Probably the scariest cybermen moment
That whole cliffhanger is just the best.
That cyber leader is extremely annoying and creepy.
That moment was unscripted. Frazer Hines talked about it at Gallifrey One back in February.
I love it when the Second Doctor says "Our lives are different to anybody else's thats the exciting thing, there’s nobody in the universe can do what we're doing" always sends a shiver down my spine, that line, I think sums up all of Doctor Who for me
20:10 I always thought Toberman's single-word shouting was due to partial cyber-conversion and mind control, rather than a lack of intellect. In Episode 4 we see the cyber-controller repeatedly transmitting energy waves to control Toberman, and his mental state is directly referenced by the Doctor and Jamie. Toberman then pushes through this mind control with encouraging words from the Doctor, and turns on the Cyber Controller.
This explains, to me at least, why he speaks in single words. He's still fighting the mind control and partial cyber-conversion. You can see that earlier in the story he's more composed and articulate, though still doesn't get much to say unfortunately.
Yeah me too. From what we’ve seen of Toberman before his conversion he seemed to form basic sentences though we didn’t hear much of it due to his character being the quiet strong one of the group. It wasn’t until his cyber conversion that we can observe that his basic human intelligence is striped away, though it seems bits were coming back up until his death.
That was what I thought as well. However I did feel uncomfortable with how Toberman was written generally. Different times. I read up about the actor, Roy Stuart. Super interesting guy. Unfortunately it sounds like Toberman would have been one of his less demeaning roles back then.
And that’s the problem with Mr TARDIS he wants to present racial problems on the show’s old episodes that weren’t even problems at the time. He’s trying to bring light to something, that isn’t even that deep. River man was more articulate before his conversion and he could speak well! But it was AFTER the conversion he started to get loud and one worded. Mr TARDIS is trying to present this as ‘he’s black and he wasn’t treated well’ no… that’s not the case at all- there was a reason for it.
That, and also, I got the impression that English wasn't Toberman's first language. Oddly, Mr. Tardis picks up on the fact that that Kaftan and Klieg are non-English, but doesn't seem to consider that possibility with Toberman. Instead, he jumps to the conclusion that Toberman must have mental problems. I find that more troubling than anything in the episode.
Correct. Toberman was fighting against the cyber-mind fog and focusing on his human side.
It’s funny how the Daleks were given the most attention with having longer stories, usually six parters, while the Cybermen, for the most part, were relegated to just 4 parters. Even with ‘The Invasion’, an eight parter, the Cybermen don’t appear until the end of episode 4.
The Cybermen are similar to the Borg: They don't make very good characters. They were introduced as totally inhuman, and made great nightmare monsters, but you couldn't interact with them. As a result, more traditional baddies, like The Borg Queen had to be invented to represent them. In this story, Kaftan and Klieg fill that role. The Cyber Controller is nearly a character, but he's limited to one or two stock thoughts.
"Mr. Crewman would later go on to be resurrected by Cyber-Brigadier and became a well loved companion of the Eighth Doctor." (Citation Needed)
Should have known that was Kroton’s real identity
Referring to Kamelion, maybe?
Victoria is an utter badass in this episode. Going straight from the trauma of her father's death on an alien planet to plugging X Ray Laser caps in Cyber ass!
Hugely underated character. Sadly she gets written off as just the screamer by many.
@@minicle426 Her utterly awesome turn as the villain in Downtime was an utter masterpiece.
You’re right, Mr TARDIS. The scene where the Doctor and Jamie start to walk in while holding hands like a couple about to dance was not scripted - Troughton and Hines made it up themselves, and decided to just throw it in without the director’s knowledge to ensure it was kept in.
I love Toberman, honestly he's one of my favourite characters from the Classic era. I'm probably just a sucker for noble sacrifices. Still, that moment when he fights a Cyberman for the first time and is over powered was fantastic. You could tell how scared he was, the actor did a great job with limited material.
The scene after Toberman gets partially converted and is awaken by the Cyber Controller is just as terrifying as the famous “You belong to us. YOU SHALL BE LIKE US”
Where did she learn to use a handgun?
She's from the Victorian era... handguns were the number one accessory for middle to upper class women even in England itself.
As I recall, David Banks's Cyberman book had an awesome illustration of Toberman fighting against the Cyber Controller to close the doors. It used to send shivers down my spine as a kid and to my mind is one of the most iconic Cyberman related moments.
Ok Singapore, what the hell, find the missing episodes!
People will actually give a shit about Singapore if they returned their episodes
as a troughton completionist, he’s great in tomb and is one of his best performances
I'm glad that you mentioned Toberman originally being planned to be deaf, since that last-minute change to remove that aspect explains a lot about why people treat him so strangely. Still it's not the most progressive representation -- but then that's mid 60s TV for ya.
Next Time: We join a new female companion, a new design Cybermen costumes, Zippy from Rainbow returning to voice them again, The final time Peter Hawkins being in anything Dr Who related, And they imagine they have orders to destroy us, As we look at The Wheel in Space.
The doctor and jamie holding hands was confirmed as a joke by troughton as it was a last take so they both thought it was the best opportunity to confuse the cast and crew
I actually know the guy who gets shot at 9:35. His name's Bernard Holley, I meet him through a friend of the family, very nice guy. He would go on to have a more prominent role as the lead Axon in 'The Claws of Axos', one of my personal favourite stories.
Bernard Holley seemed to be in just about _everything_ when I was a kid in the 60s/70s, and he's still going strong. Glad you like The Claws of Axos, BTW - some people think it's "meh", but I'm very fond of it :)
@@ftumschk When I started watching Doctor Who, they were showing the whole series in order, one serial each Saturday on Australian UKTV. I happened to stumble in at Colony In Space, which meant I only saw The Claws of Axos as the very last serial on the next repeat about five years later. With Jon being my Doctor and his era being my favourite of the classic series (I lucked out in starting there) Claws of Axos was a wonderful story to be the last one, I find it representative of most of what I like about the era.
I enjoyed THE CLAWS OF AXOS
Axos is one of the most underated classic monsters.
"I do when I want to... but I have to really want to"- When we meet the Doctor's family in Lungbarrow we find out why he never really wants to.
Favourite quotes of the day, Yeah I normally go for one but this I'm going for two or three..
"YOU BELONG TO UUUSSS, YOU SHALL BE LIKE UUUSSS!"
"Our lives are different to anybody else's that's the exciting thing, Nobody in the universe can do what we're doing."
"We will survive, we will survive!"
That message is disturbing.
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 Which one, The one at the cliffhanger of Ep.2 or when the Cyber-Controller said we will survive?
Love to see Josh here!
I remember buying this on VHS back in 1992..it was extremely exciting and added to what was a great year for me personally.
Toberman having a hearing aid would have been great foreshadowing for his conversion. If they weren't going to give him any meaningful dialogue in removing it, they should have left it that way.
To anyone who doesn't love this story:
YOU BELONG TO UZ. YOU SHALL BE LIKE UZ
Wheel in space is next isn't it? Oh dear...
Could you imagine how much more notable that story would be if they managed to get the Daleks in it?
Funny thing is, most people seemed to like this serial before it was found. Maybe it was 'cause folks' imaginations were more entertaining when fueled by the audios, maybe it was just the act of wanting that made it better to some, I'm just glad we have it, period.
Some of us could remember it !! That's why !
Good review. The Tomb of the Cybermen is my favourite story (and also the first classic story I ever saw). With regards to Toberman, I think that's open to interpretation. The fact he was originally deaf and that this was changed at the last minute (I don't think this should have been changed) opens up a few problems, but I actually think from that point on it's down to interpretation. For example, he is portrayed at first glance as being a bit dumb. I don't think Toberman is actually dumb; certainly, he is under the influence of Kaftan - she speaks, he obeys - but the way he obeys is the interesting part. He manages to stealthily sneak past the others in the main control room, out to the ship to sabotage it right under the nose of Captain Hopper (if I remember correctly), and smiles when news of the sabotage reaches the team, knowing he did it and absolutely nobody suspects him because he used his image as the "dumb servant" to get away with it.
With regards to his random shouting of "Evil!", I think again this is not him being dumb, but resisting the Cyberman's conditioning of his mind - like when you need to remember something, so you repeat it over and over so you don't forget, Toberman was doing the same: reminding himself that the Cybermen are evil. His bravery at the end is the icing on the cake for Toberman really, he's not dumb, he's a smart but brave guy - and his arc is one of the best things about this story.
Enjoyed the segment with Josh Snares - a nice addition to the format that gives a bit of context to the missing Cybermen episodes. Definitely consider doing more collabs in the future!
I think this was one of my first Classic Who stories when the classic series got shown on the Horror Channel (no idea why it was on that channel).
I don't remember tomb being on the horror channel. I think the only Troughton stories they showed on there were the mind robber & the seeds of death.
@@BH-98 maybe it wasn't that channel then it was in the late Smith era when I was 9 or 10 so I didn't pay attention to the channel and just thought "Hey Doctor Who is on, I'll watch it."
@@Jedi_Spartan yeah that sounds right, the horror channel started showing classic who episodes in mid - late 2014 & stopped during 2016 I think. I used to watch them with my dad & it was during my phase watching/collecting the DVDs
Early cybermen were horror channel material to be fair.
awh i remember watching genesis on horror lol
12:42 is that a sneaky clip from Hot Fuzz 😂😂
Stories like this is why Patrick Troughton is my second favourite classic Doctor after Tom Baker.
One of my favourite stories. Also cool to see Josh Sness make an appearances
Before watching this, I watched your old review of 'The Tomb of the Cybermen' a decade ago (yes I still watch your old stuff and I'm not afraid to admit it), and I was interested to see how much your opinion of the episode changed, especially regarding Tobaman.
I love this story. The drama, comedy, character interactions, atmosphere etc. It's my favorite of all the Patrick Troughton stories.
This is my favourite second Doctor story.- And probably my favourite cybermen story; except for maybe Earthshock or Attack of the cybermen.
JAMIE: A new race of Cybermen? But we're humans. We're not like you.
CONTROLLER: You will be.
Trilbee - shows The Doctor taking Jamies Hand
Me: when he talked about this story in the past he said "I bet that wasn't even scripted"
Trilbee: I'm convinced that wasn't scripted.
Me (Singing): Brain remembering pointless facts is fun!
13:22 wow that was a really good and cleaver and witty transition
I'm so happy that this story survived. Considering how the previous season is almost nonexistent and how close these four episodes came to meeting the same fate, it's honestly a miracle that we can still watch it. I would even argue that this is the perfect introduction to the Second Doctor's era. Even more than Power of the Daleks. One of the Doctor's most famous enemies explained clearly for newcomers along with Troughton's two best companions.
I remember an issue of Doctor Who magazine where Steven Moffat praises this episode, while poking fun at the Cybermen locking themselves in a giant freezer.
The tomb of the cyberman is one of my favourite cyberman stories from the classic story and is one of my favourite cyberman story I should watch this tonight because it has been a while since I have watched it
Hi MrTardis - always enjoy your reviews and I'm really loving this series!!! :)
It's such a luck that this so well written episode survived. IMO, it represents the pure spirit of the Throughton era.
Oh the irony of the Doctor telling Viki that no one else can do what they do with the Time Meddler in his past and the Time Lords coming into his future. This is a great review. I read this story in a novel before I got to watch the full adventure on screen. This is a solid story, and I wish a modern story would take ques from it.
And yes- please do a review of Doctor/Jamie moments. Jamie was one of the best companions as he saw the Doctor as a wizard and the adventures with him as the stuff of fantasy come to life. Jamie proves the show can be enriched by a companion from another time zone!
In trems of the Patrick Troughton stories, I would rank Tomb of the Cybermen in my Top 10 favourite Dr Who Troughton stories.
I recall the excitement of the discovery of this one and then finally getting a copy on VHS all those years ago. I loved it then, I still love it now. An essential classic Who story. I also believe that Matt Smith based some of his Doctor on watching this serial.
I appreciate the reviews. I, too, enjoy this one very much, and your reviews bring out things I didn't consider; for example, the Doctor & Jamie interactions here.
I quite like the quiet character moments (so much lacking in modern shows), such as the exchange between the Doctor and Victoria.
I’m going through all these from you…thank you so much!! These are awesome!
One of my favourite Cybermen stories!
That voice ... haunts me...
Stories*
@@davidbanan. thank you !
@@davidbanan.GRAMMAR NAZI!*
Great review and I really want to watch this serial now, it looks fantastic! But I feel trying to view aspects of the story through a 2020 lens is not really a justified criticism. Because one of the characters is black and a servant doesn't mean he is immediately a "problematic" element. The two characters who are supposedly his masters seem to be written to be the kind of characters who may have a servant to do the heavy lifting for them. And just because it's set in the future doesn't mean people won't have odd opinions on things, or be enlightened to our social morals, who knows what quirks of history may have lead to feudal style servitude or whatever reemerging?
For some reason, I love when the Doctor says “well now I know you’re mad, I just wanted to make sure” haha
In The Tenth Planet: Polly is tasked with making Coffee for the people.
In The Moonbase: Polly is AGAIN tasked with making coffee, but the plate in which the coffee jar was, is used to seal the hole in the moonbase, which was sucking all the air out.
In The Tenth Planet: Victoria and the antagonist woman who's name I forgot, are drinking coffee. Victoria later use that coffee jar to help beat a Cybermen back down that hatch.
WHAT'S UP WITH CYBERMEN STORIES AND COFFEE? SERIOUSLY, IT'S THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW THAT COFFEE PLAYED A ROLE IN A CYBERMEN STORY! ARE THEY ATTRACTED TO COFFEE? IS IT THEIR WEAKNESS? IS COFFEE LITERALLY THE CAUSE AND SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM RELATED TO CYBERMEN?!
just gonna say something absolutely hilarious, Mr Crewman is also a name used in the big finish audiobook spare parts, and he also likely dies in the first 5 minuets.
Gentlemen, The Tombs of the Cybermen!
...Its only a Model
SSHH
But it wasn't. It was a big, built set. How else do the cybermen come out of their cells and climb the ladders?
@@peterweeks2066 7:20
@@duncan1016 Ok. Yeah, that is.🙂
One of the best Who stories! Holds up even 50 years later
Ahh my boi josh making a surprise appearance 😃. And ngl lie I was half expecting him to say the now drilled into my head phrase ‘Graham strong had the best recordings, David Holman and Richard landen also made recordings’
Graham Strong
Ahh sorry for the spelling mistake
I'll come right out and say it, I do not have memories of Doctor Who before The Tomb of the Cybermen. My dad was a fan of the classic series, and had acquired VHS tapes and DVDs in the wilderness years before the 2005 revival, and among them was Tomb of the Cybermen. It's very probable the story that introduced me to Doctor Who.
It is almost perfect. The Cybermen are depicted superbly as completely unemotional, logical, and interested in survival above all else, and the body horror of Cyber-conversion is demonstrated here more than any Classic story I can think of, other than Attack of the Cybermen. Dated views aside, the supporting cast is excellent. The Second Doctor is at his best, Jamie and Victoria are enjoyable characters, and the pacing and the way the story unfolds is excellent. Solid 9/10. The only thing holding it back is the way it depicts Toberman and the way the members of the expedition treat Victoria.
Yoo! Josh Snares?
Awesome cameo of Josh Shares!
A true classic, and one of the five unimpeachable Cyberman stories IMO. Ignoring the dated racial and gender politics and we have a near perfect base under siege, terrifying villains both Cyber and human, Troughton with his defining and most well rounded performance and everything working like clockwork. The format from The Moonbase was given an extra boost with better characters and plotting and it's no wonder Matt Smith used this as the serial with which to base his Doctor on.
One of the minor crew member actors reappears as either Bates or Stratton I think in Attack of the Cybermen. Watch Attacks DVD extras to confirm this as I think that is where I found this out. It is also filmed in the same quarry in Gerrards Cross.
This one is absolutely wonderful, and Troughton is such a delight. The characters are not only better-thought out, but they interact pretty well with each other.
I do have one nitpick upon rewatching it. Except for the unnamed crewman at the beginning, nobody had to die if the Doctor hadn't gotten them into the tomb and the various locked chambers, because they weren't smart enough to solve Cybermen's riddles. Sure, it emphasizes the Doctor's intelligence, but it doesn't say much for his morality.
its almost like this show was filmed in 1967, and the show runners didn't know they had to be woke. Then again Eric Klieg would fit in just fine.
I do actually own a copy of the Soundtrack on disc to this episode....and I'll say this much, you really don't wanna listen to tracks 7-8 in a pitch black room.
So what I'm HEARING is, if we march on Singapore we'll get the missing episodes back...
Let's go lads!
Lets all agree than his lack of clover transition from talking about the cyber controller to the 2nd Doctor was in fact a clever and witty transition via self burn?
I do appreciate that the "foreigner villain" trope seems a bit racist now, however....I understand that they were going for an homage to Mummy movies that have Egyptians in them, in fact, George Pastell who played Klieg was played Mehemet Bey in The Mummy (1959), Hashmi Bey in The Curse of the Mummy's Tomb (1964)so it was deliberate casting.
As for Toberman....I always felt he wasn't dumb, he was a silent powerhouse servant and bodyguard to Kaftan but the truth was he was in my headcanon, in love with her and it was this that led to him regaining his humanity, his hatred of the Cybermen for killing her and his making the ultimate sacrifice. And he did die sealing the Tomb. He might have been in the employ of the villains but when it came to the end, he did a heroic thing with his regained humanity.
Jamie and the 2nd Doctor were a great duo.
As every Cybermen fan knows, According to the late Morris Barry on his introduction, Cyber-controller suit actor Michael Kilgarriff was unsure on playing the controller since Peter Hawkins 'Who voices the Cybermen once again' would voices them once Michael has to open the mouth so he thinks about it while Morris went on finding another actor but within a few days Michael Kilgarriff spoke to Morris Barry and agree to play the Cyber-Controller and of course it won't be the last time he plays him, More on that when we reach his review on Attack of the Cybermen.
What?!
@@davidbanan. What do you mean 'What?'
This was aired this morning on the dr who Roku channel. Perfect for early risers, but not for night owls.
I’m really surprise you didn’t mention the wires on Toberman went the cyber man lives in up in the air. Also The doctor and Jamie holding hands was unrehearsed I did it on the take to get a pass Director Morris Barry.
I was raised on the Target novel before the rediscovery in 1992. The only weak point is these giant tombs were only for 10 Cyberman. This was corrected in Attack of the Cybermen where they tried to show more sense of scale in the tombs and also introduced the Cryons. A good candidate for colorization.
Another nitpick I had was that, apparently, the main reason the crew couldn't leave when they wanted to was their rocket had been sabotaged, and somehow the Doctor never offers them a ride home in the Tardis.
They even say in dialogue that the Doctor & co. aren't stranded like the exhbition team are. Like, I feel like the act of typing that sentence should've tipped the scriptwriter off that something was skewey.
Unfortunately I'll have skip the reviews of The Invasion, Revenge of the Cybermen, Attack of the Cybermen and Silver Nemesis as I've not seen them yet. I'll come back and watch them at some point.
Also, will you be covering the Wheel in Space, as two episodes exist on the Lost in Time box set, but it's not in full.
"we will survi..." *Door slams in face*
10:15 Good god, what a creepy shot. The weird ambient sound, the snow stuck on the Controllers face, not to mention his dead, lifeless face that isn't even looking at Kliegg...
Can’t wait for your review of The Wheel in Space tomorrow, so excited.
The amount of times I picked up this VHS video in Boots in Swansea to buy it, then placed it back to purchase a different story...
This is probably my favorite story of all, apart from the two 1960's Dalek films.
weird how they done this The tenth planet(cybermen story)-Power of the daleks(dalek story) (some esipodes later) evil of the daleks(dalek story)-Tomb of the cybermen(cybermen story)
Literally can't wait for your review on
The Invasion
Earthshock
Attack of the Cybermen
Silver Nemesis
The tomb of the cybermen is my second favourite doctor who story from the second Doctor era
Thanks to MrTardis we will never forget that actor Ray Grover made an appearance in this story
I remember the first time you looked at this story. God that feels like forever ago.
One of if not my favorite second doctor moment, when he fools with cleigh(?)
Klieg
I would love this story if they changed the Doctor's motivation to wanting to make sure the Cybermen were dead up to the point they broke out of the Tomb. "When I say Run... too late."
Since he was the one who got them into the mess, making him the lone dissenter at the hatch leading to the tomb itself is... well, pure Second Doctor. Dandy, Clown... ah, Clown.
I like the CYbermen in Tomb and the moonbase the best in billions of ways
This was my first ever classic story, so in a way, it will always be my favourite
I feel the same way but with Spearhead From Space. That story is wonderful.
I think that this, along with the Tenth Planet is the best Cybermen story that aired in the 60’s.
"We will survive." Post 1979, the show would be screaming Gloria Gaynor.
Victoria's comeback at the rocket engineer had me chuckling for a good solid minute (near the end of Episode 4). The women were treated like second hand citizens in this serial. The 25th Century the women are inequal to men. You must stay behind while us tough men go into the hole and challenge the Cyberman. BTW, where are the Cyberwomen?
Been following you since tenth planet video im really enjoying these videos
U mean 2 days ago? Ive been watching Him since (about) when the Web of fear was released, yeah no doubt that video is only from the first of december thats nothing. Special
@@davidbanan. just found his channel
Victoria actually does question the length of her dress. And her dress from the last story was messed up and also not practical for this episode.
15:58 I'd say it is one of the defining quotes of Doctor Who. Alongside Baker's "What right?" dialogue, from Genesis of the Daleks.
YAAAAY JOSH, wondering if this is just archive footage though.....
BritBox and DailyMotion are all you need to complete the 2nd Doctor's run... just don't tell the BBC about that!
Think this was the first classic Who I ever saw, got the video at a car boot sale in like 2007 (We still had a video player then!)
Loved it - so memorable and Troughton instantly won me over
Frazier Hines told an embarrassing story when he flirted with Shirley Cooklin (Kaftan). He didn't realized she was married to one of the producers.
You will be like us/we must survive. Now THOSE are catchphrases. Much better than the dalek copycat 'delete' they really need to take the cybermen back to these basics again.