UPDATE: Many commenters are suggesting that the HDMI cable was never the problem, which doesn't explain the three fried receivers, but I have changed the title and thumbnail to reflect the fact that this video shares 4 methods for running A/V over long distances. I still hope this helps others to not have the issues I have had.
Sure, but the video still contains incorrect information. Maybe you could edit it out since you have a lot of subscribers. You could save them a lot of trouble by being more factually correct.
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all things aside: Ethernet convertors induce other problems... Your HDMI signal gets 2 conversions which can lead up to 6 frames delay between video en audio depending on the quality of those boxes... Thats a lot... so unless you can delay your audio...these convertors should be used for digital signage solutions or presentation solutions not for watching films in the best possible quality.
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@@defectivehamster8778 good solution, but cost more than 200 $ to do this properly..
Hey Nils, Its June 2024 and I am so glad that I happened to chance upon your video as I was searching for options to extend my HDMI connection upto approx 30 ft. Your solution is still relevant after 6 yrs. I am going to try out the HDMI over Ethernet solution. So thank you once again for the detailed explanation and the demo of how you set it up.
I've had a similar issue in the past with fried components through HDMI. But from my experiences it was not the length of the HDMI or the HDMI connection its self that was the issue. What had happened in my case was a voltage spike through the ethernet cable connecting my receiver to my router that came through my coax modem which at the time was unprotected. Needless to say the whole experience was unpleasant, and left me with a dead projector and receiver. I found your video to be helpful and insightful to the various types of methods for running HDMI video signal over long distances.
Great video and cleared up some questions I had and also gave me additional options to consider. As a side note, I use braided mason's line/string when pulling wire through conduit (if not using a fish tape). It's cheap and strong. Tie a sandwich bag to the end and stick in conduit. Put the hose from a shop vac in the other end of the conduit and it'll be there in a second or two max. Works great and is extremely fast. I've gone a couple hundred feet using it.
Hey man, love the videos. Very informative. I've been a TV contractor for many years, I've never had this issue, specifically 25 ft or so but many times AVRs hdmi get blasted back in to cabinets like that and bend the hdmi out port on AVRs. That happens all the time to customers but never heard this. But I dont doubt it, and interesting info. In 2015-18 hdmi over ethernet was trending, starting to level off with so much wifi vs cat6 lines.
I am a member of a Home Theater group about 5k members. I wrote a post about the problem you were having. No one has vet gad this happen to them . Some are running 75’ to 125’ HDMI cables. That doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t happen but you would think with all those people someone would encounter it. Good luck and hope you have a fix.
Anthony, question. i did that with the HDMi over Ethernet (running from by IT Rack "Receiver" to my "Projector" about 50 ft, the colors are washed when using the HDMI over Ethernet. Had you overcome that with your setup?
OMG.... finally an answer to what has happened to my two Denon av receivers! I’ve been searching for a video like this on and off for almost two years and I find it while searching for hdmi switches as a work around. You just got a new subscriber. THANK YOU!!!
Play burn down a Marantz and two different Denon receivers and now a Sony 30 inch monitor playing with this idiotic badly designed interface system I’m going back to Stereo
When we were building our house 5 years ago I tried to get someone in to set up all the rooms so that all the sources were in one location. When I contacted my local tech guys it the cost would have started at $5k just to run the cable. That wasn't in the budget. In the short amount of time I had to figure it and the tech that was available to me at the time I decided to run coax, cat5 and HDMI to cover all the bases at 20% the cost of the tech guys. Four rooms have 100ft runs, one has 50ft. :-/ Five years later, still going strong on the HDMI. The only thing that burned out so far was the original HDMI switch which I upgraded when I swapped it out. I wish I had discovered your option #4 back then, it would have saved time, effort and the stress of the HDMI getting stolen or having a screw pierce it during the house build. It also would have eliminated the need for extra lines for the infrared repeaters. That's a long way to say that I never had a problem with my HDMI at 100ft but appreciate your video and learning about option #4 (8:15) if I need it in the future.
Thank you! This video saved my Christmas. Had an active 15m hdmi cabel and had connect it wrong. A shift then there was signal! Halleluja ❤ Have a Merry Christmas and a fantastic new year 🙏⭐🎅
Nice video, I wasn’t aware that there were so many options. I use the optical HDMI cable myself. I did have one HDMI input burn out due to my cable box(at least this is what Marantz said the problem was especially with Comcast) which was a long run as well. I went with the optical cable from my receiver to my tv and projector because it was a long run and I noticed that my Apple TV would give me an error message every time I tried to set it up to produce Dolby vision. The message said something about connection capability and all my cables were supposed to be 4K and HDR compatible. After switching the cable , no more problems and all images improved.
4K hdr is a very tricky thing. If you are trying to run anything to one location that is over 25-30 feet it’s hard to choose between cable hdmi or extenders. My extenders are a crap shoot with my av rev. It works when it wants to and doesn’t when it feels like. Just keep playing around until u find the best fit for u.
I am having a similar issue. My old receivers would work just fine on a 50'+ high quality HMDI but when I went to upgrade to a new receiver, I would get intermittent black screens and sometimes loose audio as well. The first new received completely stopped working within minutes of installing it the equipment rack. The new replacement would at least work sometimes but immediately started going to black screen. Finally, the 3rd new Integra receiver was doing the same thing - [but when I put my 8 year old Integra back in the system, it would work fine] and numerous tech calls - I finally reached a tech support manager that informed me the new HDMI standards are only made to run 15' max and this was the cause of my issues & why the old receiver would work. As a retired AV tech/designer/owner, I had no idea the new protocol was like this. Switching to CAT Baluns has solved the issue completely. Unlike some of the haters below, I think he's on the right track and not trying to scam anyone into buying an item that he'd maybe make a $1 on...
Great video about options for extension of HDMI. This solution will clearly work and for people wanting to send 4K video I am told it is a good solution. However, your problem was not getting the video signal to run over the cable, it was getting the driver to last. Why not use one of your splitters to drive the cable directly? Then it it burns out you are out $15. Or get an amplifier if you can find one. The option I just used was to put my Chromecast right at the projector with an audio extractor inline. Then I ran the audio back to the amp over SPDIF-coax. You could have put your Apple TV at the projector and run the audio back.
For those saying a hdmi cable won't fry an AV receiver or projector, you don't know what you are saying. Yes the cable itself won't, but the impact of the projector recieving the 5v single will as the signal continuously drops so the equipment cycles and continuosly looks for the signal. In time the internals short. I too have gone through 2 recieverss and a projector due to using a 10 meter (32 ft) hdmi cable. Changed to a 5 meter and all fine with no picture spiking
this does not make electronic sense. the amp is not a fuse, it will output a voltage that will propagate out the wire. If the wire is long, that means the signal at the other end will not be as strong as the source due to resistance in the wire. The higher the resistance, the receiver will reduce its output, not increase it. I have been running hundreds of projectors in halls all over Ontario and all have at least 100 feet cable.. the oldest is now hitting 15 years. I would say your problem is not the length of your cable, but a short in your projector input. Sorry but that is 45 years of Electronic Tech Experience saying your wrong.
Thats not how that works. Long cables can cause a voltage drop which increases current draw. This puts stress on the ampifiers output and will cause damage over time.
You are wrong, resistance can overload a power source and it drops in voltage which stresses components inside the receiver. You need to go back to school. Next, you will tell me it is fine to send 30 amps down a 18 AWG wire for 500 feet or something insane.
Just a tech though. I have worked in manufacturing and engineering and know you are focused incorrectly. It like when you inspect a house. I can always tell what the GC did versus an electrician or plumber. The GC's are always short cutting, breaking code and generally F'g up. Unless you can explain a Zener diode's specificity without googling it then shut up!
i cant thank you enough for your explanation. i have spent a lot of $$$ on cables and joiners and endless headache as i always thought that my receiver is the culprit. i just couldnt accept that my flagship receiver kept dropping the signal over 30+ metres cables... i even got a replacement hdmi board for the receiver and it was still the same... until i came across your video and realised that ces spec cable length is only about 5m...
Just want to say thank you, your video has helped me get back on track. The CAT 6 w the hdmi worked perfect to me, especially the distance I had to travel from receiver to projector. Thanks again
Thanks! When I finished the basement, I installed can lights every few feet. Some folks thought it was way overkill but it's all on dimmers and the basement doesn't feel so "basement-y" :)
I already got a 50ft passive HDMI cable (Amazon Basics ) and it is amazing. I considered the wireless option, but was afraid of the speed. the value i got for the money was optimum. Thank you for the other options and comparing the 4 options, that is quite neat and informative
Seriously? I got it wrong. I watched a bunch of videos where showing it connected to a receiver or blu-ray but it looked like there was no light. Very cool that it's actually there! And again, thanks for saving the day, Seth.
You keep mentioning Ethernet on your video as though it is interchangeable with cat5/6/7, they aren’t the same thing! Ethernet is a networking protocol that can run on cat5 cabling but cat5 cabling doesn’t exclusively carry Ethernet. This may cause confusion with ethernet(network) switches with people thinking they will work to route/duplicate the signal but they won’t in most cases- not hours anyway as you recommend hdbaset protocol which is fine! But different... The cable is called ‘twisted pair’ and cat5/6 etc are the standards for the cable based on the internal makeup, thickness twists etc Hope this helps avoid confusion!!
I have a 40M HDMI cable and all I did was power inject with a 5$ HDMI splitter in 4K. I see you do go over it in the vid but not enough considering how cheap it is. love your vids.
Wish I had found this months ago. Have a 50’ hdmi run from closet to tv and it kept killing the cable box (plugged a small tv in with different cord and still didn’t work). Also could only get 1080 signal. Went through three boxes over two years, finally switched over and 4K works now as a bonus.
Fiber optic and/or HDBaseT are recommended extensions if there is any uncertainty about if there are different grounds/phases. Plan HDMI cables and SDI coax may be dangerous if there are different phase or ground at the output. (Perhaps the roof installation is running on the lamps power circuit, so there is different power up there).
This was a good video. I appreciate this kind of info. I don't work with AV much, but I do work with network equipment daily. The one thing I would be weary about is that media converters are usually the first point of failure in a system when things stop working. Seeing asbhow you chose a media converter for your setup you may want to get a backup media converter or prep yourself to buy an upgraded media converter in the next year or so. The optical HDMI probably would have been my choice since you only need 1 cable in this situation.
Small update for anyone watching in 2022: Fiber optic HDMI is the only way for HDMI 2.1 HDMI 2.1 uses 48gbps which no Ethernet cable can accomplish (probably never will). The tech caps out around 10gbps. HDMI 2.1 is needed for 4k120hz and 8k.
Just my own personal experience on this issue. I damaged two hdmi boards on two different Sony AVR receivers (never anything Sony again) with long 50ft. hdmi cable runs. I did use the top gauge hdmi cables I could get from Monoprice at the time of the installation in 2009. I did as much research as I could on this issue, then I switched the layout the media center room around (very low WAF) and finally moved the 65" Panasonic plasma display closer to the media center switched to a Denon AVR in 2013 with max hdmi cable length of 12ft. No problems at all for the last 5 years.
As a pro installer this is my experience.. Your cable most likely did not damage your receiver. Here are my basic guidelines, I use Yamaha receivers with high quality HDMI cables up to about 40', after that distance I go HDbaseT, I have countless systems out there working perfectly. I have encountered systems installed by others that have HDMI runs over 50' working fine. I have also seen freezing and glitching at longer distances which is why I don't risk it. Cheers and good luck.
@@RexyFan not sure tbh, but I can tell you HDMI is VERY fragile, it only runs at 5v...you can easily induce a higher voltage into the circuit several ways thus causing damage. I just shipped out a Yamaha Aventage for repair under warranty due to no HDMI video out...peace
Thanks for the video. Any idea if I could use this with an older receiver that doesn't have an HDMI input I'm not sure if that is what you meant in your "options"? I know that there are some adapters out there but from what I understand they are limited to 1180. Also how were you getting audio out of your receiver?
I'm sorry that you've experienced so many problems with defective receivers, but your long HDMI cables are NOT the problem. Please do more research before you scare others with this false information. Try HDMI.org and see what they recommend about long cable runs. You really should consider taking this video down.
People, think about it, we are in the digital age, not analog, the length of the cable for digital does not matter. Cable can be and are 10 miles long, no problem. How do you think TV gets to your house?
thats not really true now. I couldn't pass a 3d signal with a cheaper hdmi cable over 35 feet. An active cable worked. 4k will have the same issue. Sure you can pass a normal 1080i signal pretty far over a cheap cable but higher bandwidth feeds you need a better cable.@@robertkat
Looking at how his receiver is sticking off the shelf, makes me think that you are correct. It does look like he isn't giving his receiver enough breathing room on that tiny little shelf. He should either look into installing a bigger shelf, or putting the receiver somewhere else in his home theater.
And now that i think about it, he now has that little powered box sitting on top of the receiver for the HDMI over Ethernet. If overheating and poor ventilation are the real cause of the fried receivers, than the solution he showed in the video will probably only speed up the issue. Time will tell. It's been a couple of months, I wonder how its doing now.
Space is tight on the shelf but not terrible. I'm guessing the bigger issue is trying to drive hi resistance speakers with a relatively cheap receiver. Best to get a real amplifier and use the receiver as a pre out processor.
Just what I was about to say. Putting electronics in a sealed space almost guarantees that they will fry after a while. This is valid for freezers, washing machines, microwaves and even light bulbs!That being said a long cable can in some extreme case fry the inputs and / or outputs because it is essentialy a bing antenna. Most often is a receiveing end that does not have the correct impedance (the projector in this case). That is why a optic cable is preferable. It may still not work, but if it does you will have inherent protection from it.
nice video. im impressed you do this on your own. i wouldve thought all those royalty checks from NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP would find you hiring an install team.
So hdmi can only run about 15 feet before you’ll need an extender. Over Ethernet is honestly your best bet. Or if your running over 1,000 feet you can do it over a fiber extender for better range!
How does any of these handle HDCP protocols?? I don't have a long cable run, but for the PS3, PS4, & cable box comes up with a HDCP error or for the PS4 it doesn't boot when turned on (just a white light not the blue ... but change out the cable for a short one and it boots and shows on the screen with no issues)
@@john_thorpe i have had good results with a aurum branded cables sold on ebay for cheap. Some cables are just too cheap or use really thin wires even with hdr technology this are good also there are now several hdmi versions as of now 2.1 is the latest See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI For more info.
Please stop false infos, hdmi lenght will never « kill » any device. Use bigger awg hdmi cable or active (like monoprice redmere) when lenght is too long. fibers or cat6 should not be use except when much longer run then 30ft lol.
I do use cat6 hdmi to switch a receiver between basement projector and outdoor tv. Every tv in my house seems to have 25+ feet to receiver. I’d love a 8x8 hdbaset but they are 2k
I feel like your video helped me dodge a bullet. I was simply curious about options other than long hdmi even though I had managed to snag a $20 50 foot cable on a huge discount btu it would have been passive. It was going to run from my expensive pc gpu to a tv across the room until I saw your video. So when you talked about your 3 fried receivers I immediately canceled the order. Instead I looked around on amazon and thanks lightning striking twice for huge discounts I just found a 50 foot optical hdmi cable with loads of good reviews for only $23 and $5 shipping
Been a broadcast technician for 25 years and the issue is most likely your projector. Sounds like a grounding issue on you display/projector end. I'd check your power sources on both the AMP and the projector ,
Daniel I in our local building code all outlets in a room should have same ground and phase. So it it is a ground loop issue, the power installation is shady. But Ethernet/HDBaseT extenders ought to solve such problems as they are floating ground and typical use cases for Ethernet include long cables to different rooms.
Magic Trick88 HDMI over cat carries audio, both LPCM and bitstream (Dolby digital, DTS, Etc.). I HDMI the audio stream is encoded in the vertical blanking interval of the video signal so unless the extender is specifically designed to block it audio will always be present.
Thanks for a great video! I wish I had seen it before I went wireless HDMI. I have two iogear wireless HDMI transmitter / receiver pairs, and they're both worthless now -- working intermittently and generally making it really frustrating to watch or play anything. I would definitely NOT suggest going this route, and especially NOT with iogear. I contacted them and they basically said 'buy a new one' which was obviously not what I wanted to hear after almost $500 in investment just a few years ago. I decided to try active HDMI 30 ft cables from Monoprice, and I'm going to run it through the wall. Wish me luck!
I have to agree with everyone else saying its not the cable length. Ive been using 30ft hdmi for 5 years on 2 different projectors and 2 different receivers. One was just a cheap blu-ray/receiver combo. I used low and and higher-end hdmi (only virtual difference with low vs high quality hdmi is maybe the gauge of wire). I don't disagree with using difference methods though. However, if HDMI length was really a problem, companies would put right on the box or at least in the first page of the manual, "DO NOT USE LONGER THAN 15ft HDMI." Last thing companies want is warranty replacements. If this was true, people would be burning out computers, ethernet routers and switches all the time. Almost all issues can be related to overheating or shorting out of components. The only instance I have heard of where the wire or component being hooked up can ruin a receiver, is connecting up a speaker with an impedance outside of the proper range and cranking the volume for an extended time. Having said all that, I think the idea of optical hdmi is a great suggestion.
Great video, I too like the Ethernet option. I REALLY wish when I did my setup when building the house I put 2" conduit to certain rooms, PITA now of course,
Great video! I had a problem where my projector image was cycling off and on and after watching this realized my hdmi cable could be the problem. I hooked up a shorter cable from a different source and the projector was fine, i'm still deciding which option to use but you potentially saved me from frying my reciever. Thanks
thank you for all the great information, well appreciated !!! I have another idea that may work also with out all the cables & that would be to connect one of my JOEYS from dish network to the projector, I know, not everyone has JOEYS but your info is just great as I may not always have that option. Thanks again.
Great video. Didn’t know there was problem with long HDMI cable long run and didn’t know there are so many different solution to the problem. Learned a lot. Thank you. I needed to connect a projector that mount on the back ceiling to the source which is at the front of the room. I choose the 50ft optical cable. I guess the price went down since this video. The cable is only $64 now at Amazon. Once I receive the cable I’ll test it and update my comment here.
Awesome selection, I've been using HDMI over Ethernet for a while, I'd always recommend going with Cat6 or 6a at a minimum also do two shots between the devices. Good to have a backup, or some require two runs of Ethernet.
Something i overlooked when buying 4k projector was the cables. I use a standard 2.0 50ft cable now and my 1080p was flawless once i hooked 4k up i had color artifacts, text not clean, and colors were off. direct hooked a 6ft to my apple tv box all problems fixed so opted for the ethernet boxes suppose to arrive tomorrow, here's hoping for the best. Thanks for the help.
What were you frying, the HDMI board the power supply, the amplifier chips? As the longer HDMI cables could never harm the output it won't put more draw on the system, you have a short somewhere in your system that is the only thing that will make your system draw excessive current.
It is Not Ethernet. The 4th option you chose is a good choice and uses the Catx cables. But the signal is not transmitted over Ethernet. It is called HDBaseT. It does however use an Ethernet cable, which is why you assumed it was. Nice video. 😎
My local audio company tried to sell me a $1500 hdmi cable. A $3500 outdoor hdtv. I laughed and walked out. I can buy 8 decent televisions and seal them if it lasts one year i can toss it buy a new one. I need a much longer run. Thanks for making this video. I'm still looking at my options.
I like the fact that you are using fishing line but I would suggest upgrading to bailing twine in the future for the simple fact that fishing line tends to stretch. I have had it happen to me in the past and would not like to see it happen to you because it is a pain in the you know what.
I have a Yamaha receiver with multiple HDMI input and a single output. My projector is approx. 20ft away and will not handshake. Can I use the ethernet extender on the output side of the receiver and still maintain the switching ability between inputs?
Haven't tried it but our theater area is more of a dual use area. There's a kitchenette behind it and a ping pong table adjacent to it so we haven't take it to that next level.
LRN2DIY Ok , there’s plenty of them on UA-cam. But your videos are done very well and easy to understand. I had to order my Kreg Jig . And once I get that I will try the panels. Then next the DYI 235:1 screen .
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UPDATE: Many commenters are suggesting that the HDMI cable was never the problem, which doesn't explain the three fried receivers, but I have changed the title and thumbnail to reflect the fact that this video shares 4 methods for running A/V over long distances. I still hope this helps others to not have the issues I have had.
What about sdi and converters?
Sure, but the video still contains incorrect information. Maybe you could edit it out since you have a lot of subscribers. You could save them a lot of trouble by being more factually correct.
all things aside: Ethernet convertors induce other problems... Your HDMI signal gets 2 conversions which can lead up to 6 frames delay between video en audio depending on the quality of those boxes... Thats a lot... so unless you can delay your audio...these convertors should be used for digital signage solutions or presentation solutions not for watching films in the best possible quality.
@@defectivehamster8778 good solution, but cost more than 200 $ to do this properly..
Why would he use optical, doesn’t it only do stereo, he would be missing out on surround sound in his home theatre completely?
Hey Nils, Its June 2024 and I am so glad that I happened to chance upon your video as I was searching for options to extend my HDMI connection upto approx 30 ft. Your solution is still relevant after 6 yrs. I am going to try out the HDMI over Ethernet solution.
So thank you once again for the detailed explanation and the demo of how you set it up.
I've had a similar issue in the past with fried components through HDMI. But from my experiences it was not the length of the HDMI or the HDMI connection its self that was the issue. What had happened in my case was a voltage spike through the ethernet cable connecting my receiver to my router that came through my coax modem which at the time was unprotected. Needless to say the whole experience was unpleasant, and left me with a dead projector and receiver. I found your video to be helpful and insightful to the various types of methods for running HDMI video signal over long distances.
Great video and cleared up some questions I had and also gave me additional options to consider.
As a side note, I use braided mason's line/string when pulling wire through conduit (if not using a fish tape). It's cheap and strong. Tie a sandwich bag to the end and stick in conduit. Put the hose from a shop vac in the other end of the conduit and it'll be there in a second or two max. Works great and is extremely fast. I've gone a couple hundred feet using it.
ALL of Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Surf City, CA
Hey man, love the videos. Very informative. I've been a TV contractor for many years, I've never had this issue, specifically 25 ft or so but many times AVRs hdmi get blasted back in to cabinets like that and bend the hdmi out port on AVRs. That happens all the time to customers but never heard this. But I dont doubt it, and interesting info. In 2015-18 hdmi over ethernet was trending, starting to level off with so much wifi vs cat6 lines.
Great video! I've got some long runs in my house and have had the best luck using HDMI over ethernet as well... Keep up the great content!
I am a member of a Home Theater group about 5k members. I wrote a post about the problem you were having. No one has vet gad this happen to them . Some are running 75’ to 125’ HDMI cables. That doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t happen but you would think with all those people someone would encounter it. Good luck and hope you have a fix.
Even in the middle of the video, I can see that you did a very good research. Thumb up for you man.
I’ve worked with this technology for a while now! I absolutely love HDMI over Cat5e/6/7!
Anthony, question. i did that with the HDMi over Ethernet (running from by IT Rack "Receiver" to my "Projector" about 50 ft, the colors are washed when using the HDMI over Ethernet. Had you overcome that with your setup?
OMG.... finally an answer to what has happened to my two Denon av receivers! I’ve been searching for a video like this on and off for almost two years and I find it while searching for hdmi switches as a work around. You just got a new subscriber. THANK YOU!!!
Play burn down a Marantz and two different Denon receivers and now a Sony 30 inch monitor playing with this idiotic badly designed interface system I’m going back to Stereo
Very helpful. I never knew about these options until I watched (and subscribed) your post
When we were building our house 5 years ago I tried to get someone in to set up all the rooms so that all the sources were in one location. When I contacted my local tech guys it the cost would have started at $5k just to run the cable. That wasn't in the budget. In the short amount of time I had to figure it and the tech that was available to me at the time I decided to run coax, cat5 and HDMI to cover all the bases at 20% the cost of the tech guys. Four rooms have 100ft runs, one has 50ft. :-/ Five years later, still going strong on the HDMI. The only thing that burned out so far was the original HDMI switch which I upgraded when I swapped it out. I wish I had discovered your option #4 back then, it would have saved time, effort and the stress of the HDMI getting stolen or having a screw pierce it during the house build. It also would have eliminated the need for extra lines for the infrared repeaters.
That's a long way to say that I never had a problem with my HDMI at 100ft but appreciate your video and learning about option #4 (8:15) if I need it in the future.
Thank you! This video saved my Christmas. Had an active 15m hdmi cabel and had connect it wrong. A shift then there was signal! Halleluja ❤ Have a Merry Christmas and a fantastic new year 🙏⭐🎅
Nice video, I wasn’t aware that there were so many options. I use the optical HDMI cable myself. I did have one HDMI input burn out due to my cable box(at least this is what Marantz said the problem was especially with Comcast) which was a long run as well. I went with the optical cable from my receiver to my tv and projector because it was a long run and I noticed that my Apple TV would give me an error message every time I tried to set it up to produce Dolby vision. The message said something about connection capability and all my cables were supposed to be 4K and HDR compatible. After switching the cable , no more problems and all images improved.
This was helpful in my decision on what to do for 30 and 50ft runs of cable to my TVs from my network rack. Thanks!
4K hdr is a very tricky thing. If you are trying to run anything to one location that is over 25-30 feet it’s hard to choose between cable hdmi or extenders. My extenders are a crap shoot with my av rev. It works when it wants to and doesn’t when it feels like. Just keep playing around until u find the best fit for u.
I am having a similar issue. My old receivers would work just fine on a 50'+ high quality HMDI but when I went to upgrade to a new receiver, I would get intermittent black screens and sometimes loose audio as well. The first new received completely stopped working within minutes of installing it the equipment rack. The new replacement would at least work sometimes but immediately started going to black screen. Finally, the 3rd new Integra receiver was doing the same thing - [but when I put my 8 year old Integra back in the system, it would work fine] and numerous tech calls - I finally reached a tech support manager that informed me the new HDMI standards are only made to run 15' max and this was the cause of my issues & why the old receiver would work.
As a retired AV tech/designer/owner, I had no idea the new protocol was like this. Switching to CAT Baluns has solved the issue completely.
Unlike some of the haters below, I think he's on the right track and not trying to scam anyone into buying an item that he'd maybe make a $1 on...
HDMI output levels are quite low and the electrical components used in that section of the receiver are also fairly sensitive.
Great video about options for extension of HDMI. This solution will clearly work and for people wanting to send 4K video I am told it is a good solution. However, your problem was not getting the video signal to run over the cable, it was getting the driver to last. Why not use one of your splitters to drive the cable directly? Then it it burns out you are out $15. Or get an amplifier if you can find one.
The option I just used was to put my Chromecast right at the projector with an audio extractor inline. Then I ran the audio back to the amp over SPDIF-coax. You could have put your Apple TV at the projector and run the audio back.
And I imagine your audio and video become out of sync?
@@d.cannaboom9769 I have not noticed any delay in the audio. We have used this for months.
For those saying a hdmi cable won't fry an AV receiver or projector, you don't know what you are saying. Yes the cable itself won't, but the impact of the projector recieving the 5v single will as the signal continuously drops so the equipment cycles and continuosly looks for the signal. In time the internals short. I too have gone through 2 recieverss and a projector due to using a 10 meter (32 ft) hdmi cable. Changed to a 5 meter and all fine with no picture spiking
this does not make electronic sense. the amp is not a fuse, it will output a voltage that will propagate out the wire.
If the wire is long, that means the signal at the other end will not be as strong as the source due to resistance in the wire. The higher the resistance, the receiver will reduce its output, not increase it.
I have been running hundreds of projectors in halls all over Ontario and all have at least 100 feet cable.. the oldest is now hitting 15 years. I would say your problem is not the length of your cable, but a short in your projector input.
Sorry but that is 45 years of Electronic Tech Experience saying your wrong.
Sam, add 'Heat Shrink' to the list please.
scamin sam He is just trying to sell his Snake Oil! Idiot!
Thats not how that works.
Long cables can cause a voltage drop which increases current draw. This puts stress on the ampifiers output and will cause damage over time.
You are wrong, resistance can overload a power source and it drops in voltage which stresses components inside the receiver. You need to go back to school. Next, you will tell me it is fine to send 30 amps down a 18 AWG wire for 500 feet or something insane.
Just a tech though. I have worked in manufacturing and engineering and know you are focused incorrectly. It like when you inspect a house. I can always tell what the GC did versus an electrician or plumber. The GC's are always short cutting, breaking code and generally F'g up. Unless you can explain a Zener diode's specificity without googling it then shut up!
i cant thank you enough for your explanation. i have spent a lot of $$$ on cables and joiners and endless headache as i always thought that my receiver is the culprit. i just couldnt accept that my flagship receiver kept dropping the signal over 30+ metres cables... i even got a replacement hdmi board for the receiver and it was still the same... until i came across your video and realised that ces spec cable length is only about 5m...
Just want to say thank you, your video has helped me get back on track. The CAT 6 w the hdmi worked perfect to me, especially the distance I had to travel from receiver to projector. Thanks again
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing your success story and I'm so glad it worked out.
A very talented presenter. So clear in your explanations
Thank you! Very kind of you to leave that comment.
The lighting in your home is incredible it looks like a show room
Thanks! When I finished the basement, I installed can lights every few feet. Some folks thought it was way overkill but it's all on dimmers and the basement doesn't feel so "basement-y" :)
Incredibly helpful!🎉
I already got a 50ft passive HDMI cable (Amazon Basics ) and it is amazing. I considered the wireless option, but was afraid of the speed. the value i got for the money was optimum. Thank you for the other options and comparing the 4 options, that is quite neat and informative
Great video, thanks. One question, does the HDMI over Ethernet also transmit audio?
Thank you. Excellent presentation.
great vid! helped me a lot setting up my church video system. thanks!!
Hey Nils! Happy to help, yes you can see the red optical light come out of the ends. :)
Seriously? I got it wrong. I watched a bunch of videos where showing it connected to a receiver or blu-ray but it looked like there was no light. Very cool that it's actually there! And again, thanks for saving the day, Seth.
never had a problem ! been running long HDMI cables for 50 years now
your idiot HDMI hasnt not been around for 50 years lol
Lol
Big thanks for clearing my doubts
You keep mentioning Ethernet on your video as though it is interchangeable with cat5/6/7, they aren’t the same thing! Ethernet is a networking protocol that can run on cat5 cabling but cat5 cabling doesn’t exclusively carry Ethernet. This may cause confusion with ethernet(network) switches with people thinking they will work to route/duplicate the signal but they won’t in most cases- not hours anyway as you recommend hdbaset protocol which is fine! But different...
The cable is called ‘twisted pair’ and cat5/6 etc are the standards for the cable based on the internal makeup, thickness twists etc
Hope this helps avoid confusion!!
Very useful information
many thanks for this very good sharing
This info is gold. Thank you!
I have a 40M HDMI cable and all I did was power inject with a 5$ HDMI splitter in 4K. I see you do go over it in the vid but not enough considering how cheap it is. love your vids.
Wish I had found this months ago. Have a 50’ hdmi run from closet to tv and it kept killing the cable box (plugged a small tv in with different cord and still didn’t work). Also could only get 1080 signal. Went through three boxes over two years, finally switched over and 4K works now as a bonus.
Fiber optic and/or HDBaseT are recommended extensions if there is any uncertainty about if there are different grounds/phases. Plan HDMI cables and SDI coax may be dangerous if there are different phase or ground at the output. (Perhaps the roof installation is running on the lamps power circuit, so there is different power up there).
This was a good video. I appreciate this kind of info. I don't work with AV much, but I do work with network equipment daily. The one thing I would be weary about is that media converters are usually the first point of failure in a system when things stop working. Seeing asbhow you chose a media converter for your setup you may want to get a backup media converter or prep yourself to buy an upgraded media converter in the next year or so. The optical HDMI probably would have been my choice since you only need 1 cable in this situation.
That's exactly what l thought HDMI Optical would of been easier
Thanks man, this has stumped me! Active one the way from Amazon.
Sir, thanks for sharing the technique to swap HDMI lines. Now, I can upgrade the existing HDMI to 4k HDMI.
Thank you for this.
Great video, I too like the Ethernet option. Thanks
Great video! And cool project. Thank you so much for taking the time to produce it.
Excellent explanation, wiring my basement now BBC and this was exactly what I was looking for!
Small update for anyone watching in 2022:
Fiber optic HDMI is the only way for HDMI 2.1
HDMI 2.1 uses 48gbps which no Ethernet cable can accomplish (probably never will). The tech caps out around 10gbps.
HDMI 2.1 is needed for 4k120hz and 8k.
Just my own personal experience on this issue. I damaged two hdmi boards on two different Sony AVR receivers (never anything Sony again) with long 50ft. hdmi cable runs. I did use the top gauge hdmi cables I could get from Monoprice at the time of the installation in 2009. I did as much research as I could on this issue, then I switched the layout the media center room around (very low WAF) and finally moved the 65" Panasonic plasma display closer to the media center switched to a Denon AVR in 2013 with max hdmi cable length of 12ft. No problems at all for the last 5 years.
As a pro installer this is my experience..
Your cable most likely did not damage your receiver. Here are my basic guidelines, I use Yamaha receivers with high quality HDMI cables up to about 40', after that distance I go HDbaseT, I have countless systems out there working perfectly. I have encountered systems installed by others that have HDMI runs over 50' working fine. I have also seen freezing and glitching at longer distances which is why I don't risk it. Cheers and good luck.
What do you think was damaging the receivers?
@@RexyFan not sure tbh, but I can tell you HDMI is VERY fragile, it only runs at 5v...you can easily induce a higher voltage into the circuit several ways thus causing damage. I just shipped out a Yamaha Aventage for repair under warranty due to no HDMI video out...peace
@@poserwannabe1 is the optical hdmi can run smoothly even if it is 50m? I need your help :> pls
@@davepontillas5275 no I wouldn't go that distance, it might work yes but I would use baluns because they will GUARANTEED work 👍 peace
Thanks for the video. Any idea if I could use this with an older receiver that doesn't have an HDMI input I'm not sure if that is what you meant in your "options"? I know that there are some adapters out there but from what I understand they are limited to 1180. Also how were you getting audio out of your receiver?
This is one of the best videos I have watched to help me set up my home theatre. Thank you!
I'm sorry that you've experienced so many problems with defective receivers, but your long HDMI cables are NOT the problem. Please do more research before you scare others with this false information. Try HDMI.org and see what they recommend about long cable runs. You really should consider taking this video down.
its a not so clearly sponsored ad. You are correct but the guy is try to make money off misinformation. Hense the links.
People, think about it, we are in the digital age, not analog, the length of the cable for digital does not matter. Cable can be and are 10 miles long, no problem. How do you think TV gets to your house?
thats not really true now. I couldn't pass a 3d signal with a cheaper hdmi cable over 35 feet. An active cable worked. 4k will have the same issue. Sure you can pass a normal 1080i signal pretty far over a cheap cable but higher bandwidth feeds you need a better cable.@@robertkat
Just subscribed. Appreciate the options you mentioned for long runs.
HDMI over Ethernet is a great solution.
Yeah, it was designed from the beginning to handle higher signal strengths then HDMI, which made PPOE, etc. much easy to adopt into it.
His receivers are burning up because there not being properly ventilated!!!
Looking at how his receiver is sticking off the shelf, makes me think that you are correct. It does look like he isn't giving his receiver enough breathing room on that tiny little shelf. He should either look into installing a bigger shelf, or putting the receiver somewhere else in his home theater.
And now that i think about it, he now has that little powered box sitting on top of the receiver for the HDMI over Ethernet. If overheating and poor ventilation are the real cause of the fried receivers, than the solution he showed in the video will probably only speed up the issue. Time will tell. It's been a couple of months, I wonder how its doing now.
Space is tight on the shelf but not terrible. I'm guessing the bigger issue is trying to drive hi resistance speakers with a relatively cheap receiver. Best to get a real amplifier and use the receiver as a pre out processor.
Just what I was about to say. Putting electronics in a sealed space almost guarantees that they will fry after a while. This is valid for freezers, washing machines, microwaves and even light bulbs!That being said a long cable can in some extreme case fry the inputs and / or outputs because it is essentialy a bing antenna. Most often is a receiveing end that does not have the correct impedance (the projector in this case). That is why a optic cable is preferable. It may still not work, but if it does you will have inherent protection from it.
Wrong! The whole unit would go not just one jack!
I have been running a 10m (30ft) cable on the same Yamaha receiver for the last 5 years and never had an issue. Your projector might be the problem.
Me too, but mine is one year younger that yours.
nice video. im impressed you do this on your own. i wouldve thought all those royalty checks from NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP would find you hiring an install team.
So hdmi can only run about 15 feet before you’ll need an extender. Over Ethernet is honestly your best bet. Or if your running over 1,000 feet you can do it over a fiber extender for better range!
I do custom installation for 10+ years and have never had this problem
How does any of these handle HDCP protocols?? I don't have a long cable run, but for the PS3, PS4, & cable box comes up with a HDCP error or for the PS4 it doesn't boot when turned on (just a white light not the blue ... but change out the cable for a short one and it boots and shows on the screen with no issues)
@@john_thorpe i have had good results with a aurum branded cables sold on ebay for cheap. Some cables are just too cheap or use really thin wires even with hdr technology this are good also there are now several hdmi versions as of now 2.1 is the latest
See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
For more info.
@@john_thorpe Pass-through
Have a 100ft cable and really want 1-50ft. And 2-25ft.
Can I splice these down?
Me neither I think he made this to promote something
Please stop false infos, hdmi lenght will never « kill » any device. Use bigger awg hdmi cable or active (like
monoprice redmere) when lenght is too long. fibers or cat6 should not be use except when much longer run then 30ft lol.
Also, 30 meters is NOT 100ft.
@@KB-hg1xm FFS, it is pretty close and he was approximating, jezzz, talk about anal.
@@KB-hg1xm YEAH!! It's only 98.42 ft!
Yeah, like the 100 feet I need. It may not help you but it will me.
What cable or size cable do I need to run 110 feet? Out to my detatch two car garage?
Great video!!! Very informative!!
I do use cat6 hdmi to switch a receiver between basement projector and outdoor tv. Every tv in my house seems to have 25+ feet to receiver. I’d love a 8x8 hdbaset but they are 2k
I feel like your video helped me dodge a bullet. I was simply curious about options other than long hdmi even though I had managed to snag a $20 50 foot cable on a huge discount btu it would have been passive. It was going to run from my expensive pc gpu to a tv across the room until I saw your video. So when you talked about your 3 fried receivers I immediately canceled the order. Instead I looked around on amazon and thanks lightning striking twice for huge discounts I just found a 50 foot optical hdmi cable with loads of good reviews for only $23 and $5 shipping
Been a broadcast technician for 25 years and the issue is most likely your projector. Sounds like a grounding issue on you display/projector end. I'd check your power sources on both the AMP and the projector ,
Probably different grounds at the receiver and the projector causing current to travel along the hdmi
A very plausible explanation
Daniel I in our local building code all outlets in a room should have same ground and phase. So it it is a ground loop issue, the power installation is shady. But Ethernet/HDBaseT extenders ought to solve such problems as they are floating ground and typical use cases for Ethernet include long cables to different rooms.
At 30 feet he should not be having this much of load issue with a decent cable.
I think to agree with this video because two of my AV receiver HDMI board died as I am using 15 meters HDMI cable to connect to the projector.
What screen are you using? A dyi ?
Can u see the light on hdmi optical fiber?
I am your subscriber , thank you for sharing your experience
Will hdmi over Ethernet carry sound too? Or just video?
Magic Trick88 HDMI over cat carries audio, both LPCM and bitstream (Dolby digital, DTS, Etc.). I HDMI the audio stream is encoded in the vertical blanking interval of the video signal so unless the extender is specifically designed to block it audio will always be present.
Thanks. Great information.
Thanks for a great video! I wish I had seen it before I went wireless HDMI. I have two iogear wireless HDMI transmitter / receiver pairs, and they're both worthless now -- working intermittently and generally making it really frustrating to watch or play anything. I would definitely NOT suggest going this route, and especially NOT with iogear. I contacted them and they basically said 'buy a new one' which was obviously not what I wanted to hear after almost $500 in investment just a few years ago. I decided to try active HDMI 30 ft cables from Monoprice, and I'm going to run it through the wall. Wish me luck!
Thanks! Great input.
Thank you so much! Glad i watched your video
Thanks buddy you solved my issue
I recommended your video on my Facebook page
I have to agree with everyone else saying its not the cable length. Ive been using 30ft hdmi for 5 years on 2 different projectors and 2 different receivers. One was just a cheap blu-ray/receiver combo. I used low and and higher-end hdmi (only virtual difference with low vs high quality hdmi is maybe the gauge of wire). I don't disagree with using difference methods though. However, if HDMI length was really a problem, companies would put right on the box or at least in the first page of the manual, "DO NOT USE LONGER THAN 15ft HDMI." Last thing companies want is warranty replacements. If this was true, people would be burning out computers, ethernet routers and switches all the time. Almost all issues can be related to overheating or shorting out of components. The only instance I have heard of where the wire or component being hooked up can ruin a receiver, is connecting up a speaker with an impedance outside of the proper range and cranking the volume for an extended time. Having said all that, I think the idea of optical hdmi is a great suggestion.
How do you connect TV at Day, , projector at night for movie time? Hdmi switcher?
Great video, I too like the Ethernet option. I REALLY wish when I did my setup when building the house I put 2" conduit to certain rooms, PITA now of course,
Hi Thanks brother I think I am going to do that good job all the way from South Africa thanks again.
Guys, I don't know how you could listen to him with that STATIC SOUND IN THE BACKGROUND!!!
Thanks for the home work done!
Great video! I had a problem where my projector image was cycling off and on and after watching this realized my hdmi cable could be the problem. I hooked up a shorter cable from a different source and the projector was fine, i'm still deciding which option to use but you potentially saved me from frying my reciever. Thanks
thank you for all the great information, well appreciated !!! I have another idea that may work also with out all the cables & that would be to connect one of my JOEYS from dish network to the projector, I know, not everyone has JOEYS but your info is just great as I may not always have that option. Thanks again.
Does the 4th option require line of sight? My receiver is hidden in a closet while.my TV is mounted on a wall adjacent to the closet
You should check in the description of the product to verify but not typically, no.
doing the same. Tried the passive (ethernet) version as well but the active version is jsut working way better.
Great video. Didn’t know there was problem with long HDMI cable long run and didn’t know there are so many different solution to the problem. Learned a lot. Thank you. I needed to connect a projector that mount on the back ceiling to the source which is at the front of the room. I choose the 50ft optical cable. I guess the price went down since this video. The cable is only $64 now at Amazon. Once I receive the cable I’ll test it and update my comment here.
You're welcome
Awesome selection, I've been using HDMI over Ethernet for a while, I'd always recommend going with Cat6 or 6a at a minimum also do two shots between the devices. Good to have a backup, or some require two runs of Ethernet.
Something i overlooked when buying 4k projector was the cables. I use a standard 2.0 50ft cable now and my 1080p was flawless once i hooked 4k up i had color artifacts, text not clean, and colors were off. direct hooked a 6ft to my apple tv box all problems fixed so opted for the ethernet boxes suppose to arrive tomorrow, here's hoping for the best. Thanks for the help.
What were you frying, the HDMI board the power supply, the amplifier chips? As the longer HDMI cables could never harm the output it won't put more draw on the system, you have a short somewhere in your system that is the only thing that will make your system draw excessive current.
braided or non-braided?
It is Not Ethernet. The 4th option you chose is a good choice and uses the Catx cables. But the signal is not transmitted over Ethernet. It is called HDBaseT. It does however use an Ethernet cable, which is why you assumed it was.
Nice video.
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I dont know how i got to this video, im drunk and dont need hdmi help, yet i am watching this
Great video. Well done. A lots info. Greatings from México.
did you have audio sync issues with this method?
Not at all. We've been using it for a few years now without issue.
How do you get the cable through the conduit the first time?
My local audio company tried to sell me a $1500 hdmi cable. A $3500 outdoor hdtv. I laughed and walked out. I can buy 8 decent televisions and seal them if it lasts one year i can toss it buy a new one. I need a much longer run. Thanks for making this video. I'm still looking at my options.
I like the fact that you are using fishing line but I would suggest upgrading to bailing twine in the future for the simple fact that fishing line tends to stretch. I have had it happen to me in the past and would not like to see it happen to you because it is a pain in the you know what.
Cool thanks HDMI over Ethernet
with the Ethernet solution can you run arc or earc?
As per the specs, it does support ARC - not certain about eARC though.
I have a Yamaha receiver with multiple HDMI input and a single output. My projector is approx. 20ft away and will not handshake. Can I use the ethernet extender on the output side of the receiver and still maintain the switching ability between inputs?
Do you or have you done acoustic panels for the home theater?
Haven't tried it but our theater area is more of a dual use area. There's a kitchenette behind it and a ping pong table adjacent to it so we haven't take it to that next level.
LRN2DIY Ok , there’s plenty of them on UA-cam. But your videos are done very well and easy to understand. I had to order my Kreg Jig . And once I get that I will try the panels. Then next the DYI 235:1 screen .