"I felt a great disturbance in the Verse, as if millions of Cutters suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly melted/CCU'd. I fear something terrible has happened."
The amount of fuel was the reason I bought the Cutter as my starter ship. For once, I do some proper research instead of purchasing like a headless chicken, I purchased based on a typo
Well to be fair, basicly everyone who did a video on it expected that the capacity was a bug/typo. Still, its a good little starter ship that will help you earn your way to something bigger in the finished game.
@@EdwardDragon96 I bought based on a video of LevelCap and heb didn’t mention it. But it’s okay. Once they fixed it I’ll just refuel more often. Adds to the immersion I guess.
"Typo".... yeah, sure. They probably think we are stupid. It's the same typo as two shields on Arrow, or three shields on Sabre. That kind of typo that boosts sales. Or the DPS typos solely on brand new ships.
Yep if we believed the cutter has 10 time what all other ship its size has then we are dumb ;D. And if a buyer even knows about this numbers then he is already far enough into SC that he should realize its not gona happen.
600 is too small, 600 is for light fighters, all light fighters has around 580 QT fuel. Cutter only has 4 SCU of storage, it is only right to think it will have a much larger QT fuel tank, like 2000. 600 is just too small to not melt it.
@@UBIQUITAR 1200 is tricky, it is like the amount that player won't get too upset about it. well, 1200 is twice as much as light and medium fighters (580 for them), not ideal as if it has 2000, but 1200 will do, with an Atlas it can still travel a far distance. 😃
@@edenyan7237 I will take 1200. That’s actually a fair number. Even if they wanted to push it down to 1000. I’d still take that. Just make it more than 600+
i was thinking in the range of 1000-1200. I know pisces has like 650 or something, the Nomad has around 770. They did the right thing to tone it down, I mean 6k is like overly very generous, my connie only has 3k qt fuel ( that's half of the current cutter has ) and Conny is way bigger ship than cutter lol
Do you have a source for this? Currently, there are no official information about a smaller quantum fuel for the cutter. In currently 3.18 build the Cutter has still 6000 liters.
There's no way the cutters quantum fuel could ever have really, seriously, been 6000. When I first saw that I knew it had to be a mistake, that's double the amount of even a constellation on such a tiny ship there's nowhere it could realistically be stored. If you bought this ship based on it's absurd, impossibly large fuel number thinking it was legit... well, you should, imho, take heart that you still got arguably the most feature filled and versatile starter that exists today. It'll still a great ship.
Its more quantum then pretty much all ships that are 4-5x the size. There's no way anybody could have seen that and think it was legit, and if they did, they're a 100% pure sucker.
@@Dude13450 Us newbs are suckers for making an misinformed decision buying a new starter, made and advertised to bring NEW players into the game? Good one
@@yaboitripp I wonder how that's going to work out in terms of distances or they're going to buff/nerf the economy of drives to match. It would suck to see that pretty much any ship will only be able to cross Stanton once before refueling (and I'm sure it would piss a lot of people off).
@@senorbob2909It's advertised on official sources as having the exact same fuel tanks as the other small starter ships. Nowhere does it say that it will have 10x the fuel of every other ship in its class. If you are doing enough research that you know how much fuel every starter ship has then you would also see the glaringly obvious typo in the numbers. If you did not look up the fuel capacity of every ship then you would have had no reason to expect to be carrying 10 ships worth of fuel and no reason to use that as your deciding factor when buying a starter ship. Really, I could understand this argument if it was a smaller amount. But it is literally 10x too much fuel. How could somebody not think that was a mistake (or that all other ships would soon receive a similar adjustment to fuel tank size)?
Considering 6400 litres would have meant a fuel tank nearly larger than the actual ship, this makes perfect sense. Got a 3k litre diesel fuel tank in my basement for reference. Don't buy starter ships you're planning to use as keepers at reveal sale events. More often than not, the stats page and/or brochures come with conveniently inconvenient typos and inaccuracies. Small ships just will not have range in the game. The entire game is going to focus on large ships piggybacking the small ones over long distances through deep space.
This is a conspiracy, it seriously got through an entire patch without being corrected? Highly doubt it. They knew what they were doing waiting so long when it could’ve been fixed in a minute.
It's called marketing dude look at how profitable the vulture is tight now, while it's locked behind a paywall and they are saying it's because "they want people to test and use it"
Imagine being such a l0ser that you actually believe that...changing something like that isn't just a number change, they have to fix the UI as well. Everything takes time, and they had other priorities. It was an honest mistake, and it's your fault if you believed it had 6k quantum
@@tevarinvagabond1192 The UI is a framework dawg, the fact that it was just one (1) "typo" proves it. Why don't people think before they open their mouth nowdays...
just started playing this game, this was the second ship I bought. Is this normal for them? to make a mistake then keep the profits from their mistake?
Not really normal. It usually only happens when they release new ships. But at least they wait till the sales slow down before they nerf them. (must be almost time for the Corsair to get hit with the nerf cannon)
Greetings from the Future friend! its 3.19 ptu patch and my friend and i are flying in the Cutter from Orison to Arc Corp and we are doing so casually with a 6000 liter Quant fuel tank!
@@CamCitizenTV yeah i really like the cutter being a fuel tank with a steering wheel it makes me laugh every time i make these crazy long trips to my murdered body.
@@pawe6199 600 is actually still slightly more than other starter ships (most have in the low 500s). I understand that the range was a major selling point, but the simple fact that the Cutter could outrange pretty much any existing large-sized ship despite being a starter ship should have been a MASSIVE red flag for anyone looking to buy it. CIG has a history of listing inaccurate ship stats. Just look at the ship matrix. afaik, the Anvil Hawk still lists an afterburner speed of only 500m/s on the RSI website. A general rule I would tell anyone who bought the Cutter due to its dimensionally impossible quantum fuel tank size is, "if something is too good to be true, it probably is".
Did they at least increase the cargo storage to match? Or add a side door? Was this the only stat twiddled? It at the very least should be left comparable to other starter ships.
I'm not going to lie to you, I bought it because of the amount of QT fuel and their excuse is logical... But how long will the disrespect for the game customers who get cheated every time they buy a ship because of its attributes and then those attributes are stripped? The way CIG scam players every year is amazing.
@@johnnybanana8004 It was extremely obvious that the QD fuel tank was bugged, it had MORE fuel than larger, dedicated explorer ships. This is like starting an RPG with a stone sword that does 9999999 damage compared to the platinum that does only 99. Something was definitely off and I blame the content creators and reddit Cutter fans who peddled the ship over what was clearly a bug and kept pushing the idea that it was not.
@@ThirsttyRecon well after playing for a bit and watching some vids, i thought they made the cutter have somuch fuel becous its so waek at shooting and combat. but i underastand what u mena
I like the Cutter anyway, and its fuel was ridiculous, and considering comparing it to the Corsair, which has a thousand less and is a bigger ship, made no sense, I was expecting this, so no loss in my opinion.
I'm confused. The C8 has 645 litres and easily crosses the whole of Stanton with plenty of fuel to spare yet you say that with 600 litres the Cutter will struggle to go anywhere without refuelling. Personally, while I knew 6000 was ridiculous, I had hoped that CIG actually wanted it to be longer ranged than its competitors so that it was useful for newbies to visit Pyro. Maybe 900?
I hope NONE of the starter ships can traverse Pyro. It would mean that distances in this game are so insignificant that any small solo craft doesnt need transport carriers when they can go anywhere on their own. All solo ships should have difficulty visiting Pyro, requiring larger exploration or carrier craft.
yes! they mentioned that it is intended to have more than other starters - 900 would have been fair, especially given the Nomad's and 100 series total qt.
I'm curious to know how many players actually thought this ship would carry its own weight in quantum. :P "Captain, don't forget your breather so you can keep breathing while submerged in all the quantum filling the entire volume of our ship!"
I mean, as someone who bought the 'long range fuel efficient' Mustang Beta in preparation for Pyro's vast distances with it's fuel tank of 700L, I was a bit pissed when they released the uber-range Drake Cutter. It makes sense that 6000L was a typo. I didn't even question that the tiny ship having literally twice the fuel capacity of an Origin 600i was an error. That makes sense.
That is the first time I heard it has 6kL quantum fuel. I just like the Cutter because it reminded me of the UPS box trucks back when I was a kid in Georgia State. I have the Aurora CL, Mustang Alpha, and Reliant Kore that can easily outperform the Cutter in their respective purpose (transporting goods), yet it does not stop me from saying, "Hmm...what to joyride in? Cutter or Kore..." As a player in the game; I would strongly remind others that nothing is set in stone yet (as it is alpha) and what is more important is getting the ship that you like and would want to play with frequently. As promised by CIG, the ships can be acquired in game (except a few of them like the UEE Navy's Bengal-Class Carrier) HOPEFULLY--as in I could be wrong--when we are in the beta. Your own enjoyment of the game will always supersede the meta because time spent with the ship you like will last you long enough to catch up with the meta.
I friggin new it. I had many discussions with others exclaiming to me how great that was, and made it superior. Warned them its a bug or a typo in coding. It only takes a little common sense to think that little ships tank is 2x plus a Cutlass, Constellation. The Cutter is still an excellent little ship. May be the best versatile for its price range.
So what's the refund policy with CIG....I mean they sold me a product and I bought it based on specs stated by them, typo or not I either deserve the stated fuel capacity when I purchased or I deserve my money back.....and not just store credit.....
if you have a arrow or in general a small ship you have to refuel at certain points in the verse too. but sorry i wanna have this at some point cause of the immersion. you will see new stations so you gonna explore the verse in a natural way i would say and i like this a lot
Not in the cutter lol ..especially in this supposed pyro... in lore..the supposed distance between certain places are just too far for a ship with 600* QT fuel capacity
@@thegamingtribunal maybe they didnt know how big the cutter really will be if they first wrote the lore and in making the cutter they realized shit this isnt working. Or maybe pyro isnt that big as we think I dont know only cig knows it BUT i think your kinda right maybe they will do 800 instead of 600 but if the tank is to big to fit it is to big to fit ^^ As i said the exploration in a natural way is for me more important cause i got more gameplay in general. I dont need to travel the fastest route. Anyway see you in the verse have a good day 🌝🤙🏼
Noooo, I was so excited when I got my cutter. it is my first ship and it is helping me with all my missions. The 6000L is a blessing in disguise. When you upgrade your quantum drive to the VL-00 it takes double fuel so you only have 3000L then, But faster travel time 😏😏
I actually hope they don't deviate from a starter ship having low fuel capacity simply because it makes the gameplay surrounding starter ships make more sense. Obviously we only have Stanton as a metric but the idea should be that a starter ship is local job hopping; little bit of this and that around a small range with the ability to sort of 'rest stop' commute longer distances. Would really make those waystation type 'space truck stops' pop.
😅 I KNEW IT! It felt way too OP that way, but it's not bad news, it's still an awesome little ship. 🥰 And if you want to take long trips you simply swap out your QD.
This brings an interesting point up that regardless of what CIG say is inescapable in terms of consumer rights. You CANNOT make sales based on a description or spec and then change it after people have paid for it. If you bought a car with a V8 and when you picked it up they said “typo” its actually a V6 - it is the same. CIG must offer a full refund to everyone that purchased the cutter ( including me) or someone can sue CIG ( possibly me) under UK consumer law. Simple.
@@CamCitizenTV flew mine today in PTU and it was still 6000. only reason I even paid attention to it was the fact I had been running the same cutter for like 3 days now and still had fuel to spare.
I have 2 issues with this video: 1. No new information - there is nothing here we haven't already argued to death on Reddit since IAE last year 2. No one from CIG has come out to say they "missed a zero" - yes, they admitted to some kind of error but no one knows what the intended fuel capacity is supposed to be. The PTU patch note wasn't specific either. From the patch notes: "Balance pass on Drake Corsair and Cutter Fuel tank holds and fuel intakes" (Google "Star Citizen Alpha 3.18.0r PTU.8321451 Patch Notes") I was expecting to see an actual nerf in the current PTU 3.18 or new info from the devs or something from new PTU patch notes. Can anyone please confirm what the fuel capacity is in the PTU?
Ppl should known this from the start . With a c grade cimivan drive u can go to anyone with 600. U have to refuel . Or u cN get competition drives and do it twice. You'll just be slower. Ppl should know cig makes mistakes often.
This is somewhat better :) So now it has the capacity and range of an single seater fighter - seems more logical. Well, time to put in a fuel efficielnt (lower speed) drive in that thing :)
I wonder if they will add auxiliary tanks for long distance trips, kind of like the old WW2 style drop tanks on the wings or ferry tanks in the bomb bays of planes.
Conveniently "typo" was made in favor of the ship. I wonder if that "typo" reduced that 600 to 200 if CIG would leave it like that until 3.18. I bet we would see it corrected in a matter of a day or two after release. What are the chances..
It was pretty obvious that it was a mistake from the start however they should have done something about it earlier to stop people buying into it thinking that it was a feature.
Just transform it into a drag racer. Quick to boost and hard to turn. Especially in atmosphere. But in space should be the fast and maneuverable. Unless Drake doesn’t know how to make the main thrusters useful. Sleek ships don’t make you faster in the black. They just look cool. But the Cutter design IS cool.
Im still very new and barely noticed the tank size. I don’t think I’ll have trouble dealing with the fix, seeing as how I didn’t really get comfortable with the massive fuel tank.
I can't say I am surprised but It was a selling point of this ship. Maybe they could give us a gray cat to stick in back. It was miss leading info. :) Really I just want a graycat.
It can probably be a great jump ship for getting around a singular planet and mining by hand or scraping. I have one. I like it. It's actually more believable now
it was never supposed to have 6000 fuel. The Freelancer DUR, the explorer version with *extra external fuel tanks*, only has 5000. While I agree that this stinks of CIG's normal shenanigans of making a new ship OP and then changing it (See Ares Ion as prime example) no one should have expected a starter ship to have that much QT fuel. And CIG did say it was a mistake fairly quickly and would be changed.
I'm just learning about this now. I got into the game got that ship and didn't understand it was a glitch at all. Anytime real money is spent over some mistake by the seller, they should compensate. Some may have not bought the game at all with out thinking they were getting a decent deal like the cutter.
@@Darnelj1 unfortunately these types of "mistakes" seem to be standard business practice for CIG. Best example was last year with the Ares Ion. And that change was MASSIVE compared to losing a little bit of fuel. The only thing CIG told people was _well if you don't like it you can always meltdown for store credit._
@@Dracounguis Which is a bullcrap cop out. There's nothing anyone can legally or rightfully argue about due to how the terms of each purchase is set. But its garbage like that that kills trust. I'd be fine if they compensated by offering something in return or some improvement on the ship. Nothing insane. Just something to show good faith.
@@Darnelj1 Well you can get used to CIG 'rebalancing' an overpowered ship they released to get more sales, because that's why they do it (either that or they're so incompetent they can't get their stats right before release again and again), or wait a few months until after they 'rebalance' it to see if it's worth your money. I'm not saying I like their business practice, but at this point it's pretty obvious that's how their marketing team runs it. We've all run into this before and been pissed off. Nothing you can do about it. They're not going to change their methods. But at least you learned this lesson for only $60. I spent $250 on the Ion. And they murdered that ship's performance.
A Typo? Do you mean the same Typo they had for the Redeemer's turret speeds and the Ion's Cannon? Seems like every ship release follows the same path. 1. Make the new ship feel and perform amazing. 2. Build hype around the new ship's features to boost sales. 3. Let people fall in love with the new ship, claiming it is the best at "this role." 4. Wait a while after sales have calmed down and then "rebalance" the ship. 5. Let outcry come and go before showing off the next new ship. 6. See step one.
Bug? that's literally impossible for it to be a bug or a typo its an obvious purposeful move to sell more of the ship no way a company like this would make the one extra zero mistake like if it wasn't reviewed by multiple people before being released
@@danielfuentes2763 it’s not impossible at all. I develop software. Pretty easy to type an extra 0 in a piece of code by accident. If they want to hype a starter ship, including more quantum fuel than large ships isn’t going to be their gimmick
@@marcusbush336 Its not about typing one extra zero its about it getting past everyone and it nnot being hotfixed immediately and them conveniently waiting until they sell a bunch of them for the holidays
@@marcusbush336 Like i know what youre saying but no way it would get past all the phases especially something like that i mean thats one of the main parts of the ship this was obv done to boost initial sales and it was done out of greed knowing most wonth bother refunding or will just accept it.
So in other words it's still going to have more than QT fuel than most other ships in its class . Just slap a Voyage or Atlas quantum drive in there and you'll still be able to quickly go from MT to Crusader w/o having to refuel.
That's concerning. I thought it was a more modern take on quantum with Pyro, possibly at the end of the year. They said Pyro was going to be way bigger. So I thought it was a case of yeah ships are going to be buffed for Pyro. Guess that's not the case.
Understandable. BUT... Those planets should be on an orbit, meaning that eventually we can plan trips from planet to planet based on their solar position.
@@CamCitizenTV tbh that is adding alot of additional physics for the servers to process....servers that already are >.> which btw is not AWS fault, AWS has lots of servers, of varying qualities and price points, CIG is just being cheap on servers to have revolution-planets in effect and at reasonable server cost. would to have the servers only move on increments say during a weekly or bi-weekly maintance to tic to the next position
600 is still greater than the 583 that the Titan has and most other small ships and fighters. Not much but it’s no Argo Cargo.
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Even worse for my OCD is to have the landing gear lever inverted... UP for out and Down for in??? Guys... there is a reason why you "lower" the landing gear to land. My only ship though...
As a new player (December 2022) this is my only ship (waiting for the wipe) and it kind of hurts to hear this. I can understand it is way to much but I think even if it's a typo (SINCE Release) it should be more then 600L then. Atleast 1200-1800L specially if they made a HUGE Typo. I will still use it.. It always be my Starter and Favorite.. It's my Tribute to the Razorcrest (RIP)
600L is still more than the other starters in the size range like the Aurora's and most of the fighters only have 540L. My Constellation Aquila, the explorer variant only has a 3,000L liter tank and its a Large ship.
@@alliekittenzx compared to the Gladius it's the same. And that's a light fighter. The Drake Cutter is a Cargo Ship which could easily hold more then the 600L specially after screwing people over with the typo of 6000L. I would happily get rid of the toilet for another 300-600L which should easily be possible without sacrificing much space. I don't mind a correction but it's good that a starter like the Cutter can have double the amount of quantum fuel to make it more attractive compared to others specially with the looks. I love the Drake Cutter and personally I think it does deserve that little extra.
Well... I expected a cut, but not by a factor of 10 ... Guess my Cutter will be upgraded to something else then... The Fuel capacity was literally the only reason to have this ship as daily driver.
To be honest, it was pretty obvious it was a mistake. When you consider how much fuel you have in another ships, why would the cutter being a starship and very very small have so much fuel.
Its a shame but makes a lot of sense. Somehow, I just upgraded mine to a cuttie black last night without knowing that...and this morning a friend sent me your video. I still love the cutter but yeah...its not meant to make long trips
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"I felt a great disturbance in the Verse, as if millions of Cutters suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly melted/CCU'd. I fear something terrible has happened."
The amount of fuel was the reason I bought the Cutter as my starter ship. For once, I do some proper research instead of purchasing like a headless chicken, I purchased based on a typo
You can exchange anything you buy, but it's generally considered the best starter ship alongside the Titan, and not because of the tank.
@@j.d.4697 Why?
Well to be fair, basicly everyone who did a video on it expected that the capacity was a bug/typo.
Still, its a good little starter ship that will help you earn your way to something bigger in the finished game.
@@EdwardDragon96 I bought based on a video of LevelCap and heb didn’t mention it. But it’s okay. Once they fixed it I’ll just refuel more often. Adds to the immersion I guess.
That's the technique these days. I'll give you a ship then I will correct the typo XD
"Typo".... yeah, sure. They probably think we are stupid. It's the same typo as two shields on Arrow, or three shields on Sabre. That kind of typo that boosts sales. Or the DPS typos solely on brand new ships.
Yep if we believed the cutter has 10 time what all other ship its size has then we are dumb ;D. And if a buyer even knows about this numbers then he is already far enough into SC that he should realize its not gona happen.
I knew it was wrong but I hope they reconsider the 600. At least let it have 1000. It was part of the reason I bought the ship.
600 is too small, 600 is for light fighters, all light fighters has around 580 QT fuel. Cutter only has 4 SCU of storage, it is only right to think it will have a much larger QT fuel tank, like 2000. 600 is just too small to not melt it.
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@@UBIQUITAR 1200 is tricky, it is like the amount that player won't get too upset about it. well, 1200 is twice as much as light and medium fighters (580 for them), not ideal as if it has 2000, but 1200 will do, with an Atlas it can still travel a far distance. 😃
@@edenyan7237 I will take 1200. That’s actually a fair number. Even if they wanted to push it down to 1000. I’d still take that. Just make it more than 600+
i was thinking in the range of 1000-1200. I know pisces has like 650 or something, the Nomad has around 770. They did the right thing to tone it down, I mean 6k is like overly very generous, my connie only has 3k qt fuel ( that's half of the current cutter has ) and Conny is way bigger ship than cutter lol
Do you have a source for this? Currently, there are no official information about a smaller quantum fuel for the cutter. In currently 3.18 build the Cutter has still 6000 liters.
The cutter finally pulled me in to learn the game and be a part of the ‘verse. It is a cool little ship regardless!
Yea, the fuel volume was greater than the volume of the ship.
Also, CIG once AGAIN nerfs ship only after sale is over.
It's not a nerf it was an obvious error and fix
the ship is 6 meter by 20 meters. just saying
Oh, I wasn't aware that the game was out of alpha and ships had all of their features locked in? Cool.
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If it was so obvious, CIG should have clearly stated their intentions and fixed it before the sale was over.
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“I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.”
There's no way the cutters quantum fuel could ever have really, seriously, been 6000. When I first saw that I knew it had to be a mistake, that's double the amount of even a constellation on such a tiny ship there's nowhere it could realistically be stored. If you bought this ship based on it's absurd, impossibly large fuel number thinking it was legit... well, you should, imho, take heart that you still got arguably the most feature filled and versatile starter that exists today. It'll still a great ship.
Its more quantum then pretty much all ships that are 4-5x the size. There's no way anybody could have seen that and think it was legit, and if they did, they're a 100% pure sucker.
@@Dude13450 Us newbs are suckers for making an misinformed decision buying a new starter, made and advertised to bring NEW players into the game? Good one
to be fair, all of the quantum fuel amounts are going to get reworked to represent their "real" values.
@@yaboitripp I wonder how that's going to work out in terms of distances or they're going to buff/nerf the economy of drives to match. It would suck to see that pretty much any ship will only be able to cross Stanton once before refueling (and I'm sure it would piss a lot of people off).
@@senorbob2909It's advertised on official sources as having the exact same fuel tanks as the other small starter ships. Nowhere does it say that it will have 10x the fuel of every other ship in its class. If you are doing enough research that you know how much fuel every starter ship has then you would also see the glaringly obvious typo in the numbers.
If you did not look up the fuel capacity of every ship then you would have had no reason to expect to be carrying 10 ships worth of fuel and no reason to use that as your deciding factor when buying a starter ship.
Really, I could understand this argument if it was a smaller amount. But it is literally 10x too much fuel. How could somebody not think that was a mistake (or that all other ships would soon receive a similar adjustment to fuel tank size)?
Considering 6400 litres would have meant a fuel tank nearly larger than the actual ship, this makes perfect sense.
Got a 3k litre diesel fuel tank in my basement for reference. Don't buy starter ships you're planning to use as keepers at reveal sale events. More often than not, the stats page and/or brochures come with conveniently inconvenient typos and inaccuracies. Small ships just will not have range in the game. The entire game is going to focus on large ships piggybacking the small ones over long distances through deep space.
Nonsense(no offence). The ship is like 6 meter heigh. Cutter is not a small ship.
@@errgoth Certainly. Exaggeration got me your attention, nonetheless. And there are still 6.4 Cubic Meters of fuel tank space unaccounted for.
@@errgoth cutter is like the size of regular tanker trucks which is 90% filled with fuel lol
toxic.
@@sloppypotato00 You appear to be missing Cutter appears to be missing an actual tank.
This is a conspiracy, it seriously got through an entire patch without being corrected? Highly doubt it. They knew what they were doing waiting so long when it could’ve been fixed in a minute.
It's called marketing dude look at how profitable the vulture is tight now, while it's locked behind a paywall and they are saying it's because "they want people to test and use it"
Imagine being such a l0ser that you actually believe that...changing something like that isn't just a number change, they have to fix the UI as well. Everything takes time, and they had other priorities. It was an honest mistake, and it's your fault if you believed it had 6k quantum
@@tevarinvagabond1192 The UI is a framework dawg, the fact that it was just one (1) "typo" proves it. Why don't people think before they open their mouth nowdays...
@@badacconosu I can tell you're an intellectual with you using the word "dawg", lmao
@@tevarinvagabond1192 I don't need to be an intellectual to realize that what you're saying is bs...
just started playing this game, this was the second ship I bought. Is this normal for them? to make a mistake then keep the profits from their mistake?
Not really normal. It usually only happens when they release new ships. But at least they wait till the sales slow down before they nerf them. (must be almost time for the Corsair to get hit with the nerf cannon)
Where did you get your information?
I thought it was odd the little pile of spare parts had more quantum fuel than my Freelancer. XD
CIG hasn't confirmed this have they? I haven't seen anything about this.
Hah this was my starter ship. Only started playing 2 days ago.
Was thinking ‘I literally never have to refuel this thing’
Greetings from the Future friend! its 3.19 ptu patch and my friend and i are flying in the Cutter from Orison to Arc Corp and we are doing so casually with a 6000 liter Quant fuel tank!
Very nice! Hey, I'm glad they haven't fixed it yet!
@@CamCitizenTV yeah i really like the cutter being a fuel tank with a steering wheel it makes me laugh every time i make these crazy long trips to my murdered body.
Can’t say I’m surprised. 6000 liters is more than most Large sized ships, it couldn’t be anything other than a typo.
But reduce it to 600? Really? For many people long travel capacity was it's major selling point.
@@pawe6199 600 is actually still slightly more than other starter ships (most have in the low 500s).
I understand that the range was a major selling point, but the simple fact that the Cutter could outrange pretty much any existing large-sized ship despite being a starter ship should have been a MASSIVE red flag for anyone looking to buy it.
CIG has a history of listing inaccurate ship stats. Just look at the ship matrix. afaik, the Anvil Hawk still lists an afterburner speed of only 500m/s on the RSI website.
A general rule I would tell anyone who bought the Cutter due to its dimensionally impossible quantum fuel tank size is, "if something is too good to be true, it probably is".
I don't suppose you have the official dev post on Spectrum about this? I can't find it again.
Did they at least increase the cargo storage to match? Or add a side door? Was this the only stat twiddled? It at the very least should be left comparable to other starter ships.
I'm not going to lie to you, I bought it because of the amount of QT fuel and their excuse is logical... But how long will the disrespect for the game customers who get cheated every time they buy a ship because of its attributes and then those attributes are stripped?
The way CIG scam players every year is amazing.
Currently in 3.18 PTU is still has 6000.
I mean this was expected, can’t imagine anyone actually thought a starter ship would have 6K QT fuel.
i did, i bought the game with the cutter 3days ago after watching yt vids
@@johnnybanana8004 It was extremely obvious that the QD fuel tank was bugged, it had MORE fuel than larger, dedicated explorer ships. This is like starting an RPG with a stone sword that does 9999999 damage compared to the platinum that does only 99. Something was definitely off and I blame the content creators and reddit Cutter fans who peddled the ship over what was clearly a bug and kept pushing the idea that it was not.
@@ThirsttyRecon well after playing for a bit and watching some vids, i thought they made the cutter have somuch fuel becous its so waek at shooting and combat. but i underastand what u mena
I like the Cutter anyway, and its fuel was ridiculous, and considering comparing it to the Corsair, which has a thousand less and is a bigger ship, made no sense, I was expecting this, so no loss in my opinion.
I'm confused. The C8 has 645 litres and easily crosses the whole of Stanton with plenty of fuel to spare yet you say that with 600 litres the Cutter will struggle to go anywhere without refuelling.
Personally, while I knew 6000 was ridiculous, I had hoped that CIG actually wanted it to be longer ranged than its competitors so that it was useful for newbies to visit Pyro. Maybe 900?
Don't worry. Just swap out the QT drive for something like an atlas and it will make any jump in the verse. Will need to refuel more often though.
600 is still enough for the whole system
I hope NONE of the starter ships can traverse Pyro. It would mean that distances in this game are so insignificant that any small solo craft doesnt need transport carriers when they can go anywhere on their own. All solo ships should have difficulty visiting Pyro, requiring larger exploration or carrier craft.
yes! they mentioned that it is intended to have more than other starters - 900 would have been fair, especially given the Nomad's and 100 series total qt.
I'm curious to know how many players actually thought this ship would carry its own weight in quantum. :P
"Captain, don't forget your breather so you can keep breathing while submerged in all the quantum filling the entire volume of our ship!"
I mean, as someone who bought the 'long range fuel efficient' Mustang Beta in preparation for Pyro's vast distances with it's fuel tank of 700L, I was a bit pissed when they released the uber-range Drake Cutter. It makes sense that 6000L was a typo. I didn't even question that the tiny ship having literally twice the fuel capacity of an Origin 600i was an error. That makes sense.
It's still the smallest and only starter ship that will haul a STV.
The moment i saw 6000, i knew they fucked up lol. I figured 1000, but 600? Ouch. Anywho, I'll still use it as a Planet Express truck.
Daaaaaaaaaaaam. I thought 6000 was way to much but taking it down to 600 is a insane nerf. Well melting down my Cutter now I guess.
Way too extreme. At least let it keep a fat tank. Like 1200. Maybe compensate by adding some features. More top speed or HP or cargo.. something.
That is the first time I heard it has 6kL quantum fuel. I just like the Cutter because it reminded me of the UPS box trucks back when I was a kid in Georgia State. I have the Aurora CL, Mustang Alpha, and Reliant Kore that can easily outperform the Cutter in their respective purpose (transporting goods), yet it does not stop me from saying, "Hmm...what to joyride in? Cutter or Kore..."
As a player in the game; I would strongly remind others that nothing is set in stone yet (as it is alpha) and what is more important is getting the ship that you like and would want to play with frequently. As promised by CIG, the ships can be acquired in game (except a few of them like the UEE Navy's Bengal-Class Carrier) HOPEFULLY--as in I could be wrong--when we are in the beta. Your own enjoyment of the game will always supersede the meta because time spent with the ship you like will last you long enough to catch up with the meta.
I friggin new it. I had many discussions with others exclaiming to me how great that was, and made it superior. Warned them its a bug or a typo in coding.
It only takes a little common sense to think that little ships tank is 2x plus a Cutlass, Constellation.
The Cutter is still an excellent little ship. May be the best versatile for its price range.
the unit for 6000is not liter but the distance only, the amount of quantum fuel is actually few scu which can be found at refuel panel
So what's the refund policy with CIG....I mean they sold me a product and I bought it based on specs stated by them, typo or not I either deserve the stated fuel capacity when I purchased or I deserve my money back.....and not just store credit.....
if you have a arrow or in general a small ship you have to refuel at certain points in the verse too. but sorry i wanna have this at some point cause of the immersion. you will see new stations so you gonna explore the verse in a natural way i would say and i like this a lot
Not in the cutter lol ..especially in this supposed pyro... in lore..the supposed distance between certain places are just too far for a ship with 600* QT fuel capacity
@@thegamingtribunal maybe they didnt know how big the cutter really will be if they first wrote the lore and in making the cutter they realized shit this isnt working. Or maybe pyro isnt that big as we think I dont know only cig knows it BUT i think your kinda right maybe they will do 800 instead of 600 but if the tank is to big to fit it is to big to fit ^^
As i said the exploration in a natural way is for me more important cause i got more gameplay in general. I dont need to travel the fastest route. Anyway
see you in the verse have a good day 🌝🤙🏼
Is there a single ship that can't go CRU or ARC to MT without a stop with the right QD?
@J.D. probably most ships with S1 QT drive minus the banu defender... but that's speculation!!!!
@@j.d.4697 Every small ship with an Atlas drive.. and all the bigger ships :P
Noooo, I was so excited when I got my cutter. it is my first ship and it is helping me with all my missions. The 6000L is a blessing in disguise. When you upgrade your quantum drive to the VL-00 it takes double fuel so you only have 3000L then, But faster travel time 😏😏
That sucks. Does that make the Avenger much better?
I actually hope they don't deviate from a starter ship having low fuel capacity simply because it makes the gameplay surrounding starter ships make more sense.
Obviously we only have Stanton as a metric but the idea should be that a starter ship is local job hopping; little bit of this and that around a small range with the ability to sort of 'rest stop' commute longer distances.
Would really make those waystation type 'space truck stops' pop.
But what about Hydrogen? Cutter has 660K and corsair has just 360k Liters
Pieces for the win
Honestly didn’t even get it for this reason. I got it as a mule / hoverbike carrier that is a smaller package.
Wondering though, is the ship competitive now vs the other starters?
yes, they all have 583L, Pisces has 645L and Nomad has something over 700L
no
😅 I KNEW IT!
It felt way too OP that way, but it's not bad news, it's still an awesome little ship. 🥰
And if you want to take long trips you simply swap out your QD.
If you use the Atlas drive it's still feasible to go from MT to AC on 600L of QF.
This brings an interesting point up that regardless of what CIG say is inescapable in terms of consumer rights. You CANNOT make sales based on a description or spec and then change it after people have paid for it. If you bought a car with a V8 and when you picked it up they said “typo” its actually a V6 - it is the same. CIG must offer a full refund to everyone that purchased the cutter ( including me) or someone can sue CIG ( possibly me) under UK consumer law. Simple.
@CamCitizen What is your source ? QT fuel is still 6000 in the latest PTU build. The only nerf for now is the Hydrogen fuel (660 000 to 293 400)
PU shows 6000, PTU is 600
@@CamCitizenTV flew mine today in PTU and it was still 6000. only reason I even paid attention to it was the fact I had been running the same cutter for like 3 days now and still had fuel to spare.
OOOOOOOoooo They Did it Again!
but pisces has like 4K fuel and is smaller, how does CIG's size logic apply there ?
The pisces has 645
@@CamCitizenTV ah right mb, it was the carrack with 44K fuel cap.
I have 2 issues with this video:
1. No new information - there is nothing here we haven't already argued to death on Reddit since IAE last year
2. No one from CIG has come out to say they "missed a zero" - yes, they admitted to some kind of error but no one knows what the intended fuel capacity is supposed to be. The PTU patch note wasn't specific either.
From the patch notes: "Balance pass on Drake Corsair and Cutter Fuel tank holds and fuel intakes" (Google "Star Citizen Alpha 3.18.0r PTU.8321451 Patch Notes")
I was expecting to see an actual nerf in the current PTU 3.18 or new info from the devs or something from new PTU patch notes.
Can anyone please confirm what the fuel capacity is in the PTU?
Current patch is still 6000
@@MadTPot Thanks
interesting, did he just made this up coz its what is likely to happen?
Ppl should known this from the start . With a c grade cimivan drive u can go to anyone with 600. U have to refuel . Or u cN get competition drives and do it twice. You'll just be slower.
Ppl should know cig makes mistakes often.
It shouldn't have a 6000 fuel copacity and doesn't make sense to have that much. The change is needed
This is somewhat better :)
So now it has the capacity and range of an single seater fighter - seems more logical.
Well, time to put in a fuel efficielnt (lower speed) drive in that thing :)
No Fueling? ok, bad pun. I wonder if any other ships will have fuel amounts adjusted? Thanks for the update.
I wonder if they will add auxiliary tanks for long distance trips, kind of like the old WW2 style drop tanks on the wings or ferry tanks in the bomb bays of planes.
Makes sense... good to know.
Conveniently "typo" was made in favor of the ship. I wonder if that "typo" reduced that 600 to 200 if CIG would leave it like that until 3.18.
I bet we would see it corrected in a matter of a day or two after release. What are the chances..
It was pretty obvious that it was a mistake from the start however they should have done something about it earlier to stop people buying into it thinking that it was a feature.
Just transform it into a drag racer. Quick to boost and hard to turn. Especially in atmosphere.
But in space should be the fast and maneuverable. Unless Drake doesn’t know how to make the main thrusters useful. Sleek ships don’t make you faster in the black. They just look cool. But the Cutter design IS cool.
Im still very new and barely noticed the tank size. I don’t think I’ll have trouble dealing with the fix, seeing as how I didn’t really get comfortable with the massive fuel tank.
I can't say I am surprised but It was a selling point of this ship. Maybe they could give us a gray cat to stick in back. It was miss leading info. :) Really I just want a graycat.
Has there been confirmation from CIG that they will be making this change in 3.18?
It sounds legit, but I haven't found anything official yet...
I'd have to find the link in Spectrum, but I can confirm that the value has already been set to 600 in the PTU.
@@CamCitizenTV Thanks for the confirmation and the fast reply ☺
@@CamCitizenTV This didn't age well. It never happened.
@@moriyokiri3229 You're right, It didn't happen yet. Maybe they had other priorities.
It doesn't really bug me since I use mine in one planetary system at a time so it doesn't really affect it's utility for me.
It can probably be a great jump ship for getting around a singular planet and mining by hand or scraping. I have one. I like it. It's actually more believable now
When the cutter was introduced I made a bet with my org mates that the QT fuel would be reduced. Thanks for helping me win a bet!
it was never supposed to have 6000 fuel. The Freelancer DUR, the explorer version with *extra external fuel tanks*, only has 5000. While I agree that this stinks of CIG's normal shenanigans of making a new ship OP and then changing it (See Ares Ion as prime example) no one should have expected a starter ship to have that much QT fuel. And CIG did say it was a mistake fairly quickly and would be changed.
I'm just learning about this now. I got into the game got that ship and didn't understand it was a glitch at all. Anytime real money is spent over some mistake by the seller, they should compensate. Some may have not bought the game at all with out thinking they were getting a decent deal like the cutter.
@@Darnelj1 unfortunately these types of "mistakes" seem to be standard business practice for CIG. Best example was last year with the Ares Ion. And that change was MASSIVE compared to losing a little bit of fuel. The only thing CIG told people was _well if you don't like it you can always meltdown for store credit._
@@Dracounguis Which is a bullcrap cop out. There's nothing anyone can legally or rightfully argue about due to how the terms of each purchase is set. But its garbage like that that kills trust. I'd be fine if they compensated by offering something in return or some improvement on the ship. Nothing insane. Just something to show good faith.
@@Darnelj1 Well you can get used to CIG 'rebalancing' an overpowered ship they released to get more sales, because that's why they do it (either that or they're so incompetent they can't get their stats right before release again and again), or wait a few months until after they 'rebalance' it to see if it's worth your money. I'm not saying I like their business practice, but at this point it's pretty obvious that's how their marketing team runs it. We've all run into this before and been pissed off. Nothing you can do about it. They're not going to change their methods. But at least you learned this lesson for only $60. I spent $250 on the Ion. And they murdered that ship's performance.
A Typo? Do you mean the same Typo they had for the Redeemer's turret speeds and the Ion's Cannon? Seems like every ship release follows the same path.
1. Make the new ship feel and perform amazing.
2. Build hype around the new ship's features to boost sales.
3. Let people fall in love with the new ship, claiming it is the best at "this role."
4. Wait a while after sales have calmed down and then "rebalance" the ship.
5. Let outcry come and go before showing off the next new ship.
6. See step one.
This isn't bad news, it was expected and an obvious bug
I don't get it. Why would that be obvious? Not only to new players but the ship has like 6 meters height.
Bug? that's literally impossible for it to be a bug or a typo its an obvious purposeful move to sell more of the ship no way a company like this would make the one extra zero mistake like if it wasn't reviewed by multiple people before being released
@@danielfuentes2763 it’s not impossible at all. I develop software. Pretty easy to type an extra 0 in a piece of code by accident. If they want to hype a starter ship, including more quantum fuel than large ships isn’t going to be their gimmick
@@marcusbush336 Its not about typing one extra zero its about it getting past everyone and it nnot being hotfixed immediately and them conveniently waiting until they sell a bunch of them for the holidays
@@marcusbush336 Like i know what youre saying but no way it would get past all the phases especially something like that i mean thats one of the main parts of the ship this was obv done to boost initial sales and it was done out of greed knowing most wonth bother refunding or will just accept it.
Shit, I always screw up some mundane detail, I'm so stupid!
AN ENTIRE ZERO isn't some mundane detail Michael!
So then what’s the point of the ship? Why buy it over an avenger?
So in other words it's still going to have more than QT fuel than most other ships in its class . Just slap a Voyage or Atlas quantum drive in there and you'll still be able to quickly go from MT to Crusader w/o having to refuel.
Yep Pyro will take some thinking to nav.
Sounds like the Pisces, which is a smaller ship, will have more fuel than the Cutter. Sounds kind of backwards.
It is interesting, considering the pisces has 645 liters
That's concerning. I thought it was a more modern take on quantum with Pyro, possibly at the end of the year. They said Pyro was going to be way bigger. So I thought it was a case of yeah ships are going to be buffed for Pyro. Guess that's not the case.
Sad news, i bought a cutter as a small long range in and out ship .
Imo the balance issue here is that the Titan is way to good...
I'm in the PTU and I have flown the cutter and so for as of patch W the cutter still has a 6k tank ;)
I hope they just freaking leave it that way. It's just fuel. Makes the game less annoying. Let a small weak ship fly around.
@@Darnelj1 Well so far it hasn't been changed and wow this is 3 weeks later.
I love the 😭 you put in the thumbnail
Nerfs and cig, stuff ups and cig. Name a more iconic duo.....
Understandable.
BUT... Those planets should be on an orbit, meaning that eventually we can plan trips from planet to planet based on their solar position.
Absolutely! This is planned, I just don't know when it happens. Soon™
@@CamCitizenTV tbh that is adding alot of additional physics for the servers to process....servers that already are >.>
which btw is not AWS fault, AWS has lots of servers, of varying qualities and price points, CIG is just being cheap on servers
to have revolution-planets in effect and at reasonable server cost. would to have the servers only move on increments say during a weekly or bi-weekly maintance to tic to the next position
600 is still greater than the 583 that the Titan has and most other small ships and fighters. Not much but it’s no Argo Cargo.
Even worse for my OCD is to have the landing gear lever inverted... UP for out and Down for in??? Guys... there is a reason why you "lower" the landing gear to land. My only ship though...
The ship is supposed to be a local delivery van.
As a new player (December 2022) this is my only ship (waiting for the wipe) and it kind of hurts to hear this. I can understand it is way to much but I think even if it's a typo (SINCE Release) it should be more then 600L then. Atleast 1200-1800L specially if they made a HUGE Typo. I will still use it.. It always be my Starter and Favorite.. It's my Tribute to the Razorcrest (RIP)
600L is still more than the other starters in the size range like the Aurora's and most of the fighters only have 540L. My Constellation Aquila, the explorer variant only has a 3,000L liter tank and its a Large ship.
@@alliekittenzx compared to the Gladius it's the same. And that's a light fighter. The Drake Cutter is a Cargo Ship which could easily hold more then the 600L specially after screwing people over with the typo of 6000L. I would happily get rid of the toilet for another 300-600L which should easily be possible without sacrificing much space. I don't mind a correction but it's good that a starter like the Cutter can have double the amount of quantum fuel to make it more attractive compared to others specially with the looks. I love the Drake Cutter and personally I think it does deserve that little extra.
Cutter was an LTI Token! CCU to Avenger Titan. Problem solved.
"Quantum fuel at 10%" Ok cool I'll go refuel at the next station "no service required" lol. At least that bug seems to be fixed in ptu.
Feeling kind of cheated if that's the case, still a nice ship regardless
if anyone expected a tiny starter ship to have 6k L QT fuel then your smoken something.
Glad i "picked up" the nomad.
Hmmm, I didn't expect the Cutter to keep 6000 units of q-fuel..... I also didn't expect CIG to *Cut* its wings so thoroughly, pun intended.
I feel it should have 1000 to 1200 would make it good option, if it that low just get a avenger titan.
Well... I expected a cut, but not by a factor of 10 ... Guess my Cutter will be upgraded to something else then... The Fuel capacity was literally the only reason to have this ship as daily driver.
I wouldn't can it "bad" news. More like "it really was too good to be true news"
To be honest, it was pretty obvious it was a mistake. When you consider how much fuel you have in another ships, why would the cutter being a starship and very very small have so much fuel.
That's a shame, I got myself a Cutter package. Looks like I will be making more smaller jumps in the future.
They changed it to 1960L, not 600. So whoever typed the original 6k in must have been having a stoke when they did it cuz 6000 wasn’t even close
It's still has the greatest travel distance by a good amount of any small ship
Yeah, I knew this was wrong when I saw that the Cutter had 1000 units more than the Corsair
Over-clocked, sold, nerf'd. Come on, they do THIS kinda shit, all the time. Watch them work the market, ffs.
Its a shame but makes a lot of sense. Somehow, I just upgraded mine to a cuttie black last night without knowing that...and this morning a friend sent me your video. I still love the cutter but yeah...its not meant to make long trips