Its tricky because if you totally listen to the actor then you end up like Harrison Ford with Han Solo who exited rather quickly in this sequel trilogy. But then if you only get the director, you have mark Hamill with luke, who doesnt leave fast but leaves badly.
The fact that mark hates the Luke in the new trilogy for the same reasons I do I find astonishing! The moves they made with that character is unforgivable... it killed the Star Wars saga. They should have hired people who understand the most iconic character in the Star Wars universe and made him better!
he wanted to get the gang back together in 1 movie, he wanted to be luke and provide us the old luke because we never got to meet the old luke, sadly enough we got this bull crap and i feel terrible for mark hamill he is such a great guy and talented actor. i hope he won't be depressed
Exactly! This director sucks he's rushing to cut off the classic characters! The old Luke in my vision was supposed to be similar Obi wan in the New Hope and at least be in the story til chapter 9 or further! He's one of the main heroes I thought it was a sequel but sometimes looks a reboot...
Yes. I was listening to that douchebag insinuate that Mark wanted to be the star of the show, not the Obi-wan chararacter. He just wanted to character of Luke to be treated with some respect
“Hes not the Luke now, He’s the obi wan” I don’t recall seeing obi wan in ep4 being a grumpy old hermit refusing to speak to anyone. He was full of hope and optimism, literally forcing Luke to become a Jedi. Luke here is clearly the opposite of that. The people at Disney that had power in this film were NOT fans nore cared about George’s starwars
I had a feeling you would comment on this video😅.This video actually breaks my heart and describes how this didn’t only effect us as fans, but also the original cast. Really is a terrible thing, Luke deserved so much more...
This video, still to this day keeps tearing my heart. It's just so heart breaking to see my hero Luke, depressed and sad, and in the end even crying :( I just can't watch this, its too much for me
Ya, they had this weird thing going on in the second movie where no one else but rey had a time to shine. Everyone’s moment got cut short or succumb to being a plot device
It's subversion for the sake of subversion and thinking it's avant garde. Void of logic. No respect for the past. Intentionally destructive. Some major miscalculations and incompetence happened all around, especially above Rian Johnson's level. Someone hired and approved this script, paid the bills, gave him the go-ahead. Reboot the trilogy. And do it soon.
Gold Fishy It’s absolutely not subversion for the sake of it. It’s about Rian’s take on how these people are PEOPLE. This is why Luke’s life has worn him down. And Rian’s realisation that JJ had no answers and no plan, so let’s get rid of the one-dimensional Snoke and let’s focus on the real meaty piece: Adam Driver. Then let’s offer a surprising and tragic answer to the mystery of Rey’s parents by revealing they’re just junkies who sold their daughter off. And he wanted to move on from the old cast and genuinely focus on the new stuff, rather than rely on endless callbacks. There’s a difference between ‘respect’ to past and ‘clinging to the past’. Every choice he made was quite logical. These choices may not be escapist and ‘Star Wars’ enough for the fans but that just means he was the wrong man for the job, not that he’s bad at what he does necessarily. And given the fact that he’s just released an excellent, intricately plotted and perfectly executed mystery film, it’s fair to say he knows exactly what he’s doing.
@@sahirkhan2835 Part of being a good director is knowing your genre, understanding your audience, and respecting the heritage if it's a sequel. Three areas Rian failed to accomplish. Yes, he's a great director otherwise. Brick is fantastic. Also, characters are not PEOPLE. They are representations of reality, not reality itself. There is a necessary economy to film-making and it needs to function on many levels simultaneously. Rian created an illogical story heavy on social commentary and not much else.
@@sahirkhan2835 Success in a film doesn't validate another. M. Night S. (Don't wanna spell that last name lol) made tons of great movies but he also made The Last Airbender. Just because someone is capable of making a good movie doesn't mean they aren't capable of making a bad one. And subversions don't necessarily mean that they fix problems of unoriginality. In fact Rian creates even more problems by adding these subversions. Luke tosses his father's lightsaber. This is his FATHER'S LIGHTSABER. The man was willing to due for his father but once he sees it he tosses it. Rey's parents being nobody's would've been a wonderful subversion if Rey ever had to work for her power. It would've solidified that the power she has, she has earned, except in reality her character is so bland and poorly written that she doesn't deserve or earn any of the power she has Rian's job should've been carrying the story over from Force Awakens. If you remember, Vader never really was around for a New Hope. Sure he was the main antagonist but he was never really built upon other than the fact that he's evil, he was once good, and he's powerful. So Snoke's lack of character in ep7 is totally understandable. Rian didn't kill Snoke because he was one dimensional. He killed him because he didn't want to write anything clever for him and wanted to surprise the crowd. That's something he loves doing, and though I haven't watched Knives Out, apparently it's doing well and good for him. JJ gave him the setup (as unoriginal as it was) and what Rian should've done was take the time to develop the Luke-Rey relationship as well as the Kylo Snoke relationship. This would certainly be something new because we've rarely seen dark side training and it would've been a perfect way to build all 4 characters. People don't want endless callbacks but people also want what they love to be respected. Perhaps the largest mistake Rian made was fucking with Luke. For some reason Rian has this perception of Luke that he's a god and that we the audience needs to know that he's only human. Except the audience has known that he's just human ever since the beginning of Star Wars! Luke fails and fails and fails all throughout the OT and we love him because he doesn't let anything keep him down. He somehow always finds the power within himself to do what's right even if it means that he dies. That's why we all fell in love with Luke. Not because he was a hero, but because he was someone we could relate to. We all stumble and fall in our path and Luke inspired the same feeling within ourselves. We should pick ourselves back up and keep going. Now something really funny though is that Rian preaches at how we need to shit on Luke to make him "realistic" but Rey has barely had any sort of trials in her life, yet she's the strongest Jedi in history for some dumb reason. What exactly has she failed at? What hardships have shaped her into a better person? How has her character grown throughout the series? Why should we feel excited for her? Why should we feel sad for her? We never get these questions answered because Rey is a marysue. There's no depth, just power.
"in this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker, he's Obi" Wrong. He's Luke Skywalker. Hamill understood that and they patronised him. Don't worry we got you, Hamill. You're a legend for being so professional.
I think he was saying that, Luke Skywalker isn't the protagonist of this trilogy, he's the mentor. And I think Mark understood that, and we all wanted to see that... but that's not what they did with the character haha
He also isn’t even like Obi-Wan in this film, Kenobi was for training Luke and even convinced Yoda to train him in Empire. Both were hermits, but they weren’t even portrayed similarly.
It shows how much of a class act Mark hamill is that even though he doesn’t agree with the script, he still did his best and played his part to the best of his ability
Look at his face. Don't tell me he didn't hate this movie. Edit: apperently Mark wishes people didn't use him as a bludgeon against the movie. I respect that, he didn't want to be the one who divided the fanbase. I just hope he understands why so many people saw him as the voice they didn't have.
@Henry Louis21 he does. lucasfilm told him to shut up. once these films are done and he is no longer under their contract he will tell us how much he hated it again
dude he didn't agree with anything they did with his character. he criticised the film time and time again. you can tell he can't stand Rian Johnson and that he also had some issues with JJ. Just because you like the last jedi doesn't mean Hamill did. Are you gonna tell me Alec Guinness loved the originals? What about Harrison Ford? I'm not stubborn, Hamill was very vocal for months about his views on TLJ, he tried to tone it down a lot there is obviously a lot more he wanted to say but tried not to be disrespectful. Eventually he realised, with the help of Kennedy or Iger or someone that he can't keep talking negative about TLJ. So he shut up like a good professional. Almost everything Luke did in that movie was out of character, Hamill knew that and didn't like it. Tom Kane who has voiced various characters in Star Wars spoke out against The Last Jedi at celebration this year, criticising the Holdo character and the fact they killed off Admiral Ackbar. Hamill did not agree with the direction the new trilogy, especially TLJ has gone in, he was vocal about it for months. There are full interviews available online in text, video and audio. Hamill started to praise TLJ after it came out because he had to. You are the one living in a fantasy world where Hamill is probably your idol but TLJ is your favourite film and it pains you to see him disagree with you. And if Hamill somehow magically changed his mind and looooooooved the movie, means next to nothing. It split the fanbase, people who hated the prequels worship them now. Disney and Lucasfilm effed up. Whether you liked the movie or not you have to be able to admit that
How about Mark Hamill crying at the end. I know actors get them selves to cry for a scene but it seems he felt genuine remorse over his character and the production. He didn’t have context when he made the scene all he could do was conjure up how he was feeling about everything.
Disgusting. The guy at 1:04 makes it seem like Mark is jealous about not being the main character and therefore disagrees with the script. Mark doesn’t think he should be the main character, he just knows that the character he’s playing should be the Luke Skywalker we know.
i agree, in no way did it sound like he was pushing for the protagonist role, it sounded more like he wanted what his character would be from the original triligy only aged to thepoint where he has to be the one to teach what he learned and practiced. the idea that anyone can be redeemed if they are willing to do what is right.
I disagree. The guy just wanted to elaborate that luke's part is akin to that of obi-wan. The old instructor archetype. Nothing more. I also believe that hammil has come back on his words regarding the last jedi. I'd take that into account when passing judgement.
Gertjan Van den Broek you think hamill is coming back from what he thought about the last Jedi? Are you kidding? It literally ruined the whole new trilogy. Maybe if the second movie had meaning instead of just killing off the best characters and most loved ones then the whole trilogy and the third movie would have been better. They sound so smug these writers because they made the story and they know mark hates them for what they have done. “It’s the realization that Luke isn’t Luke”... why the fuck wouldn’t Luke be the Luke we know? Rian Johnson wanted to subvert expectations because he hates Star Wars.
"It's not my character to decide, it belongs to other people, they just rent it out to me." It's heartbreaking to see him break to the point he felt that way about Luke. Even if he's not in charge on how Luke was written, he's the one who brings that character to life. He at least, deserved to be heard for his opinions. After all, Mark Hamill is probably the last person on Earth that wanted to see a Star Wars movie fails.
That final behind the scenes shot of Hammil weeping and unable to rise on his own contains more raw emotion than anything portrayed in the entirety of the franchise, old or new. Heartbreaking!
@@cheezeebutter452 I would totally understand if he couldn't get up and was lamenting the loss of a character that gave hope to generations, as Rian Johnson squatted over the corpse of Luke Skywalker and squeezed out a bantha sized dump onto it.
It is even more sad given what scene this is. It's Luke seeing his school, his legacy being burned to the ground. You (And probs Hammil) can see this as Rian destroying the Legacy of Luke here...
There was actually multiple interviews after the film was completed and released where Mark says that he regrets what he said about Rian's vision and he was totally wrong and that it worked out better then he could have imagined
@UrbanExplorer1000 Yet they were totally fine with him in the documentary for promoting the film! Saying that he thinks it was badly handled, they easily could have edited it out and they didnt. I genuinely believe Mark has more integrity then you think
Oisin D On one hand I want to agree with you, but on the other hand...Mark not liking it and sharing the sentiments of many unhappy fans, only to suddenly have a change of heart, seems way too...convenient, and beneficial for Disney. It seems equally likely to me that Disney kept his negative opinions because they knew they could just tell him to say positive things later. Ultimately I don’t really know. But the timing is too questionable to ignore.
“He’s not the Luke skywalker of this trilogy.” What? Do they not understand that this is the problem with the movie?! It’s okay if he’s not the main character or hero but he can still be Luke skywalker
This is the problem with seeing characters as simply tools to tell a story, instead of stories as a tool to present characters' journeys. It's the thing that divides those of us who care about the fable and those who care about political messages in art.
They mean it as - he is now the mentor to Kylo and Rey... He is no longer the trainee that Luke was in the originals, but now the master with his own pupils (like Obi Wan was in the originals).
They're talking as if Luke was just an ARCHETYPE. Luke was a well developed character, with strengths and weaknesses. Rey is an archetype (the Mary Sue).
I get that but he didn't even do as much as Obi-Wan in the OT. He failed once, renounced the force, refused to train Rey, and then died. That character would be interesting in a story but my thing is that since it just so happens to be Luke Skywalker it seems almost disrespectful or lazy
1:05 Thats so unfair. The way he says it, its like Mark is an egoistic little kid that wants his character to be the protagonist, just because he is in the movie. Its pretty obvious the only thing Mark wanted was to have a well written story for his character, instead of this dumpster we got from Rian
And that they don't even understand said characters. Obi Wan wasn't at all the way Luke is portrayed in Last Jedi. Luke could've been supporting cast while still being true to his character.
It's sad hear what Mark says! He has totally the right to own something on how Luke is been portrayed! If George was the head of the saga again... It would be different! This director and that woman sucks in star wars
@@FordzyS No one is suggesting Mark write the screen play, just saying he should have input. Plus, the evil twin clone has already been done in Star Wars Legends.
shimshimma well it’s because of TLJ that most are seeing ROS as even worse than so. They had to explain everything that was nothing that happened in episode 8. This franchise is at the Hobbes and Shaw of the Fast and Furious stage where you go for the pew pews and say fuck you to the story
rjtomato How is it because of TLJ that ROS is a mess? It’s a mess because JJ didn’t have any answers, he just knew he didn’t like Rian’s. And he wasn’t going to build on them. Rian didn’t do anything to undo JJ’s work, he just went a different way with it. But JJ spent most of ROS actively undoing Rian’s work instead of picking up the pieces and telling a good story. And he desperately brought back to Emperor to paper over the cracks. No competent director does any of this. ROS is entirely JJ’s fault.
Sahir Khan Lets just be clear, I’m referring to the writing not the directing as which your comment remarks. The writing in which at the top of my head JJ did episode 9, Rian did 8 and I’m pretty sure (forgot his name) the writer of two of the three original trilogy movies. I want to also make it a fact, not an opinion, that Rian DID undo the story telling episode 7 set up. There’s an endless list of story points that I can say but I’ll start with two KEY story arcs that obliterate your statement of ROS being its own fault “entirely” The first is Snoke. Killed him with no character development at all. His death is not impactful. The more time a character has on screen the more invested you will be of what becomes of them. The second is Luke fucking SkyWalker. Why in the first movie it was written as if Luke went into HIDING but if there is an emergency here’s a MAP TO FIND ME if you need me. TLJ: “Luke, I need you.” “No, I don’t want to be FOUND!” Not even going to explain that character flaw, but mention that I’m pretty sure a CHARACTER DEATH can greatly affect how you write Episode 9. So yes it is a mere fact that the faults of Rise of Skywalker is in fault because of The Last Jedi.
The fact that Mark Hamill actually devoted himself to realize Rian’s vision is truly amazing. He keeps it very professional. It does, however, break my heart what he said about Luke not being his character and Luke being “rented out” to him. I am not a fan of TLJ and I’ll always watch the original trilogy over the sequel trilogy (and the prequel trilogy).
anime is for losers Mark Hamill showed up every day on set, acted his ass off and was cordial. He is allowed to have whatever opinions he wants because frankly after 40 years I trust him to know the part of Luke. Despite Mark being really self deprecating he is actually a very intelligent well versed character actor. The guy knows what he is talking about
Luke Skywalker didn't need to be the main character of the new trilogy, but I really wanted him to be the Luke I grew up watching. The dude could have played a role like Gandalf, powerful but plays a position suited for his character. My father watched the OG Trilogy as a child, and when I was growing up, the prequels were coming out. But he made sure I watched the Originals, and Luke Skywalker quickly became my favorite hero. My father passed away before Disney bought Lucasfilm and The Force Awakens. Star Wars was special to him. It was something that made him feel like a kid again whenever we'd talk about it. Now that dark humor of me just has to say, I'm glad he is gone, so he didn't see what had happened to his favorite hero. It's a damn shame for sure. After the last Jedi, I was so sad for Mark Hamill. I knew going into the movie that something was wrong based on his interviews beforehand. But I held optimism, but we all know how that turned out. It's just...a damn shame...
"In this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker. He's Obi" Just shows how much they Fundamentally misunderstand Luke, Obi Wan, and the franchise. Obi Wan didn't abandon anyone or his Jedi beliefs. He stayed loyal to the Jedi and to Luke for years, watching, protecting. And later teaching. Whereas TLJ Luke abandoned his friends, family, and the Jedi ways. It shows how superficial they view the franchise. “Luke is old, and alone. Obi Wan was old and alone. They are so similar. We are great writers”. There’s nothing similar to the depiction of these characters. Their motivations are polar opposites. Obi Wan was selfless. Luke was selfish.
theOmnos very telling of their wide open lack of creativity, and the fact that everything they do is a new spin or retread of something else that’s not only been done before, but has been done in star wars lol
@@0derpred0 but they can't even do that properly... They fundamentally misunderstood what the hell each character was about, the motivations and the actual meaning of their actions.
I think when he said he is Obi, it was more like his role as a side character in the movie but i could be wrong, doesn't matter anyway, the sequels are not canon in my head and i've disliked them since TFA (which is the only one i watched of them)
He purposely throws his lightsaber on Return Of the Jedi, so... he did that. And in the originals he complains a lot, also he oftens don't find himself capable of doing what he´s supposed to do. Luke is also a human being, we aren´t always optimistic. There needs to be downs to go up.
Nacho Casal and he almost killed vader. Which is something people kinda forget when he does the same with ben; he was always impulsive, and not a PERFECT human being that cannot make mistakes just because of the events of the ot. Its fucking stupid. They wanted a “jesus christ” out of him forever, and couldn’t accept grief and regret.
Nacho Casal he throws the lightsaber down in ROTJ because he refuses to kill his father. Jesus Christ, man. LOL! Don’t try to make up shit for your own narrative
Ofer Mizrahi We agree to disagree. I thought his arc was absolutely terrible. Before you respond, I just want to state I'm not looking for a back and forth, all reasons for both opinions have already been laid out. You have your reasons and I my own, let's just leave it at that.
Kathleen Kennedy: " Fucking Starwars is a power only one(Lucas) has achieved but if we work together I am sure we can discover the secret" Rian Johnson : " I will do wathever you ask. I pledge myself to your teachings"
This is the central reason we were all so upset. Mark is a treasure. He understands Luke. J.J. and Rian are total hacks for what they did on this trilogy.
Nooo... mark.. you ARE that character. You are luke Skywalker to so many people and thatll never change. They cannot replace who you were and still are, the real fans of you and the star wars franchise will always remember who you were and who Skywalker was. Dont lose hope, you provided it
At least Tommy didn’t actually hit Lisa... Ruin Johnson actually ruined Star Wars. He would be hung if this were the 1800s. He tarnished a national treasure.
Everyone is with you Mark, years later we still hurt just like you. Rian Johnson is an Ignorant human beeing doing so wrong to a character so may of us loved and respected... cant believe someone let him do it.
Handsome Jack Yes, but a NECESSARY EVIL thanks to CLUELESS DISNEY SHILLS❣️ THE VAMPIRE 🐭 brung this 💩 down on itself, & NOW DESERVES EVERYTHING NEGATIVE IT HAS COMING! THEY THINK THEY OWN THE 🌍 !
@@mr.smiley4268 making death threats to the actors isn't justified just because you don't like the direction of the film's. They ruined that Anakin kids life
“It’s not my character to decide. It just belongs to other people that rented it out to me”. Luke will always be YOUR character. You never rented him. You’re the one and only Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill.
I think he's talking about how George Lucas created his character... And how the new directors just disregarded that character and created a new luke... That it's not the new directors decision on how mark should act..
@@manuelreyesjr.8630, you do realise that Lucas actually agrees with the direction Luke's Character was taken in. He originally planned for that to happen. And as for it 'not being their business into how mark should act' Rian Johnson was the DIRECTOR, Mark's job is to help him deliver his vision, not the actor's vision. If Luke wasn't how he was in TLJ he would have been either a boring ass stonefaced serious devoted Jedi like prequel jedis, or the same whiny impatient brat that he was in the original Trilogy, it would have been a yawnfest. In fact RoS was actually the impact of all the fans complaining and it pretty much became a fanfiction i could find on reddit.
I wanted a Rey and Luke buddy team up. Apparently the writers found Luke was way too OP whenever they added him in the original Episode 7 script Lucas worked on before the sale to Disney.
I hate Lucasfilm. From how Iger had come after Kennedy after the films release....I do not think he was even aware of what was going on. He generally lets Pixar, Marvel, etc do their thing, because they have always done it right. But the realization of what this film did to the franchise (yes probably from a monetary standpoint) HE WAS FURIOUS with how the fan reaction was, and what the film did to fans. He understands the premise of known characters, and how they should be treated in future installments on film. Mark was completely flipped from what HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. Carrie it is now being rumored wound up in her "COMA" through most the movie because of her disagreements with not only Marks character, but hers as well. THAT WAS NOT THE LEAH WE KNOW. THAT WAS NOT THE LUKE WE KNOW. Johnson and Kennedy destroyed the franchise and I am telling you the only reason Kennedy got renewed was because you do not oust a CEO in the middle of a corporate purchase (FOX). This was and is her last renewal I assure you. Being a animation from Disney fan for 35 + years.....the way it went out about her renewal and how Disney does shit....this IS her final renewal.
Joseph Trueblood His body language is what mine was right before I quit my job. He looks like he was probably under a huge amount of anxiety. He knows he could do better and he is constantly watching people tear something valuable to him apart but he has to do it. I'd be surprised if he ever came back as a ghost (unless he already had signed on to do it)
"He is the Obi wan" Uhhh *No* Obi wan Lost Everything(All of those at the Temple, The Love of His Life, His Master, The Closest one he had to a Brother, The Wife of Said Brother and Was Forced into hiding due to Order 66 and He Knows the Clones Didn't want to do that But were Forced to) and Yet he Kept the Code, Got Wiser and Actually had a Purpose which is Protect Luke at all Costs and then Train him The Luke of the Sequel Trilogy Wanted to die, abandoned his Friends and Family, Almost Killed his own Nephew in his Sleep (Which Doesn't make sense as Luke would never do that. The one who saw light in VADER would see it in a Young Conflicted Boy) and Went to hiding for So long and When Called Back he Just Ignores it all Conclusion: Luke was not Himself Nor he was the "Obi wan of this Trilogy". He was someone Completely Different and We all hate that
Obi and the old Luke are nothing alike. Obi, when asked to help, decided to help while also teaching Luke the way of the force. Luke just mopped around waiting to die.
Luke did exactly what obi wan would do. The only reason he didn’t kill anakin was because that was his brother. But yet he still pressured Luke to kill Vader even though it was his father. Luke attempted to kill ben because he wouldn’t be able to go through seeing his nephew become another anakin.
Mad respect to Mark. Though he disagreed he didn’t make a huge fuss and still brought his A game. But dang I still feel bad for him. At least he got to feel like he was playing Luke again in mando.
That's an awesome point, a main character in a more cerebral fashion, always there but less about the action and more about helping out. Ugh it pai a me that this never happened.
What a trooper. I wish more fans could share his mindset, you can be critical of something and still behave like a human being. Mark Hamill is a treasure and we don't deserve him.
“He thought he was going to be the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy...” Um, yeah! Because that’s the character he plays! Luke didn’t need to be the main hero. He just still needed to be Luke. Thankfully 8 wasn’t the end.
The pushback against Hamill in this clip is softly accusing him of having a big ego and wanting to dominate the new trilogy. I don't get that sense from Mark's public statements at all. Yes, he wanted a reunion with Carrie and Harrison, and he definitely wanted a bigger slice of the action. For God's sake, he was only on-screen for 30 seconds in TFA. Could anyone blame him for being disappointed in that? I think Mark was very clear-eyed about the fact this was not his trilogy. He just wanted to be the same Luke he was in the first trilogy, and he also wanted to be the wise mentor. But, JJ and Rian denied him on both. This Luke was completely unrecognizable. At least Obi-Wan tagged along through much of ANH and played a wise advisory role. Mark didn't even get to do that! So, Rian and that other guy's comments about Mark were just nonsense. The new trilogy shows contempt for elders rather than respect. Literally the film's vision is that the best thing the old guard can do is die and let the young ones "who already know everything they need to (paraphrasing Yoda in TLJ)" get on with it. Pffffft!
He understood Star Wars, and understood the fans... Much like Ryan Reynolds in wolverine origins and Deadpool... To go against him is to go against who he is the ambassador of, which is the fans
I wouldn't blame JJ. I would say JJ definitely built up Luke a lot in TFA that made us excited to see him at the end and more importantly what happened to him. Why he left behind a map. How powerful he is etc. Even though Luke didnt have a lot of screen time, he had a lot of mystical presence. Ofc Rian reversed direction and gave him lots of screen time but a bad excuse for why luke disappeared and basically nulled the hype. The only good thing Rian did was make Luke a mentor and mention the fall of the jedi. And at least make Luke die in front of twin suns. Even with RoS JJ is giving Luke screentime. Tbh JJ really should have stayed on to at least make the story cohesive. Ideally Trevarrow as he and mark hamill agreed the most on Luke's character
@@Megadog33 It was George Lucas's idea to make Luke a depressed hermit and an unwillingly teacher of a young woman. That was one of the few things that survived the gutting of his story treatments for a sequel trilogy. Not saying it was a good decision. But JJ is not to blame on this one. Now Rian probably took that concept a few steps too far though. For the next movies we just need a completely new cast set in a distant time in the future or past. Stop tampering with Lucas' vision of the Jedi in Anakin's arc. Disney needs to form their own original arc to unite the fanbase behind something truly new. Like The Mandalorian. None of the OT characters present to soak up all the attention.
This is depressing me. You can see how upset Mark is here. Mark deserved better, Luke deserved better... the fucking Star Wars fandom deserved better. My love for Star Wars was hit by a bullet with this movie.
ya its so full of strange and bizarre creative choices that dont make sense and its depressing because there isnt much we can do about it except move on
I feel so bad for Mark. He had already signed a contract so he had no choice but to do what Rian said, even though he knew it would completely destroy the character. He was in a hopeless situation.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f Really? I'm a fan and I loved Luke in TLJ. It's was challenging at first, but I love it. And if Mark knows what fans want, then how come he disagreed with George on ROTJ? And fans love that!
I don’t care what anyone says, call me any slanderous name in the book. Luke is and always will be a symbol of hope and nobody can take that away. No matter how terribly written his character is.
That’s a character that defined his career. It’s a character that meant a lot to him. They pretty much just destroyed his world. I can’t say I really blame him. Luke Skywalker was never supposed to lose hope. That’s what Mark believed. That’s the reality he lived. I can’t imagine how he must’ve felt filming this.
Mark was the one person in all of Star Wars that cared about his character, now Luke's dead and had his grave shat on by Disney, Star Wars is no longer a epic, it's a Greek tragedy.
johnskywalkers11 Snoke doesn't get enough attention, they did his character DIRTY. He had the potential to be a great villain but they humiliated him without even building him up.
For this crap to be a 'Greek tragedy' would imply there is culture and emotion behind it. NuWars utterly lacks those things, and more. I can barely express myself this shit makes me so mad, Kennedy , JJ, Iger, the lot should cook in hell for eternity for their shameless greed and cynicism.
I saw a screen trailer for Jedi... free. Decided after seeing it, not to go to theater and give them my money. Saw a screen trailer of Avengers... free. Still went to theater to give them my money. *You don’t have to tell me how much "you" don't like the Avengers. My point is I support what i like and what i want to see more of. I, personally, was beyond disappointed with Jedi. I’m almost scared of what they're going to do to Boba Fett.
It's beyond Mark just being upset he isn't the star hero. The ultimate example of why Luke doesn't make much sense.... Luke tries to kill his nephew out of suspicion that he MAY turn to the dark side in the future because "Snoke got to him". And yet he believed his dad could be turned to light. A man whom he'd never met and had served Palpatine for decades. Am I seriously supposed to believe Luke would kill his sister's kid on a hunch?
I can understand what Rian wanted to do with Luke. Too bad it didn't really work. The reason for Luke going into hiding is just too simple. I don't know, make it so that Luke accidentally killed one of his students who happened to be Ben's friend. Not "thinking about killing him based on a vision".
he wasnt going to kill him in the real scene, one was a scene made up by ben and the other was the scene of the real events, told by luke. he contemplated on the idea but decided it was not right, however, ben saw him and decided to attack anyways and luke had to defend himself.
@@PoKeKidMPK1 But why would he even contemplate the idea? That's not something somebody would do who saw the good in the most hated and feared man in the galaxy.
@@bustanut5501 because thats not the order in how it works. he saw ben do things that are equivalent to what anakin did. slaughter the other kids, burn down the place, slaughter his own parents, etc. luke felt there was no other way he could stop him because it was too late. palpatine had already influenced him far too strongly. you see him stop he sees its wrong. he doesnt want to do it but he knows if he doesnt then people will die. its either ben dies or everyone else does. anakin didnt turn to the good side in the movies until he realized he was going to lose luke and potentially leia as well. he already lost padme, realized he could not get her back and had enough of palpatine. either he was the one who should take action like he wanted and be the sith master, or go to the light side to end it all for the better. ben was only starting, theres not much luke could do but defend himself. he never attacked ben, he decided not to. ben attacked him and if he didnt defend the attack he wouldve died by bens lightsaber. instead luke, leia and others lived but lukes apprentices and han, among others died at the hands of ben and the new imperial order.
“He was always a symbol of hope and optimism” that reminds me of a certain tweet Mark Hamill put out recently... where he stated that he enjoyed playing Luke again back when he was still “a symbol of hope and optimism for the Galaxy”
They couldn't even sugar coat it or sweep it under the rug in a heavily edited corporal Disney "everything went fine" production documentary as the fine folks at RLM would put it. That says alot.
Indeed because everyone would be saying this doc isn't authentic without adressing this issue. But notice that Kathleen Kennedy is completely absent from the dic, she's letting Rian Johnson taking all the responsibility for this failure.
Letting Rian Johnson take all the responsibility...and yet his trilogy is still slated to happen. SJW's once again proving they can't learn from or correct their mistakes; they can only double down and prove to their fellow SJW's how dedicated and woke they are. Or something like that, I tire of these idiots and their infiltration of all things good.
"He thought he was going to be the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy..." Firstly, it's always nice when someone tells you what you're thinking. Secondly, the guy who played Luke is wrong for thinking he's playing Luke? Comon dude. Plus if Obi-Wan is what Rian was trying for, he missed by a mile. Obi-Wan was calm, cool and collected and was happy to teach Luke about the force, not some suicidal sad sack that gave up when the going got tough. Screw this crap.
Luke became the polar opposite of Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wanted to train Luke. Luke said he had things to do. Obi-Wan kept egging him on. Rian Johnson Luke is a Luke who can't wait to burn down the Jedi religion. Yet he came there to seek out the first Jedi temple, yet he came to the most "unfindable place" (what a word in a Star Wars movie!) to get away from it all? It's a total inconsistent mess.
Exactly, not even close to Obi Wan. He is Luke Skywalker morons. These idiots had no clue what they were doing or care what the consequences are. Their only concern was trying to make their own glory but I hope all involved in this movie never work on another Star Wars film or any film ever again.
Radioactive Since 1990 insult on top of insult with Luke’s handling. It was a long agonizing spiral downwards for his character. Practically the whole movie he was in a rut. He gets to pretend to represent hope for less than 5 minutes then puffs into nothing. That says fuck hope rather than have hope.
I never thought I would see a day when Luke skywalker, the man who believed his father still had good in him despite the fact that he wasn’t even a man anymore, would give up hope in his best friends and sisters son, his nephew, and try to murder him in cold blood in his sleep. One of my favorite characters in all of cinema and movies and tv shows and games, had been shat on and burned to ash. I can’t even begin to imagine how mark feels. You put your heart and soul into a character and learn every inch of what they will and won’t do. And then some dickhead comes along with little to no artistic integrity or heart and puts it into a hopeful optimistic person. Luke skywalker was more real then Jj Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, or rian Johnson will ever hope to be.
"I don't think he ever got to the point where he thought, 'Ok, I understand why Luke has to go at the end of this'. But he was _completely_ devoted to making what I had written the most powerful version it can possibly be onscreen." You didn't deserve that devotion, Ruin. Nor did Kennedy. And you never will. It's embarrassing and heartbreaking, and not just because "things are different", but because of how fundamentally and comprehensively they've spat on every element of the legacy - up to and including Mark Hamill and Luke Skywalker.
"It's an interesting thing because, you know, you have your own view on how your character should be and how he should be utilized." You know where you got that view, Mark? GEORGE LUCAS. We're not just talking about a character you played while detached from the creator - the character of Luke Skywalker was influenced by several talented writers and directors across the original trilogy, but it all came from George Lucas. So, your "view" in this instance, however non-confrontational or devoted, is the _only_ legitimate one because it was founded and reinforced by the man who created the character, the tale, and the universe of Star Wars. Ruin and Kennedy have no authority over that.
It just goes to show just how amazing of a person and actor Mark is. He does understand that as an actor it's his job to do whatever the director tells him to do, even if you disagree with the director, your vision isn't the one being realized. That said Rian is a sad hack of a human being, director and writer and should NEVER have been allowed to touch anything to do with Star Wars.
First of all, his name is Obi-Wan, not Obi. Also, the fact that Mark Hamill is literally on the ground bawling because of what a monstrosity this movie is, and everyone’s just watching, makes me feel like something needs to change in Lucasfilm.
I cant imagine how humiliating it must have been to have been forced to drive a beloved character into the ground or at least try to make the fall as good as possible knowing it's just a glorified bad end. Mark deserves better
The fact that they say Mark thought he would be the "Luke Skywalker of this trilogy" and the realization that he isn't, he's supposed to be "Ben", just goes to prove how little all these people making this trilogy know about the character of Luke Skywalker. Also how unfit they ever were to make successor films to Lucas's 6 film saga. #NOTMYLUKE #NOTMYCANON #NOTMYSTARWARS
And you sound like an even BIGGER dumbass and an idiotic fool bringing in Hillary and politics into a topic where none of that bullshit belongs. Good job.
mr reality The only one here that got "triggered" was you since you were the one to bitch about my comment in the first place. It's funny how you now cry about "freedom of speech" and yet, you're the one who had a problem with my comment to begin with which makes you an ironic hypocrite... You can piss off now... "buddy".
they mean Ben in the sense that he's not the main character of this movie, not the character itself. You want that? go watch ANH and TFA if you like seeing nice old guys die as plot devices.
When Mark wept at then end of that shot, I bet these fools all thought he was weeping due to being overcome with emotion at that scene but in reality, he weeps at seeing the symbolic destruction of his character and all of George Lucas's creation going up in those flames at the hands of these incompetent bastards.
Modsleix 6, Hamill himself said after The Last Jedi, that he misunderstood what Johnson as going for, and seeing the way the character was portrayed pleased him.
Landmine Productions Please stop shilling. Even in an interview from just a couple of days ago Mark described how the film may please art critics but would make fans unhappy.
Landmine Productions you're so naive, Disney Lucasfilm were very unhappy with how outspoken Hammil was, they felt like it manipulated people and was detrimental to TLJ's success. If you want to know Hammils real feelings about the movie watch his reaction after he saw the premiere. It speaks for itself.
And this is what you call a professional. He knows his character the best and isn't affraid to tell his opinion to the director and scriptwriter. But, that is not stopping him from doing what he is wanted to do by the best way he can.
It’s sad but remember it’s just fiction. Also just remember he’s always about hope. Don’t let this movie ruin things for you. Just re-watch him when he was younger
1:15 I can't believe this is actually how some people interpret my character. I was on Tatooine with a mission: protect Luke so he can save the galaxy and the Jedi. I know Luke and I taught him the ways of the Force. That guy in the Last Jedi is definitely not Luke Skywalker.
Obi-Wan Kenobi I don’t think that’s what he meant. He means Luke is Obi in the sense that he’s not the protagonist any more, but rather that he’s the mentor figure to the protagonist. They’re saying that Mark needs to accept that Luke isn’t the main character anymore.
MrLethalShots ofcourse we’ll never know but I for one feel the sequels could’ve worked much better if they started with Luke and Ben before he turned..
@@MrLethalShots well no Mark Harmil really hates how Luke turned out he's not talking about being a main character he is talking on how he dislikes the change from Luke's optimism and hopefulness into the pessimistic hermit as he feels it's unearned It goes into more depth on why he dislikes his character in a variety of interviews
@@mikevinna2096 it kinda ticks me off how they made it seem like Mark was some sort of glory hog and wanted to be the protagonist, that that was why he had a fundamental problem with Rian's portrayal. That could be farther from the case! Mark has come to be an amazing actor and voice actor. His problem with Rians portrayal was that it simply made no sense. It wldv been fine as a completely different character but there is no way Luke wld become the way Rian wrote him, especially not in the time frame given. Rian has no skill or talent for creating characters. He has a "tin ear" for motivation and the heros journey. One of the worst writers in history. But whats more diagraceful is how they dragged Mark through the mud simply because he (an actor) is a better writer than Rian. And Marks issues with TLJ is proof of that.
Yeah I'd rather they left them out and said "luke Leia and han got in a accident in the millennium falcon and all perished" and then forget about them then this abomination
yung turt the new movie is worse honestly but both completely raped the franchise. Not in a daddy issue whore kind of way but in a violated non daddy issue whore kind of way
@@GXtera well, also you have to look at the fact that Mark said he originally signed up for it because 1) at the time, Lucas was still involved before he sold it to Disney and 2) he said that since they got Harrison Ford to come back that spoke a lot to him. He really thought they'd do what was right for the characters. The money was a plus, sure. But I don't think that's all of why Mark was going to do it.
Harrison wanted Han to die. This was in the Disney AND Lucas version George Lucas and the Original Plans Star Wars Episode 7 - Luke and Han Solo - Star Wars Analyzed ua-cam.com/video/uFHNz_8HfjE/v-deo.html
"It's not my character to decide." I mean he is technically right and I applaud him for not having the ego that so many others do in saying that but I gotta tell you, this is the one time in history where I wish he did have the ego and did tell Rain to go F off with his crap. He ruined Luke.
"It's not my character to...to decide."
Tell me you didn't feel the fucking heartbreak as he was reading that line as well.
Its tricky because if you totally listen to the actor then you end up like Harrison Ford with Han Solo who exited rather quickly in this sequel trilogy. But then if you only get the director, you have mark Hamill with luke, who doesnt leave fast but leaves badly.
@Matt S robert and chris's marvel wasnt that good of movies
I actually didn't
Its a documentary he wasn't reading a line
The fact that mark hates the Luke in the new trilogy for the same reasons I do I find astonishing! The moves they made with that character is unforgivable... it killed the Star Wars saga. They should have hired people who understand the most iconic character in the Star Wars universe and made him better!
They humiliated him and abused semantics to justify it by implying "he wanted to be the protagonist of this trilogy" when he only wanted to be Luke.
He didn't want to be Luke so much as he wanted them to get Luke right.
he wanted to get the gang back together in 1 movie, he wanted to be luke and provide us the old luke because we never got to meet the old luke, sadly enough we got this bull crap and i feel terrible for mark hamill he is such a great guy and talented actor. i hope he won't be depressed
Exactly! This director sucks he's rushing to cut off the classic characters! The old Luke in my vision was supposed to be similar Obi wan in the New Hope and at least be in the story til chapter 9 or further! He's one of the main heroes I thought it was a sequel but sometimes looks a reboot...
CvnDqnrU he is Luke, just not the hero. You can’t expect this character to be the same after all this time.
H M Obi Wan was.
Hamill wasn't asking to be the star of the film, he just wanted his character dealt with in an appropriate, believable, and respectful way.
Yes, I don't know if these filmmakers are completely stupid or just being dishonest.
@@brandonsmith9098 which is it for you: stupid? Or dishonest? Lmao
Seriously. They keep saying, "He's sad Luke isn't the star." or "He's sad Luke dies." when in fact he's upset the character is completely different.
@@TJ-ie9qo Bingo.
Yes. I was listening to that douchebag insinuate that Mark wanted to be the star of the show, not the Obi-wan chararacter. He just wanted to character of Luke to be treated with some respect
“Hes not the Luke now, He’s the obi wan”
I don’t recall seeing obi wan in ep4 being a grumpy old hermit refusing to speak to anyone. He was full of hope and optimism, literally forcing Luke to become a Jedi. Luke here is clearly the opposite of that. The people at Disney that had power in this film were NOT fans nore cared about George’s starwars
same here, I never remember obi wan being a grumpy old man.
He is neither Luke nor Obi Wan; he is Jake Skywalker.
While agree mostly, he agrees to train Rey literally 20 minutes into the movie.
I'm glad this was left in the documentary.
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I had a feeling you would comment on this video😅.This video actually breaks my heart and describes how this didn’t only effect us as fans, but also the original cast. Really is a terrible thing, Luke deserved so much more...
This video, still to this day keeps tearing my heart. It's just so heart breaking to see my hero Luke, depressed and sad, and in the end even crying :( I just can't watch this, its too much for me
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It's sad that they misunderstand both him and Luke so much. He isn't trying to be the protagonist, he's trying to be Luke
Ya, they had this weird thing going on in the second movie where no one else but rey had a time to shine. Everyone’s moment got cut short or succumb to being a plot device
It's subversion for the sake of subversion and thinking it's avant garde. Void of logic. No respect for the past. Intentionally destructive. Some major miscalculations and incompetence happened all around, especially above Rian Johnson's level. Someone hired and approved this script, paid the bills, gave him the go-ahead. Reboot the trilogy. And do it soon.
Gold Fishy It’s absolutely not subversion for the sake of it. It’s about Rian’s take on how these people are PEOPLE. This is why Luke’s life has worn him down. And Rian’s realisation that JJ had no answers and no plan, so let’s get rid of the one-dimensional Snoke and let’s focus on the real meaty piece: Adam Driver. Then let’s offer a surprising and tragic answer to the mystery of Rey’s parents by revealing they’re just junkies who sold their daughter off. And he wanted to move on from the old cast and genuinely focus on the new stuff, rather than rely on endless callbacks. There’s a difference between ‘respect’ to past and ‘clinging to the past’. Every choice he made was quite logical. These choices may not be escapist and ‘Star Wars’ enough for the fans but that just means he was the wrong man for the job, not that he’s bad at what he does necessarily.
And given the fact that he’s just released an excellent, intricately plotted and perfectly executed mystery film, it’s fair to say he knows exactly what he’s doing.
@@sahirkhan2835 Part of being a good director is knowing your genre, understanding your audience, and respecting the heritage if it's a sequel. Three areas Rian failed to accomplish. Yes, he's a great director otherwise. Brick is fantastic. Also, characters are not PEOPLE. They are representations of reality, not reality itself. There is a necessary economy to film-making and it needs to function on many levels simultaneously. Rian created an illogical story heavy on social commentary and not much else.
@@sahirkhan2835 Success in a film doesn't validate another. M. Night S. (Don't wanna spell that last name lol) made tons of great movies but he also made The Last Airbender. Just because someone is capable of making a good movie doesn't mean they aren't capable of making a bad one. And subversions don't necessarily mean that they fix problems of unoriginality. In fact Rian creates even more problems by adding these subversions. Luke tosses his father's lightsaber. This is his FATHER'S LIGHTSABER. The man was willing to due for his father but once he sees it he tosses it. Rey's parents being nobody's would've been a wonderful subversion if Rey ever had to work for her power. It would've solidified that the power she has, she has earned, except in reality her character is so bland and poorly written that she doesn't deserve or earn any of the power she has
Rian's job should've been carrying the story over from Force Awakens. If you remember, Vader never really was around for a New Hope. Sure he was the main antagonist but he was never really built upon other than the fact that he's evil, he was once good, and he's powerful. So Snoke's lack of character in ep7 is totally understandable. Rian didn't kill Snoke because he was one dimensional. He killed him because he didn't want to write anything clever for him and wanted to surprise the crowd. That's something he loves doing, and though I haven't watched Knives Out, apparently it's doing well and good for him. JJ gave him the setup (as unoriginal as it was) and what Rian should've done was take the time to develop the Luke-Rey relationship as well as the Kylo Snoke relationship. This would certainly be something new because we've rarely seen dark side training and it would've been a perfect way to build all 4 characters.
People don't want endless callbacks but people also want what they love to be respected. Perhaps the largest mistake Rian made was fucking with Luke. For some reason Rian has this perception of Luke that he's a god and that we the audience needs to know that he's only human. Except the audience has known that he's just human ever since the beginning of Star Wars! Luke fails and fails and fails all throughout the OT and we love him because he doesn't let anything keep him down. He somehow always finds the power within himself to do what's right even if it means that he dies. That's why we all fell in love with Luke. Not because he was a hero, but because he was someone we could relate to. We all stumble and fall in our path and Luke inspired the same feeling within ourselves. We should pick ourselves back up and keep going.
Now something really funny though is that Rian preaches at how we need to shit on Luke to make him "realistic" but Rey has barely had any sort of trials in her life, yet she's the strongest Jedi in history for some dumb reason. What exactly has she failed at? What hardships have shaped her into a better person? How has her character grown throughout the series? Why should we feel excited for her? Why should we feel sad for her? We never get these questions answered because Rey is a marysue. There's no depth, just power.
"in this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker, he's Obi"
Wrong. He's Luke Skywalker. Hamill understood that and they patronised him. Don't worry we got you, Hamill. You're a legend for being so professional.
I think he was saying that, Luke Skywalker isn't the protagonist of this trilogy, he's the mentor. And I think Mark understood that, and we all wanted to see that... but that's not what they did with the character haha
He also isn’t even like Obi-Wan in this film, Kenobi was for training Luke and even convinced Yoda to train him in Empire. Both were hermits, but they weren’t even portrayed similarly.
Wrong. He's Jake Skywalker.
It shows how much of a class act Mark hamill is that even though he doesn’t agree with the script, he still did his best and played his part to the best of his ability
All for the cheque. He is great and he supposed to be the hero
He sold out. They could MAKE him do it. If he had have held out, there would be another hope
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He was under contract obligation though..
@@asaeltorres7340 people always seems to miss that part
@@canelaswift952 under contract you would have done the same thing u fool
Look at his face. Don't tell me he didn't hate this movie.
Edit: apperently Mark wishes people didn't use him as a bludgeon against the movie. I respect that, he didn't want to be the one who divided the fanbase. I just hope he understands why so many people saw him as the voice they didn't have.
@Henry Louis21 he does. lucasfilm told him to shut up. once these films are done and he is no longer under their contract he will tell us how much he hated it again
dude he didn't agree with anything they did with his character. he criticised the film time and time again. you can tell he can't stand Rian Johnson and that he also had some issues with JJ. Just because you like the last jedi doesn't mean Hamill did. Are you gonna tell me Alec Guinness loved the originals? What about Harrison Ford? I'm not stubborn, Hamill was very vocal for months about his views on TLJ, he tried to tone it down a lot there is obviously a lot more he wanted to say but tried not to be disrespectful. Eventually he realised, with the help of Kennedy or Iger or someone that he can't keep talking negative about TLJ. So he shut up like a good professional. Almost everything Luke did in that movie was out of character, Hamill knew that and didn't like it. Tom Kane who has voiced various characters in Star Wars spoke out against The Last Jedi at celebration this year, criticising the Holdo character and the fact they killed off Admiral Ackbar. Hamill did not agree with the direction the new trilogy, especially TLJ has gone in, he was vocal about it for months. There are full interviews available online in text, video and audio. Hamill started to praise TLJ after it came out because he had to. You are the one living in a fantasy world where Hamill is probably your idol but TLJ is your favourite film and it pains you to see him disagree with you. And if Hamill somehow magically changed his mind and looooooooved the movie, means next to nothing. It split the fanbase, people who hated the prequels worship them now. Disney and Lucasfilm effed up. Whether you liked the movie or not you have to be able to admit that
How about Mark Hamill crying at the end. I know actors get them selves to cry for a scene but it seems he felt genuine remorse over his character and the production. He didn’t have context when he made the scene all he could do was conjure up how he was feeling about everything.
I hated that movie, the storyline totally fucking blows
@@aserr5660 that moment was heartbreaking, even the people in the set came down to see him if he was okay.
Disgusting. The guy at 1:04 makes it seem like Mark is jealous about not being the main character and therefore disagrees with the script. Mark doesn’t think he should be the main character, he just knows that the character he’s playing should be the Luke Skywalker we know.
Agreed
I fundamentally Agree with you
i agree, in no way did it sound like he was pushing for the protagonist role, it sounded more like he wanted what his character would be from the original triligy only aged to thepoint where he has to be the one to teach what he learned and practiced. the idea that anyone can be redeemed if they are willing to do what is right.
I disagree. The guy just wanted to elaborate that luke's part is akin to that of obi-wan. The old instructor archetype. Nothing more.
I also believe that hammil has come back on his words regarding the last jedi. I'd take that into account when passing judgement.
Gertjan Van den Broek you think hamill is coming back from what he thought about the last Jedi? Are you kidding? It literally ruined the whole new trilogy. Maybe if the second movie had meaning instead of just killing off the best characters and most loved ones then the whole trilogy and the third movie would have been better. They sound so smug these writers because they made the story and they know mark hates them for what they have done. “It’s the realization that Luke isn’t Luke”... why the fuck wouldn’t Luke be the Luke we know? Rian Johnson wanted to subvert expectations because he hates Star Wars.
"It's not my character to decide, it belongs to other people, they just rent it out to me."
It's heartbreaking to see him break to the point he felt that way about Luke. Even if he's not in charge on how Luke was written, he's the one who brings that character to life. He at least, deserved to be heard for his opinions. After all, Mark Hamill is probably the last person on Earth that wanted to see a Star Wars movie fails.
Based on one interview, Rian listened to his concerns "gave a pat, cookie and moved on".
That final behind the scenes shot of Hammil weeping and unable to rise on his own contains more raw emotion than anything portrayed in the entirety of the franchise, old or new. Heartbreaking!
Was he actually unable to get up? That’s crazy bro
@@cheezeebutter452 I would totally understand if he couldn't get up and was lamenting the loss of a character that gave hope to generations, as Rian Johnson squatted over the corpse of Luke Skywalker and squeezed out a bantha sized dump onto it.
It is even more sad given what scene this is. It's Luke seeing his school, his legacy being burned to the ground. You (And probs Hammil) can see this as Rian destroying the Legacy of Luke here...
It wasn’t just me. But it hurt watching that. That last image of Mark on his Knees, it is heartbreaking.
It was terrible!
Luke Skywalker unacceptable!
There was actually multiple interviews after the film was completed and released where Mark says that he regrets what he said about Rian's vision and he was totally wrong and that it worked out better then he could have imagined
@UrbanExplorer1000 Yet they were totally fine with him in the documentary for promoting the film! Saying that he thinks it was badly handled, they easily could have edited it out and they didnt. I genuinely believe Mark has more integrity then you think
Oisin D On one hand I want to agree with you, but on the other hand...Mark not liking it and sharing the sentiments of many unhappy fans, only to suddenly have a change of heart, seems way too...convenient, and beneficial for Disney. It seems equally likely to me that Disney kept his negative opinions because they knew they could just tell him to say positive things later. Ultimately I don’t really know. But the timing is too questionable to ignore.
“He’s not the Luke skywalker of this trilogy.” What? Do they not understand that this is the problem with the movie?! It’s okay if he’s not the main character or hero but he can still be Luke skywalker
This is the problem with seeing characters as simply tools to tell a story, instead of stories as a tool to present characters' journeys.
It's the thing that divides those of us who care about the fable and those who care about political messages in art.
They mean it as - he is now the mentor to Kylo and Rey... He is no longer the trainee that Luke was in the originals, but now the master with his own pupils (like Obi Wan was in the originals).
They're talking as if Luke was just an ARCHETYPE. Luke was a well developed character, with strengths and weaknesses. Rey is an archetype (the Mary Sue).
I get that but he didn't even do as much as Obi-Wan in the OT. He failed once, renounced the force, refused to train Rey, and then died. That character would be interesting in a story but my thing is that since it just so happens to be Luke Skywalker it seems almost disrespectful or lazy
hiomation obiwan is by far a better character
1:05 Thats so unfair. The way he says it, its like Mark is an egoistic little kid that wants his character to be the protagonist, just because he is in the movie. Its pretty obvious the only thing Mark wanted was to have a well written story for his character, instead of this dumpster we got from Rian
“He’s not Luke Skywalker he’s Obi”...that right there sums up why this movie failed. They don’t stay true to their characters.
And that they don't even understand said characters. Obi Wan wasn't at all the way Luke is portrayed in Last Jedi. Luke could've been supporting cast while still being true to his character.
Mark is wrong. Luke is his character. It's not a superhero role, he's not borrowing anything. He's been the one and only Luke Skywalker since day one.
But this isnt is universe.
I full heartedly agree. I believe he's earned his right to have a say in the larger picture of his character.
It's sad hear what Mark says! He has totally the right to own something on how Luke is been portrayed! If George was the head of the saga again... It would be different! This director and that woman sucks in star wars
Hamill always have stupid ideas. Like Luke evil twin ect... He is not storyteller.
@@FordzyS No one is suggesting Mark write the screen play, just saying he should have input. Plus, the evil twin clone has already been done in Star Wars Legends.
“If it’s bad then it’s also his fault” well Mark is right about that one
Caynon Artibee i love how frank he was about it too
Amazing foresight (or common
sense?)
shimshimma well it’s because of TLJ that most are seeing ROS as even worse than so. They had to explain everything that was nothing that happened in episode 8. This franchise is at the Hobbes and Shaw of the Fast and Furious stage where you go for the pew pews and say fuck you to the story
rjtomato How is it because of TLJ that ROS is a mess? It’s a mess because JJ didn’t have any answers, he just knew he didn’t like Rian’s. And he wasn’t going to build on them. Rian didn’t do anything to undo JJ’s work, he just went a different way with it. But JJ spent most of ROS actively undoing Rian’s work instead of picking up the pieces and telling a good story. And he desperately brought back to Emperor to paper over the cracks. No competent director does any of this. ROS is entirely JJ’s fault.
Sahir Khan Lets just be clear, I’m referring to the writing not the directing as which your comment remarks. The writing in which at the top of my head JJ did episode 9, Rian did 8 and I’m pretty sure (forgot his name) the writer of two of the three original trilogy movies.
I want to also make it a fact, not an opinion, that Rian DID undo the story telling episode 7 set up. There’s an endless list of story points that I can say but I’ll start with two KEY story arcs that obliterate your statement of ROS being its own fault “entirely”
The first is Snoke. Killed him with no character development at all. His death is not impactful. The more time a character has on screen the more invested you will be of what becomes of them.
The second is Luke fucking SkyWalker. Why in the first movie it was written as if Luke went into HIDING but if there is an emergency here’s a MAP TO FIND ME if you need me. TLJ: “Luke, I need you.” “No, I don’t want to be FOUND!” Not even going to explain that character flaw, but mention that I’m pretty sure a CHARACTER DEATH can greatly affect how you write Episode 9.
So yes it is a mere fact that the faults of Rise of Skywalker is in fault because of The Last Jedi.
The fact that Mark Hamill actually devoted himself to realize Rian’s vision is truly amazing. He keeps it very professional. It does, however, break my heart what he said about Luke not being his character and Luke being “rented out” to him. I am not a fan of TLJ and I’ll always watch the original trilogy over the sequel trilogy (and the prequel trilogy).
You have to admire Mark’s professionalism.
“If it’s terrible, it’s his fault.”
Pillole di Fantascienza lmao
Pillole di Fantascienza u are crazy
He's crazy because he has his own opinion? More like you're crazy
@@pilloledifantascienza7304 yep, let the delusional retards hate on one of the best written sw stories to date, history we'll show who was right
@@pilloledifantascienza7304 ok oggi in Spagna si festeggia il pesce d'aprile (inocentes), spero tu sia sarcastico!
Mark Hamill is such a bad ass.
Kevin Hagler so true lad
And rian is a plain ass
yeah hes such a badass for taking the paycheck and then complaining
Kevin Hagler Hamil is an icon as is Luke Skywalker and I hated watching that crappy movie and this director and writer who destroyed his character.
anime is for losers Mark Hamill showed up every day on set, acted his ass off and was cordial. He is allowed to have whatever opinions he wants because frankly after 40 years I trust him to know the part of Luke. Despite Mark being really self deprecating he is actually a very intelligent well versed character actor. The guy knows what he is talking about
Hamill looking at Johnson like “This man is insane. Please help me. Anyone.”
Luke Skywalker didn't need to be the main character of the new trilogy, but I really wanted him to be the Luke I grew up watching. The dude could have played a role like Gandalf, powerful but plays a position suited for his character. My father watched the OG Trilogy as a child, and when I was growing up, the prequels were coming out. But he made sure I watched the Originals, and Luke Skywalker quickly became my favorite hero. My father passed away before Disney bought Lucasfilm and The Force Awakens. Star Wars was special to him. It was something that made him feel like a kid again whenever we'd talk about it.
Now that dark humor of me just has to say, I'm glad he is gone, so he didn't see what had happened to his favorite hero. It's a damn shame for sure. After the last Jedi, I was so sad for Mark Hamill. I knew going into the movie that something was wrong based on his interviews beforehand. But I held optimism, but we all know how that turned out. It's just...a damn shame...
"In this trilogy he's not Luke Skywalker. He's Obi"
Just shows how much they Fundamentally misunderstand Luke, Obi Wan, and the franchise. Obi Wan didn't abandon anyone or his Jedi beliefs. He stayed loyal to the Jedi and to Luke for years, watching, protecting. And later teaching.
Whereas TLJ Luke abandoned his friends, family, and the Jedi ways.
It shows how superficial they view the franchise. “Luke is old, and alone. Obi Wan was old and alone. They are so similar. We are great writers”. There’s nothing similar to the depiction of these characters. Their motivations are polar opposites. Obi Wan was selfless. Luke was selfish.
theOmnos very telling of their wide open lack of creativity, and the fact that everything they do is a new spin or retread of something else that’s not only been done before, but has been done in star wars lol
@@0derpred0 but they can't even do that properly... They fundamentally misunderstood what the hell each character was about, the motivations and the actual meaning of their actions.
Disney think they can make this dark saga into some quirky, funny, and friendly movie. Disney THIS ISNT AN AVENGERS MOVIE.
Exactly it was terrible writing....
I think when he said he is Obi, it was more like his role as a side character in the movie but i could be wrong, doesn't matter anyway, the sequels are not canon in my head and i've disliked them since TFA (which is the only one i watched of them)
Luke is not rude.
No matter what happened to him.
He would not ever throw that lightsaber like that.
He purposely throws his lightsaber on Return Of the Jedi, so... he did that. And in the originals he complains a lot, also he oftens don't find himself capable of doing what he´s supposed to do. Luke is also a human being, we aren´t always optimistic. There needs to be downs to go up.
Except during that scene in The Last Jedi, where he’s throws the lightsaber exactly like that
@@greenteecolter like what?
Nacho Casal and he almost killed vader. Which is something people kinda forget when he does the same with ben; he was always impulsive, and not a PERFECT human being that cannot make mistakes just because of the events of the ot. Its fucking stupid. They wanted a “jesus christ” out of him forever, and couldn’t accept grief and regret.
Nacho Casal he throws the lightsaber down in ROTJ because he refuses to kill his father. Jesus Christ, man. LOL! Don’t try to make up shit for your own narrative
The lightsaber toss is a good metaphor for what Rian did to the franchise.
When he says “it’s not my character to decide.” breaks my heart.
Poor Mark. :(
Poor us
He looked pissed when he tossed that saber. Pissed at how they shit on Jake Shamewalker.
This honestly made me sad...
His arc in this movie was great.
Ofer Mizrahi We agree to disagree. I thought his arc was absolutely terrible. Before you respond, I just want to state I'm not looking for a back and forth, all reasons for both opinions have already been laid out. You have your reasons and I my own, let's just leave it at that.
He’s a true professional going through with that.
If he didnt went through he would have got sued for a lot of cash. Poor mark
EXACTLY TO BOTH YOUR PTS! BOY ARE OTHER PPL CLUELESS OUT HERE OR WHAT? SMH!
@@mr.smiley4268 Kam down
@@MegaFrance69 He should have kept his integrity and not gone through with these movies. But I guess when the price is right...
@@matthewp5472 To be completely honest, I bet he learned how poorly the movie would be AFTER he signed his contract
I still can’t believe they actually released this film. When I first saw it I thought I was dreaming. They literally killed off one of the best
I’m shocked that this was even released to the public.
"If it's terrible it's also his fault." Yes indeed
It was good though. ;)
i'd rather record myself taking a shit in my hand and throwing it at my mum for 2 hours than watch tlj again.
the cartoonist or maybe he has solutions
gilly brahh 😂😂😂
and it turned out to be terrible
Mark Hamill: "I shouldn't... it's not the jedi way"
Rian Johnson: "Dew it"
Very fitting and hilarious.
I feel so bad for Mark... it's like he could feel the rift in the fan base forming even as he was making the movie
Geert Matthys He doesn't deserve that line
"UNLIMITED CRITICISM!"
Kathleen Kennedy: " Fucking Starwars is a power only one(Lucas) has achieved but if we work together I am sure we can discover the secret"
Rian Johnson : " I will do wathever you ask. I pledge myself to your teachings"
This is the central reason we were all so upset. Mark is a treasure. He understands Luke. J.J. and Rian are total hacks for what they did on this trilogy.
Nooo... mark.. you ARE that character. You are luke Skywalker to so many people and thatll never change.
They cannot replace who you were and still are, the real fans of you and the star wars franchise will always remember who you were and who Skywalker was. Dont lose hope, you provided it
Ruin Johnson: " I did not assassinate his character, it's not true, it's bantha fodder, I did not ruin his arc, I did NOT. Oh hi Mark."
OMG slow clap ha ha. Nice.
Best comment.
Lawrence Sensei this is greatness.
At least Tommy didn’t actually hit Lisa... Ruin Johnson actually ruined Star Wars. He would be hung if this were the 1800s. He tarnished a national treasure.
Best comment of all time
I'm just gonna pretend that the new trilogy doesn't exist
I just look at it as a parody or something
I think a lot of people are doing this, including me
Yup me too
Kirby C when the people who make star wars movies grew up watching and playing it, it is in fact fan fiction
Agreed with you, Kirby.
I'm so glad Mark got his moment in the Mandalorian. The sequels will never be canon in my mind.
Everyone is with you Mark, years later we still hurt just like you. Rian Johnson is an Ignorant human beeing doing so wrong to a character so may of us loved and respected... cant believe someone let him do it.
Obi Wan: “chancellor Kennedy is evil.”
Rian Johnson: “from my point of view the fandom is evil”
Obi Wan: “ well then you are lost!”
"You were my brother Rian Johnson, I loved you!" said nobody.
The fandom is evil though
Handsome Jack Yes, but a NECESSARY EVIL thanks to CLUELESS DISNEY SHILLS❣️ THE VAMPIRE 🐭 brung this 💩 down on itself, & NOW DESERVES EVERYTHING NEGATIVE IT HAS COMING! THEY THINK THEY OWN THE 🌍 !
@@mr.smiley4268 making death threats to the actors isn't justified just because you don't like the direction of the film's. They ruined that Anakin kids life
You win
“It’s not my character to decide. It just belongs to other people that rented it out to me”. Luke will always be YOUR character. You never rented him. You’re the one and only Luke Skywalker, Mark Hamill.
Exactly! He’s the only reason I entertain this terrible movie, out of respect for Him and Luke Skywalker.
An actor isn’t a writer or a director, they are good at portraying emotions but they should not choose them.
if he threatened to walk off, I think they would have worked with him.
I think he's talking about how George Lucas created his character... And how the new directors just disregarded that character and created a new luke... That it's not the new directors decision on how mark should act..
@@manuelreyesjr.8630, you do realise that Lucas actually agrees with the direction Luke's Character was taken in. He originally planned for that to happen. And as for it 'not being their business into how mark should act' Rian Johnson was the DIRECTOR, Mark's job is to help him deliver his vision, not the actor's vision. If Luke wasn't how he was in TLJ he would have been either a boring ass stonefaced serious devoted Jedi like prequel jedis, or the same whiny impatient brat that he was in the original Trilogy, it would have been a yawnfest. In fact RoS was actually the impact of all the fans complaining and it pretty much became a fanfiction i could find on reddit.
I don’t think that last part was acting…
I think that was him just letting his emotions out
1:15 “He’s Obi”
Even George Lucas treated Obi Wan with more respect than these people treated Luke
what do you mean "even George Lucas treated Obi Wan with respect"?
Complete waste of a great actor and character.
Matt Mclaughlin exactly
Matt Mclaughlin yep
I wanted a Rey and Luke buddy team up.
Apparently the writers found Luke was way too OP whenever they added him in the original Episode 7 script Lucas worked on before the sale to Disney.
You’re an absolute clown
@jack larrabee
who?
I hate Disney. I kinda wished the new movies were never made. I fine with just the ones George made.
I hate Lucasfilm. From how Iger had come after Kennedy after the films release....I do not think he was even aware of what was going on. He generally lets Pixar, Marvel, etc do their thing, because they have always done it right. But the realization of what this film did to the franchise (yes probably from a monetary standpoint) HE WAS FURIOUS with how the fan reaction was, and what the film did to fans. He understands the premise of known characters, and how they should be treated in future installments on film.
Mark was completely flipped from what HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
Carrie it is now being rumored wound up in her "COMA" through most the movie because of her disagreements with not only Marks character, but hers as well. THAT WAS NOT THE LEAH WE KNOW. THAT WAS NOT THE LUKE WE KNOW. Johnson and Kennedy destroyed the franchise and I am telling you the only reason Kennedy got renewed was because you do not oust a CEO in the middle of a corporate purchase (FOX). This was and is her last renewal I assure you. Being a animation from Disney fan for 35 + years.....the way it went out about her renewal and how Disney does shit....this IS her final renewal.
Same dude same
They're not cannon
I’m happy with Star Wars being a 6 film saga. It has a great beginning, middle and end.
@@bahamutskingdom *Why do you hate Lucasfilm? That's George Lucas's company - do you mean you hate **_DISNEY?_*
Mark people will always remember , that the star wars fans were always with you. You always had the force of the people with you.
Mark, he was your character, and it’s sad what they forced you to do to him in that film.
Look at his body language when he says "it's not my character to decide... It's other people." Head low, eyes staring down. That says a LOT.
Joseph Trueblood i feel so sorry for Mark in this, because he feels what we feel, total loss of a golden opportunity.
Joseph Trueblood His body language is what mine was right before I quit my job. He looks like he was probably under a huge amount of anxiety. He knows he could do better and he is constantly watching people tear something valuable to him apart but he has to do it. I'd be surprised if he ever came back as a ghost (unless he already had signed on to do it)
Sounds like something he heard from someone and he’s repeating it.
“If it’s terrible it’s also his fault” loooool couldn’t be said better
"He is the Obi wan"
Uhhh *No*
Obi wan Lost Everything(All of those at the Temple, The Love of His Life, His Master, The Closest one he had to a Brother, The Wife of Said Brother and Was Forced into hiding due to Order 66 and He Knows the Clones Didn't want to do that But were Forced to) and Yet he Kept the Code, Got Wiser and Actually had a Purpose which is Protect Luke at all Costs and then Train him
The Luke of the Sequel Trilogy Wanted to die, abandoned his Friends and Family, Almost Killed his own Nephew in his Sleep (Which Doesn't make sense as Luke would never do that. The one who saw light in VADER would see it in a Young Conflicted Boy) and Went to hiding for So long and When Called Back he Just Ignores it all
Conclusion:
Luke was not Himself Nor he was the "Obi wan of this Trilogy".
He was someone Completely Different and We all hate that
If Luke is obi, he doesn’t hide from everyone. He keeps going and faces his fears that’s what a Jedi does they never give up
"He's not Luke Skywalker, he's Obi."
Screw you, dude. Don't insult Obi-Wan like that. This version of Luke isn't worth the dirt on old Ben's boots.
Maybe he has seen the script for the Disney Obi-wan spin off.
Obi and the old Luke are nothing alike. Obi, when asked to help, decided to help while also teaching Luke the way of the force. Luke just mopped around waiting to die.
Chill bitch
Luke did exactly what obi wan would do. The only reason he didn’t kill anakin was because that was his brother. But yet he still pressured Luke to kill Vader even though it was his father. Luke attempted to kill ben because he wouldn’t be able to go through seeing his nephew become another anakin.
@@JarJarAbrams This aged like the finest wine available.
Jesus christ Disney only gets worse.
“If it’s terrible it’s also his fault”.
Pure genius because he knew it would be 🤣🤣🤣
Mad respect to Mark. Though he disagreed he didn’t make a huge fuss and still brought his A game. But dang I still feel bad for him. At least he got to feel like he was playing Luke again in mando.
When they alter the deal, and you just pray they don't alter it further.
Luke should be the gandalf of the trilogy, instead walter matthau from grumply old men.
ian wong Beautifully put
GREAT COMMENT❣️
ahahaha "im not rappaport!"
That's an awesome point, a main character in a more cerebral fashion, always there but less about the action and more about helping out. Ugh it pai a me that this never happened.
“Look how they massacred my boy” 😥
Lol
What a trooper. I wish more fans could share his mindset, you can be critical of something and still behave like a human being. Mark Hamill is a treasure and we don't deserve him.
“He thought he was going to be the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy...” Um, yeah! Because that’s the character he plays! Luke didn’t need to be the main hero. He just still needed to be Luke. Thankfully 8 wasn’t the end.
The pushback against Hamill in this clip is softly accusing him of having a big ego and wanting to dominate the new trilogy. I don't get that sense from Mark's public statements at all. Yes, he wanted a reunion with Carrie and Harrison, and he definitely wanted a bigger slice of the action. For God's sake, he was only on-screen for 30 seconds in TFA. Could anyone blame him for being disappointed in that? I think Mark was very clear-eyed about the fact this was not his trilogy. He just wanted to be the same Luke he was in the first trilogy, and he also wanted to be the wise mentor. But, JJ and Rian denied him on both. This Luke was completely unrecognizable. At least Obi-Wan tagged along through much of ANH and played a wise advisory role. Mark didn't even get to do that! So, Rian and that other guy's comments about Mark were just nonsense. The new trilogy shows contempt for elders rather than respect. Literally the film's vision is that the best thing the old guard can do is die and let the young ones "who already know everything they need to (paraphrasing Yoda in TLJ)" get on with it. Pffffft!
Also he has been very friendly and supportive of Daisy Ridley
He understood Star Wars, and understood the fans...
Much like Ryan Reynolds in wolverine origins and Deadpool...
To go against him is to go against who he is the ambassador of, which is the fans
I wouldn't blame JJ. I would say JJ definitely built up Luke a lot in TFA that made us excited to see him at the end and more importantly what happened to him. Why he left behind a map. How powerful he is etc. Even though Luke didnt have a lot of screen time, he had a lot of mystical presence. Ofc Rian reversed direction and gave him lots of screen time but a bad excuse for why luke disappeared and basically nulled the hype. The only good thing Rian did was make Luke a mentor and mention the fall of the jedi. And at least make Luke die in front of twin suns. Even with RoS JJ is giving Luke screentime. Tbh JJ really should have stayed on to at least make the story cohesive. Ideally Trevarrow as he and mark hamill agreed the most on Luke's character
@@Megadog33 It was George Lucas's idea to make Luke a depressed hermit and an unwillingly teacher of a young woman. That was one of the few things that survived the gutting of his story treatments for a sequel trilogy.
Not saying it was a good decision. But JJ is not to blame on this one. Now Rian probably took that concept a few steps too far though.
For the next movies we just need a completely new cast set in a distant time in the future or past. Stop tampering with Lucas' vision of the Jedi in Anakin's arc. Disney needs to form their own original arc to unite the fanbase behind something truly new. Like The Mandalorian. None of the OT characters present to soak up all the attention.
As fans that’s what we could not wait for the old Luke but we got a massive slap 👋 in
The face 😊😊😊
This is depressing me. You can see how upset Mark is here. Mark deserved better, Luke deserved better... the fucking Star Wars fandom deserved better. My love for Star Wars was hit by a bullet with this movie.
ya its so full of strange and bizarre creative choices that dont make sense and its depressing because there isnt much we can do about it except move on
I feel so bad for Mark. He had already signed a contract so he had no choice but to do what Rian said, even though he knew it would completely destroy the character. He was in a hopeless situation.
Amazing. Everything you just said was right.
I hate that emo Luke bs
That look of disbelief on Hamills face in the very beginning talking to Ryan is horrific The fact that they did this to Luke...
Seeing marks voice break at 0:32 and him breaking down at 2:49 makes me so sad
What Rian Johnson did with the character and the film makes me feel sick.
Same here. It disgusts me.
Jesus Christ after all this Rian still doesn't get it, he acts as if Mark is the one having a hard time understanding
thecharlessmith (instagram) it’s Rian’s movie, I don’t get how you don’t understand that.
@@TreyJCooper sure its ruins movie. But it's not a star wars movie
Actually Mark is one who doesn't understand. But it's not the first time. He didn’t agree what George Lucas did with Luke in ROTJ.
Joe Kerr
Mark understands what fans want.
Ruin only knows his own version and ignores the fans.
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f
Really? I'm a fan and I loved Luke in TLJ. It's was challenging at first, but I love it.
And if Mark knows what fans want, then how come he disagreed with George on ROTJ? And fans love that!
I don’t care what anyone says, call me any slanderous name in the book. Luke is and always will be a symbol of hope and nobody can take that away. No matter how terribly written his character is.
Yeah
That’s a character that defined his career. It’s a character that meant a lot to him. They pretty much just destroyed his world. I can’t say I really blame him. Luke Skywalker was never supposed to lose hope. That’s what Mark believed. That’s the reality he lived. I can’t imagine how he must’ve felt filming this.
Mark was the one person in all of Star Wars that cared about his character, now Luke's dead and had his grave shat on by Disney, Star Wars is no longer a epic, it's a Greek tragedy.
+johnskywalkers11
Colin?
johnskywalkers11 Snoke doesn't get enough attention, they did his character DIRTY. He had the potential to be a great villain but they humiliated him without even building him up.
For this crap to be a 'Greek tragedy' would imply there is culture and emotion behind it. NuWars utterly lacks those things, and more. I can barely express myself this shit makes me so mad, Kennedy , JJ, Iger, the lot should cook in hell for eternity for their shameless greed and cynicism.
Petition to never let Rian Johnson touch a Star Wars movie again
Kevin Grenouiller There was one. The disney backed media put out that it was only signed by alt right, racist, misogynist maniacs
fun off or the fans that had high expectations for their beloved franchise....
This guy gets it.
More like to never touch a movie again ever
I saw a screen trailer for Jedi... free. Decided after seeing it, not to go to theater and give them my money.
Saw a screen trailer of Avengers... free. Still went to theater to give them my money.
*You don’t have to tell me how much "you" don't like the Avengers. My point is I support what i like and what i want to see more of.
I, personally, was beyond disappointed with Jedi.
I’m almost scared of what they're going to do to Boba Fett.
Hamill at the end hiding his emotion under the hood really gets to me.
"Its not my character, it belongs to other people and they just rent it out to me" gold lmao
It's beyond Mark just being upset he isn't the star hero. The ultimate example of why Luke doesn't make much sense....
Luke tries to kill his nephew out of suspicion that he MAY turn to the dark side in the future because "Snoke got to him". And yet he believed his dad could be turned to light. A man whom he'd never met and had served Palpatine for decades.
Am I seriously supposed to believe Luke would kill his sister's kid on a hunch?
Tell'emSteveDave he doesn’t actually try to kil him.
That part was fine.
Everything else wasn’t.
I can understand what Rian wanted to do with Luke. Too bad it didn't really work.
The reason for Luke going into hiding is just too simple.
I don't know, make it so that Luke accidentally killed one of his students who happened to be Ben's friend. Not "thinking about killing him based on a vision".
he wasnt going to kill him in the real scene, one was a scene made up by ben and the other was the scene of the real events, told by luke. he contemplated on the idea but decided it was not right, however, ben saw him and decided to attack anyways and luke had to defend himself.
@@PoKeKidMPK1 But why would he even contemplate the idea? That's not something somebody would do who saw the good in the most hated and feared man in the galaxy.
@@bustanut5501 because thats not the order in how it works.
he saw ben do things that are equivalent to what anakin did. slaughter the other kids, burn down the place, slaughter his own parents, etc.
luke felt there was no other way he could stop him because it was too late. palpatine had already influenced him far too strongly.
you see him stop he sees its wrong. he doesnt want to do it but he knows if he doesnt then people will die. its either ben dies or everyone else does. anakin didnt turn to the good side in the movies until he realized he was going to lose luke and potentially leia as well. he already lost padme, realized he could not get her back and had enough of palpatine. either he was the one who should take action like he wanted and be the sith master, or go to the light side to end it all for the better.
ben was only starting, theres not much luke could do but defend himself. he never attacked ben, he decided not to. ben attacked him and if he didnt defend the attack he wouldve died by bens lightsaber. instead luke, leia and others lived but lukes apprentices and han, among others died at the hands of ben and the new imperial order.
Rian Johnson fundamentally, figuratively, and literally killed the character of Luke Skywalker. RIP.
Joe Valenitni I’m done with the whole thing and this from someone who was the ultimate Star Wars nerd, up ☝🏻 until a few months ago
😡😡🤬🤬
The last Jedi was amazing you have no knowledge of film. Go to hell.
That guy you thought you knew once opinions are like @ssholes everyone has one, some even stink!
Joe Valenitni
Shit. He accomplished something not even the Emperor could.
Chris Blaze hahaha yep
“He was always a symbol of hope and optimism” that reminds me of a certain tweet Mark Hamill put out recently... where he stated that he enjoyed playing Luke again back when he was still “a symbol of hope and optimism for the Galaxy”
Character Assassination in every way - !!
"This trilogy isn't about him. He's Obi Wan"
No. No he isn't because Obi's character wasn't written into the ground in the OT
Well, maybe from a certain point of view
@@TiberiusX And from a certain point of view, The Room was a good movie.
@@seen203 that's true. Some people love watching it, lol.
@@TiberiusX I'm one of them.
But it's still shit XD
You're right George did that in the prequels LOL
They couldn't even sugar coat it or sweep it under the rug in a heavily edited corporal Disney "everything went fine" production documentary as the fine folks at RLM would put it. That says alot.
Indeed because everyone would be saying this doc isn't authentic without adressing this issue. But notice that Kathleen Kennedy is completely absent from the dic, she's letting Rian Johnson taking all the responsibility for this failure.
JarJar Abrams _"notice that Kathleen Kennedy is completely absent from the dic"_
Suddenly it all makes sense. XD
For the episode 7 disk, KK was in it a lot. Suspicious.
Letting Rian Johnson take all the responsibility...and yet his trilogy is still slated to happen. SJW's once again proving they can't learn from or correct their mistakes; they can only double down and prove to their fellow SJW's how dedicated and woke they are. Or something like that, I tire of these idiots and their infiltration of all things good.
She is THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS.
Mark owns Luke
Nuff said
Man you can just hear the heart break in Mark Hamill's voice
"He thought he was going to be the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy..." Firstly, it's always nice when someone tells you what you're thinking. Secondly, the guy who played Luke is wrong for thinking he's playing Luke? Comon dude. Plus if Obi-Wan is what Rian was trying for, he missed by a mile. Obi-Wan was calm, cool and collected and was happy to teach Luke about the force, not some suicidal sad sack that gave up when the going got tough. Screw this crap.
Luke became the polar opposite of Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wanted to train Luke. Luke said he had things to do. Obi-Wan kept egging him on. Rian Johnson Luke is a Luke who can't wait to burn down the Jedi religion. Yet he came there to seek out the first Jedi temple, yet he came to the most "unfindable place" (what a word in a Star Wars movie!) to get away from it all? It's a total inconsistent mess.
Exactly, not even close to Obi Wan. He is Luke Skywalker morons. These idiots had no clue what they were doing or care what the consequences are. Their only concern was trying to make their own glory but I hope all involved in this movie never work on another Star Wars film or any film ever again.
I still can't believe he doesn't even leave the island. WTF? A force projection that kills him? It's so damn lame.
Radioactive Since 1990 insult on top of insult with Luke’s handling. It was a long agonizing spiral downwards for his character. Practically the whole movie he was in a rut. He gets to pretend to represent hope for less than 5 minutes then puffs into nothing. That says fuck hope rather than have hope.
Bulldog 44 Exactly! Could have just written his character out completely
Wow, I thought I was pissed and disappointed...poor Mark. At least he made it clear, "if it sucks, it's his fault"
Hamil didn't want Luke to be the star, he wanted Luke to be handled with respect. Not just used a tool to usher in new characters.
I never thought I would see a day when Luke skywalker, the man who believed his father still had good in him despite the fact that he wasn’t even a man anymore, would give up hope in his best friends and sisters son, his nephew, and try to murder him in cold blood in his sleep. One of my favorite characters in all of cinema and movies and tv shows and games, had been shat on and burned to ash. I can’t even begin to imagine how mark feels. You put your heart and soul into a character and learn every inch of what they will and won’t do. And then some dickhead comes along with little to no artistic integrity or heart and puts it into a hopeful optimistic person. Luke skywalker was more real then Jj Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, or rian Johnson will ever hope to be.
"I don't think he ever got to the point where he thought, 'Ok, I understand why Luke has to go at the end of this'. But he was _completely_ devoted to making what I had written the most powerful version it can possibly be onscreen."
You didn't deserve that devotion, Ruin. Nor did Kennedy. And you never will. It's embarrassing and heartbreaking, and not just because "things are different", but because of how fundamentally and comprehensively they've spat on every element of the legacy - up to and including Mark Hamill and Luke Skywalker.
"It's an interesting thing because, you know, you have your own view on how your character should be and how he should be utilized."
You know where you got that view, Mark?
GEORGE LUCAS.
We're not just talking about a character you played while detached from the creator - the character of Luke Skywalker was influenced by several talented writers and directors across the original trilogy, but it all came from George Lucas. So, your "view" in this instance, however non-confrontational or devoted, is the _only_ legitimate one because it was founded and reinforced by the man who created the character, the tale, and the universe of Star Wars.
Ruin and Kennedy have no authority over that.
It just goes to show just how amazing of a person and actor Mark is. He does understand that as an actor it's his job to do whatever the director tells him to do, even if you disagree with the director, your vision isn't the one being realized.
That said Rian is a sad hack of a human being, director and writer and should NEVER have been allowed to touch anything to do with Star Wars.
Nope Disney. Nope. Nope. Nope.
First of all, his name is Obi-Wan, not Obi. Also, the fact that Mark Hamill is literally on the ground bawling because of what a monstrosity this movie is, and everyone’s just watching, makes me feel like something needs to change in Lucasfilm.
I cant imagine how humiliating it must have been to have been forced to drive a beloved character into the ground or at least try to make the fall as good as possible knowing it's just a glorified bad end. Mark deserves better
The fact that they say Mark thought he would be the "Luke Skywalker of this trilogy" and the realization that he isn't, he's supposed to be "Ben", just goes to prove how little all these people making this trilogy know about the character of Luke Skywalker. Also how unfit they ever were to make successor films to Lucas's 6 film saga. #NOTMYLUKE #NOTMYCANON #NOTMYSTARWARS
And you sound like an even BIGGER dumbass and an idiotic fool bringing in Hillary and politics into a topic where none of that bullshit belongs. Good job.
mr reality The only one here that got "triggered" was you since you were the one to bitch about my comment in the first place. It's funny how you now cry about "freedom of speech" and yet, you're the one who had a problem with my comment to begin with which makes you an ironic hypocrite... You can piss off now... "buddy".
Hail Zahn!
they mean Ben in the sense that he's not the main character of this movie, not the character itself. You want that? go watch ANH and TFA if you like seeing nice old guys die as plot devices.
When Mark wept at then end of that shot, I bet these fools all thought he was weeping due to being overcome with emotion at that scene but in reality, he weeps at seeing the symbolic destruction of his character and all of George Lucas's creation going up in those flames at the hands of these incompetent bastards.
That's how I took it, too.
Modsleix 6, Hamill himself said after The Last Jedi, that he misunderstood what Johnson as going for, and seeing the way the character was portrayed pleased him.
Landmine Productions Please stop shilling. Even in an interview from just a couple of days ago Mark described how the film may please art critics but would make fans unhappy.
Haha! You are full of fucking shit mate...
Landmine Productions you're so naive, Disney Lucasfilm were very unhappy with how outspoken Hammil was, they felt like it manipulated people and was detrimental to TLJ's success. If you want to know Hammils real feelings about the movie watch his reaction after he saw the premiere. It speaks for itself.
And this is what you call a professional. He knows his character the best and isn't affraid to tell his opinion to the director and scriptwriter. But, that is not stopping him from doing what he is wanted to do by the best way he can.
Luke taught me about hope in 1980 in a theater when I was 8 years old. And now ... it breaks my heart to see him written like this. 💔
It’s sad but remember it’s just fiction. Also just remember he’s always about hope. Don’t let this movie ruin things for you. Just re-watch him when he was younger
Hello darkness my old friend
1:15 I can't believe this is actually how some people interpret my character. I was on Tatooine with a mission: protect Luke so he can save the galaxy and the Jedi. I know Luke and I taught him the ways of the Force. That guy in the Last Jedi is definitely not Luke Skywalker.
Obi-Wan Kenobi I don’t think that’s what he meant. He means Luke is Obi in the sense that he’s not the protagonist any more, but rather that he’s the mentor figure to the protagonist. They’re saying that Mark needs to accept that Luke isn’t the main character anymore.
MrLethalShots ofcourse we’ll never know but I for one feel the sequels could’ve worked much better if they started with Luke and Ben before he turned..
Same
@@MrLethalShots well no Mark Harmil really hates how Luke turned out he's not talking about being a main character he is talking on how he dislikes the change from Luke's optimism and hopefulness into the pessimistic hermit as he feels it's unearned
It goes into more depth on why he dislikes his character in a variety of interviews
@@mikevinna2096 it kinda ticks me off how they made it seem like Mark was some sort of glory hog and wanted to be the protagonist, that that was why he had a fundamental problem with Rian's portrayal. That could be farther from the case! Mark has come to be an amazing actor and voice actor. His problem with Rians portrayal was that it simply made no sense. It wldv been fine as a completely different character but there is no way Luke wld become the way Rian wrote him, especially not in the time frame given. Rian has no skill or talent for creating characters. He has a "tin ear" for motivation and the heros journey. One of the worst writers in history. But whats more diagraceful is how they dragged Mark through the mud simply because he (an actor) is a better writer than Rian. And Marks issues with TLJ is proof of that.
Now that's a true professional. He didn't like it at all personally, but when the job was there to do, he did it as if he loved it.
It seems like most of the actors disliked the last jedi. I'm not at all suprised.
They should of never brought the old actors back to just disgrace them on film
Yeah I'd rather they left them out and said "luke Leia and han got in a accident in the millennium falcon and all perished" and then forget about them then this abomination
yung turt the new movie is worse honestly but both completely raped the franchise. Not in a daddy issue whore kind of way but in a violated non daddy issue whore kind of way
the old actors got paid a shit load just to show up and shoot some fan films XD
@@GXtera well, also you have to look at the fact that Mark said he originally signed up for it because 1) at the time, Lucas was still involved before he sold it to Disney and 2) he said that since they got Harrison Ford to come back that spoke a lot to him. He really thought they'd do what was right for the characters. The money was a plus, sure. But I don't think that's all of why Mark was going to do it.
Harrison wanted Han to die. This was in the Disney AND Lucas version
George Lucas and the Original Plans Star Wars Episode 7 - Luke and Han Solo - Star Wars Analyzed
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"It's not my character to decide." I mean he is technically right and I applaud him for not having the ego that so many others do in saying that but I gotta tell you, this is the one time in history where I wish he did have the ego and did tell Rain to go F off with his crap. He ruined Luke.
Agreed.
Rian*
Ryan Kirk facts
This clip is gold against Rian and his abomination. But as a fan and human being its sad, tragic and downright horrible to watch Mark go through that.
I just find it beautiful that he died as a legion. He died as the full embodiment of a true hero. Love it!
what are you talking about?