i feel like barzal has a case to be on this list. I also think that sorokin is better than shesterkin and hellebuyck. Also, Barkov is very underrated, could easily be on this list
No way Barkov is not on this list... Guy is the main reason for Florida Panthers success lately. Pretty much the best 2 way forward in the league scores alot of points and he has such a big effect to his team on and off the ice...
@@jimmyhockey Bruh 19 Seasons PPG - 3 Cups - Lived up to everyone's expectations and still terrorizes nearly every young talent on this list. I am shocked at your perspective of swapping him out with J.T Miller. J.T Miller is not even in the same contention as Crosby, you cannot tie a few good seasons (Without the Cup) against someone who has been consistent for his entire career.
Good list. It's too bad Quinn Hughes will lose the Norris to Makar despite clearly being the better defender this season. Some awards are just popularity contests. Also have to say that Hughes is the franchise player on Vancouver, with all due respect to Pettersson. I believe that barring injury/trade, Hughes will go down as the best player in Canucks history.
If you do a "career sample" you should also include Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Kane, Kopitar, etc. Few of the players you listed will even come close to them in terms of stats. If your list is based on the last two seasons or so, I partially agree.
You could say it’s because I’m a preds fan or I’m not looking at the bigger picture but not including Forsberg is questionable I feel like. He has 89 points in 79 games and the preds would not be where they are without him.
I don’t think forsberg is a bad player but definitely not a good enough player to be mentioned in this list. Players like Roope Hintz, Jack Eichel, and Matthew Barzal are all around better players than Forsberg and those three didn’t get a whiff of this list.
No crosby is absolutely hilarious lol…but you also said if toronto could go deep into the playoffs. This is a pretty poor list but it’s your opinion so can’t get mad 👍🏻
hellebuyck is better than sherterkin bc shesterkin gives 10 times more rebounds than hellebuyck. Shesterkin would be by far the best goalie if he knew how to shut down offenses by keeping the pucks on initial shots, which hellebuyck does way better.
Kuch is actually underrated, he's the second best player in the league for me behind mcdavid, idk if that's crazy to say. I'm a leafs fan and i don't even thing Matthews is top 5, top 10 for sure, but the lack of assists and past playoff performances bump him down for me.
Shesterkin over Hellebuyck is just wrong, Hellebuyck has over double the games played with essentially the same stats, playing with a worse team for most of that time as well. Not to mention Matthews over Pastrnak, Draisaitl, Panarin and Kucherov is a joke.
Putting Matthews ahead of Draisaitl, Makar, Kucherov at any time, but especially when you're looking at career is wild. Matthews is a one dimensional player that while he scores lots of goals, he otherwise does not contribute to a lot of goals, whereas all the others I mentioned can score, but also drive play and set up others. All this also ignores that all these players are so far beyond Matthews when it comes to playoff performance that it's embarrassing.
Draisaitl is only relevant because of McDavid. Look at Hyman he has 50 why? Because he plays with McDavid. You could play on McDavids line and score 30. To even consider Leon being ranked higher than Mathews is a joke. Give your head a shake
@@kylekerr3910 To use your logic, Matthews is only relevant because he has Nylander or Marner setting him up. Draisaitl consistently produces points with or without McDavid, and I mean if you just look at the playoff numbers, especially considering Drai was on one leg for a good part of it, the race between Drai and Matthews isn't even close.
Matthews is a perennial selke candidate. He gets overlooked because of his goal totals but he is genuinely one of the best defensive forwards in the game. To say he's one dimensional either means you don't watch him play, or you do watch him play and no nothing about hockey. Either way you're wrong.
@@pete4ism You've offered no actual evidence to show that he's strong defensively. He plays against weaker offensive threats consistently, all the tougher matchups go to either Tavares or Kampf. Even in the game just recently, he wasn't on the ice for an empty net goal late, because he's not a guy that can be put in the game when it's 4 on 6 with the game on the line, they wanted to wait until it was 5 on 6 to ease the matchup. It's fine that you like the player on your team, but to say he should be a perennial Selke candidate is just ignorant of actual strong defensive forwards.
@@Marixa1979 5th best plus/minus in the league. Constantly ending plays in the D zone, constantly moving the puck out, never a liability. They've used him on the PK to great effect but tend to save his legs for offensive minutes (gasp). Whenever he battles for the puck its just understood that he's coming out with it and tilting the ice back Toronto's way. He just is a selke caliber defender. There are others more deserving, but to pretend he's one dimensional is, respectfully, very silly.
I am a leafs fan so there is bias but on what planet is Robertson better than Marner. Marner has 4 more points than him all while having way better defensive numbers and playing 14 less games than him this season.
If goalies are on this list then where is Demko? If you ever watch Vancouver then you'd know there success this season is largely di to him, hence this bit of a slump they have been in since he has been hurt
The argument for Matthews is goal scoring and defense, but it's really tough to quantify defense numbers. Even still, the overall production of other forwards has been better and more consistently. For this season, there is a small argument for Matthews being number 3, but Kucherov has gapped the scoring production of Matthews. Goals are harder to come by (and Matthews has 30 more), but when you help your team to getting 40 more goals via assist, it's realistically not close. My top 10 this season is: McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Panarin, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Q.Hughes, Fox
Reason for mostly picking young players? You could put Crosby,Overchkin,Stamkos,Tavares,Marshand,Malkin,kane in here as they were better than a lot of these young players in their prime. This list is only based on potential. So you should title this video with the highest potential nhl players not best through career. Explain how Point is any better than Stamkos was when he started his career. Stamkos won cups and had a 60 goal season. So how is Point better. I already know hes worse then Crosby who won 3 cups. Some other players like Marner, Robertson, jt miller and Kaspizov, Jack Hughes(why is he even close to top 10 lol) too name a few are all based on potential and haven't had better careers than the players I mention lol
Putting Makar at 4 and Hughes at 11 is absolutely laughable. Makar would barely exist without Mackinnon, and even when together, Makar's stats are worse than Hughes by almost every metric. I'm making sure to mute your channel.
66 goals makes No 3, but 53 not even Top 25? No Forsbrrg or Crosby? Bouchard plays unreal, but Heiskinen in Top25 and no Bouch or Josi? Your list is not bad, but also not good.
@@jimmyhockey What makes Marner better than Hyman if you place Leon ar #7 who is since 5 years #3 in goals und #2 in points? Whats your reference point there?
@@Raphael_Slowik comparing nuge to marner is crazy marner is better in both zones and is more responsible not to mention 38 of Matthews goals have been assisted by marner
Do you agree with my Top 25 NHL Players List, What would you change
i feel like barzal has a case to be on this list. I also think that sorokin is better than shesterkin and hellebuyck. Also, Barkov is very underrated, could easily be on this list
The players just voted Crosby as the best all around player for the 5th time in a row
@@arielfriedman1251 soooooo youre an islanders fan
having kuch at 5 behind papi and makar is criminal
Debatably Barzal here and Sorokin still the best goalie in the league.
no Crosby? are you drunk?!
Clearly he is
Crosby must be on this list. Regardless of age he is still easily top 25 in the league
Please never cook a list again 🔥🔥🔥 where’s Sidney Crosby
Since your doing career and not season not having Ovi or Sid is lowkey disrespectful when they are some of the best players to ever play the sport
No way Barkov is not on this list... Guy is the main reason for Florida Panthers success lately. Pretty much the best 2 way forward in the league scores alot of points and he has such a big effect to his team on and off the ice...
Not having jack eichel is pretty debatable but overall a pretty good list
He is a big honorable mention love the guy
How could Crosby, Josi, Hedman and vasilevksi not be on the list? Barkov?
It’s a very short list and the league has a lot of players if I could swap one though Crosby deserves to be on it more than JT miller
@@jimmyhockey Bruh 19 Seasons PPG - 3 Cups - Lived up to everyone's expectations and still terrorizes nearly every young talent on this list. I am shocked at your perspective of swapping him out with J.T Miller. J.T Miller is not even in the same contention as Crosby, you cannot tie a few good seasons (Without the Cup) against someone who has been consistent for his entire career.
Good list, but to me Rantanen is a top 10 player, having him that low is wild
Not having Barkov up there is really confusing.
My only thing is this list probably should have Eichel, Crosby and Hedmen. None the less really nice video!
The fact that Crosby is not on the list makes it insane. He’s still easily a top 10 player and I’m leafs fan
Good list. It's too bad Quinn Hughes will lose the Norris to Makar despite clearly being the better defender this season. Some awards are just popularity contests. Also have to say that Hughes is the franchise player on Vancouver, with all due respect to Pettersson. I believe that barring injury/trade, Hughes will go down as the best player in Canucks history.
eeehhhh this comment ended up being wrong which is a great thing for both of us lol
@@Jrrobins99 i am pleasantly surprised
If you do a "career sample" you should also include Crosby, Ovi, Malkin, Kane, Kopitar, etc. Few of the players you listed will even come close to them in terms of stats. If your list is based on the last two seasons or so, I partially agree.
You could say it’s because I’m a preds fan or I’m not looking at the bigger picture but not including Forsberg is questionable I feel like. He has 89 points in 79 games and the preds would not be where they are without him.
I don’t think forsberg is a bad player but definitely not a good enough player to be mentioned in this list. Players like Roope Hintz, Jack Eichel, and Matthew Barzal are all around better players than Forsberg and those three didn’t get a whiff of this list.
No crosby is absolutely hilarious lol…but you also said if toronto could go deep into the playoffs. This is a pretty poor list but it’s your opinion so can’t get mad 👍🏻
Added goalies definitely makes the list right but I agree with most of the picks
hellebuyck is better than sherterkin bc shesterkin gives 10 times more rebounds than hellebuyck. Shesterkin would be by far the best goalie if he knew how to shut down offenses by keeping the pucks on initial shots, which hellebuyck does way better.
They are all great I just prefer Shesterkin
barkov
I wouldn't put Pettersson on the top 25 list...and move JT into the top 20. I'd put Hughes ahead of Makar now...yes he is that good
Kuch is actually underrated, he's the second best player in the league for me behind mcdavid, idk if that's crazy to say. I'm a leafs fan and i don't even thing Matthews is top 5, top 10 for sure, but the lack of assists and past playoff performances bump him down for me.
Shesterkin over Hellebuyck is just wrong, Hellebuyck has over double the games played with essentially the same stats, playing with a worse team for most of that time as well. Not to mention Matthews over Pastrnak, Draisaitl, Panarin and Kucherov is a joke.
Putting Matthews ahead of Draisaitl, Makar, Kucherov at any time, but especially when you're looking at career is wild. Matthews is a one dimensional player that while he scores lots of goals, he otherwise does not contribute to a lot of goals, whereas all the others I mentioned can score, but also drive play and set up others. All this also ignores that all these players are so far beyond Matthews when it comes to playoff performance that it's embarrassing.
Draisaitl is only relevant because of McDavid. Look at Hyman he has 50 why? Because he plays with McDavid. You could play on McDavids line and score 30. To even consider Leon being ranked higher than Mathews is a joke. Give your head a shake
@@kylekerr3910 To use your logic, Matthews is only relevant because he has Nylander or Marner setting him up. Draisaitl consistently produces points with or without McDavid, and I mean if you just look at the playoff numbers, especially considering Drai was on one leg for a good part of it, the race between Drai and Matthews isn't even close.
Matthews is a perennial selke candidate. He gets overlooked because of his goal totals but he is genuinely one of the best defensive forwards in the game. To say he's one dimensional either means you don't watch him play, or you do watch him play and no nothing about hockey. Either way you're wrong.
@@pete4ism You've offered no actual evidence to show that he's strong defensively. He plays against weaker offensive threats consistently, all the tougher matchups go to either Tavares or Kampf. Even in the game just recently, he wasn't on the ice for an empty net goal late, because he's not a guy that can be put in the game when it's 4 on 6 with the game on the line, they wanted to wait until it was 5 on 6 to ease the matchup. It's fine that you like the player on your team, but to say he should be a perennial Selke candidate is just ignorant of actual strong defensive forwards.
@@Marixa1979 5th best plus/minus in the league. Constantly ending plays in the D zone, constantly moving the puck out, never a liability. They've used him on the PK to great effect but tend to save his legs for offensive minutes (gasp). Whenever he battles for the puck its just understood that he's coming out with it and tilting the ice back Toronto's way. He just is a selke caliber defender. There are others more deserving, but to pretend he's one dimensional is, respectfully, very silly.
no crosby or josi😂
I am a leafs fan so there is bias but on what planet is Robertson better than Marner. Marner has 4 more points than him all while having way better defensive numbers and playing 14 less games than him this season.
rantanen should be higher, I think mack should be #1 for this season, and cale should be over matthews (im totally not biased at all)
he did say it's not just for the season
Just left Sid off top 25. Downvote.
I think Elias Peterson is better then tkachuck so I would say put Peterson at 12 and tkachuk at 13
They are both great it’s really personal preference
@@jimmyhockey I agree
Honestly petey and quin should be in the top 10 easily
@@kingtim420 Petey shouldn't be on the list at all
If goalies are on this list then where is Demko? If you ever watch Vancouver then you'd know there success this season is largely di to him, hence this bit of a slump they have been in since he has been hurt
Yeah but this is one season we have seen this level of play, like I said at the start this is not just for this season
@@jimmyhockey half of last season after his injury and in the bubble, it's not a one off
The argument for Matthews is goal scoring and defense, but it's really tough to quantify defense numbers. Even still, the overall production of other forwards has been better and more consistently. For this season, there is a small argument for Matthews being number 3, but Kucherov has gapped the scoring production of Matthews.
Goals are harder to come by (and Matthews has 30 more), but when you help your team to getting 40 more goals via assist, it's realistically not close.
My top 10 this season is: McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Panarin, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Q.Hughes, Fox
I wonder who McDavid would say... Aleksander Barkov comes to mind... man how can you not include him?
Sid and ovi should be on this list you said this is over there career ovi has the most goals currently playing in the nhl
I get andrei vasilevskiy got injured this year but still he should be in the honourable mentions
I don’t care if his name is cheechoo, someone joins the 50 goal club they are a top 5 player that year.
Buddy doesn't put crosby on, clearly smokin that good good
Blud puts Cale Makar and Matthews over Kuch, and no Crosby. L list
Great list… I think Drysitle and Ratunen are the exact same players for the exact same reason
Reason for mostly picking young players? You could put Crosby,Overchkin,Stamkos,Tavares,Marshand,Malkin,kane in here as they were better than a lot of these young players in their prime. This list is only based on potential. So you should title this video with the highest potential nhl players not best through career. Explain how Point is any better than Stamkos was when he started his career. Stamkos won cups and had a 60 goal season. So how is Point better. I already know hes worse then Crosby who won 3 cups.
Some other players like Marner, Robertson, jt miller and Kaspizov, Jack Hughes(why is he even close to top 10 lol) too name a few are all based on potential and haven't had better careers than the players I mention lol
No Crosby I can see Ovechkin left off tho
Matthews is a bit high. But I get it.. can't upset the Leafs fans.
No Barkov or Josi is crazy
where is barkov this is hilarious
Crosby?
I wish I put him over JT Miller that’s the one change I would make
Rantanen is top 10.
barkov ?
Crosby? Barkov?
У каждого свой список.
Your list is horrible
He’s a Toronto fan he’s not gonna pick any obvious picks
68 goals now
Wow, you Peterson where ?
So many former flames 😢
Wheres Crosby and vasilevksi
David doesn’t even play defense
Kaprizov should be higher.
Putting Makar at 4 and Hughes at 11 is absolutely laughable. Makar would barely exist without Mackinnon, and even when together, Makar's stats are worse than Hughes by almost every metric. I'm making sure to mute your channel.
Drai at 7 ok buddy
No, Barkov. This list is a joke
66 goals makes No 3, but 53 not even Top 25? No Forsbrrg or Crosby? Bouchard plays unreal, but Heiskinen in Top25 and no Bouch or Josi? Your list is not bad, but also not good.
I would replace JT Miller with Crosby now that I reflect on the list but it just shows you how many good players are in the NHL
@@jimmyhockey What makes Marner better than Hyman if you place Leon ar #7 who is since 5 years #3 in goals und #2 in points? Whats your reference point there?
@@Raphael_SlowikHyman gets better from the people around him and marner makes the people around him better
@@RelaxationStationnnnn.. Who exactly, AMax? Mitchie is a elite player but his impact is limited and overhyped. Its the Leaf-Version of Nuge.
@@Raphael_Slowik comparing nuge to marner is crazy marner is better in both zones and is more responsible not to mention 38 of Matthews goals have been assisted by marner
hyman >>>>>> marner and nylander
Buddy😂 horrible count down sorry!
No crosby?!?!?!? Do you even know hockey???