@@therasco400 They only removed the text in the ability description. :) Buff an artillery piece with Ballistics Calibration, select the artillery and hold alt to bring up the force fire option. A crosshair will appear and around it there'll be a circle indicating the potential area of impact for the shell. Don't move the mouse and let the Ballistics Calibration buff run its course. When it ends the impact circle will widen.
This was my army. Definitely not optimized and not the best was 100% made it for the spectacle lol. Strangely the AI was a lot more aggressive when I fought it and the hellblasters had no problem killing the reinforcements coming through the trees, might be the penetration passive from the gunner school, idk. But hey when you see 8 stacks of greenskins standing in a pile sometimes you just have to go for it lol
"This should really be built if you love watching Hellstorm rocket batteries obliterate things and you just want to watch a gigantic spectacle" But... isn't that the whole point?
I really wish there was a way to ‘blacklist’ certain targets/unit types for artillery. So I don’t get my anti-infantry mortars firing at the large single entity giant.
@@Krispei wish they would add more stuff like this to the research. Even something like AI changes with research you unlock. Similar to the shield wall ability for the dwarves
Yeah it would be awesome to have, it could be a simple check "is the base number of entities for that unit above or below 60" to determine what unit to shoot with what, since I also don't want my mortars to shoot at Vlad or any kind of single entity infantry dude
I think it is also impressive that you get this result on a map that is far from ideal in terms of terrain, so that should also be taken into consideration. This was not the best map for this kind of doomstack, so that increased the amount of micro required to be effective. And I think the main value of the engineers is the re-stocks to keep the ammo high decreasing the time until army losses hit the enemy.
I never get there's super long battles where the AI kinda derps around and I pick them off little by little like legend does. It's usually they attack as soon as possible and I kill them all immediately or they break through and kill me, either way the battle is over in like 10 mins or less
@@botep5529 do you fight a single army or multiple armies ? Is your army stronger than the base enemy army ? Are you the attacker ? These can influence whether or not the AI rushes
I think it also depends on the battle difficulty you use, since using very hard battle difficulty I have noticed some similarities with how they behave like in Legends videos
I built similar doomstacks, but you need to put a lightwizard and at least 4 more steam tanks in there for holding them back properly, you dont need this many Helstorm artys
The Amethyst Rocket Batteries do very good in sieges. Their shots arc higher than regular rocket batteries, making them able to hit units close to the walls inside settlements.
I noticed this just yesterday! Their arc is so much more akin to a mortar (not quite as high of an arc but it’s close). Having a Helstorm battery that shoots in a high arc like a crossbow is such a huge bonus to the empire. One of my main gripes with the helstorm is when it just blasts the backside of my frontline
Did something very similar. Dropped 3 helstorms for 2 light wizards and a cannon. The cannons monstrous impacts, managed carefully, was incredibly useful in drawing out the fight. Net of amantok meant single entities just ate it
Hey legend, you've been uploading so much lately and its so much easier to learn small hidden tips and tricks that amount to a huge difference in battles, for sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Thank you!
I'm fairly certain having reinforcements hindered the AI in this situation given how many times they tried to regroup when new units came on the battlefield. A simple 20 stack with fast unit would probably be able to defeat this, lightning strike would indeed be good to have to delay the reinforcing armies but not to actually lightning strike the enemy and fight a 20v20. Also, the terrain/ reinforcement zone dependcy is huge
I only encountered this "repositioning" bug recently in VH. The Ogre Army started reposition around my outnumbered Cathay boys. Again, and again, until I had battered most of their best units and triggered army loss. It was really weird, still, pretty appropriate considering how ogres do tactics in lore
Rocket Batteries get all the love but Helblasters are a real workhorse unit. You lead a single entity or monstrous cavalry infront of one and it just dies, the dps on them is so high and it scales extremely well with chevrons.
7:07 This has been a problem in Total War ever since they switched engines for Empire: Total War. Before that, Guard Mode reliably made archers and artillery stay fucking there.
You can also get them with the Enemy Leadership reduction perk. It is nowhere near as strong as the beastmen version of the fear doomstack, but it is an extremely powerful army in addition to that, so it can route off the chaff and only focus on killing the big/elite stuff.
I tested it and even with 5 Hochland Scopes. The problem you have. 1: Have a hard time with unit blobs. 2: Can wipe out a friendly engineer in a single volley. Friendly fire is very deadly. Good sides 1: Can wipe out Kugath Plaguefather with 2 volleys. As in all engineer takes 2 shots at him. So it does a lot of damage on single target units.
@@Zefar77 "Hochland scopes" trait doesn't benefit engineers at all. It only applies to gunpowder infantry and cavalry, not heroes. Bandoleer is the trait you want for an engineer stack.
Its good, but not amazing. You need at least a wizard so you can deal with blobs. They can kill heroes and single entities really fast and on the barded horse basically there is nothing that can catch them fast enough to really matter.
Personally I think that future total war games need each army to have a "Camp" which if attacked (not even necessarily lost") has very bad consequences on the Campaign map. Retreating units generally move towards the camp and if units are cut off from it you get a morale penalty. (Maybe you can assign a couple of units to the camp to fight off raids) I think this would get rid of blobbing & corner camping and introduce a lot of the strategy and tactics real generals had to deal with.
The Ability + Walking formula has been a brain-rot issue that CA never cares to resolve. I mean, in what situation has ever been a commander issuing an order but said, "Sergeant, go do this! but just walk, take your time."
suppression on those field guns will slow enemies down, a cannon or two would do that even more, the engineers I think could stay with the artillery providing the passive accuracy and reload buff unless something came that is a legit threat.
For the rating: "Welcome to Estalia Gentleman" this dommstack get 110/10. P.S: if I remember correctly hellblast are unlock at tier 4 settlement, not 5. was 5 in warhammer 2.
Man, I modded the ever-loving life out of TWW2, and I barely got artillery with range over 700. You're telling me that it is just part of Vanilla TWW3 now? XD Soooo much of my modded game is now just available in the core game. XD
After testing for many hours today i found out that the AI breaks faster on higher difficulties while on normal / hard difficulty the AI breaks less since it is not trying to do any fancy maneuvering or targeting they often just charge your frontline .... it still breaks from time to time but not as often as on VH/L difficulty
Oi mister Legend, as an artillery addict (I love the smell of hellfire rockets any time of day) I'm quite suprised you didn't use control groups in this battle. I usually have left, center and right flank battery and it really helps in knowing what group is aming at wich targets and quickly switch to new targets without trying to select them in the mess the backline inadvertently becomes. That not withstanding, nice battle!
When the ai is playing against Legend even the strongest army is to scared to attack and the weakest army knows it's over so they start rushing to be done with it. 😂😂😂😂
I my Empire campign i am using a Doomstack made with 4 Rocket Batteries, 14 Ships, 1 Enginner and 1 Master Enginner, with this army i managed to turn into paste all the evil factions. Maybe it could be better to replace one ship with one mage, but generally with this is a far better Doomstack than this, specially if the enemy comes from different directions.
I know machine learning "AI" is controversial, but a really good application in games. E.g. Alpha GO. I'd love to see it applied to total war. I expect it would cost too much money/time investment from CA though. The great thing about this application, is that after certain point, it can train itself.
I have an army with 17 hellstorms with all the gunnery upgrades. Have master engineer lord, steam tank and landship. Why? Because i like to fill the sky with fire and laugh with maniacal glee.
I wonder if the AI tries when it knows it outpowers you to form up and come at you in one wave, then once you start making new unit appear it continues to re form up not realising that being in range of your guns is the problem
Bad formation on mass arty here. If you make a line instead of a column the CC on impact counts for much more and makes a tarpit at range for the enemy. it also auto-prioratizes based on 1:distance; 2 tankiness.
This is probably Korean army generals wet dream. Sir it seems drones are the future. No, Artillery Sir, we need to get 5th gen fighters. No, ARTILLERY Sir, we need aircraft carriers NO, MOAR ARTILLERY!
In my experience, the AI is significantly dumber when they have reinforcements. It seems like particularly when their primary army is weaker than yours, they will play defensive and wait for reinforcements.. Then get caught in a regroup cycle if you start killing off or routing units. Also if the ai has artillery they seem to try and play more defensive. If they have 1 stack of strong units, no artillery, they will just bum rush you.
I know it took restraint to not do another "short?!" bit when going back to restore ammunation, I know it was hard for you. The bit is still hilarious though.
There's no way in hell I would ever play with this army 😂. It's far too situational, there's too many circumstances where it would be rendered useless. You would have to be very careful where you send it unless your campaign is just so rich already that you can afford to throw it away. Thats just not any fun in my opinion.
i think legend is too scared of the enemy.. the 7 batteries are to deal with said problem of enemies getting too close.. and trees can be a problem for 1-2 artillery, but with 7 batteries shooting in there, a few bullets hitting trees doesnt matter too much. the engineers shotgun mode should also not be slept on, my engineers doesnt do as well as casters, but they do carry their weight in the kill count department. this match was won with basically 13 units, the batteries barely shot any bullets at all
6:06 Ballistics Calibration has a hidden +60 bonus to accuracy which can be very good for cannon-type artillery.
No it does not. They removed that in a patch.
@@therasco400 They only removed the text in the ability description. :)
Buff an artillery piece with Ballistics Calibration, select the artillery and hold alt to bring up the force fire option. A crosshair will appear and around it there'll be a circle indicating the potential area of impact for the shell. Don't move the mouse and let the Ballistics Calibration buff run its course. When it ends the impact circle will widen.
@@halwakka504 Lmao Rome 2 all over again
@@RobinTheBot I'm fairly certain it's pretty much the same engine lol
11:54 yeah, can't imagine this army performs well against Skaven, doing menace belows right on top of artillery lol
Or even sigvald. Daemonettes you can summon would eat those arty crews
This was my army. Definitely not optimized and not the best was 100% made it for the spectacle lol. Strangely the AI was a lot more aggressive when I fought it and the hellblasters had no problem killing the reinforcements coming through the trees, might be the penetration passive from the gunner school, idk. But hey when you see 8 stacks of greenskins standing in a pile sometimes you just have to go for it lol
Legend with arty armies: enemy ai has minus iq
Me with arty armies: hannibal
"This should really be built if you love watching Hellstorm rocket batteries obliterate things and you just want to watch a gigantic spectacle"
But... isn't that the whole point?
Are there any empire players who DON'T love that?
@@lightworker2956those who make knight doom stacks
@@eugeniusmorar Those degenerates are barely worth mentioning
Exactly 💯
@@eugeniusmorar You mean Bretonians in denial?
"They're taking a defensive position for now..." meanwhile the enemy army is a red puddle on the ground
I really wish there was a way to ‘blacklist’ certain targets/unit types for artillery. So I don’t get my anti-infantry mortars firing at the large single entity giant.
That’s actually such a wonderful idea, I could see them making it a pop up when you click fire at will
@@Krispei wish they would add more stuff like this to the research. Even something like AI changes with research you unlock. Similar to the shield wall ability for the dwarves
Empire had this with the firing drills, would be amazing to have that back (in a non-broken form lol)@kedronmallia939
that is a TALL order for CA
Yeah it would be awesome to have, it could be a simple check "is the base number of entities for that unit above or below 60" to determine what unit to shoot with what, since I also don't want my mortars to shoot at Vlad or any kind of single entity infantry dude
Having 2 canons with Elspeth lets you slow down stuff to a standstill. Incredibly more worth it than having a couple more hellblasters
Plus having 2-4 units of Nuln rifles will clean up anything that gets through those trees and single units. This is a glass cannon build.
Just gotta make sure to upgrade the cannons, I only realised how strong they are when i upgraded them.
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Ref. Mechanical horses: They are fun, they add to the storyteling and roleplaying elements. Thus I like them.
I think it is also impressive that you get this result on a map that is far from ideal in terms of terrain, so that should also be taken into consideration. This was not the best map for this kind of doomstack, so that increased the amount of micro required to be effective. And I think the main value of the engineers is the re-stocks to keep the ammo high decreasing the time until army losses hit the enemy.
this is basically what Astra Militarum will look like in 40k
*Imperial Guard
Astra Mila- what?
Your in the Imperial Guard Son
More like Tau
Where are all the Lasguns? Even the artillery regiments have Lasgun grunts, as shown by the fact there is a Gunner rank.
False; there are zero flashlights in this army
Legend seeing a dragon become more cannon ball than drake@7:14 -
"Damn ...😮"
I’m starting to get this conspiracy theory that Legend of Total War’s game has dumber AI than my game.
I feel that. When I build super defensive armies the AI rushes me as fast as it possibly can and will break its own neck to try to flank me
When I try to bait the enemy with my Lord they just ignore it and go straight for the ranged units
I never get there's super long battles where the AI kinda derps around and I pick them off little by little like legend does. It's usually they attack as soon as possible and I kill them all immediately or they break through and kill me, either way the battle is over in like 10 mins or less
@@botep5529 do you fight a single army or multiple armies ? Is your army stronger than the base enemy army ? Are you the attacker ? These can influence whether or not the AI rushes
I think it also depends on the battle difficulty you use, since using very hard battle difficulty I have noticed some similarities with how they behave like in Legends videos
Last time I was this early, morale was an actual meaningful stat
the before times
Tell that to goblins and skavenslaves
I mean, it still is?
@@LimeGuy101 as soon as I started talking, they broke 😢
My guy the whole game revolves around morale, in what universe is it not relevant anymore
I built similar doomstacks, but you need to put a lightwizard and at least 4 more steam tanks in there for holding them back properly, you dont need this many Helstorm artys
The Amethyst Rocket Batteries do very good in sieges. Their shots arc higher than regular rocket batteries, making them able to hit units close to the walls inside settlements.
I noticed this just yesterday! Their arc is so much more akin to a mortar (not quite as high of an arc but it’s close). Having a Helstorm battery that shoots in a high arc like a crossbow is such a huge bonus to the empire. One of my main gripes with the helstorm is when it just blasts the backside of my frontline
They are by far the best siege units in the game. Poison winds aren't even close.
Did something very similar. Dropped 3 helstorms for 2 light wizards and a cannon. The cannons monstrous impacts, managed carefully, was incredibly useful in drawing out the fight. Net of amantok meant single entities just ate it
Hey legend, you've been uploading so much lately and its so much easier to learn small hidden tips and tricks that amount to a huge difference in battles, for sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Thank you!
I'm fairly certain having reinforcements hindered the AI in this situation given how many times they tried to regroup when new units came on the battlefield. A simple 20 stack with fast unit would probably be able to defeat this, lightning strike would indeed be good to have to delay the reinforcing armies but not to actually lightning strike the enemy and fight a 20v20.
Also, the terrain/ reinforcement zone dependcy is huge
suppression on the field guns can slow down fast units and take out cav really well
20:30 the sound of those hellblaster volley guns 🥵
I only encountered this "repositioning" bug recently in VH. The Ogre Army started reposition around my outnumbered Cathay boys. Again, and again, until I had battered most of their best units and triggered army loss.
It was really weird, still, pretty appropriate considering how ogres do tactics in lore
There is never enough artillery! Especially when playing gunpowder heavy factions like the Empire!
if you have to ask it you have enough artillery, then the answer is not yet
Normal people: Man i sure love knowing what the balance of power is like by looking at the convenient bar at the top
LoTW: *BATTLE MUSIC* (09:00)
Rocket Batteries get all the love but Helblasters are a real workhorse unit. You lead a single entity or monstrous cavalry infront of one and it just dies, the dps on them is so high and it scales extremely well with chevrons.
7:07 This has been a problem in Total War ever since they switched engines for Empire: Total War. Before that, Guard Mode reliably made archers and artillery stay fucking there.
That AI is not 40k ready
Will always blow my mind that people actually enjoy playing this way.
I wonder how strong a 20 engineer stack would be. Decent mobility (on non-mechanical steeds) and strong firepower + tons of ammo to share among them.
Cultist of Khorne might have a video about it. They're like premium war wagons stack
You can also get them with the Enemy Leadership reduction perk. It is nowhere near as strong as the beastmen version of the fear doomstack, but it is an extremely powerful army in addition to that, so it can route off the chaff and only focus on killing the big/elite stuff.
I tested it and even with 5 Hochland Scopes. The problem you have.
1: Have a hard time with unit blobs.
2: Can wipe out a friendly engineer in a single volley. Friendly fire is very deadly.
Good sides
1: Can wipe out Kugath Plaguefather with 2 volleys. As in all engineer takes 2 shots at him.
So it does a lot of damage on single target units.
@@Zefar77 "Hochland scopes" trait doesn't benefit engineers at all. It only applies to gunpowder infantry and cavalry, not heroes. Bandoleer is the trait you want for an engineer stack.
Its good, but not amazing. You need at least a wizard so you can deal with blobs. They can kill heroes and single entities really fast and on the barded horse basically there is nothing that can catch them fast enough to really matter.
Rite of primeval glory says hello to this army
Hellblaster volley guns say 'no u'.
@@AnEnormousNerd line of sight in 80% maps in Lustria: 'No u'
Welcome to Estalia Gentle.. Orks?
Personally I think that future total war games need each army to have a "Camp" which if attacked (not even necessarily lost") has very bad consequences on the Campaign map. Retreating units generally move towards the camp and if units are cut off from it you get a morale penalty. (Maybe you can assign a couple of units to the camp to fight off raids)
I think this would get rid of blobbing & corner camping and introduce a lot of the strategy and tactics real generals had to deal with.
The Ability + Walking formula has been a brain-rot issue that CA never cares to resolve. I mean, in what situation has ever been a commander issuing an order but said, "Sergeant, go do this! but just walk, take your time."
Skavenslaves could obliterate this army if he is caught in an ambush.
This seems like a stack where having a few frontline units like stream tanks would be more helpful than just spamming artillery.
Hope CA fixes the permanent repositioning of the AI, as legend said, this doomstack only works because the AI doesn't engage.
This is the College of Pyrotechnics at the Restaurant.
Need more Arti
Neva enuff Dakka!!!
A meme stack. No wizard at all, no line holders. Not even any warrior priests.
And meme it did.
I love the general disdain legend has for mechanical steeds.
suppression on those field guns will slow enemies down, a cannon or two would do that even more, the engineers I think could stay with the artillery providing the passive accuracy and reload buff unless something came that is a legit threat.
For the rating: "Welcome to Estalia Gentleman" this dommstack get 110/10.
P.S: if I remember correctly hellblast are unlock at tier 4 settlement, not 5. was 5 in warhammer 2.
Light wizards can also give extra speed for reorganizing your artillery
Man, I modded the ever-loving life out of TWW2, and I barely got artillery with range over 700. You're telling me that it is just part of Vanilla TWW3 now? XD
Soooo much of my modded game is now just available in the core game. XD
Oh this is a doomstack video, i thought this was a disaster battle all along
If it had been me playing, the AI would've bumrushed me instantly instead of regrouping 58 times... :/
Same. If I build super defensive armies the AI builds 6 units of cav or doggos and rushes me as fast as possible
The AI also loves trees and will always find patches to approach through tree acne
After testing for many hours today i found out that the AI breaks faster on higher difficulties while on normal / hard difficulty the AI breaks less since it is not trying to do any fancy maneuvering or targeting they often just charge your frontline .... it still breaks from time to time but not as often as on VH/L difficulty
Soviet breakthrough artillery division 1944 colorized.
The real doomstack was the AI we met along the way
...or so they say
I'm new here.. Laughed out loud when I heard the term "tree acne"
It’d be pretty interesting to see how this battle would go across every difficulty
From a former artillery medic in the US Army: the correct answer to the question posed in the title is “no. Never. Bring more.”
Hellstorm rocket/Hellblaster volley-gun ASMR
What kind of General put together ths army? Napoleon??!!
To be fair, napoleon wouldve put together a more balanced army. Infantry, calvary and artillery.
@@Serviner I think this is young Napoleon's army when He's high on onion...
Oi mister Legend, as an artillery addict (I love the smell of hellfire rockets any time of day) I'm quite suprised you didn't use control groups in this battle.
I usually have left, center and right flank battery and it really helps in knowing what group is aming at wich targets and quickly switch to new targets without trying to select them in the mess the backline inadvertently becomes.
That not withstanding, nice battle!
He is a savage. He almost never uses control groups.
@@clone4211 dude....have you actually watched any of Ledg's vids?
He ís a savage, I'll give you that 😋
Forest acne. I am stealing that! xD
When the ai is playing against Legend even the strongest army is to scared to attack and the weakest army knows it's over so they start rushing to be done with it. 😂😂😂😂
my kind of army, just let the fireworks fly.
I think steam tanks, life and light wizard could drastically improve this army. Now you can have frontline with stam tanks supported by healing.
I my Empire campign i am using a Doomstack made with 4 Rocket Batteries, 14 Ships, 1 Enginner and 1 Master Enginner, with this army i managed to turn into paste all the evil factions. Maybe it could be better to replace one ship with one mage, but generally with this is a far better Doomstack than this, specially if the enemy comes from different directions.
As soon as I saw this army... NO WIZARD?! It's good but yeah must have Light Wizard for this one.
I know machine learning "AI" is controversial, but a really good application in games. E.g. Alpha GO. I'd love to see it applied to total war. I expect it would cost too much money/time investment from CA though. The great thing about this application, is that after certain point, it can train itself.
College of pyrotechnics like:
I have an army with 17 hellstorms with all the gunnery upgrades. Have master engineer lord, steam tank and landship. Why? Because i like to fill the sky with fire and laugh with maniacal glee.
The biggest threat to this army are summoned units imo. Having melee units pop up right in the middle of your artillery is potentially devestating
At last, a doomstack that doesn’t break the scale 😌
A march of meta!l \m/
8:30 useful tip
Ah, yet another video example of the VH battle AI being a total joke, and worse than its Normal counterpart. Love to see it, CA.
surprisingly good result indeed
The enemy have artiliry and are shelling us, what do you want to do boss?
Reform the Battleline ye git
I wonder if the AI tries when it knows it outpowers you to form up and come at you in one wave, then once you start making new unit appear it continues to re form up not realising that being in range of your guns is the problem
Bad formation on mass arty here. If you make a line instead of a column the CC on impact counts for much more and makes a tarpit at range for the enemy. it also auto-prioratizes based on 1:distance; 2 tankiness.
This is probably Korean army generals wet dream.
Sir it seems drones are the future.
No, Artillery
Sir, we need to get 5th gen fighters.
No, ARTILLERY
Sir, we need aircraft carriers
NO, MOAR ARTILLERY!
In my experience, the AI is significantly dumber when they have reinforcements. It seems like particularly when their primary army is weaker than yours, they will play defensive and wait for reinforcements.. Then get caught in a regroup cycle if you start killing off or routing units. Also if the ai has artillery they seem to try and play more defensive. If they have 1 stack of strong units, no artillery, they will just bum rush you.
Heroes with black powder should hug arty in order to take single entities faster with less ammo
I think the legendary hero jorek grim would be the perfect fit.
You can press R to make the unit run if you use ability outside their range
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Hoping for more Shogun 2 soon ❤
If the ai just charged at the start, I bet it could be a bit dicey. I’d add a life and light wizard.
I know it took restraint to not do another "short?!" bit when going back to restore ammunation, I know it was hard for you. The bit is still hilarious though.
Artillery only FOTS...ASMR
I'd love to see this vs 4 full stacks of bats.
bots are bigger fans than most viewers apparently
Running the same army but with steamtanks as frontline. Works way better.
couple more engineers and all the workshop upgrades/research/Lord Skills and the rocket batteries kill single entities easily too
just a thought; it might be interesting to revisit some WH2 doomstacks that don't do so well in game 3?
Good old Estalia vibes
Having like two melee or cav units wouldve definitely helped ^_^
There's no way in hell I would ever play with this army 😂. It's far too situational, there's too many circumstances where it would be rendered useless. You would have to be very careful where you send it unless your campaign is just so rich already that you can afford to throw it away. Thats just not any fun in my opinion.
Balthasar would be proud
Thanks for the video
Hi any chance you upload the replays of theese battles ? I really like to just replay and watch the carnage.
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen
Thanks! i love puns
how do you get more than 3 regiment of renoun? i still have no idea how it works.. and esp how do you get same unit 3 times? isnt that illegal? lol
That ai repositioning is excessive!
i think legend is too scared of the enemy.. the 7 batteries are to deal with said problem of enemies getting too close.. and trees can be a problem for 1-2 artillery, but with 7 batteries shooting in there, a few bullets hitting trees doesnt matter too much. the engineers shotgun mode should also not be slept on, my engineers doesnt do as well as casters, but they do carry their weight in the kill count department. this match was won with basically 13 units, the batteries barely shot any bullets at all
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the helstorm battery on the far right moved there because you told it to on accident