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YES! Finally, I've been waiting for this car for so long, we sorely need affordable electric estates and especially one that looks this good! Looks like this will be my next car. Thank you for the review!
@@JohnScarrott I like the MG5 but they don't sell it here in Eastern Europe. There is no MG dealer network, no service network etc. Also Romania still has like 10k euro BEV grant so it won't be that expensive provided they bring it here.
MG is owned by the Chinese Communist Party. Your money goes to the party. Nice. Security threat to the west. Supporter of Putin. Threat to Taiwan. Suppressor of Tibet and HK. Slave labour. Internment camps. Still....the MG is cheap. Ugh.
Yea, Peugeot really changed. They used to make cars that people wanted and that weren't expensive. Now they make cars that people don't want and that are very expensive.
@@derbigpr500 exactly!!! used to be affordable value now its unaffordable and excentric more than citroen 45k euros for french golf? have we gone crazy?
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The Stationwagon we have been waiting for - it's a bit funny that it had to be Peugeot who discovered that we actually just want a normal car but with the cheaper to run electrical engine. They nailed it completely with this one, especially because it is claimed to be very efficient as well as practical and good looking. But then I discovered the fake exhausts 😲WTF Peugeot, that is just too daft-, I simply refuse to drive around looking that stupid, I will leave that to BMW EV drivers 🙂
Stellantis really need to start taking the EV market seriously if they want to compete, the combustion version of this car is great but this one for 50K, 200 miles range and 10s 0-100 is kind of a joke when you see what's out there in that price range.
@@danielstefanovic2604I agree that the new e-3008 looks more convincing on paper especially the 320hp AWD version, we will have to wait and see but this e-308 falls short unfortunately
€50.000 is definitely not a good price for such category. For a VW ID4 you pay mayer 4-5.000 more, and now you get Skoda Enyaq for the 50.000. And needless to San that for less money you get a Tesla that has up to 550km range and full option
@@autogefuehl It is not. You have to realize that car prices in Europe are pretty much the same across all the Europe, but, average income of countries is not. Your average income, I presume you are German, is almost twice as it is in my country, so yes, for some of us 50.000€ is ALOT of money---for a Pegueot
I honestly don't understand who this car is targeting. At 50k they are competing with insanely good cars that just absolutely destroy this e-308. Efficiency at an average 45 km/h is also rather bad. What is wrong with the French?
As always, a terrific, balanced review from you, Thomas and Team Autogefuehl - fab work 😎 As for range on this E308SW... At least here in the UK - where our 'average motorway speed' was last recorded at a mere 59mph - a 200 mile range is about 3.5 hours' worth of motorway driving. I'm pretty sure most people would want / need to take a comfort break at around 3 hours, so this would most likely do just fine for 99% of UK drivers - simply plug it in for those 30 minutes you're grabbing a coffee, something to eat and heading to the 'bathroom' and it'd be ready for another 3 hour slog...! 👍
You have taking in consideration feedback that you got for the trunk chapter : good light, measuring every dimension and with luguagge, so we know exactly what fits in
Really nice. The door closing sound is perfect and I can easily imagine the pleasant and relaxing ride. I see it as a very good choice, it's beautiful, elegant and not demanding or imposing, the way to go.
Great review as ever Thomas I would like to try the electric or hybrid 308 I’ve got the petrol 1.2 130 version and would love to see the difference The design is a work of art and something different I think the I cockpit works well for me and I find it comfortable the biggest thing for me was getting used to the auto transmission as in the UK you can’t get manual on the 308 now
While the battery might be a bit on the low end (more reasonable size for the car would probably be 60-70 kWh), the real deal-breaker for me is really the lack of proper fast charging; with 200kW or at least 150kW you'd probably get those 10-80% stops down to 15-20mins, which makes a world of difference if you occasionally want to do a longer trip. Space-wise, the priority order of "front seats" > "luggage" > "rear seats" seem like a very rational order for the European market where we've got mostly decent public transport (i.e. it should be rare that you've got 4 adult sized people in a car for any extended distances). It definitely fits my situation at least. The 10s "sprint" time is also bit too much of a crawl; max 7s is where most entry level EVs seem to converge (and is somewhat of my personal limit), but if that was the only drawback, I might have accepted it for its other benefits (non-SUV, relatively good loading space, most essential controls seem to be on physical buttons).
Hi Thomas. Nice test and production, as always! I've driven the PHEV versions of 308/Astra, and recognize much of what you express. You said Zeekr 001 and ID.7 Tourer could be alternatives to the 308 SW: The ID.7 T is not on the market yet, but the NIO ET5 Touring is. Did you forget that beautiful car? :) With BaaS, it actually costs €2,500 less than the e-308 SW (approx €50' vs €47.5'). For that difference, you get "free" BaaS 75 kWh for 15 months (even longer if you include interest), as well as better range, AWD/faster car, faster charging/swap, 5 star Euro NCAP 2023 and more equipment/way better tech. In my eyes, that offers good value, sustainability and also the important fact that you can quickly swap the battery and upgrade to 100 kWh (560 km WLTP) when you're on longer trips (no need for a "second car"). Looking forward to your test of the NIO ET5 Touring :) We all know you love Nomi.
Thanks 🙏 yeah ET5 Touring but their prices at least in Germany are ridiculous. U need to buy/lease the battery surplus… unless u get that special offer or smth
Thanks for your reply :) Ridiculously expensive? Isn't the MSRP of ET5T 47,5' € in Germany? 2,5' € less than e-308 SW? Yes, you have to "BaaS", if that's a verb, but with the price difference between the two models, you can BaaS 15 months "for free", and even 17-18 months if you factor in interest expense. That's a fair price assessment between the models, and IMO a NIO is worth a bit more than just another Peugeot/off the Stellantis shelf.
Its a shame Peugeot dindt make this more like a familiy car. By this is mean a car with at least 65kwh battery and the capability to go on longer trips without too many chargingstops. Hoping they fix this, still being able to keep the driving fun and price down :)
Renault and especially Peugeot really dropped the ball in the early 2000s and produced some of the worst looking and crappiest cars, it's good to see both of them (especially Renault with the Megane and Austral) putting out cool looking models again!
I want a car like this! Not a high riding SUV! Also station wagons look a lot slimmer, sleeker and sexier than tall, fat SUVs. Also I can easily wash roofs of station wagons.
The car itself looks great and would suit me down to the ground if it wasn’t for the limited range and acceleration. I do a lot of miles for work and visiting family which my standard range Tesla M3 manages fine on UK roads, but I could use the boot space of an estate. I was hoping this would be the car to bridge that massive gap in the market but here’s hoping the 508SW EV is a more practical offering or a BMW 3 series estate EV
A 140 mile real work all year range is just not enough, more and more people are demanding long range 200-300 mile real world , it doesn’t matter if they drive it or not it’s about range and degradation anxiety, or in the eyes if many irs a non starter, evs must have the same range as petrol equivalents or more people don’t convert or resist substandard ev equivalents regardless of what politicians want
Great car! They've really come a long way. I just find that the dashboard is too high for me, I'd rather have lower window lines so I can see out better.
Hey Thomas, This is a bit funny, because Peugeot announced recently the new e-3008 with a whooping 98 kWh battery at almost the same price range, if not just a tiny bit higher. It seems to be a bad joke nowadays that so many manufacturers don't provide the good old hatchback and estate versions with decent battery sizes, instead they go up the inefficiency ladder by building only CUV/SUVs with electric-only powertrain.
Hi, Thomas, When doing the boot measurement test, could you also give the height from the boot floor to the load cover? All in all it seems like a gery nice car, but with a couple of faults. No towing capability. If MG can give a 500kg unbraked for its smaller vehicles, why not Peugeot? Everybody needs to go to the recycling centre with something bigger than the boot can take, every now and again. That battery does seem a bit too small. 55kwh useable would be better for a one-car family. Price is also a bit too high. It certainly seems to be aiming more at quality than mass market, which costs of course, but that price, with the small-ish battery and no towing, for what, otherwise seems like a very nice vehicle, is going to restrict sales. Especially with the Chinese vehicles coming into Europe right now. Nice car, good information from a first drive. You tell us the things we need to know for day to day usefulness. Keep up the good work!🙂
Can’t imagine any informed person would buy this car. So many cars have a better value for the same price. Almost seems like Stellantis doesn’t want to sell electric cars
Really great review! I have the 180HP SW hybrid with GT trim and indeed, the seats massage is great (and heated). I personally don't have the issue with the view on the speedo. I suppose it depends on the morphology. I like using the B mode when alone as I play with the throttle to do the most of braking. But with passengers I indeed switch to normal mode. Regarding the electric range, officially it should be between 50 and 60km, but in real world with colder temperature I get only 32km range (and 4.3l/100 on fuel). I often do long highway trips or very short electric trips to school/shops so that might also play a role. I sometime use the pre-heating which is a great feature! There is a schedule mode but I found it uses 10% of the battery, manually starting it 15min before driving uses little battery and the cars is nicely heated. I did not tested the car in summer yet, but I hope the electric range will be more towards 60km as it would really meet my needs. I don't bother the look of somewhat "fake exhaust", instead I do dislike the fog/rear drive lights in the rear bumper. They really do not match the sportiness of the rear. Therefore I'm planning to wrap these in a darker color. The hybrid This is a great daily driver, well insulated and a real pleasure to drive (compared to the Seat Leon or VW T-ROC I drove in recent years). I suppose this e-308 is very similar drive (but slower). If the battery would be around 70KWh and with higher charging speed, it would be really tempting. But the BYD Seal I recently tested is at around the same price and would be my choice (unfortunately there is no estate, or will there be?). I know the software in the BYD is not finished yet but they are really upgrading it very fast).
I have the same, and since may. The electric range wont improve much during summer, i got tops 45km of electric range. With a relaxing driving, no high speed etc.
@@Alejandro-nu4rk Thanks for sharing your experience. That's not very encouraging to hear that. I also tried to be very gentle, turn off heating, and so on. It helps but not that much and a huge sacrifice in comfort. Hopefully the battery capacities will increase in the coming years and that they even would offer a battery upgrade. For that last I am surely dreaming.
Not sure if I like this one. The popular estates are the Diesel ones because theyre brilliant for people who drive a lot and this is an estate without much long trip viability.
One thing you forgot to mention is the lack of trailer hitch, which makes this a total nogo as we only have one car here at home. I think it looks very peugeot ish, which is a good thing, i own a diesel 308 from 2019 today, and was looking forward to upgrading to electric, but i find the range its biggest lack. Dont understand how they can announce an e3008 with 700km range to come soon when a 308 estate which is supposed to be the family car, only has realistic 320km range...back to the drawing board Peugeot. Also the price is WAY to high for what it offers. In my humble opinion.
320km isn’t horrible, but this is exactly the problem with evs. How are we going to drive long distances when all cars go electric? You have to worry about efficiency, charging stations, deprecation of the battery and so on. Overall the design is very beautiful, aside from the warning chime 😅.
Isn't it obvious how you drive long distances? You plan your charging spots before you leave, you charge when you stop for toilet and refreshment breaks, its really easy when you engage your brain before your right foot. If you follow safety advice you will stop every 2-3 hours for a 20 minute break, and you will charge up during those breaks. Driving longer distances is the reason people zone out and crash, killing themselves and passengers. Driving without taking toilet breaks risks pressure building up in your kidneys, damaging them permanently.
150hp, 9 seconds 0-100, less than 300km range in a small car basically. All that for 50000 euros. LMAO can you see why people aren't rushing into Peugeots dealerships? No wonder European car industry is dying. We're doomed. We're 10 years behind China in terms of tech already, and basically every normal EV made in Europe is useless and overpriced.
But the Citroen e-C3 is coming next year. Until now there is no chinese car in europe that is better at this price point. Don't know if they make money with this car. Later there will be ID2 and Renault 5. Hope that competition works and still the european car maker survive.
@@stscon I'd rather take a bus than drive something like a e-C3. Give me a break with these toy cars. I want a proper serious car that's an EV without looking like it was designed by 9 year olds. That's the problem in Europe, the designers don't realize that an electric car doesn't have to look like a stereotypical EV concept car from the 90's. Make a car that looks like a normal car and that's also an EV. Like they're doing in China. It's staggering and I can't believe I'm saying this, but China is currently the only country in the world that understands what makes a good EV car. It's like they're the only ones employing car guys in the car industry, and everyone else is just employing, I don't know, randoms to fill in the quota of inclusiveness in terms of types of people in the work force, instead of employing people who know what they're doing. It's like everything is on their priority list except actually making good cars. Why can't anyone in Europe make a car like the Nio ET5? Or the Geely Galaxy L6. Or the IM LS6 (800hp for 40k dollars). Or the IM L7 sedan, which had the chassis co-developed by Williams F1 team. Or the Roewe F7, BYD Seal, Aion Hyper GT, QiYuan A07, MG7, BYD HAN, Avatr 12, etc. I mean, these are just new sedans released in the last month or so. China is making so many new cars it's mindblowing, it's like they have 20 car companies competing who will release more new models, and every one I see looks amazing, fresh, technologically advanced, really well made, etc. Everything I see coming out in Europe is just crap on top of more crap, kitschy, no style, major brands throwing away what made them great, etc. I mean imagine the people who developed the E39 5 series for example looking at what BMW is doing now. They must be ashamed to be associated with BMW when they see the interiors of the new 5 series or 7 series for example. Can you imagine a serious adult man in a suit driving a new 7 series? Full of LED lights, fake crystals, etc. Bling bling over the top. It's like they're developing cars exclusively to feature in rapper music videos. It's like the people who taught the entire world how to build good cars forgot how to make even half-decent cars, and those who used to copy from us are now making 10x better cars.
@@derbigpr500Had a MG MARVEL R since August. Just changed for a Tesla Y. Worst electronic possible and chassi also nothing compared to europe standards. So for sure lots of bells from china cars...but live with it and you will see.
How many people drive over 300km in a day? Not many, a tiny percentage. Any more than that requires a stupidly massive battery and introduces more weight. Most people use a car for short trips or commuting to work and home again. The only people who really need crazy long range is taxi and delivery drivers or people who travel for work.
@@JpjpPlmdid you enjoy giving a far right extremist billionaire your money? He can use it to get Trump re-elected. That’ll be great for the world. Right?
Just like my Nissan LEAF it has the crazy "pull back for forward" & "push forward for reverse" drive selector. Somebody please explain why this is a thing. To me it's just plain crazy. However, if they fit the E-308 98kw/hr battery pack, it will have a real range of over 600km. THEN this car is a sure fire winner, because it makes it a superb Sales Rep car and a do-it-all family car. There are no compromises to be made with a 600km Family Estate car (except price of course).
what kills this cat is the fact that trunk space is prioritized over rear passenger room😶, they could just make it with more space for passengers then the seats can be folded if I need more luggage space .
I had few Peugeots 3008 (2019 year) and 508 (2021 year), very nice cars. after they change cockpit screen to 3D I got sick like watching 3D movies... so no more new Peugeots for me also expect some childish problems, like squeaks and rattles somewhere after 20k km :) didn`t had any major or warranty problems, but paint even premium one is very thin...
@@JeremyCarrington-ve5yp hello, I guess i didn`t find it during test... if it`s turntable off that's good! i really liked my 3008, super practical. 508 i disliked frameless windows during winter and ~ 12-13 cm of ground clearance, maybe less in front
I think the car is very overpriced compared to it's capabitilites and interior quality. and maybe it's only because of the tyres, but it's very noisy on the highway. (lack of noise insulation from the wheels)
Man, that 0-100 looked painfully slow. I dont get French Cars, the Design is growing on me, but the tech and especially performance is always such a let down.
They sacrificed all kind of percormance in terms of acceleration, speed and range for "saving money" and they put massaging seats... All of this for "just" 10k euros more than a Model 3 that is arguably is more practical and frankly on another level on every parameter of evaluation
Such small range is not ready for the future and the aging of the battery. Imagine the range of this car after 5 years of use and a slight butterfly degradation! This is definitely not sustainable for the life cycle of the vehicle which in this case is shorter than for a vehicle with a comfortable range
I have the same by hybrid and im very disappointed at this car, the infotainment is very unreliable (there have been times where it doesn’t work at all!!!) I can’t possibly say that I would trust the system in an electric. I’m just counting the days till the lease ends to return it 😅
So basically a 50K car with maximum 300km range with the pull of a tractor --- 10seconds, not a convincing package at all. You can get into Tesla model 3 / Y cheaper, which are faster and go further, and many other brands as well. Bad move Peugeot, with the exception of the design.
Cars like this show us that electric is just way too expensive. I think all this money put in evs should have gone into hybrid engine development. More sustainable and cheaper and way more realistic. Think even about 2nd hand when batteries get worse. Nah good looking car great review but this is not a good choice for the money.
All of you forget bigger battery more time to charge it you spend. In any aspect EV are no the best to do long journeys. Diesels are! And please forget the environmental arguments behind EVs as you should know that EV has to do about 80k to 100k kilometres before it becomes cleaner than it's IC equivalent. Should we forget battery recycling? Oh yes that is another uncomfortable subject. For me at the moment Hybrids make Sens.
I hate it that they are even speed limiting the EV’s. It’s a start to limit all cars automatically to the maximum speedlimits. I hate this trend. But tell me about the Einsitzhöhe.
It's just ridiculous the way they set the i-cockpit up. If you're tall, the steering wheel is either scraping your legs or blocking the screen behind it. Typical French design-over-function. Ruins a perfectly good car, imo.
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01:38 Rear design and top speed
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02:53 Frunk? Trunk / boot
04:22 Interior: doors and seats
05:17 Cockpit overview
07:05 Infotainment system
07:51 Rear seats
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Nice to see something that isn’t a compact suv.
Thanks for measuring trunks the old school way. It's much more useful to me than the volume in liters.
Best looking EV out there. I'm getting this one.
YES! Finally, I've been waiting for this car for so long, we sorely need affordable electric estates and especially one that looks this good! Looks like this will be my next car. Thank you for the review!
The MG5 is affordable, this is 9k more!
@@JohnScarrott I like the MG5 but they don't sell it here in Eastern Europe. There is no MG dealer network, no service network etc. Also Romania still has like 10k euro BEV grant so it won't be that expensive provided they bring it here.
@@neaorin only dissapoint is acceleration, my 1.2 "poortech" ;) is almost half second faster than electric version.
MG is owned by the Chinese Communist Party. Your money goes to the party. Nice. Security threat to the west. Supporter of Putin. Threat to Taiwan. Suppressor of Tibet and HK. Slave labour. Internment camps. Still....the MG is cheap. Ugh.
@@neaorinnow MG is available in Romania ;)
What a beautiful design, Peugeot really changed in the last 20 years, but also the price. 😅
Yea, Peugeot really changed. They used to make cars that people wanted and that weren't expensive. Now they make cars that people don't want and that are very expensive.
@@derbigpr500 exactly!!! used to be affordable value now its unaffordable and excentric more than citroen 45k euros for french golf? have we gone crazy?
Does they still rust like there is no toomorow?? Like they used to..
Peugeot is beautiful since 208 cameout, I'm choosing between Ford Fiesta, Polo & 208 instead I chose 208, & it was my first car
@@user-uq7io2os3rWhen would that have been? I've had a 309, 106 and 206 and can't confirm this.
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More estate please
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The design of the car is elegant and classy I love it. Both interior and exterior
The Stationwagon we have been waiting for - it's a bit funny that it had to be Peugeot who discovered that we actually just want a normal car but with the cheaper to run electrical engine. They nailed it completely with this one, especially because it is claimed to be very efficient as well as practical and good looking.
But then I discovered the fake exhausts 😲WTF Peugeot, that is just too daft-, I simply refuse to drive around looking that stupid, I will leave that to BMW EV drivers 🙂
Thought about that too. I would wrap the chrome "exhausts" is black, would make it look less in your face.
@@thomas.nd2 I might have to consider doing that as well because the car is just the right one for me otherwise
i must say, that the voice assistant at 19:40 is at another level!
way ahead of competition 👌🙃
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So... I wanted to fall asleep. Seems Thomas just made my new schedule for the evening 😅😅😅
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Ahaha enjoy 😄
Great funny and entertaining review as always Thomas.
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I love our e-208 and my 308GTi... this would be a serious upgrade consideration for me...
Very handsome! And the car looks good too. Kudos for matching your outfit to the car. Wish the angry kitty would come to USA.
Stellantis really need to start taking the EV market seriously if they want to compete, the combustion version of this car is great but this one for 50K, 200 miles range and 10s 0-100 is kind of a joke when you see what's out there in that price range.
Yeah that’s gonna be the new e-3008 coming next year, a new plattform that supports up to 98kwh battery also awd.
True. Nice car but only short range purpose is not enough for all buyers
@@danielstefanovic2604I agree that the new e-3008 looks more convincing on paper especially the 320hp AWD version, we will have to wait and see but this e-308 falls short unfortunately
@@danielstefanovic2604 But the e-3008 is an SUV rather than an estate?
@@idomaghic yes i know but that what sells
€50.000 is definitely not a good price for such category. For a VW ID4 you pay mayer 4-5.000 more, and now you get Skoda Enyaq for the 50.000. And needless to San that for less money you get a Tesla that has up to 550km range and full option
Ya its a decent price for the vehicle but not for the battery size
Every other option is better, maybe with the exception of the e:C4X that costs as much, crappy range and no interior space.
@@autogefuehl It is not. You have to realize that car prices in Europe are pretty much the same across all the Europe, but, average income of countries is not. Your average income, I presume you are German, is almost twice as it is in my country, so yes, for some of us 50.000€ is ALOT of money---for a Pegueot
Very nice design,, 👍🌟👍
Thank you Thomas.
I honestly don't understand who this car is targeting. At 50k they are competing with insanely good cars that just absolutely destroy this e-308. Efficiency at an average 45 km/h is also rather bad. What is wrong with the French?
great vehicle and review as always
Thanks 🙏
As always, a terrific, balanced review from you, Thomas and Team Autogefuehl - fab work 😎
As for range on this E308SW...
At least here in the UK - where our 'average motorway speed' was last recorded at a mere 59mph - a 200 mile range is about 3.5 hours' worth of motorway driving.
I'm pretty sure most people would want / need to take a comfort break at around 3 hours, so this would most likely do just fine for 99% of UK drivers - simply plug it in for those 30 minutes you're grabbing a coffee, something to eat and heading to the 'bathroom' and it'd be ready for another 3 hour slog...! 👍
0-60 in 10s is abysmal however, you'd think peugeot would move beyond being a slow car manufacturer with electric motors.
Cheers m8!
You have taking in consideration feedback that you got for the trunk chapter : good light, measuring every dimension and with luguagge, so we know exactly what fits in
Hi, Thomas new Electric estate! Peugeot e-308 SW it's very cool and impressed!
Really nice. The door closing sound is perfect and I can easily imagine the pleasant and relaxing ride. I see it as a very good choice, it's beautiful, elegant and not demanding or imposing, the way to go.
The indicator sounds like the beat of a techno song.
Great review as ever Thomas I would like to try the electric or hybrid 308 I’ve got the petrol 1.2 130 version and would love to see the difference
The design is a work of art and something different
I think the I cockpit works well for me and I find it comfortable the biggest thing for me was getting used to the auto transmission as in the UK you can’t get manual on the 308 now
While the battery might be a bit on the low end (more reasonable size for the car would probably be 60-70 kWh), the real deal-breaker for me is really the lack of proper fast charging; with 200kW or at least 150kW you'd probably get those 10-80% stops down to 15-20mins, which makes a world of difference if you occasionally want to do a longer trip.
Space-wise, the priority order of "front seats" > "luggage" > "rear seats" seem like a very rational order for the European market where we've got mostly decent public transport (i.e. it should be rare that you've got 4 adult sized people in a car for any extended distances). It definitely fits my situation at least.
The 10s "sprint" time is also bit too much of a crawl; max 7s is where most entry level EVs seem to converge (and is somewhat of my personal limit), but if that was the only drawback, I might have accepted it for its other benefits (non-SUV, relatively good loading space, most essential controls seem to be on physical buttons).
Hi Thomas. Nice test and production, as always! I've driven the PHEV versions of 308/Astra, and recognize much of what you express.
You said Zeekr 001 and ID.7 Tourer could be alternatives to the 308 SW: The ID.7 T is not on the market yet, but the NIO ET5 Touring is. Did you forget that beautiful car? :)
With BaaS, it actually costs €2,500 less than the e-308 SW (approx €50' vs €47.5'). For that difference, you get "free" BaaS 75 kWh for 15 months (even longer if you include interest), as well as better range, AWD/faster car, faster charging/swap, 5 star Euro NCAP 2023 and more equipment/way better tech.
In my eyes, that offers good value, sustainability and also the important fact that you can quickly swap the battery and upgrade to 100 kWh (560 km WLTP) when you're on longer trips (no need for a "second car"). Looking forward to your test of the NIO ET5 Touring :) We all know you love Nomi.
Thanks 🙏 yeah ET5 Touring but their prices at least in Germany are ridiculous. U need to buy/lease the battery surplus… unless u get that special offer or smth
Thanks for your reply :) Ridiculously expensive? Isn't the MSRP of ET5T 47,5' € in Germany? 2,5' € less than e-308 SW? Yes, you have to "BaaS", if that's a verb, but with the price difference between the two models, you can BaaS 15 months "for free", and even 17-18 months if you factor in interest expense. That's a fair price assessment between the models, and IMO a NIO is worth a bit more than just another Peugeot/off the Stellantis shelf.
i consider peugeot a luxury brand in the last 10 years
their design team is on steroids
well done peugeot
Its a shame Peugeot dindt make this more like a familiy car. By this is mean a car with at least 65kwh battery and the capability to go on longer trips without too many chargingstops. Hoping they fix this, still being able to keep the driving fun and price down :)
I immediately want one
Wish they had done PSE versions of the 308
I recently drove petrol version and no doubt it was fun little car. Not boring like VW group vehicles.
Renault and especially Peugeot really dropped the ball in the early 2000s and produced some of the worst looking and crappiest cars, it's good to see both of them (especially Renault with the Megane and Austral) putting out cool looking models again!
I woud chose old ones (106, 206, 306, 406) with old engines than your modern "cool looking" models.
@@hiamaraldvaan7221jesus what a dumb take
Very nice. EV estate would be the dream.
Nice to see it actually hitting the 200mile range. That would cover basically 95% of most people's driving.
I wish it had some kind of scout/cross country GT version.
I want a car like this! Not a high riding SUV! Also station wagons look a lot slimmer, sleeker and sexier than tall, fat SUVs. Also I can easily wash roofs of station wagons.
About damn time
The car itself looks great and would suit me down to the ground if it wasn’t for the limited range and acceleration. I do a lot of miles for work and visiting family which my standard range Tesla M3 manages fine on UK roads, but I could use the boot space of an estate. I was hoping this would be the car to bridge that massive gap in the market but here’s hoping the 508SW EV is a more practical offering or a BMW 3 series estate EV
Like the car. Price seems high.
A 140 mile real work all year range is just not enough, more and more people are demanding long range 200-300 mile real world , it doesn’t matter if they drive it or not it’s about range and degradation anxiety, or in the eyes if many irs a non starter, evs must have the same range as petrol equivalents or more people don’t convert or resist substandard ev equivalents regardless of what politicians want
I really hope you also check the sound system. alteaslt just listen to a bit. We buy these cars for everyday driving.
Cheers mate
Great car! They've really come a long way. I just find that the dashboard is too high for me, I'd rather have lower window lines so I can see out better.
More Palpatine references :) The accent certainly puts a different spin on it
If Peugeot offered a traditional steering wheel the would sell more cars… 40/20/40 rear split is a very welcome addition.
Rear passengers have less space than in ID3, uff :-) Great review, nice car, but missing the power a space :-)
Great looking exterior and nice and spacious boot.
But that price for a non ground up EV with only 50kwh battery?
Disappointing
Hey Thomas,
This is a bit funny, because Peugeot announced recently the new e-3008 with a whooping 98 kWh battery at almost the same price range, if not just a tiny bit higher.
It seems to be a bad joke nowadays that so many manufacturers don't provide the good old hatchback and estate versions with decent battery sizes, instead they go up the inefficiency ladder by building only CUV/SUVs with electric-only powertrain.
Yeah. 3008 more promising, we ll test that spring next year
I was interested up until the rear seat legroom. And I love the way you say Peugeot.
Thats how the french also pronounce it 😎
@@autogefuehl So much better. In the UK we emphasise the first syllable. I prefer the emphasis on the second syllable.
Hi, Thomas,
When doing the boot measurement test, could you also give the height from the boot floor to the load cover?
All in all it seems like a gery nice car, but with a couple of faults.
No towing capability. If MG can give a 500kg unbraked for its smaller vehicles, why not Peugeot? Everybody needs to go to the recycling centre with something bigger than the boot can take, every now and again.
That battery does seem a bit too small. 55kwh useable would be better for a one-car family.
Price is also a bit too high.
It certainly seems to be aiming more at quality than mass market, which costs of course, but that price, with the small-ish battery and no towing, for what, otherwise seems like a very nice vehicle, is going to restrict sales.
Especially with the Chinese vehicles coming into Europe right now.
Nice car, good information from a first drive. You tell us the things we need to know for day to day usefulness.
Keep up the good work!🙂
Hey, that indicator sounds just like the tiktok sound in Pink Floyd's song Time.
Can you review the hongqi ev suv?
i ll see what I can do !
Can’t imagine any informed person would buy this car. So many cars have a better value for the same price. Almost seems like Stellantis doesn’t want to sell electric cars
Really great review! I have the 180HP SW hybrid with GT trim and indeed, the seats massage is great (and heated). I personally don't have the issue with the view on the speedo. I suppose it depends on the morphology.
I like using the B mode when alone as I play with the throttle to do the most of braking. But with passengers I indeed switch to normal mode. Regarding the electric range, officially it should be between 50 and 60km, but in real world with colder temperature I get only 32km range (and 4.3l/100 on fuel). I often do long highway trips or very short electric trips to school/shops so that might also play a role.
I sometime use the pre-heating which is a great feature! There is a schedule mode but I found it uses 10% of the battery, manually starting it 15min before driving uses little battery and the cars is nicely heated.
I did not tested the car in summer yet, but I hope the electric range will be more towards 60km as it would really meet my needs.
I don't bother the look of somewhat "fake exhaust", instead I do dislike the fog/rear drive lights in the rear bumper. They really do not match the sportiness of the rear. Therefore I'm planning to wrap these in a darker color.
The hybrid This is a great daily driver, well insulated and a real pleasure to drive (compared to the Seat Leon or VW T-ROC I drove in recent years). I suppose this e-308 is very similar drive (but slower).
If the battery would be around 70KWh and with higher charging speed, it would be really tempting. But the BYD Seal I recently tested is at around the same price and would be my choice (unfortunately there is no estate, or will there be?). I know the software in the BYD is not finished yet but they are really upgrading it very fast).
thanks for the feedback ! :)
I have the same, and since may. The electric range wont improve much during summer, i got tops 45km of electric range. With a relaxing driving, no high speed etc.
@@Alejandro-nu4rk Thanks for sharing your experience. That's not very encouraging to hear that. I also tried to be very gentle, turn off heating, and so on. It helps but not that much and a huge sacrifice in comfort. Hopefully the battery capacities will increase in the coming years and that they even would offer a battery upgrade. For that last I am surely dreaming.
56km maximum range here in summer on optimal conditions - Allure Pack Edition with 17" wheels.
Not sure if I like this one. The popular estates are the Diesel ones because theyre brilliant for people who drive a lot and this is an estate without much long trip viability.
Thanks!👍
One thing you forgot to mention is the lack of trailer hitch, which makes this a total nogo as we only have one car here at home.
I think it looks very peugeot ish, which is a good thing, i own a diesel 308 from 2019 today, and was looking forward to upgrading to electric, but i find the range its biggest lack. Dont understand how they can announce an e3008 with 700km range to come soon when a 308 estate which is supposed to be the family car, only has realistic 320km range...back to the drawing board Peugeot. Also the price is WAY to high for what it offers. In my humble opinion.
Leida again. You love that area, don't you? :)
Beautiful!
Great review and nice car but Stellantis price too high in the UK. I bought a BMW M118 cheaper than I could get a 308 or Astra.
thanks! oh wow
320km isn’t horrible, but this is exactly the problem with evs. How are we going to drive long distances when all cars go electric? You have to worry about efficiency, charging stations, deprecation of the battery and so on. Overall the design is very beautiful, aside from the warning chime 😅.
Isn't it obvious how you drive long distances? You plan your charging spots before you leave, you charge when you stop for toilet and refreshment breaks, its really easy when you engage your brain before your right foot. If you follow safety advice you will stop every 2-3 hours for a 20 minute break, and you will charge up during those breaks. Driving longer distances is the reason people zone out and crash, killing themselves and passengers. Driving without taking toilet breaks risks pressure building up in your kidneys, damaging them permanently.
@@JohnScarrott ill be on the road within 2 min of refueling..
150hp, 9 seconds 0-100, less than 300km range in a small car basically. All that for 50000 euros. LMAO can you see why people aren't rushing into Peugeots dealerships? No wonder European car industry is dying. We're doomed. We're 10 years behind China in terms of tech already, and basically every normal EV made in Europe is useless and overpriced.
But the Citroen e-C3 is coming next year. Until now there is no chinese car in europe that is better at this price point. Don't know if they make money with this car. Later there will be ID2 and Renault 5. Hope that competition works and still the european car maker survive.
@@stscon I'd rather take a bus than drive something like a e-C3. Give me a break with these toy cars. I want a proper serious car that's an EV without looking like it was designed by 9 year olds. That's the problem in Europe, the designers don't realize that an electric car doesn't have to look like a stereotypical EV concept car from the 90's. Make a car that looks like a normal car and that's also an EV. Like they're doing in China. It's staggering and I can't believe I'm saying this, but China is currently the only country in the world that understands what makes a good EV car. It's like they're the only ones employing car guys in the car industry, and everyone else is just employing, I don't know, randoms to fill in the quota of inclusiveness in terms of types of people in the work force, instead of employing people who know what they're doing. It's like everything is on their priority list except actually making good cars.
Why can't anyone in Europe make a car like the Nio ET5? Or the Geely Galaxy L6. Or the IM LS6 (800hp for 40k dollars). Or the IM L7 sedan, which had the chassis co-developed by Williams F1 team. Or the Roewe F7, BYD Seal, Aion Hyper GT, QiYuan A07, MG7, BYD HAN, Avatr 12, etc. I mean, these are just new sedans released in the last month or so. China is making so many new cars it's mindblowing, it's like they have 20 car companies competing who will release more new models, and every one I see looks amazing, fresh, technologically advanced, really well made, etc. Everything I see coming out in Europe is just crap on top of more crap, kitschy, no style, major brands throwing away what made them great, etc. I mean imagine the people who developed the E39 5 series for example looking at what BMW is doing now. They must be ashamed to be associated with BMW when they see the interiors of the new 5 series or 7 series for example. Can you imagine a serious adult man in a suit driving a new 7 series? Full of LED lights, fake crystals, etc. Bling bling over the top. It's like they're developing cars exclusively to feature in rapper music videos.
It's like the people who taught the entire world how to build good cars forgot how to make even half-decent cars, and those who used to copy from us are now making 10x better cars.
@@derbigpr500Had a MG MARVEL R since August. Just changed for a Tesla Y.
Worst electronic possible and chassi also nothing compared to europe standards.
So for sure lots of bells from china cars...but live with it and you will see.
How many people drive over 300km in a day? Not many, a tiny percentage. Any more than that requires a stupidly massive battery and introduces more weight.
Most people use a car for short trips or commuting to work and home again. The only people who really need crazy long range is taxi and delivery drivers or people who travel for work.
@@JpjpPlmdid you enjoy giving a far right extremist billionaire your money? He can use it to get Trump re-elected. That’ll be great for the world. Right?
Just like my Nissan LEAF it has the crazy "pull back for forward" & "push forward for reverse" drive selector.
Somebody please explain why this is a thing. To me it's just plain crazy.
However, if they fit the E-308 98kw/hr battery pack, it will have a real range of over 600km. THEN this car is a sure fire winner, because it makes it a superb Sales Rep car and a do-it-all family car.
There are no compromises to be made with a 600km Family Estate car (except price of course).
More expensive than model 3 with 100 miles less range. Very hard sell
It's looks beautiful, still expensive and drives slow... I don't think it's still worth the price.
I built one on the website and it cost me 650k... better going Tesla Y when talking that money
what kills this cat is the fact that trunk space is prioritized over rear passenger room😶, they could just make it with more space for passengers then the seats can be folded if I need more luggage space .
The fact that you can't see the instrument panel properly is so ridiculous. It would drive me mad!!
Yet it causes me no problems at all. My new 2008 is a delightful car in almost all areas including the dashboard view.
This is a good car it ticks all of the boxes. It’s a shame it’ll be written of in 5 years.
I had few Peugeots 3008 (2019 year) and 508 (2021 year), very nice cars. after they change cockpit screen to 3D I got sick like watching 3D movies... so no more new Peugeots for me
also expect some childish problems, like squeaks and rattles somewhere after 20k km :) didn`t had any major or warranty problems, but paint even premium one is very thin...
Isn't 3D display an 'changable' feature?
It is in my 308.
I have the 3D display turned off.
@@JeremyCarrington-ve5yp hello, I guess i didn`t find it during test... if it`s turntable off that's good! i really liked my 3008, super practical. 508 i disliked frameless windows during winter and ~ 12-13 cm of ground clearance, maybe less in front
Que buena auto
Its not bad but the price
I think the car is very overpriced compared to it's capabitilites and interior quality. and maybe it's only because of the tyres, but it's very noisy on the highway. (lack of noise insulation from the wheels)
EVs range stats should include winter as well, because it is 30% less 😆
Well it is just take away that 30%… so 200km in winter… not bad for city car…
Man, that 0-100 looked painfully slow.
I dont get French Cars, the Design is growing on me, but the tech and especially performance is always such a let down.
They sacrificed all kind of percormance in terms of acceleration, speed and range for "saving money" and they put massaging seats... All of this for "just" 10k euros more than a Model 3 that is arguably is more practical and frankly on another level on every parameter of evaluation
Why can't they use a normal steering wheel
I’m sorry, €50,000 is expensive for this car
Such small range is not ready for the future and the aging of the battery. Imagine the range of this car after 5 years of use and a slight butterfly degradation! This is definitely not sustainable for the life cycle of the vehicle which in this case is shorter than for a vehicle with a comfortable range
Thx for interesting video, btw your Michelle should shave a bit as all AI do this times 😉😂👍
I have the same by hybrid and im very disappointed at this car, the infotainment is very unreliable (there have been times where it doesn’t work at all!!!) I can’t possibly say that I would trust the system in an electric.
I’m just counting the days till the lease ends to return it 😅
So basically a 50K car with maximum 300km range with the pull of a tractor --- 10seconds, not a convincing package at all. You can get into Tesla model 3 / Y cheaper, which are faster and go further, and many other brands as well. Bad move Peugeot, with the exception of the design.
If it wasn't for the electronics, it would be the most reliable french car.
Edit: that range is dogcrap
Cars like this show us that electric is just way too expensive. I think all this money put in evs should have gone into hybrid engine development. More sustainable and cheaper and way more realistic. Think even about 2nd hand when batteries get worse. Nah good looking car great review but this is not a good choice for the money.
All of you forget bigger battery more time to charge it you spend. In any aspect EV are no the best to do long journeys. Diesels are!
And please forget the environmental arguments behind EVs as you should know that EV has to do about 80k to 100k kilometres before it becomes cleaner than it's IC equivalent. Should we forget battery recycling? Oh yes that is another uncomfortable subject.
For me at the moment Hybrids make Sens.
8.01 0 to 60
That is certainty a nice design but to my eyes would look even better with larger wheels.
I prefer the ev front end better aerodynamic as no intercooler
It nicely illustrates stupidity od creating station wagon for city driving.
The passenger side of the dashboard is needlessly ugly and a waste of space. They need to employ some Italian designers!
I hate it that they are even speed limiting the EV’s. It’s a start to limit all cars automatically to the maximum speedlimits. I hate this trend. But tell me about the Einsitzhöhe.
It's just ridiculous the way they set the i-cockpit up. If you're tall, the steering wheel is either scraping your legs or blocking the screen behind it. Typical French design-over-function. Ruins a perfectly good car, imo.
To expensive, poor performance and mediocre range.
I’d much rather buy a used Etron for half the price, faster and flatter charging curve too
My parents said I’d inherit an estate. I hope it’s not one of these 😂
Who designs a steering wheel with such a terrible positioning ? What's going on here ?
Decent looking car. Shame it is an EV. 200 mile range is pathetic.
Sw is okey but not with ev. 😂