HUGE thanks to the automakers and individuals who helped make this happen! Please check out the participants below. Matt Linn: @mattlinn01 Ioniq Guy: www.youtube.com/@TheIoniqGuy Out of Spec Dave: www.youtube.com/@outofspecdave1554 Roaming Norway: www.youtube.com/@RoamingNorway Jordan Golson: www.youtube.com/@prndlcars The Simple Sarah: www.youtube.com/@thesimplesarah Drive Electric with Domenick: www.youtube.com/@DriveElectricWithDomenick Aging Wheels: www.youtube.com/@agingwheels Gjeebs: www.youtube.com/@Gjeebs Alex EV Repair: www.youtube.com/@AlexEVRepair Rivian Updates: www.youtube.com/@rivianupdates WatchJRGo: www.youtube.com/@Gjeebs Andyzegerman: www.youtube.com/@andyzegerman Mike Gilbert: twitter.com/mkg254 Dan Camp: twitter.com/spotted_model?lang=en Shane Linblom: twitter.com/ShaneLindblom Adam Daily: twitter.com/1adamdaily/ Andreas: x.com/andrewstilin?lang=en Tom Suburbs: twitter.com/IAmSuburban
Thank you to everyone who joined, thank you to all of the automakers who supported this series by providing the cars, and thank you to the viewers for making this even possible! Of course, amazing job to Jordan for editing this whole series! This was not an easy task. 🙌⚡️
You guys almost did an EV Le Mans (Audi in 2010 did a total of ~5400km or 3355 miles) and definitely has its epic ups and downs. Thank you for hosting this
Thank you so much for having me, Kyle. You are a great person to roadtrip with. So many great people, and so many great stories from Chris! An adventure I won’t forget, I had so much fun in the i7. You truly get to experience a car doing this 🔥
To refresh Davids previous comment on here. Every team was in it to win it and we all made collective decisions on our strategies. If you pay close attention there are other teams beside the team Lucid getting close to the 0% state of charge. Giving Dave Alex and Shane crap for doing so seems to be easy, in fact that tow truck could have been coming for any of us. For anybody feeling they would have done a better job, I say, bring it. The route started in Seattle at the Starbucks headquarters and ended at the USS Constitution in Boston at the peer. Use your car, rent a car, have a team of 3-4 drivers (safety first, very important) and record your drive. Beat the times we all logged and claim the your rank. I personally could not be happier having had the opportunity to participate in this race and meet the most amazing EV enthusiast. Dave, Alex, Shane you rock!
@@andyzegerman i was critical in my comment and my bad this inspired me to road trip from Minnesota to California since were moving cross country with my model 3 long range. Thank you
What a race! Worth the wait. Special thanks to all the team! As one of the few Electrified G80 owners, it was nice to see one in the race. It makes you do the math!!!!
Have you done any road trips in your G80? I was originally casted for the Genesis but last minute changes put me in the Plaid. I was actually looking forward to drive it.
@ Yes: 2 road trips. Now that I know how to use the car I have no issues. Funny I took delivery 45 days before the prices dropped on The Plaid. I went to trade it with 5K miles on it & they only wanted to give me $47K for it. Car was $81K. So I’m looking at a Plaid with track pack next year.
So glad that an ICE car and the original Model S was included. It's good for us to be honest about how fast EVs really roadtrip compared to ICE. But it's also great to see how far we've come from 10 years ago.
@@hardywoodaway9912 it's realistic test for cannon ball run😂 but yeah most people sleep and stop to eat in between so the time difference would have been much smaller.
@hardywoodaway9912 This video is perfect for all those YT comments saying how they can drive for 3 days nonstop without sleep, toilet, and snack breaks in their ICE, and that EVs will never catch on. This video definitely proves that the technology is getting closer.
@@hardywoodaway9912 You missed the whole point of the race and test. This was never about how people actually drive, but rather to have a race without stopping on the same exact route using the same rules to show how far we've come in just 10 years of modern EV's. That the Taycan was only 2 hours behind the ICE Acura, but the Old Model S was 19 hours behind says it all. It's a night and day difference in evolution over a very short period of time.
As a European, I am shocked at the state of disrepair of the charging stations, and the ridiculous number of these stations. I didn't think America was that far behind. (the law in my country is that each car park with more than 20 spaces must have a charging point every 20 spaces)
Sad part? It is about fall even harder behind as the rest of the world progresses towards more EVs while the new US government will cancel their EV incentives and subsidies in favour of oil again. Even bigger kick in the pants is the CEO of Tesla is BACKING this change.
@@danielzhang1916 You can give him a pass on the 2nd F-150 Lightning race, but not on the 1st one when they purposely took it down to basically 0% percent. And even the 2nd one you're talking about wasn't that far from 0%. There's no reason not to stop and charge when you're down to 10%, and not stay longer when you're still getting high rates of charge. That mentality has to stop.
This is really awesome! My wife who doesn't watch was hooked. She said that you should do an suv version. This is what you use for road tripping anyway.
They did one from Colorado to Las Vegas and back. On the way there it was do what you want and on the way back everyone had to follow the route planned. It was pretty good
Good job using the Ioniq 6 so well! I think like they say at the end, the Ioniq 6 could actually be better than the Tesla Model 3 long range if it were given more highway-accessible charging stops. It's almost like even the reduced rate the Ioniq 6 would get on Superchargers would be worth it for the much reduced paths from the highway to the chargers, and better selection of locations...
As a Hyundai/Genesis owner, you guys represented extremely well! Well done! My next car will most likely be an Ionic 6 or EV6 once they update the charge plugs to Tesla network
To all the folks giving Team Lucid a hard time for running out; it easily could have been literally any of us. We were all playing close to the edge in that respect during this trip. It comes hand in hand with trying to optimize your charging. Which is what this challenge is about. Dave, Alex and Shane are great dudes and made the best choices they could with the information they had. - David (Team Taycan)
One thing I’ve learned is you can only use the buffer a handful of times until the BMS catches on to your shenanigans, that’s why you can’t trust the BMS
Dave REALLY has a bad habit of leaning into the buffer of EVs far after 0% battery and then doesn't own up to it after consecutive DC fast charges throws any BMS out of balance. It was to be expected when they kept pushing the Lucid farther and farther into the negatives.
Correct, and then passing by 350kW chargers right by the highway because they were "too high a state of charge" at 14% left. The "Out of Charge Dave" new moniker is well deserved. This is the 3rd time he's run out on 3 different races.
A great series. It is interesting that the lower cost Tesla and Ionic blew out the Mercedes, BMW and Lucid. It was also interesting that once again Dave ran out of juice. So how many is this Dave? Is it easier pushing a Lucid than a Lightning? Still, I give you all credit for exploring the edge of technology. You are the pathfinders of the electrification era.
That was amazing, I loved every second of the race. Great job guys . I have learned so much about these cars and performances. It was just amazing. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Love Christopher Washington state
Great video I watched all 4 all the way through. No fast forward. I love you chose I 90 . I also love that the taycan won my favorite car if I had the money . Great that william came all the way from Norway . If Tesla bjorn didn’t have kids now it would have been cool to have him with william . It was hard to wait all week for each installment but I know Jordan did his best to get it out .
Less than 5% difference between the Acura and the Taycan, that's amazing! Shows that EVs are within ~5 years of parity with ICE cars for road tripping. It'll be interesting to see how long until they reach parity while towing. I thought we were probably a decade out, but the new GM products are beasts, maybe it isn't that far away. Also comparing the times of the Taycan and the old Model S it shows that road tripping time has improved by almost 30%. Wow! Also, we should give a shout out to EA, they have come so far in the last 3 years. They still have a ways to go, but the lack of problem in this video was a massive improvement over what we used to see. It used to be that you had to be concerned about being able to charge at all at EA stations. Now, it seems you're almost guaranteed to get some charge, it might be slower than you hoped, but you aren't stranded. And most of the time the EA stations performed as expected. They've put in a lot of hard work and I think they deserve some kudos.
Realistically, they are even closer. This was a cannonball run, from first hand experience, a normal road trip in a new model 3 is as smooth and careless as butter. I can imagine Tycan doing even better and Ioniq 6 being just as good...
How on earth do you get only 30% better from the old Model S? How is 17 hours behind the Taycan 30% from the 46 hours of the Taycan? That math makes the old Model S 37% slower than the Taycan. Just the 17 hours faster on the Taycan, and the Taycan's mere 2 hours slower than the ICE Acura over 3,000 plus miles, is a mind boggling improvement in basically only a decade.
Did you even watch the first episode where the Acura fools farted around, stopping to go through drive-through's? If they would have paid attention to Kyle's instructions and made their stops as abbreviated as the EV's they would have finished hours and hours ahead of the Taycan.
@@kjorg9755 They wasted a half hour at the most. If you followed the race after that, you could see that they simply could not shake the Taycan no matter what. Keep in mind that the Taycan stops were mostly 11 to 12 minutes long. Not too far off from pumping gas. And I can see how that scares a lot of people out there.
Such a cool series! I think it’s worth mentioning that disregarding the ACURA and Taycan, the top 4 cars arrived within an hour of each other, that’s nothing for an almost 50 hour trip. It’s comforting to know that you can get a good deal without spending 100K. The Lucid could have probably ended in the same bracket as these if things had gone smoothly.
Thanks, everyone! Great trip begging to end. I think the single biggest takeway from this run is that the charging infrastructure might no longer be the limiting factor in terms of long-distance road tripping anymore. The consistent availability of 250-300 kW charging means that most of the EVs were getting as much power as they were asking for for as long as they could accept it. An EV with slightly better range and consistent charging power similar to the Taycan's would easily keep pace with the Acura. The driver is quickly becoming the real bottleneck.
I knew buying an Ioniq 6 was a good buy. I might be taking it from SoCal to Austin Texas next week - and have to keep reminding myself I won't be racing, so charging deep isn't an issue. Relax. :)
That Porsche 🥵 Props to Tesla though… The Plaid was way closer to the Lucid for most of this race than people online would tell you, but that Model 3 🫡 Can’t wait for new Model Y. Would be curious to see how the new Model Y, Macan and other crossovers/SUVs perform on the I-90 Surge. Let me know if you need a driver 😉
@@revaddict Earlier this year Tesla have the option to transfer free supercharging to a new car, but my 2014 MS still drive perfectly fine so I'm keeping it as long as possible.
Comparing my Volvo 2015 XC60 gas car to my Model Y, which replaced the XC60, I find there's only about a 25 minute difference on a 500 mile road trip I've done a few times. Not too bad. Of course the longer the road trip, the longer the time gap.
People might only road trip 1-2 times a year and the other 50 weeks they are commuting or traveling locally. Allowing for a 5 minute gasoline fill up per week, thats over 4 hours per year. An EV charging at home might actually out perform gas over a year’s time. Not even counting oil change or emissions testing time. Obviously every situation varies.
BMW might be fine for an ordinary person road trip since you would level 2 AC charge overnight at the hotel after 400-600 miles of driving during the day, and that could reset the DC charging counter.
But why would anyone put up with such a stupid limitation on a car that costs this much? The weird thing is people who buy that car are highly unlikely to worry about battery capacity 10 years after purchase - they’re rich and won’t even keep that car for such a long time where battery degradation is even noticeable.
I only admire the old Tesla Model S, because without it none of the other electric cars would exist and 100% of drivers today would still be poisoning the environment with their combustion engines.🚗💨💨💨😝🤷♂️🙋♂️
I drive a Tesla S 90D in the Scottish Highlands but looking to come to the US to do a road trip with possibly a Tesla from Hertz to cover Seattle, Las Vegas and probably a fair bit of the Pacific coast. Watching this has given a great insight into how the charging network is in the US, so many thanks from this side of the pond! :)
Great job to everyone! Loved watching all the videos. It would be great to see the total stats: total miles each car drove. Total number of charge stops, and gas stops for Acura. Total charge time each car. Total gas used by Acura. Total estimated CO2 from each vehicle based on average CO2 to generate kw of power. I estimated the Acura averaged 25 mpg = 126 gal = 2,200 lbs CO2. Looks like the EVs used between 827 - 1,162 Kw which estimated to be 708 - 827 lbs CO2. This is another primary reason why people buy EVs is better for environment from GHG emissions stand point so if it takes a few more hrs on a cross county trip so be it. This race shows how far EVs and infrastructure has come in past few years. Still improvements to be made but you can go anywhere in US now driving an EV. Regarding the Lucid, disappointing! When you have the range king stop hitting a charge station every 200 miles or so and short charging stations. That team could have eliminated 3 hrs easy if the did longer charge session and longer distances between stops. Lucid and Tycon should have been neck and neck with Lucid possibly winning. You guys are the EV experts and you always regress to short distance charge hoping and waste a lot of time in the process.
Great job - Out of SpecTeam! Taking aside the Porsche which just blew all other EVs off - the M3, I6, Plaid, EQS and the Lucid (if the team would have thought more and less talked) are actually within an hour!! And most surprising to me that it looks like the EQS is the hidden winner in that race, as what do you want really? - don’t care about changing (flat at 200kw), each leg 300+ miles, amazing comfortable, efficient, big battery and one even gets the right trunk opening! Overall great job from the teams - thumbs up 👍
Such a great test thanks to all. The real interesting car was the taycan how much it was ahead. So just playing things out perhaps 5 years from evs have 150kwh battery. Tesla have v4 chargers at 500kw. So if that charging speed can be maintained to 50% of the pack that's a 5 min charge to drive 300 miles assuming 4 miles per kwh. That's as fast as the gas car.
1:55:13 "Risk takers own the world, maybe just not today." No truer words have been spoken. I've taken strategic risks in my life, some made out big, others not so much.
Wow wow wow! I've watched EVERY minute of this roadtrip. Thank you sooo much for this entertainment! You're awesome people. I live in germany and we own a BMW ix3 and a VW ID.4 GTX. So I have some experience. We do a lot of long trips as well but .. maaan ... 3000 miles is beyond imagination. Would be fun to see the current BMW i4 in the next roadtrip. Concerning the BMW charging performance: Our ix3 never disapoints, charging is very relaible and consistent. So, BMW generally knows how to manage good charging.
TLDR: Model 3 is a performance/value beast. Other side notes: - Hyundai would be a close second - but should rely on Tesla's superchargers for peace of mind. - Used 10 year old Model S still a champ today.
@@overnightclassic2 I think one of the recent updates was an improved V4 cabinet, which helps Hyundai and others as well: "Today, we're announcing the V4 Cabinet - capable of delivering up to 500kW for cars and 1.2MW for Semi." "Faster charging: Supports 400V-1000V vehicle architectures, including 30% faster charging for Cybertruck. S3XY vehicles enjoy 250kW charge rates they already experience on V3 Cabinet - charging up to 200 miles in 15 minutes." (Source: Tesla on X) So Tesla's working on improving this network for everyone involved.
@@overnightclassic2 Google filter wont let me post more details, but Tesla's recent update to V4 cabinets addresses this limitation of V3 cabinets moving forward: "Today, we're announcing the V4 Cabinet - capable of delivering up to 500kW for cars and 1.2MW for Semi ... Supports 400V-1000V vehicle architectures, including 30% faster charging for Cybertruck"
Surprised by the relatively poor 3.3 miles/kWh Efficiency of the Lucid! It is supposed to be their thing, but the Model 3 was a full 13% better at 3.8, sure it is smaller but still pretty crazy!
That's mainly because of the RWD engine of the Model 3. In general you lose about 10-20% efficiency by using two engines/4WD. The drag coefficient is about the same and the size as well
I kind of wish we had gotten real efficiency numbers. the car's computers are not always accurate. would have been nice to have taken actual kwh charged + initial charge - remaining charge level to calc the efficiency rather than take the cars word for it.
@@Lor-dn1vzthat would have been relying on the same in car data you are saying you don't trust. For miles and for kWh consumed. We can't use kWh sent from the chargers due to charging losses. This is the best data you're gonna have available in a non-lab context.
What a great video documenting the experience of long-distance EV travel in the USA. I'm curious if any of these EVs, like the expensive Porsche, will still be able to keep up with the EVs offered for sale in ten years time. I-90 Surge Race in the year 2034!
Thanks for putting this all together. I am sure the hours sitting in the editing booth syncing everything together must've been a nightmare. It is cool to see how far EVs have come since the OG Tesla days, and how far some manufacturers (BMW, looking at you with your dumb DC counter.. seriously Germans WTF..) still have to go.
Welcome to Charlestown, Boston! Next…Boston to Portland Via Route 20. Get the best of the best and test the secondary roads and each team’s resources fullness!
Great video as always guys. Would have loved to see the driving cost between 1st and 2nd place. Way to go lil model 3 ❤. Tough luck for the Lucid,nobody expected that.
A really important question that was not answered… 😅 What was the total “downtime” of the Lucid? And adjusting for that time, where would it have ended up?
Really, really interesting to see how a significant slice of different EV’s performed over an extended road trip. Porsche has really upped the ante with their combined efficiency/battery size and most all their repeated incredible charging performance, which really sets a new standard in my view. Tesla Model 3 was great, however they now need to up their own charging performance going forward, it is too slow. On my own 2023 Model Y perf road trips I’m often charging for 40-50mins every stop, to get sufficient range and buffer for the next leg. To me Lucid, who always squawk the loudest of their supposed superior tech and efficiency and BMW were the great under performers. Well done guys I found it a fantastic insight on EV road tripping! 🎉
The old Tesla should have been given at least an 8 hour head start so they didn't show up at 4am. My gut says the Acura was the cheapest if it avg 26mpg and gas is $3/gallon, but the model 3 was probably close.
Thank you for the content and real world testing. I do a cross country trip every year in my Model 3. (2019 LR) next year will be in my new 2024 Model 3 Performance.
HUGE thanks to the automakers and individuals who helped make this happen! Please check out the participants below.
Matt Linn: @mattlinn01
Ioniq Guy: www.youtube.com/@TheIoniqGuy
Out of Spec Dave: www.youtube.com/@outofspecdave1554
Roaming Norway: www.youtube.com/@RoamingNorway
Jordan Golson: www.youtube.com/@prndlcars
The Simple Sarah: www.youtube.com/@thesimplesarah
Drive Electric with Domenick: www.youtube.com/@DriveElectricWithDomenick
Aging Wheels: www.youtube.com/@agingwheels
Gjeebs: www.youtube.com/@Gjeebs
Alex EV Repair: www.youtube.com/@AlexEVRepair
Rivian Updates: www.youtube.com/@rivianupdates
WatchJRGo: www.youtube.com/@Gjeebs
Andyzegerman: www.youtube.com/@andyzegerman
Mike Gilbert: twitter.com/mkg254
Dan Camp: twitter.com/spotted_model?lang=en
Shane Linblom: twitter.com/ShaneLindblom
Adam Daily: twitter.com/1adamdaily/
Andreas: x.com/andrewstilin?lang=en
Tom Suburbs: twitter.com/IAmSuburban
How much did the trip cost per vehicle?
Don’t forget me! 🤣. @mattlinn01
Thank you to everyone who joined, thank you to all of the automakers who supported this series by providing the cars, and thank you to the viewers for making this even possible!
Of course, amazing job to Jordan for editing this whole series! This was not an easy task. 🙌⚡️
What an amazing series!! The best one yet!!
I can't imagine how many hours he spent editing from 10 different cams !!!
Why not a BMW i4 eDrive40? Couldn’t find one?
You guys almost did an EV Le Mans (Audi in 2010 did a total of ~5400km or 3355 miles) and definitely has its epic ups and downs. Thank you for hosting this
Thank you!
Thank you so much for having me, Kyle. You are a great person to roadtrip with. So many great people, and so many great stories from Chris! An adventure I won’t forget, I had so much fun in the i7. You truly get to experience a car doing this 🔥
To refresh Davids previous comment on here. Every team was in it to win it and we all made collective decisions on our strategies. If you pay close attention there are other teams beside the team Lucid getting close to the 0% state of charge.
Giving Dave Alex and Shane crap for doing so seems to be easy, in fact that tow truck could have been coming for any of us.
For anybody feeling they would have done a better job, I say, bring it. The route started in Seattle at the Starbucks headquarters and ended at the USS Constitution in Boston at the peer. Use your car, rent a car, have a team of 3-4 drivers (safety first, very important) and record your drive. Beat the times we all logged and claim the your rank.
I personally could not be happier having had the opportunity to participate in this race and meet the most amazing EV enthusiast.
Dave, Alex, Shane you rock!
@@andyzegerman i was critical in my comment and my bad this inspired me to road trip from Minnesota to California since were moving cross country with my model 3 long range. Thank you
Mad props to Jordan for editing this whole series. Bro needs a free drink for every episode, cause this is big studio production quality.👏
Jordan: Thanks for all of the hard work of these videos. Major props to you!
Old Model S Team are the champs! Great spirits all the way through 🙌
That’s what I was thinking! And here’s to progress, eh!?
they did the best they could with old tech, credit to them
The amount of logistics required to have all these teams tracked, videos made for each, edited to be in order and informative… just outstanding work.
I could not believe the Lucid team passed up a group of 350kW chargers RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY when they were at 14%. Absolutely deserved to run out.
5 minute top off would have been ideal
Yes, and there were multiple times that Team Lucid should have stayed just a couple more minutes to charge.
sometimes it pays to stay longer than rush off, yeah they deserved this result
Dave at it again
Thanks for the great series fellas. This video is going to be literal documented history, years into the future, on how EV's used to be.
Awesome Job!
What a race! Worth the wait. Special thanks to all the team! As one of the few Electrified G80 owners, it was nice to see one in the race. It makes you do the math!!!!
Have you done any road trips in your G80? I was originally casted for the Genesis but last minute changes put me in the Plaid. I was actually looking forward to drive it.
@ Yes: 2 road trips. Now that I know how to use the car I have no issues. Funny I took delivery 45 days before the prices dropped on The Plaid. I went to trade it with 5K miles on it & they only wanted to give me $47K for it. Car was $81K. So I’m looking at a Plaid with track pack next year.
So glad that an ICE car and the original Model S was included. It's good for us to be honest about how fast EVs really roadtrip compared to ICE. But it's also great to see how far we've come from 10 years ago.
this isn’t a realistic test, this is driving with different people without pauses.
@@hardywoodaway9912 it's realistic test for cannon ball run😂 but yeah most people sleep and stop to eat in between so the time difference would have been much smaller.
@hardywoodaway9912 This video is perfect for all those YT comments saying how they can drive for 3 days nonstop without sleep, toilet, and snack breaks in their ICE, and that EVs will never catch on.
This video definitely proves that the technology is getting closer.
@@hardywoodaway9912 You missed the whole point of the race and test. This was never about how people actually drive, but rather to have a race without stopping on the same exact route using the same rules to show how far we've come in just 10 years of modern EV's. That the Taycan was only 2 hours behind the ICE Acura, but the Old Model S was 19 hours behind says it all.
It's a night and day difference in evolution over a very short period of time.
@@junehanzawa5165 if the others had the same battery as the Taycan, it would have been a lot closer
You guys have done more for EV's than anyone else, great videos! Ty keep them coming
Mr Elons team done a thing or two
Jordan has the best voice as “the narrator” providing commentary.
As a European, I am shocked at the state of disrepair of the charging stations, and the ridiculous number of these stations. I didn't think America was that far behind. (the law in my country is that each car park with more than 20 spaces must have a charging point every 20 spaces)
It's quite shocking how third-world a lot of the infrastructure is. It must be very hard managing a large continent country.
Sad part? It is about fall even harder behind as the rest of the world progresses towards more EVs while the new US government will cancel their EV incentives and subsidies in favour of oil again. Even bigger kick in the pants is the CEO of Tesla is BACKING this change.
But do you guys have to suffer through someone like Trump doing all he can to Keep China Great and Keep America Behind and in the 20th century?
Trump: "Keep China Great," and America in the 20th Century.
@@junehanzawa5165 Electrify America is more like Embarrassing America.
Best quote from the I-90 Surge Race: 'Dave Conner works secretly for big oil.' - Robert. 2:14:56. You need to make a shirt or merch with this quote!
I like the "Out of Charge Dave" from another commenter better. He should have used that.😅
That one made me chuckle. Love Robert.
My OOS i90 merch came before the end of the race. PERFECT
Barbara is amazing! What an amazing woman! Thank you Barbs! ❤❤❤
Out of Spec needs to send her a gift card for a dinner out.
This is for "Out-Of-Charge-Dave"❤
😂😂😂
LOL. I'm going to use that on my notes comment and give you credit. This is the 3rd time he's run out on 3 races.😂
@@junehanzawa5165 let's hope ⚡third times the charm
@@junehanzawa5165 to be fair, the F150 wasn't his fault, the battery couldn't handle the trip
@@danielzhang1916 You can give him a pass on the 2nd F-150 Lightning race, but not on the 1st one when they purposely took it down to basically 0% percent. And even the 2nd one you're talking about wasn't that far from 0%. There's no reason not to stop and charge when you're down to 10%, and not stay longer when you're still getting high rates of charge. That mentality has to stop.
lol @ Kyle freaking out that Tesla Model 3 team stopped unexpectedly for a random break :D 1:23:09
This is really awesome! My wife who doesn't watch was hooked. She said that you should do an suv version. This is what you use for road tripping anyway.
They did one from Colorado to Las Vegas and back. On the way there it was do what you want and on the way back everyone had to follow the route planned. It was pretty good
What if the ioniq 6 hadn't been pulled over? Hyundai has understood the assignment.
Third place ain’t a bad place to be 😁
Good job using the Ioniq 6 so well! I think like they say at the end, the Ioniq 6 could actually be better than the Tesla Model 3 long range if it were given more highway-accessible charging stops.
It's almost like even the reduced rate the Ioniq 6 would get on Superchargers would be worth it for the much reduced paths from the highway to the chargers, and better selection of locations...
Did you track how much time was lost due to the traffic stop? Would that have made a difference, second to third?
Closer than it has any right to be. I still pick an Ioniq 6 over any Model 3.
You guys might have had a chance at 2nd if you didn't get pulled over. Nice race!
As a Hyundai/Genesis owner, you guys represented extremely well! Well done! My next car will most likely be an Ionic 6 or EV6 once they update the charge plugs to Tesla network
To all the folks giving Team Lucid a hard time for running out; it easily could have been literally any of us. We were all playing close to the edge in that respect during this trip. It comes hand in hand with trying to optimize your charging. Which is what this challenge is about. Dave, Alex and Shane are great dudes and made the best choices they could with the information they had.
- David (Team Taycan)
Absolutely, 100%! We all were flying close to the sun at many occasions. Andy - (Team Tesla Plaid)
Thanks to all for this amazing trip. Great! Special thanks to Jordan.
One thing I’ve learned is you can only use the buffer a handful of times until the BMS catches on to your shenanigans, that’s why you can’t trust the BMS
Absolutely fantastic series. Props to all involved, can’t wait to see the next race!
The Lucid with 500 miles range, yet the group let it run out of battery. Lol the heck. Short charges dont save you that much time.
Lucid teams make mistakes after mistakes ... they should be up with tancan not stuck waiting for tow truck.
They don't know the quote "to finish first, first you must finish" lol
Dave REALLY has a bad habit of leaning into the buffer of EVs far after 0% battery and then doesn't own up to it after consecutive DC fast charges throws any BMS out of balance. It was to be expected when they kept pushing the Lucid farther and farther into the negatives.
Correct, and then passing by 350kW chargers right by the highway because they were "too high a state of charge" at 14% left. The "Out of Charge Dave" new moniker is well deserved. This is the 3rd time he's run out on 3 different races.
The results are irrelevant. The consumer buys a car accepting what it is and it isn't. The results don't alter the car's ability. It is what it is.
Thanks for masterminding this challenge Kyle. So informative, lot of fun. Mirrors my model 3LR experience.
Poor Dave, always getting stranded on OOS road trips 😂
I remember when he got stuck in the Ionic 5 in the middle of the night and plugged into the 120v outlet for the ice machine at a gas station.
Every charging stop should include sit ups, pushups, running, jumping, backflips and cartwheels.
A great series. It is interesting that the lower cost Tesla and Ionic blew out the Mercedes, BMW and Lucid. It was also interesting that once again Dave ran out of juice. So how many is this Dave? Is it easier pushing a Lucid than a Lightning? Still, I give you all credit for exploring the edge of technology. You are the pathfinders of the electrification era.
That was amazing, I loved every second of the race. Great job guys . I have learned so much about these cars and performances. It was just amazing. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Love Christopher Washington state
Man, what an exciting race!
can't believe you let us wait those additional 9 minutes. you are cruel!
LET'S FINALLY GOOOO!
Love these videos! Amazing editing; I believe that kudos belongs to Jordan. Thanks for all the people who took part.
What a journey, great video. The ionic 6 REALLY surprised me. I was shocked the model S WASN'T in the top 3.
Great video I watched all 4 all the way through. No fast forward. I love you chose I 90 . I also love that the taycan won my favorite car if I had the money . Great that william came all the way from Norway . If Tesla bjorn didn’t have kids now it would have been cool to have him with william . It was hard to wait all week for each installment but I know Jordan did his best to get it out .
So great to see all the different options of EV’s and the run down at the end was great info. I love the i7 too!
Less than 5% difference between the Acura and the Taycan, that's amazing! Shows that EVs are within ~5 years of parity with ICE cars for road tripping. It'll be interesting to see how long until they reach parity while towing. I thought we were probably a decade out, but the new GM products are beasts, maybe it isn't that far away.
Also comparing the times of the Taycan and the old Model S it shows that road tripping time has improved by almost 30%. Wow!
Also, we should give a shout out to EA, they have come so far in the last 3 years. They still have a ways to go, but the lack of problem in this video was a massive improvement over what we used to see. It used to be that you had to be concerned about being able to charge at all at EA stations. Now, it seems you're almost guaranteed to get some charge, it might be slower than you hoped, but you aren't stranded. And most of the time the EA stations performed as expected. They've put in a lot of hard work and I think they deserve some kudos.
Realistically, they are even closer.
This was a cannonball run, from first hand experience, a normal road trip in a new model 3 is as smooth and careless as butter. I can imagine Tycan doing even better and Ioniq 6 being just as good...
How on earth do you get only 30% better from the old Model S? How is 17 hours behind the Taycan 30% from the 46 hours of the Taycan? That math makes the old Model S 37% slower than the Taycan.
Just the 17 hours faster on the Taycan, and the Taycan's mere 2 hours slower than the ICE Acura over 3,000 plus miles, is a mind boggling improvement in basically only a decade.
Did you even watch the first episode where the Acura fools farted around, stopping to go through drive-through's? If they would have paid attention to Kyle's instructions and made their stops as abbreviated as the EV's they would have finished hours and hours ahead of the Taycan.
@@kjorg9755 They wasted a half hour at the most. If you followed the race after that, you could see that they simply could not shake the Taycan no matter what. Keep in mind that the Taycan stops were mostly 11 to 12 minutes long. Not too far off from pumping gas. And I can see how that scares a lot of people out there.
Such a cool series! I think it’s worth mentioning that disregarding the ACURA and Taycan, the top 4 cars arrived within an hour of each other, that’s nothing for an almost 50 hour trip. It’s comforting to know that you can get a good deal without spending 100K. The Lucid could have probably ended in the same bracket as these if things had gone smoothly.
Here we go! Got my pancakes and cawfee and I-90surge on my 4ktv ready to go!
Next summer SUVs or Crossovers on I 40 Barstow, CA to Raleigh, NC. I definitely want to see that.
Thanks, everyone! Great trip begging to end. I think the single biggest takeway from this run is that the charging infrastructure might no longer be the limiting factor in terms of long-distance road tripping anymore. The consistent availability of 250-300 kW charging means that most of the EVs were getting as much power as they were asking for for as long as they could accept it. An EV with slightly better range and consistent charging power similar to the Taycan's would easily keep pace with the Acura. The driver is quickly becoming the real bottleneck.
So as always when taking price into account the model 3 is the best all around car. It’s the Camry of the EV world
Robert Dunn for the win!!!
Kyle, please have a video/podcast with BMW engineers to understand the rationale for DCFC throttling in such an expensive car.
I was incoherent at 1:03:35
LOL! Model 3 team getting caught getting coffee and then Jordan defending himself in the edit hahaha.
I knew buying an Ioniq 6 was a good buy. I might be taking it from SoCal to Austin Texas next week - and have to keep reminding myself I won't be racing, so charging deep isn't an issue. Relax. :)
That Porsche 🥵 Props to Tesla though… The Plaid was way closer to the Lucid for most of this race than people online would tell you, but that Model 3 🫡
Can’t wait for new Model Y. Would be curious to see how the new Model Y, Macan and other crossovers/SUVs perform on the I-90 Surge. Let me know if you need a driver 😉
@@GridConnections The now very crowded mid size SUV/Crossover segment would be great for a test like this :)
@@anton_grahn Agreed 🚗⚡
Tell me I need to upgrade from my 2014 Model S without telling me I need to upgrade from my 2014 Model S.
You really want to sacrifice free supercharging for life?
@revaddict I'm hoping they offer the transfer again.
If you don't roadtrip or don't have a need to go fast... It's perfect. A older model S with unlimited supercharging is the perfect retirees car.
A lot of great non-tesla options....
@@revaddict Earlier this year Tesla have the option to transfer free supercharging to a new car, but my 2014 MS still drive perfectly fine so I'm keeping it as long as possible.
Love how almost all the cars’ wiper blades are shot by the end
Comparing my Volvo 2015 XC60 gas car to my Model Y, which replaced the XC60, I find there's only about a 25 minute difference on a 500 mile road trip I've done a few times. Not too bad. Of course the longer the road trip, the longer the time gap.
Pretty much shocked at the performance of the Tesla Model 3 LR 😮
People might only road trip 1-2 times a year and the other 50 weeks they are commuting or traveling locally. Allowing for a 5 minute gasoline fill up per week, thats over 4 hours per year. An EV charging at home might actually out perform gas over a year’s time. Not even counting oil change or emissions testing time. Obviously every situation varies.
Been refreshing since 11 am lmao.
Shoutout to Barbara!
Perfect timing, I got a long stint of work coming up. Need this.
What a journey,thanks guys for all the dedication and hard work involved👍
BMW might be fine for an ordinary person road trip since you would level 2 AC charge overnight at the hotel after 400-600 miles of driving during the day, and that could reset the DC charging counter.
all are fine for regular vacations
But why would anyone put up with such a stupid limitation on a car that costs this much? The weird thing is people who buy that car are highly unlikely to worry about battery capacity 10 years after purchase - they’re rich and won’t even keep that car for such a long time where battery degradation is even noticeable.
Except not all hotels have AC chargers
I only admire the old Tesla Model S, because without it none of the other electric cars would exist and 100% of drivers today would still be poisoning the environment with their combustion engines.🚗💨💨💨😝🤷♂️🙋♂️
I drive a Tesla S 90D in the Scottish Highlands but looking to come to the US to do a road trip with possibly a Tesla from Hertz to cover Seattle, Las Vegas and probably a fair bit of the Pacific coast. Watching this has given a great insight into how the charging network is in the US, so many thanks from this side of the pond! :)
Great job to everyone! Loved watching all the videos. It would be great to see the total stats: total miles each car drove. Total number of charge stops, and gas stops for Acura. Total charge time each car. Total gas used by Acura. Total estimated CO2 from each vehicle based on average CO2 to generate kw of power. I estimated the Acura averaged 25 mpg = 126 gal = 2,200 lbs CO2. Looks like the EVs used between 827 - 1,162 Kw which estimated to be 708 - 827 lbs CO2. This is another primary reason why people buy EVs is better for environment from GHG emissions stand point so if it takes a few more hrs on a cross county trip so be it. This race shows how far EVs and infrastructure has come in past few years. Still improvements to be made but you can go anywhere in US now driving an EV. Regarding the Lucid, disappointing! When you have the range king stop hitting a charge station every 200 miles or so and short charging stations. That team could have eliminated 3 hrs easy if the did longer charge session and longer distances between stops. Lucid and Tycon should have been neck and neck with Lucid possibly winning. You guys are the EV experts and you always regress to short distance charge hoping and waste a lot of time in the process.
Great job - Out of SpecTeam!
Taking aside the Porsche which just blew all other EVs off - the M3, I6, Plaid, EQS and the Lucid (if the team would have thought more and less talked) are actually within an hour!!
And most surprising to me that it looks like the EQS is the hidden winner in that race, as what do you want really?
- don’t care about changing (flat at 200kw), each leg 300+ miles, amazing comfortable, efficient, big battery and one even gets the right trunk opening!
Overall great job from the teams - thumbs up 👍
Such a great test thanks to all. The real interesting car was the taycan how much it was ahead. So just playing things out perhaps 5 years from evs have 150kwh battery. Tesla have v4 chargers at 500kw. So if that charging speed can be maintained to 50% of the pack that's a 5 min charge to drive 300 miles assuming 4 miles per kwh. That's as fast as the gas car.
Fun idea for a new race series! Old Model S vs machE, id4, soltera, equinox, and maybe a vinfast 😂
1:55:13 "Risk takers own the world, maybe just not today."
No truer words have been spoken. I've taken strategic risks in my life, some made out big, others not so much.
Thank you, what a epic rece! So well edited and shooted!
Another great road trip series
Well done, this is an amazing series, really appreciate this content!
I will never judge anyone getting coffee.
Wow wow wow! I've watched EVERY minute of this roadtrip. Thank you sooo much for this entertainment! You're awesome people.
I live in germany and we own a BMW ix3 and a VW ID.4 GTX. So I have some experience. We do a lot of long trips as well but .. maaan ... 3000 miles is beyond imagination.
Would be fun to see the current BMW i4 in the next roadtrip.
Concerning the BMW charging performance: Our ix3 never disapoints, charging is very relaible and consistent. So, BMW generally knows how to manage good charging.
Go Team Ioniq6
Enjoying this while eating clam chowder and drinking Sam Adams🤣
Great job guys!
TLDR: Model 3 is a performance/value beast.
Other side notes:
- Hyundai would be a close second - but should rely on Tesla's superchargers for peace of mind.
- Used 10 year old Model S still a champ today.
hyundai charges slow on tesla network if it ever comes. Tesla maintains their advantage
Actually, the Ioniq 5 2025 beats the Model Y/3 on its own supercharging network according to charge times. @@overnightclassic2
@@overnightclassic2 I think one of the recent updates was an improved V4 cabinet, which helps Hyundai and others as well:
"Today, we're announcing the V4 Cabinet - capable of delivering up to 500kW for cars and 1.2MW for Semi."
"Faster charging: Supports 400V-1000V vehicle architectures, including 30% faster charging for Cybertruck. S3XY vehicles enjoy 250kW charge rates they already experience on V3 Cabinet - charging up to 200 miles in 15 minutes."
(Source: Tesla on X)
So Tesla's working on improving this network for everyone involved.
@@overnightclassic2 Google filter wont let me post more details, but Tesla's recent update to V4 cabinets addresses this limitation of V3 cabinets moving forward:
"Today, we're announcing the V4 Cabinet - capable of delivering up to 500kW for cars and 1.2MW for Semi ... Supports 400V-1000V vehicle architectures, including 30% faster charging for Cybertruck"
Here we go!!! Last part baby!!! ❤🎉❤
One thing that I think would have been useful in the video would be to have the time and location of everyone when we're seeing a charging stop.
If you're a person who wants to finish his vacation quickly so you can get back to the work job, this is for you.
Shoutout to Barbara for being a real one!
Amazing adventure @kyleconner! Thanks for everything! - Jordan in the EQS
That efficiency gap between the ICE and the "least efficient car here" is ridiculous. It's not even a percentage, it's a factor. Of 4.
Surprised by the relatively poor 3.3 miles/kWh Efficiency of the Lucid! It is supposed to be their thing, but the Model 3 was a full 13% better at 3.8, sure it is smaller but still pretty crazy!
That's mainly because of the RWD engine of the Model 3. In general you lose about 10-20% efficiency by using two engines/4WD. The drag coefficient is about the same and the size as well
I kind of wish we had gotten real efficiency numbers. the car's computers are not always accurate. would have been nice to have taken actual kwh charged + initial charge - remaining charge level to calc the efficiency rather than take the cars word for it.
@@Lor-dn1vzthat would have been relying on the same in car data you are saying you don't trust. For miles and for kWh consumed. We can't use kWh sent from the chargers due to charging losses. This is the best data you're gonna have available in a non-lab context.
What a great video documenting the experience of long-distance EV travel in the USA. I'm curious if any of these EVs, like the expensive Porsche, will still be able to keep up with the EVs offered for sale in ten years time. I-90 Surge Race in the year 2034!
A trip like this would normally include overnight hotel stays. EV vs gas times would be much closer with hotel charging.
If you get a good charge curve, stay and charge to 80%, no point dashing off....whats up with the Lucid team? Did they sabotage Lucid on purpose?
They expected a buffer from previous tests, but it wasn’t there. Most people wouldn’t push the limits like that on a normal trip
Thanks for putting this all together. I am sure the hours sitting in the editing booth syncing everything together must've been a nightmare. It is cool to see how far EVs have come since the OG Tesla days, and how far some manufacturers (BMW, looking at you with your dumb DC counter.. seriously Germans WTF..) still have to go.
Best Saturday entertainment!!! Awesome job guys!
Welcome to Charlestown, Boston!
Next…Boston to Portland Via Route 20. Get the best of the best and test the secondary roads and each team’s resources fullness!
What a great series, good job guys!
Great video as always guys. Would have loved to see the driving cost between 1st and 2nd place. Way to go lil model 3 ❤. Tough luck for the Lucid,nobody expected that.
What an amazing series. Thank you for doing this!
Really would have liked to see people stay at a hotel for 8 hours each night and charge. The lucid would have kept up with the gas car then.
Definitely
A really important question that was not answered… 😅 What was the total “downtime” of the Lucid? And adjusting for that time, where would it have ended up?
Really, really interesting to see how a significant slice of different EV’s performed over an extended road trip. Porsche has really upped the ante with their combined efficiency/battery size and most all their repeated incredible charging performance, which really sets a new standard in my view. Tesla Model 3 was great, however they now need to up their own charging performance going forward, it is too slow. On my own 2023 Model Y perf road trips I’m often charging for 40-50mins every stop, to get sufficient range and buffer for the next leg. To me Lucid, who always squawk the loudest of their supposed superior tech and efficiency and BMW were the great under performers. Well done guys I found it a fantastic insight on EV road tripping! 🎉
Chris stuck the CCS landing
The old Tesla should have been given at least an 8 hour head start so they didn't show up at 4am. My gut says the Acura was the cheapest if it avg 26mpg and gas is $3/gallon, but the model 3 was probably close.
Thank you for the content and real world testing. I do a cross country trip every year in my Model 3. (2019 LR) next year will be in my new 2024 Model 3 Performance.
Been waiting all week for this!
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