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Are you excited for Q in Picard season 2? What do you think of this theory about Picard, Q and The Borg? Let's talk about it below! Please hit the like button and check our new Memberships! LIMITED run of Picard Winery t-shirt here >> mixedtees.com/picardwines 20% off code: THEPOPCAST
After season 1 I'm shocked anyone is watching season 2.
I do not understand the hate on Picard Season One. I loved this series, and was pleased that it did not Mary Sue the characters like Discovery reboot did. Picard had a solid plot, great new characters, and brought back Number One and Dianna with more than just a quickie cameo. Seven of Nine was fun to see again, and the villains were complex and not one dimensional.
No beause it's yet again some retconning of Star Trek. Yeah sure, Q cool. But to redo history all over again and completely destroy the franchise? Nah. I'd rather remember Trek for what it was, not the dissapointing thing it's become.
I hope Wesley gets revisited, remember, the Traveler hinted at something about him.
@@jonathanbrooks1906 It's because people like parroting their favorite click bait youtube channels.
I am 62 years old now and I have watched every Star Trek ever made. I can't believe all the years that have gone by, and I'm still here looking forward to more episodes in the series. For me the saga never ends. I love Star Trek.
Same. I'm thankful new content is still being made.
I'll be 70 soon and never tire of Star Trek lore.
Wow. That is good.
Now please tell me, which Trek series is the best.
I am also in my 60's ......ditto
Same here you just never know what`s coming next.
"I'm not talking about the puppyyy". Best line ever on Star Trek.
makes me laugh every time
Does not sound like it works
Janeway seem upset as well... Women.. Their always in competition with other Women...Even she show jealousy that Q was attacked to her. So she come a running..
That's the actress that played Alexander's mom / Worf's squeeze on TNG. No mistaking that voice.
@@DelDuio Really? Had no idea.
The Continuum didn't think you had it in you, Jean-Luc. But I knew you did for another season
Hahahahaha......or 2.
its like weekend at Bernie's they're propping up the robotic corpse of picard and telling us he's alive lol... yeah. i'm def out. star trek is dead... lower decks is a perfect example .. its all garbage these days.
Picard is just a nice place for Q to hang his hat.
" Well, we'll just have to watch our P's and Q's..........eh Jean - Luc !!".
Q making a joke about their relationship.
I love the q back 😍
John de Lancie is one hell of an actor and artist. There is literally no one else that could portray Q. His performance along with the TNG story arc, it's brilliant, and Picard season 2 was just another reason why. He's one of the most underrated actors out there.
No BORG also means no USS Defiant. That ship was built to fight the BORG. It also possibly changes Sisko's entire career path since he was one of a few survivors of Wolf 359.
Sisko would always have ended up where he was needed by the prophets. He was created by them for a purpose. You're right about the Defiant though. I don't think the Federation would have gone to war with the Dominion if they still had the same mindset as they did pre borg. They would have certainly stopped using the wormhole when asked and may have even become allies with the Dominion. Remember, Starfleet invaded Dominion space without permission and when asked to leave, sent one of Starfleet's most powerful ships as a show of force. Pre borg, I think they would have probably left well alone.
i suspect q will make him see the upside of locutus... if he had never met the borg, then they could never have been defeated.... it may have cost 11k lives initially, just think how many lives were given their freedom and how many live were not taken in the future...
@Edwin Arnold Whoops! No wonder when I showed up there was no one from either side. :lol:
No Borg also would mean Ben Sisko would not have seen his wife killed and might not have ended up in command of DS9 and The USS Voyager might not have able to stop there before being lost in the Badlands and ending up in the Delta Quadrant.
@@suralos So if DS9 had had a different commander, they wouldn't have let Voyager stop there?
"If you can't get enough of Q!" - That's me!
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
It's fascinating to me that the only reason we have *_Q_* in Star Trek at all is because the producers for the first TNG episode wanted a longer running show,.. and so Gene Roddenberry created his version of God and shoehorned him into the Show!?!?! Think of what it would mean to Star Trek today if *_Q_* had never happened in the first place at all!?!
@@davidhunt7427 think what would happen to humanity of God didn't exist from the beginning
@@AAvfx God doesn't exist. Humanity made him up. The one from the bible, anyway. He really didn't like humans. He kept trying to wipe them out because they didn't kiss his @$$ properly. Q on the other hand... I wish he really existed. He'd make a much more likable God. I'd worship him. I'd be his friend.
@@FriedSynapse sounds like you know the real God. So, I'd like to hear more
Something else to keep in mind: If the Federation never deals with the Borg, then neither do the Romulans. IIRC, they had some research on Borg technology. That changes the dynamic of the Tal'Shiar and its power base.
Growing up as a kid in the '80s and seeing TNG with Q in the '90s always made my day in Star Trek. Relished every episode, every antic, El Capitan with Q. He just made the episodes so intriguing and mesmerizing what encountered yet. Almost all the most interesting discoveries by the crew were often when Q had some hand in it no matter how small. Probably the one character that if he was in it, it was a must-watch right now.
So Picard going to run into the Borg...
Borg: "We are the Borg. Prepare to be Assimilated."
Picard: "We are the Federation. Prepare to be Assimilated."
We are the Klingons, Prepare to be extirpated.......We are the Ferengi, Prepare to be amortizated.......
@@tysonyouts5011 Or, "We are the Ferengi, Prepare to be liquidated."
@@SWalkerTTU Love it!
If this is not going to be the story, I will slap Kurtzman for not hiring you. As always, excelent video.
It’s true, so many fans have better ideas and stories than “show runners”
Slap him anyway
I doubt it Kluts-boy hates star trek and has done more to kill this franchise.
Wait, I thought Kurtzman left the show. Please tell me that hack isn't coming back. Edit: Oh thank God. He's only an executive producer and not -ruining- running the writers' room.
This theory is 100x better than what these new clowns can come up with.
The actual story will probably revolve about ol' "J.L." crossing half the galaxy with Q to get that Romulan Security lady some larger sunglasses lol
Thanks for this! I didn’t know if “Picard” would even have a 2nd season or not. Now I’m happy to know it’s YES! I can’t wait!
Love that Q takes on an older avatar out of empathy with Picard
lol More like “out of necessity due to the show’s extremely low CGI budget.”
True but its in character
I wonder if anyone had noticed that the actress who played "Lady Q" is the same one who played Worf's girlfriend/Alexander's mother earlier in the series, along being a Vulcan in another episode.
They re-used guest actors/actresses all the time. :) It's always a neat tid-bit finding out that they've played other roles in either the same or other series.
Yes. Susie Plakson played K’heylar, and the Lady Q, and the Vulcan Dr., Selar, in the episode about Dr. Ira Graves having that dementia disease, Darnay’s disease, and putting his essence into Enterprise’s computer.
Yes, she was the female Jeffrey Combs.
She also was the Andorian Tarah on Enterprise.
@@jurgmanx4644 Wow! This lady certainly can get around!
Fascinating theory.
The Borg encounter didn't start with Q, Who?. You have to go back to 1st season episode of TNG called "The Neutral Zone" (1988). Remember the encounter with the Romulans whose outposts like the Federation's were destroyed by "some force scooped the machine elements off the surface" as Worf reported. This was the first encounter with the Borg although no one knew it at that time. Q undoing Q, Who's encounter may or may not reverse all of the Borg's encounter with the Federation.
Agreed. Borg would sooner or later made contact with the Federation. All Q did was to make the inevitable happen faster and possibly give Federation a fighting chance as he knew Enterprise would prevail one way or another and report back to the Starfleet Command.
Yep. But I doubt the CBS writers know or care
And there's all the stuff in Voyager that messes with the timeline. The Tombaugh was apparently assimilated in about 2362, 2 years before the neutral zone, and 3 years before Q Who.
There's also the Hansens and their ill-advised family field trip.
Your forgetting about the after effects of star trek first contact
I guess Q could have given Voyager an easy out, avoiding the Borg, if he stabilized the worm hole they found in the episode False Profits. Although the Borg knew about the Federation in episode The Neutral Zone, I think the only reason they went after the Federation was because they saw a Federation ship in Q Who that seemed to travel at unbelievable speeds when Q sent them to and from the Delta quadrant. Until that moment they probably thought the Federation wasn't worth the effort.
My friend, that music and your earnest and compelling speech make me wish to introduce Star Trek and Picard to those who would never have considered watching a grand space opera.
Well done.
I loved TNG so to have Picard is an added bonus, personally I think it's brilliant, Patrick Stewart will always be my favourite Captain and to now have him with Jeri Ryan is something that I'm sure appeals to most Star Trek enthusiasts, so when Picard issues the order 'Engage!' I'll be there 😁
Could not agree with your more. Volcan salute to you. wich is a fine salute during covid time lol
If you love TNG then you should despise Picard and Discovery. This is nothing but retconned garbage with a woke Hollywood angle bent on deconstructing our best heroes of old and making them sideshows and losers. Picard wasn’t even the main character in his own show. It was another diverse female space jesus with no flaws sent to save the universe from inexplicable mistakes by those heroes. This show and Star Trek Diversity errr Discovery are nothing more than garbage story lines meant to retcon and deconstruct the patriarchal heroes of our childhoods. They have done it to Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Boba Fett, Thor, Captain Kirk and now they are busy at work destroying Picard. The crappy director and horrid writing in of forced woke characters is just destroying any opportunity to have a successful continuation of the Star Trek universe. The storylines dont make sense. The characters don’t make sense. And they try to lull you in with nostalgia by bringing back old actors who had nothing better going on and needed a paycheck. Can’t wait to see how pathetic they make Q.
@@jarock89f90 Well seeing as how in your last sentence you've basically admitted that you'll be watching it ,even if its to ' see how pathetic they make Q' then they still have you watching , personally I'm thoroughly enjoying it , I think its a great cast and its moved slightly in a different direction but not too much .It needed to be slightly different from TNG for obvious reasons ,but It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the show.
I've always felt like Q needed his own movie to explain things. Two season of Picard to explain it is probably better. I'm definitely excited for what ever happens.
They need a series in trek called Q.
Where they show how and what the Q were and how they transformed into what they are. Also, the amazing journey/discoveries of all the Q's when they first became omnipotent and powerful. There would be a never ending amount of new and amazing trek content from this
You'd expect a guy who thinks that "whatever" is two words to be excited about ST Picard.
@@elvinhayes4356 spell check?
@@elvinhayes4356 “Whatever” is more common, but “what ever” is also used to underscore the emphatic nature of “ever” (as in “What ever do you mean?” or “What ever could have happened?”). In adjectival uses, however, only the one-word form is used: Take whatever books you need.”
You'd expect someone whose sole gripe on a comment is a criticism on their grammar usage to just keep scrolling, but, whatever.
The only way Q could fix NuTrek is if he went "Oh no, this timeline isn't right at all. And you in an android body? I think it's time for a retcon!" and snap Picard Season 1 and all of Discovery out of existence.
What a nice thought. However, Kurtzman is too narc... self-absorbed to consider that their work could have major flaws that needed fixing.
I am so very happy that Q will be part of season 2 and 3. Can't wait for the adventure to begin.
It's so touching. This is my favorite moment. Q is one of my favorite characters. "See you out there."
I like q but he get the actual design of next generation ship and show it and its
Secrets
A number of mistakes here: the Henson’s explored the Borg way….waaaay before the Enterprise was flung in front of the cube. (2364 farepoint, 2355 hansens Expedition with the „raven“)
So Annika would have been assimilated nonetheless. Meaning the Borg will know of humanity nonetheless.
And another point: if voyager never survives in the delta quadrant until after Skorpion I and II the Undine aka species 8427 will eradicate the borg entirely.
I see a lot of „timey….wimey….wobbely“ Paradoxons on the wall here 😂
And I think it goes even further. If the events of "Q Who" never happened, the Borg have no reason to search for Earth, so that "Best of Both Worlds" never happens either. But at the same time, it also puts "First Contact" to rest, because the Borg don't become aware of humanity so quickly - and without the crew of the Enterprise travelling into the past, the events of 2063 might not happen either, or might happen differently (which is where "In a Mirror darkly" drew its potential from). Therefore it would irrevocably change the entire canon from 2063 onwards - which would also explain why a courtroom from World War 3 or the Eugenics Wars appears in the trailer as the setting of Picard's changed present. In sum: the entire canon in its entirety would have been irrevocably changed - for both the Prime and Kelvin timelines.
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. So his theories don't add up at all. Especially if you account for how Sisko becomes the station commander after his battle at Wolf 359. Right?
Star Trek Picard doesn’t give a crap about beloved past canon. They just want their immortal flawless characters fixing everything with cold love and mindless murder.
If you want to go even further, Star Trek Legacy makes clear that V-ger back in Kirk’s time was the progenitor of the Borg. There’s just so many problems.
Yes there is a big mess here and everyone here is forgetting one thing,if Annika (7of 9) & her parents in countered the borg before Picard,then what about Archer & Enterprise? They in countered,fought and beat the Borg 2-3hundred years before Picard or the Hanson's.
You forget First Contact. The Borg went back in time to earth during first Contact. They sent a msg to the borg.
I mean, it makes sense but come on that's that exact plot of the episode "Tapestry"... one of my faves, but they can't make two seasons out of the premise of Q teaching Picard that his ugly past shaped who he is (again).
Maybe whatever Q has been preparing humanity for is finally coming up, and some other force is trying to undo his efforts by preventing "Q Who". That would be cool if the Q are more fallible, with a real foe, so we can't just expect him to "fix it all" at the end. Maybe all he was able to do was prevent Picard+crew from forgetting their original lives when the timeline changed. And we already know that Guinan will notice that it changed.
This. During Q Who Picard already understood the necessity of meeting the Borg. And Tapestry thought that sometimes you need the hard lessons and experiences to grow and thrive. He doesn't need a repeat lesson. But with these writers anything (bad) can happen. Your theory would make a lot more sense. It wouldn't be surprising if Kurtzman did what he does - get "inspiration" from already existing material; Tapestry, Yesterday's Enterprise and Q Who are fantastic episodes and good targets for gaining "inspiration".
This is a good idea. I like this.
My thoughts exactly!
Picard the Prophet. Is that what your saying.
I was thinking exactly the same. While it would do for a great story and possibilities, it is just a recycled story/lesson. Therefor i hope they come up with something new here, also for the sake of the series. But honestly i don't have a lot of faith in that...
Yes yes and more yes counting the days to seeing Q and Picard back at it again!!!
I can't help but feel a little immature caring so strongly grateful to know Trek is continuing. A lot of negative things have happened in the last few years to almost freeze my emotions and treks continuation has helped to try and ease that in my life. I am almost ashamed to say it makes me feel emotional. At times I find myself staring at the tv when an episode ends. Watching is like meditation, everything else seems to disappear. Not much else to make me feel good anymore
It's not just the stories, I"love the characters.
Thank you to everyone who. makes it happen!!!!!
be strong friend - find spaces of joy - trek - and beyond! This is not embarrassing. This is life.
If only someone could transport me to a world where Star Trek was going to be on CBS TV and not in some paywall universe I refuse to go to. Oh well, humanity will survive.
I know. $5 a month is such a burden for most people with the time to enjoy Star Trek these days. It's as is we just expect these shows to pay for themselves...
@@Sinleqeunnini Some are already paying more than that to chase TV shows around. Back in the days of free TV paid by ads on the TV itself, we watched much more TV. So, $5, $12, price for added devices and such. CBS makes one show and I am supposed to watch the whole paywall network for that one show. I watched all the Star Trek Series of shows on TV the first time and the reruns. I will just write books and buy some books. This is about entertainment! I am not being entertained by all this hoop jumping that producers ask me to do for them. Pay me to jump!!!!!
They already tried putting Discovery on broadcast television. Being as how the new Star Trek shows are so unbelievably awful, nobody watched. Discovery was beaten in the ratings by re-runs of "Match Game" from the 1970s. And then it got taken back off the air.
You're not missing anything.
Well, not anything you'd like, anyway.
@@cstacy See I did not know this about Discovery. I am not too old to learn. I remember watching the original Star Trek. I was in first grade, but I remember it.
I hope it never ends! I am 64 years old and have watch Star Trek from the beginning! It is wonderful to say the least!
Q was one of the best character's in the next generation he brought humour and made the story interesting to watch and the way i see it humanity isn't on trail it's picard. You can't based all of humanity by one man on his action's and decision
I literally just got goosebumps watching this video. I can only hope season 2 is something approximating this.
Excellent analysis! :)
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
I've always felt that Q was really the closest thing to an ally humanity had in the Continuum. Despite his protestations to the contrary.
I have said since early in the Q stories and other things that the Continuim is actually humanity just way way way in the future and some of the other races might be there as well. Q is so helpful because he knows that Picard has a key role to play in several events that lead humanity down the correct path to eventually ending up as the Continuim or at least part of it. My wife thinks that Q is actuaky a decendant of Picard's .. not sure how that would work.
Interesting how Wil Wheaton is interviewing everybody and yet I feel his character could be the most important character of all, because if I remember correctly, isn't he a time traveler now!
I thought more of a traveller in different dimensions then time
@@marcelsgroot I believe you are correct.
My apologizes.
@@markstewart2008 No need at all. It always fun to discuss star trek :)
Finally! I hope Q can restore some continuity to Star Trek Canon. Lately it’s become simple minded pop culture.
👍👍👍👍👍
And political.
Not really sure I want to "think of Q differently". It was a great character and set of storylines. No need to retcon.
Right? All these people running the new show cant actually come up with anything, so they degrade stuff from before that they barely understand.
@@OptimusSatanas Writers meeting for Picard:
"We need some cool stuff for this show. What is cool?"
"Romulans! They are cool!"
"The BORG! Coolest EVER!"
"ROBOTS are super cool!!"
"Ok, let's make a show with robots and Romulans and the Borg!
What about the heroes of the show?"
"I take drugs. Let's make a character that takes drugs"
"I am a sore loser and alcoholic. I want a character that is like me!"
"I am a psychopath! Let us have a psychopath in the crew"
"Great, we have the heroes and the villains. Now what about the story?"
"I have a great dialog: >>Old white men are stupid and evil! Pew, pew, pew! Picard dies and gets reborn as a robot, so he is finally also cool! And let's use swear words a lot!
Q has always been my favorite star trek character so glad hes back!!
Q has always been an awesome Character
Q is great but he is no Garak😉
Never liked the overpowered and overacting of the Q character.
I am 58 and have watched every iteration and am enjoying all of the new Trek versions. Such infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Love it all.
I'm hoping to see some Borg action in the next season. I was outraged that those Borg on the Artifact got spaced just as Seven woke them up!
Why didn't she beam them all back on board? Borg can survive space and be revived after being dead.
Outraged lol
@@Gandalf1of9 exactly... I was also more outraged that seven didn't just beam them back aboard... that made no sense. Also, since when are Borg negatively affected by the vacuum of space, they should all have been fine!
I like the idea that humans from the distant future time travelled back to just after the big bang and became Guinan's people then some of them became the Q continuem. The one thing that Picard regrets the most is family, so having a family of his own and/or saving his brother and nephew from dieing.
dying, not dieing
I also wonder whether he might save Data and somehow prevent the attack on Mars and its consequences.
Without the trauma he suffered with the Borg, Picard might not have had a reason to visit his brother's family and begin healing the rift that had grown between him and his brother. Does that affect the event that causes his brother and nephew to die in Generations? Maybe. If it doesn't change that event from Generations, it does mean that he might now have an even deeper regret for never getting around to healing the rift between them or getting to know his nephew. If that event is changed and his brother and nephew are still alive... are they still estranged or was a better reconciliation achieved? Did his nephew leave the vineyard?
It is really surprising how much has happened that connects to what happened in "Q Who"... and the ripples that changing this one event can have on the timeline. So many things can change because of erasing this one event, I doubt they will be able to explore all the possibilities... but it will be interesting to see which ones they do explore.
Guinan's people are completely unrelated to humans, right down to the DNA. However, human ancestors or descendants (with the Q, time is nothing) becoming the Q or evolving into something like the Q? Yeah, I could easily see that.
@@KimPossibleShockwave Whoopi Goldberg revealed that Guinan was Picards great great great great ancestor…
My nerd gland has been tickled by this vid 🥸
ick!
Q laid it out in Q Who. The Borg were already on their way to Earth. When Q said "They're moving faster than they should." that was the Borg he was talking about. Then they ran into the same cube in Best Of Both Worlds which was still en route.
18:42 This was my favorite Q scene. If I were a member of the bridge crew , I would have called Q over to the side and whispered to him " Meet me in the holodeck. Bring the band & the girls." After all. Life is short. 😄
Remember Word 359 is where Commander Sisko lost his wife and his ship. He hated Picard for that, but if it didn't happen no DS9 and no wormhole or no emissary.
No, DS9 would just be different.
Why would there be no emissary? I think that there would always be an emissary. The reason why has to do with something that you are forgot, "The Sisko" is of Bajor.
With no Wolf 359, perhaps Sisko even joins the Prophets in the celestial temple sooner. The result would be, no Dominion War. Sisko will always prevent the Dominion from entering the Alph Quadrant through the wormhole.
Those ideas might work if modern ST was written by competent people rather than a bunch of talentless kids. Don't forget nothing matters anymore since they have a magic wand. The saddest part of this entire Kurtzman nonsense is that John de Lancie fell so low to participate in it =[
The "Trailers" never ends. We've been waiting for Season 2 to come out forever, with endless setbacks.
Q realizes that Picard needs to be shown how bad things really could have been. Q gave humanity a fighting chance and none of the characters have ever realized that. 11,000 at Wolf 359 is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of all the various species. Andorian, Human, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Vulcan. Not to mention how many species would be completely wiped out before ever being approached by the Federation. I realized all this when TNG S1 E1 originally aired. That's why I knew Q would be in the TNG finale. I'm just surprised it's taken so long for story to see the next chapter. There is still at least one more chapter to be told after this because the final chapter has to be centered around The Next Generation of the Federation (aka Picard's children or possibly his chosen successor) and the next Q emissary to humanity since by then the John De Lancy Q character will be gone even if John himself is still alive. I mean it only makes sense that one day we are finally told that the origin of the Q is directly linked to humanity since the Q are humanity's end goal. The Q are what the whole of humanity will eventually evolve into. As long as humanity isn't wiped out first anyway. Why else would the Q have any interest in such a lower life form. Hell John D's Q is probably Picard's closest genetic ancestor among the Q. I'm surprised this hasn't been common knowledge among the Star Trek community since the end of TNG.
I always thinking that borg Started in the Star Trek motion Picture. When V'ger "Voyager" Rebuilt 20th centry probe merged with Commander Willard Decker.
I mean Maybe?
Or voyager ran into them. Sticks mind meld said landed on planet of machines.
The way it collects data it goes by kinda like the Borg.
I have a bad feeling about this. Kurtzman is going to ruin Q, isn't he. No one is safe from his and JJ's hands of doom.
Same thought. They usually screw up everything massively.
Yeah good bet. Better use Q to save Toward best character that could do it. Reset the show.
Wow! I am so amazed and happy to get a glimpse of events to be on the next season of Picard. For “baby boomer” me (75 years), Star Trek(s), have been the only series on television, and the movies, that I have really enjoyed. Nothing else on TV ever shown, even other sci-fi programs could even come close to engaging my heart and soul the way Star Trek has. It has made and shaped me into a person I never thought possible with a vision toward the present and future and what can be possible in reality when curious and creative minds are stimulated to deeply think about what can be if…..
Is this to say you did NOT like StarGate??
Q was only in 13 episodes? Wow, feels like he hardly ever left.
I would say nothing could be as bad as the first season, but then I remember Discovery.
Actually the Borg where already in Federation Space prior to Wolf 359, according to the apocrypha, they where the mysterious hand that was interfering in both Federation and Romulan outposts and assets along he neutral zone leading to the two encountering each other after 47 years of the latter's absence.(TNG: the Neutral Zone) It's the reason that Warf uses almost exactly the same words when he see's the missing outpost in that episode, the planet in the J25 sector and the missing colony prior to wolf 359. "It's as if some great force reached from the sky and scooped the outpost/colony off the face of the planet" all Q did was tip Picard off that they where there. otherwise the Enterprise would have went in completely blind and Starfleet wouldn't have had a year to start building combat ships before it came on to poke the federation into revealing the best assets it has to defend it's capital world as is their strategy. removing First contact with the Borg from the equation would do nothing but put Starfleet back a year. you also did not account for the absolute slaughterfest that the Dominion war would have been had Q not tipped the federation off to start with and given them over five years head start on building up their combat assets in prelude to the war they where about to start.
As is mentioned, the Hansons where already studying the Borg prior to FC j25,
Given this was Q's demonstration as to how ill prepared Starfleet/Federation/Humanity was to the degree they can't even survive first contact with it (eg> first contact with the Dominion) I highly doubt Q would do that, more over, it helped provide evidence to the Trial of Humanity. Picard bitched he did not need 18 of his crew to die to teach him the lesson, (clearly did he challenged Q provoking this encounter) Wolf 359 added more deaths to the lesson and did they learn? hell no, there they are three years later dickin about in the gamma quadrant where they where completely BTFO'ed by the Dominion. Clearly those 18 died for nothing. you also have the fallout of Picard ordering his crew to commit Genocide by turning Hue of Borg into a bomb to wipe out the Borg (isolated to one cube later found by Lure) adding more weight to the evidence against Humanity and later hearing his own orders echoed back by his CO before she promptly tells him i don't trust you to carry out your own order to wipe out the Borg so i'm replacing you with Jellico and sending you off to get killed off by your mission with the Cardassians for allowing your Federation ideals to get in the way of what needs to be done. (TNG: Chain of Command)
But the writers are idiots and know less about trek than I do. Fan fiction writers know more than that lot so it wouldn't surprise me if they did follow this plot thread so your not without merit. if you ignore the cannon, you can do anything.
I'm not an Uber fan, I just watched it THAT many times as there was F all else on i know the episodes inside and out. It's the same with Star Gate, even my grandmother mentioned i can identify any episode with only a few seconds of screen time or dialogue. it got so bad i can identify even the episode name I've seen the title card that often. i also have Asperger's so don't give a crap about spelling or grammer or anything else. your arguments are lost on me.
My Dad and I watched The Next Generation together in The 90’s , I only Wish he were here now To watch Picard , he passed away in February 2020 😔 Here’s To ya Dad , Engage !
and holy crap; John de Lancie looks frigging fantastic! :)
So Basically theyre re-doing the episode "Tapestry" over the course of a season
But poorly
If they could re do Tapestry for entire season and pull it off I would be happy.
It's one of my favourite ST episodes in general.
It's also Stewart's favourite episode so it has to be true :)
well, its life of one single man vs timeline of a whole quadrant, i wonder what'll be more interesting?!
I would love a ST series that is solely about Q.
And his nemisis isn't the Borg, but Wesley 'The Traveler' Crusher. I know. I know. Shut up, Wesley!
Oh go on I love the idea of q and Piccard getting it on. Q for Queer, love it !
The one truly responsible for the Federation encounter with the Borg is ensign Sonia Gomez. If she had not spilled her drink all over Picard he would not have encountered Q in the turbolift on his way to change his clothes in Q who?. Hence, no wolf 359, first contact damage, Anika getting assimilated, etc.
hahaha good one!
11:04 Q did gave Picard a chance to go back in time to stop himself from getting stabbed in the back but Picard ultimately decides to let himself get stabbed anyway.
Good episode. "Tapestry"
Well, Patrick Stewart stabbed all real Trekkers in the back. Both with his toxic Political Agenda and his Jack-Nasty portrayal of Picard in this series. 🤬
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@@charlestaylor253 Sounds like someone hasn't been understanding the series they've been watching all these years...
@@markcoburn8269 I've understood Stewart's Far-Left Political Agenda for a long time. Kurtzman's merely allowed him to express some of the inner contempt he's felt for Trek, it's Fandom, and the character he portrayed from 1987-2002. 🤬
Here we are again... a story idea so embedded into Trek history that I don't think the writers would ever consider it since they know nothing about Trek history to begin with
I am so glad that I don't watch this series and always remember Star Trek and the many series it as it was then what it will be now. This present day of writes are out to destroy everything we ever grew up with. In Star Trek 1.they make a gay 7 of 9, 2.then they make strong captain and then make him a hateful old man., 3.Now they going to change ALL OF STAR TREK (EVERY SERIES) and screw it so bad it won't be worth even thinking of watching let alone actually watching. I pity the new audience of this soon to be destroy Icon.
@@waltererhart3161 well, that's what the new generation does! Or wants to do! Rewrite history! Deny or lie about anything or everything that doesn't align with their sick veiws.
@@CowboySanta Which ones? I don't like New Trek, but you seem to have contempt.
Right? I doubt they have ever even seen "All Good Things".
@@waltererhart3161 DON’T EVER WATCH THIS! It utterly horrible in nature - It is NOT Star Trek. I don’t know what it is, but the Orville is exactly what I was looking for. Didn’t get anything from STD or STP apart from lense flares, smoking, drug addicts, drinking and swearing.
I'll never forget how accidentally glorious John became Q. Just running with it practically the day of hearing he got the role, throws together the costume and leans into it like the lore was there for years.
Looking forward like crazy. Thank you for this amazing channel.
Major flaw with the theory: Picard already got and understood the lesson and the necessity of meeting the Borg. He wouldn't want to change it to begin with - he doesn't need to repeat the learning experience. Lessons from Tapestry further solidify that. That being said, one cannot exactly expect these writers to be logical and consistent, and that theory could explain the trailer.
Am I excited about the season 2? No, I'm absolutely horrified. Writing Q properly requires talents these writers don't seem to have.
Whatever these writers come up with, I predict the following: it will be dark, nihilistic, present our heroes as far more flawed, feeble and selfish than we have ever seen them, and it will present the villains as victims or heroes outright. It will not be Roddenberry's hopeful vision of the future. How do I know all this? Because this theme would be consistent with Kurtzman Trek and practically all of modern scifi. It's called "deconstructionism", where one tears down the past because it doesn't fit some modern narrative. I was a life-long fan of Star Trek, but I stopped watching "Nu-Trek" years ago. It's really not Star Trek. It's something that's _called_ Star Trek.
agreed, while a neat story it would emulate that TNG episode too much
That's right. They won't understand Q just like how JJ didn't understand the Romulans.
"That which does not kill us? Makes us STRONGER!" A very old saying but quite true.
Thanks. Now I got that _30 Seconds To Mars_ song in my head.
You are forgetting that the Borg were already in Federation space at the end of Season 1 when they assimilated both Federation & Romulan Star Bases along the Neutral Zone. Which means they were coming for us anyway. Q just gave us a look at the enemy that we would be facing soon and gave us a chance to get ready.
Nice summary. Thank you for sharing this.
Recently re-watched the "Q introduces them to the Borg" episode.....Q did it cuz Picard and Riker were both rude, bitchie even, to him at the start of the ep. The lesson is to always be polite to god-like thingies.
I Think Q Knew they'd be Rude. Q has Always been much More Concerned with Teaching them some Valuable Lesson or getting them to where they need to be than in such other Concerns. Them being Rude was simply another Thing He had to get them to not be.
This is a tremendous plot theory. However, it's forgetting something significant. If Voyager doesn't have Seven Of Nine then they cannot help the Borg defeat Species 8472. These guys end the Borg and potentially take over the Delta Quadrant.
Not necessarily, remember in Voyager the borg threatened to assimilate the crew and take the info they needed, if they assimilate Voyager then they will have the knowledge to do what the doctor did and alter the nanoprobes on their own to win against species 8472.
@@adrianhosein7698 but without TNG's Q Who Voyager's Unity would have played out differently, if that affected the events of Scorpion enough so the Doctor wouldn't have been able to reprogram their nanoprobes to save Harry and defeat 8472. Even if the Borg didn't assimilate Voyager they did assimilate one of their probes so they would have headed towards Earth at the end of Voyager's 3rd season.
@@adrianhosein7698 I’m not sure Voyager figures out the problem without Seven. So the Borg assimilates Voyager, but the Borg doesn’t excel at ingenuity. I just don’t see them coming up with a defense that hasn’t been developed. Once developed, sure assimilation wins the day.
@@TownsGroup Good point. If the Borg had ingenuity they wouldn't need to rely so heavily on assimilating and acquiring technology from others. Ingenuity comes from free thinking. Unless the Borg queen could come up with the idea herself?
it could also have extreme implications on ds9 for example if jeniffer is still alive at the start of ds9 i wonder what the implications of that would be.
In TOS we also ve seen a Q. A younger one experiencing his abilities and than to be stopped by his parents.
Keep in mind that we saw the Q in Star Trek TOS. The Squire of Gothos was a child Q, and his Q parents showed up at the end of the episode to undo MOST of the damage he caused.
@@mitros4 yeah, and Kirk bitch slapped him 😂
Actually it is implied in Voyager that Anika's parents were studying the Borg before the incident Q Who. Thus, if true, Anika would still become Borg.
But it has also been established that the only reason hansons were looking for the borg was because of what happened back during the nx01 days so if that gets whipped from existence and that never happens then they never go looking for the borg because they don't know about them if I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's what I'm seeing
@@chrisbrewer5852 good point. It's a paradox!
@@Audioholics that's not a paradox...
Anikas parents went after the borg because of picards experiance with the borg, voyager was draged into the delta quadrant by the care taker whear they ran into the borg, so seven would not exist as 7 but the voyager crew would have been assimilated so the borg would havve known everything about the federation and this time attacked on mass without warning.
@@jaimes350 no it seems the Anika incident happened before Picard. Try a rewatch and I think you will agree.
This looks exponentially more promising and interesting than season 1. Actually excited to watch now!
From Picard Season 2 wiki: "Annie Wersching was revealed to be cast in the recurring role of the Borg Queen in September 2021, taking over the role from Alice Krige who portrayed the character in the film Star Trek: First Contact (1996) as well as the Voyager series finale. Susanna Thompson also portrayed the character in several episodes of Voyager.[11]
I don't know why they recast the queen, Alice or Susanna would have been still great for the role.
Excellent video... you did a great job bringing together alot of different points from the movies and the different series. Feb 2022 can not come soon enough
Loved this video. Thanks! I am excited for Picard season 2.
A theory, although one thing noticed. If Seven of Nine woke and felt something missing then she remembers her past as a Borg. Maybe it is only certain people that are affected or maybe it is a completely different storyline.
I love this idea and it would really help to restore some of my passion into the series. That said after Season 1 of Picard and Discovery I have major doubts. Season 1 made me so angry at what Trek has become and how weak and silly the writers made Picard, one of my favorite Trek characters. All that said, with Q coming back they got me hook line and sinker and I will give everything another chance because of the deep history and potential here. I really hope they do not mess it up.
I'm with you Michael! Picard and Discovery have been NOTHING but a big disappointment. They have been nothing like previous Treks and I am soooo disgusted with the "mirror universe" crap in Discovery! I loved "Mirror Mirror" but I am so over it now. Hopefully Q will bring Picard back to a series that we can enjoy watching!
I am a huge Star Trek fan, and this might seem old-fashioned, but I couldn’t watch season one of Picard, because of all the F bomb drops, and I don’t remember Star Trek being so woke, which is one of the reasons why I don’t watch Discovery. And like many have said here, I don’t like what they did with the Picard character in season one. What I liked about Q was his no nonsense, “I really don’t care what you think“ attitude. He spoke his mind even if it wasn’t politically correct, which I am afraid season one reeked of political correctness. Hopefully, season two will see the mistakes of season one and get back to the formula that made the Star Trek franchise so successful in the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
@@BornAgainRN Same with me. I drop F bombs all the time, but hearing it in Trek was just off putting.
Star Trek was among one of the wokest shows ever on the screen throughout its earlier iterations. It just never talked about it and in your face about it because that is what a society with true equality would be. I remember TNG episodes that explored inter-species (with it being humanoid, its more akin to interracial) relationships, non-binary genders, colonialism, religion, genocide, etc. It worked because it was written well and was not trying to preach to the viewer. It allowed the viewer to form their own opinion through the eyes of the characters.
You've got to keep all things in prospective. Sir Patrick Stewart is not an innocent little lamb, beholden to the writers and script. He has major creative control in the series. As the saying goes, "never meet your heros, you'll be disappointed." Absolutely applies to this situation as well. Sir Patrick Stewart is a lefty loon who's bought fully into the woke ideology. He didn't like his original Picard character. He doesn't like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump. He is a major reason the new show is so woke.
THEY. WILL. DESTROY. YOUR. HOPE. AND. WONDER. ...AGAIN.
I'm so glad that Q is making a comeback!!
I am almost 63 years old and i have seen every episode of every Star Trek and all the movie hundreds of times and as far as I am concerned any time Q showed up on any of them they were the best episodes EVER!!!! I can not weight for the upcoming seasons of Picard and I am sure Q will make all of them spectacular!!! Bravo John Delance BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope he shows up and looks right into the camera and says "Everything you watched in STD and STP has been a dream and never really existed in the Star Trek cannon" and disappears.
Picard can wake up in the recovery room after having his hart cleaved in 2 only for us to discover it was all a near-death dream and he is discharged for starting the fight in the first place. That ending would suck though (and be insanly cruel)
LOL
Good one!
It would be neat to bring back Wheaton who has fully realized his powers.
They actually brought him back in Nemesis, but they cut the scene from the film.
Interesting thought
That would actually be the opposite of neat
Bringing Wesley back is the antithesis of neat. It is an abomination that has not occurred, thankfully. I'm glad he is confined to his After Trek series where I am safe to ignore him in perpetuity.
Called it! Loved his scene in the Picard Season 2 Finale!
I love these two on screen together!
The themes in this video are exciting. I eagerly look forward to seasons two and three!
This is awesome! If this is true then my hope is to see the series ultimately culminate in Picard requesting that Q introduce humanity to the Borg earlier, as he originally did in "Q Who". It would be a neat self-fulfilling prophecy to have old-Q aid old-Picard in requesting that young-Q show young-Picard the Borg.
This adds another element to Picard's guilt from the deaths he caused as Locutus. Originally Picard was merely the tool of the Borg and had no direct control of his actions, merely regretting not having resisted more. However, if the aforementioned paradox does occur then Picard would be choosing to introduce humanity to the Borg in order to help the Federation be better prepared to fight the Borg later on. He would be choosing to take direct responsibility for these deaths, for the greater good of saving all of humanity.
In my opinion this would be a cool idea to simultaneously maintain, and exacerbate, the consequences of Picard's actions in TNG, whilst also allowing some resolution for the guilt held by the character!
Q was always among my favourite characters.
Without 7of 9 and Voyager, Species 8472 would have taken down the Borg before they reached Federation space.
Beautiful and wonderfully done
Way too good to be an Alex Kurtzman idea 😉
Regardless of the video, I still believe Data was right about Q and Picard. If you take the novels along for the ride, Q pretty much considers himself Picard's (and by extension, humanity's) "shepherd". If I had to make a small guess; the entire "event" throughout the 2nd season will be Picard and crew going through Q's version of an extended Kobayashi Maru.
Excellent synopsis and some very deep thought as to possible storylines! really enjoyed this ride!
I was actually able to follow along with everything you said and it made plenty of sense. Thanks for this explanation.
I'll pass, safe in the knowledge all of Kurtzman's garbage is behind a pay wall.
My disappointment with Q is only one episode during DS9. The Borg never showing up will also do a number on the Dominion War as well. There was the technology developed for the Borg used at the end of season 7 of DS9. So if the Borg show up "late", not just Voyager be messed over but DS9, Bajor, Gamma Quadrant, and a good chunk of the Alpha Quadrant.
I always thought that it was strange that the Borg never took on, to our knowledge, the Dominion. Or did they, and the Dominion kept it quiet, which is why they wanted the Alpha Quadrant? After all, it was Earth that seemed to manage to defeat the Borg every time (apart from Species 8472, who did). Were the Founders already on Earth, and in the Alpha Quadrant, to observe these events? It's a possibility...
@@chrismaguire3667 Your mentioning of the founders made us wonder, could the founders ever be assimilated? If so, what would that look like?
I've never seen the first season, but now you've got me hooked!
Good explanation brother Thank you
I can’t wait for this!! My theory is this has something to do with Picard becoming an android. Anything Borg in him is now gone. Perhaps he is some kind of vital link between humanity and the Borg?
Temper your hopes and expectations, people.
The last couple years have taught me how easy it is to let hype and excitement get the best of you. And how drastically disappointing that can make things turn out upon release.
in other words, there is no way the writers are this good, such a shame isn't it.
OMG this looks absolutely amazing!!
Fabulous and well done analysis!
Breaks my heart that the Actors dont
know and dont realize in what show they're in
and how their own Legacy is destroyed;
partially using them themselves.
Your in-video commercial was interrupted by another commercial. Come on UA-cam. Do you have no shame.
Brilliant vlog, truly looking forward to seeing More
This might be the series that also brings back Capt. Jonathan Archer as a “temporal consultant” to this crisis.