What Happened to the Crew of Voyager?
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2022
- When the intrepid vessel returned from its odyssey across the Delta Quadrant, it did so to a fanfare and celebration, but what happened after the series ended? Where did the crew go and what did these characters get up to? Let's look at some apocrypha and the canon to see what answers we have, from Prodigy's Protostar to the Handshake Tours of Lower Decks.
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I think the last episode of Voyager ended far too abruptly. They could’ve made a lot more out of the crew getting back to the Alpha Quadrant & being reunited with their loved ones, debriefing with Starfleet etc. Considering that was their ultimate mission for the entire series. It was almost like it was an after thought.
Still better than enterprise
@@janwitts2688 I’ve never really watched Enterprise.
Voyager was mostly a show about missed writing opportunities and squandered plots and themes.
Gene wanted to but a-lot of the cast was ready to move on he wanted one more episode to rap things up seeing janeway getting promoted to admiral and chakotay becoming captain and paris becoming his first officer and tuvok becoming the leader of the vulcan council
@@mikehance6086 Gene Roddenberry died in 1991?
It really says something about Harry's situation when I genuinely didn't know if you were kidding when you said he got sent back to the academy lol
poor Harry xD
Once an ensign, forever an ensign
Failure to earn promotion will do that! (That or discharge! )
The actor who played Harry said on his podcast "the Delta Flyers" that after he left star fleet Harry opened a restaurant in San Francisco called Admiral Kim's. So he was technically promoted, but just as a title as a restaurant owner.
@@beckydonoghue3452 lmao he had to compensate for his rank
I am still mad about what happened to Icheb. That was so heartbreaking to see. Always loved his character and I wish he had been developed more. I also wish the Borg girl child had stayed onboard, to continue her friendships with Icheb and Naomi.
As for Naomi, I love imaging her having to deal with sporadic Tribble outbreaks on K7.
But back to Icheb, Q Junior owed him at least one favor. Could have easily kept an eye on his wellbeing and saved his life at least once. Or at the very least ease his suffering... he didn't deserve such a tortuous death.
I would love to know what the hell went on in the writing room for Star Trek: Picard. Was the only requirement for the job application "talentless, insufferable edgelord"?
Apparently the actor tweeted something a writer for the show didn't like, so they killed his character off in the most gruesome way imaginable.
A decision as petulant and childish as it is shortsighted and weird. All things that can describe modern trek as a whole really... >__>
I am quite happy I don't and have never watched it.
Oooo I like the idea of Q Junior bringing him back.
Just ignore CBS Trek like most people do. That, and Disney Star Wars.
@@planescaped it had to do with the accusations about Kevin Spacey. Manu Intiraymi apparently made comments about Anthony Rapp (I think it was on Twitter) and how he should’ve just kept quiet about Kevin Spacey’s attempted sexual assault on him. So after Manu posted that the producers decided to not ask Manu Intiramyi back to reprise his role of Icheb and cast another actor. Icheb was even removed from Star Trek Online and replaced with a Vulcan.
I always imagined Chakotay retiring. Attempting to reconnect with his people and carve out a new life. I can see him being someone that still has connections to Starfleet and his renown grants him certain sway enabling him to go on an adventure or appear in one. Chakotay upon returning home realises that he doesn't really have one.
That is how the recent Janeway Autobiography book actually had it, @joe grimes .
Although Prodigy is clearly not going that route, we now know.
Chakotay was a member of a terrorist organization, him and every Mocky member may get a free pass by not going to jail but would realistically be at least on probation.
Same thinking. And after he re-connected with his people I assumed he'd take a teaching post at the academy, leaving room for possible romance with his former captain. I guess that only happened in the fanfics! LOL!
What about the Delany sisters what happened to the Delany sisters
I did not expect Harry to get busted down to cadet after all those years, what a twist =D
I didn't know it would make me that happy hearing that Harry got promoted but it did!
Isn't Harry from another dimension so they can't hold him responsible can they?
@@moffant4916 they can as he was listed as the harry kim on the crew after he crossed over so as such he is harry kim as far as starfleet cares
Who'd have expected he filled out his Starfleet entrance forms incorrectly? This is that happens when SSNs are expanded to 50 digits!
He should be Lt. Cmndr
The autobiography of Kathryn Janeway hints at the celebrity status of the crew after returning from the Delta Quadrant. Harry, Tom and Chakotay has to wear fake beards, hats, sunglasses etc. Tuvok immediately return to Vulcan so he could be with his family. Seven of Nine headed up the Borg division of Starfleet where along with the Doctor she develop a implant that stopped assimilation. The Doctor's mobile emitter was successfully replicated by Starfleet engineering and install in all EMH programs allowing the EMH to leave sickbay efficiently giving a starship two Doctor's
The Doctor's mobile emitter was successfully replicated by Starfleet engineering.
But was that not future tech?
@@spacelogic101whatif Yes however Starfleet engineering was able to replicate it. The mobile emitter was future tech but since the Doctor use it without any consequences Starfleet medical felt it can be used on all ships EMH's elimating the need for holoemitters being installed throughout a entire starship
@@leejohnstone894 So why not use the anti borg weapons then?
@@spacelogic101whatif they do! You have the TR-116 rifle which fires titanium projectiles and can split a drone's head open like a melon. Then you have the multi phaser rifle. Me I'll rather use the TR-116 rifle only on semi automatic...watch the drone's run away in fear. When facing the Borg Queen I'll pull out a 44 magnum and blow her head clean off and say "adapt to that bitch"
@@spacelogic101whatif Riker: what do you need? Me: guns!...lots and lots of guns. Seven of Nine: nobody has done anything like this before. Me: that's why it's going to work
I never understood how Harry was an ensign the entire run of the show. However, Tom was a lieutenant. Busted down to ensign again and then got lieutenant back before the end of the show. Also what happened to the remaining crew of the Equinox that had been absorbed into Voyagers crew? They had been busted down to crewmen. I wonder if they had been pardoned due to the circumstances they had to survive in?
For Harry, unless Tom or one of the other senior staff had been killed off, there was no room for advancement. Tom had re-gained Janeway's trust and proved he wouldn't fuck up again. As for the Equinox crew, I've wondered that myself. I actually hated the way they ended the show. It was like, ok, what now guys??? Many times I've thought of different scenarios of what they did and how fast they must have been promoted. Harry being the first! It was awesome seeing Seven again on Picard though. I hope they have some stories from her and the crew. Also hated the way Icheb went out. Didn't deserve that. :(
Janeway was worried about back pay if they promoted harry as for tom he technically wasn't a crew member so back pay wouldn't of been an issue when they made it back it's all about the gold press latinum
IIRC, the producers refused to promote the character because they didn't like the actor.
@@Driver0378 I hope they fix that with the time travel this season, It will still be part of Sevens character as a mother figure, but we get Manu back ❤
@@leomarshall4059 now that is petty
I'm still flummoxed on how Seven and Chakotey ended up an item. Respected coleagues fine? Friends? Sure. However there was never any chemistry there and he seemed more like a natural pair with Janeway while Seven and The Doctor seemed to continually hit it off. Maybe not romantically but.
That pair just leaves me scratching my head on what they were on.
I'm with you on this one! It was a stupid decision from the writers and I've heard other ST UA-cam accounts claim that it was also a result of a bet between Brannon Braga and Beltran that he wouldn't let anyone kiss his girlfriend, who was Jeri Ryan at the time. So Braga put their characters together to win the bet. 🙄 Don't know if that's true, but it definitely makes that decision even dumber if it is.
What were their other choices on the Ship?...Love the one your with and it might even stick
@@jprice6419 Chakotay literally could have picked AAAAAAANY other available woman on that ship to date. Given that fact that she was assimilated around age 5, and spent so long in the collective, her human socio-emotional growth was severely stunted. Just look at the way she lightweight threw tantrums and pushed people out of her way like a bad-mannered child would in her early episodes as evidence. Even though biologically she was an adult and intellectually was a genius, developmentally she was a teenager at best by the end of Voyager's journey. So also, there's the super gross angle that Chakotay who was middle-aged by the end of Voyager was dating a very inexperienced woman with the maturity level of a teenager. He should have known better.
But alas, I blame the writers' lack of sense for this idiocy. Chakotay’s not a mid-life crisis, he was just written that way.
@@railroad5024 yep that's a good point. It's basically statutory r*pe. The reason that doing that to kids is highly illegal isn't because of their height/size or anything like that. It's because they are mentally underdeveloped, and so they don't understand the consequences, and can be easily manipulated by adults into doing things they don't really know what to do, and so they can't legally consent, even if they think they actually want it to happen, they don't know, because they're confused and easily tricked. That's why it can still be statutory r*pe even if the person is an adult physically, if they're severely mentally disabled and so have the mind of a child. 7 of 9 never really left childhood. She barely knows how to have a conversation with an adult, let alone have sex with them.
And it just gets even more creepy when you see things like her and Naomi Wildman being best friends. That was put in the show to show everyone how old 7 of 9 was, development wise. We were meant to see her as really basically the same as Naomi. Both are incredibly smart. But they're still young children.
@@duffman18 yeeeeaahhh I wouldn't go as far as to label it statutory r-pe. In my mind, Seven had the maturity of a teen like 17-19 years old by the end of the show. So not quite as socio-emotionally underdeveloped to not know what she was doing and be unable to consent, but enough to make it highly inappropriate for Chakotay to entertain her romantic advances anywhere past her "social experiment". I like to think of Chakotay as a character with lots of integrity, so I would hope he wouldn't manipulate her into doing things she wasn't ready for. But at his age, he'd probably be wanting more from relationships than people who are just beginning to experience dating aren't ready for yet. At least that how he tends to get written in post-Endgame "fixer-upper" fan fiction lol. I think there was plenty of other young ensigns/lieutenants/crew on that ship writers could have had him pursue since Janeway kept herself off limits. Jor, Marla (from equinox crew, and bonus points she blonde lol), Henley, or Nicolletti for example. All probably quite younger than him, but likely experienced enough that they wouldn't be so vastly unmatched maturity wise.
Plus in my head I'm holding onto the books that say they broke up like a couple weeks after Voyager returned and refuse to think that Chakotay and Seven were together long enough for her to get to the point of requesting to "experiment" in that activity 🤮. Anybody who says otherwise is **puts hands over ears** 🎶 LA LA-LA LA-LAAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUU!🎶 lol 😆
This gave me a warm fuzzy learning that most of the crew, especially the ones from the first three seasons, had good outcomes after the ship arrived back on Earth. Thanks for doing the research and letting us know what you found.
Even if it was a joke, I'm taking Harry Kim remaining an Ensign until he's 81 years old as canon :P
I would love to see him show up on Lower Decks, still as Admiral Janeway's "assistant", and still an ensign.
Mariner: Forever-Ensign Harry Kim! My Hero!
Kim: ... thanks.
Yeah, and bring in Naomi Wildman as his "supervisor"
I'm waiting to hear he fell in love with an asteroid. Antimatter of course
Well, he's from an alternate universe, so pretty much any weird idea Starfleet comes up with is believable.
Like Smithers to Janeways Burns
That'd work. Technically he's an Ensign... but he's also the right hand of the greatest Admiral in the entire fleet.
If memory serves, Seven of Nine was supposed to make a cameo appearance in Star Trek Nemesis as Admiral Janeway's adjutant. If accurate it would suggest that Seven received a Starfleet officers commission.
In Alpha canon it is stated that once Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant it was converted into a Museum to exhibit the discoveries the crew made in on their journey home. If this is the case it's likely that the crew went on to serve on another vessel, perhaps a new Intrepid class straight out of Utopia Planitia christened USS Voyager NCC-74656-A.
The reason for the change of Seven appearing on ST: Nemesis had to do with Jeri Ryan's schedule. She was on another show on ABC at the time, and she was not able to schedule around it. So they changed it to Admiral Janeway making an appearance.
@@PatriciaLLogan I actually like the story better with Janeway. She really played the cool badass aunt who's seen everything, is not taking your BS and doesn't give a F if you tell your parents she slapped you across the face for talking back to her. Then the very next week smokes a joint with you LOL.
I always liked how Elite Force 2 had Tuvok eventually succeed Worf/Tasha's role on the Enterprise
Probably gave Picard some serious Starship Mine Deja Vu. :P
There was an “Elite Force 2”?? On what format? PC, PS2? “Elite Force” was one of my favorite games!!! How did I miss the sequel??? 🤦🏼♂️
@@paddy7812 My brother had it for PC and played about half of it.
"I thought I'd killed you with a horse saddle?"
"No, that was my previous model, 1-Vok. I am 2-Vok, and 3-Vok is on the way too"
I'm 100% convinced this was Tuvok being undercover as a human.
@@impishrebel5969 🤣 Tuvok is one of my favorite characters! Rather logically sarcastic!! When 7 caught Be’lannas wedding bouquet and asked “what is the significance of this”? His deadpan “You may not wish to know” was awesome!!
I wish we would have had a Riker series after Voyager. It would have been the perfect vehicle to tie up all the loose threads from TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Funny part is that Tom Paris was originally supposed to be Nick Lacarno from the TNG episode “The first duty”, that’s why they had the same actor playing him.
After finding out that they’d have to pay the original creator of the Lacarno character every time is first or last name was used, they decided to make him an original character.
The actor (Robert Duncan McNeill) even said he knew about it, and was upset they changed the character. He said he tried to talk them into a reveal at the very end that he had been Lacarno all along, and his fake name/story was just a cover so the people on the ship wouldn’t blackball him for being responsible for the death of a cadet and cover up, but they denied his request.
Damn!
I always thought he was that guy anyway. I mean he was obiously the same actor, came out of prison he was in because of an accident and all that and who really remembers the name given to a character staring in one episode.
that crazy that had to pay to use something that was theirs anyway. Its not like fan fiction character but it shame though.
@@spark300c That was just pure greed. They'd have to pay him Royalties. Literal pennies on the dollar that they made from each Voyager show since the character is only a small part of it. I get the same thing from part of a song I helped write 5 years ago that got sampled into another song that became a small-hit. I get like 0.5% of its earnings every 6 months.
It would have been funny if, in "Non Sequitur", where Tom was drinking himself to death in Sandrine's... if fellow loser Nick Lacarno had been drinking alongside him.
I wanted Icheb and Naomi to become a couple like they were in Shattered. Both were great characters on the show to be fair.
This video brings some closure for me since I watched voyager when I was a kid as it came out. I like the idea that Tuvak, Harry, the Doctor, Seven and Neelix were spearheading contact with the Delta quadrant. Seems appropriate since they had significant experiences there. I’m waiting to see if Janeway and Chakotay finally got together as well. Glad to hear that Harry finally got his promotion. Glad to hear B’Elanna and Tom settled into family life. Keep wondering if we’ll see their daughter sometime soon.
'Seven of Nine's relationship with Chakotay doesn't work out...' Which most fans are fine with as it was once voted the WORST on screen relationship on TV at the time.
I like that her first real relationship (after unimatrix zero-one dude) was with Chakotay. The "first" you usually don't forget that easily. It was a way to further her humanity and to open up romantically with someone. I guess I'm in the minority with those two.
@@Nitique05 Very human to make horrible mistakes in dating after all :)
She got more chemistry with Harry and Axum than in any scene with Chakotay.
Vorik's fate is all I cared about, just as Morn's in DS9
Morn lived forever and ever and nobody can ever tell me different.
@@nuru666 and JEEZ did he tell everyone about it!!!!!
Gab Gab Gab the guy NEVER shut up!!!!!
@@andreworiez8920 lol you couldn't stop the guy once he started
Ayala was Voyager's Morn... always there, never seen talking.
I'll be honest, I'd watch a Voyager spin-off with Chakotay as skipper.
@Marcus Jones actually it’s cannon lol he’s the former captain f the protostar somehow the greatest ship ever built no one has heard of
I'd watch anything that comes out as Star Trek...
@Marcus Jones Not as farfetched as you may think,
The charactor of Kira Neryes was a terrorist (as in she committed acts of terror rather than just being lablet a terrorist), and commanded the USS Defiant and DS9, she was comissioned by Starfleet as a Commander towards the end of DS9.
In real life
Most of the USAs founding fathers could be considered terrorists,
Nelson Mandella who served as president of South Africa had before that spent decades in prison as a terrorist bomb maker.
Captain Sir Thomas Cochran, member of Parlement was kicked out of the Royal Navy and stripped of his knighthood after being convicted of stock exchange fraud, although he was allowed to continue as an MP (the conviction was later overturned), left the UK for Chile, where he helpedform that nations navy and liberate Chile and several other South American countries (the Spanish certainly would have considerred him a terrorist or the 19th centuary equivelent thereof) then he was welcomed back into the Royal Navy as an Admiral (being promoted upon his return)
@Marcus Jones In lore, the maquis were citizens that lived on worlds that the Federation ceded to the Cardassians to keep them from starting a war with the Federation. The maquis, as a result, defended themselves from Cardassia. Chakotay, a Starfleet officer, resigned his commission after Cardassia killed his entire family on one of these worlds and Starfleet refused to do anything because they didn't want to start a war. When Chakotay resigned, he joined the Maquis to defend his home. There was a lot of support for the maquis among some starfleet officers, and they assisted them with weapons secretly. Regardless, 3-4 years later, the Federation was at full-scale war with Cardassia. I don't think, in this context, it would be that difficult, given Chakotay's leadership aboard Voyager, to forgive him for defending his home against an enemy that ultimately declared war on the federation anyways.
@Marcus Jones It's called "amnesty".
Wouldn't The Doctor's mobile emitter be held in quarantine with other futuristic tech since it came from the 29th century?
I guess they let him keep it as removing it might violate his rights (or force Starfleet to confront what his rights are)
Legal loophole: The emitter was made in 29th century, but voyager got it in 1996 when they were taken to the past by captain Braxton. Since it's technically a historical artifact obtained from a dead CEO in the past, it's not legally from "the future" according to federation temporal law.
Of course i'm bullshitting, but a lot of federation law is weird.
@@nurdyoga8228 Technically it was stolen futuristic tech as was the rest of the items Henry Starling stole from Captain Braxton up to and including the timeship Aeon
@@nurdyoga8228 Since the temporal police didn't confiscate the technology themselves, it's likely that the 29th century temporal prime directive gave a pass to it being kept and the modifications to the timeline that that would cause.
I'm convinced that the current(ish) century Starfleet is in contact with the 29th century starfleet in matters of maintenance of the timeline and otherwise, and are getting orders from them in a shadowy-figure-in-the-column kind of way about what temporal slip-ups should be given a pass and which ones should be interdicted upon. See also Starfleet's willingness to not only give a pass but also a personal pat on the back to Kirk for going back in time to grab a couple whales(and giving the past the technology for sapphire glass in the process. Oh, you thought Aluminum Glass was just technobabble? Nah, it's what your phone screen might be made from, depending)
@@TacComControl Are they getting genetic modifications as a reward for doing what future Starfleet says as well?
Wonderful information. It was about time getting to see what happened to them after all the problems they had leaving the delta quandrant!!!
I was gutted when the series ended, especially when we didn’t really get a chance to see how the crew adapted to being home and reintegrating into Star Fleet on Earth.
I think the important question to ask is... what about crewman Chel? It's all fun and games until we forget about the Bolians.
he's still cleaning stuff
He retired with his brother Mott, they work as consultants on Romulan (Mott) and Delta Quadrant (Chel) affairs for private hire.
You shouldn't get all blue about it
The ending pissed me off, I wanted to see a full epilogue, celebrations ect.
We're assuming that Prodigy is set in 2383, because that's what promo material lead us to assume last year. But the actual year hasn't been given in the show yet, unless I missed it. (And I haven't seen last night's episode yet). But that 17 year number is suspect, so either you're right, and there's time travel involved, or the writers are not beholden to promo material info, and have chosen to go in another direction.
I'm doing a recap this Sunday about the my current Prodigy theories and, yeah, this is top of my list. It would also explain the sheer amount of alpha quadrant proliferation.
It seems very regrettable that Lt. Carey survived all the way up until the 7th season, only to be killed a few episodes before Voyager made it home. =(
Nice little obit for Vorik at the end.
There are many things I don’t like about PIC, but the biggest one that really ticked me off was the gruesome death of Icheb. Back in Voyager he survived assimilation two times by his horrible parents, made it to the alpha quadrant, and was a big part of Seven’s life. Then PIC came along and decided to screw all that and give the poor kid a painful death just for shock factor. It pains me rewatching Voyager episodes with him knowing what his fate will be. I know there were many meaningless deaths in Star Trek, but I felt like Icheb’s death really tops all.
one of my all time favorite shows. can watch Voyager all day. loved this.
Regarding Nelix.. in my headcanon/fanfiction. he grew his little colony into a substantial "little federation" based on federation principals. The asteroid colony became an entertainment hub with many holo suites similar but bigger than Deep Space9. A Las Vagas type economy. The other groups in Little federation included the Miners(dont remember what they are called) and several other local species, The BorgCoorporative and Ocampa and others like the TakTak and the PhotonicBeings who could interact with them via the Holosuites ! .. seems like a good story .. well in my head at least ..
Brilliant. Thank you for the wrap!
Thank you for this video I didn't know I needed! Brillant!
Great video! I'd love to see one for the DS9 crew as I've never read any of the novels. I know that Picard canon tells us what happened to Seven of Nine, but I'm more a pick and choose what you like guy when it comes to canon so I'm ignoring that entire show for many reasons. 😁
There's always Memory Beta to read up on what happens to the characters in the books.
Too dark for me, and Picard is really dead?
I liked Seven being an ambassador and unofficial leader in the Borg Cooperative in _STO_ . Of course, canon has no such thing as self-liberated Borg. A shame, I like to see how things that were established previously could have potentially gone on. I feel similarly about the Romulan Republic as opposed to the Romulan Free State (of which we know nothing except for the name and symbol). I hope CBS has the sense to leave Kuumarke and her people out of canon, as they are the last truly _TNG_ - feeling characters in the franchise. That the Lukari are original to _STO_ only adds to that, in my opinion.
It doesn't? Sure it does. That was what Hugh and Lore and his bros were, weren't they? Self-liberated borg. Hugh got liberated originally by the enterprise crew, but he spread it to the rest of his borg mates himself, and so they left the collective, somehow, before running into Lore and deciding to follow him, because they were in desperate need of a leader and a direction to go down in life, and Lore was a narcissist little prick and so he'd never turn down the chance to rule over people, especially with the borg being his private army meaning he was one of the most powerful leaders in the galaxy because nothing has the strength and durability of a borg, not even Klingons or Jem Hadar. Well except for Lore and Data and B4 of course, but that wouldn't make an army, even if all 3 of then worked together
My theory in how they actually managed to leave the Borg without being destroyed by them has always been that the borg _LET_ them go. Like cutting out a tumour to save a patient. If someone has breast cancer, you end up having to remove the whole breast, to be safe, so it doesn't spread any further. The borg could see that what was essentially a computer virus was spreading through their ranks, so that more and more borg would become individuals if they didn't stop it. Even though enterprise had decided against using the virus they specifically designed to do this to the borg to destroy them for the sake of Hugh being an individual sentient being, his individuality had somehow remained anyway and achieved the same thing, helping tons of borg liberate themselves. And since this individuality virus could spread through air/space via the borg Wi-Fi connection, they didn't even want to get within lightyears of Hugh's ship because the individuality virus would spread to any borg ship that got near them, and then the borg would have to send another ship to destroy that one and so on. Letting a few hundred borg go so that the disease wouldn't spread anymore, would be the most logical option.
I haven't seen all of Picard yet so I don't know if they ever talk about this (cos I know Hugh is actually in it and is mates with Picard still). That'd be cool if they did. Cos a new war against the borg a century after the dominion war would be a cool idea for a show. The borg more powerful than ever, adapted to resist the ways in which people like Picard and janeway came up with to destroy the borg (like they're weak to physical bullets in First Contact, so start making huge physical torpedoes again or something for attacking borg cubes, instead of phasers and photon torpedoes which can easily be blocked by shields because they're not really physical). It could be a pure war show, like Band of Brothers but in space. Could be a miniseries too. And you could make it M-Rated like band of brothers was, to show the reality of what war is like
There was an episode I remember from when I was still a kid, where 7/9 was connecting with free Borg in her dreams and the queen had to go there. I was sent to bed before I found out how it ended.
@@chibigirl8545 they weren’t free. They went to Unimatrix Zero when they regenerated and forgot about it after waking up. Eventually, Janeway helps to free those drones who were in Unimatrix Zero. Some of them manage to take over a ship or two
@@duffman18 They were still more renegades than an established free faction of their own, that can last awhile. I see the Cooperative as a sort of extension of the consequences of both Hugh and those _Voyager_ freed from Unimatrix Zero.
Well done, thank you for putting this together.
It's awesome and beautiful touch of nostalgia, thank you very, verry, verrry much! More please! Bravo! Bravissimo!
There should have been at least another Voyager episode, mostly showing them adjusting to being back home.
Trek series never have a good ending, they just end.
At least we're getting follow-ups on the Voyager crew with the new ST series, such as Picard and Intrepid. It's good to see one Intrepid episode doing the long-awaited follow-up on the Equinox crew.
A movie to cap off Voyager would have been good. Set 5-10 years after they return, some issue where they needed to return to the Delta quadrant. Janeway calls on the old crew that she trusts. Area they were the only ones familiar with.
@@Skipper-nq4gdwho said this?
A wonderful idea.
Love the video and love voyager allways wondered how things went when the crew got back to earth
Thank you. I've been asking for this for years!!!!
Thank you for making this video// I was surprised how popular the crew of the Voyager became
We know from star Trek Picard that 7 of 9's path turns out VERY differently from the one described by "Admiral" Janeway in the series' finale. She was supposed to have begun a relationship with Chakotay and gotten married. That is different.
And as for Chakotay - not sure how canon it is - he is supposed to have become the former Captain of the Protostar from Star Trek Prodigy.
Chakotay and Seven ? Yuck 🤮
@@joycebrown1413 It's a shit load better than the "out of nowhere" lesbian relationship she has now. Like seriously, no one really minds same sex relationships or someone being gay, but at least let there be, signs of it. To just slap us in the face with it and say accept this it you are a homophobe, is some bullshit. I mean the writers just sit around and spit-ball this shit with no consideration for continuity or history. We don't know what to do with this character, soooooo, let's make them gay. And we get backlash, it's just because people are homophobic. Really?? Is that really intelligence on the part of writers??
Tuvok entered the time portal and time traveled back to 2000s era earth. He was able to disguise himself as a high school principal in the Seattle area until he was rescued.
lol is that icarley or hannah montana or something
Just want to say thanks for taking the time to make and edit these vids.
Fun and informative.. I didn't know 80% of what you told us about.. I'm glad I clicked on the vid! Thank You!!!
Excellent video, very good research! How about doing a similar on for the crew of NX-01?
I imagine all of them got promoted upon returning home. They explored a part of the galaxy that they were not supposed to be in for another century, and sent home a treasure trove of information of new civilizations and new species. But I figure Janeway at least would take some years off as an admiral until she was ready to get back on a bridge.
Thank you Rick for another excellent video, as per usual!
This was awesome.
Thanks for the video respect and keep up the epic work.
I just started watching Picard a few weeks ago and the Icheb scene still stings in the old feels...and then Hugh too. Dirty pool Mr Kurtzman...dirty pool indeed. :(
For me, William Shatner's Star Trek books are canon. And he has several members of the Voyager crew playing important roles in the storylines. ADMIRAL Janeway shows up a lot, as well as Tuvok. I love that he has Tuvok serving on the Titan, Captain Riker's ship. I really wish they would make Shatners books into movies. He seamlessly has the original series crew working with TNG crew, and also Voyager crew. And theres plenty of smart action and fun adventures they go on.
Great info breakdown my family and I just finished watching Voyager for the first time just recently. So its nice to get some information on what happed to them. Can't wait to see how Star Trek Prodigy handles the old Voyager crew should members outside of the two we've seen show up.
Great video, I just finished my re-watch of voyager a couple of days ago, the timing could not be better.
Actually, the Harry Kim in Star Trek Online turned out to be the one from the Alternate timeline, with the one from the Prime timeline waking up only to find himself a Kobali. It was a very strange set of missions, that. Turns out, after Prime Kim was jettisoned into space, his frozen corpse was discovered by a Kobali ship, taken to Kobali, & then put into a maturation chamber to receive the Kobali's way of reproducing. While you're on Kobali dealing with a Vaadwaur invasion, Prime Kim wakes up & you have to go deal with him because he still thinks he's actually Harry Kim until you get to the end of the mission dealing with him & he realizes he actually died. It's crazy.
And until they rewrote the entire Starfleet storyline in STO, there used to be a mission in the early part of the game where you actually had to help Paris's daughter deal with some kind of conference dealing with the Klingons & people trying to sabotage it. It was one of the few missions where which career path you'd chosen for your character actually mattered, & you find out that B'ellana had actually become something of an Ambassador between Starfleet & the KDF because of being half of each & the mother of the Klingon Messiah. But now, it's gone.
As for the Doctor, his mobile emitter would become the basis for a whole slew of BOFF's, from the Holographic Tactical Officer in the Lobi store, to the Holographic Doctor that's a part of the Rank 4 Phoenix pack, to the set of holographic versions of the DS9 secondary Dominion War era crew, to even a holographic version of Leeta. And you even get a copy of the Mk 1 Doctor as an Epic Duty Officer, after one of the Delta Quadrant missions. So, the Doc's been a heavy influence.
@FanOf Dueling It wasn't a Klingon mission. It was one of the early Starfleet ones. You were actually fighting Klingons, & disarming the bombs they'd set up. It was actually one of the first career-specific missions, because if you were an Engineer you could chose to use your Engineering prowess to disarm the bomb without having to cut the wires in a specific order.
@FanOf Dueling No. It took place in several environments, ending with you following the Torres/Paris daughter on a planet, running around defusing bombs & such. You didn't actually meet any of the diplomats until the mission was almost over.
You're right about it being about a peace summit with Klingons. That was the entire reason why other Klingons wanted to disrupt the talks by killing everyone - Starfleet & Klingon alike - there.
Tom Paris was my favorite character from voyager
So true. It's understated how much Voyager's return meant to return coming off of the Dominion War. Any news was good news and great for morale.
Thanks for your review and the work you put into doing it.
Harry Kim exempted. He stayed an Ensign forever. Every time he was up for promotion Admiral Janeway would call him and just laugh.
How many times did Paris pass up Harry for a promotion? I feel like Tom could have been busted down to amoeba and he still would have made lieutenant before Harry.
Yes, even Naomi Wildman becomes admiral rather than he Commander.
I would LOVE to see an all new *VOYAGER 2.0 series ! For me Voyager was/is the BEST Star Trek series EVER !* They really need to blow new life, into the VOYAGER SERIE !
That's why we need a new Prodigy season
Great video. Thank you for preparing and posting.
Thanks for all the work, it is appreciated.
In STO Seven is still with the Fenris Rangers by 2411. In the mission from the 10th anniversary Seven says she will inform the Rangers to keep an eye out in this region as its discovered its Orion pirates not the Borg that are interfering with comm bouys outside FED space in the Beta Quadrant. Seems to imply Starfleet is willing to tolerate the Rangers Policing activities as long as its outside Federation territory. Maybe because this group is able to do what Starfleet cant interfering in security matters outside Federation juristiction. Wouldn't be surprised if Starfleet secretly supplies the Rangers using them like a proxy police force. And given the Rangers also work along the old Romulan borders wouldn't be surprised either if the Klingon Empire is helping them out too. The Klingons have previous with them secretly supplying the Maquis.
possible, but personally i think its more likely that the federation just has too much on its plate to start hunting down random people outside their territory, who arent even a threat to most people. they have bigger fish to fry. as for supporting them, not only does the federation have even more of a stick up its ass than usual in the picard timeline and likely wouldnt do that, but it looks very critical on lynchjustice in general, as demonstrated by picards reaction to sevens plan. so, not very likely either i think.
@@jenshep1720 Yet the Fed has comm buoys outside Fed space. It obviously thinks it needs them (for when Fed ships are on legit missions outside Fed space) so it has to have a plan to protect them, or is willing to write them off or expend its own resources replace them as needed. Diplomatic agreements will work in some places but not where pirates operate, or where local governments don't have reliable control of their populations e. g. the Nausicaans.
It makes some sense to offload the protection/replacement work onto an organization with some semi-official/unofficial sanction like the Rangers but there's the Fed's risk of negative diplomatic consequences if the Rangers get up to hijinks the Fed can't be seen backing.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't, but they can't afford not to.
@@markfergerson2145 Those comm buoys are there as an early warning system against for example the borg. and, as you said, to keep in touch with federation vessels outside their territory. theyre not being protected in any special way, i myself had to fly up to some of them and fix them after orion pirates had damaged them in star trek online.
Ah, the perils of rewriting an MMO's plot to stay current with new Trek, when it's very early PREMISE relied on it's own unique timeline as backstory (especially about Data, his commanding the Enterprise-E, 7 of 9 in the anti Borg taskforce, Ambassador Picard and so much more...)
It all starts to look a little bit limiting to artistic integrity. We already have a confirmed multiverse, after all.
@@chrissonofpear1384 For me the big pitfall so far with STO trying to incorporate all the new canon is the Romulans. The free Romulan Government or Zhat Vash never been mentioned yet they incorporated the attack on Mars. STO needs a story arch that's Romulan focused that can sort this out and find a way to incorporate the Star Empire, Tal Shiar, Zhat Vash, the free Romulan government that apparently sprang up in the wake of Romulus' destruction mentioned in Picard and the Republic.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one pushing for Janeway and Chakotay the Janetay or Chakotay-way if you will
Is there a generally accepted ship name so this particular romance northern seem to work particularly well it just seem logical that once they didn't have the responsibility of mother and father slash captain and commander for a lost crew that after a time they would realise that it wasn't responsibility but shared interest and an emotional connection kept them in each other's orbit after all after all that time none of the other relationships we can't guarantee that the existing relationship still exist after all the resistance has been killed during the Dominion war and god knows what's happening with janeway's other half and then you truly experiences will have changed them
I remember seeing someone call them ChakoWay.
Janeway and Chakotay ? Yuck 🤮
Thank you for this voyager needed this amazing vid
Thankyou for this wonderful video :D
Dude, you skipped something about the EMH. In the Voyager Episode: Living Witness", he traveled 700 years into the future,
I wonder if the EMH ever made it back to Earth.
I think in the episode it was said he was a backup or something stupid like that, otherwise the timeline would not add up
Capt. Chakotay and Admiral Janeway acutally get together in the later books of the Full-Circle series.
This, there's a whole arc.
My TTRPG group has been playing Star Trek Adventures for awhile. We're a mixed group of starfleet cadets and Klingon Officers forced together by circumstances similar to the Voyager and Maquis crews.
We were in the Delta Quadrant, though a different part than what Voyager saw, but eventually managed to make contact with home. And who did we get? Admiral Kathryn Janeway. (Our GM does an amazing Janeway voice.)
She brought the Dauntless to rescue us, pulling some strings off "screen" she was joined by Captains Tom Paris and Harry Kim, Commander Naoimi Wildman, The Doctor, and Seven.
Even though it was absolutely not alpha canon, it was wonderful to see some of the family together again.
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Vorik possibly may not have been on Utopia Planitia when the it was destroyed... Perhaps he was on "vacation" on vulcan... to coincide with his Pon Farr? (I have no idea, nor inclination to find/figure out how this theory fits on the cannon "timeline")
Vulcans don't vacation.
@@matthewdavies2057 Hence the quotation marks.
@@luvondarox Exactly. Perhaps I should have called it a Pon Farr pilgrimage?
After 7 years in the Delta Quadrant and all the crap they went through, I would think some of these people would have said, enough is enough! I want a quiet life now.
I would leave.
You would think, yes, but they’ve probably got too much to do and so much to teach.
wonderful REWATCH thanks again
I know this is two years old at this point but thaaaank you for putting this together. Just finished my second ever watch thru of voyager and I had not realized how bothered I was by that non-ending end to the show. I feel much better having some idea how things potentially turned out and being on the other end of the Picard series to know where they took that seven of nine arc
*a video of possible speculation as to what happened to the other races that Voyager made contact with in the Delta Quadrant after they left what impact if any did they make?*
Some races in particular:
The Hirogen
The Borg
The Ankari
The Spirits of Good Fortune
The Kazon
The Trabe
My thoughts:
The Kazon: the Borg rejected them as unworthy of assimilation, but now the Kazon have come into contact with Federation and Cardassian technology. This could alter their technology to such a degree the Borg might change their minds and start assimilating the Kazon.
The Ankari: more wary about being generous with strangers in future.
The Hirogen: more dangerous and powerful than before.
Kim should be promoted to ensign first class. Anything else is just weird
Harry: Ensign First Class what the hell is that???
Janeway: What I promote you to before I promote you to Senior Ensign.
Harry should just go back to Taresia. 🤷
"I've been Rick" like you have a choice and today you chose Rick....i love that close!
Fascinating!! Thank you!!
You forgot the Doctor, after his time on the serving as the medical director for the planet, he decided he felt homesick and after 100's of years, decieded to "return home" He likely made it back to federation space around the time of the burn... except the ship he would have been using wasn't anti-mater powered do wouldn't have suffered.
that was the backup system doctor so i love they idea the two doctors met each other
The burn did not effect antimatter. Its effected dilithium.
@@RandomNJ I know, BUT only antimater ships used dilthium. Romulan singulairty ships, didn't. Nor did a lot of gama quadrant races. Heck even earth used fusion reactors for older warp ships. All it took was "plasma" to be run through the warp coils. Problem was fusion reactors were big, and didn't generate a lot of plasma for their size, meaning it limited how fast the ship could go and how big the ship could be.
@@jenniferstewarts4851 further proof of how poorly written Discovery is...
@@topogigio7031 Seriously, the Civilian warp 2 freighters in enterprise didn't have anti-mater reactors. those things cost to much, were far to new, and were reserved for starfleet ships.
Dilithium didn't exist on earth, the Pheonix didn't use it, it used a fusion reactor to make its historic warp 1 flight.
This is like... a massive EMP hitting the earth... and people instantly forgetting that sailboats will still work, that older diesel cars will still work, that... steam engines, steam freighter, and such will still work.
Unsung hero: Reginald Barclay. Period.
Thanks for making this video.
Season 2 of Picard helped to clear up some stuff with Seven most recently. The mobile emitter has been now used in Season 2 of Picard well the Star Fleet version of sorts.
Janeway was noted in Star Trek: Nemesis as becoming an Admiral
Apparently Chakotay was reinstated with Starfleet and became Captain of the Protostar, more details on that are forthcoming.
Seven of Nine and Icheb were covered in Picard
As for the rest, I imagine Tom and B'ellana going civilian, opening their own custom shuttle business, organizing shuttle races, and Tom writing creative holo-novels
Harry would finally get promoted beyond Ensign
Tuvok after getting his disorder fixed would probably get promoted to a senior position in Starfleet Security
The Doctors fate following the outlawing of artificial lifeforms would probably be complicated
You should watch properly video and find what happened to Tom and B'elanna, not putting your comment before that. It is saying in video what happened toe ach of them.
@@deanvukovic9069 Not really, while this is a good video it's still fan-made, using generally non-canon sources and the OP's own imagination. My imagination made different paths.
What happened to them? Simple answer: They got old, some unrecognizably so (the 10 and under kids, for example), and some died.
In their personal lives, some got wedded, others divorced, depending on age, some had kids or got grand kids.
Wow what an awesomely deep video! Thanks!
I love where Seven ended up at the end of Picard
What happened to the crew of the Equinox after being demoted to crewmen? I take it they faced a court marshal but still curious what happened to the surviving crew after returning home.
My guess is the Equinox incident was quietly swept under the rug or classified. Starfleet just got through a brutal war with the Dominion and didn't want to hurt morale any further with a public trial.
The surviving crew of Equinox probably got off light. They would be allowed to quietly retire, or be assigned to some unimportant job with no authority. I'm also sure Vice Admiral Janeway made sure they never got promoted again and their Starfleet careers went nowhere.... as a punishment.
But that punishment is certainly better than the alternative of a trial and death penalty.
@@TheBigExclusive pretty much this. It will have hurt those crewmen's chance for advancement in future, but something tells me they were just ready to let bygones be bygones, under the principle of extenuating circumstance. As much as the crew of the equinox were kind of out of their minds, they were doing whatever they had to do to survive, which while it involves violating the prime directive, and basically enslaving another species, again, it's all they could do.
@@TacComControl - Very good point. Starfleet understands the Equinox were stranded alone for years without any supplies or hope. Watching 70% of the Equinox crew die in the first few months probably made the survivors go crazy and do things they wouldn't normally do.
Starfleet doesn't agree with the Equinox crew's actions. But the Starfleet Admirals can't judge or condemn them. It was a matter of life and death. And Starfleet just experienced a war and did many different dark things to beat the Dominion (breaking treaties, cloaking weapons, making biological weapons, viruses, assassinations, lying, murder, using Stars themselves as weapons, and even asking god aliens for help).
Starfleet knew full well what survival costs and what it takes. That's why I think the Equinox incident was buried, or even deleted from the public records. They told the Equinox crew to go home and never talk about the horror they experienced. To forget it and move on.
I guess it would be put down as "All the Captain's fault" and the crew would be excused - like Riker was with Adm. Pressman's rule breaking in "The Pegasus". But the fact that they were reduced in rank by Janeway would probably make it impossible to cover up completely.
There ought to have been at least one episode that dealt with the ex-Equinox "crewmen" before the series ended. Well, chalk it up to 1) lack of continuity; and 2) preoccupation with Seven of Nine and her storylines.
I agree with others that the whole reason Janeway traveled back in time in Endgame, was she considered her timeline the worst timeline, because Harry Kim made Captain. Poor, dumb Harry...
Hehe "poor, dumb harry" made me laugh.
SFDebris is glorious.
Janeway (buried under the ice on that frozen planet) doesn't agree.
Love that you’re a fellow JCer👏🏻❤️👏🏻
Very nice use of in-game scenery to illustrate!
I like the idea that Naomi Wildman was assimilated on a Borg cube that subsequently blows up with her added consciousness. Even they couldn't stand her.
I think it's funny that you Zoomers and Boomers think content creators will actually see your comments.
Not gonna lie, even though I know it's not Canon, i was really hoping there would be a little mention of the Elite Force Hazard Team continuity. Especially as regards Tuvok and and where he and the Team end up. 😉🙃
Out of interest what is that?
Loved see the reactions as a naked 7 ran around shooting everyone in sight. Too fun.
@@OddlySpecificGaming He's referring to a Star Trek Video game by the same name. It's about an 'Elite Force' of Security officers trained for unusual situations. Basically a Starfleet Commando/SEAL/SAS style Team.
Thanks for this, I love it so very much ♥️
Fantastic video thank you
What happened to the run of the mill crewman (so basically the people who never were in Starfleet and/or didn't want to be? Were they compensated for their service? Because frankly I doubt that most of the lower ranking Maquis would want to stay in Starfleet to be bossed around by people who basically bartered away their homes to the Cardassians, who went on to devestate the Alpha Quadrant!)? Sure the officers with their cushy jobs (from Chakotay to B'Elana!) of course kept their commissions, the Maquis' objectives have after all been fulfilled during the Dominion War and they can enjoy a great job, while also being able to tell others "I was right" or "I told you that you were wrong!" constantly!
Since the Federation doesn't really have or need money anymore at this point in the timeline, I don't think they would be compensated, because no one gets compensated (or needs paid from what we understand). I'm sure that, in light of their exemplary service (and at Janeway's request) - they'd be debriefed like everyone, pardoned of any crimes they had committed and sent on to choose whatever path they wanted tho! Maybe even offered a role in Starfleet due to their experience - IF they wanted it. Which would be a big deal after being involved in the Maquis. But as always they would be free to leave Starfleet if their values still didn't align.
The Maquis would not be obligated to stay in Starfleet a single minute after the ship returned. Besides, I somehow doubt Starfleet would allow them to retain their equivalent status in Starfleet itself (whether crewman, and definitely not as an officer). At most, they would receive some experience points IF they applied as a new recruit or academy prospect. Then again, it is highly like Starfleet would not hire any former Maquis to begin with as it would potentially undermine the integrity of what Starfleet stands for. The Maquis were and still were classified as a terrorist organization that advocated for the deaths of Starfleet personnel who stood in their way. That did not change over the course of the Dominion war. Starfleet cannot afford to take that risk. Yes, they would be celebrated after returning, get a bottle of champagne from the Federation President, but after the party is over for night, they would not be treated well, career-wise.
After Chakotay and Janeway came to the resolution that they really couldn’t explore a relationship any further, that relationship door was closed and it seems very natural that Chakotay would look to other people to connect with. Seven of Nine may not have been an obvious go, but I consider it to be very believable to date people and then find romance & compatibility as they get to know each other. To me this pairing actually felt the most believable move the characters made. I realize I’m in the minority however; and it’s hard to be so right ;)
that’s a perfect legitimate position and quite realistic, and I think if it had been anyone but Seven of Nine people wouldn’t have such a hard time with it.
@@MackerelCat I agree with both of you.
Janeway as all male Captains in mission, before and after her, only ever had one lover, the space (and by extension her ship, USS Voyager), which left little room to Chakotay for 7 years. Result; he turned to Seven for lack of anyone else. We don't know if their romance deepened or if it was just a flirt. Almost all fanfictions written afterwards, described their relationship as short-lived with him or Seven reuniting with Janeway. Picard's series finally wrote Seven as lesbian, what ruined the chances of seeing Seven and Chakotay back together, one day! Plus, Prodigy seems to explain that Chaktay, now Captain, is lost somewhere in another part of the Universe... .
Excellent research dude.
Thanks for this info. It's difficult find reliable sources.
I've always thought of "Lady Q" as *_Suzy Q._* It seems like the kind of thing Q would call her.
Also, and this is just my opinion, But the episode "Fury" *(where that picture of Kes comes from)* should hardcore retconned out. That episode destroyed the genuinely hopeful farewell that Kes had and provided absolutely nothing in return. No character development, no continuation of her story the events of that episode are never even mentioned again afterward.
All it did was leave behind a bad taste. PURE DRECK!!!
Only as long as EVERYONE accepts that the salamander episode isn't canon either.
@@nexy12
But that's my favorite episode...
Evolutionarily superior salamanders ftw
@@among-us-99999 I don't know what *that* of all things is the aspect everyone is always attacking about that episode. Evolutionary, it would make perfect sense for a species to end up with an amphibian/crocodilian physique in the kind of swamp biome we see. It's pretty much the niche of apex predator in an environment like that.
Evolution is not about everything getting objectively better all the time - it's about raising as many offspring as efficiently as possible. That's all there is to it really. And while traits like upright walking, manipulator hands, complex abstract thinking and detailed communication offer some general advantages - if those advantages don't weigh out the energy cost or they force the animal into costly habits, it makes more sense to adapt other traits with immediate benefits instead. In a swamp, upright walking is tedious and inefficient, a streamlined body and paddle fins make it much easier to navigate the environment. With abundant food, hands aren't all that useful (compared to an additional set of fins) and without larger social groups, communication barely needs any complexity.
Now, how they define the term "evolution" i that episode, *that* is 100% bullshit. Gotta give them a couple million generations for such adaptions to occur via evolution.
@@among-us-99999 Uck, I thought the writers were drunk when they thought of that episode. To think that humans would eventually end up as Salamanders is hard to stomach.
Alot of point to their being an anti Borg fleet when they decided they had little interested in actual defenses and weapons. That could actually destroy Borg forces.
Quite a few of these are kinda well known as well from the STO as well as the books. Quite a few of the crew seems finds themselves in charge of major important units an powerful vessels. Pull all the crew members that wound up Captain or higher an you got enough leadership to fully staff a good sized fleet. A powerful one too sounds like of their ships an units actually compromise such a said force
My brother also became friends with Jeri Ryan (7) and he worked on other shows with her every now and then. He also told her that I have a huge crush on her and she thought that was great. Hope to meet her one day!
Loving the Star Trek Online footage!