Benelli Super Black Eagle 3 28 Gauge: Detailed Overview and Pattern Samples
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2022
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#28 Gauge
Drake demonstrates and provides a detailed overview of the new for 2022 Benelli Super Black Eagle 3 in 28ga. Comparisons to a 2017 produced example of the 12ga 3-1/2" SBE 3 are made, and differences noted. Drake also takes the time to fire and evaluate three patterns with the Boss Shotshells copper plated bismuth 2-3/4" and 3" magnum offerings through the extended Modified choke at 25 yards.
Shotgun Details:
Benelli SBE 3 - 28ga (3" Chamber - 26" Barrel)
Loads Patterned:
BOSS Shotshells
2-3/4" - 7/8oz - 1,350 FPS - #5 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,325 FPS - #4 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,1325 FPS - #3/5 Copper Plated Bismuth
Loads fired through the shotgun without issue (118 total as of 7/4/22):
Federal - Field and Target 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
Federal - Field Load 2-3/4" - 1oz - 1,300 FPS
Winchester - AA 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
Fiocchi - Field Load 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
2-3/4" - 7/8oz - 1,350 FPS - #5 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,325 FPS - #4 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,1325 FPS - #3/5 Copper Plated Bismuth
Music by Matt Justis (DMJ Sound):
Intro - "THE THRESHOLD" (EP)
Outro - "VICTORY"
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Drake demonstrates and provides a detailed overview of the new for 2022 Benelli Super Black Eagle 3 in 28ga. Comparisons to a 2017 produced example of the 12ga 3-1/2" SBE 3 are made, and differences noted. Drake also takes the time to fire and evaluate three patterns with the Boss Shotshells copper plated bismuth 2-3/4" and 3" magnum offerings through the extended Modified choke at 25 yards.
Shotgun Details:
Benelli SBE 3 - 28ga (3" Chamber - 26" Barrel)
Loads Patterned:
BOSS Shotshells
2-3/4" - 7/8oz - 1,350 FPS - #5 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,325 FPS - #4 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,1325 FPS - #3/5 Copper Plated Bismuth
Loads fired through the shotgun without issue (118 total as of 7/4/22):
Federal - Field and Target 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
Federal - Field Load 2-3/4" - 1oz - 1,300 FPS
Winchester - AA 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
Fiocchi - Field Load 2-3/4" - 3/4oz - 1,300 FPS
2-3/4" - 7/8oz - 1,350 FPS - #5 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,325 FPS - #4 Copper Plated Bismuth
3" - 1-1/16oz - 1,1325 FPS - #3/5 Copper Plated Bismuth
Music by Matt Justis (DMJ Sound):
Intro - "THE THRESHOLD" (EP)
Outro - "VICTORY"
Thanks for watching!
Detailed viewer questions and private conversations, as well as industry contacts regarding product evaluations and reviews may be made at AmericanArmsChannel@gmail.com
You can also find American Arms Channel on these Social Media Platforms:
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Is there a difference between the production of 2017 and the production of 2022
I own a Super Black Eagle 3 production 2017, and I changed the barrel to an Auto 5 barrel
@@benelli_2799 i’m not sure how one changes the barrel out on an SBE3 to that of an Auto-5, but I am curious….
There is no difference other than maybe lower rate of excessively high shooting guns.
1st class review. Love my 28’s and I will add a sbe3 to the collection based on your review.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
The 28 us such an interesting gauge. Bob Bristers books really got me interested in the 28 some years ago & I can't see the fascination disappearing soon.
Great review. Really appreciate these videos. I run a Stoeger m3020 and love it. Thinking of jumping on the Benelli train for my next shotgun. Been soaking up everything on SBE 3s. I shouldered one over the weekend. Dangerous mistake haha. That 28 gauge looks like a shooter and fun one at that. Keep sweating it out for us :) Cheers from Iowa.
That benelli patterns just like the hatfield sas28 does. I like the fiocchi golden pheasant 1 1/16 ounce loads a lot. Problem is, like I commented before, my gun is grossly over gassed and tears up 3” hulls while also jamming the gun up with a hard malfunction. 2 3/4” is gonna run flawlessly if the gun is clean and oiled. Hal Abbott has a 1 5/8 ounce load using 300mp powder I believe. Tss shot. Great video man.
Hey love the vid! I just picked one up today! Any recommendations on an after market choke? Thanks!
My recommendation is that unless it’s an extra full turkey choke, it’s a waste of money. This shotgun patterns so well with the chokes Benelli provided that there is little point to purchasing any additional chokes.
If one must buy one, or you need an extended variant of the Full choke, order a Benelli OEM or a Briley. Both will have an exceptional patterning potential with a large number of loads.
I picked my sbe3 28 ga about 2 weeks ago and absolutely love it! I’m curious to see how the carbon fiber rib holds up and I’m not going to baby this shotgun at all. I’ll be running boss 2 3/4 #7s for teal & #5s for ducks & geese! The only complaint I’ve got is that my carbon fiber rib is a little loose. Hopefully it stays on throughout the season or maybe I can send it to Benelli/rob roberts to have a metal rib installed.
The carbon fiber rib should stay on your shotgun, as mine has. I have not been extremely careful with my example and it has done VERY well since I purchased it. In fact, it lived under the rear truck seat for 3 months with all the dust, dog hair, dirt, and other grime being bumped around with the other junk I keep in my hunting truck. The rib has not loosened any further and has not impeded function at all. My example has taken its share of bumps, falls, smacks, and whacks in the past season with minimal to no wear and no rib cracking.
I will note, however, Matt at @HighPrairieSportsman did experience a failure with his vent-rib on his SBE 3 28ga. He could tell you more about how Benelli handled that for him. I do not think this is a common issue, but it is notable. I also had a viewer send me a picture of his brand new example that had the action spring guide/bolt buffer break in half, which is a one in a million chance I would surmise. All in all, there are going to be a couple lemons out there, but based on my sample size of one, it is a damn good 28ga duck gun.
You most likely will not find an outfit that will be willing or able to install a steel vent rib on the shotgun (although possible by a good smith), as the reason the gun has a carbon fiber rib in the first place is to reduce mass and ensure reliable cycling of the inertia action. Too much weight and standard field loads of 5/8 and 3/4oz at 1200 FPS to 1300 FPS may not remain reliable.
Thanks for watching and the comment!
- Drake
The SBE 3 12 Ga 3” version also has the removable “upper receiver” piece as well , only the 3.5” version has that permanently fixed to the barrel.
Good to know. Thanks for the input/info.
-Drake
Do you know if you can tap the 28 gauge?
@@sethwaterfield7677 you could drill and tap the rearmost portion of the receiver for a short rail or direct mount for a micro red dot, but there is not enough material or stability in the receiver cover to mount an optic to it.
@@AmericanArmsChannel awesome, thanks for the video
I have an SB3 28ga that is a week old. Stock, placing the bead dead center, I could not hit a bottle of water placed 15 yards away using the IC choke. I dropped my point of aim to about 12 inches and I nailed the bottle. I just used the shims to adjust the drop at the heel from 50mm to 70mm and I will be trying it out this weekend. If you are wondering if the 28ga SB3 shoots high stock, stop wondering, it does. The probability of getting one that shoots 50/50 is nonexistent unless you adjust it. This whole European Shooting style is nothing but a gimmick to justify the ridiculously high point of impact. I've owned Verny-Carron, Beretta, Breda, Browning, ATA, etc. and none shoot 100% above the point of aim. I still love the SB3 because it is lightweight, fits well, and is practical. We will see how it patterns this weekend.
Congrats on your new shotgun! I believe you will really enjoy it and the 28 bore cartridge as a whole.
I will rebut that the possibility to own a 50/50 patterning example of the SBE 3 28ga is not zero, as my example (the one in this video) does in fact shoot a 50/50 to 60/40 pattern with most loads; the majority being in the 50/50 pattern split category. Yes, the stock has been cast and dropped for myself, however the mechanical zero of the firearm is directly in line with the line of sight - this is "low" since the design is intended to provide a 60/40-70/30 pattern.
To clarify, as many have the same impression of what it actually does, a shim kit/cast plate system on a shotgun does not adjust the mechanical zero of the POA/POI. What it does do is fit the shotgun to the user so that at mounting of the firearm their dominant eye is placed in line with center line of the bore. When fitted correctly for a "true" sighting plane, the user should not see any of the top of the rib/barrel; only the center of the bead should be present through the center-line of sight and the rest of the gun in the periphery below.
Mechanical zero of a firearm involves actual physical interface and design of the barrel, barrel ring, mating surfaces, angle of rib, etc., in order to set the 'zero'.
If your SBE 3 28 patterned high with out of the box prior to adjustment of drop and cast to your body, and you shot instinctively at your target, it is most likely a fitment issue and not being inline with the bore's axis than it is a mechanical zeroing issue. I would advise that you pattern with a tighter choke (mod or full) using the load(s) you intend to practice and hunt with using a rest, as well as off hand, at multiple ranges to know what your example is doing at each distance regarding pattern and POI. This will tell you both the mechanical zero with those loads as well as if you have any drop/cast adjustments to be made or even mounting techniques that have to be adjusted to make you a more consistent shooter.
To comment on the higher pattern split or "European" style of shooting, it is not BS, it is just another way to skin a cat. Americans for whatever reason have long been obsessed with aiming a shotgun like a rifle (hence the obsession with a 50/50 pattern) and not shooting with a target focused mindset. You can aim a shotgun at a moving target like a rifle, but it has been proven to be an overall inferior wingshooting method in contrast with a target focused method. You 100% can instinctively/target focus shoot with a 50/50 patterning shotgun just as you can with a 100/0 patterning shotgun. Each pattern split has its use. For most hunters and casual sporting clays shooters, a 50/50 to 70/30 pattern split is ideal. For dedicated clay games shooter and upland game hunters who shoot at ranges inside of 30 yards or most commonly fire upon rising or fleeing game, the higher splits offer advantages to their niche uses.
High pattern splits of 80/20 to 100/0 are most often reserved for specialty shotguns, as previously mentioned, with users who seek such pattern splits. I will agree that those higher splits are not advantageous for your common hunter and waterfowl use where descending and crossing shots are the norm. I will argue however that if you are shooting two shotguns that fit you and one patterns 50/50, the other 70/30, with a given load that patterns well and you are shooting with a target focused method, you will experience no perceivable difference in the effectiveness and efficacy of one pattern split over the other at 40 yards and less. See the bird, shoot the bird. So to complain of one split over the other is really a mute point, less a shotgun fires patterns farther than 15% right or left of center.
I have witnessed, hunted, and shot with a number of guys who will blame the bow, arrow, and sun in their eyes and never once consider that it is their skill set that is to blame for a miss or bad hit. Unfortunately, at one time, I was one of those individuals. However, over time and further education/practice I have changed my opinion and methods.
Arguing over pattern splits is a silly thing, unless a specific example of a shotgun shoots far beyond the measure of what is the expectations of the manufacturer AND the end user. Don't buy a Benelli if you don't like 60/40 to 70/30 splits (unless it is an Ethos or Montefeltro, those are designed as a 50/50-60/40 split gun). Your ultimate goal as a wingshooter with a hunting focus should be to hone your skill to be capable of picking up any shotgun and start hitting targets at any unknown distance inside of 50 yards. I own a lot of duck guns with a number of different patterning split characteristics. Most all sit in that 50/50 to 70/30 range, but I have one that will shoot 40/60 and another 90/10. The extremes can mess with you, but those in the middle have little real world difference between them.
Bottom line, don't let that 20% range of pattern splits become a mental block. As my girlfriend and father tend to tell me when I get out of sorts over misses - "Get out of your head, just shoot the bird dead."
Thanks for your comment and your viewership. I hope you enjoy your new shotgun!
- Drake
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I agree with you on most of your points. Benelli unlike other shotguns, seems to shoot excessively high stock. I do not aim my shotgun, I hunt with both eyes open and look at the target. That's how I was taught. My comment about European shotguns is to point out that it's not a European standard to design a gun that shoots 100% above POA out of the box. Notice that it seems Benelli added the D shim after all the complaints unless I am mistaken. The manual for the SBE3 online lists a C drop shim for 65mm drop. The manual I got with my gun goes to D on drop shims which is 70mm. I don't know if the standard sbe3 in 12 and 20 are now coming with a D shim.
@@julesc5924 we are in agreeance then upon shooting method and practice. Sorry for the long diatribe of information regarding that, but I find it has helped many with their wingshooting or in understanding the “why” behind pattern splits, etc.
The original 2017 production SBE 3 12ga in supermags did ship with a D shim included. I cannot attest to any of the others in between, but they should have come with one as well; the manual missing a reference to it was an oversight. Do note that the manual in 2017 displayed a slug barrel version that would not release until 2019 or so, so there being inaccuracies or omissions in the booklet cannot be taken as proof one way or the other.
Benelli did however make a modification in eliminating the middle bead and replacing the fromt bead with a larger one on most of the SBE 3 production sometime around 2020 it seems, most likely in an attempt to prevent users from stacking beads to shoot high unintentional and force the bird floating above the bead into a better perspective from the shooter’s eye. This change coincided with the release of the 3” 12ga and 20ga models. The high patterning issue with the SBE 3 however is a production flaw that has never been addressed properly and entirely relates to the regulation of the vent rib and the interface of the barrel ring and other mating surfaces as the barrel assembly secured to the rest of the firearm.
I do not believe Benelli engineers designed the SBE 3 to shoot 100/0 or anywhere close to that. They prefer a high angle rib that places the regulation at 60/50-70/30, but there is an issue with the SBE 3 production that has cause a very high number of them to pattern high. To excuse it away as a European method is a weak argument and has no validity. European regulation of ribs “traditionally” has referred to a 60/40-70/30 pattern split, not 80/20-100/0 as would be practicable in a specialty trap or skeet gun.
Again, the high patterning issue is not a shimming problem per-say as it is a production issue with the design. It is temperamental in its tuning, moreso than prior super 90 models, and suffers a higher rate of pattern variance out of the box than it should. I very much enjoy my two examples of the design, and if it were not for the point of impact issues the model has suffered it would be nearly perfect. Perhaps someday when the 4th generation of Super-90 pattern Benelli’s is released they will have eliminated the issue.
I finally swapped my rib with an ethos one on my 28ga and patterned it. A D shim+flat ethos rib the point of impact is 90/10. I swapped the rib back to the standard one that comes with it and I will be trying it tomorrow. I still love the gun, it handles so well that I do not want to shoot any other gun.
@sam rollins you should confirm a few things before you give up on it:
1) do you have the correct shim and cast plate installed to fit the firearm to you? Also, are you seeing straight down the rib when mounting the shotgun with full sight of the bead, or is the bead “buried”?
2) have you patterned the shotgun with multiple loads to confirm patterns and POA/POI consistency? Is there a variance?
3) how are you patterning? Are you shooting off a rest like a rifle or are you raising to your shoulder and instinctively shooting the pattern board? Have you tried both methods? Is your pattern POA/POI a true mechanical zero issue with the loads you are using, or is it due to human error/variables?
4) what size pattern board are you using? Are you using a small rifle target sized target, or actually patterning on a pattern board that will give you the complete data needed to make a determination on the POA/POI.
If you can self-evaluate these items it may help you determine what issue you actually are having. Given that I have not seen many if any accounts of Benelli’s shooting low, my mind goes to thoroughly evaluating the methods and observations made in determining there is a problem. I am not saying it is impossible nor that your example is an exception, just that due to the low occurrence of that specific issue it is worth investigating completely before giving up on the shotgun.
Для ходовой охоты, идеальный вариант.
Is the price of the Benelli justified compared to your Mossberg SA-28? Have you tried to shoot 3/4 ounce target loads through it? I know on the 28 ga. SuperSport Benelli recommends a minimum 7/8 ounce loads. Thanks, always enjoy your videos.
Yes, I believe the price is justified if you are wanting a high quality synthetic stocked general purpose 28 bore in your arsenal. The Mossberg SA-28 and it's siblings of other brandings are relatively good guns for the price in the limited market of 28ga autos, but they do leave a lot to be desired. QA/QC issues, rough machining on some internals, and chokes that might as well be tossed in the trash most times are all lackluster in comparison to the A400 and SBE 3/Ethos options by Benelli and Beretta. That said, they do work and they do pattern well with aftermarket chokes. I have enjoyed my SA-28 and found it to be the perfect shotgun for those wanting to dip their toes into the 28 bore for the first time and not eat up a month's plus worth of expendable income or savings at purchase. the feature sets are competitive with the higher priced options, but it is still a $600 Turkish made gas operated shotgun at the end of the day.
The SBE 3 comes in at about a pound lighter than the SA-28 (and similar) as well as giving less felt recoil due to a much less violent action than the SA-28. The action of the SBE 3 is much smoother and less picky than the SA-28 about hull and load type. Hot loads in the SA-28 tend to have a higher potential for malfunctions and rim profile means a lot to that model. The SBE 3 on the other hand has eaten everything I have fed it with the exception of some malfunctions caused by installing the Briley enhanced shell stop latch and bolt release paddle, which needed proper fitting to the gun to reliably function with all loads. Stock out of the box though, I ran through about 400 rounds of numerous types with no issue, and currently sit at 550+ rounds with a glass slick action and nothing to complain about.
Regarding standard 3/4oz loads, yes, I have. In fact, 3/4oz loads are pretty much all I have fired through the SBE 3 outside of pattern testing and 3 rounds of different loads to confirm function. The shotgun is well suited to cycling with the standard load and its light weight helps ensure that. I have fired and had it cycle exceptionally well not fully mounted to the shoulder, directly overhead, from the hip, and one hand. When I say that with the gun stock or with a properly fitted aftermarket shell stop latch works 100% reliably, I mean it.
working on a goose load for the 28ga .33 oz tss #8 under .66oz of #3 bismuth 164 pellets total in a 2.75 hull same count as a 2.75" boss #5
Should be a crusher man!
What is the goal of mixing the bismuth and TSS shot materials? Why not go to a full 1oz to 1-1/8oz of TSS? Just curious. Be sure to share your results of your load development. I'd be very interested to see it.
- Drake
@@AmericanArmsChannel duplexing loads with different materials is supposed to fill in a pattern but flight times vary a lot on two diff density pellets fired at the same time. Was watching joel stricklands shot string theory videos and the flight time was like 9-11ft different at 40yds of steel to bismuth loads.
@@AmericanArmsChannel search duplex tss and bismuth on shotgun world you can see my test patterns . main goal was to have a loads under $2 around also to be =in power to #1 steel but I have the pellet count of a steel #5 if you had a load of #1steel it would take 1 5/8 oz. now think that's coming out of a 28ga I've been smashing ducks and geese with the 28 this year farthest goose kill was a large goose at 60 years folded stone dead.
I’m wondering how this gun compares to the Ethos Cordoba BE.S.T. Aside from the ported barrel and the BE.S.T. coating is there really a difference to warrant the $500 price gap or a difference at all for that matter? If someone were to get the barrel and receiver cerakoted on the SBE3 then the BE.S.T. coating wouldn’t even matter at that point. I’m just wondering is there a difference between the two.
While extremely similar, the two shotguns are not identical. The ethos is more costly to produce and has features not present on the SBE 3, but the BEST Cordoba model is really pretty close with the Comfortech 3 synthetic stock and the same action components. Really your big difference is in the forends and mag tubes/barrel rings.
If you are wanting a 28ga benelli and price is a factor, $1.6k for the SBE 3 + $300 refinish work vs $2.2k for the Cordoba BEST still makes more sense. Both great guns. Little point to porting barrels on a 28ga, in my opinion.
So, yes, there is little to no substantial difference to justify the increased cost of the cordoba over the SBE 3 when you can accomplish the same things with them both and still have $600 to spend on refinish, accessories, and enhanced controls before you hit the price of the stock Ethos Cordoba BEST
@@AmericanArmsChannel okay thanks man. When I pull the trigger on a new gun I’m gonna go with the SBE3 and trick it out and make it an even better gun than the Ethos Cordoba with some change left over perhaps.
I just picked up the 20 to go with my 12. Maybe I need to get a 28 to complete the set.
And perhaps a SBE II and an SBE to complete the set… haha
@@AmericanArmsChannel man that’s a great idea. I have one friend that has a 2 and another that has an HK marked original Super Black Eagle. I should of bought a 2 last summer. I was at a store that had a 2 for a great deal that was new. I believe they said that they have not had it for long. I don’t know if it was a special run for a distributor or if it was just old stock that a distributor had. Best I remember it was close to $1000.
Hey Drake, whoo hoo talking 28s. Denny and I heat those 28s up out at the dairy. Last time out we had large flocks of collard doves coming in. I was informed when I arrived out west here that "I wasn't a gentleman if I don't have a 28". Now I shoot a 28 more than any of my other shotguns. I'll let Denny know that you are continuing the tradition of a gentleman shooter. Just wondering if that 3in shell will start stringing out with that load. The 3/4 oz load is very efficient because of the short shot string. Take care. Just a note. #3 lead shot in a 28 will give ninety percent or more at 40yds with a full choke. That is a load that Denny loads for long range 28 shooting.
Haha, thanks for sharing, Doug. I'm glad you're doing your part to keep those collared doves in check. You two old gents just keep those barrels hot in the PNW! God bless.
Hey man nice video. I want a SBE3 28 gauge badly but I just got rid of a SBE3 20 gauge that shot ridiculously high and now I’m a little scared to buy another SBE3. I know in the video this gun shot at point of aim, but before I bought the SBE3 20 gauge all the reviews I saw said that it didn’t shoot high, and then what do you know it shoots a foot and a half high.
I’m sorry you had that issue, that’s disappointing and frustrating.
All I can report on is my sample size of one. The 28 bore sbe3 being somewhat more akin to the Ethos in design, i would suspect they have lower probability of patterning high, but there is always that chance with any model. The nice thing with the SBE 3 28 is that it’s compatible with the same flat carbon finer vent ribs of the ethos, so you can correct the poi issue with lowering the rib profile.
@@AmericanArmsChannel okay thanks. How is the 28 gauge with a full choke at 35 - 40 yards with the Boss 5s?
@@nathanielchoate69 I have not had an opportunity to pattern the full choke or past 25 yards with the SBE 3 28 gauge. I will be posting those results as soon as I have an opportunity to, but I am very confident that it will be more than efficient for big ducks at 40 and in when equipped with the improved modified or full choke and more than capable at 35 and in with a modified. I also have the 3 inch number 3 1 ounce load from Boss to pattern as well. Should be a good 40 yard and in goose getter for the 28 gauge. So, when I get to pattern testing again, I will have four different loads at least to demonstrate and show samples of. You will have to pattern your own gun of course, but I would be very confident that 40 yards in in equiped with the improve modified full or modified stock chokes that come with the gun you’ll be more than capable of taking waterfall as long as you’re shooting well that day.
@@AmericanArmsChannel alright thanks for the reply man
Just wondering if you reload for 28 gauge and if you ran any reloads in this gun? I reload 28 gauge for skeet and use an over/under Browning 725. Just wondering how the sbe3 28 gauge would cycle reloads as that would be a sweet little gun for doves.
I do not (yet) reload for 28ga, outside of tinkering with some true handloads of .530" round ball and #4 buck for fun. The ability of the SBE 3 28 to cycle your hand loads and reloads will entirely depend on the power and quality of the loads. So long as the loads are in spec as to their dimensions, and you meet a minimum of 3/4oz at 1,200 FPS or equivalent power, the gun should cycle reliably.
Reliability with factory 3/4oz loads and higher with a box rating of 1,300 FPS has been exceptional. The only malfunctions I have had to date were due to aftermarket modification that I had not fitted to the shotgun. once fitted, reliability resumed 100% with all of the load types I have used.
Thanks for the reply, I think I'm going to pick one up as I can reload a lot cheaper than only shooting new factory loads.
Very good. Good luck on the hunt for your new SBE 3 28!
I’ve heard of several people say that the newer Benelli models with the carbon fiber ribs, the ribs wobble or become loose because there can’t be a perfect carbon to steel weld because of barrel heating. Have you experienced any looseness of the rib?
The rib will move slightly out of the box, and this is simply the nature of machining the rib and barrel rib studs to interface and allow interchangeability/mass production and not require hand fitting. There is no functional detriment to the rib being loose when it comes to carbon fiber equipped models. The Ethos has utilized it for years and never suffered from wandering patterns or other issues. In the smaller bored options like the 28ga it plays a more functional role in reducing overall weight and ensuring reliability with the light payloads in an inertia operated shotgun.
Regarding the rib increasing in loose fit, i can not say my example has suffered any issues in 500+/- rounds.
@@AmericanArmsChannel alright thanks man
Any idea when they will actually release this for sale?
It has been for sale since the end of Q1/beginning of Q2 this year.
Benelli just Imported and distributed a second Batch in late June/early July for Q3 and they all sold out very quickly. You’ll have to keep an eye out online and grab any model that becomes available if you want one. It will probably be a year or more before these 28ga SBE 3 variants sit on shelves for any amount of time.
what's the fuzz you used on the intro bass line?
All music I have used in the past few years is written, performed, and recorded by a good friend of mine. None of it is published to date and I am the only one who uses it. Titles are always in the video description. If you have interest in full releases of his music, I will pass that along to him. I’m sure he’ll be flattered.
Music by Matt Justis (DMJ Sound):
Intro - "THE THRESHOLD" (EP)
Outro - "VICTORY"
@@AmericanArmsChannelI record a bunch of different things/ produce and write, and I really like that tone, whatever it is... :) of course I always recommend people release their music, I mean, why not?
I'm going to assume before watching that this shows Boss ammo in a good light. Watched another UA-camr who was forced to take his videos down because Boss didn't do so well in their 28 gauge.
Boss has always worked well for me. I have had some issues in early generation/production loads. But, overall, I am a fan and they have continually improved the product and worked well for me. Their customer service was great.
That said, I am not sponsored and spend all my own money on the products I use and review. If they are supplied by a manufacturer I note that. It would not stop me from reporting on problems, though.
What channel had this issue? Unless they were defaming the company with untrue claims, I would doubt that Boss would “force” someone to take a video down.
@@AmericanArmsChannel Blue Collar Outdoors, August 2021.
@@chadd587 ah, yes. Well, can’t speak to the truth of that. But I can tell you what, I’m not a fan of that channel. They don’t really produce good content, in my opinion, and they have said some pretty blatantly wrong things about shotshells and shotguns in the past. I don’t believe they did so maliciously, just out of ignorance and arrogance. Can’t say I’m surprised, but it is what it is. That’s all I know though.
I knew they weren’t all that well educated when they were agreeing with someone who claimed they were an outfitter that was having choke tunes rip out of guns because of Boss loads. Only two ways that happens; squibs stuck in the choke, or chokes backed out and the payload opening into the choke recess/threading and creating a partial bore obstruction(can be cause by a short choke tube too, one that does not run all the way to the bottom of the threads). I argued them with this by calling BS and their response was to say I can’t comment on others experiences. Sorry, but there are only certain ways things happen, and bismuth shot and standard wads is not how you blow a choke out of a gun.
Bottom line, take everything you read or watch on the internet with a grain of salt (including my own content). Never take information as true from those that pose to be experts. I am by no means an expert in any of my passions, but I am always learning and sharing.
Lighter duck gun?? Brother if you load that 28 bore with 2 3/4” 1oz TSS #9s, that thing will kill any bird we have on this continent out to 60+ yards.
Can the gun be set to neutral cast or is Benelli still shorting the customer?
There is not a neutral cast stock plate available, to the best of my knowledge. I do not see it as a shorting of the customer, as they give you enough cast and drop plates as well as shims with the gun to accommodate your body and arm length.
If you just had to have a neutral cast, don’t use a shim and drill a hole through the dead center of one cast plate and call it good.
@@AmericanArmsChannel some families can't afford but one gun. Some are righties and some lefties, for us Benelli is shorting the customer by shortening the guns usefulness.
@@olegig5166 I would consider purchasing a lower cost option then like a Remington product that will both save your family funds as well as provide a neutral cast for the left and right handed shooters.
I am right handed and my father is left handed, so I do recognize the struggle when sharing one firearm. It has always challenged us with sighting in a scoped rifle do to our natural cants of holding the rifle opposing each other. Haha.
@@AmericanArmsChannel good advice on the lower cost option. Before I purchased a M2 I had no idea the great Benelli would short change their customers. I'm trying to make mention of the issue in case some shopper is viewing while thinking about a shotgun purchase. It's kind of amazed me the no. of Benelli shooters who don't even know what cast is. I'm assuming Benellis come set up for the right hand and most guys just say "wow, I can hit better than with my old gun."
It's great for them until they have to deal with a frustrated left handed son.
@@olegig5166I don’t think they are shorting anybody. You just bought and expected their product to do something it doesn’t do. I wouldn’t say that’s the producers fault unless they advertised that it does the thing you say it doesn’t do.
Did you compare the SBE3 to the Ethos?
No, i don’t believe I really did. For all intents and purposes, though, the SBE 3 family is an outgrowth of the Ethos design. The stylings, operations, and even some components are directly pulled from the Ethos to the SBE 3. One is waterfowl hunting focused, and the other is upland hunting and sporting clays focused. Extremely similar shotguns, though.
@@AmericanArmsChannel ok good to know. I did not realize that. Thanks for the info!
At first, I thought it was gonna be a joke, but it turned out to be very good. Thank you. I have a 20 gauge I did not go for a 28 gauge reason being money. I do not reload and I didn’t wanna play the chase down the 28 gauge ammo game, and of course the price. So I think I’m gonna stick with my 20 gauge ethos super sport. But once again, thank you for your video. I enjoyed it.
What have you heard about the 20 gauge sbe3s and then shooting high?
Not a lot. Some reports of the same issue the original release had when the 20ga was released. Otherwise I don’t see any greater complaints. Most owners seem to be enjoying the 20ga variant.
I bought one is 20 in October have cycled about 600 rounds thru it with trap and sporting clays. Absolutely love it, it does not shoot high like the 12s when they first came out. I haven’t used a 12 GA since. Apparently they fixed that after 21. Can’t say enough good things about it.
Point of impact can be changed with shims on the stock lol not the rib and with raising cheek piece the gun will shoot higher lmao
Um, what? I’m not quite understanding the second half of what you are saying...
Drop and cast adjustments via modular shim and plates on/in the stock adjust the shotgun to fit the shooter, placing the line of sight flat down the bead. Mechanical zero is the relation of the plane of the rib or bead to the axis of the bore. They have to intersect at a point down range. If the angle is high, they will intersect sooner and the Point of impact will raise. If the angle of the sighting plane is shallow, the point of intersection will be further away, lowering the point of impact.
So yes, if you raise, lower, or cast your line of sight to anything else other than flat down the rib, you will be throwing the shot charge in relation to that offset.
What I am commenting on in the video is that there is no obvious way to adjust the mechanical zero of the shotgun other than to lower the plane of the rib with a flatter profile one from the Ethos series.
Id LOVE to have one except they simply do not exist anywhere in america. About 30dealers ive called all say theyre still waiting on shipments frim well over a year ago. I have the cash burning a hole in my pocket to buy one......
I had to order mine through EuroOptic and ship it to my local FFL at the end of June when the second batch of them became available. I would look at EuroOptic, Dunns Sporting Goods, Reeds Sporting Goods, etc. and add it to the wish list so you get an email when they come in stock.
Local gun stores are fighting for the inventory that is being sold from the distributor and large retailer websites, so it is unlikely they will get one in hand at any point soon. The next batch of Benelli imports will most likely this fall so I would keep your eyes peeled; the 28ga models have become fairly popular now.
@@AmericanArmsChannel yep. Im on more watch lists at the moment than a damn domestic terrorist waiting for one to pop up.lol
Bought one last at Reeds
Last week
@@russellabernathy3241 in the meantime i did happen to buy an ethos cordoba 28ga. Its a nice gun but for the price i paid for it it sure has a lot of cycling issues. With 4different ammunition types. More than all of my other guns combined ever have failed. Full detail stripping and cleaning do not seem to help. Its far worse in the cold. Looking at getting something different now.
For the price you pay it should be a wooden box, like the old days! Much classier!
Haha, that would be pretty dang nice! I think that should be what their 828U offerings should come in. The plastic is more practical for hunters, but a leather wrapped, felt interior wooden carry case like once was offered for the Browning Auto-5's would be fantastic.
Thanks for watching.
- Drake
Hope it works better than the 12 ga we all call this click😊
I runs likes a top. Never had an issue with reliability or durability with the 12ga SBE 3 either.
I hope the translation in Arabic, thank you
Blasphemy. Not a 10 gauge video
Unsubbed.😆
Actually I’m rebuilding a 1187 in 20ga and plan on running it. Nice review.
Oh the heresy to not proclaim the king, the Mighty 10! Haha.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Sounds like a great project; have fun!
0:34 lol the 28 is hardly even budging your shoulder, hahahaa soft recoil.. cool,
I have stopped buying benellis due to them not shooting to point of aim. Hunt deer , turkeys , rabbits and squirrels and don’t want to have to aim low on everything I shoot.
This 28ga SBE 3 model seems to shoot behind the bead (50/50). The Montefeltro, Ethos, and Legacy all have flat ribs and are regulated to shoot behind the bead as well, so for those looking for a Benelli and concerned with them “shooting high” those models will suit them best.
It won’t change your mind, but aiming a shotgun, with the exception of the use of slugs/ball, is counterproductive to good wingshooting. The idea of a 60/40-70/30 patterning gun is to allow less blocking of the target by the barrel and greater focus on the target. Aiming with a shotgun leads to stopped leads and misses/poor hits, so the idea of the higher patterning guns is to always place your line of sight down the barrel slightly higher so you can focus on the target. Putting “I have to aim dead on… low… slightly left” into your head for every shot will lead to poorer performance than simply seeing the target, mounting the gun, and pulling through while firing.
I have “fixed” several shooters’ struggles with “the gun shoots…[insert POA vs POI difference here]” by simply checking fit, form, and technique and having them apply an empty mind to their shooting. Mind you, I have seen this issue with a number of different brands and models with different owners. 9 times out of 10 it seems to be the indian and not the bow, but fit and familiarity or comfort with a specific model or stocking style can make a big difference.
If you still own a high shooting Benelli, and it does shoot in spec (60/40 to 70/30) I would encourage you to check fit, mounting, and empty your mind of thinking about where it hits. Just see the target and kill it. Your brain knows what to do, so try not to slow it down with overthinking of POI, lead, distance, etc, regardless of the brand and model in hand. But of course if a specific styling/design performs the best for you and you shoot it the best, that is what you should carry to the field.
Thanks for watching and your comment!
- Drake
@@AmericanArmsChannel you are definitely right when you said it won’t change my mind.
I aim a shotgun just like I aim a rifle. I am not changing that. With a gun that shoots where it is supposed to I can hang with the best shots out there. The shim and aim low is a iltalian and British bs unless you are shooting pheasants and drinking hot tea. Like I said I shoot turkeys , deer, squirrels and rabbits. None are flying when I shoot them.
@@lukedog7028 stationary targets are much different from fast movers. Aiming as one would with a rifle works for them.
Have you taken a snap shot though where you saw your quarry and fired when the gun hit your face? Then you have done exactly what I described.
It’s not some european BS for shooting on the wing or at moving small game, or a running deer, regardless of where a shotgun centers its pattern relative to its point of aim. It is a universal method for using a scattergun. The point is that a target focused mindset is provable to be a more effective and efficient method of scoring good strikes on your target.
While I do not expect you to change based off of what I say, I do not believe you are considering I am saying, and that’s your choice, but it does not disregard the validity of what I say. Claiming your own prowess with a given method is fine and dandy, but I would take you at the challenge that the aiming method will provide higher rates of hits than what has been known to be a more effective method in competition and the field for quite honestly over a century.
I know you can be successful aiming, as that is how I was taught to use a shotgun as a kid. Yet since moving to a target focused method, I have been significantly better shot in the field, with all forms of firearms.
So again, I politely and enthusiastically would encourage and challenge you to give it a go sometime to see if with your best handling/fitting shotgun it gives you more strikes than misses than before. You may be surprised or confirm your own thoughts.
All the best and happy hunting/shooting!
@@AmericanArmsChannel I have tried but It doesn’t work for me. I don’t disagree that it works for some people. All I need is proper length stock and gun that shoots true to poa. To always aim low on deer, turkeys etc doesn’t make good sense.
Enjoy your channel and your well written responses.
You know funny you say that I had a benelli ethos 12 and could not hit with it to save my life!!!! I now own the Ethos cordoba 28 gauge. I’m hoping I can get use to it!!!
What an abomination! There is absolutely NO need for 3" anything. You would know this if you had an elemental understanding of basic physics. A good shot will kill with high efficiency because he's a good shot and not because he needs 3" shells which are indisputably incredibly inefficient. Then again, a good shot typically already knows this and wouldn't be duped into buying one of these. This gun reminds me of those fishing lures that look great to people but don't catch squat. 😂 Furthermore, I really don't appreciate the statement a gun like this makes regarding the American market....being one myself. 😡 I DO appreciate that this gentleman did in fact convey just how INEFFICIENT that 3" round is with words like, "clumping, holes, a little more recoil, similar to a 1 1/4 ounce 12 gauge!?!?!,"! WTH?!? Here it is in a nut-shell, "Those that buy this anomaly will get what they deserve." Let's not forget that once the few that are "taken" to buy one, will not get back what they invested because by then, the proverbial cat will be out of the bag. It could appreciate in value perhaps 30+ years from now when someone might look at the relic and say, "That is hilarious...I have to have it!" At that point, you could take the profit and buy yourself a new pair of rubber boots! Oh...and you might as well throw in the shells too. 😁 Here is a fact: If you shoot 3" anything (or hot 2 3/4") while upland hunting, you boldly/indisputably convey your shot-gunning ineptitude. It is what it is.
It is obvious that you are quite opinionated on the topic, and I can see it will do me no good to argue with you as to the actual validity of your statements, but I will tell you that the gun is not a shiny fishing lure and there is so much to consider for each individual’s hunting needs when evaluating shotshell specifications. Just because you have a specific chamber length does not mean you have to use it, but it is an option. Every shotshell bore and chamber length have a designed niche and purpose, and many times running shotshells with equal parameters as those of the black powder era is a disservice to yourself and the game you chase. To broadly paint anyone who selects magnum loads for their hunting purposes as an inept wing shooter and inefficient hunter due solely to their equipment choice at a surface level without knowing/considering their reasoning or needs is disqualifying of holding a valid opinion.
Benelli has sold every single example of the 28ga SBE 3 they have imported twice now and they will continue to do so until the market is satiated. The shotgun and other 3” 28’s will hardly become relics in the decades to come. Most of the 28ga loads sold have been and will continue to be 2-3/4” 3/4oz to 1oz loads, and that will not change either, but the 3” loads are there for those who will need or want them.
You are correct though, in that those that purchase the SBE 3/Ethos/Cordoba in 28ga and similar or equivalent shotguns will get what they deserve; a reliable, durable, high quality shotgun that will provide them decades of service.
Thanks for watching.
-Drake
So.....explain how throwing more pellets, at the same speeds, is a bad idea. Math doesnt lie. More pellets traveling the same speed should correlate to more chances to bring down game. That statement is dumber than saying a .410 is a better goose gun than a 10ga3".....
@@eduffy4937 the general idea for those that have the opinions like the gentleman above, in my evaluation, is that that they feel a lighter shot load has a shorter shot string and is more efficient than a magnum load. (And in this case see anyone who does not think like they do as a buffoon deserving of ridicule and shame for their personal preferences in shotshell loadings). However, the greater the range, the greater the need for higher pattern density (higher pellet count) and thus the larger the payload.
The truth of the matter is though we have for a very long time had little to no scientifically quantifiable evidence to confirm any shot string theories. Surviving Duck Season has been working on this and has posted the first part of their shot string series this week. It is exciting and interesting to see so many loads perform differently under the scrutiny of a 180k FPS camera and really shake up our theories and assumptions. I myself am thinking hard about my own theories on shot string and how they will hold up to reality now that the technology exists to properly evaluate shot string.
Anecdotally, it has been my experience that the larger the payload per pellet size the better it is for patter density and effect on birds at range, up to a point for each bore size. Once the tipping point for payload is reached, there is a diminishing return for wing shooting. 12ga typically tops out at about 1-5/8oz or 1-3/4oz payload for lead/bismuth on effectiveness for wing shooting before it stops being any more effective than the lighter charges and the additional cost and recoil mean nothing for additional effectiveness on game. Ideally though, lead/bismuth in a 12ga operate best at charges of 1-1/8oz to 1-1/2oz; the range of “useful” charges is similar for any given bore size; 10ga seems to do best at 1-3/4oz to 2-1/4oz, 28ga at 3/4oz to 1oz, 16ga at 7/8oz to 1-1/4oz, 20ga at 7/8oz to 1-1/8oz. That said, patterning profiles of individual gun/choke/load combinations can fly in the face of what “ideal” payload ranges are or land right in the middle of them. I have utilized heavy loads for bore that did terrible and great, as well as the same for light loads. It really can be so varied that there will almost always be some form of an exception to the “rules”.
Another thing to note that those who hate the idea of utilizing a magnum payload or a 3” hull is that, typically, a payload and powder charge are what dictate hull length most times. However, sometimes velocity or pressure specifications dictate a longer hull be used. You can shove 1oz of lead into a 28ga 2-3/4” hull, but you can’t stay within industry standardized pressures and achieve velocities averaging above 1,250 FPS, typically. Now, if you take the same payload and place more powder under it in a taller hull spec’d out to higher pressures, now you can achieve your desired performance parameters.
All in all, there are so many factors to consider, to do or say anything to the effect that there is only one good way to skin the cat that is shotshell technology is ignorant and arrogant.
@@AmericanArmsChannel absolutely correct my friend.a lot of people can talk all they want, call names, belittle people etc, but truth be told, every make and model of shotgun, and specific firearms within any given batch perform vastly different from each other in terms of shot string. Rearward and forward forcing cones, their angles, backboring, then to choke constriction, and length of constriction all play a vital part in patterning. People can "theorize" all they want but at the end of the day, professionals who work on guns a lot will have physical proof of what happens on the shots way down range. Now couple that with how a person huntsand theres more variables. If you swimg through your target left to right or vice versa, a longer shot shtring can be highly advantageous. If say pheasant hunting with a dog, flushing birds at your feet, where your birds are flying straight away from you, the shortest splatter of a shot string is more ideal. For somebody to try to light somebody up for a video theyve done, and try to assume the moral high ground as "the authority on shotshells" makes him look like a baffoon. Keep doimg what youre doimg man. You make great informative videos and offer thinking points to take away from the videos. Ignore the haters and keep being successful. We appreciate all you do. Its free so bitching accomplishes nothing on his(their) part...
Bruh.