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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- Talking about the Crown Event that had @MrBeast @Voyboy @Mizkif Yassuo @Emiru vs @TYLER1LOL @Sapnap @Ninja @ludwig and myself, fun stories and how lcs DENIED @BjergsenLoL...
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0:00 Intro
4:36 Game One
11:24 Bjergsen being denied
15:11 Back to game One
26:54 Game Two
34:49 Game Three - Ігри
What's crazy is, this same core philosophy about undervaluing potential content partners was cited in Dunkey's "done with league" video like 6 years ago, and its still the same shit. Idk how a company like Riot gets so big, and still has not figured out basic marketing. They don't make an effort to work with popular content creators, they make costreaming way more difficult and restrictive than it needs to be, and they somehow can't capitalize on a guy like Mr Beast being a vocal supporter of their game. It's like people want so badly to advertise their game, and Riot's like "nah fuck off actually."
Its not about the views, exposure etc.
Its about rules. A company that breaks its own rules and become a 'meta slave' is never going anywhere. Riot know this. See where Riot is now compared to where it was when Dunkey made that video.
Dunkey is still exactly where he was years ago and even his viewership is stagnant while Riot keeps getting better.
@@ManHeIsAwesome Riot got bigger because it has hundreds of employees, multi billion dollars. and 0 competition in the genre in e sports for over half the games lifespan. Aside from dota 2, which genuinely hits a very different market. It has nothing to do being a meta slave or any of that shit. Because in reality, riot did that with seraphine and garnered shit loads of attention. New champions are all filling the same niche of being bright, bubbly, and disney. Whilst being inclusive to all people to make them feel attached to the characters. During a time when people are dying to have their voice heard. They are directly following a political meta and it's doing them very well. I don't know what world you are living in.
Riot's detachment from their player base and their general marketing is absolutely garbage. The only reason they can do most of what they do without going under is because they are already established and powerful within the scene.
@@ManHeIsAwesome I won’t lie, kind of a retarded take
I think the answer as to why this is can be seen in a valorant e-sports controversy. Sean Gaeres was an ex CS:GO pro turned valorant streamer / analyst. He is super fucking intelligent and was super ahead of his time at the beginning of the game. He eventually became an analyst for Riot for VCT events. The problem was that he was starting to get much to big on a personal brand level, and this was just not something Riot could handle. They like employees and those who rep their brand to be willing to do their bidding. They pushed Sean Gares out of casting, not letting him cast a masters event despite him offering to do it completely for free. This is a really obvious pattern from riot. They don't like when they can't 100% control the narrative and so they are cautious of who they let co-stream, who they let work for them, and who they let represent them. (another example DoA and Monte). really great article on the topic. www.dexerto.com/esports/richard-lewis-sean-welcome-to-riots-world-1786864/
Yeah, I was definitely thinking about Dunkey while listening to DL here.
Mizkif said on stream that Double was invited to everything and anything OTK does in the future, I hope he takes them up on that. Mizkif mentioned that DL was worried about whether his chat would enjoy it, they might be apprehensive at first, but this is how you grow your viewer base and bring them back to your favorite game
yeah u seem to be an expert at knowing how to grow viewership and managing a professional twitch/youtube career.
@@krithiksingh they seem actually factual tbh
DL has a fine viewerbase. He averages around 8-10k every stream
@@TheOneDerp diversifying your viewership never hurts i think.
@@adhd200 that’s why i said he seems like an expert, what’s the point of your comment
"Riot is so lucky and they dont see it"
I remember feeling this way about Dunkey. The guy was carrying the LOL content scene for a long time. I started playing BECAUSE of Dunkey
Sp4zie and CG, too! And even the untiltable Spazie burned out on League, partly because they refused to invest in toxicity-tracking AI for a decade.
@@ChessHistorian Preach!
Dunkey, Darkmane and Rav with those funny ass videos
Dunkeys league videos were so God damn funny. His content is still good but I do miss his league content.
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It's not even remotely comparable. League in 2015 was on an absolute roll in terms of player numbers and dunkey quit because he got banned and Riot wouldn't give him special treatment. Considering NA is already one of the smallest regions I doubt riot even noticed any drop in new players when he quit.
First time watching Doublelift here, and it's amazing that he allows himself to learn sooo much from his experiences. I guess that's how he became one of the best.
100% agree
So fun fact, I work with a bunch of people behind amateur and scouting grounds event livestream production and from their info the event hired no dedicated observers. They were using directed cam the entire time.
Someone was able to pass the word over and get them to zoom out further in game 2 and 3 but otherwise nothing was done. We were all very upset they fucked the production of one of the most mainstream 3rd party tournaments for league in years. It would have been so good for reaching out to a broader audience.
Leena is like DL's lawyer and he's just like "nah gotta give that content." Thank you
And then he gets banned from co-streaming
Leena so goated, what a call
Professional athletes play in charity golf Tournaments all the time. Bergson not being able to play makes no sense
analogy also doesn't work because there still playing the same game so its not like nba player leaving for the nfl. Athletes play in charity matches all the time like you mention. There is multiple levels on why that analogy riot used doesn't work.
@@uglyhippos The biggest reason athletes don't usually do other events or things like that is because of the possibility of getting hurt and ruining the money their team and the league put into them. But that's just not a thing in league. so the only reason riot wouldn't want it is because they are stubborn and didn't like that someone who wasn't them would have the audacity to do a whole event around league.
Steph played in like semi pro one.
I think your personal best videos were the flex queue ones. It's actually hilarious to hear the comms with meteos and watching you play with silver players.
The more he talked about the riot-bjerg situation the more I realized how big time riot & lcs fucked up lmfao
Put this on a business manner perspective RIOT waste the opportunity to make their market more bigger. Doublelift was right, two biggest content creators are playing on a charity event that was hold, especially Mr. Beast who has a millions of viewers around the world. They probably thought that Doublelift and Tyler are enough, but Bjerg is the face of the game.
If I were in the RIOT'S position, I wouldn't waste such one big time opportunity to let pro players in this kind of event with the biggest content creator in the world.
LCS executives skipped business classes lol
@@koromo-chan Bjerg the face of the game? 😂😂😂 Since when?? You must be thinking about faker, or literally anyone else LOL.
@@austin1119 probably my thinking at that time was way back, so that's why I said such thing lmaoooo
@@austin1119 Bjerg is the face of LCS.
Doublelift, how could you lose with our greatest NA support talent? Sadge...on a real note Do you have a bruise from Tyler?? Geez
ma mans soul was push out of his body
@@poesdestrojermusic8259 Dr Strange type deal.
supporting the enemy team lmao
hey is it me or is doublelift videos low in volume? love the videos btw I always look forward to seeing them!
Your chemistry with meteos and sneaky during co streams is so fun. Would love to see some flex with those guys as well
I for one think that you’re a pretty good content creator and personality! I hope you go through with all the collabs and stuff, while I love league I think seeing you okay other games with other people sounds amazing :D
I feel like swapping t1 to jungle or sp would had give them an easy win but both newbies took the role and you cant leave 2 new beginner in bot lane
Agreed with first half, but leaving two newbies in bot would end the end game because both teams have 1 pro/1 challenger
@@Giggles4692 oops typo it was suppose to be can’t
Doublelift and Ludwig content is actually some of my favorite. I’d watch them speedrun pencil sharpening
I never watch 40 mins videos without fast forwarding but i didnt ff for this video maybe signs that doublelift content is improving
I would like to see a Doublelift+Ludwig content series where Ludwig and Doublelift BOTH make a bet in the same direction: that Doublelift can coach Lud to Diamond within, idk, 5 months, and DL takes personal responsibility for Ludwig's progress, the "Mickey" to Lud's "Rocky."
Ludwig has said on stream he's running low on content ideas, that he's a god gamer, and anyway he's into making dumb bets and playing sidekick while sharpening his skills in anything game-related & contentbrained, so this would be right up Lud's alley. Plus, League of Legends is still a huge pool of viewership that Lud hasn't really tapped into, and you could be his gateway to it. This charity event was the perfect beginning for this partnership because any League cred he might've had got absolutely _ONEPIECED_ here, and now he's due for a Redemption Arc. Who else to whip him up those Rocky Montage Stairs but the Retired Pro whose games he threw?
Occasionally ppl like Tyler and Mizzy could join comms just to grief the training seshes. Oh, one episode with QTcinderella and imaqtpie [BOTH QTs!!! AT LAST]. Dude it would be such a rich content farmhouse. If Lud does really well some day, you could sub in Damonte as coach for a day - I have no idea what happened to Tanner (Damonte) but I still remember him as the most charismatic LCS player of all time. So yeah, guest coaches could be a thing, if you and Lud wanted to give other dying League streamers a piece of the pie, and the variety would be great for content (Heisendong is hella funny and pretty chill, too, as another guest coach, and Ludwig strikes me as Donger Pocket Pick kinda guy).
Here's my idea for the stakes: if Ludwig fails, Doublelift isn't allowed to play any videogame except Jump King till he beats Jump King, and every time DL has a "Major Fall" (to be defined by the two of them together, beforehand), Lud has to put, idk $20 into a pot (maybe DL can match with $2 per fall, idk). At the end, the money could
idea 1: go to a charity (boring but crowd fave)
idea 2: go to a new Geoguesser Tournament to be hosted by Ludwig, Rainbolt and Dream
idea 3: go towards sending Doublelift and Ludwig to Japan together, but neither is allowed to speak in anything except their broken Japanese during daylight hours.
3.1 They can "buy" English sentences, but they have to type it in their chats first and chat decides how much of their remaining Jump King Money each English sentence costs, money goes to a charity. Lud will inevitably bankrupt the pot on Day 1.
Okay I'm getting way too hyped for a dumb daydream. Pull it back, Cohen, pull it back.
Take ur adhd meds or stop taking the drugs
Bro really went outta he’s way to type this 😭😭😭
What
:chatting:
I want to see the transition of Doublelift to the OTV/IRL type streamer. Obviously he's still really good at league and if he wanted to, could return to the LCS and be a top 5 ADC easily. DL has the personality and looks to succeed in IRL content for sure.
doublelift realizing silver and gold players are actually pretty decent now, silver supports will do those lvl 3 roams regularly, they just are bad at other things like rotations later in the game, most people who main a role know how to play it from level 1-6, its after that where people start becoming idiots and not playing as a team
Yeah, and the holding cc is very common even at Silver 4
@@FukoHasStarfish I agree. I've noticed that the easiest way to climb in silver is just to ramp up the chaos on the map. I guess everybody took the "play safe and make high % plays" to the extreme and now they get mad if somebody 'tryhards' and does a 3 camp clear in to a bot lane tribush gank.
gold and silver have never been more trash.
The entire event was kinda hard to watch I was legit watching the side bars half the time cause all the fights were off screen 😂😂😂
I interacted with you ages ago at Anime expo 2017? I think I was with my buddy Trihex(Trihard face) and I felt like your social skills were pretty good while I uncharacteristically was awkward lol.
Doublelift and Tyler1 analysis on the event is like day and night lmao
Leena is tryna protecc the lift
Awesome hearing how you drew inspiration from this
In all honesty, this was my favorite league event in a long time
This event was like an solo queue experience
Clean cuts Kasinozz
NBA players are allowed to play on their national teams and on Charity events afcorse. Atleast some of them are
Hey great review man, very fair and considers the big picture
The issue was making Ludwig play thresh lmao hard champ for a new player. Shoulda put him on Sona lol. The point he makes about letting him play is so on point that’s why they got mad lol.
Actually T1 did say that you only started mentioning you had audio problems 2 games in lol...
wait so it was just him lmao
Nah yassuo also said that everything was echoing, you could hear the fans and announcers louder than your teammates, they were using the headsets giving to them by the people running the event.
i think lcs is just too lazy to deal with the legal side of it. this is absolutely free marketing
Honestly the first game sure let lud play what he wants after the loss tell him what to play and just tryhard like moe was, the other team was just smurfing on you guys
LOL riot really doing well... not allowing qt and voy to play in champions que, not allowing Bjerg to play in this event, and i feel there was a 3rd thing they talked about on trashtalk that just blows my mind
Respect tyler for kneeling down for the thumbnail so he wont tower over everyone to shame
I felt bad cause I was kinda busting on Lud at first then someone said hes like an actual lvl 16 player iI was like oh sht......Sounds like riot matchmaking.
riot is so lucky and they cannot see it in front of their eyes lmao. why does it remind me so much of nintendo
" Tyler1 on people INVADING his house IRL " - that video is sick
I stopped playing lol and watching lcs but I still keep up with doublelift videos. It was the toxic community for the reason why I left but I still enjoy these videos.
preach, i do the same. I play aram like every now and then with friends if they ask to play but nothing more.
Same man. Everytime I que up for ranked I'm reminded of why I stopped doing that.
the toxic community made u leave? did u play the game for a week?
@@Zmargo702 no just from season 3 to season 10
big same brother
Mr beast probably just doesn't play much and that's why I'd think he would be gold. Seems like you really have to put time in the game to push your rank up past gold.
A game a day sounds about right for gold. Sad to say unless you're really lucky and good at the game one a day is going hard to climb
@@matthewandrews2886 he also said he rarely plays ranked
Doublelifts hair line is going faster than TRICK2G, guy should probably do something about it.
this tournament is 100% the reason im sticking with logitech peripherals that audio was so trash my god
the thumbnail 💀
This was so fun to watch
DL got hit so hart by T1 he couldnt hear anything at the game lol
I know a lot of people are probably gonna disagree with this but as someone who plays a lot of normal games and plays against all types of different skill levels I don't actually think the skill difference between like silver 1 and diamond 3 is that big. The higher ranked people often just play way more games or decide to onetrick in ranked while a lot of lower elo players just play for the skin you get for being gold or want to try playing different shit to make the game more fun for themselves.
as a former diamond player whos account has decayed i can feel a huge skill gap every time i play against golds. so ya i completely disagree.
I’m sorry but there’s a fucking canyon between silver players and even plat players let alone diamond players.
That's such a hot take, worse is that you're also wrong. Jesus.
Here's a hot take: the diversity of player skill levels and the strong/weak points of individual players is so large below plat that you can't generalize the skill of anyone ranked bronze-gold. You can make an umbrella statement and say they're just bad but a lot of them have very specific skills that rival plat or higher players i.e roam timings, mechanics, map awareness, etc. But because they also have exploitable weak areas, or inexperience, they are just seen as shitty players when those areas are targeted.
doublelift lucian vs mid viktor hmmmm
familiar
You gotta do a collab with ludwig that would be so much fun to watch
that analogy of NBA player participating in football doesn't even make sense cuz it's STILL league and trad athletes STILL participate in charity games and other casual games
Not saying this is the norm, but there a definitely people in low elo that have skills beyond their rank because they just don't grind lp.
great vid
Felt bad for lud they threw him in there with big fish when he's only lvl 18, and felt bad that double lift had to try and coach him while Tyler and ninja were probably pissed off at him lol. Nothing against lud but I don't think he should've been there. Like emiru and mizkif seem pretty good at the game, Mr beast turned out to be a beast, yas is on fucking yasuo, and voyboy is a pro. Meanwhile ninjas team doublelift and Tyler can't carry against a decent team. No matter how good you are remember league is a team game, better team will always beat a better player.
This is true. He’s level 18 and was thrown in against a team with a combined elo of like plat/diamond.
Mizkif wasn't really good at the game, he was just thrown in a role where he couldn't do anything wrong on a brainless tank champ. The third game when Ludwig went jungle as well (so the two noobs on either team are in the jungle) they stomped. They never should've put him on support, no matter how good your adc is you're still gonna get abused.
ah Amazon production you say? It all makes sense now
Ninja's samira was pretty clean and MrBeast was a fucking beast the first 2 games
First name Mister, middle name Fucking, last name Beast
@@andrewli8900 rly cringe
That apologize made me tear up :(
What apologize
No one else said their microphones were bad. Was only Doublelift's mic bad? Did Doublelift tell anyone?
bring on the flex queues
Who cares if they lost? It was a charity event and showmatch, as long as everyone had fun and wasn’t stressed out it sounds like a win to me
tyler1 flaming doublelift for not walkthrough ludwig etc..but doublelift is actually so humble and just doesnt care if he wins or not but in the end doublelift actually says the truth..tyler1 did not pick a single scaling champion in all three games and just tyler1 perma flaming his team mates but he did many things wrong as well..besides it is a charity event man chill out and have some fun either you lose or win you are a winner to everyones eyes
If Doublelift only plays league how will he improve his content creation mechanics
lol good one
17:57 as someone who played smite for three years b4 switching to league in 2018 i can say smite is def not a better game but they beat LoL in the skin game by a MILE i mean their skins make riot look like a company working outa a mcdonalds bathroom in the middle of a third world country
Doublelift new BEST MID NA?
Everywhere from 11:28 is so true, honestly riot games is egoing
I mean professional athletes participate in golf tournaments all the time while being signed to teams still
yeah i stopped watching the vod because of how bad the observers were, it was very frustrating. The interviews were entertaining though, good event overall
Just do what atrioc does with marketing Monday and give us flex queue Friday on a Thursday
When DL talked about leaving league in 2 years 😪😞😔
How is no one talking about the thumbnail 😂😂😂😂
44:10 Bro same. They actually get mad that someone who has 0.000023% of their play time isn't instantly good at the game. It happens a lot in rocket league too (and i'm sure other games).
Worst part apart league streams is twitch chat, especially Tyler's chat. He makes a single mistake as little as missing a cs and chat flames like they play perfectly every single game, and they carry this behavior over to other streamer's channels.
yes I am also not gold but oh well, you get games like these and sometimes other type of games...
their team is so stacked, Yassuo is gm, Voy has been gm, emi is high rated adc main, mr beast has 10 years of experience, and their bad player has like 5x the games that lud had. idk who balanced these teams but they were hella stoned lmao
Does doublelift not remember playing with lud 7 months ago and Ludwig playing yuumi? Lol
Ovilee the entire cast: "OHHHHHH!"
AND I'D DO IT AGAIN
@@OvileeMay DID NOT EXPECT YOU OF ALL PEOPLE TO REPLY!
“No one has anything bad to say about Lud”… except Tyler1 xD.
Lets be real Tyler is just a bit of a problem if you give him the mic
LCS athletes cant participate in other tournaments because NBA athletes can't? This is a false flag, professional athletes do not play sports outside their profession because of the potential for injury. The players are still free to make money however they want. NFL athletes have even helped promote the XFL. Honestly what is the potential chance for an LCS athlete to be injured at a tournament? With each bit of information that is leaked, the road to their demise is illuminated more and more.
I personally just don't like voyboy after the hashinshin drama and yassuo about gambling but I guess is fine with dl tho
No, MrBeast is not gold - that guy is legit Diamond+, absolutely agree. The guy is HUSTLIN
no way.
DL hasn't seen what gold is in a minute if he think Mr.Beast is doing crazy shit. Gold players for the most part are just old accounts that are hardstuck.
*opportunity to save your dying game*
*LCS* Nah.. pass.
What the actual F***? I feel like these opportunities don’t come around often. Who knows if they get another opportunity like this prior to the death of the LCS.
Why did you have your iron play on Thresh tho?
Worrying about a European LoL league when scheduling your own content can't possibly be sustainable if growth is the goal tho
I can't believe they banned your co-streaming privileges just from saying the lcs viewership is dying 🤣
What's the story of elements? Got mad at him?
TYLER ABUSING DOUBLELIFT WE MUST FINE HIM
44:28 Yeah, then players will complain about long queue times and autofill being enabled lol.
If you'd gone with lud jg from the beginning you would've won one game because they probably ban fid afterwards
They might have banned it for one game imo. Either game 2 they see it as a threat and ban it and then forget about it game 3, or game 2 they don't think target banning the least experienced player is fun or worth it but then regret that and ban it game 3.
im gold and i do this stuff on leona all the time...
12:00 viewership is dying because Doublelift is no longer in the LCS :(
I'm actually surprised yasuo wasn't toxic at all.
i feel hes really changed a lot. its very sad tho
Yea man gambling does things to people
I know the boys flame LCS observers all the time, but wow these observers sucked.
riot gatekeeping lmao
LCS pregame/postgame show is shit. It shouldn't be hard to talk about matchups. Its like they picked the cast from a bus stop outside a community college.
Feels so good to watch kassadin lose 😂
nba players play in pro-am games some summers, lcs just sucks
OOOF sorry you needed 3 chally players on your team to win.
Which team has 3 chall?
Didnt you hear when you payed together with mrbeast? He Said he payed for many years beror becoming famous
why not sneaky tho?
NBA players play in the drew league yet they wouldn’t let bjerg play lol