Very fascinating. She's beautiful. My first husband committed suicide. Its such a tragic reality. You wonder what atrocities lead them to that decision. Its a very emotional tug of war for family and friends. Makes you take stock of your own life... Find a way to appreciate that persons life and celebrate their memory, reconcile their choice so to speak. I can see peace in this painting. A resting place for her in a beautiful moment. I'm glad you didn't edit out the brush drop. I feel like I can relate with you. You're good. You're authentic and gifted. I ran across this because I was told to look up info on the zorn palette. I previously watched a video using oils, so when I saw yours listed I was immediately intrigued by how you would handle the black. Love this. Will definitely inspire some future paintings.
Like this video?!! I LOVED it! ❤️ Both videos were incredibly informative on the Zorn’s pallets and variations or extensions of that pallet. Mostly what captured my heart, however were the wonderful tributes to these rarely remembered black women that died so tragically. In the first video, all I could do was cry as you brought life back into these amazing women. You’re lessons on painting our skin color with watercolor and gouache in any shade or tone was absolutely mind blowing! Very well done, sister! Thank you!😢
Thank you *so* much for this video. I was wondering about using a Zorn palette in watercolor and I've also been wondering about making the range of skin tones. You also gave a beautiful tribute to these amazing women in your portraits. Very grateful for your experimenting and teaching
I definatly never thought about mixing a black or paynes gray to my watercolor skintones! 😱 But now I think I give it a try. So very interesting, thank you for sharing!
I seen many of your videos. I have come back to your videos. I’m a beginner with watercolour … so it have been a lot of good information. 🙏 thank you for that I don’t remember if it is like that on the other videos, but this one has fast forward all the time. To be honest I don’t think it makes the experience of watching this any better. And this time I actually got headache of it. Anyway. Just wanted to give you feedback. You do what you want. You are a good artist and I like your thought process.
This was awesome, I am always intrigued by the Zorn palette and I love that you not only showed different options for the black, but then you also demonstrated the palette as well. Lovely portrait lovely artist. Thank you!
Ooo I'm so excited you tried a bunch of options for the black! I too was really surprised by the range with lamp black. While the indanthrone is of course the closest to a primary set, I suspected the Payne's grey would be the closest to the dark tones in the original Zorn palette. Your neutral tint was really impressive and reinforces my decision to have one on my main palette :) Great video!
I’m glad I tried them too! I would have expected the lamp black colors to have been much deader. I love doing these experiments because they get me out of my comfort zone and using things I normally wouldn’t. 😆 I’ve started a secondary palette where I have things like Payne’s grey on it that I use just for pizazz!
This is super helpful! I'm currently doing my student teaching at the high school level and I'm doing a project about alfonse mucha and watercolor. I was so curious how the zorn palette would translate and now I can share this info with my painting class!
You really saved the day for me, Sadie. Thank you for your incredible videos, yours are the most comprehensive and easily understandable tutorials on Watercolor/gouache available on UA-cam. Love from India.
I really enjoyed the video and the painting. Both were really well done. The colour mixing with the 4 different 'ivory black' was very cool. Thanks. :)
Actually, my attempt on modification for the pallete was not getting a vibrant blue, I used both the Payne’s grey and the neutral tint version, but it changed the red for a more pink tone, because you can get much more beautiful purple tones, and the red and peach range still stays pretty intact, because the yellow ochre still makes warm-ish tones, overall it gets a bit more cold for the brown tones, but at least for my purpose it still is ... warm enough with the peaches and the olive colors c: and the colder hues are good for shadows in my style
Please do! I shed a tear every time I see granulating darker skintones. Sometimes it’s intentional and looks gorgeous, and I don’t mind a liiiitle bit to give the feeling of flesh. But most of the time it just looks like the pox 😂
Very nice! I normally use a simple secondary palette across my color mediums (watercolors, colored pencils, and oil pastels), but I decided to play with the Zorn palette in oil pastels. It's an interesting way of mixing skin tones! It works because certain "blacks" lean (dark) blue, and that kind of blue is good for adding shadow areas to skin tones; and also the yellow ochre and crimson (plus white) are short cuts for mixing skin tones from red/yellow/brown/white if you were doing it a more "traditional" way. I'm not too surprised that the lamp black provided good range; from a hue perspective, lamp black and ultramarine are closer in nature than indanthrone blue and ultramarine. For the curious, I work in Neopastel for oil pastels, and the colors of the Zorn palette I used were Black, Yellow Ochre, Scarlet, and White. For watercolors I still prefer to stick to permanent brown, isoindoline yellow, and indanthrone blue (plus the white of the paper) to mix skin tones---mostly for reasons of cost and that I'm starting to use watercolors less as my main media and more of a background to colored pencils.
this is beautiful! thank you for sharing the Zorn Palette with us. I never heard of him and i will be using this type of palette when I paint darker skin tones too!
I am always looking for simple palettes to try out, and I'm definitely going to add this! I'll call it the Sadie Palette. :) I had heard of the woman in this video but not the gouache one, so I am off to look her up!
I love that you are a Qor fan too. This was so good to watch I was wondering about paynes grey or even indigo in your last vid. Lamp black or ivory black just seems too questionable, each company makes them different, unless you are sure of one brand, you have variances. A bluer dark sounds more beneficial for a wider range. I love your scientific mind as well as your creative side! It's so cool to resonate with people like me! My small town limits, but not the internet LOL
I want to try it in indigo as well, but I don’t have one of those, but maybe soon! The best thing about the internet is that way it lets us make these connections!
Hi I'm new to your Channel you're super talented love what you do with this palette I'm definitely going to look into it... from one artist to the next thanks for sharing...
To me, the lamp black version looked most like the zorn, but could be just my monitor. He didn't use "blue" rather using "cool black" that had blue tinge while diluted with white. As saturated color though looked pretty neutral... But playing with triads and other colorwheels never gets old! ^.^ nice lineup all and all ^.^
It’s interesting how people have different opinions! That’s why I did several, so anyone could see which they thought worked the best. I’m glad lamp black looked the best to you. I’m aware he used a cool black ( I’m pretty sure I said that in this series of videos) but obviously it slots in where the blue would in a traditional primary palette. Playing with triads is always a ton of fun for sure! 😃
Sadie Saves the Day it reminded me of video from Sycra youtuber about color theory and choosing colors for harmonious painting :) underlined point was that it doesn't matter how color looks "on its own" but how it looks side by side with others :) it was for digital art, but can be applied to traditional too :) triads are awesome source of fun! ^.^
Sycra has some really cool videos that are applicable to color used in lots of ways! Color harmony and color in relation are of course some of the most important things, and that is exactly why I say that the black fits in the blue spot of the triad, because it is the coolest color in the palette. It’s nice to see how different ways of thinking about color mesh and agree with one another! 😀
Sadie Saves the Day imho white and black colors are wrongly "shunned away" in watercolors, they do have their places there :) personally my darkest color is indanthrone blue in the palette in cool spectrum and burnt umber (or pbr 6) on warm spectrum, those two can mix everything in-between of them straight throught "black" spot for me :) still keeping a pan of lamp black around though, sometimes it does wonders "muting" the colors nicely down :)
The white Zorn used, which was lead white, equals to our titanium white, but it was not only used to create bright highlights, but to cool down the colors. So even with watercolors, allowing the white of the paper to be your white, doesn't make justice to the Zorn palette. Is not enough, you need an opaque white, to do the trick, at least a white gouache. Also the Ivory black he used, which is no longer available, had a distintive blue undertone, which he actually used to create blues, when mixed with white! His Ivory Black served as a black and a blue! Today we can use a paynes gray, a very dark in its mass tone to substitute his ivory black. And as for the red, he used Vermilion, which is no longer available. The vermilion color today is a red orange but still an orange, his vermilion was a warm red that lean toward the orange when mixed with white, The closest color we have now, to his vermilion, would be cadmium red light .
I also have a longer class on all types of skin tones on Skillshare www.skillshare.com/classes/Perfect-Portraits-Painting-Faces-and-Skin-Tones-in-Watercolor-with-Ease/661694546/lessons
I use white and black all the time. I used it yesterday to give life to a brick wall what needed some interest. Im for every amused that people "dont use white" but stay having white gouache 🤔😂 I understand the concept of "i used white and it didnt work" I dont understand the concept of "well traditionally white isnt used so i didnt" its not an attack. Its just my world view is different im like "Tradition dont pay my bills. What Tradition got to do with me? I dont know her" 😂😂 😂🤔😅
Very fascinating. She's beautiful. My first husband committed suicide. Its such a tragic reality. You wonder what atrocities lead them to that decision. Its a very emotional tug of war for family and friends. Makes you take stock of your own life... Find a way to appreciate that persons life and celebrate their memory, reconcile their choice so to speak. I can see peace in this painting. A resting place for her in a beautiful moment. I'm glad you didn't edit out the brush drop. I feel like I can relate with you. You're good. You're authentic and gifted. I ran across this because I was told to look up info on the zorn palette. I previously watched a video using oils, so when I saw yours listed I was immediately intrigued by how you would handle the black. Love this. Will definitely inspire some future paintings.
Like this video?!! I LOVED it! ❤️
Both videos were incredibly informative on the Zorn’s pallets and variations or extensions of that pallet. Mostly what captured my heart, however were the wonderful tributes to these rarely remembered black women that died so tragically. In the first video, all I could do was cry as you brought life back into these amazing women. You’re lessons on painting our skin color with watercolor and gouache in any shade or tone was absolutely mind blowing! Very well done, sister! Thank you!😢
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Comments like yours keep me going. Thank you so much!
Thank you *so* much for this video. I was wondering about using a Zorn palette in watercolor and I've also been wondering about making the range of skin tones. You also gave a beautiful tribute to these amazing women in your portraits. Very grateful for your experimenting and teaching
I definatly never thought about mixing a black or paynes gray to my watercolor skintones! 😱
But now I think I give it a try. So very interesting, thank you for sharing!
To be honest I wouldn’t have either, but it works!
I seen many of your videos. I have come back to your videos. I’m a beginner with watercolour … so it have been a lot of good information. 🙏 thank you for that
I don’t remember if it is like that on the other videos, but this one has fast forward all the time. To be honest I don’t think it makes the experience of watching this any better. And this time I actually got headache of it.
Anyway. Just wanted to give you feedback. You do what you want. You are a good artist and I like your thought process.
This was awesome, I am always intrigued by the Zorn palette and I love that you not only showed different options for the black, but then you also demonstrated the palette as well. Lovely portrait lovely artist. Thank you!
Thank you for watching! It’s such a fun palette to work with!
Ooo I'm so excited you tried a bunch of options for the black! I too was really surprised by the range with lamp black. While the indanthrone is of course the closest to a primary set, I suspected the Payne's grey would be the closest to the dark tones in the original Zorn palette. Your neutral tint was really impressive and reinforces my decision to have one on my main palette :) Great video!
This painting is *gorgeous* by the way!! :)
I’m glad I tried them too! I would have expected the lamp black colors to have been much deader. I love doing these experiments because they get me out of my comfort zone and using things I normally wouldn’t.
😆 I’ve started a secondary palette where I have things like Payne’s grey on it that I use just for pizazz!
Gold mine. Zors is everywhere in oils, but this here is exactly what I need. Thank you!
This is super helpful! I'm currently doing my student teaching at the high school level and I'm doing a project about alfonse mucha and watercolor. I was so curious how the zorn palette would translate and now I can share this info with my painting class!
Gorgeous pallette & beautiful portrait of our Indigenous Sister. 😪 Rest her soul.
Beautiful portrait, the little bit of her story is heartbreaking. Tyfs.
What a lovely portrait. She looks like she's glowing :)
Thank you!! I always want that effect so that’s really nice to hear.
You really saved the day for me, Sadie. Thank you for your incredible videos, yours are the most comprehensive and easily understandable tutorials on Watercolor/gouache available on UA-cam. Love from India.
I really enjoyed the video and the painting. Both were really well done. The colour mixing with the 4 different 'ivory black' was very cool. Thanks. :)
I love your portrait sketches, i am so bad at scaling,so i love to see you paint them,for many different reasons
Actually, my attempt on modification for the pallete was not getting a vibrant blue, I used both the Payne’s grey and the neutral tint version, but it changed the red for a more pink tone, because you can get much more beautiful purple tones, and the red and peach range still stays pretty intact, because the yellow ochre still makes warm-ish tones, overall it gets a bit more cold for the brown tones, but at least for my purpose it still is ... warm enough with the peaches and the olive colors c: and the colder hues are good for shadows in my style
Ooh what pink did you use? That would be interesting to try out!
Sadie Saves the Day Schminckes permanent carmine c: it’s ....a pretty much medium pv19 I think c:
Thanks!
Lovely! And thank you for sharing those darker tone options-they were really helpful!
Darker tones don’t often get a lot of attention, so I’m glad you liked seeing them!
that neutral tint is lovely. I love your skin tones! So lovely.
It’s a great simple way to make retaliating skin tones! Thank you!
This was very informative. I will definitely give this a try. I really like the aspect of creating darker tones without granulation. TFS!
Please do! I shed a tear every time I see granulating darker skintones. Sometimes it’s intentional and looks gorgeous, and I don’t mind a liiiitle bit to give the feeling of flesh. But most of the time it just looks like the pox 😂
Very nice! I normally use a simple secondary palette across my color mediums (watercolors, colored pencils, and oil pastels), but I decided to play with the Zorn palette in oil pastels. It's an interesting way of mixing skin tones! It works because certain "blacks" lean (dark) blue, and that kind of blue is good for adding shadow areas to skin tones; and also the yellow ochre and crimson (plus white) are short cuts for mixing skin tones from red/yellow/brown/white if you were doing it a more "traditional" way. I'm not too surprised that the lamp black provided good range; from a hue perspective, lamp black and ultramarine are closer in nature than indanthrone blue and ultramarine.
For the curious, I work in Neopastel for oil pastels, and the colors of the Zorn palette I used were Black, Yellow Ochre, Scarlet, and White.
For watercolors I still prefer to stick to permanent brown, isoindoline yellow, and indanthrone blue (plus the white of the paper) to mix skin tones---mostly for reasons of cost and that I'm starting to use watercolors less as my main media and more of a background to colored pencils.
so happy to see this, Sadie! I have wanted to understand the Zorn palette better. thanks.
I’m so glad this helped! I love working with this range of colors!
this is beautiful! thank you for sharing the Zorn Palette with us. I never heard of him and i will be using this type of palette when I paint darker skin tones too!
Yes it’s so great to work with and makes painting portraits a lot easier!
Great video, Sadie. Can't wait for your class.
It’s out! skl.sh/2B6jPlh
So helpful, I’m definitely going to try the zorn method!
Love the paintings~
Thank you! I hope you like working with it!
i realize I'm pretty randomly asking but do anybody know of a good site to watch new movies online ?
@Dominik Devin i would suggest Flixzone. You can find it by googling :)
Simply beautiful. Love the tones you obtained.
Thank you!
Amazing, thank you for teaching.
Thank you for watching!
I am always looking for simple palettes to try out, and I'm definitely going to add this! I'll call it the Sadie Palette. :) I had heard of the woman in this video but not the gouache one, so I am off to look her up!
I’m honored! Also yes please look her up! She was amazing!
I love that you are a Qor fan too. This was so good to watch I was wondering about paynes grey or even indigo in your last vid. Lamp black or ivory black just seems too questionable, each company makes them different, unless you are sure of one brand, you have variances. A bluer dark sounds more beneficial for a wider range. I love your scientific mind as well as your creative side! It's so cool to resonate with people like me! My small town limits, but not the internet LOL
I want to try it in indigo as well, but I don’t have one of those, but maybe soon!
The best thing about the internet is that way it lets us make these connections!
Hi I'm new to your Channel you're super talented love what you do with this palette I'm definitely going to look into it... from one artist to the next thanks for sharing...
It is a really convenient and simple color palette! I hope you can try it out!
Great video
Thanks!
Amazing done! What kind of paper is that??
It’s on Hanhemuhle Bamboo paper 😃
To me, the lamp black version looked most like the zorn, but could be just my monitor. He didn't use "blue" rather using "cool black" that had blue tinge while diluted with white. As saturated color though looked pretty neutral... But playing with triads and other colorwheels never gets old! ^.^ nice lineup all and all ^.^
It’s interesting how people have different opinions! That’s why I did several, so anyone could see which they thought worked the best. I’m glad lamp black looked the best to you.
I’m aware he used a cool black ( I’m pretty sure I said that in this series of videos) but obviously it slots in where the blue would in a traditional primary palette.
Playing with triads is always a ton of fun for sure! 😃
Sadie Saves the Day it reminded me of video from Sycra youtuber about color theory and choosing colors for harmonious painting :) underlined point was that it doesn't matter how color looks "on its own" but how it looks side by side with others :) it was for digital art, but can be applied to traditional too :) triads are awesome source of fun! ^.^
Sycra has some really cool videos that are applicable to color used in lots of ways! Color harmony and color in relation are of course some of the most important things, and that is exactly why I say that the black fits in the blue spot of the triad, because it is the coolest color in the palette. It’s nice to see how different ways of thinking about color mesh and agree with one another! 😀
Sadie Saves the Day imho white and black colors are wrongly "shunned away" in watercolors, they do have their places there :) personally my darkest color is indanthrone blue in the palette in cool spectrum and burnt umber (or pbr 6) on warm spectrum, those two can mix everything in-between of them straight throught "black" spot for me :) still keeping a pan of lamp black around though, sometimes it does wonders "muting" the colors nicely down :)
The white Zorn used, which was lead white, equals to our titanium white, but it was not only used to create bright highlights, but to cool down the colors. So even with watercolors, allowing the white of the paper to be your white, doesn't make justice to the Zorn palette. Is not enough, you need an opaque white, to do the trick, at least a white gouache.
Also the Ivory black he used, which is no longer available, had a distintive blue undertone, which he actually used to create blues, when mixed with white! His Ivory Black served as a black and a blue! Today we can use a paynes gray, a very dark in its mass tone to substitute his ivory black. And as for the red, he used Vermilion, which is no longer available. The vermilion color today is a red orange but still an orange, his vermilion was a warm red that lean toward the orange when mixed with white, The closest color we have now, to his vermilion, would be cadmium red light .
Oh thank god, I've been struggling with darker skin tones
I also have a longer class on all types of skin tones on Skillshare www.skillshare.com/classes/Perfect-Portraits-Painting-Faces-and-Skin-Tones-in-Watercolor-with-Ease/661694546/lessons
Apparently shinhan and qor perform almost exactly alike. And since shinhan is only $1 a tube...
Where do you get your shinhan paints? I only see them for at least 7 times that much.
I use white and black all the time. I used it yesterday to give life to a brick wall what needed some interest. Im for every amused that people "dont use white" but stay having white gouache 🤔😂 I understand the concept of "i used white and it didnt work" I dont understand the concept of "well traditionally white isnt used so i didnt" its not an attack. Its just my world view is different im like "Tradition dont pay my bills. What Tradition got to do with me? I dont know her" 😂😂 😂🤔😅