That Pedal Show - 3 Angry Charlies vs Marshall Guv'nor, Wampler, Keeley & Carpe Diem
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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2016 JHS Angry Charlie alert! It now has three-band EQ, so…
In this video Daniel and Mick are comparing the three different Charlies up to 2016, alongside the pedal that inspired it, the Marshall Guv’nor. Plus, just for good measure we also have a Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe, Keeley 1962x and a Fire Custom Shop Carpe Diem.
Interesting bits and skip-to sections from today’s vid…
• What amps are we using today? 2:58
• Original Angry Charlie sound examples: 5:30
• Original Angry Charlie, 2016 Angry Charlie and @ (AT) compared - starts at 7:12
• 2016 Angry Charlie and Original Guv’nor compared - starts 11:13
• 2016 Angry Charlie & Original Angry Charlie presence and treble compared: 16:10
• Why the three-band EQ on the 2016 Angry Charlie makes it more versatile than the previous version: 18:20
(including proof that neither Mick nor Dan can play anything like Carlos Santana: 19:27)
• EQ on the original Guv’nor compared to the EQ on the 2016 Angry Charlie: 21:22
• Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe overview and compared with the 2016 Angry Charlie: 23:30
• Keeley 1962x overview: 30.10
(including proof that Mick can’t play anything like Clapton-era Bluesbreakers: 32:56)
• A little bit about Dan’s Les Paul: 35:25
• Fire Custom Shop Carpe Diem sound examples with Les Paul and Strat: 37:04
• Dan’s Tele with all the pedals. And then ALL the pedals. Oh dear… 41:32
The pedals we’re using today are…
JHS Angry Charlie (original version)
JHS Angry Charlie (2016 3-band EQ version) - now on version 3
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2gVXQPy
USA: bit.ly/3mqekD7
Australia: bit.ly/2hE3vP1
JHS @ Andy Timmons - now on version 2
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2RgXMM0
USA: bit.ly/3youUbb
Australia: bit.ly/2DLarD4
Wampler Plexi-Drive Deluxe
USA: bit.ly/3nT89s5
Australia: bit.ly/2E85OSy
Keeley 1962x - no longer made
Fire Custom Shop Carpe Diem - no longer made
Original Marshall Guv’nor - no longer made
Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man 1100-TT
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2WbQLhG
USA: imp.i114863.ne...
Mick is playing a PRS DGT model, Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster and Collings 290 DC.
Dan is playing a Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard and Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster.
Amps are a Fender Super Reverb with 4x10 Jensen alnico speakers and a Hamstead Artist 20+RT through a 1x12 Celestion Alnico Blue.
As always, all pedal and amp switching and routing is handled by TheGigRig G2.
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The angry charlie and the AT are by far the best amp like distortion pedals I’ve ever used and will never leave my board
Are they still working for you? I’m thinking about getting the AC as a baseline distortion to run through my fender bassman.
Now that the Guv'nor is back in Town.. lets have fun!!!
The Marshall Guv'nor was the pedal that really introduced me to good pedal distortin. It remained the primary distortion in my first band until we got an ART Extreme. That pedal seems to be sadly forgotten.
The ART XTreme pedal is a hidden gem, imho. I have been trying to get someone to make me a standalone version of it (without the Fx on it) for a looong time.
The guvnor is more open . Love it
I'm a Texas born and bread guitarist. It took a while but you boy's have grown on me. Y'all can play them guitars and let the tones of the gear y'all use really shine through.
Thanks for great video's and help understanding tones for gear I'm very interested in.
Jolly good show.
Cheers Eric :)
Could you guys do a 'Marshall in a box' into a Fender vs a real Marshall shootout? Maybe even a blind test would be cool
Yup!!!!
They did but I don't remember the video. It didn't sound the same at all but sounded nice anyway and it could cover the same ground.
Be od
I have a old guvnor, a shredmaster and a purple plexi and they all sound great into my 71 super reverb. I preferred that sound over using them with my marshall head, which was already doing the marshall thing ...
Thanks to your demos I went and bought an angry Charlie v3 today. In the store I try not to play it too loud, but once I got it home it truly roars with the warmth and bite I love. Incredible. Thanks guys.
+Tim Flohr great stuff, thanks Tim :)
I see your point, but not to forget that the crunch box is also basically a a simplified Marshall Guv'nor. :-)
MB215 STOP IT WITH THE CAPS LOCK!
no you didn't.
MB215 cool_starry_bra.jpg
The pre-gain side on the plexi-drive deluxe is an independent tube screamer type circuit, the left side is the marshall style od.
The "moustache" is the stripe on Charlie Brown's shirt.
+David Dyte yeah duh, dan
+David Dyte yeah, obviously Charlie Brown
Guv'nor all the way here. It's down to taste of course but the other pedals seemed to 'block up' a little (rather like the JCM900 series) rather than 'ring' when playing chords.
When Mick unleashed on the Plexi-Drive I was in heaven!! Well done Mick.
I picked up the Angry Charlie V3 last weekend, due to how awesome it sounded in your videos and I got to say I am not disappointed thus far. Love your videos , keep up the excellent work!! Cheers!!!
Right foot switch on the Wampler is a Tubescreamer
Greetings from the States! I have the Wampler on my board. The post gain (left foot switch) is the Marshall overdrive. The pre gain (right foot switch) is a tube screamer circuit. When both are engaged it's supposed to sound like a screamer into a cranked Marshall. It compresses more, boosts the mids and tightens up the bass. I really like it. Tons of flexibility.
I know it’s been said but to expand:
Angry Charlie circle and mustache are
Charlie Browns round bald head and squiggly line shirt. In addition to connecting the brown sound of a Marshall to the character, the squiggly line also represents the sawtooth wave form produced when driving an amp into overdrive or the gain stages in an overdrive pedal.
Can’t go wrong With the guvnor in my opinion.
Plexi drive is solid. Dumped it only bc had a fizzle tone with specific amp I like to use. Didn't do it on my other amps. Now using a revival drive compact for the lighter crunchier stuff. But the Plexi drive was solid.
Still glad I bought the @. Some of those like the Carpe are amazing, but the @, especially in 18 volt mode, is just so open and organic. I like the 1962x a lot, but it's sorta a different animal, more like the regular Charlie, more JTM 45 than JCM. An obscure pedal to substitute the '62 with would have been the Hot Modded 800 by some Texas company, is pretty sweet, but a little hard to come by. Always a great show, guys!
Re-Posting here: Guys, cheers from the US. I have followed Mick in Guitarist for years,
and somehow stumbled on this show...have recently become obsessed, and
am now an evangelical devotee. I play in a lot of cover bands - and my
saving grace from a budget and ease o' use scenario has been the POD
HD500 (FX ONLY). I've been psycho stoked about the Helix coming, and recently
bought, fondled, and sadly - returned it. I returned the Helix because
I'm undecided in my debate to move to stompboxes. But the topic is
this: Can I combine stomps and digital modelers, specifically drives,
comp, fuzz, etc. with digital modeling devices like M9. Why am I asking this
question? The Helix sounded better with drives (and anything that
modified gain structures), before hitting the input of the Helix. On the
POD HD ...not even close. I understand this has to do with dynamic
range. I would love to have Drives/comp/whammy
into M9 (for all mod/dly/etc.) into amp. Then another M9 in loop. what about other multi-effects? drives into input?
Totally loving the Keeley 1962x ... Great Peter Green / Eric Clapton Beano sounds!! Great idea the KT66 / KT88 switch to change the squash
Isn't the "mustache" graphic as you put it a reference to the design of Charlie browns t-shirt?
Yes it is
Yes sir
It amazes me people don't know this. Charlie Brown. Internationally known world famous comic strip and cartoon. At the very least you could've googled it. "Mustache", seriously? You guys are workin with some extra chromosomes:/
I laughed so hard. I didnt know if he was joking or not. Made me wonder if he knew what Charlie is was even named after. It would have been pushing it but this pedal should have been orange for sure.
I don't think the Peanuts was nearly as prominent in the UK and it was in the US. They've probably never seen it, much less know who Charlie Brown is.
Thank God - it's Friday again: Pedal Show Day. And another one on every guitar player's favorite subject: overdrive/distortion. This jhs Andy Timmons is outstanding! Thanks again Dan and Mick
The Guv'nor sounded the best of the lot of them.
That Keeley 1962x was sweet. I would love to see a video comparing some Bluesbreaker style pedals...1962, Charlie Brown, Marshall Bluesbreaker pedal etc.
And THE box of rock from Zvex ! Is in that way
A classic line-up of beautiful Marshall tone pedals.
Honestly, you guys have an awesome show! There are MANY of us who are head over heels in love with great gear. Your show never ceases to satisfy..
nah i hate nice gear
I can vouch for the Wampler Plexi Drive. I've had mine for two years now and it will never be sold or traded. There's plenty of gain unless you do serious metal. I play an LP or 335 usually, into a Peavey Classic 30 for large gigs and a Katana for smaller ones. The boost side is an independent tube screamer type circuit. It's extremely flexible and Wampler makes good stuff. Highly recommended.
The logo on the Angry Charlie is supposed to be Charlie Brown. The round head and zig zag pattern on his T Shirt. My guess is Brown Sound > Charlie Brown > Angry Charlie
+Mike Taffet That makes sense Mike. We like the Charlie Brown too. Thanks for watching!
+That Pedal Show I assumed it was a gainy-er version of their Charlie Brown pedal
+Baby G not saying it isn't, that's obviously where the angry part comes in. But the circle and zig zags is clearly taken from the Charlie Brown comics.
Andy's AT is my favorite, Carpe Diem is my 2nd. I actually have the original Plexi Drive and I think it sounds better than all of these for low gain IMO.
Omg its Friday and I just came back from a tiresome studio recording! How wonderful it is when you go back and see your favorite channel has uploaded another great video with two wonderful guys who are fun as well as knowing what they are doing! Thanks again!
Btw, I got my Andy Timmons @ pedal couple of weeks ago and A/Bed that with the Angry Charlie V3 (the new one) in the shop, and honestly thought they both sounded great. BUT! the AT with that 3 positions toggle switch as well as having the Presence knob (which is lacking on the AC new version unfortunately I must say) is far more versatile IMHO. Also I noticed that as you said in the video the AC V3 is a definitely less bright. I guess the reason is that on the AC new version you don't have the Presence knob anymore which I think is very crucial for shaping and matching the sound with different amps. I think the Mid and Bass are already set perfect on these pedal and we don't really have to mess with them. AT is more versatile IMO but all the others are also very good. :)
+konnektlive exactly the same for me an hour ago as I get back from school!
Charlie Brown and Keeley 1962x are pedals fantastic!!!!!
It's got to be the original Angry Charlie for me! That clipping sounds just so amazing.
+Paisley Wilde it's pretty killer :)
Carpe and 1962 were super smooth, really nice
Angry Charlie is great but you can get the Charlie's voice with the Wampler plus all the additional features like the built in screamer. My vote is for Wampler. Amazing pedal.
+Jeffrey Haefner yep, Wampler is killer
+That Pedal Show is the wampler good for a solid state amp,sounds ferocious on every demo I heard
G'damnit, now I have to look into that 1962!!
Thanks to you, I now own an AT. Keep on with your excellent show. Gigged last weekend wearing your T-shirt, and I ended up talking gears for an hour and a half with other fans of yours later that night. :)
+Jonathan Veillette best post ever! Thanks J ;)
For me the clear winners here are the JHS pedals. For one thing, they all sound great with little tweaking. The Plexi Drive seems finicky to me. It ended up sounding good but not as good as the JHS or the Guv.
The original Angry Charlie and the new Andy Timmons @ model really have something in the low mids that give it the punch and warmth I was craving when I purchased my @. I would have loved you guys to spend more time on the @ because the 100 Watts mode make it a different animal than the other 2 ACs. The 25 Watts mode also just sings and adds so much sustain! The newest one was my least favorite of the 3 ACs in direct comparison. The original and @ both have a chewy, chunky quality that, having played the @ in a band context this week I know correlates to a great feel under the fingers. My bandmates immediately noticed the difference without me telling them I had something new. The new one has it too but less so than the original and @ from what I can hear here.
I don't know about the original AC but the EQ controls on the @ are both low pass filters so they really let the natural warm low mids and punch get through no matter the setting. I love that. For sure many will prefer the control of a 3 band EQ but I'm really glad I chose the @. If I needed to tweak the EQ in the bass I could do it with my multieffects or a dedicated EQ. My Strat has active EMG pickups though and they really push these low mids.
I've owned a few distortion pedals in my day and none ever sounded or felt as good to me as the @.
Great job guys!
As a life long Marshall user. Plexi drive wins. It sounds ridiculously close
my verdict: with tweaking they can all be made to sound the same.
It would be cool to see you guys try out JHS's Charlie Brown V4. I'm curious to see how it compares to the Angry Charlie and other pedals like it.
Sorry if this has already been answered, but the wavy mustache thing on the angry Charlie is the design on the front of Charlie Brown's shirt. Love the show guys!
+Brian Corley got it, cheers B :)
Great demo and finally a good tone from the 1962. Sounded really good on low gain.
Thanks guys.
Great addition this week guys! All are awesome pedals, And Mick, I'm definitely feeling the Bryan Adams! Not just because I'm from Vancouver Canada, even though he left us to live with you blokes, but because as you mentioned, Keith Scott set the mood for some of the most tasteful leads of the 80s and early 90s....definitely one of those underrated artists
+Mark I Nice one Mark. Reckless was a big part of my early learning as a player. Obviously I couldn't play any of the leads as a kid but the sense of rhythm and groove, and melody... And tone! Killer playing and sounds all over that album. Thanks for watching!
My regular Friday evening entertainment- the Wittertainment podcast and That Pedal Show. Living the dream
Man Mick seems to have unearthed an inner classic rocker. Awesome playing. You guys really have something special going on with this show. Totally addicted!
The best and most informative channel ever! You guys have been my teachers and I've learnt a lot through your videos. A shout out "Thank You!" from India.
I had a question though. It is regarding distortion pedals.
What is your opinion about the True Tone Jekyll n Hyde pedal? Could you guys do a comparison between the JHS AT drive and the True Tone Jekyll n Hyde V3. I would love to hear what you guys think about these two great pedals.
Thanks a ton!
Shannon
It's the stripe on Charlie browns t-shirt..
Gregory Jones Just a guess, but I think the circle is his head.
Maybe you guys didn't get the full potencial of the Plexi-Drive deluxe by not understanding the pedal. It's a Plexi-like drive in the post gain section with active EQ and a TS808 on the pre gain stage (with only the volume knob). If you could, please make another video about it. Beside that, excelent work as always. My favorite music channel on YT. Perfect chemistry between you two. Thanks for all the lessons and entertainment. From a Brazil fan here.
Damn now I have to build myself a Guv'nor clone. I actually started breadboarding it while I was watching this.. Man you guys and this show have not helped my crippling gear addiction LOL...
That collings guitar is something else. Love it!
Julian Peters better than Gibson shit quality control
nice one guys - I have my eyes (and ears) set on the Charlie AT version, it really has something special going on with the extra headroom, but I gotta tell you, I had no idea the original Guvnor's sounded that good! wow! You learn something new every day.
watched this some time ago I perfered the AT but now it's the V3... ohhhw love it
"I like that I can make the Charlie sound bad." lol
I run a Mesa 5:25 Express Plus on the clean channel with a Tone City Dry Martini (OCD) for lower gain work and my beloved JHS @ for higher gain on an American Loopers ABC Looper switch. The Mesa "Burn: channel is of course the highest gain option...
Cup of Coffee and That Pedal Show start my Friday off right!
Could be that I'm biased in that I just bought an Angry Charlie V3, but it sounds best to my ears. That TMB EQ is quite nice and completely usable. I rather like mine scooped.
Great video as always, I wish the Bogner La Grange was out already though so that it could be in this video since I'm really interested in it (especially after falling in love with the Red Pedal).
Interesting comparison with the Guv´nor. One of the reasons I stopped using it was the EQ: It was too "fiddly": I found a good sound, but as soon as I needed to change something, usually the top end, the mids would change, and then when you tried to fix that the whole sound was gone. I think I prefer boxes with just three, max four knobs..
Hey Dan and Mick, the squiggle under the circle is the pattern on Charlie Brown's shirt and the circle is his head. The smoke represents him being angry. Peanuts was popular in the US but I don't know if it was overseas.
i cried when you took the tele out. That tone was amazing through everything
24:23 IIUC the Pre Gain knob and footswitch are supposed to be a simulated dirt pedal sitting in front of the simulated Plexi amplifier.
i was expecting to love the carpe diem but i have to say it's the angry charlie v3 for me after this video
Hi,
I'm learning a lot from you, and using on my "rig". I'm user for a BOSS GT8 (yeah, It's not an actual pedalboard, but I'm not rich enough to buy all the pedals in the market).
Thanks to that video, I programmed a "Fender" with a "Gov'nor", and he works very well.
I don't know the purpose of every pedal; when I listened to you saying the G' was make to "emulate" a Marshall into a F type of amp, I'd tried with the GT8 and, yes, japanese people know that. After many time not finding an apropiate dist/OD for the F emulation, that's the right one.
Thank you.
+eduardoritos .. That's great Ed, some nice lateral thinking there :)
If we're voting I'm calling the Angry Charlie 3 with the Keely a close second! Great job as usual guys!
Probably because I sold my original Guv for $100 bucks ( can I get it back Alan? Please! )
great job MICK giving props to the AMAZING KIETH SCOTT!
I love Keith Scott. Still listen to Reckless all the time, still absolutely love it. Tone.
that solo on "everything thing i do" is some of the most BEAUTIFUL playing ive ever herd.
All sound great
need a MI Audio Super Crunch Box for HiGain tone fest :)
A/B with an actual Marshall. See if they can stand up to the real thing.
Incredible! We just got the 1962 in at work today and I tried it out over lunch; already on my list. Then I come home to watch this.
Awesome work as always boys :)
Wish you guys had a Catalinbread DLS.. I would love to hear it compared to the angry charlie.
You guys should do a follow up to this show comparing fender style amp in a box pedals (tweed 57, black 65, 5F6, ETC) to the real deal.
So guys, if I were deciding between an Angry Charlie and finding an old Guv'nor, you're experience is the Guv'nor 'sounds' a bit better but the Angry Charlie has a better EQ. Is that correct?
Just got the V3 AC today, and I can attest that the EQ is lit. Well worth the $200 USD.
I think the wavy line is what was on Charlie Brown’s T-Shirt.
You guys are reading my mind as I've been wondering which to buy. Thanks!
I have been wanting to get a jhs Charlie Brown or Angry Charlie for a while but can't afford them, I happened upon a Marshall JH-1 Jackhammer today for $20 US, needless to say I'm pretty excited about it!! It'll be fun for now, it's not quite the same, but never the less should be enjoyable for sure!!
+mike s nice! Have fun :)
Hey, first: i really love your videos, they helped me a lot understanding what you can do with pedals etc.! second: i looked through both channels and could not find a video about tremolo pedals...could you maybe change that ? Greetings from Germany
Been watching this in bits and pieces and finally got to Mick getting his EC on. NICE. I'll throw away the first two discs of my Crossroads box set and just make an mp3 of this video now ;)
+David Dyte Hahahaha! Maybe hold on to them a little longer David. For a 'Blues' player I surprise myself that I never really got into Clappers. I was too railroaded on SRV, Albert Collins, Hendrix... And then fast forward to Landau, Grissom, Philip Sayce... All of whom owe a debt to Clappers of course! I should woodshed some Brit blues. :0)
+That Pedal Show I got into slide blues first, from listening to Johnny Winter, Son House, Robert Johnson, Ry Cooder... Clapton came a bit later and then I was gutted to realize he's pretty damn good with a slide, too, even just using one as an afterthought.
Thanks Dan & Mick for this amazing comparison, exactly what I needed (as I commented in your other video before). Tasting licks, as usual, from you guys! Cheers
Would love to know what you guys think of the new Bogner La Grange.
Awesome as always, see if you can add a Blackstone Overdrive as you get a Plexi and a JCM800 in the one box, but no buffer and must come after the guitar ...
Finally figured out how to get a Carpe Diem shipped to me in the states. Cost a good bit, but I think it'll be worth it.
The "Angry" part of Charlie is the stripe on his t-shirt!
hows the metal zone project coming along?
love this show! thanks from Southern kentucky. finally two English chaps that speak American. so happy my limited intellect can understand you.
Really love this one. Been wanting to hear these side by side and esp on That Pedal Show! BTW, The graphic on the Angry Charlie is Charlie Brown's head and the design on his T-shirt he always wears.
wampler really should've just labeled the 2 gain knobs as "gain" and "boost" cause the "pre-gain" is just a screamer type boost independent from the main circuit
Great video gents thanks very uch, the Keeley and The Carpe Diem was my favorite if im honest..much more of a Marshall sound that I know.
Agreed. Plexi 50 Plexi owner here. They remind me of my amp. But I think the the other pedals are more of a JCM 800 vibe.
Great episode and fun.
That Carpe Diem seems to be slowly crawling into our computers.... stop testing it or many will have to buy it online.:)
Dan, Mick, I've only recently found out about your videos in the last few months. They are all unbelievably informative and inspiring. Thank you guys so much. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
+Ryan Hurst Thank you Ryan, great to have you on board. Thanks for watching!
Worth it just for Mick's expressions.
The Wampler sounded amazing with the P90, but iffy with the others. Something to do with that mid push from the pickup?
That's Charlie Brown's t-shirt pattern:) (the "mustache:)))
I used to do live sound and a couple of times a band would come in with a distortion pedal driving a loud twin reverb, and it would make my inner ear itch. I do not know if that makes any sense, but that is the only phrase I can use to explain this sensation.
That clean tone w the LP reached out of my phone and spanked me.
you guys need to do a best cheap pedals review for us less financially fortunate!
I run a Plexi-Drive dlx, but I wouldn't turn down any of those other pedals. Great demo
Fantastic gentlemen! Now I can go off and be productive after my Friday Morning Fix!
What I want is a T-shirt that has "It's a sound..." on the front, and "That Pedal Show" on the back. 2Xl please! Thanks for all the effort guys. I've learned a ton.
+kurt shetler ha! Love it :)
I was hoping you would get into the Carpe Diem a little more. Anyway, they all sounded excellent! Thanks for the video!
+Pedro Bernardi We've been asked so much about this pedal Pedro. We'll do something more in depth. Soon! Thank you for watching.
Keeley was my fave but I would say that as I own one. I have it pretty much with the lower gain settings you had. Then the Wampler for the higher gain stuff, just seem to have an extra bit of harmonic goodness. Although Adan's tele did seem to love the original AC.
I have OX4 pickups in my R8 they are amazing! Mark knows how to make a great PAF style pickup 👍🏻
I know where there is a guvnor pedal for sale unused £100 I’m gonna buy it…… good enough for gary moore good enough for me.