Which Marshall Would You Choose - JTM45 or 1987x Plexi?
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Two iconic Marshalls - which one would you choose?
Welcome to the show! A very simple proposition today - take two classic Marshalls, give ‘em a hammering and see what’s what.
Both amps are modern reissues: a 2245 JTM45 and a 1987x ‘Plexi’. They are both non-master volume amps that you will hear through the same cabinet. No attenuators, no direct sounds, no cab modelling, no post EQ or plugins - just the amps, speakers and microphones.
Big thanks to our mate Jake Loosemore for selling us the JTM45!
Questions arising…
How are you switching the amps?
With a Radial Headbone VT, remote switched via TheGigRig G3 - links below
What is the speaker cabinet?
A Marshall 1960AX 412 with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
Why two mics?
There’s an Austrian Audio OC18 and an AKG D190e. I recorded them both and mixed them to taste. (Mick here, hello).
There’s also a goodly dose of stereo room mics in the mix - 2 x AKG C414XL.
Why no FX loop discussion for the 1987x?
You can’t use the FX loop when using the Headbone VT
What is that blue guitar at the end?
A lovely chap called Dean Cutler came to a TPS Experience Day recently and brought a couple of his builds. We asked if he would leave one with us. His business is Cutler Custom Guitars, although there’s no formal website yet.
Enjoy the show!
Pedals used in this show
• Sonic Research Turbo Tuner ST-200
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• Tru-Fi Two Face
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• Boss DS-1W Waza Craft Distortion
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• ThorpyFX Heavy Water Boost
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• PRS Wind Through The Trees Dual Analog Flanger
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• Source Audio Collider Delay & Reverb
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• The Gigrig G3
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• Radial Headbone VT (switching the amps between one cab)
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Interesting Bits & Go-To Sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:57 What are we doing today?
3:33 A bit of history on the two amps
8:00 Rectifiers
12:05 What are our questions?
13:07 Normal & High Treble channels
13:55 Normal channels sounds
15:40 High Treble channel sounds
16:05 Jumping the channels
20:02 Clean tone & edge of OD JTM45
22:50 Clean tone & edge of OD 1987
26:00: Why no FX loop?
26:35 Clean tones both amps, Strat
27:45 Presence and negative feedback
28:50 Add some delay and reverb
33:35 Both amps on 4
35:20 Bright cap mod?
36:32 JTM45 Les Paul & more gain
38:35 What about a boost?
39:20 Can you put reverb in the front?
41:00 1987x Les Paul & more gain
43:50 Strat & fuzz o’clock
47:35 LP Junior & DS-1, both amps
50:40 S-type with a humbucker?!
52:00 Closing thoughts
Guitars in this video
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - Dan’s video here: • Pimp Your Vintage Guit...
• Gibson Custom True Historic ’57 Les Paul Goldtop. Murphy Aged - no video yet
• 1961 Fender Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Three New Strats For M...
• 1970 Fender Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Three New Strats For M...
• 1961 Gibson Les Paul Junior - Dan’s video here: • That Pedal Show - Our ...
• Cutler Custom Guitars Panama Classic
(Dean Cutler came to an Experience Day just recently and left one of his builds with us for a while. We like!)
Amps in this video
• Marshall 1987x
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• Marshall JTM45
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• Marshall 1960AX 412 cab with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
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It's a long story but I got my first Marshall 1987 in '71 when playing for Prog Rock band Tallis in London UK. I chanced on Ron Wood playing at a club where he had his jam band that he had so he could have a fun Blues band. He enjoyed playing small mainly obscure clubs where he hopefully would not have to deal with the celebrity thing. We had a long talk about his 50 watt Marshall. I wanted one but had no money so he arranged for me to get a mint used one on the cheap that he used in a studio. It is a long story but I paid for it and picked it up at the Selmer store.Twice I had to sell my 1987 but at 75 I think my now 3rd one will see me out. As for the old vs the new x model the difference is not a lot. The old one is just a bit more wooly and it has bit less bite. I can recommend either. As the guys mentioned you just need a little of the brite channel. Any Strat sounds great thru the amp but I really recommend if you use a guitar with Hummies you put in a Gibson 57 Classic.
What a great story, thanks Paul!
Amazing story
Real history. Great story
Awesome, Paul. Ceriatone offers Plexi models with different power filtering options based on the year. The filtering changes made them more gainy and aggressive from the early 70s on. The cathode bypass cap value also affected the gain above a given freq. That and the transformers used make the all sound a bit different. The Dagnell transfomers in modern era Marshalls haven't had the dynamic depth of the vintage ones by other companies. Perhaps those in these RI's are more like the vintage ones?
One of the most interesting things you guys did, that you’ve never re-created, is you set a 45 to be used with petals for your guitarist magazine thing.
Some of the coolest sounds that I ever heard with pedals were these unexpected combinations of mid pushing petals into a big Marshall. Would love to see you guys do that again.
These hour long videos where yall really get into nuts and bolts of things leaving no stone unturned are very appreciated!
"Beautiful clean sounds... but that's not what you're here for!" You know, I have to say, Marshall cleans are some of my absolute favorites. I think they have so much personality and have a real body and spank to them that I just don't get from the Fender camp. Got into them from those early Pretenders records and what James Honeyman-Scott and Robbie McIntosh had going on. Love those OD sounds as well, but Marshalls are underrated for their clean sounds and I think you guys successfully demonstrated why that shouldn't be. Well done!
Funny though. It's actually what I was here for.
"Clean Up" via adjusting the guitars volume-controls and ones "touch" to vary from cleaner through meaner to misdemeanor is KEY.
If you are an AC/DC cover band or something in the same category,..It is irrelevant.
Pristine cleans are beautiful but sometimes are not needed.
Everything I play has atleast a subtle amount of dirt on it. I think its beautiful as long as it has great note separation.
That’s how SRV used them. Usually. Marshalls for the cleans and Fenders for the higher gain. I’m sure the Dumble had something to do with how killer his tone was but….
I’m also a fan of the Marshall clean sound! Years ago I was playing both pedal steel and guitar through a 100-watt 1959SLP with surprisingly good results, albeit it with more efficient speakers. Not wanting to have to haul more than one amp I decided to take a shot at using the 1959 for pedal steel as well and both myself and my band mates were pleasantly surprised at how great it sounded. Totally unexpected. However, in the studio I still use vintage Fender amps for steel but in that live situation the Marshall was amazing for everything I played through it and it had headroom for days! At one point I was using a 50-watt 1987 in the studio for lap steel but it seemed to be in no man’s land because it was too loud for sessions and at the same time underpowered for live performance in my particular situation. A few weeks ago I acquired a reissue JTM45 to use on lap steel for recording and after substantial tweaking I’ve settled on a blend of using pedals combined with a slight amount of breakup from the amp itself. After trying a variety of speakers the Alnico Gold seems to pair best with the JTM45 so far.
Watching Dan's expression at minute 34 is incredible! The sudden shift to the 1987 and the wincing face followed by his slowly getting giddy with ROCK! He looks like a superhero who just suddenly discovered his powers. Also looks like every pimply faced 15 year old who plugs into a loud amp in the garage for the first time. Amazing to see your childlike enthusiasm for this stuff is still very alive and kicking! Great show
My 8 year old nephew has just started guitar lessons and it’s the same face he pulled when I turned my amp up and let him play. He’s never heard or played amplified so to say he enjoyed it is an understatement. He immediately did a Pete Townsend windmill lol
He looks like he's about to rock...and I salute him.
Historically, the 1987X has seen a vastly superior amount of use in bands and on hit records.
Fantastic comparison! I own one of these 1987x reissues, which is actually a very versatile amp which delivers 100% dynamic and detailed tones, from "clean" to overdriven as long as you use a decent cabinet. For those who complain about it's agressivity: this is relativ. 1) In a band environment it's a total different picture. 2) You may use the lower inputs as well, which are way smother, cleaner and controllable in certain situations. Don't forget, you can use the jumper in any diagonal way! 3) You can use the tone pot on your guitar as well to smothen the sound. 4) Experiment with the speakers or try a different cab. Playing through these amps is so much fun though it needs time to find your sweetspots due to its versatility!
I would love to hear a modern bassman reissue compared to the JTM 45
Yes, absolutely
They’re so completely different. They may have started out to copy a Bassman but they abandoned that idea very quickly. Originally because of part availability. There is very little that remains the same between the two. I’m not sure but I’d guess that the tone stack between a Bassman and a modern JTM45..I am actually interested to know what, if anything, remains the same between them. Anyone know?
@@shawnglass108 They have the same topology with slightly different part values. With the exception of the tubes (without a little bit of modification) they have interchangeable parts
Depends on what you mean by Bassman - 5F6A? 6G6B? AB165? AB864? AA763?
I am thrilled to see this episode on TPS! I have been a fan of your show for years. And I love pedals and how much I have learned from you about them. I hope you will include these amplifiers in more or your pedal demos. There are a great number of people who love these Marshall amps. Your expertise with pedals that sound great with these two different Marshall amps will be a valuable insight for TPS fans Thank you for this video!
Talk about an 'Andy Timmons' moment - Dan's playing at 32:00 through the JTM45 is just sublime...
Andy !
Phenomenal tones from both amps, and phenomenal playing from both of you in this episode! The ‘clean tone indulgence’ from Dan was superb, and then it was followed up by fantastic rock playing from Mick. Loved it!
Man, that clean tone on the JTM45 with the strat is amazing!
I have the hand wired marshall version from like 6or 7 years ago absolutely fantastic cleans
As someone who has built more than a few Marshall circuits, even I was astonished to suddenly one day realize that the Marshall was designed to deliver not raucous distortion, but a beautiful clean sound. We just happened to get really lucky that it works great for both.
I just want to say thank you guys. It's an absolute pleasure to watch high quality video and audio. We all know that 99% of youtube is just horrible clipped audio. Thanks for doing it right!! Round of applause
Thank you Jim! All analogue right up to the computer... and no plugins!
An amp pairing video is a must. Marshall with matchless, ac30 with fender. Match made in heaven combination or combinations that most people wouldn't think of. Great Video!
I love this video..explains a lot of history between the two amps and their specs..but i really appreciate how you give the clean and volume to point break up a lot of playnwith different guitars..people always just turn marshalls way up in these vids vs really showcasing the dynamic ranges possible..love the zztop at end too
Best video lately, reminds me why I started watching That Pedal Show. Good old fashioned knob turning and going into detail with classic gear. Great watch.
Very cool, I have a 1987x from the 1990's that has been a wonderful amplifier, I highly recommend as it has forever changed my playing for the better.
Great content, Thank You
I’ve been looking forward to this since mentioned on vcq. Thanks guys have a great weekend 🤘🏻
I've plugged into a 1987x before. As a fan of high-gain amps like Bogners, Mesa MKVs and 5150s...the 1987 felt like I was plugging into a screaming thermonuclear device capable of killing any small creature within a 5 mile radius. It's such an empowering, joyous, hilarious feeling and everybody needs to do it at least once.
Also, good GOD that SG again is the absolute show-stealer.
Great as always, guys. That JTM blew me away with it's cleans.
This is the video I've been waiting for! Thank you!
The pure joy on Dan’s face when he plays is so heartwarming. Love you guys!
Great video and great showcase how Marshalls thru the years are very different, but also still Marshalls.
The JTM45 has couple of sweet spots that were just briliant. Gunned with reverb and Les Paul? Thats my dream Blues sound
I had a JTM45 made for me recently in LA by one of the greats, and as much as I am a die hard Fender guy, this amp quickly shot up to my number one. The weight of the transients on the nearest edge of breakup are absolutely insane. Massive. I have never felt so connected to an amp when I play, it's quite something to behold.
That wind through the trees buy off is still on the board? lol
@@jbf16falcon wait what?
@dwaynedelario I concur. While my daily driver is a Fender HRD III, my friend built me a JTM45 two years ago, and it's a brilliant sounding, percussive amp. I had mine built with a Metro Zero Loss effects loop. It loves a good fuzz in front of it, and it is stinking loud for 30 watts. It's a beautiful build for sure, and I smile whenever I plug into it. Funny it's just a Bassman with british parts, eh?
My number one amp is a 1962HW..It’s, of course, the combo version of a JTM45 with an added vibrato. It has the KT66 power tubes. The overdriven tones are definitely incredible but it is the clean tones that are truly unbelievable. Some of the best clean tones of any amp I’ve ever heard. Heavenly.
Where can i find one of these JTMs Near Buena Park? Something affordable cause i get most of my needs off a Dual Rectifier
I've watched this video a few times before purchasing my 1987x and 1936v cab and now a deeper dive now I own the head and looking for tips and tricks! Thank you guys soooo much for the information and guidance!!
I want both! Seriously though, Mick sums it up perfectly. They're all different and everything is a result of continued product development, and thank goodness for that or we'd be nowhere and channels like this would zero raison d'etre. Amazing show Leg-ends.
Awesome show! I think clean marshall thing is incredible. Also the room reverb was epic.
Wow Dan! Your clean tone playing was excellent. I was moved. Great playing, sir!
Ah, cheers mate 🙏
Epic upload. Made my Friday a glorious one. Thank you and much love from California. Cheers lads!
: )
These two guys are pure class, thanks for that 😀
Thank you Jack!
Another smashing video! Guys, you are so good at "telling" the things that happen to you that it is always a huge pleasure to listen to you, even if I am Italian and sometimes I lose a few words along the way! 😂 And I often dream of being on stage with one of your Line-Ups or with your pedalboard and simply with a couple of beasts like today! I was lucky enough to try for a couple of times a pair of “real” mid-70s Plexis owned by my luthier, and together, in stereo and cranked up to 2 volume, they shook the whole stage! Luckily it was an outdoor performance! 🤣🤣 But you are absolutely right: the JTMs make you dream, in any situation you want to place them and make you want to always send them to 10! Thank you so much for your dedication, you have been my only reference for at least 6 years! I love you!❤️
JTM45 sounds so freaking good for what I want to hear in an amp and what I'd use it for. A+ guys!
This is a fantastic video, guys! Thank you for demystifying Marshalls!
Those clean tones from the amps are brilliant. The spank sound from the tele just hits the soul
Just to add that JTM with the strat no pedals was the best sound I have ever heard and that is now my sound goal
Awesome video! I had a 1962 Bluesbreaker 2x12 reissue for years that I loved but just became too heavy to lug around to gigs. Years later, I've now picked up a Studio Vintage 20W Head and 1x12 Greenback cab, which I've put KT66s in (the amp is Cathode biased) and it's a lovely half-way house between my old Bluesbreaker and the original 'Plexi' stock tone.
Excellent show Dan and Mick!! 2 Awesome amplifiers that made you both sound spectacular!! I love Marshall amplifiers and you all covered the sonic territories wonderfully. From beautiful clean amp tones to rocking overdriven tones. Dans clean playing with reverb and delay through the JTM 45 was stellar sounding. Mick I always love your tones as well especially with your Strats, your Les paul sounds phenomenal too. Fun episode thank you.
This was so good I didn't want it to end.
Never been much of a Marshall fan as most of their amps was a bit too fizzy for me. My journey "back" to Marshall started a couple of years ago when I bought Victory Sheriff 44 after hearing it on one of your shows. Just liked the way it sounded and still do - it's a kick-ass Marshally-amp without being way-too Marshally. JTM is a completely different beast. I treated myself to it roughly a year ago. Played it, did some due dilligence, checked some of your 1987X videos, heard you mention it more than a few times over the years, checked reviews from some other channels and decided to pull the plug. And the rest is history - it's a spectacularly good amp. Easy to get a fantastic clean sound and that Marshall OD. Works well with pedals, and any guitar I plug into it sounds fab without too much fiddling. And this comes from a Boogie fan - I like Mesa-type fiddling :) Don't care about the "old Marshalls are better" snobism - JTM45 is a kick-a%% good amp. And it's not crazy-expensive, which is a plus. 1987X is just a bit too-Marshally (brash) for me. Although that has its uses, of course :) This video is a perfect description why I like JTM45 so much - it has everything that it needs to have, and it's controllable and user friendly :-)
Loved it, something I wanted to see, thanks fellas! I need a JTM 45!
Awesome vid guys!
I've bought and sold the Marshall Studio Vintage 3 times. Super cool amp but was just always battling trying to tame that bright channel. Got the JTM 45 about a year ago, absolutely love it. I don't even jumper channels because I don't think the high channel is that bright. Had master volume mod put in but rarely use it.
Nice video. Love you, guys!
For my taste, there is no jumping channels. Only High input on 7. That’s pure rock n roll. Just a perfect ACDC tone.
I have the 1987x with all effects in front, plugged into low normal, but jumped. With the bright channel barely on and normal around two-three. Amazing clean sound with headroom and works super with the broadcast and even with a RAT.
Was jamming along with you guys on my Blues Breaker.
It's a sound to love the JTM45
wow you are both such talented players, and after all the detail in that video, I still don't know which one I like better! incredible pair of amps.
Quality content! Loved the details in comparison AND would love to see 1959 in the same way. I think the internet deserves that.
Excellent episode. I have been torn between these two amps for some time. I recently decided to go with a studio vintage. Now I’m back to square one.
I know you've warned us for years that things on YT etc don't sound like they really do but I'm surprised by how much I'm loving the 1987x today. I think I had never heard it and the JTM45 sort of side by side and it's rather wonderful!
Great work. My 1987X reissue gives my JCM800 a run for it's money. Definitely loves pedals in the front of it. EVH brown sound for sure.
I was incredibly lucky to buy a 1966 jtm50t in Wurzburd Germany in 1987. Best amp I've heard to this day.
Wonderful episode, guys 👍!
Great to hear mention of Ken and Dudley, more often than not they don't get their due doff of the cap in such history lessons. Good work sir.
that was brilliant you fellas got some amazingly beautiful sounds outta them things
I know it’s all about Marshall amps today, but I’m enjoying hearing Mick giving the bendy-stick on his Strat some gentle wiggling with some of that reverb. Sounds gorgeous.
Awesome, Lads! Thanks so much. I’ve never owned a Marshall, Laney man myself, but I learned tons from your video (as is usually the case). Cheers!
Another great video discussion with some Les Paul love. Excellent!
28:51 is now my go-to when I need a calming, zen-level of relief from a stressful day... thank you Mick and Dan for that (most of the TPS sessions qualify, btw)
JTM45 for me there. I’ve been a fender amp user for longer than I care to remember, but recently bought a bluesbreaker after being blown away by one at a rehearsal space. Had to have one, despite having written Marshall’s off for being too fizzy and glassy for years. Incredible things. Has relegated my twin to second place.
I’m really impressed with how the both of you put up with the tones. I think it was brave to embrace what clearly was a chore and make it look like you were having fun. A BAFTA is surely on the way 🙃🙃🙃
Mick/Dan…just about time for a new “our guitars” video…brief rundown of each guitar, short story of where it came from and why it’s a keeper! 🙏🏻🤞🏻👍🏻
The JTM45 is what my ears want to hear. Higher gain is always achievable with pedals. Nice video - thanks so much 🙏
I’ve needed this video all my life, just never knew it.
Great historical context, fantastic tones! Thanks for making my Friday evening full of Bletchley’s finest.
Cheers Thorpy! Hope the move is going well geezer!
@@ThatPedalShow great thanks, slowly but surely.
Very nice episode. Both amps sit in a very different space frequency wise and hence can be used for different purposes. I have been using a JTM45 as my main pedal platform amp since some time now and absolutels love it to bits. It has character by itself and takes pedals extremely well. I don't if I really want to thank you, because it kind of wants me to get an 87 for that unapologetic and brutal Marshall in your faceness.
This has to be one of your best videos yet guys. Explained well, played well...oh wait that's the same as all your videos 🥰😎🤘(edit: Thank you Thank you for using a 4x12 cab)
Fantastic video, gents! Extremely interesting re: the 1987x! I owned a '60's JTM45 for a while and it was probably the best amp I have ever owned, despite some of the internals not being original! It still sound EXTREMELY CREAMY!
Could you possibly do a video on the JTM45 as predominantly a pedal platform, and then maybe get Luke Caley (from Press to MECO) in to chat about his JTM45 and how he uses it as a pedal platform?
Looking forward to many more vids about these two brilliant amps! Thanks chaps! 😀
Fantastic video guys, really love the jtm45. I have a Marshall JVM 215C and I am in my 60s and really love my amp. I used to have a JCM800 but it was a one-trick pony. With the JVM 215C, the Clean and Crunch are awesome. Don't use too much drive as it can get fizzy. It is a Great pedal platform using cleaner channels. I play Classic rock and Blues mainly. Cheers from Oz.
Love my JTM45, gorgeous clean and crunch, goose with a Lightspeed, double goose with Revv G3, covers all bases for me. Great vid chaps.
I can only imagine how well the Revv G3 pairs with your JTM. I'm guessing it gets it in the 80's hard rock/metal sound... like George Lynch, John Norum sound.... cheers.
I like these two. Low key and no fluff. Nice playing too. I too thought I'd prefer the JTM, but by the time the 1987 was cranking, it was all over.
This was a fun vid! I’ve got a Metro Amp kit JTM-45 and it breaks up as early as 2. Definitely a better choice for lower volume needs, I’m glad you have one now as it will probably sound better in your setup 👍🏻
My '99 JTM45 reissue breaks up at around 4, which already is a considerable amount of volume, but I need that clean headroom
If using a treble booster IMO it’s best to only play thru the normal channel…. and fantastically tasteful playing by the two of you! Really enjoyed this one.
You guys nailed this! Thank you!
I believe that in the first TPS fuzz episode you used an old jtm45. In a custom case! That is still one of my favourite episodes and sounds ever. One day I will have a 45. Great show gentlemen. B
Slight correction: the 5F6-A Bassman used a 12AY7 in V1, not a 12AT7. That 12AY7 was often swapped for a 12AX7, which increases the gain and sounds closer to a JTM 45. The reissue Bassman ships with a 12AX7 in V1.
Oops. Thanks Lenny. I know this, how did I get that wrong!? Argh!
You guys need a permanent JTM45 in your vids man (especially with that Goldtop). That LP > reverb > JTM45 tone was bliss!
Great video gents! For a real treat, I suggest you try plugging into both top inputs using a Y-cable rather than jumpering, like Duane Allman and Eric Johnson. One must then rethink the amp settings as compared to jumpering. But it sounds heavenly, especially without the bright cap. I find that bright caps have a huge effect on plexi tone, even at very high volume settings. I know the conventional wisdom is that bright caps have almost no effect once you turn up the volume controls. My personal experiments show otherwise. I have a custom made plexi with a 3 way bright cap switch: two flavors of bright caps and total bypass in the center. I can say from experience, even with the volumes near 9, switching in a bright cap really transforms the plexi tone. It increases gain but it adds those shrill ice pick highs. So even cranked, taking out the bright cap profoundly tames the ear-piercing highs in a plexi.
I've had my JTM45 Reissue for 12 years now, and I still love it. Set as you had it as a clean platform (pretty much exactly the same settings), I get everything else from my pedalboards. I was fortunate enough to be able to pair it with a mid 70's Vibroverb in a blues/rock band I played in a few years ago, and what a glorious noise! One day I'd like to pair it with an AC30. Every time I think I need to replace it, I plug it in and remind myself what an awesome amp it is.
Lovely lovely lovely Steve. That’s the shizzle!
Ahh it’s good to have you back in Marshall land gents. Great show 👏
I really enjoyed the history lesson by Mick. I know 5-watt world already does brilliant job in that ecoslot, but you nailed it.
I recently got a Marshall Super Lead Plexi amp, and I'm still learning what it's capable of giving. One of the things one does is isolate each knob in the tone stack, to test the sweep of it's response. I tested the mid knob, so I had the bass and treble set to zero, and when I got the mids knob to 10, I was like holy shit there it is, there's THE hot-rodded Marshall overdrive sound that really defines that amp, proving it's all about the mids. You cut the bass to keep it tight and defined, you roll off the treble to keep it from peeling the skin off your face, and since its shifted to upper mids you still get plenty of clarity on top of punch. Now I'm scouring to get a Celestion greenback and a tubescreamer to spike the mids even further. Love the Marshall filth.
There is something extremely satisfying about Marshall tone, the way it crunches, cleans - for me a desert island amp would be some kind of Marshall for sure. I love all makes, but if I'm pressed to choose this would be a Marshall
Great video! I was eagerly awaiting this. I’ve been using a twin reverb with a JTM45 (wet-dry) for a little while now and loving it. I look forward to seeing/hearing you guys use it to great effect in the future.
Jase, just want to take a minute to feel the love for the phrase “I’ve been using a twin reverb with a JTM45 (wet-dry)”
I mean come on! In 2022 this is important work. Politicians could learn from you. This is basically public service. Thank you. From the bottom of our hearts, THANK YOU
@@ThatPedalShow haha, thank you guys, everything I have learned is through your show! I’m currently doing a service to convert my brother over to analogue pedals (and tempt him away from his nova system) as he has amazing taste in amps, he runs a bluesbreaker and a 1959 SLP plexi in stereo. I don’t know if I’d be much help to the politicians, I’m a shit liar and as transparent as a lightspeed!
Great episode guys!!
Brilliant episode … absolutely brilliant….
love the valve design on your tshirts, love the tones even more! cheers fellas
I’ve rewatched this episode several times for a variety of reasons, but Dan’s face at 34:12…no better marketing for Marshall can be done than his expression right at that moment!!
Marshalls. Finally. :) Great show guys!
Great comparison. Depending on the settings, I liked the tones from
Both. Thanks.
Grandpa is loving the tones!
Greetings D&M from Perth Western Australia.
I’ve been waiting for this and it was brilliant!
I really hope you make a few new clips on this, I was really hoping for a 3hr+ episode 🤣🙏.
Personally I have the KT66 powered 2466 (100w Vintage modern) and a DSL100HR, the difference is really similar to the JTM and 1987 on their slightly crunchy settings for blues and blues rock.
Both of these are my wet amps with a Keeley Eccos & Hydra, my dry amp is a Fender Blues Deluxe or a Rockerverb 50 on clean channel.
You guys always make brilliant stuff I can’t believe the recent content has been of even higher quality, keep it up!
Big love 🤙 😁
My first non practice amp was a Marshall MG100*** head that I had on a 4x4 ampeg cab. That thing was fun. This was circa 2005? two years later I sold it for a Hot Rod Deluxe that was in fantastic condition for a lovely price of $400.
I don’t know if I just have a weirdo amp, if it’s biased differently or if it is just the way it reacts to the ohm rating of its 2x12” Greenbacks but my Marshall Bluesbreaker is the loudest clean pedal platform I’ve ever owned. Mine stays clean until around noon, where it is so loud I’d have to leave it in the car to stay welcomed in my band. My last bar gig I ran my board into the low gain input on the normal channel, treble and mids on 6, bass and pres on 4 and volume on about 1.5! Headroom for days and my Protein Pedal sounded enormous! Best tone I’ve ever had. It’s only about 4-5 years old, so maybe they are doing something different, but I love it. It uses 5881 power tubes. I play humbucker guitars (Les Paul, Firebird, ES335). Thanks guys, love this show!
ok its 230 in the morning here in North NJ USA, just got home from a killer club gig with my 10 piece wedding band that I am so fortunate to play in, loving this video..finally decided to take a gander at the pedal show store website since its been a couple years..wow im speechless as to how HUGE u guys have become....how far u guys have come and what u do for the guitar community is just so amazing and so down right necessary ..i have been following and been a fan since the closest thing to TPS was Dans tone tips (i think that was the name) blog on the old Gig Rig site, im talking before Dan was posting solo vids on youtube with his Lazy J 20...which was before Dan and Mic on the old Gig Rig youtube channel. thank u guys for being u and for doing what u do for us!!! and with such talent and class too
Thanks so much Art. Hope the gig was great!
@@ThatPedalShow Art? Haha thanx guys! -Mike
Johan Segeborn did a demo years ago of the current vs old JTM45 Bluesbreaker. The old speakers were 95% of the difference if I remember correctly. I need to go watch it now. Loved this video!
The “Bluesbreaker” moniker refers only to the 2x12 combo Clapton used on Beano. Not all JTM45.
I rewatched the video now for the 3rd time. I own a handwired Linnemann M45 with KT66 and the clean tone of this thing takes your head of. There is so much more headroom than the JTM45 has. If someone ever gets the chance playing a Linnemann then go for it!
Dan's 'indulgement' solo ...very nice!
Both great amps, but I’ll take the 1987 any day of the week. Why? It has something no other amp has (let’s call it “Marshallness”), whereas the JTM45 is… well, a beefed up Fender. Great playing gentlemen, thank you for that! 👍👏👏👏
Really nice video. Older style amps really are expressive. I find that those older amps with the 2 volumes (high and low volumes) really only need a global tone afterwards when jumpered. Very minimal but extremely dynamic straight with a guitar of choice, cab/speaker(s) of choice and the ability or environment to be able to get the amp purring.
Cheers!
Great videos chaps. Always wondered which way I'd go with this choice. I've had for a while the Marshall origin 20 its a great amp its bloody loud for 20 watts but I'm not needing an OX or attenuation.
This video sets the gold standard for amp A-B shootouts.
JTM45 is the sound of that classic blues/rock we heard from the 60s and 1987x is the sound of the rock and hard rock we heard in a tons of LP's. Both are THAT sound.
Mine is a custom JTM45 and I love it!
I have a JTM 45 reissue from the late 1980s. It was converted to EL34s and a solid state rectifier by the previous owner. I think it sounds fantastic and a few of my guitarist mates lust after it. I was told by the tech that services my amp that these amps are actually only 30 watts. That might account for the disparity in volume with the 50 watt 1987s.
I have a 1979 2204 and I use a ds1 infront and keep the pedal fairly low gain just to add a tad bit to what the amp already does. Sounds awesome. That p90 sings!!