Indy Cars At Daytona: The Most Dangerous Race

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  • Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
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    In April 1959, Indy Cars raced at Daytona International Speedway. The high speeds were like nothing ever seen before. At the time, the 100 mile race was the fastest auto race ever run.
    But safety was far behind the speeds. Cars built to race on dirt were entered and pole-sitter Dick Rathmann raced wearing a short-sleeve shirt. With 1950s engineering unable to match the high-speeds, the race was incredibly dangerous and Indy Cars never returned to Daytona.

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  • @Zoomer30
    @Zoomer30 5 років тому +822

    Safest track in the world.
    With a highway guardrail as a wall.

    • @minigungaming5915
      @minigungaming5915 5 років тому +120

      1959 for ya

    • @KK-ex5zu
      @KK-ex5zu 5 років тому +66

      For the 1950's, a guardrail at that time was a safer barrier compared to a concrete wall. For the drivers that is not the spectators.

    • @MateusHenrique-of4bc
      @MateusHenrique-of4bc 5 років тому +9

      Lucky nobody Lost in neck Head in Daytona

    • @SwingAxleLover
      @SwingAxleLover 5 років тому +40

      For most road racing tracks then, the best barriers were hay bails. Otherwise, you had trees to look forward to hitting. Or barb wire fences in the case of Spa-Francorchamps or rows of bushes at the Nurburgring.

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 5 років тому +13

      In 1961 . Lee Petty went up and over the guard rail during a NASCAR race.

  • @MrMusicfan678
    @MrMusicfan678 5 років тому +619

    You know it was scary when A.J. Foyt said it scared the Hell outta him.

    • @conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059
      @conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059 5 років тому +28

      Yeah that's such a good point. He really was the racecar drivers, driver. Meaning all racecar drivers looked at him as the true, no fear, peddle to the metal guy

    • @therrydicule
      @therrydicule 5 років тому +10

      @@conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059
      Every racecar drivers with a long career have fears.

    • @robtorres_racing
      @robtorres_racing 5 років тому +6

      Gotta have a little bit of fear, it’s part of what keeps you on the track.

    • @XX-eh2ke
      @XX-eh2ke 5 років тому +5

      Who the hell was this Foyt guy? Did he ever do anything in racing?

    • @MrMusicfan678
      @MrMusicfan678 5 років тому +3

      @@XX-eh2ke 😂

  • @Assassin-eh3du
    @Assassin-eh3du 5 років тому +442

    If A.J. Foyt was scared then you know its about as worse as it could get

    • @edgarbeers7475
      @edgarbeers7475 5 років тому +33

      Wow ! 25 mph faster than Indy. That's crazy. You think they would have looked at this race before running at Vegas. Indy cars and high banks do not work. Weldon might still be alive.

    • @theflagstand
      @theflagstand 5 років тому +15

      @@edgarbeers7475 In Wheldon case more troublesome was the pack racing nature of the high banked ovals than the concept itself.

    • @NortonSwankyPants
      @NortonSwankyPants 5 років тому +4

      You know what I don't get is how are the Indycar Drivers feel fatigued going 180 MPH when NASCAR goes close to 200 MPH in a pack, someone please explain, this really interests me.

    • @theflagstand
      @theflagstand 5 років тому +20

      @@NortonSwankyPants Note that this was way back in 1959. NASCAR didn't go 200mph in 1959. And overall 180mph was an incredible speed figure back then. Nowadays Indycars average more than 220mph in Indianapolis.

    • @NortonSwankyPants
      @NortonSwankyPants 5 років тому +1

      @@theflagstand True, but still doesnt explain the Fatigue the drivers got
      maybe its from the banking? and thats why they can go fast without feeling fatigued on Indianapolis?

  • @95bochamp
    @95bochamp 5 років тому +144

    I have been following NASCAR, USAC, F1, etc. for almost 50 years, and I never knew that this type of race had been run at Daytona.

    • @Jacob-sy9et
      @Jacob-sy9et 3 роки тому +1

      Who won the 1979 f1 drivers and team’s championship

    • @alannewman4818
      @alannewman4818 3 роки тому +3

      @@Jacob-sy9et Ferrari, Jody..

    • @Jacob-sy9et
      @Jacob-sy9et 3 роки тому +1

      @@alannewman4818 correct

    • @TherealLorinser
      @TherealLorinser 3 роки тому +2

      @@Jacob-sy9et it should be Gilles Villeneuve but he has alot of bad luck in that time specially Zanvoort 1979 punctured tires thus broken suspension after running back to the pits and so on and it gaves Jody Scheckter a chance to fight back and took the 1979 World championship title.

    • @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee
      @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee 2 роки тому

      @@Jacob-sy9et
      1950-Guiseppe Farina
      1951-Juan Manuel Fangio
      1952-Alberto Ascari
      1953-Alberto Ascari
      1954-Juan Manuel Fangio
      1955-Juan Manuel Fangio
      1956-Juan Manuel Fangio
      1957-Juan Manuel Fangio
      1958-Mike Hawthorn
      1959-Jack Brabham
      1960-Jack Brabham
      1961-Phil Hill
      1962-Graham Hill
      1963-Jim Clark
      1964-John Surtees
      1965-Jim Clark
      1966-Jack Brabham
      1967-Denny Hulme
      1968-Graham Hill
      1969-Jackie Stewart
      1970-Jochen Rindt
      1971-Jackie Stewart
      1972-Emerson Fittipaldi
      1973-Jackie Stewart
      1974-Emerson Fittipaldi
      1975-Niki Lauda
      1976-James Hunt
      1977-Niki Lauda
      1978-Mario Andretti
      1979-Jody Scheckter
      1980-Alan Jones
      1981-Nelson Piquet
      1982-Keke Rosberg
      1983-Nelson Piquet
      1984-Niki Lauda
      1985-Alain Prost
      1986-Alain Prost
      1987-Nelson Piquet
      1988-Ayrton Senna
      1989-Alain Prost
      1990-Ayrton Senna
      1991-Ayrton Senna
      1992-Nigel Mansell
      1993-Alain Prost
      1994-Michael Schumacher
      1995-Michael Schumacher
      1996-Damon Hill
      1997-Jacques Villenuve
      1998-Mika Häkkinen
      1999-Mika Häkkinen
      2000-Michael Schumacher
      2001-Michael Schumacher
      2002-Michael Schumacher
      2003-Michael Schumacher
      2004-Michael Schumacher
      2005-Fernando Alonso
      2006-Fernando Alonso
      2007-Kimi Räikkönen
      2008-Lewis Hamilton
      2009-Jenson Button
      2010-Sebastian Vettel
      2011-Sebastian Vettel
      2012-Sebastian Vettel
      2013-Sebastian Vettel
      2014-Lewis Hamilton
      2015-Lewis Hamilton
      2016-Nico Rosberg
      2017-Lewis Hamilton
      2018-Lewis Hamilton
      2019-Lewis Hamilton
      2020-Lewis Hamilton

  • @505197
    @505197 5 років тому +54

    I worked for Bill Cheesbourg in Tucson Arizona at his VW and Porsche shop. I did some crew work on his late model dirt car. He raced well into his 60s, and was a real man's man. He was a big tall strong guy, very quiet and kind of menacing. I wasn't aware he raced this race. He really didn't talk much about his USAC days. He's a man that has always stuck in my memory, RIP Bill.

    • @zayn659
      @zayn659 11 місяців тому

      Damn grandpa

  • @philabronc4667
    @philabronc4667 5 років тому +97

    Maybe if IndyCar had watched this video in 2011, they wouldn't have run in Vegas and Wheldon would still be alive.

    • @mvd4436
      @mvd4436 3 роки тому +13

      Yeah but a halo would have saved him. Most indy deaths were due to no roof

    • @simoneburini4036
      @simoneburini4036 3 роки тому +1

      @@mvd4436 didn't the rollbar collapse?

    • @mvd4436
      @mvd4436 3 роки тому +22

      @@simoneburini4036 I don't think it did. His head got hit by a catch fence pole. If there was a halo, his head would not be exposed to the pole

    • @precesionnoreaster1507
      @precesionnoreaster1507 2 роки тому +5

      @@mvd4436 i think the fence went through the tub too,not saying the aerkscreen wouldnt helo but i think Dan was a goner, to give indycar some credit they ran at high bank cookie cutters for years

    • @bobbymartin4446
      @bobbymartin4446 2 роки тому +6

      I knew we had lost another great one when I saw that crash because he went flying into the catch fence cockpit first !! That's probably the only thing that saved Austin Dillon in that bad wreck at Daytona, he flew over those cars into the catch fence but wheels first !!!
      Of course they all know the risk they're taking when they get into the cockpit !! There's been a lot of great drivers lost over the years & may they all R.I.P.!!!🏁

  • @JeromeG1956
    @JeromeG1956 5 років тому +343

    If it was this bad at Daytona, they'll never even try Talladega.....

    • @tymcfadden8496
      @tymcfadden8496 5 років тому +42

      it almost happened back in 1980 during the USAC/ CART split. it was on the USAC schedule but never run. "IndyCar to Race at Talladega" - racing-reference.info
      www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=2324
      The story of Indy Cars at Talladega begins when a group of car owners in USAC decide to leave the series in late 1978 and start a new one. Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART) was born. Right from the start, NASCAR sided itself with USAC.

    • @therrydicule
      @therrydicule 5 років тому +3

      @@tymcfadden8496
      But in that period, there been a race with indycar and silver crown at Pocono... So...

    • @therrydicule
      @therrydicule 5 років тому +6

      @@tymcfadden8496
      But it probably can be done...
      Here's the thing: Indycar already play with turbo pressure going to 750 hp to 550 hp.
      Nascar was safe at indy with 900 hp, and talks about 450hp at Talladega.
      I guess at 300 hp indycar can run at Talladega, but what would be the point of that?

    • @tymcfadden8496
      @tymcfadden8496 5 років тому +12

      @@therrydicule Pocono was originally built for indy cars. they raced there for several years until the harsh winters tore the track up so badly that they couldn't run there anymore. they finally fixed it and now they run there again.

    • @davidmeyers3549
      @davidmeyers3549 5 років тому +7

      I had a crazy thought. Put F1 cars at Talladega.

  • @STICKGUYMB
    @STICKGUYMB 5 років тому +165

    Wow... didnt know they did this.
    Also didnt know that's how the July Daytona race came to be

    • @Nemofishman
      @Nemofishman 5 років тому +7

      Though it will be in August next year lol.

    • @LowQualityGamer
      @LowQualityGamer 5 років тому +2

      Kuku h Yup they put Indianapolis in its place lol... kinda funny how we've sort of gone full circle

  • @MikeBrown-ex9nh
    @MikeBrown-ex9nh 5 років тому +36

    Those speeds on skinny tires is insane. This also highlighted the importance of safer barriers.

    • @danooc1
      @danooc1 9 місяців тому

      Ask Cevert and Koinig how safe those barriers were.

  • @BigAl2-u7e
    @BigAl2-u7e 5 років тому +46

    Imagine how terrifying it would be to have your car just lose control at 190+ mph as you see the wall getting closer and closer.

  • @tfarm7015
    @tfarm7015 5 років тому +29

    These 50’s Indy drivers ate nails for breakfast

    • @DevinEMILE
      @DevinEMILE 5 років тому +4

      Tom Farmer both Indy and Formula 1

    • @kblakey55
      @kblakey55 4 роки тому +7

      Without any milk

  • @richardmourdock2719
    @richardmourdock2719 5 років тому +71

    in addition to the "angle between the track and the shoulder

  • @onemoremisfit
    @onemoremisfit 5 років тому +52

    I've met barfly drivers who had a trophy case full of DUIs, but if you picked up a DUI on the track at Daytona it would be worth commemorating.

  • @ICKY427
    @ICKY427 5 років тому +23

    "they told me to bring it in hot, so i did" hahaha!

  • @stevenbuis4490
    @stevenbuis4490 5 років тому +9

    I was at that race. My dad took me for my 11 th birthday. We were a USAC family that had moved to south Fl. from Indy. No way we were going to miss it. I have had good and bad memories of that day.

  • @dayandsauce
    @dayandsauce 5 років тому +83

    Project cars: hold my beer

    • @sgtpepper6379
      @sgtpepper6379 5 років тому +6

      Lol right? Constantly doing 240+ in modern Indycars in that game.

  • @davidparker8221
    @davidparker8221 5 років тому +11

    I've only ever heard someone like Robin Miller or Dave DeSpain mention this event but until now never heard its history detailed, and it was detailed thoughtfully. Thank you. The dimensions of an IndyCar have changed dramatically since, and safety in racing (but especially IndyCar) has improved lightyears. It it is an intriguing idea to race a DW 12, or is it a DW 19, on the track. But it is not to be taken lightly in light of this history. Beautifully told.

  • @supremeleadergnkdroid3202
    @supremeleadergnkdroid3202 4 роки тому +17

    It takes a special kind of man to want to participate in the race immediately after a driver just died in a crash

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed 4 роки тому +3

      @SupremeLeader GNKdroid - Imagine what it took to continue running in the 1955 24 hrs. of Le Mans after a driver, and over 80 spectators were killed! Hard to comprehend.

    • @sillygoose2508
      @sillygoose2508 3 роки тому +3

      That was a regular occurrence on any given short track back then

  • @ttomkatt1
    @ttomkatt1 5 років тому +5

    Excellent. This is the best of the old IndyCar videos I've ever watched. Hard to imagine most of this video took place 60 years ago.

  • @jasonkent3658
    @jasonkent3658 5 років тому +25

    The definition of racing speed danger with those skinny tires

  • @isserkamajaya9625
    @isserkamajaya9625 5 років тому +10

    Dude, your videos production value are astounding. So glad to find this channel, keep up the good work.

  • @pens87668
    @pens87668 5 років тому +10

    This was really neat, and I can’t imagine being in an open cockpit with no real coverage. Just way too dangerous!

  • @MegaMr46
    @MegaMr46 5 років тому +21

    Thank god it’s not happening again because we don’t need more deaths in Today’s IndyCar Series

  • @tv8sdie-casts500
    @tv8sdie-casts500 5 років тому +25

    After watching Griffdawg's NR2003 short about Indycars at Talladega...
    Now I know why we can't have Indycars at both Talladega and Daytona.

    • @Med_41
      @Med_41 3 роки тому

      Indycars at the Daytona rc

  • @mikerodrigues2906
    @mikerodrigues2906 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you for putting this on you tube I'm always looking for history of racing

  • @seigelno7
    @seigelno7 5 років тому +40

    Thanks for posting this. This is the best collection of photos of the Daytona Indycar event that I've seen. The color photo at 11:31 is priceless.

  • @judsononeil807
    @judsononeil807 5 років тому +35

    Awesome video dude! Your content is awesome!

  • @pulaski1
    @pulaski1 5 років тому +11

    By the 1990's Penske cars were lapping Fontana at over 240mph!
    I think around 2007 Rusty Wallace took a stock car to Talladega for a test of radio equipment, but before they left the track Rusty ran a few "hot" laps in the car that did not have a restrictor plate. Without much work done to set up the car for extremely high speed he was able to run around 230mph. Rusty said afterwards that given time to test and set up the car he thought that a stock car could lap Talladega at 250mph.
    Indy cars ran at Charlotte in 1999 - killing three spectators at Charlotte when a wreck launched a wheel into the crowd, and at Texas (Fort Worth) in 2001, well a race was scheduled, but was cancelled after practice after drivers suffered dizziness because of the high speeds and steep banking. In short Indy cars don't belong on steep-banked tracks built for NASCAR races.

    • @shawnbeck2303
      @shawnbeck2303 5 років тому +1

      Bull Shit! Indy cars at Talladega! Awesome. Let's do it! 33 cars all out! Balls to the wall! I would pay to see it live on E.S.P.N. Shawn

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Рік тому

      @@shawnbeck2303 Alright, but you gotta drive one.

  • @jeffreyevens2033
    @jeffreyevens2033 2 роки тому +2

    I wondered why they never raced open wheeled Indy cars @ Daytona. Today I found that they did and why they do not anymore. Thanks for the historical racing video!

  • @MikeM275
    @MikeM275 5 років тому +3

    ART MALONE! In 1961 claimed Bill France's prize of running over 180 mph at Daytona. Who was Art Malone? Good friend and driver for "Big Daddy" Don Garlits in his Top Fuel dragsters! He not only set this record in '59 at Daytona, he also raced in the Indy 500 (best finish 11th) and was a hell of a drag racer....setting the Top Fuel record in '59 @183 MPH and winning the AHRA world championship. Of all the drivers...Indy, Nascar, Drag racing....Art Malone was at the time the most versatile and skillful, able to drive literally anything to championships and records. Art was, in the end, known mostly to the drag racing world...as a driver and friend of Big Daddy... I am proud to say I saw him race many years ago....

  • @ted356
    @ted356 4 місяці тому

    Another great video. Love the quality of your work, really excellent histories.

  • @joesantos3947
    @joesantos3947 4 роки тому +1

    During this lockdown I am able to soak up as much as I can on racing as it was over there in the US. Watched a few of your offerings. Smiley who I watched racing over here in the UK, USAC/CART split etc.... Just wanna say thanks for putting these together.Nicely done and more than informative.

  • @ariansmovies
    @ariansmovies 5 років тому +3

    That was way awesome to watch. Thanks for doing this.

  • @castlebravo1467
    @castlebravo1467 5 років тому +6

    To me it looks like the banking, speeds and tire technology: They were way in over their heads at this race.

  • @2098elk
    @2098elk 5 років тому +4

    Thanks for providing some history that I wasn't aware of. Great video.

  • @cmderinchief
    @cmderinchief 5 років тому +2

    I've always wondered about this. Very informative. Thanks!

  • @jcford33
    @jcford33 5 років тому +7

    Those cars looked absolutely awesome on the high banks!

  • @budspaulding7121
    @budspaulding7121 5 років тому +1

    Great bir of history here, I was vaguely aware of this event, this is the best information I seen. Thanx for posting

  • @SeinenNinja
    @SeinenNinja 5 років тому +6

    Great video! I always wondered why IndyCar didn't do races in Daytona while NASCAR had races in Indy. Also didn't know that the Firecracker race started because of a cancellation.

    • @finscreenname
      @finscreenname 5 років тому +1

      Well being they both are owned by the same family I'm sure it didn't take much arm twisting to make it happen.

  • @martyisabeliever
    @martyisabeliever 5 років тому +9

    The Guard rail design was the killer...

    • @AndrewScott1337
      @AndrewScott1337 3 роки тому +1

      when they built Daytona the owners probably just hired “Bob’s contracting“ or some shit to build the safety rails Lol

  • @BaronOBeefDip
    @BaronOBeefDip 5 років тому +1

    Great video! Would love to see you do more series

  • @donniedevine2860
    @donniedevine2860 5 років тому +1

    The way that the INDY car's are built today, it would be a GREAT race to go see.
    Just like a TRIPLE row start for ALL of the NASCAR Series races.

  • @everchevy
    @everchevy 5 років тому +2

    Quite informative. Never knew they raced Indy cars on Daytona.

  • @LogNotching
    @LogNotching 5 років тому +4

    Educational and well presented. 5-Star. I took pictures of the Sumar Specials (and others) that year at Indy.

  • @505197
    @505197 5 років тому +2

    I see Bill Cheesbourg ran this race, qualifying 12th. I worked for Bill in Tucson Arizona. If there was ANYONE unafraid of the track it would have been Big Bill. Bill was a man's man.

  • @saleemwaheed9956
    @saleemwaheed9956 5 років тому +2

    Great video! Great history! Indy roadsters were the coolest machines! The F1 cars of the era couldn't compete! Long live USAC!

  • @wzpu3283
    @wzpu3283 4 роки тому +4

    Much respect to the late Mr. Teague and Mr. Amick.

  • @georgiabandit1321
    @georgiabandit1321 Рік тому

    Daytona has years of history amazing video. Thanks 👍.

  • @oU-vh8ft
    @oU-vh8ft 4 роки тому +2

    Amazing job on this!

  • @Trainlover1995
    @Trainlover1995 5 років тому +9

    If it was dangerous back then, an IndyCar race at Daytona today would be a bloodbath.

    • @REALjohnmosesbrowning
      @REALjohnmosesbrowning 4 роки тому +2

      Id rather lose it in one of the new ones. Those things have crumple zones and airbags; these old indycars are turbocharged flying bathtubs. You stuff one of those and you're done.

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed 4 роки тому +4

      @John Moses Browning - Air bags? In an Indy car? I don't think so.

    • @Trainlover1995
      @Trainlover1995 Рік тому

      @@LoulovesspeedThey don’t put airbags in race cars. They’re dead weight.

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed Рік тому +1

      @@Trainlover1995 - I am well aware of that! I didn't say that they did, it was JMB7416 above. My reply to him was I don't think so. You need to read more carefully before making stupid replies!

  • @aeromedical6750
    @aeromedical6750 4 роки тому +1

    They tried racing Indy cars at the Texas Motor Speedway. It’s not banked anywhere close to Daytona. The drivers were complaining of vertigo- like symptoms after just a few laps. These tracks are not designed for IRL type cars.

  • @MrChristopherHaas
    @MrChristopherHaas 5 років тому +2

    WOW! Great post, thanks. I had no idea.Im stunned that noone showed up or filmed anything what with the speeds and all

    • @nascarmanHistory
      @nascarmanHistory  5 років тому +4

      That's what I'm surprised about too. Even the first Daytona 500 had camera crews. But this race didn't?

    • @MrChristopherHaas
      @MrChristopherHaas 5 років тому +1

      Just bought the NASCAR record book, all race finishes listed. If ya ever needto know anything...

  • @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee
    @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee 2 роки тому +2

    Those things were completely solid, they never folded like modern cars do when they crash to absorb most of the impact and that mean the drivers took 100% of the impact. Brave men they were to even dare to race a death trap and +170mph

    • @precesionnoreaster1507
      @precesionnoreaster1507 2 роки тому +1

      This was deadly but think of the fear you had barreling down the bumpy brick jusseling the wheel of a roadster into turn 1

    • @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee
      @Monkemonkemonkemonkemonkee 2 роки тому

      @@precesionnoreaster1507 yep, that must’ve been horrifying

  • @johnvandeventer8668
    @johnvandeventer8668 5 років тому +41

    So that's what started the Coke Zero sugar 400

    • @jamesleathers5488
      @jamesleathers5488 5 років тому +6

      Good one, it just doesn't have the same ring as "Firecracker 400" for sure.

    • @leeduke9518
      @leeduke9518 4 роки тому +1

      John Vandeventer the MLB baseball fan 2019 the what

  • @altfactor
    @altfactor 2 роки тому +1

    Jim Rathman also owned Chevrolet dealers in Cocoa Beach, Florida (near Cape Canaveral) and later, near Houston.
    His steadiest clients were astronauts.
    Of the Mercury7, John Glenn suppose bought a station wagon from Rathman, but the other six all purchased Corvettes.

  • @geneharrison6493
    @geneharrison6493 Рік тому +1

    The final bit mentions the 2009 reunion. Too bad this does not show the presence of the #16 Simoniz Spl that Jim Rathmann won both races with in 1959. Yes, he was present at the reunion but did not drive.

  • @bloqk16
    @bloqk16 3 роки тому

    @9:07 the sub-headline wrote of driver Bob Veith. I recall he gave a school assembly talk at my high school in the late 1960s; as he was, I believe, working for Champion Spark Plugs for a safety driving program for teens. I recall he briefly mentioned in his talk about this race he was in, with speeds approaching a remarkable 170 mph, where a lap belt saved his life in a crash on that track.
    Veith may have mentioned about that as his way to illustrate the importance of wearing the seat belt in a passenger car.

  • @KK-ex5zu
    @KK-ex5zu 5 років тому +4

    I never knew USAC Indy raced at Daytona back in '59. Thanks for the video very education to all people and their individual racing tastes. I know I'm paraphrasing this one quote but it goes, if you lose it here "Daytona" your ass is a grape". That about sums up Indy's one shot at Daytona back in the day.

  • @HODIUSDUDE
    @HODIUSDUDE 5 років тому +2

    Nice work!

  • @noblemanuel7411
    @noblemanuel7411 5 років тому +1

    That was wonderfully done !

  • @Fadedecho1
    @Fadedecho1 4 роки тому +1

    Wow awesome information. I been loving racing for some time now. I'm not all that knowledgeable about specs but try to learn. I do know this here is absolutely speed. And pretty dangerous looking. As drivers are saying as well. Pretty crazed really serious driving necessary. Tysm for sharing

  • @stevefowler2112
    @stevefowler2112 3 роки тому +1

    The Rathman's were long time owners of a big Pontiac dealership in downtown Orlando...in the 60's/70's it had a big neon Indian Chief's head (Pontiac's symbol back in the day) in front of the dealership that was a real mainstay in Orlando. I bought a Trans-am from them in the early 80's...by then I think the dealership ownership may have changed hands but was still on the same famous footprint.

  • @fintanoclery2698
    @fintanoclery2698 5 років тому +1

    What am excellent channel, keep up the great work.

  • @racermac1988
    @racermac1988 3 роки тому

    Fun USAC History...
    The "SUMAR Special" is still honored with the running (not in 2021) of the " Sumar Classic" at Terre Haute, Indiana for Silver Crown.
    Pat O'Connor has a memorial race as well, alongside Joe James namesake for an annual Open Wheel show held at Salem, Indiana.

  • @driverslqqk7940
    @driverslqqk7940 5 років тому +1

    Excellent video I had not realized this about Daytona and the Indy cars and the crashes and killed drivers in the very beginning of Daytona's sordid history of Fame and Glory buy achieving victory as the most recognized track in the world the Daytona Speedway

  • @jasongriff8683
    @jasongriff8683 5 років тому +1

    Awesome video man

  • @Raptorman0909
    @Raptorman0909 5 років тому +16

    A modern F1 or Indy car would put too much g-force on the drivers owing to the combination of banking and aero downforce. They'd be pushing 8+ g's which is possible in a fighter plane when the forces work from top-to-bottom, but when the forces are lateral and continue for most of the lap and then for many laps, the risk of blacking out is too high. If the actual NASCAR's didn't run restrictor plates they'd be hitting 220mph+ which is dangerous enough with 20 cars for 200 miles, but when you have 40+ cars and 500 miles the end result would be death pretty much every race.

    • @nityking1
      @nityking1 5 років тому

      would be more fun to watch

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 5 років тому

      Unfortunately, you can't do the trick roller coasters do to avoid blackouts. They intersperse high-G turns with sharp hills, producing negative G's which force blood back into the brain.

    • @beachcottage3740
      @beachcottage3740 5 років тому

      @@alaeriia01 Why not? That'd be cool!

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 5 років тому

      @@beachcottage3740 you'd need a crapload of downforce to avoid cars going airborne. Unlike roller coasters, F1 cars aren't locked to the track.

    • @beachcottage3740
      @beachcottage3740 5 років тому +1

      @@alaeriia01 Not locked to the track? Are you sure? Why am I always the last to hear?!

  • @kevintucker3354
    @kevintucker3354 4 роки тому +4

    I can only imagine what that little screaming Offy 4 cylinder engine sounded like in Teague’s car at 171 miles an hour!

  • @endgamerplays
    @endgamerplays Рік тому +1

    This feels like it was made 12 years ago, not 3 years ago.

  • @FrankBakulov
    @FrankBakulov 2 роки тому

    Terrific stuff, thanks a lot

  • @finscreenname
    @finscreenname 5 років тому +3

    It still shocks me how long it took open wheel, open cockpit cars that raced around other cars didn't have a roll bar.

  • @markymark9516
    @markymark9516 Рік тому

    Idk if you knowingly do this, but you sound like the announcers from back in the day who did recaps on things like this just as you are with historic events. I really appreciate that, and hopefully the bad quality mic was part of all of it hahaha

  • @aliassmithandjones9453
    @aliassmithandjones9453 4 роки тому +2

    high speeds + crap tires = recipe for disaster

  • @itsmebatman
    @itsmebatman Рік тому

    It never ceases to amaze me how crazy racing was in the past. The risks they would take are so totally unimaginable nowadays. Some call them heros, while I think they were maniacs.

  • @wf1g
    @wf1g 5 років тому +1

    Amazing. Thank you.

  • @Heavywall70
    @Heavywall70 4 роки тому +4

    Back when the IRL ran I went to the Charlotte race the year before the crash that killed spectators.
    On a 1&1/2 mile track they averaged over 200mph during the race with laps between 20 & 21 seconds
    Having only seen nascar there prior those speeds blew my mind
    The following year I might a night shift job and missed the race the claimed the lives of fans
    In my opinion, Indy cars need to stay off of high banks
    They’re insanely fast and when it goes south it goes WAY south
    Also see the Michigan crash of Adrian Fernandez that led to wheel tethers in CART

  • @michaelmonnat5654
    @michaelmonnat5654 Рік тому +1

    I think these conversations are interesting seeing as though they ran Indy type cars on board tracks all over the United Stated States with banking of close to 50 degrees back in the 1920's for the most part. I think I read somewhere that the Talladega banking was 36 degrees and Daytona even less than that. There was a place in New Jersey called the Nutley Velodrome which was the last of the board tracks whose banking was 37 degrees and they ran open cockpit Midgets there for a couple of years and was 1/6 of a mile in length. There are a couple of videos here that depict a couple of those races.

  • @rodneycaupp5962
    @rodneycaupp5962 4 роки тому +1

    I saw Indy Driver Hero Matsushita break the unofficial track record at Indy. I don't recall the year, but a few hundred yards after crossing the Start/ Finish line, and setting the record, Matsushita's car spun when the car in front of him broke a radiator hose. Matsushita had entered the turn at over 241 mph. On the slick engine coolant laid down in front of his car, he went straight into the turn 1 wall. Given his many injuries he was lucky to survive. His track record stands to this day, 3 decades after the record was set, at 241+ MPH. I don't know if they'll ever let Indy Cars run that fast again at INDY. Given that AJ Foyt was first to win 4 races at Indy, and no one has beaten that record, AJ Remains KING of INDY CAR RACING.

  • @FMecha
    @FMecha 4 роки тому +1

    There must've someone running a Formula Gran Turismo on Daytona in the GT5/GT6 days. (Hell, they even ran a race in Blue Moon Bay Speedway, a fictional oval based on Pocono, on Japanese Super Formula cars for an esports event).

  • @cbspock1701
    @cbspock1701 3 роки тому

    Fascinating I had no idea they raced Indy cars at Daytona

  • @skipthomas7958
    @skipthomas7958 4 роки тому +2

    That was a Pretty awesome video ...

  • @gaffneyrailroading1982
    @gaffneyrailroading1982 4 роки тому +26

    "The fastest track in the world!" Until 1969 when Talladega opened. 2.66 miles long, 33 degree banks. The track itself is 12 feet wider.

    • @prevost8686
      @prevost8686 4 роки тому +2

      I think a Porsche turned a lap there at about 240 mph.

    • @FOH3663
      @FOH3663 4 роки тому +7

      @@prevost8686
      I've always been fascinated by these "closed course" records.
      I remember Rusty Wallace in a Penske prepped Cup car, without a restrictor plate, lapped Talladega at 216 mph.
      Gil de Ferran got the pole at over 241 mph for a CART race at Fontana.
      Mark Donahue lapped at over 221mph in the powerful Porsche 917 CanAm at Talladega.
      Best of all, I believe AJ Foyt still has the "closed course" record at over 257mph on the Firestone test track in Texas, driving an experimental aero smooth body adapted to an IndyCar chassis, designed and sponsored by Oldsmobile.

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed 4 роки тому +1

      @Wayne Swicegood - Mark Donohue - 1975 ran 221 average and 241 top speed in a Porsche 917-30 Can Am car.

    • @2themoon863
      @2themoon863 3 роки тому +1

      But wasn’t that at Texas World Speedway (College Station TX, not the track near Fort Worth)?

    • @scottt3100
      @scottt3100 3 роки тому

      @@2themoon863 yes

  • @jackkazee4629
    @jackkazee4629 5 років тому +4

    14:24 "Wreckless" driving. The best kind of driving.

  • @davejohnson9882
    @davejohnson9882 5 років тому +2

    Thank you for sharing this video. Two thumbs up!

  • @sethmoyer
    @sethmoyer 5 років тому +5

    It might have been reckless driving, but it definitely wasn't wreckless driving. ;)

  • @thorneilhaugen9211
    @thorneilhaugen9211 5 років тому +18

    Read the book "The Limit: Life and Death on the 1961 Grand Prix Circuit" by Michael Cannell to understand the Cavalier attitude towards the lives of the drivers.

    • @DevinEMILE
      @DevinEMILE 4 роки тому +6

      I mean just look at F1 racing in the 60-80s, Look at the short but brutal history of Group B Rally, classic racing, was fast, deadly, all together incredibly unsafe

    • @extragoogleaccount6061
      @extragoogleaccount6061 3 роки тому

      @@DevinEMILE I thought they closed Group B before any major catastrophes? (I know they had one set of driver/navigator killed, but thats still way better than 60's F1, right?)

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 Рік тому

      @@extragoogleaccount6061 Depends on how you define major, but there were a few crashes into spectators on top of the crash in Italy you're describing.

  • @jbarnhart2653
    @jbarnhart2653 5 років тому +5

    Same with Monza. Depending on where you look it is at best rarely used (the banked course) and some suggest that it's defunct and will never be used again.
    The beating that the cars and drivers take (mostly a chasssis thing) killed it, regardless of the speed.

    • @GeorgeAshburn
      @GeorgeAshburn 4 роки тому +1

      It's talked about in the movie "Grand Prix". I can see where they don't use the banked course anymore

  • @Pwg1985
    @Pwg1985 5 років тому +1

    I always wondered this. Now I know. Ty

  • @robertwickey7194
    @robertwickey7194 5 років тому +1

    I maybe wrong but I was once told that the Darlington track was built for Indy cars and Sprint cars.

  • @chrismurphyracing94
    @chrismurphyracing94 5 років тому +7

    I'd be curious to see a modern IndyCar test just to see the speed they could reach. It will never happen due to a variety of safety concerns, but I'd imagine you'd break the 240 mark that they set at California

    • @truthhurts1754
      @truthhurts1754 5 років тому +1

      Depends on how much horsepower and downforce they were given. I would imagine if they were given the 800 horsepower that engine is capable of then it would be possible. Remember when Deferran broke that record those guys were running close to a thousand horsepower

    • @shawnbeck2303
      @shawnbeck2303 5 років тому +2

      A.J. Foyt held the record. He ran on the Texas Motor Speedway. Don't remember the speed. The car was very sleek at the time. Does anyone have information? On the car and speed. Maybe the year and date too? SHAWN

  • @andybailey6763
    @andybailey6763 3 роки тому +1

    Wow! History is a better story than fiction once again. Similar to the CART fiasco at the Texas Motor Speedway in 2001.

  • @michaelhutchinson9413
    @michaelhutchinson9413 21 день тому

    Just can’t believe there is no film, color or black and white, of this race or Amick’s accident. Unbelievable !

  • @99percenter1
    @99percenter1 5 років тому +3

    Reading some of the newspaper articles, I noticed they were called "speedway cars", not "Indy cars".

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed 4 роки тому +1

      @99percenter1 - From Indianapolis Motor Speedway, a name that still stands today!

  • @simoneburini4036
    @simoneburini4036 3 роки тому +7

    I think that Indycar at Daytona/Talladega could be done nowadays, if they remove the wings (to cut down the downforce and prevent pack racing from happening) and some of the first rows of seats in the grandstands. The only problem would be the horrible transition from the track to the apron.

  • @ledzeppelin5647
    @ledzeppelin5647 5 років тому +1

    I would have loved to hear a Novi run around here!

  • @conwaywilly9220
    @conwaywilly9220 5 років тому

    I wold like to see that race.. Did thay tape that race. ..neone have video??

  • @CombatMotors
    @CombatMotors 5 років тому +17

    My dad finished that race!

  • @walktroughman1952
    @walktroughman1952 4 роки тому +5

    Wait, Hudson Hornet was an actual car? Yeah, I've watched the Cars movies, I thought it was made up!

    • @Loulovesspeed
      @Loulovesspeed 4 роки тому +3

      @TheLazyWanderer - The Hudson Motor Co. built the Hornet model in the fifties and it helped popularize the early years of NASCAR. Its legendary straight six managed to blow off the V8s of the time and this got the attention of everyone. Hudson later became American Motors or AMC.

    • @coyoteannabis1192
      @coyoteannabis1192 3 роки тому +1

      They were also one of, if not the smoothest driving american cars at the time. My grandad had one and it was glorious until my dad and uncles worked on it. Then it was demonic. I was too young to remember all of what they did to it, but I remember that they "found" the engine at an airport, the new springs they threw in the back meant it could carry a lot of "Mexican Hay" in the trunk without sitting too low...

  • @nascarfanatic2425
    @nascarfanatic2425 4 роки тому +2

    In today's day and age, while the Superspeedway may be too dangerous, I would like to see IndyCar try to run on the infield road course. (Or Roval. Whatever you want to call it.) Even if it's just an exhibition race.

    • @FMecha
      @FMecha 4 роки тому

      IndyCar did a test on the Roval a while back (2007?)

  • @ziggy2shus624
    @ziggy2shus624 5 років тому +2

    It was all about aerodynamics. The cars would lift off the ground due to the shape of the roadsters, which was similar to an aircraft wing, The dirt cars didn't have this problem, but had a lot of aero drag and were slow, compared to the roadsters. The roadster that went 180 mph had a large wing producing downforce, which made it stable.
    Back in 1959 the Indy car guys knew little about aerodynamics, unlike today where F1 and Indy car racing is all about aero.

    • @theflagstand
      @theflagstand 5 років тому +1

      Just think about hitting 165mph in a car designed for 1/4-1 mile dirt tracks...

    • @KK-ex5zu
      @KK-ex5zu 5 років тому

      The aero drag is what kept the dirt cars from spinning and going airborne at Daytona in '59. Of course with the extra drag it made the dirt cars run slower but it had to have made for a better handling car around those long high banked corners and it had to have made for happier drivers not having to work as hard as the roadster drivers barely hanging on for dear life!

    • @theflagstand
      @theflagstand 5 років тому +1

      In a longer event it could actually have been very interesting, a battle of endurance. The roadster drivers crashing out or getting too exhausted vs. the dirt cars' engines possibly developing problems due to exceeding their design limits.
      After all, the fastest dirt car was 'only' 11mph slower than the fastest car so on the long run it could've worked. Of course a longer event would've probably meant more serious crashes too.