Dual Natured - Hawkins & Pater Dialogue | AC 6 Ambush the Vespers
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- This one took a bit longer than I thought.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Pre-Ambush Dialogue
1:24 - Ambushing Pater First
1:41 - Ambushing Hawkins
1:53 - Successful Ambush
2:14 - Getting Caught
2:41 - Post-Initiation
2:58 - Enemy Damaged
3:14 - Flatwell's Dialogue
3:48 - Low HP/Dying alone to Both
4:05 - Hawkin Last Dialogue
4:36 - Pater Last Dialogue
5:40 - Mission Ending
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Holy hell. "We're war buddies now". I just realized Rusty must have got that line from Maxwell. Thats a crazy plot twist if you see it coming
like uncle, like nephew i guess
It also says in Flatwells arena description that he's got a contact inside the Arquebus/ Schneider corp
@@vulnerablerummyi don't think rusty is flatwell's nephew, or at all blood related. everyone in the RLF just calls flatwell "uncle" because of his position as the military leader, whilst dolmayan is the "father," the spiritual leader.
@@vak.o oh daym, you're right. still like family tho with that inherited talking habit
Why the hell are you calling him Maxwell bru?
Hawkins seemed really chill. His death dialogue says alot about him. No anger, no malice, just a joke and acknowledgement of skill
Most Vespers except Peter and Snail are not that bad, i mean they're in a terrible corp i always feel bad for the lady Vesper in that mission.
@@jotita9350even Pater is pretty chill, he's scared to die and would love to climb the ranks but so does anyone else
@@jotita9350 Snail made me hate him more and more through each playthrough. When I was on my second one and finally got the chance to fight him in his AC, I was excited to finally kill him. Then the game said he ejected and swore revenge on us and I was so disappointed that he didn't fully die. Then that motherf$%er comes back in a frickin Balteus and starts ranting about how much he loathes us. YEAH, THE FEELING'S F#$%ING MUTUAL ASSHOLE!!!
I thought Pater was pretty cool, too, until this moment.
If Pater goes first, Hawkins cares about Pater all the way through the fight, and he grieves for him until the finish. And given how little we see of Hawkins, I respect him for looking out for someone, even below his rank.
However if Hawkins goes first, Pater does grieve over Hawkins, but he quickly moves on from his demise and moves in very quickly on taking Hawkins' place in the ranks of The Vespers ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE DIES. That kinda shows that maybe Pater doesn't care that much about Hawkins and cares more about the opportunity this gives him to gain power. This is says a lot about Pater's true colors.
Compare this with given how much Hawkins seemed to care about him, while Pater doesn't do the same towards Hawkins on a similar level, I think Hawkins' respect for Pater is misplaced, and I lost all respect for Pater after that.
Nobody likes an opportunistic little power grabber who barely cares about those he has to step on and over in order to get it.
@@kinghyperheart1571 looking at it and the AC name for pater i think he might actually have borderline personality disorder you know? he goes far to fast from crying to trying to get to the top.
The Voice acting in ac6 is so high quality. Really enjoyed listening to all the characters and imagining what they would look like.
Definitely the peak so far in their works, I genuinely feel bad for killing some of these characters, or vise-versa (Snail's scream lol)
@@apophisstr6719snails scream was the most satisfying thing to hear
I defeated Hawkins first, and I felt kind of bad when Pater was weeping. I fell for it, hook line and sinker.
I interpreted it as him having a breakdown and the coping the lost with the prospect of promotion
@@boomstixPater’s lore blurb in the Arena hints at him being a sociopath. I think it really is the case that he mainly sees V5’s death as his opportunity up the ranks
Bruh, I legit felt my stomach sink until he started rambling about being the new V. V.
@@fielgch4256 oh crap,I keep forgetting on looking into the blurbs,he's more mess up than I thought
@@fielgch4256I don't think he's a sociopath rather he just has a dual personality. Hence, both emotions are true: his soft mourning side and his hard opportunist side.
Pater switches between literally weeping over Hawkins' death to crowing about how he's about to get a promotion.
Well, his mech is called DUAL NATURE for a reason.
Split-personality I guess
Like how the higher rank he is the more confident he gets, especially in ng++ when he’s V. III
Pater's true identity is just mini-me Snail, has 2 face(dual nature as his ac name) the perfect office type liaison and thirst of power and position person.
I really like Pater. He's very human, especially when he copies Rusty hahah
@@HiroyaFujimiyathe dual nature refer to split personality between his caring nature at least for us and his vesper member (if we didn't fuck him up) and his lack of empathy (psychopath or coping mechanism) not being 2 faced
Arrogant is more like it.
@@jacqli9315Does that caring attitude include when he gave the order to execute 621 during their escape, or when he showed up to try and kill 621 in an LC, even when we didn’t betray the Vespers? The guy is only “caring” when it suits him.
I love Pater's attitude while they're waiting for the ambush. "See any good movies lately V.V?"
Really interesting to see Pater's polite mask drop the moment he realizes he's going to get a higher number. Dude is a stonecold ambitious, despite how Hawkins love him like a son/student.
Not precisely since it seems like he was attempting to cope with the situation, he doesn't flip tracks immediately
@@Temporal94Not coping. He's a psychopath. Look at his arena description
@@filipgasic2642I prefer to think of it as a little of column A, a little of column B.
@@filipgasic2642 tbf Allmind's descriptions can be inaccurate, considering some of the assumptions it makes
@@filipgasic2642The NG++ fight with Pater makes me disagree. He makes a similar comment about getting a higher rank, but because it involves O'Keefe a character Pater really seems to care about and we've effectivelly destroyed the Vespers by that point, it really does seem like he is coping. His AC dual nature might a have more deeper meaning to his character and might not just refer to a psycho putting on a face.
The Arena implies that Pater is a natural-born psychopath and Pater's dialogue reflects this so well.
Nah, he has a personality disorder, both his weeping and his opportunism are genuine
I dont think he has an actual disorder. I think he is just a two faced person. He acts earnest polite, and to me it seems like he actually does care about his colleagues, but he's also got that that signature corporate greed and ambition, which are ultimately more important to him.
his AC name is dual nature, i think he has split persona
felt bad for killing pater since he always thought so highly of raven and respected him
and then you realise the guy not only realises he has the chance of a promotion, but also somewhat imitates the previous Vesper's voice
He doesn't. Pater has a split personality.
Pater: Raven! Is this how we meet in person this line make me feel bad for battling him
@@TokimiyaTakeru this is true, until you realise the guy is a sniveling rat more than anything
I see it less as Pater not actually caring about Hawkins, and more that his split personality/psycopathic tendencies cause him to move past it quickly by using his possible promotion as a coping mechanism. He always wanted to be promoted, though it's not like he wanted Hawkins dead to do it (as far as I see it anyway). Then once he's over it, he just moves on and focuses on his duty and his ambition
There's also how he still cries over thinking about the death of V.III, and how he treats us based on prior actions. During the prison break, his attitude towards us changes based on whether we took the Vesper Assassination mission. If we do? He orders the MTs to kill us on sight. If we didn't? He is hesitant and orders for non-lethal attacks.
I am thoroughly convinced that V.VIII Pater has a split personality disorder. The moment Hawkins died, Pater had a mental break down and lost his will to fight... Until a darker, violent, and very selfish personality took over, gleeful that he got promoted at Hawkins' expense.
Hawkins is one of the only unambiguously good mercs along with Rusty.
Michigan's a total bro in his own way. He knows all the names of his soldiers, even the MT grunts and allows them to retreat with no real consequences other than "more training".
@@QuestionableObjectMichigan's more than a Bro, he's a GigaDad
"Unambiguously good" did you not just hear him casually talking about reduction camps with Pater?
@@QuestionableObject The biggest hint at Michigan being an absolute bro was the arena descriptions about hiring his nemesis into the Redguns as G2 and the fact he is so damn confident he put a bounty on *himself*(probably the reason why G2 was even after him in the first place) and that if anyone were to claim the bounty he simply asked that half of it goes to his squad.
Pretty sure thats intentional too, definitely adds to the pain of seeing arquebus become the actual winner just from pure ruthlessness and taking advantage of the treaty.
@@stanharold7641 Yeah but he feels bad about it so he's good right right???? 😹
they put a lot of effort behind this so many different dialogue for different scenarios
Pater's Dual Nature implies that he probably has 2 personalities. There is this trigger when Pater gets extremely upset and he weeps, then his darker personality awakes. It's quiet obvious during the ambush mission if you kill Hakwins first, and in mission MIA when Pater mentions V.III was looking after him and he weeps again.
“Pater. The Raven is here.”
Family guy reference?
Damn I love that they went all in with the voice acting
Y’know, maybe I’m wrong but I always thought Pater was a set of twins, since he’s still alive in the jailbreak mission.
He ejected out of his AC. Hawkins I guess didn't have a chance to
People seem to think Pater is a POS but forget he has a literal split personality, he cared about Hawkins as much as he was excited about getting a promotion. Both are real and the dude is just funny in the head like that.
funny 😭
I think pater is straight up insane. His mood swings are insane.
youre not wrong, he’s definitely clinically wrong
When I did this mission I jumped Hawkins real fast and totaled his AC real fast cause he was clearly the bigger threat and Pater just freaking out and crying after Hawkins did his line I felt bad for the little desk jockey 😂
I don't think I ever got the successful ambush dialogue cause I would never bring weapons that could hit them from that far, usually just had the minigun and missiles
😢😢
Missiles have the longest range in the game
You can fly over the thing above them and drop down behind them
This was really well-edited, cheers
Thanks for doing these. I always miss the dialog from all these fights because im too busy trying to survive lol
Oh...so there is a way to sneak attack them.
I always just burn towards them like a psycho...
;D
Same TBH. It still weirds me out they have stealth options in a mecha game
Hey, it works as a surprise attack. You might not get the drop on them per se, but they were probably surprised to open the door only for you to stick a spiked metal rod through their faces at Mach 2
Pater honestly gives me a sort of Patches vibe. Where he takes advantage of the misfortune of his allys.
Thanks for this! I couldn't focus on the dialogue the one time I did this mission, and I didn't feel like going back.....
Damn, RIP Hawkins. You were a real one.
They were nice guys. The real shame we had to finish them off.
Pater had a split personality that had him being nice one second, and a complete scumbag the next.
@@orthrusthetoadI can fix him
Pater is so obviously the Patches of ac6. He is even named after the Patches of Dark 2, Pate.
His personality is not even remotely close to Patches, Swinburne is Patches, he’s got the cowardly personality, begs for his life in which you can choose to spare him, uses a shield and frequently kicks you.
Pater just had Dual Personality Disorder
Nah Patch is V.VII he even beg you to spared him
@@the_jingo not to mention VII keeps talking about manners something Patches has done in every game.
@@XShadowzVarcolac “I HOLD THE PURSE STRINGS!”
*M A B O I*
Didn't Pater make it to the veeery higher ranks in NG++ or did my eyes deceive me that one time...?
yes, since you killed V. III and Middle Flatwell will prolly still proceed at ambushing V. V and V. VIII, we know V. V will die and V. VIII survived
You are correct, the Vespers Ranks get obliterated in NG++, Flatwell definitely killed Hawkins and you kill O'Keefe so he becomes V.III by the time you face him in the High Mobility LC. Only reason he isn't V.II is because they haven't confirmed Snail's death yet.
The more of the Vespers you kill the higher his rank during the mission after coral convergence. I've seen his rank at 8, 6, and 3.
@@littlesnowflakepunk8558, 5* and 3
@@filipgasic26428,6,5,3. In the escape mission, he has taken V.VI's spot
Pater's mental illness is done so well and so subtly that people actually think he's grieving. He's literally insane and has what seems to be MPD or something. He even sounds like the typical office sociopath who kisses ass and acts so squared away because it means maybe promotion and won't hesitate the snatch the throne if it becomes available to him.
Pater is my favorite character :)
feel bad after killing Hawkins first and hearing Pater weeping, but never heard about his sudden joy being V.V
now I regret nothing
Pater... Pate... Patches?
Even if they both survived, he'd probably trick Hawkins and kick him off a cliff to get his promotion.
Damn, Pater is a piece of shit. Hawkins is genuinely distraught when he dies, but Pater is just "lol thanks for the promotion". Also, assuming that Vesper ranks move linearly, he skips right to V.V from his spot, which shows Arquebus was already planning to leave Maeterlinck to die, with Pater knowing that.
Actually, Swinburne is still potentially alive at this point... hm. I think I like my theory better still.
I think the idea is that since Pater is Hawkin's adjutant, he's the best suited for the position of whatever logistics division they run.
I think Pater is genuinely schizophrenic or has some other sort of mental illness that causes rapid mood swings. Beyond his crying sounding very genuine, his AC is called 'dual nature' with the emblem being a brain with two babies in it.
@@IamlordEVIL Allmind's records could also be partially inaccurate.
@@IamlordEVIL After thinking about it more, yeah, this is probably the case. He may have something like a split personality, where the more opportunistic, bastardous personality comes out in times of extreme stress. There's another similar event in the third ending, where he starts out enraged that you killed a good friend, but shifts later on. The arena profile says he was always just a sociopath, but perhaps there's more to it. Might even be the true side effects of the augmentation surgery. He's an interesting character, upon further consideration.
@@arsenicsulfide7549 funny how later generation augmentation are supposed to be "stable" yet the most weird charactrers in vespers are later gens lol (Snail, Pater, Swinburne)
wowwww thats actually so dark I literally blew him up right when he said “v5 pater doesnt sound so bad” and I actually felt really bad
Funny thing is that on my first playthrough i killed Pater first and didn't really pay attention to his personality.
It was the 2nd one where i hear him go all nuts about being V.V, and when you break out he legit gets Hawkins spot.
Poor Pater Perker!
Lmao Hawkins was epic. That’s what I thought the first time I heard them speak. It’s rare that the people you fight are so cool in this game lol
I wonder if killing Hawkins second affects anything in the Jailbreak mission, like if Hawkins is the one in charge there, and Pater died instead, or if it still promotes Pater to V3 and he still orders your death.
I literally just jumped down immediately and waited for them to appear.
You get a dialogue in which he scolds you for being an idiot and shouting that this was supposed to be an ambush.
This mission confuses me, when hawkins kills you and says "wish it couldve been me" it implies pater died, but in the escape mission not only is he alive and well, he is also promoted to v.v. so what happened?
Could just be that he thinks he's dead, it's not unreasonable to think he was alvaged from the fight especially when he definitely sounds like he has a grudge in the escape mission as V.V
Read the Arena biographies for the pilots. Hawkins is said to have deep survivor's guilt issues, practically blames himself for surviving all of the augmentation surgeries performed on himself whilst all his friends and co-pilots died over the earlier generations to essentially cultivate better surgeries that the likes of Snail and Pater enjoyed. When he says "wish it could've been me" he really meant it, he basically wants to die for a good cause to redeem himself in his own eyes.
Wish Flatwell had a voice line for if Raven just kills them out the door
Have onli wee could spare them
Pater will dtay in memory
PATER!!!!!
if his coping mechanism when he grief is his second personality comes out, it seem more rational
Yeah. I know this was supposed to be ambushed, but I forget to swap out my shotguns.
iirc there is a comment from maxwell if he is alive when pater start imagining himself as V.V
i could be 99% wrong tho
Holy fucking shit Pater is scary.
wish using snail's ac triggers a unique dialogue and also other acs for different characters.
Oh, so that's why everyone is calling Pater a psycho. I only ever got the dialogue when killing him first, really no other dialogue shows it so clearly haha.
Do they have unique dialogue if you show up in snails AC?
someone tested, no nothing changed
@holmesholmes.8784 i also tested not long after poosting this, just forgot i commented
The name of Pater's ac is "dual nature".
Would getting caught with the V.2 Snail preset change dialogue?
I did actually try that, but it didn't work. Would be funny if it did work for a second though.
@@GreyCaliber It would probably take a decent amount of dev work but characters reacting to your build if you're using one a specific character's preset would be funny and quite interesting. Like imagine facing Raven as Raven, just really lean into stealing this guy's identity.
@@stormlordeternal7663 I can also Imagine Carla finding it pretty funny too if you show up with her stuff
"V.II? What's the matter boss?"
"Pater... something isnt right"
"What?"
"He's too silent.."
"Maybe he hopped off his AC for a bathroom break?"
@stormlordeternal7663 I swear there is one interaction? I think when you do one of the missions that have Rusty as a ally with the STEEL HAZE ORTUS preset equipped I think he says something about your AC being made for High Speeds or something?
Is it just me Or Just you make your AC looks like ARDALEST?
I didn't even know that Peter had two different personalities because I killed him first on the Bad ending and I guess I wasn't really listening in new game++. But when I first saw it I thought it was real creepy he went from crying over his father figure dying to talking self centered and not even caring abot hawkins
Flatwell isn't useless, He's good bait
Also i find it mildly hilarious that Snail literally sent those two to die
wasnt allmind gave them fake messege to them for the ambushed?
@@s0meRand0m129 Nope, all Snail
How does middle flatwell know where they are gonna be if it really is snail? That doesnt make sense. I though middle gave them a fake message to set the ambush
@@killedbytheguardians5545 If you'll remember the "Kill Swinburne" Mission, rokumonsen, that ninja fanatic under employ by the RLF, is basically a master of information acquisition and high-speed ambushes (deduced by the fact that he intercepts YOUR comms if you accept Swinburn's surrender)
If ANYONE could intercept Vesper communiques while not being all-mind, it's that guy
@@monkeycake2612Rokumonsen's AC does have multiple allmind parts, and every other AC that uses those are all current or former Allmind agents. (Including the player)
Sulla has Mind Alpha legs, O'Keefe has a Mind Alpha head, Kate Marksen has the entire Mind Alpha unpiloted AC build from the AllMind arena + the same voice actress as AllMind & is probably just AllMind's humansona cosplay, and then Iguazu after getting assimilated by Allmind.
Then here are also 4 pilots highlighted as coral release candidates on the augmented humans list allmind shows the player. One gen 1 (sulla), two gen 2 (the player and iguana), and one gen 3 (unknown). Notably, O'Keefe, the candidate who refused allmind and had his coral implants replaced with Gen 8 non-coral ones, was Gen 2, which means he isn't the Gen 3 candidate...
One unidentified coral release candidate, One AC with Allmind parts that isn't a confirmed allmind agent.
And allmind suggests that the plan requires two potential candiates to fight in order to trigger "evolution".
In the same way that the Player is Sulla's replacement, Iguazu may have been Rokumonsen's after his loyalty to the RLF stopped him from continuing to accept AllMind's "independent" missions.
Pater is scum from the start
When he dies he isnt upset about his friend- hes upset that he didnt get to live a career where he was V.5 after just overtaking his comrade's title
THEN in the NG+2 ending (stop reading if you dont want spoilers)
You kill V.3 in a mission, the Vesper's Espionage officer, and you later see Pater sporting the newest Coral MC technology repurposed from the PCA, dawning the rank of V.3, shortly after you killed him.
Pater was all about the glory- he was like a Snail in the making
Guess it's his split personality/psychopathic tendency.
Hi there! I'm making an AC6 inspired dating sim, and your videos have been invaluable to me! Thank you so much for making them. Do you happen to have this mission in Japanese?
Glad the videos could help! Unfortunately, I did not record this one in Japanese, sorry about that.
@@GreyCaliberNo worries! I just did the mission myself in Japanese and grabbed it. I don’t think I’ll need to be revisiting it either. Keep up the good work!
Wat is maxwell mean? His short call??
we know now pater personality
*personalities
Maxwell?
Just a typo for flatwell.
wait you’re punching lmao
Wait hang on how'd you fit 2 needles on the alba legs?!?!
Mabey he's over weight.
@@ixiahjhas to be
There’s an upgrade that lets you start sorties overburdened (it also lets you purge them on command)
It looks to me that he's playing this mission from new game++. By that time, if you've been doing all of the arena fights, you have all the OST chips you need to purchase every upgrade. So he's likely running an overburdened AC and purging weapons as he goes
His ac seems to be:
Head: ALBA
Core: ALBA
Arms: VP-46
Legs: ALBA
Booster: BST-G2/ P04
FCS: ABBOT
Generator: VP-20C
R-Arm: LUDLOW
L-Arm: HMMR
It fully utilizes the weight and EN load, no need for the Weight Control system unlock
What nature is honest brute?
a clown
I understand it was a necessity for the RLF, but I always hated this mission. Arquebus and Balam can suck a fat one - the Vespers and Redguns deserved better.
I new it Peter was his son ,poor pater hi got PTSD
No, Pater is just assigned to hawkins as his second in command. Pater is beyond having any sort of PTSD that man is a sociopath from what his data logs state
@@ulric8445 socio-what 😐
Sociopath: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
Or as it more commonly gets tossed around, seeing people as objects to use, as you don’t care what happens to them.
@@ulric8445 thanks 👍
@@heademptyonlybun881nah pater absolutely cares about the other vespers. a lot of people speculating in the comments really just have no clue about mental health or disorders. if he's anything, he's probably borderline
Rusty is coral. Same with arye. Yall forget how strong coral is.
Pater is garbage. I feel happy to finish him last and ruin his ambitions.
"Dual Nature" implies both of his two-faced sides are true.
Maxwell?