You're saying it Wrong! The most mangled bicycle lingo clarified
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Here is some bicycle terminology that is often confused, conflated, or straight up mangled. This is all in good fun, as I probably make more mistakes than the average UA-camr. It's also worth nothing that I don't care what you call anything and rarely correct anyone... except when they call a damper a dampener. That's yucky.
I know some people might disagree on the sprocket one, because as I mentioned there are subcategories that will, in fact, refer to the gear up front as such, but to my knowledge, bike companies, engineers, and mechanics in MOUNTAIN BIKING distinguish chainrings from sprockets as outlined in the video.
There are also parts of the world where it's very common for people to call their fork, their "forks". This would be, at best, regional slang. But you don't throw hay with your pitchforks, and you don't tune a piano with you tuning forks. You don't eat with your forks. It's a fork.
There are also terms that are perfectly fine to say either way, like handlebar vs handlebars. "Deraill-e-ur" vs "derailer" to refer to a derailleur is also contentious yet acceptable either way.
Keep in mind, the only people who never make mistakes are those who grew up around parents and communities of hardcore cyclists who taught them the terms from day one. The rest of us had to learn the hard way.
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I never say dampening. I say suspension moistening.
I like my suspension well moistened
Welp i would like a fork full with oil and dampened more than a bonedry fork
Remember to water your forks folks!
For forksake 😂
That would hamper your damper. What's hampening dude?
To "dampen" something also means to make something less strong or intense - this is probably where the confusion comes from. Dampers dampen the force of impacts via damping.
You can stuff tissues inside the tubes to help with dampening the sounds caused when others put ball bearings in the tubes.
I think you might find this is a difference between American English and Normal English.
Both damp and dampen have similar meanings in the dictionary.
You could say the shocks have a dampening effect. I think still the original way he used it sounded wrong though, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using it in a more general context.
These words are all, general dictionary terms vs bike specific terms. Like a Chainring is a type of sprocket, so calling it a sprocket wouldn't be wrong, bike in the bike world you could say chainring without needing to point to which sprocket you were referring to.
You could also say, cassette or freewheel for the rear.
I work as an engineer at a company that designs mtb pedals, and we always refer to it as a spindle. So do all of our suppliers and industry contacts. I have never heard it called a pedal axis. Just Google pedal spindle and pedal axis and see what comes up. Pretty much every company calls it a spindle... sometimes its called an axle, but not an axis. Not sure where he got this one.
Agreed, the axis is the plane upon which the pedal rotates, but the spindle is the physical piece that provides said axis.
The wheel hubs and crank spindle all provide an axis of rotation...
@@BlueTrane2028 Wouldn't an axis be a line, rather than a plane? Geometrically speaking?
@@aspensulphate sure.
Exactly, an axis is the geometric term for a pedal's spindle. But mechanically it functions as an "axle".not a spindle.
Since it remains stationary, the same as a wheel axle. While a bicycle bottom bracket spindle rotates. But the common nomenclature, is to refer to it as a "spindle",
That is not just for the threaded section. I didn't know that had a separate resignation?
@@nc3826Ah, but a pedal spindle actually rotates with the crank arms as the crank arms spin, and the pedal orientation stays constant, making it a spindle for the pedal instead of an axle. The frame of reference is the pedal, not the crank arm.
Likewise, a bottom bracket spindle spins, making it a spindle.
A wheel axle does not spin - it is stationary in rotation while the hub spins around it. That makes it an axle.
At least that's how it works in bicycle terms, anyway.
When you know the ‘cages with straps’ were called toeclips back in the day (something Seth forgot to mention), the term clipless pedals suddenly makes sense.
Agreed....and "clipless pedals" that you now clip into is the stupidest term in biking. Are people so stuck they can't adjust to this one simple word change which more accurately states the obvious? next thing you know, we'll be calling day "night" and
The literal translation of the german term "Klickpedale" for clipless pedals is "click pedals", which, given the fact that they do in fact click when u clip into or out of them, makes perfect sense. In fact, when I was a kid I saw something about mountain biking on TV where that exact term was used while showing a rider clipping into his pedals, and that combination of the narrator naming the pedals, the rider's movement of his foot and the clicking sounds as he clipped in made clear to me that those pedals latched onto the rider's shoes before the narrator even got to explaining what those pedals did.
When I first heard the english term "clipless pedals" many years later I couldn't make any sense of that whatsoever until said pedals appeared on screen and I went "Oooh, they're talkin' about CLICK PEDALS!"
Some of us still call them toeclips... because that's what they are. They never actually went away, I still use them on several bikes, and on my recumbent trike. I'd call "clipless" pedals "cleated" pedals or "cleats". Whatever you call them, I find the need to wear specific cycling shoes to attach to pedals is annoying. 😁
Just start calling them Clip On pedals until everyone around you starts saying the same thing.
@@another3997cleats are the parts in the shoes, it's referring to a different thing, you'd only add different confusion.
As a non native speaker I loved this one.❤ Due to all the English mountain bike videos I watch i often don't even know the names to the parts in my mother tongue cause all my knowledge is bag on these English UA-cam videos 😅
Especially that its called a fork, not forks. That was the one thing that I always wanted to know... Im happy now.
Hahaha, same here, Dude. I'm using translate to know what things are called in Latvian. 😁
So you have a lot of spanners in your toolbox? :-)
I'm not a native English speaker, but I don't know the name of the parts in my language
me too
Seth's videos will never "damping" our day.
*damp
😂
@@teodorvangelov dampen
@@BIIIKES Damp
@@th_js Dampen definition: To dampen something such as someone's enthusiasm or excitement means to make it less...
I've actually had 3 guys at a shop working on my bike and they all called my cassette and free hub a "free wheel" and I was super confused because I was barely starting out on the cycling scene. I asked them "don't you mean 'cassette' and not free wheel?" And they looked at me like I was annoying lol
Maybe get a different shop, one that is more knowledgeable and polite.
I'd be like "that's right, bad habit".
The handlebar one is funny. Mountain bikers say, “I bought a new handlebar.” But when we crash we say, “Ah man, my handlebars are twisted.”
or "I went over the bars" ...
The interchangeable handlebar or handlebars comes from old designs (and from motorcycles) where individual left and right handlebars can be clamped to the fork. For example, clip-on handlebars for motorcycles are two distinct handlebars that each clamp to one side of the triple clamp.
There's another one Seth missed: There's no such thing as a triple-crown fork. There are triple clamps on some (not all) double crown forks.
Well, there are two ends, that don't really look like one unless you have flat bars which are a pretty new thing.
I might catch flack for this, but go to your bike store and ask for a new wheel. I don't think you'll get a tire included in your purchase. You'll probably get a rim, hub, and spokes all assembled into a "wheel" or "wheelset.'
That's how it works in the automotive world, at least. The tire is separate from the wheel. I've not heard it otherwise in my local group of bikers, either.
Very true
I’d agree with this. A tire isn’t part of a wheel. It goes on a wheel.
Bought a wheelset online, didn't come with the tires.
Wheel can be a catch-all term in context; eg, 'the wheel came off the bike in a crash' includes the tyre.
The tire becomes part of the wheel when it's mounted. The wheel is what's called an "assembly", meaning it's the sum of its individual parts. Each of which can be referred to specifically.
Say you have two sets of wheels, each with tires installed for different conditions. If you say "I'm gonna swap wheels" everyone will know what you're doing.
If you say "I'm gonna swap wheels and tires" everyone will assume you're gonna be using some tire levers.
Technically, the frame element can also be called the Bottom Bracket. In early days, when all frames were lugged, "lug" and "bracket" were synonymous. The lug at the bottom was called the bottom bracket.
Seth, those folks across the pod sometimes call derailleurs "mechs"- as in rear mech and front mech. And, they also use de-rail-e-yur as well. Perhaps because of a road cycling and Euro focused lexicon. Love that you are going about this!
Yes that's true. Rear mech is the usual term nowadays over here in England.
It is a mechanism that moves the chain across cogs, so it's correct as a general term of its usage.
I think "mech" is Brits avoiding sounding French, lol. Derailleur is the French word based on "derail" (like a train), which is where the derailleur was invented.
@@matt.3.14 Yeah, the correct pronunciation is probably French, so more like deh-ray-err (or perhaps deh-raye-ur) than det-raill-ee-uh or de-railer.
Seth never fails to make my day better.
You guys are quite lucky with the English "damping" vs. "dampening".
In German, many people switch "Dämpfung" (damping) and "Dämmung" (insulation). If you go to the according verbs, you end up with the verb "dämpfen" for damping. But "dämpfen" is also the verb for:
- breathing in water vapor/steam if you have a nasal congestion
- using steam when ironing clothes
- using steam to fertilice soil
- using only the steam to cook (usually with a sealed pot and minimum a bottom sieve to keep e.g. vegetable away from the cooking water)
- using steam to make wood somewhat soft moldable
I am sure there are more examples...
Wie kann man denn Dämmung und Dämpfung verwechseln? Im Englischen versteh ichs ja, es klingt ähnlich, aber im Deutschen nicht.
@@vornamenachname727 weil die leute doof sind und meinen das ihre eierkartons im studio irgendwie verhindert das der nachbar was hört.
@@vornamenachname727Für Menschen die nicht in Deutschland geboren sind ist es schwer
It's interesting. Almost all examples you gave related to steam fit right into Turkish with the word "buğlama". It also means using steam in those scenarios.
Hehe, I love it!
I think the chain does stretch out. Although the metal doesn't stretch, the chain is the complete thing. Since wear in the links causes the chain as a complete thing to get longer, it does stretch out! Also, you don't need preload to have sag. If you're un a completely un-preloaded spring, it still sags under your own weight.
stretch, or lengthen/elongate?
Two different meanings. I'm going with the latter.
As for "stretch out", needless verbosity : )
It’s not stretch because stretch would imply elasticity of the chain as an assembly and that it’ll spring back to a shorter length upon releasing tension.
As mentioned above, chain elongation or lengthening is more technically correct. As the wear between each pin and link develops a bigger gap, it causes a significantly longer chain over multiple links, which is how we measure it.
I learn a lot of new information about bicycles, how to manage them, and more. This is a wonderful and wonderful video.👍👍👍
Was a bike shop mechanic for 12 years and (prior to this video) never heard or said “fork end” (called it a rear-slotted dropout, lol) or “axis” (called them spindles). Funny to hear your breakdown of chainring vs sprocket… all the BMX’ers I knew always said “chainwheel” and “sprocket”. 👍🏼
Yeah, going by the technical definition, a chainring is also a sprocket, it's just not commonly used that way in reference to bikes.
same with the fork end.
"Fork end" is mostly used when referring to track bikes. Those fixie folks will know you're not one of them if you call it a "dropout".
An axis is the geometric term for a pedal's spindle. But mechanically it functions as an "axle".not a spindle. But the common nomenclature, is to refer to it as a "spindle".
But he kept referring to just the threads, which I didn't know had a separate name?
Been working in bike shops for over 20 years, and there is always that one guy who corrects me when I say "seat" and informs me its a "saddle". I then ask him, ok well what is the "saddle" mounted to? ...that's right a "seat" post. hahaha. oh bikes are fun.
The seat is attached to the saddlepost which slides into the saddletube!
Your “rim being bent” would be “untrue” 😉
Love your work Seth ❤
I always understood that a "bent" rim is damaged beyond trueing, and an untrue rim just needs the spokes adjusted.
I once heard a guy saying "I got rimmed" when he crashed due to a bent rim after hitting a stone. Had to sit down from laughing, didn't bother to explain him though as he was very vocal about his story and did not want to deny others the pleasure of hearing his explanation.
Yeah it would still be bent.
@@jimball5204 Bent is simply a deviation from straight, and straight is/can be defined as symmetrical. So any 'untrue' wheel is bent. It is far more correct to say bent.
@@kidShibuya I will respectfully disagree. I have “taco’ed” a wheel…it was bent. No amount of spoke adjustment would correct that. A wheel that is untrue can be corrected with spoke adjustment.
As somebody who doesn't mountain bike (haven't touched a bike in 13 years, but I'd love to get back into it) thank you. There were a couple of these I didn't know.
I thinking about starting a youtube channel and your videos are my biggest motivation. I think I watched every one of your videos about 5 times. So keep up the good work and ride safe!
The botttom bracket one is easy to work around. Especially in square taper bottom brackets, you could call the bottom bracket with the included spindle a "bottom bracket assembly".
This was a great video! Love all these random info vids you have been doing. Waiting for a podcast....
It's "Star FANGED Nut", because it has fangs which bite into the steerer tube. Fangled is funny though, I'm not upset that people use it. I use them interchangeably.
I'm glad that I never use none of this terms in Hungarian language 😂 But we have also some debates about calling stuff on our bikes. E.g. we used to call mudgards in 2 different ways. Sárvédő or sárhányó. It is funny, because if you translate them, the first one is the correct term "tha stuff that keeps mud away from you". The secont term is can be translated as a "mud vomiter". It makes no sense but we usually use the second one.
I'm calling it a mud vomiter from here on out.
Sárvédő se helyes szerintem mert a sarat minek védeni?
@@theredbird2384 így. De vannak akik szerint a sárhányó is helyes megnevezés, mert hogy régen a lovaskocsikon is így hívták.
@@theredbird2384 nem a sarat védi, téged véd a sártól.
@@filmtabletta értem én hogy mi a funkcioja de a neve nem ezt sugalja. Sárhányo szerintem egy jobb kifejezés
" however you were saying it is fine " - ok, so steering rod it is
That's gonna get mistaken for steering tube.
As an Englishman, born and living in England, I find it both funny and somewhat ironic when Americans complain about people mispronouncing or misspelling supposedly "English" words. A prime example of the pot calling the kettle! 😁 Derailleur is a French word, used because this gearing mechanism was originally designed by a Frenchman. As a long time user of toe clips and straps, I personally call "clipless" pedals cleats or cleated pedals. Or sometimes, though technically incorrect, refer to them as SPDs, even if referring to non Shimano variants.
This was exquisite. I look forward to your appearance on the Allusionist podcast
Happy to see the trouvaille in this video, I built my own after I found one marked down to $200 at my local walmart. (Also I found a dropper seatpost adapter that allowed me to run a 27.2 dropper seatpost)
"My rim is bent. That would be technically be _true_." 😆
Man, best video this year. Gave me the shivers! 😂 Though I'm german and not speaking english too fluent, I'm trying to speak as correct as possible. And it rips my nails off hearing people speaking their own language wrong. Same with written words. As words are my profession as a kind of teacher and trained printer it simply gives me the shivers.
Great stuff as always. Just what the soul needed after a stressful day.
I think the forkend vs dropout could be argued currently, as the forkends are commonly (and even officialy eg by Surly) referred to as horizontal dropouts and it got adopted quite well in the community. It's also reasonable and if one knows what dropouts are, he or she will most likely imagine what a horizontal dropout is
As a sidenote: in Poland plenty of things are getting called "derailleur" by nontechnical people:
- derailleurs (obviously)
- shifters
- number of gears a bike has (eg one might say that 3x9 bike has 27 derailleurs. I know, in english it sounds rubbish)
- the cogs in cassette
So you see it's a magic-multitool-word for most things related to the drivetrain xD
Oddly, back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s we always called the rear of a BMX “dropouts”, and I thought it was because the frame hung lower to shield the hub when grinding ledges.
@@BermPeakExpress Had never heard of forkend term, used to call them horizontal dropouts as well. My Balfa hardtail from 2001 had that style along with a hanger, which I think was somewhat unique to have both? My first mtb in 1997-- (which was actually a Diamondback!)-- first upgrade I got was toe clips so I could ride and look more serious like my buddy who was already riding (on a Barracuda I think). Cheers to the old days
I haven’t seen any I quite some time, but years ago horizontal dropouts were the most common thing on road bikes. The slot faced forward, so you could remove the wheel without derailing the chain. I suspect they were common as some people liked to switch to a fixed gear wheel for either winter training and/or time trialing,and you needed the horizontal slot to be able to adjust chain tension.
If Sheldon Brown is to be trusted - and he almost always is - dropout is merely a subset of fork end. All dropouts are fork ends, but not all fork ends are dropouts.
Dropout encompasses both forward opening horizontal dropouts (common on vintage road bikes) and vertical dropouts (common on most multi speed derailleur bikes today), since the wheel drops out without derailling the chain.
Dropout excludes rear-opening fork ends (often called track fork ends today), which open to the rear of the bike and require derailling the chain to get the wheel off.
To split hairs, pre-load and the air pressure aren't exactly the same either. The air pressure sets the spring rate of the air chamber. Preload is adding an initial compression to the spring at full fork/shock extension. It's subtle but while changing preload will alter your sag some, it doesn't alter the actual spring rate like changing the air pressure would. You could add a ton of preload to a spring that is too soft and get a "correct" sag measurement, but it would still bottom out too easy because there's not enough support through the travel. It is tricky because there isn't really an independently adjustable preload on air sprung suspension (volume spacers are not the same thing, closest concept would be the negative spring? but also not quite), and you really only see true preload on coil sprung.
I’d say that on air suspension it would be the ratio between you’re negative and positive air chambers. But I’m not sure the range of pre-load is as large as a coil fork/shock.
That end clip was so satisfying!
For what I learned in school for a mechanic diploma, the wheel is the whole assembly ready to be installed (the rim and tire for mtbikes obviously includes hubs and spokes), this is great content! Have you considered doing a podcast or something like that? There is alot more lingo but you got everything very correctly summed up, the fork end although it's in the rear I can see where it came from, I used to call them chain tensioner and I am pretty sure I have seen them advertised as chain tensioner, although there is also a part that is called chain tensioner that is like a derailleur with only 1 cog, the dropout usually is also referred to the derailleur hanger, really you are correct about everything said, I've been a mountain biker since I can remember, glad I didn't had alot of bad spelling but I also spend a lot of time reading about mountain bikes. Big fan of the channel keep it up!
Finally calling these out. Thank you Seth!
Seth ur the best and the most entertaining MTB UA-camr out there continue the good work
Thanks for the very well-done informative video. Until I saw your video I thought I knew something about bicycles. Now I find out that I didn't even know basic terminology.
I’m a bmx rider myself! I’d love to hear more about when you rode bmx! I’d love to see some old footage and stuff! Would be a great video for sure!
Hey Seth, dampening could actually be a correct term! Damper is a noun that describes the mechanical part that dampens the suspension. Dampen is a verb which has multiple meanings- to make less strong or intense, reduce the amplitude of, to check or diminish the activity or vigor of, or to deaden. So, dampening describes the amount/rate at which a damper dampens! In fact, I would argue that a damper also could be described as a dampener! English is so fun!
Correct
I am a mechanic at a bike shop and this is one thing that drives my boss nuts. We had this discussion one day and I went and looked it up. Everything above is correct and my boss can get over it.
PS: I say damping because that is what the industry uses but dampening is not wrong.
No, it's damping. Go Google "suspension dampening", see how it's corrected, and you'll see that I'm correct.
The end.
Watched on Nebula, came here to like this comment. 👍🏻
@@rustler08 I literally just googled dampening, and OP is right. I'm familiar with it from sound-proofing, but people use it for a lot of things.
Well i say forks as I’m a dirt biker and our forks are two things
I didn’t expect Seth to give me the birds and the bees talk about bikes at 4:18 in the morning. Loved the video though!
As a mechanic in a bike shop the wheel terminology is always thrown around incorrectly by customers, “my rim has a flat” “my hub is rubbing” “my rim is dry rotted” just to quote a few 😂
you could have talked about how people get high and low/ big and small gears mixed up
Also high and low guitar strings.
i never know what to say “up or down the cassette” because one could easily interpret it either way. i wish we would use inbd/outbd
After 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I still struggle with this. I try to think of it like my car (smallest sprocket is the highest gear) which jives with the gear indicator on my son's Cannondale, but I found that it confuses people who have never driven stick. So I just tell people "Shift to your hardest gear" or "Shift to your easiest gear"
Saying “Shift up to a lower gear” is a hard habit to break… still working on that one.
I think either axle or spindle is technically correct for the pedal. You said Axis, which I assume is some Long Island thing.
The point that attaches to the crank is an axle, but the point the pedal attaches to is a spindle. Axle is fix mounted, but spindle is loose ended. What makes the spindle different is that you slide over it the other part and then attach it with a nut. So technically you could replace the pedal outside without removing the axle/spindle from the crank by pulling off the dust cap and removing the nut and sliding the pedal body off. This would work if it's sealed cartridge bearings, but if it's loose bearings with cup/cone you'll end up with bearings all over the floor.
So a bike wheel has an axle, as it's fixed on both sides. Well except for a Cannondale Lefty fork, that's probably a spindle. Oh the confusion!
yeah, axis is an imaginary line around which an object spins
Great explanation. This is how I understood the terms as well. I have never seen a physical part referred to as an axis before.
The difference between axle and spindle (shaft) isn't in the way how it is mounted. Axle is rotational mechanical part which doesn't transfer torque whereas shaft does. This is the major difference between these two. That's why pedals have axles and cranks a spindle (a shaft).
I'm a minute and a half into the video and I LOVE YOU SETH!
Dampening also means "make less strong or intense" or (and probably where the confusion came from) "to reduce the amplitude of a sound source."
I'm not saying it's correct, but it's a pretty understandable misnomer
I’m disputing your beef with the word sprocket. They are all sprockets, they have teeth, they engage a chain. Correct terminology trumps industry jargon. Yes it’s a cassette, yes it’s a chain ring, but they are all still sprockets in the end.
I'll add to the chain stretch one, and I hear this from other mechanics all the time: the markings on the tool of 0.5 and 0.75 are NOT 50% and 75% worn as if there's some cap coming at 100%. They mean that the chain is 0.5% or 0.75% longer than it should be, so while a 24 link section of chain, with 1/2" pitch should measure 12" long, a 0.5% wear would mean it actually measures 0.06" longer, or about 12 and 1/16".
An old chain is about half a link longer than a new one
Nice lighting Seth I don’t know if it’s new or the first time I noticed but it looks great
Akshully, dampening and damping both work by definition. Both words can mean to lessen the force of something.
Dirt bikes, they are both sprockets. Front sprocket. Rear sprocket.
I would just like to personally thank Seth for allowing me to never go through the struggle between the difference of flat pedals and clips when I started mountain biking about two years ago because he made it very clear
This whole video is my brain during math class
Good teaching Seth!
Doing gods work with the dampening explanation. Also was hoping for you to mention the people that call a derailleur a mech.
Did learn quite a bit here, and will definitely start correcting people I talk to who say "dampening". lol.
Unpopular opinion though: Language and terminology has been ever changing, and that trend will definitely continue. Popular bicycle terms will always change, too, such as the modern bike design no longer being called a "safety bicycle". If they started putting a doohickey on every bike that's made, yet everyone refers to that part as a thingamabobber, then the terminology will eventually evolve so that everyone just refers to it as a thingamabobber and eventually nobody will know what a doohickey even was, except for a few old timers and enthusiasts.
Here’s an example of a video i never knew I needed but it helped a ton
this was genius some of your best work
Some of these are bit pedantic, but the one that got me was forks. It is one unit, but you don't say, "I'm wearing pant" just because it's a single article of clothing.
I should start doing this now. I already irritate my wife with "teethpaste" (you don't brush just one!).
I hold a fork when eating, not a forks. All the same rationale applies to using singular fork in reference to a bike. And yes, I’m being pedantic not pedantics. 🙂
A pant is a single leg, thus what you normally put on is "a pair of pants". A fork is the collection of tines/prongs/legs, so it is close to saying "putting on a t-shirt" vs "putting on a pair of short sleeves"
More flip bike pls
I love the throwback footage from Greenlawn Skate Park. What a nostalgia hit
The verb dampen can still be used for vibrations. Eg. So and so dampens the vibration. But I think you're right about damping
I love to adjust my preload by dampening my forks 😂
that's the way to do it!
I disagree that dampening doesn't apply. When googling the definition the second one is "make less strong or intense" that feels pretty appropriate to me!
Im not a native speaker so I wanted to translate dampening, I could not find out what he means with the wet paper towels. The only translation I could find was the same as for damping
i did the same thing. i would argue that damping is more correct… however
“-en" is added onto some adjectives to convert them into verbs. In that context, it is used to make the adjective's object more like the adjective. "The floor is not damp. Please dampen the floor." When 'damp' is used as an adjective, it means wet, so to dampen is to make it wet.
Damp is also a complete verb on its own, meaning (primarily) to reduce the amplitude. Adding -en in this context is improper. "That vibration is harsh. Please damp it." It would not make sense to describe a sound as being "not damp" like a floor...so you do not dampen it.
@@jonamcc What a ridiculous display of pedantry, and in the end you’re still not correct.
@@Hornet135 what do you mean i’m not correct. i’m agreeing with everyone else here including Seth. I literally copied and pasted from a Stack Exchange thread that I thought was informative on the matter but I guess fuck me, huh?
I never notice Seth’s NY accent until he says “worter”. It drives me crazier than dampening haha
Today I learned you can not only dampen suspension but also your entire bike. Thank you for this knowledge.
You should rewiew the pilgrips
Dampening means to reduce the severity of something, or deaden. It may not be the appropriate term in mountain bike culture, but the word is not incorrect. It also means to make damp, but I would argue that most people would use the term "moisten" instead of "dampen" in that context.
It reminds me of coffee culture. When making espresso, some people call the tool that tamps the coffee bed down as a tamp, and other call it a tamper. Both are correct, it depends on where you're from.
Edit: corrected the spelling of espresso!
No way you just said expresso
I guess the expresso was clickbait xD
Your point is right, but expresso...
@@duskjester3027 just a typo! Lol I corrected it. "S" is right next to "x" on the keyboard
@@JorgTheElder thank you, you're totally right but I am an English speaker and just made a typo. But thank you for pointing that out!
Fork brace vs fork crown. The part of your fork where the stanchions meet the steerer tube is the crown. The part where the lower legs connect to each other is the brace. Additionally, most DH forks are "dual crown" not "triple crown"
Yes! "Dual crown" and "triple clamp" need to be added to the list. And suspension terms: "Fork" vs. "Shock". Your shock is the rear suspension.
Thank you!!!! Hearing people talking about suspension dampening drive me insane! I do think you might be slightly wrong about the BB spindle discussion though. For sure, an old school BB like a square taper does in fact include the spindle as part of the complete BB unit. But I challenge that the example you showed, an external BB, actually includes a spindle in and of itself.
Ya know I saw in an old berm peak video Sam Pilgrim commented about riding with you, sooooooo.......
While not used in mountain bike conversations, the phrase "high rate of speed" annoys me because speed is already a rate.
What do you mean? Speed can be fast or slow. A high rate of speed and a low rate of speed are both correct statements. What would you use in replacement for the word speed?
High speed or low speed. Simple.
That makes no sense....at all. So it's impossible to rate things from 1-10, because things are already a rate ?? EXPLAIN.
@@wrenchdoozer so you just dislike the word “rate” ? 😂
I often hear people use “pedals”, when referring to their cranks. Could lead to a little confusion on a phone call with a repair shop. Thanks Seth!
I had two anaphylaxis episodes for the first time last week. And honestly this video made me very happy 😁 was laughing so hard 😂
Best saying I heard to remember how to say it: "You dampen diapers, and your damping controls suspension movements"
"You dampen diapers, you damp suspension movement."
never thought the day would come where I could not finish watching a berm peak video...
I've always wondered about the clip-less pedal terminology, it never really made sense to me. Thanks for the old school visual aid.
Dampen: transitive verb
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: to check or diminish the activity or vigor of : deaden
It looks like "dampening" could easily refer to the suspension clickers. (Per Merriam-Webster.)
So annoying when people call a fork a “forks”- glad you called that one out
I'm bad about saying 'forks' or fork, even in the same sentence. Half the time, I call it the shocks. I've only been mountain biking for a year. So, I'm still figuring it out. Also, I've been trying to figure out the whole 'chainring' 'sprocket' 'cog' nomenclature. I came to the conclusion that everyone says something different. But, what makes sense to me is: a chain ring is a ring that attaches to a crank set typically with four fasteners like you show in the video. A sprocket is a toothed disk used to provide power to a chain. A cog receives power from a chain and delivers it to the wheel. That's just my opinion. Thanks for another great video!
Sprocket V Chainring. On a BMX bike it is a sprocket, it has to do with the attachment style and not whether its front or rear. A sprocket attaches directly to the spindle, but a chain ring mounts usually to the crank, but sometimes to an adapter that is mounted to the spindle. Now that high end MTB bikes have gone back to spindle mounted gears in the front of high end bikes, its a case of losing the old terminology and now we call them chainrings, but it ain't right.
A wheel is still a wheel without a tire. And thank you for the “fork” clarification it drives me nuts when I hear “forks”
After months of reading online reviews, I knew I needed a 1X drivetrain. It wasn't until talking to several different bike shops someone finally told me it was pronounced "One By" not "One Ex"
I've said fork end and axis incorrectly for years, as dropout and spindle. I will continue to do so! Great video as always, Seth.
An axis is the geometric term for a pedal's spindle. But mechanically it functions as an "axle".not a spindle. But the common nomenclature, is to refer to it as a "spindle".
But he kept referring to just the threads, which I didn't know had a separate name?
This video was genius Seth!
"Clipless" pedals are called that because there's no toe plate that clips to the pedal (thus, toe clip).
As for chain stretch, while the individual links may not stretch, the wallowing action on the pins does result in the overall length of the chain increasing, which is to say it stretches.
This video is about language pedantry; everyone knows what chain stretch means regarding chain wear but strictly speaking, chains elongate or get longer with wear; they don't stretch.
Thank you for this. It needed to be done.
I swear this is the most wholesome man on youtube. He is the father i wish i had
This is an advanced English class! You should have started with seen/saw, there/their/they’re, your/you’re 😂
Seth putting wohder on his fohrk to dampening it made my day
"My rim is bent would be technically true..." Um.. if your rim is bent, then it's not true...LOL Great video. The one I am going to have a hard time with is "forks"... I know you're right, but I have years of saying wrong to get over!
The close up last "dampening" had me LOL!
Now I learned a lot of terms so I don’t have to call everything “The Spinny Thingy”
The olive shaped component that is squished into the mouth of a compression fitting with a nut is called a ferrule.
To my knowledge, the hole in the frame is the bottom bracket shell. The thingy with the ball bearings is the bottom bracket. The all-in-one with the spindle like the square taper BB or Octalink is what Shimano call bottom bracket cartridge.
I think some clarification and correction is necessary for the bottom bracket:
A bottom bracket can only have one spindle (though some rare variations have a two-piece spindle that is splined together in the middle). A two piece crank has the spindle pressed (or otherwise attached) to one of the arms, and the other arm is usually fixed by a pinch bolt (though that is technically a screw, because it is threaded into the arm, not a nut). Some aftermarket cranks have a removable spindle so you can use the same arms for road, mountain, fat bike, etc. chainlines.
The center piece between the bearings and bearing cups of a two piece crank is most definitely not a spindle. Per Shimano (the inventors of this style crankset), that is simply an inner cover. All it is doing is keeping internal frame crud and cables away from the spindle and bearings.
A square taper or splined Octalink style bottom bracket also has a spindle. These do not come with the cranks. Most of these bottom brackets today are 'cartridge bottom brackets' with integral shell, bearings, seals, and spindle. Older and cheaper bikes will have cup and cone bottom brackets.
Speaking of cup and cone, Shimano style cup and cone bearing hubs are not 'unsealed', nor is 'sealed bearings' a good term for sealed cartridge bearings. The key word is 'cartridge', which indicates that the bearing is a cartridge (inner and outer races, balls or rollers, and cage, with an optional shield [not airtight, only for grease flow control] or seal) that can be easily replaced as a unit. All good bearings on bikes are sealed, whether they're cup and cone or cartridge. So if the term 'sealed cartridge bearing' is too long, 'cartridge bearing' should be the shortened form.
Almost 1 million subscribers good job
after a bit of research I am amazed with how expensive bikes are