You know, I didn't expect much out of this video, but it's REALLY useful for those of us who don't yet own Teslas (or an EV). Thanks so much for putting it out on the interwebs :)
Superb video. Very clear. Very concise. Complete absence of presenter gimmickry. And no stupid music playing when the presenter is speaking, so the only sound is the voice of the presenter and metallic clear click of the devices being connected - really. Thank you!
Attention off-grid folks: :Tesla advises to keep your car plugged in when not in use )ie when you get home from work). But like me, what if you do NOT have a 110 service, I live off-grid in a house I built myself, There are separate and redundant systems for each area: living room kitchen, bathroom etc. I bought my long range model 3 on June 2, 2021 in Portland OR and charged it 100% in Bend Oregon. (356 miles) I live 135 miles east in Christmas Valley and arrived with 219 miles. Over the course of the next three days I drove less than 8 miles a day but every morning I showed a loss of an additional 20 miles. Tesla explained that one can never shut the Tesla off as there are numerous component that require power. I got a bit nervous as I only had 150 miles of range left and the nearest Supercharger was in Klamath Falls Oregon 130 miles west. I made it with 12 miles of range remaining. So range is an elusive number. It depends on your use of the air conditioner and how often you make it go super fast. Prior to purchasing my model 3 I asked all over the internet how I could use the sun to charge at home. (True, I could have gone a mile or so to a neighbor to charge overnight but elected not to.) So here is my solution: I bought 8 one hundred watt solar panels i wired in parallel to make 24 volts and then in series (four 24 volts) which cost about $800 with the cables and clamps. An MPPT charge controller accepting 12 or 24 volts which cost $279, two 12 volt deep cycle batteries costing $280 and a 10,000 watt modified sine wave inverter costing $229. Cables and fuses cost another $134, For a grand total of $1801. This inverter provides 220 volts and charges 28 miles per hour.Anyone living off grid with no access to 110 might find my solution will work for them. In short you may not need to visit a supercharger that often.
My ex-gF would attest to this. She pulled out a dryer connector LIVE and the Spark jumping from the outlet to the cable plug in her hand was like a bolt of lightning! Of course, I would have turned Off the circuit breaker first, but she thought she knew better!
Depends which part. You definitively should not pull out the part going to the socket on the wall while the car is charging. The plug that do plug to the car, usually does lock. But even if it not locks (due to mechanical failure, or a really low temperature), when you pull it out, the car will detect that the signal pins are disconnected and the power is still flowing, but the charging unit is not communicating anymore. Within milisecond the car will stop charging. By the time you reach the point of disconnecting the pins that do carry current, there would be no current flowing anymore, preventing any arcing. Still, don't do it! Go to the car and stop charging. Or to the wall unit and tell it to tell the car to stop. Only when you see no current, or the proper color of the light in the car, unplug the plug.
@Jack Redford In the car you can terminate charging. On most charging units, there might also be a button to tell the car to stop charging. There might be more options. But never unplug the plug from the wall first. Always disconnect the plug in the car first. And same in reverse. First plug to the wall. Then plug the car. Read the manual of the car and the charging unit (EVSE - electric vehicle supply equipement) before using it.
@Jack Redford The DRYER was disconnected. The outlet was LIVE as was the Circuit breaker to the dryer outlet. We had not installed the 240 volt plug wires into the dryer... She was carrying them in her hand, not realizing the rear end of the wires were touching each other. So as she approached the outlet with the plug end the AC arc'ed at her from the outlet... Scaring the BeJesus out of her!
I've watched this video twice now and I chuckle every time it begins. First it is very informative and well made and I thank you for sharing it. Now, back to my chuckling. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's there was an old moonshiner in our county, when you visited him (and bought some of his moonshine) he would say "Thanks for stopping by.' The chuckle comes when I think of his grave marker, which says across the bottom, "Thanks for stopping by."
A chinese guy listened your video :) it is so easy to understand your voice and your information is clearly conveyed to me. It makes me to think about my professor at mcgill university. You did a good job, sir
When I got my solar, I included a NEMA 14-50 outlet. I used the mobile connector that came with my Model Y with a NEMA 14-50 adapter for about a week and wasn’t satisfied with the 27 miles an hour. I figured the most cost effective solution was to buy the Tesla mobile charger that had the dedicated NEMA 14-50 plug for about $600 with tax vs. $1,500 to have the V3 charger hard wired. I get a satisfactory 37 miles an hour and don’t have to plug and unplug the charger from the outlet.
I did not know that there is a dedicated 14-50 mobile charger. I just bought the 14-50 adapter for the charger that came with the car. Never had trouble getting to a 85% charge from 20% (or less) overnight. The adapter cost $30. I'm not going to spend $600. Also why do you have to plug and unplug the charger from the outlet?
I assume your "solar" is a grid tied type and not stand alone. 50 amps pulling off a stand alone system would be way too much for most systems. We don't even like to use electric heaters which pull about 12 amps.
Good point to plug the J1772 adaptor into the car 1st then the charging cable into the adaptor.. I would not have thought to do it in that sequence. It’s not obvious. It’s good you pointed that out.
I've been studying joining the Model 3 group of owners. I have to admit that the aspect of managing the task of charging on a cross country trip is somewhat daunting. The added time to the trip for recharging stops is taking me some time to work out. Anyway, nice explanation and well delivered. Great job!
In my experience, a long day on a road trip covering 500 to 600 miles includes 3 or 4 charging stops, each about 20 minutes. You can do fewer longer charging sessions if desired. I usually charge while eating lunch, so that one doesn't waste any time. Overall slightly less convenient than gas stations, but not remotely difficult. For everyday usage it's super convenient if you can plug in at home. Never need to stop for gas on your way to work. No waiting for the car to fill up. Start each day with a full tank, so to speak.
On a gas vehicle, I stop every couple of hours for pee or snack breaks. I see charging time as a matter of time management. Look for Superchargers along your route using your cars map program. These chargers take a few minutes to charge and those same breaks won't add any time to your road trip if you use them while you eat a meal or spend time in the bathroom. If you plan to stay overnight in a hotel, many hotels offer Charging stations to charge while you sleep. Someeven give the charging for free, although they may not all be Superchargers, the time spent charging would not affect your trips duration in overall time.
The onboard navigation calculates the stops and charging. If you have to eat and use the restroom then do it when it charges instead of fuel for 5 and park for 20 while you eat and use the restroom
Good to know about the adaptors, thanks. 220 volts really made charging at home a non event. So much easier than going to a gas station. No way would I ever consider owning an ICE vehicle ever again. I save $1500 in fuel every year, which adds up, and electric performance is so much more pleasant and fun.
Most of these EV vids just serve to make us "Comfortably Numb" Their lips move but we just can’t hear what they’re saying. You are a treasure of info👍. Just got our model Y. So.. "Wish You Were Here".
I believe it is mostly to communicate between multiple wall connectors, i.e. if they are on a shared circuit, or on separate circuits, but there is a combined limit on the building supply.
You got me when talking about charging a Tesla but then the Pink Floyd t-shirt was icing on the cake! I have the original “Dark Side of the Moon” album in 33 and it still sounds phenomenal!!
This was the most informative video I have seen on Tesla charging... No Jibber Jabber straight to the point with great explanation... Thank you this helped a lot.
A great tutorial. The official term for those "boxes" you plug into your car is Electric Vehicle Service Equipment aka EVSE. And FWIW I NEVER touch the plug on my Clipper Creek HCS-50P with a NEMA 14-50 plug until I switch off that breaker.
There's nothing wrong with turning off your breaker, of course, but you will - over time - wear it out faster. Probably not an issue in real life, but turning it off before plugging in the NEMA 14-50 plug really is unnecessary. Save yourself the time and bother; I promise you this will NOT be an issue for you. Really.
@@bobham3471 good info, and to be honest since we bought our Tesla Model Y I’m using the J1772 adapter they provide and it charges my Tesla at 9 kW or 35 mph so that’s the only thing I need to touch charging our Volt and Tesla. I thought I’d have to share that plug between the CC and Tesla EVSE.
We bought a VW ID.4 a little over a year ago use a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet to provide power to our Electrify America EVSE in the garage. That charges our ID.4 and recently has taken on additional duties keeping our 2022 Model 3 charged up. The included J1772 to NACS connector for Tesla came in handy. We charge 95% at home and it works well for us. Great video...
Just ordered my Y! And, I had that same T shirt in the 70s. Old people in Teslas with a Pink Floyd Tshirt are beyond cool. ( I wish I still had that shirt, loved it ). Great video. Thanks!!!
Nice video :). A friendly correction regarding the 120VAC/15A circuit. At 80%, one can expect to be provided with 120VAC/12A which works out to 1440W (1.44kW). In your video, it stated 2500W which is incorrect. Possibly a typo as one could say 1500W at near 80%. Liked and Subscribed!
The standard in new houses these days for 120 volt circuits is 20 amps, so you can set the charge rate to 16 amps provided that it is a dedicated circuit.
I think you MIGHT be able to do that if you can get the appropriate connector from Tesla, and maybe you can, cuz I don't know! What I do know is that the 120V connector supplied with the Tesla charger cable is a 15A connector and they're not going to try to pump 16A through it, cuz that puts an unacceptable over-stress on the connector and the wiring connecting to it. The outlets you're talking about CAN provide 20A IF your 120V/20A plug has a horizontal "hot" connector; the 15A connector does not. Both types will fit into a 20A female outlet, but the 120V male plug supplied by Tesla does NOT have a horizontal "hot" pin, and is therefor expected by Tesla to supply the system with 15A, not 20A. That means that with that connector, Tesla assumes only 15A are available for use, even though the female wall connector COULD supply 20A if Tesla was willing to accept it. With the 15A adapter, Tesla will accept only 15A, not 20A. And then they turn it down further to 80% of that, or 12A. If they thought you wanted to plug into the same outlet with a 120V/20A plug, they'd have provided it and the Tesla box would have taken that into account and set up the Tesla charging circuit accordingly. However, I do not know whether or not they sell a 120V/20A plug-in adapter, but I'm going to try to find out today, as I think that could be useful under some circumstances far away from home.
@@bobham3471 Tesla does sell the 20A /120V adapter with the horizontal prong. If I was to use that, I would have to run the cable from the kitchen to the garage, lol.
@@PurpleSideBlack So there are no 120V/20A outlets in your garage, eh? Are there any 120V/15A outlets there? I don't have any idea, of course, where your breaker or fuse box is located, but might it be possible to do a fairly easy run of #12 wire from the electrical box to a convenient location in your garage? My calculations show you might get maybe 6.5 miles or range per hour of charging at 16A. Even at 5.5 or 6 miles of range per hour of charging beats 4 miles/hour of charging with a 15A circuit. Please note, however, that if you can make a fairly easy wire run of #12 wire for a 120V outlet, you should be able to do the same run using #8 or #6 wire and end up with a 240V/50A circuit instead. Tesla will draw 32A from it, but 240V @ 32A is MUCH better than 120V @ 16A. Four times the power (double the voltage and double the current = quadruple the power). Good luck!
By code, a 14-50 outlet must be connected to a 50 amp breaker. Of course, when I installed the outlet in my second house I could only fit in a 30 amp breaker so I do have to limit it down below the default 40 amps ( I have an older USMC before they nerfed it ). I did also lower it at my old house though because 40 amps got the cable pretty warm.
Phil, be careful here. The nec article 625. Car power transfer, calls for you to rate your car charger as a continuous load and the circuit rated at 125% of the load served. So, a 50 amp breaker and wire can only run a 40 amp charger and so on. Remember that it is the maximum charger rating us where you start. So, if you charger max is 30 amps (no matter the setting you select.....maximum) you need a 40 amp circuit for the 37.5 amp rating. Good luck.
@@keithharrington4595 My point was to distinguish between what is required by code, and what is safe and/or possible in my circumstance. I'm quite aware that code says I should not have wired it this way, but that was the best I could do and given that I limit the charging current the car actually pulls even lower than the breaker, it is perfectly safe. Even if I ran it at the full 30 amps the breaker allows, it would still be perfectly safe given the 50 amp rated wires.
I just got the wall connector. That way I don’t have to get he mobile out of the car and then pack it away every time we leave. And, I never want to be out and let the mobile at home. Good info, thank you.
I was doing research all day to put together a full cost plan for when I buy a car. Project for the day was charging. You helped answer my final charging questions. Thank you!
They should have made the Tesla badge in the black V2 wall charger glow red or green or yellow too with that green vertical original light depends on what it's doing, would look way more futuristic.
80 A is a hell of a better charging rate than 50. Sounds like the new charger is a piece of crap that charges slower than the 80 A one, is the 80 A one still available? Why would they do something so stupid?
FYI, in a split-phase 240V system like we have in the US, each individual phase runs at 120V relative to ground & neutral. Unless you somehow manage to touch both of the hot legs simultaneously, that 240V outlet isn't any more dangerous than a 120V outlet.
EV Dave is GREAT! Here is a guy who clearly knows what he is talking about and can communicate to the lay public. Like many people I had a lot of questions about and also an unclear understanding about home charging. He was able to answer these in a very clear and concise fashion. Thanks to EV Dave I now know how to proceed. Many thanks Dave!!
@@berndgrabitz yes you have a good point. Euro 2 pin and the UK plug both go in super deep before contacting. But that's no excuse to drop household voltages to 120v. And even the 120v plug contacts while still exposed. Silly design
Actually 240 v in the US only has a 120 volt potential to ground. So unless you make contact with both "hot" blades at the same time you are getting the same shock as you'd get from 120 v
The voltage isn't as bad as the amperage on that circuit. I found this out while installing a dryer circuit. I accidentally turned it on (thinking it was on when it was off) and fortunately I checked to make sure before I touched it. The smart way to do this is with an ammeter. The quick and stupid way that I used was to bridge the contacts with my screwdriver. Bottom line, I welded the screwdriver across the contacts and put on quite the fireworks display! Learned my lesson on that one.
This was a terrific primer! I have the Gen 3 wall connector, NEMA 14-50 connector and pick up my Model Y on a few days. Looking forward to exploring and learning.
Turning off the circuit breaker will prevent the circuit from arcing when you push the plug in against the internal contacts (though it shouldn't do this if there is yet no load on the device.) More importantly, it is also possible to reach the contacts with your fingertips after they become energized and before the plug is fully inserted. Notice on the side view as he inserts the plug how much of the prongs are still exposed while it is going in. If you become part of a 50 amp, 240 volt circuit, you will likely be thrown across the room and knocked unconscious, and that's the best possible outcome!
@@inediblenut thats not what he meant when we said dont pull it hot. Hes talking about not pulling the connector out of the car while its still charging. What you described is the concern about plugging in the Nema 14-50 connector into the wall port. I am also curious about what would happen if you accidentally tried to pull the connector out of the car without first hitting the "stop charging" button first, would it cause a spark?
@@s.n.6338 you should not be able to pull the plug out from the car while it's charging because it locks itself to the vehicle. You have to stop and wait (the indicator light changes color) until it's ready to be removed.
Pulling the NEMA 14-50 plug out of the wall jack with the car still charging will most certainly not result in anything other than minimal sparks and no damage to the car. It interrupts the power to the car charging circuitry unexpectedly, but that happens in the real world whenever there's a power outage; think storms and lightning strikes and branches falling across electrical lines and car running into and knocking over utility poles. Even squirrels playing around and running along the high-tension wires and run where the shouldn't, frying themselves and blowing the inline circuit breakers up on the utility pole. Utility workers refer to squirrels as "fuzzy-tailed rats" because they get so tire of re-setting the breaker that are constantly getting tripped by these animals. These events happen on a regular basis, and Tesla has designed their charging systems to simply twiddle their little electrical thumbs until the power comes back, and then they get back to the task at hand.... charging your car. As far as getting thrown across the room if you slip up and inadvertently touch one of the silver connectors as the male power plug is being inserted into the female power receptacle on the wall, the MOST you're likely to feel will be a modest little shock that will cause you to jerk your hand back rapidly. Flying across the room is highly unlikely, unless you're Superman or the Flying Nun. The rules of electricity are to wear dry rubber shoes if you're standing on concrete, put a dry rubber mat between you and the floor, keep the floor dry and keep one hand behind your back. Keep your fingers away from the metal prongs on the plug. They will NOT reach out to bite you, and you, smart little person that you are, will be careful to NOT REACH OUT and Touch Them as you're plugging the thing in! This is NOT particularly dangerous unless you're a knucklehead. DON'T BE THAT GUY! If you're walking barefoot on a basement floor, even if it appears to be dry, you DON'T mess with electricity. THAT is a good way to wake up DEAD the next morning!
That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on an electric car. It's to slow for the way of life were all use to. It most definitely needs to be much faster than what it is now!!
We are waiting on our model 3, and have a 50 amp Rv plug, so we can plug the adapter into the Rv 50 amp and charge the car. That’s great, as we know we’re most of the Rv parks are in Texas.
Dave, great job. This Source Equipment video will help many EV enthusiasts. I’ve learned so much from installing 2 Nema 14-50 receptacles, one 3 years ago and one 3 weeks ago. For safety when using the mobile connector (UMC) leave it plugged in all the time or very rarely unplug it for a road trip. Many invest in a second UMC. You avoid possibility of electrical shock AND don’t wear out receptacle which can easily catch fire. If you have the $6 - 14-50 receptacle, it is only good for about a dozen insertions. The $50 version is good for hundreds. When using the UMC, get a holster for it and a hanger to neatly hold 18 ft cord. I also invested in a low cost 3D printed holster for charger handle to make sure it didn’t fall on the ground . If you decide to buy a 2nd UMC, try to find a gen1 because it will deliver 40A vs 32A, for 20% more charging speed.
@@evdave528 Yes, Wall Connector is good for safety and higher charge rate at 48 vs 40A, but it’s $500. I am waiting for new WC software that uses it’s WiFi to directly bill the user for electricity used. Apartments, condominiums, and HOA’s need this capability to support EV adoption.
Excellent ! Best I've heard on how to charge an EV. You make a hard thing much easier to understand . Thanks again. Look forward to learning more about how to charge my Model 3.
That's true, guys. The very first time I took my S to a supercharger, I couldn't figure out how to open the charge port. Just stood there looking (and feeling) very stupid. Fortunately, another guy charging his Tesla saw how perplexed I was and came over and showed me what to do. (Now, even my 13 year old Granddaughter can do it better than I can!) I've found Tesla owners seem to all be very helpful and happy to give you useful advice and hands-on help whenever you need it! Join the club! It's great!
Thank you very much for your informative video. I’m in the process of installing my Tesla wall charger and you had great information as to what I should look for when selecting an electrician. Have a great day.
Some people do not have 200 amp service. My town house only has 100 amp service. When talking about 240 Volts, it seems to me that the first thing one should determine is: What gauge of wire is caring those 240 volts and what amperage the circuit breaker is on that wire.
It depends on the appliance the 240V circuit is for. My dryer uses 22A @ 240VAC, so I use a 240V/30A breaker with #10 copper wires (10/3 plus ground). The run length is about 30 feet, which means that the loss due to heat dissipated in the resistance of the wire is about 1.5V, allowing the dryer to see a full 238.5V. If you're going to charge your car using a dryer line, adjust the car down to use 24A maximum so as not to overload the wiring/outlets/etc. This may well change depending on line length; do yourself a favor and pay a professional who knows what the hell he or she is doing. Better not to burn the house down and have it fall over in flames on your new Tesla just to save a few bucks!
Thanks for this info. Definitely the way to go having home charging. That 240v connector was massive compared to what we have in Australia where 240v is the standard voltage with 415v on 3 phase. I like the idea of being able to dial down the charge rate so you are not running the power circuit at its maximum continuously. A lot better for longevity and safety especially if you are doing it overnight. A lot of videos concentrate on driving the cars but you have addressed the practical aspects which is pretty rare and gives some hard info on actual charging rates and times.
Thanks for all your videos and introductions to novices. I'm trying to do the same with my new Tesla Y. I really wanted to thank you for the tip about the adapter placement first. I had missed that in the manual.
Our homes all have 240v 60 to 100 amps via below ground cable . This goes to a metre and then to a consumer board.every outlet is 13amps 3000watts basic outlet for the cooker is 45 amps, The most basic ev home charger is 16amp 7.7kw single phase But most go for 22kw 32 amp
No, you set the charge current yourself in the car to suit your charging capabilities. You can also set when it starts charging it’s all done in the car screen
You know, I didn't expect much out of this video, but it's REALLY useful for those of us who don't yet own Teslas (or an EV). Thanks so much for putting it out on the interwebs :)
Best description of charging I’ve seen and I’m thinking you may be a teacher. 👍
Superb video. Very clear. Very concise. Complete absence of presenter gimmickry. And no stupid music playing when the presenter is speaking, so the only sound is the voice of the presenter and metallic clear click of the devices being connected - really. Thank you!
Amen on no annoying music
Attention off-grid folks: :Tesla advises to keep your car plugged in when not in use )ie when you get home from work). But like me, what if you do NOT have a 110 service, I live off-grid in a house I built myself, There are separate and redundant systems for each area: living room kitchen, bathroom etc. I bought my long range model 3 on June 2, 2021 in Portland OR and charged it 100% in Bend Oregon. (356 miles) I live 135 miles east in Christmas Valley and arrived with 219 miles. Over the course of the next three days I drove less than 8 miles a day but every morning I showed a loss of an additional 20 miles. Tesla explained that one can never shut the Tesla off as there are numerous component that require power. I got a bit nervous as I only had 150 miles of range left and the nearest Supercharger was in Klamath Falls Oregon 130 miles west. I made it with 12 miles of range remaining. So range is an elusive number. It depends on your use of the air conditioner and how often you make it go super fast.
Prior to purchasing my model 3 I asked all over the internet how I could use the sun to charge at home. (True, I could have gone a mile or so to a neighbor to charge overnight but elected not to.) So here is my solution: I bought 8 one hundred watt solar panels i wired in parallel to make 24 volts and then in series (four 24 volts) which cost about $800 with the cables and clamps. An MPPT charge controller accepting 12 or 24 volts which cost $279, two 12 volt deep cycle batteries costing $280 and a 10,000 watt modified sine wave inverter costing $229. Cables and fuses cost another $134, For a grand total of $1801. This inverter provides 220 volts and charges 28 miles per hour.Anyone living off grid with no access to 110 might find my solution will work for them. In short you may not need to visit a supercharger that often.
With the exception of “how to insert a 120V plug into a wall outlet”, I found this very informative. Thank you, sir.
The statement “never pull it (out of the adapter) hot” was an eye opener. Never heard this before. Good to know.
My ex-gF would attest to this. She pulled out a dryer connector LIVE and the Spark jumping from the outlet to the cable plug in her hand was like a bolt of lightning! Of course, I would have turned Off the circuit breaker first, but she thought she knew better!
Depends which part. You definitively should not pull out the part going to the socket on the wall while the car is charging. The plug that do plug to the car, usually does lock. But even if it not locks (due to mechanical failure, or a really low temperature), when you pull it out, the car will detect that the signal pins are disconnected and the power is still flowing, but the charging unit is not communicating anymore. Within milisecond the car will stop charging. By the time you reach the point of disconnecting the pins that do carry current, there would be no current flowing anymore, preventing any arcing. Still, don't do it! Go to the car and stop charging. Or to the wall unit and tell it to tell the car to stop. Only when you see no current, or the proper color of the light in the car, unplug the plug.
@Jack Redford In the car you can terminate charging. On most charging units, there might also be a button to tell the car to stop charging. There might be more options. But never unplug the plug from the wall first. Always disconnect the plug in the car first. And same in reverse. First plug to the wall. Then plug the car. Read the manual of the car and the charging unit (EVSE - electric vehicle supply equipement) before using it.
@Jack Redford The DRYER was disconnected. The outlet was LIVE as was the Circuit breaker to the dryer outlet. We had not installed the 240 volt plug wires into the dryer... She was carrying them in her hand, not realizing the rear end of the wires were touching each other. So as she approached the outlet with the plug end the AC arc'ed at her from the outlet... Scaring the BeJesus out of her!
@Jack Redford I AGREE!
Thank you for being accurate not calling the mobile connector/wall connector a charger.
I've watched this video twice now and I chuckle every time it begins. First it is very informative and well made and I thank you for sharing it.
Now, back to my chuckling. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's there was an old moonshiner in our county, when you visited him (and bought some of his moonshine) he would say "Thanks for stopping by.' The chuckle comes when I think of his grave marker, which says across the bottom, "Thanks for stopping by."
I just love listening to the gentle man talking
A chinese guy listened your video :) it is so easy to understand your voice and your information is clearly conveyed to me. It makes me to think about my professor at mcgill university. You did a good job, sir
When I got my solar, I included a NEMA 14-50 outlet. I used the mobile connector that came with my Model Y with a NEMA 14-50 adapter for about a week and wasn’t satisfied with the 27 miles an hour. I figured the most cost effective solution was to buy the Tesla mobile charger that had the dedicated NEMA 14-50 plug for about $600 with tax vs. $1,500 to have the V3 charger hard wired. I get a satisfactory 37 miles an hour and don’t have to plug and unplug the charger from the outlet.
I did not know that there is a dedicated 14-50 mobile charger. I just bought the 14-50 adapter for the charger that came with the car. Never had trouble getting to a 85% charge from 20% (or less) overnight. The adapter cost $30. I'm not going to spend $600. Also why do you have to plug and unplug the charger from the outlet?
Thuan Le you should keep a charger in your car while traveling. Just in case you don’t have access to a car charger.
Roy Miller check your breaker, you may only have a 40 amp breaker. I have a 50 amp breaker so I can get up to 37 miles per hour charge rate.
I assume your "solar" is a grid tied type and not stand alone. 50 amps pulling off a stand alone system would be way too much for most systems. We don't even like to use electric heaters which pull about 12 amps.
Good point to plug the J1772 adaptor into the car 1st then the charging cable into the adaptor.. I would not have thought to do it in that sequence. It’s not obvious. It’s good you pointed that out.
I've been studying joining the Model 3 group of owners. I have to admit that the aspect of managing the task of charging on a cross country trip is somewhat daunting. The added time to the trip for recharging stops is taking me some time to work out. Anyway, nice explanation and well delivered. Great job!
In my experience, a long day on a road trip covering 500 to 600 miles includes 3 or 4 charging stops, each about 20 minutes. You can do fewer longer charging sessions if desired. I usually charge while eating lunch, so that one doesn't waste any time. Overall slightly less convenient than gas stations, but not remotely difficult.
For everyday usage it's super convenient if you can plug in at home. Never need to stop for gas on your way to work. No waiting for the car to fill up. Start each day with a full tank, so to speak.
On a gas vehicle, I stop every couple of hours for pee or snack breaks. I see charging time as a matter of time management. Look for Superchargers along your route using your cars map program. These chargers take a few minutes to charge and those same breaks won't add any time to your road trip if you use them while you eat a meal or spend time in the bathroom. If you plan to stay overnight in a hotel, many hotels offer Charging stations to charge while you sleep. Someeven give the charging for free, although they may not all be Superchargers, the time spent charging would not affect your trips duration in overall time.
The onboard navigation calculates the stops and charging. If you have to eat and use the restroom then do it when it charges instead of fuel for 5 and park for 20 while you eat and use the restroom
This is by far the most complete video about the different charging methods.
"Difficult it is not" - Yoda
Good to know about the adaptors, thanks. 220 volts really made charging at home a non event. So much easier than going to a gas station. No way would I ever consider owning an ICE vehicle ever again. I save $1500 in fuel every year, which adds up, and electric performance is so much more pleasant and fun.
Great info... Planning to order my Model Y (first Tesla) and this info is valuable to me.
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@@evdave528 ha ha! I've had my Model Y for 6 months now and I do love it! Thanks!
Most of these EV vids just serve to make us "Comfortably Numb" Their lips move but we just can’t hear what they’re saying. You are a treasure of info👍. Just got our model Y. So.. "Wish You Were Here".
Great you will love it
I didn’t realize the v3 wall connector did the sharing protocol via WiFi. That’s great!
I believe it is mostly to communicate between multiple wall connectors, i.e. if they are on a shared circuit, or on separate circuits, but there is a combined limit on the building supply.
Great job Dave..am i newbie and very non-technical ....seriously considering new Model Y....now i understand the basics of charging an electric car.
I subscribed in 12 seconds because of the Floyd shirt.
You got me when talking about charging a Tesla but then the Pink Floyd t-shirt was icing on the cake! I have the original “Dark Side of the Moon” album in 33 and it still sounds phenomenal!!
Ok I thought you were talking about George Floyd.
@@kingstonzincfence George who???
I had no idea the Wall mounted connectors did power sharing! This video was an excellent explanation.
This was the most informative video I have seen on Tesla charging... No Jibber Jabber straight to the point with great explanation... Thank you this helped a lot.
I watched 15 videos, finally found the best explanation 👍👍👍
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Thank you
Really-really the best video about tesla chargers! Thanks a lot
Agree
One of the best EV charging video !
A great tutorial. The official term for those "boxes" you plug into your car is Electric Vehicle Service Equipment aka EVSE. And FWIW I NEVER touch the plug on my Clipper Creek HCS-50P with a NEMA 14-50 plug until I switch off that breaker.
I'm curious. Why switch off the breaker. Is it not GFCI?
There's nothing wrong with turning off your breaker, of course, but you will - over time - wear it out faster. Probably not an issue in real life, but turning it off before plugging in the NEMA 14-50 plug really is unnecessary. Save yourself the time and bother; I promise you this will NOT be an issue for you. Really.
@@bobham3471 good info, and to be honest since we bought our Tesla Model Y I’m using the J1772 adapter they provide and it charges my Tesla at 9 kW or 35 mph so that’s the only thing I need to touch charging our Volt and Tesla. I thought I’d have to share that plug between the CC and Tesla EVSE.
Clear, concise video. I finally understand charging at home!
What a wonderful channel. I'm glad this was recommended to me from UA-cam.
We bought a VW ID.4 a little over a year ago use a 240V NEMA 14-50 outlet to provide power to our Electrify America EVSE in the garage. That charges our ID.4 and recently has taken on additional duties keeping our 2022 Model 3 charged up. The included J1772 to NACS connector for Tesla came in handy. We charge 95% at home and it works well for us. Great video...
I really like the way he explained everything you need to know 😊👍 like it 😊😁 thanks again
The best explanation about tesla charging I have seen on youtube. Thanks
Hey Dave!
Nice video sir.
You and I met at the Cybertruck event. We both stood in awe as it rolled on stage! Hope you are enjoying your Y.
Ray, Yes Sir I remember, hope your good. Drop me an email at evdaveshow@ Gmail.com
Just ordered my Y! And, I had that same T shirt in the 70s. Old people in Teslas with a Pink Floyd Tshirt are beyond cool. ( I wish I still had that shirt, loved it ). Great video. Thanks!!!
Congrats on your car you will love it
Nice video :). A friendly correction regarding the 120VAC/15A circuit. At 80%, one can expect to be provided with 120VAC/12A which works out to 1440W (1.44kW). In your video, it stated 2500W which is incorrect. Possibly a typo as one could say 1500W at near 80%.
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also, 240v x 50 amps = 12,000 watts.
The standard in new houses these days for 120 volt circuits is 20 amps, so you can set the charge rate to 16 amps provided that it is a dedicated circuit.
I think you MIGHT be able to do that if you can get the appropriate connector from Tesla, and maybe you can, cuz I don't know! What I do know is that the 120V connector supplied with the Tesla charger cable is a 15A connector and they're not going to try to pump 16A through it, cuz that puts an unacceptable over-stress on the connector and the wiring connecting to it. The outlets you're talking about CAN provide 20A IF your 120V/20A plug has a horizontal "hot" connector; the 15A connector does not. Both types will fit into a 20A female outlet, but the 120V male plug supplied by Tesla does NOT have a horizontal "hot" pin, and is therefor expected by Tesla to supply the system with 15A, not 20A. That means that with that connector, Tesla assumes only 15A are available for use, even though the female wall connector COULD supply 20A if Tesla was willing to accept it. With the 15A adapter, Tesla will accept only 15A, not 20A. And then they turn it down further to 80% of that, or 12A. If they thought you wanted to plug into the same outlet with a 120V/20A plug, they'd have provided it and the Tesla box would have taken that into account and set up the Tesla charging circuit accordingly. However, I do not know whether or not they sell a 120V/20A plug-in adapter, but I'm going to try to find out today, as I think that could be useful under some circumstances far away from home.
@@bobham3471 Tesla does sell the 20A /120V adapter with the horizontal prong.
If I was to use that, I would have to run the cable from the kitchen to the garage, lol.
@@PurpleSideBlack So there are no 120V/20A outlets in your garage, eh? Are there any 120V/15A outlets there? I don't have any idea, of course, where your breaker or fuse box is located, but might it be possible to do a fairly easy run of #12 wire from the electrical box to a convenient location in your garage? My calculations show you might get maybe 6.5 miles or range per hour of charging at 16A. Even at 5.5 or 6 miles of range per hour of charging beats 4 miles/hour of charging with a 15A circuit. Please note, however, that if you can make a fairly easy wire run of #12 wire for a 120V outlet, you should be able to do the same run using #8 or #6 wire and end up with a 240V/50A circuit instead. Tesla will draw 32A from it, but 240V @ 32A is MUCH better than 120V @ 16A. Four times the power (double the voltage and double the current = quadruple the power). Good luck!
Best Tesla charging video I’ve seen on UA-cam! Great job! Getting our Model 3 in 2-3 months,
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By code, a 14-50 outlet must be connected to a 50 amp breaker. Of course, when I installed the outlet in my second house I could only fit in a 30 amp breaker so I do have to limit it down below the default 40 amps ( I have an older USMC before they nerfed it ). I did also lower it at my old house though because 40 amps got the cable pretty warm.
Phil, be careful here. The nec article 625. Car power transfer, calls for you to rate your car charger as a continuous load and the circuit rated at 125% of the load served. So, a 50 amp breaker and wire can only run a 40 amp charger and so on. Remember that it is the maximum charger rating us where you start. So, if you charger max is 30 amps (no matter the setting you select.....maximum) you need a 40 amp circuit for the 37.5 amp rating.
Good luck.
@@keithharrington4595 My point was to distinguish between what is required by code, and what is safe and/or possible in my circumstance. I'm quite aware that code says I should not have wired it this way, but that was the best I could do and given that I limit the charging current the car actually pulls even lower than the breaker, it is perfectly safe. Even if I ran it at the full 30 amps the breaker allows, it would still be perfectly safe given the 50 amp rated wires.
I just got the wall connector. That way I don’t have to get he mobile out of the car and then pack it away every time we leave. And, I never want to be out and let the mobile at home. Good info, thank you.
Exactly!!
I was doing research all day to put together a full cost plan for when I buy a car. Project for the day was charging. You helped answer my final charging questions. Thank you!
Very detailed. Luckily we have 240v here in Australia for household.
🙏 for the How to charge a Tesla seminar.
Also thanks for the captions on the adaptor names and spec
This was extremely thorough! Great work Dave.
Best video about charging tesla!
You did an amazing job Dave!
They should have made the Tesla badge in the black V2 wall charger glow red or green or yellow too with that green vertical original light depends on what it's doing, would look way more futuristic.
This was the best explanation video I’ve seen.
Thanks!
This is clearly explained and shows you how to plug in the car using the various wall chargers.
Great charging primer EVDave! Thanks so much for showing the HPWC v3 and the thinner cable!
80 A is a hell of a better charging rate than 50. Sounds like the new charger is a piece of crap that charges slower than the 80 A one, is the 80 A one still available? Why would they do something so stupid?
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@@tsamuel6224 battery degradation.
Also you don't need 80a from any of the current models if you charge over night. Cybertruck will change this.
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What a great thorough review of multiple charging techniques. Thanks for posting 💪🏼
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks, Dave. Good info for all.
Excellent video on the different chargers of a Tesla.
Thank you for taking time and explaining in detail.
Perfect, what every Tesla owner and future Tesla owner needs to know.
Good job thanks for sharing! 👍
Thank you for the video! I played at 1.5x speed which was perfect for me.
i loved the video but you talk too slow. nice compliment
0:34 *talk like Yoda he does*
Tshirt alone merits the like after :10, not to mention very informative video.
Thank you for this Dave! Very helpful :)
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was perfect.
Love the details, thanks for sharing!
FYI, in a split-phase 240V system like we have in the US, each individual phase runs at 120V relative to ground & neutral. Unless you somehow manage to touch both of the hot legs simultaneously, that 240V outlet isn't any more dangerous than a 120V outlet.
I charge my car while I'm at work. Woohoo!
EV Dave is GREAT!
Here is a guy who clearly knows what he is talking about and can communicate to the lay public.
Like many people I had a lot of questions about and also an unclear understanding about home charging. He was able to answer these in a very clear and concise fashion. Thanks to EV Dave I now know how to proceed. Many thanks Dave!!
Unfortunately, for those of us who live in apartments, we need a charging station.
It’s ok, charge at work it at a supercharger a couple if times per week
Thank you for this breakdown, i am feeling more confident in purchasing an EV vehicle.
Oh 240v isn't that scary ask the rest of the electrified world.
Have you seen the live contact you are able to touch, while the plug is been inserted ... ?
@@berndgrabitz yes you have a good point. Euro 2 pin and the UK plug both go in super deep before contacting. But that's no excuse to drop household voltages to 120v. And even the 120v plug contacts while still exposed. Silly design
Actually 240 v in the US only has a 120 volt potential to ground. So unless you make contact with both "hot" blades at the same time you are getting the same shock as you'd get from 120 v
@@joecummings1260 True ...
The voltage isn't as bad as the amperage on that circuit. I found this out while installing a dryer circuit. I accidentally turned it on (thinking it was on when it was off) and fortunately I checked to make sure before I touched it. The smart way to do this is with an ammeter. The quick and stupid way that I used was to bridge the contacts with my screwdriver. Bottom line, I welded the screwdriver across the contacts and put on quite the fireworks display! Learned my lesson on that one.
This was a terrific primer! I have the Gen 3 wall connector, NEMA 14-50 connector and pick up my Model Y on a few days. Looking forward to exploring and learning.
You probably love it I do mine
@@evdave528 I sure do.
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Information, explaination & desmonstration = Clear (Awesome)
You can have the charger outside the house? Can you charge in the rain?
Yes.
Of course, you do get a bit wet standing around waiting for the charging to finish. ;-)
(only kidding!)
that's the same of the public supercharger, it should be fine.
@Tom Thumb yes, I installed one like for Dryer in my garage and it worked well on charging Tesla
This guy reminds me of Jack Barker from Silicon Valley. He's even wearing the "conjoined triangle of success" emblem.
4:51 "Never pull it hot!" That sounds important. Please elaborate!
Turning off the circuit breaker will prevent the circuit from arcing when you push the plug in against the internal contacts (though it shouldn't do this if there is yet no load on the device.) More importantly, it is also possible to reach the contacts with your fingertips after they become energized and before the plug is fully inserted. Notice on the side view as he inserts the plug how much of the prongs are still exposed while it is going in. If you become part of a 50 amp, 240 volt circuit, you will likely be thrown across the room and knocked unconscious, and that's the best possible outcome!
@@inediblenut thats not what he meant when we said dont pull it hot. Hes talking about not pulling the connector out of the car while its still charging. What you described is the concern about plugging in the Nema 14-50 connector into the wall port. I am also curious about what would happen if you accidentally tried to pull the connector out of the car without first hitting the "stop charging" button first, would it cause a spark?
@@s.n.6338 you should not be able to pull the plug out from the car while it's charging because it locks itself to the vehicle. You have to stop and wait (the indicator light changes color) until it's ready to be removed.
Pulling the NEMA 14-50 plug out of the wall jack with the car still charging will most certainly not result in anything other than minimal sparks and no damage to the car. It interrupts the power to the car charging circuitry unexpectedly, but that happens in the real world whenever there's a power outage; think storms and lightning strikes and branches falling across electrical lines and car running into and knocking over utility poles. Even squirrels playing around and running along the high-tension wires and run where the shouldn't, frying themselves and blowing the inline circuit breakers up on the utility pole. Utility workers refer to squirrels as "fuzzy-tailed rats" because they get so tire of re-setting the breaker that are constantly getting tripped by these animals.
These events happen on a regular basis, and Tesla has designed their charging systems to simply twiddle their little electrical thumbs until the power comes back, and then they get back to the task at hand.... charging your car.
As far as getting thrown across the room if you slip up and inadvertently touch one of the silver connectors as the male power plug is being inserted into the female power receptacle on the wall, the MOST you're likely to feel will be a modest little shock that will cause you to jerk your hand back rapidly. Flying across the room is highly unlikely, unless you're Superman or the Flying Nun. The rules of electricity are to wear dry rubber shoes if you're standing on concrete, put a dry rubber mat between you and the floor, keep the floor dry and keep one hand behind your back. Keep your fingers away from the metal prongs on the plug. They will NOT reach out to bite you, and you, smart little person that you are, will be careful to NOT REACH OUT and Touch Them as you're plugging the thing in! This is NOT particularly dangerous unless you're a knucklehead. DON'T BE THAT GUY! If you're walking barefoot on a basement floor, even if it appears to be dry, you DON'T mess with electricity. THAT is a good way to wake up DEAD the next morning!
@@bobham3471, THANKS!
The very best explanation of Tesla charging options that I have seen yet. So much clearer to me now. Thanks!
I think I’ll switch to electric when it can recharge as fast as petroleum cars can refuel.
That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on an electric car. It's to slow for the way of life were all use to. It most definitely needs to be much faster than what it is now!!
It’s a perfect 2nd car.
Thanks for this, just bought a model x and this was what I was looking for
Glad I could help
exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this informative video
Thank you sir. I will definitely get the Tesla wall mount.
I just bought a model X using Sumcoin and this video helped me find the mobile charger kit. Thank you so much!
Where did you learn solid info on Sumcoin, I’m interested and have no current background on cryptocurrency
@@Swxnflu I created it several years ago
EVDave knows his stuff. Really impressive job.
Definitely the best video I've seen on home charging options for Tesla. Very much appreciated.
We are waiting on our model 3, and have a 50 amp Rv plug, so we can plug the adapter into the Rv 50 amp and charge the car. That’s great, as we know we’re most of the Rv parks are in Texas.
Dave, great job.
This Source Equipment video will help many EV enthusiasts. I’ve learned so much from installing 2 Nema 14-50 receptacles, one 3 years ago and one 3 weeks ago. For safety when using the mobile connector (UMC) leave it plugged in all the time or very rarely unplug it for a road trip. Many invest in a second UMC. You avoid possibility of electrical shock AND don’t wear out receptacle which can easily catch fire. If you have the $6 - 14-50 receptacle, it is only good for about a dozen insertions. The $50 version is good for hundreds.
When using the UMC, get a holster for it and a hanger to neatly hold 18 ft cord. I also invested in a low cost 3D printed holster for charger handle to make sure it didn’t fall on the ground .
If you decide to buy a 2nd UMC, try to find a gen1 because it will deliver 40A vs 32A, for 20% more charging speed.
Better yet invest in a Tesla Wall Connector it’s safer
@@evdave528 Yes, Wall Connector is good for safety and higher charge rate at 48 vs 40A, but it’s $500. I am waiting for new WC software that uses it’s WiFi to directly bill the user for electricity used. Apartments, condominiums, and HOA’s need this capability to support EV adoption.
Great job. Ordering a Model Y.
1st time i have really understood the nuances of charging. Thank you
Excellent ! Best I've heard on how to charge an EV. You make a hard thing much easier to understand . Thanks again. Look forward to learning more about how to charge my Model 3.
Its only hard because its not familiar. Once you get used to it then it becomes second nature.
That's true, guys. The very first time I took my S to a supercharger, I couldn't figure out how to open the charge port. Just stood there looking (and feeling) very stupid. Fortunately, another guy charging his Tesla saw how perplexed I was and came over and showed me what to do. (Now, even my 13 year old Granddaughter can do it better than I can!) I've found Tesla owners seem to all be very helpful and happy to give you useful advice and hands-on help whenever you need it! Join the club! It's great!
Thank you. I’m waiting for my model 3 to get delivered. This info was great! New sub. 🍻
Thank you very much for your informative video. I’m in the process of installing my Tesla wall charger and you had great information as to what I should look for when selecting an electrician. Have a great day.
Some people do not have 200 amp service. My town house only has 100 amp service. When talking about 240 Volts, it seems to me that the first thing one should determine is: What gauge of wire is caring those 240 volts and what amperage the circuit breaker is on that wire.
It depends on the appliance the 240V circuit is for. My dryer uses 22A @ 240VAC, so I use a 240V/30A breaker with #10 copper wires (10/3 plus ground). The run length is about 30 feet, which means that the loss due to heat dissipated in the resistance of the wire is about 1.5V, allowing the dryer to see a full 238.5V. If you're going to charge your car using a dryer line, adjust the car down to use 24A maximum so as not to overload the wiring/outlets/etc. This may well change depending on line length; do yourself a favor and pay a professional who knows what the hell he or she is doing. Better not to burn the house down and have it fall over in flames on your new Tesla just to save a few bucks!
Excellent video and very detailed. I love it.
Great video. Helped me significantly as a new tesla owner.
Very helpful information . nice and easy understanding video . Thanx
Enjoyed your video sir, i just bought a Model Y
Enjoy your Model Y, it’s awesome
Great job! EXCELLENT video! Thank you!
Thanks for this info. Definitely the way to go having home charging. That 240v connector was massive compared to what we have in Australia where 240v is the standard voltage with 415v on 3 phase. I like the idea of being able to dial down the charge rate so you are not running the power circuit at its maximum continuously. A lot better for longevity and safety especially if you are doing it overnight. A lot of videos concentrate on driving the cars but you have addressed the practical aspects which is pretty rare and gives some hard info on actual charging rates and times.
I would love 3 phase here but were stuck with single phase unless you have an industrial service.
Nice video, great info. Now I feeI even better about my purchase of the Tesla v3 wall charger. I’m haven’t even got my MY yet. 😂
Good choice
You will love it
Good video and easy for a newbie to understand
Great! New Model S Plaid coming very soon!
Thanks for all your videos and introductions to novices. I'm trying to do the same with my new Tesla Y. I really wanted to thank you for the tip about the adapter placement first. I had missed that in the manual.
Our homes all have 240v 60 to 100 amps via below ground cable . This goes to a metre and then to a consumer board.every outlet is 13amps 3000watts
basic outlet for the cooker is 45 amps,
The most basic ev home charger is 16amp 7.7kw single phase
But most go for 22kw 32 amp
No, you set the charge current yourself in the car to suit your charging capabilities. You can also set when it starts charging it’s all done in the car screen