as a new MYLR owner, I watched dozen videos on charging. Good practice: 1) keep it between 20% - 80%. 2) keep it plugged in when not in use. 3) supercharge as little as possible.
Totally agree. I’m waiting the delivery of my first Tesla EV and this is exactly what I was looking for to understand the basics. Love that it was just the facts as stated by Tesla.
Thank you for simplifying what the owner manual says. I’ve worked in a well-known German dealership for many years. Every time a customer came over with a complaint, the first thing we were trained to do was pull the owners manual from the glove box and show the owner precisely what they recommend; it is challenging to explain this to the owner or operator that doesn’t usually seem clear by pulling owners manual to show them more about their vehicle. Sometimes that doesn't even go well or is not clear enough, but your research and breakdown of the explanation are straightforward and well done.
Great video. I'm a new Tesla owner and there is just so much information and opinion out there it is almost overwhelming. Videos like make it seem so simple. Honestly, Tesla should be paying you and including your videos in their app.
I have 60k miles on my S 100 and hardly ever use DC chargers ,even though I have free super charging . Always plug in when I return home and charge to 70% . And I have not noticed any loss of range so far. Great series of videos I very much enjoy watching them .
I found charging to 90 percent had the regenerative braking not working right away. I've started charging it to 80 and regenerative braking works right away. It's better to have consistent braking in my opinion.
There's a setting for this now in the Pedals and Steering menu. The car can imitate the feeling of regenerative braking by slightly applying the regular brakes when you step off of the gas pedal, so the one-pedal driving feel is largely consistent at all levels of charge. It doesn't feel exactly the same, but it's much closer and won't have you rolling past stop signs.
If TESLA manual says 50 to 90% for daily. I keep it 90% levels and plugin as soon as I pull in garage. This way when I am ready to long distance I need to charge 10% more in hour and half. This has been working great for me. 👍 great job on videos series
I assume that you would know about long trips in advance. Just setup the departure time and it will start charging at the right time so that the battery is fully charge before you leave.
Very informative and I'm in the daily 80% club, but when the temperatures dip below 15°F, I go to 90% since much of the miles lost will be in the inefficiency and power load of extremely cold weather with resistance heating to seats, wheel & Tesla'a heat pump to warm cabin and components!
Mike, I just ordered a Model Y, and it will deliver on or about July 1st. I cannot begin to tell you how helpful your wonderful videos are. I have been learning all about my new car, thanks to you. I no longer feel overwhelmed, at the learning curve, thanks to your great videos. Thanks so very much sir!
I just bought my Model 3 and accepted delivery yesterday. I only have level 1 charging capabilities at my home right now. This answered a lot of my questions. Very helpful thanks.
Yeah exactly. I'd imagine using up that first 10% right away is better for the battery than if it were stored for a longer duration before being consumed
I am happy to hear that It does not damage my battery if I keep it plugged in. I plugged it in at home and didn’t use the car for two days. I was concerned that I would hurt the battery.
I do the same on my dual motor because on a day to day basis with 80% of charge it really does not matter - there is no question of range anxiety as I rarely do more than 200 miles in one day. But I wonder how that changes for people who have a Standard Range Model 3.
Mine is on distance because knowing how many miles I have available is more informative than percentage battery. When charging, as long as you're comfortably within the "daily limits" band, you'll be within the recommended percentage. When driving, don't let it dip much below 75 miles (for a long range M3) and you'll be fine.
Team % - the miles left is inaccurate. I don't have my cellphone displaying how many minutes I have left on my phone battery for the same reason. Things like miles left and 'roll' on the braking option are hold overs from ICE cars that will eventually fade over many years.
look up jeff dahn (battery guru for tesla) a recent talk he does explains why you charge to 80% , because the bad reactions in the battery happen at higher voltages , increased temperature also so accelerates the bad reactions,
I live in an apartment with no access to home charging so I'm using Superchargers exclusively... I charge to 90% every 4-5 days and it's going great so far no issues at all!.. I charge up again when I get below 25%... My local Supercharger station is next to a Trader Joe's so I get my grocery shopping in during the 45 to 50 minute charge time... Super convenient! #TeslaLifestyle
This is exactly my situation. I drive 300 miles a week and I live in an apartment with no home charging. My car is arriving today, and I plan on solely using Superchargers (walking distance from my apartment), charging 1-2 times a week.
I live in an apt as well and have over 5000 miles on my 7 week old 2021 M3LR AWD. First Tesla has a form letter to help persuade your complex to assist in installing power. I went another route and across the street from me is a deck with multiple 110v outlets on every floor. I can trickle charge 100+ miles per 24 hours and use a SC 10 mins way if needed. Works great.
I charge to 70% on a daily basis. My rule is: do not put in what you do not plan to take out during the following trip. If you are going on a long trip and need 100%, schedule charging so that it is finished just before you leave. Repeatedly holding the battery at 100% for extended time can lead to dendrite formation and cell failure.
My M3 is a China build LFP battery version. I'd be interested in a video covering this slightly different battery type... Tesla explicitly recommended regular 100% charges for instance...
I was told by two different Tesla employees that the base model is OK to charge it to 100%. The dual motor model 3 has a different battery that it's reccomend to regularly charge it to 80%. Thanks for the video.
This is super helpful...I'm getting a model 3 in about 1.5 months (already ordered, just waiting). Under normal circumstances I drive about 10 miles/week...I've owned a Prius since 2004. This is exactly what it does (automatically), it tries to keep the battery at 80%. 90% for daily driving sounds good. I don't make road trips often, and when I do they are within 100 miles from home...when I know a road trip is coming up I'll set it to 100% the day before.
Lol I bought my m3 in 2019. Back then I was so particular with my charging habits. 2 years later, I charged to 100% (and left it soc overnight) several times by mistake, and drove at 0% soc a few times. My car is still running strong 💪
Years ago my wife leased a Fiat 500e and it was rated 80 miles per charge. For the 3 years we charged it daily with a level 2 charger overnight to 100 percent. It was driven daily and would get down to 15 miles most days before charge. I doubt Fiat has great battery tech like Tesla but that battery was fine when it was turned in. It's possible sooner than later that battery will start going bad but since it was leased and such low range, it wasn't our problem. LOL
I know I'm a year late but thank you for making this very clear! Just bought my wife a Tesla Y performance and she is not tech savvy at all and I don't drive her car. I'll subscribe and go through your playlist. Thanks again
I bought a model S in 2013, when I charged it to 90%, the range was 382 Km, 10 years later, I am still driving it. the range of 90%full is 372 KM. no complain. I keep it charge every night at home (level 2). I went to few long trips and the battery went just below 20% a few times. So, I totally agree on this clip.
These 4 tips are exactly what I do with my Tesla model S 85, after 8 years of use the battery is still in excellent condition and range has hardly dropped. One problem has risen, the maximum charge rate on my newly installed 40amp Gen3 wall charger is only 16 amps, I believe there is an issue with the charge controller.
Definitely a cool video. Mostly use Level 1 charger. Level 2 only needed if you drive more than 60 miles/day in my opinion. (5 mph times 12 hours on 110 outlet). Use Super Chargers on Road Trips. Max charge is set to 86%.
I enjoyed your informative video. I have a Tesla S and now I am reassured I'm doing the right thing charging my S every time I return home. On another note, while listening to your narrative, I couldn't believe how much you reminded me of a radio host from the past named casey casem... A radio host who had a long time career years ago playing oldies songs over the radio with a vast following. Thank you.
One additional benefit of leaving your car plugged in all the time, to extend your battery range, results when you turn on the climate/defrost in the vehicle prior to departure as it will take power from the mains rather than the battery to get the temperature of the cabin to the right level and I believe it also works on the battery temperature ready to rock and roll.
Very good! I got my model Y five weeks ago (9/29/22). So far I have been charging it "free" at home. Here are my situations. I live in SoCal and I have solar panels and a Tesla Powerwall battery. I set my Y charging limit to 88% (in case of cloudy days). Every morning my Powerwall is recharged to 100% near noon time. Instead of sending surplus solar energy to the grid for pennies. I started charging my Y for a few hours and I turned it off if not fully charged to give enough time for the Powerwall to get recharged back up to 100% before sunset for night home usage. So far it works perfectly, solar produces about 4.5kW and Powerwall delivers 4kW while charging Y, no or very little draw(0.1kW) from grid. Of course you have to do your own calculations based on your situations. BTW, I am retired, that helps when staying home around lunch time. Get a solar system installed at home! The best thing that I have done in 2022! I have NEMA 14-50 outlet at home, it gives 30 miles of range per hour of charging. My charging habit pretty much match what you stated in this video, thanks!
I'm a fulltime RVer with a model Y, and a 3000 pound trailer. "Safe charging" has kind of gone out the window for me. Reason, The Tesla SC's are spaced too far apart in may areas' that I'm traveling. For that reason, I'm finding I have to Charge almost anytime I come across a charging station. Best I have done (in flat Texas, without a head wind :) ) is 125 miles. Pulled into the SC with 6% left in the battery and then charged to 100% to make it to the next SC. If there are no SC's in range, I then have to make a route change or find a RV park to stay at and charge overnight with the 50amp service that most have now. It would be nice if there were SC's closer together like they appear to be back east but until I get that far, it is max charging maybe 3 times a day. Yeah, I could buy a ICE truck but where would the fun be then! Good thing is, there is a Cybergtruck on order!!
I love the passion! Most people aren’t willing to make that sacrifice. I’m up for that kind of challenge and anticipate there will be a lot more Superchargers in the next few years making it easier. I too can’t wait for my Cybertruck and plan on doing some serious camping.
IMHO, this is one of the best explications of how to maintain your lithium-ion battery. A troublesome thing to me is that, with our Model 3, purchased new, we got 6 months of free Supercharging . . . so we used, almost exclusively, Tesla Superchargers. Copping out a bit on this, I generally would use a lower-power charger, say, a 150 watt even if 250s were available. There was little penalty in this, really. I wonder if there was any gain. At any rate, we now charge both the 23 M3 and the 20 MY in the garage, both plugged in to a level 2 charger on both sides of the garage, charging daily to 80 percent.
This was messaged to me from Tesla : Battery Care Advice: These steps allow the battery system to see/calculate the physical limitations in each of your 5000+ cells in your battery to allow for a more accurate calculation of range. For optimal battery use and longevity we recommend performing the following steps, as often as possible, if your daily driving needs allow: 1) Allow the SOC(state of charge) to reach 20% and then charge up to 90% once a week, ~10% to 100% once every other month. 2) Delay your charging after parking your vehicle a few hours, by using the schedule charge option. 3) As often as possible, allow the vehicle to rest at different SOCs (Ex. allow the vehicle to rest overnight without charging) at 40% one night, at 75% another night, 90%, 50%, and so on. 4) If storing/parking the vehicle, below 50% SOC is recommended. We highly encourage the vehicle be plugged in, if for more than a few days. Makes no sense to me. It’s literally in my Tesla app for my Model X from the service department. Will take a screenshot and send if necessary.thoughts?
Picked up my MYLR Thursday last week. Thanks for the information, CLEAR CONCISE and TO THE POINT. I charged at level one charged for the first time starting Saturday night. Took almost 36 hours to add 100 miles of charge. Level one might be all I need for now. I work from home and really don't drive that much. Taking a road trip at the end of the month though... 🙂
I just received delivery of my model 3 SR+ made in Shanghai factory, and Tesla employee told me that I do not have to worry about charging limit anymore, and just charge to full. So I think if your new Tesla comes with LFP battery, it would solve some range anxiety.
Thanks for this. Just on the charging limit, thisnis what Tesla says > Charge the battery to the appropriate charge limit for your vehicle based on the installed battery. To adjust the charge limit for your vehicle, open the Charging screen on your touchscreen and then touch ‘Set Limit’ or open the Charging screen in your mobile app and drag the slider. For Rear-Wheel Drive vehicles, If the image of the battery displays ‘50%’ and ‘100%’: Tesla recommends that you keep your charge limit to 100%, even for daily use, and that you also regularly charge your vehicle to 100% . If your vehicle has been parked for longer than a week, Tesla recommends driving your vehicle as you normally would and charge to 100% at your earliest convenience. If the image of the Battery displays ‘Daily’ and ‘Trip’: keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for daily use by using the mobile app or vehicle’s touchscreen to set charge limit within the ‘Daily’ range. If you need the full range (i.e. 100%) of your battery for a long-distance trip, you can increase the limit to the ‘Trip’ range (>90%) as necessary. For All-Wheel Drive vehicles, keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for daily use by using the mobile app or vehicle’s touchscreen to set charge limit within the ‘Daily’ range. If you need the full range (i.e. 100%) of your battery for a long-distance trip, you can increase the limit to the ‘Trip’ range (>90%) as necessary.
One thing you have not mentioned, is the amperage at which you charge. I have the Tesla wall charger but I usually only charge at 5-7 amps. Is a slower charge beneficial for the battery? Thanks
I've got it from multiple electrical engineers involved in battery UPS and solar power systems that NO charger controller allows lithium ion batteries to get charged to 100%. Sure, the display in your car says "100%" but the charging current shuts off when the physical batteries are still only about 80-90% of "full chemical capacity" to produce the rated voltage.
Thanks, very informative video. It would be great if you could do a video on the LFP battery in the 2021 MIC Model3 SD+. I have seen from owner's videos that there is no "Daily/Trip scale displayed on the "Set level" charging screen. And apparently one can charge up to 100% on a regular basis.
Given a choice - charge level 2 at home daily at $.21 per KWHR or once a week (level 2 ) from 35% to 90% for free at work (I'm using my cable at 30 amps to recover in ~ 5hrs ! pick one ------ Thanks SPC
Thank you for the video. Makes sense. Also applies to lithium ion batteries in cell phones. I charge my iPhone with an older 5 watt charger (does Apple even sell these anymore), and try to keep it between 30 - 80% charge.
I just bought a 2015 Model S. I was interested in knowing the best options to charging the car to prolong the battery since it is around eight years old (at time of post). One of the key perks of purchasing this year is the "Free Supercharging" this year offers. Now I find out Telsa recommends not to supercharge if possible. To preferably charge at a less rate. At home of course, where I pay the bill. Thank you for the video. This did help me decide on the rest of the charging info I was looking for. Thumbs up.
Thanks for putting this is simple terms and providing Tesla specific instructions in one place. Keep it between 50-90 percent for daily use and avoid going below 20% Btw, Tesla changed its UI for battery, at least on my Model Y RWD, so it does not have daily and trip brackets. Thanks.
After many years of every Day battery testing have concluded 3 rules. 1. Keep your BMS calibrated by charging to 100% just before you go. 2. DC charging up to Max 90% To avoid very high temperature exposure 3.consider 30% the lowest and start searching charger. Low state of charge is killing performance on the long run.
TSLA owner but not a Tesla owner (yet). Question about long term parking at an airport (unplugged). How many days are you comfortable leaving it, with Sentry Mode on and off? I would have a 50 mile drive home after landing, so I wouldn't want to have to stop to charge after a long day of travel.
going for my test drive in two days, ready to buy my M3, with delivery in June... sooooo excited, the more videos I watch the better it gets!!! :) Thanks for the important info
You should download and use the STATS app so it can project your battery degradation over time. The sooner you start using it, the better it's projections.
unless you are driving enough everyday that this is required, you are not doing your battery any favors. You will cause damage over the long term by doing this. It's your car so do what you like but there is plenty of info from actual experts that discourage this for long term battery health. 25k miles is nothing in terms of the life of a Tesla so don't count that as evidence it is not hurting your battery.
It’s probably not too bad to charge to 100% daily, as long as it doesn’t sit at 100% for long and that it gets driven to below 90% for most of the day. That said, I wouldn’t do that myself. 90% max for daily.
I think general good practice is to try and stay as close to 50% as possible, so your average charge level is 50%. - If you only use 20% of range everyday, charge your car to 60% so when you get home it’s at 40%. - If you use 40% per day, then charge to 70% so you come home with 30%. *- If you use 60% per day, I’d probably shift the window a little. Charge to 85% so you come home with 25%, this will give you a 5% buffer between “extremes.”* Also charge as slow as possible.
ICE vehicles can benefit the same from the same logic. Only keep 2 gallons of gas in the car, you save 80 lbs by leaving the other 10 gallons out. better fuel economy.
You know he is reading it straight out of the manual and Teslas Website, right? I’m amazed at how “amazed” people seem to be by basic stuff that’s available to anyone who can read...🤔
@@HsquaredH2 That may be true - and I’m one of the few people that read the manual almost entirely. However, most owners imo won’t touch the manual and having Frugal Tesla Guy bottom line it like that is great for them. I’m so surprised that most people are still confused about optimal charging practices because Tesla provides that information clearly. This video is for all those people, some of whom still believe that batteries need to be discharged & charged fully to prevent ‘the memory effect’. They must be Gen NiCad :)
Thank you for this video. I have a 2021 M3, I do a lot of driving therefore I find myself having to charge my car quite often. This was concerning to me. I think using the practices you mentioned might help to preserve some of my battery life. I just recently had the home charger installed so I'm anxious to see if leaving the car plugged in when not in use will decrease some of the battery drain. Thanks...
I live in a small town right now and drive about 10 mins a day to work so I am using 120 volt charger and that works well for me. I think I will be charging the car daily even tho I use 1 or 2% of my range when I drive unless I go out of town to the bigger city which is 100km away and then I just charge when I get home over a few days back to 80%.
First time on the channel. Like it. Q. I have hourly rates, that are public from 13 o clock the day before through an open api. Tesla does not seem to use this when set to "charge at off peak hours" :( So I use my smart charger to turn the power on when free/cheap power. But then Tesla wont charge it says there is an error when no power flows. What should I do? The very manual approach, which is good for both battery and cheap - is: 1) start smartcharging (power on). 2) set Tesla to charge at min. Amp and plug in. 3) Manually increase the amp when the power is cheap. 4a) decrease amp to min. when power is expensive. 4b) or reach 80% so Tesla stop charging. ... Too much work!
I drove BMW since 1970 and still own an BMW. I purchased a Model 3 a few months ago. Through the years I went through quit a few and different models of BMWs Four-Cylinder models to 8-Cylinder models.. Everyone told me an BMW engine especially the 6-Cylinder ones would last a few hundred thousands miles. But I replaced my BMW's at max less than a 100K miles. Yes, I kept up the oil changes and inspections of the cars for safely reasons and not for longevity of the engine or the drive train. Back to the Tesla battery charging habit, do I really care that much and worry about it? How much battery life you will lose by charging it over 90%. How many years you want or need to keep you Tesla. Will you tell your wife to get off your Tesla so you can have better range per charge of your car? So many discussions about charging a Tesla I think it is a waste of time and effort and getting nothing significant. That is my opinion.
this is such good and simple information, thank you! My model 3 RWD 2023 depleted from 272 to now 223 in 6 months, i also live in the east coast with cold seasons. I'm wondering will my battery capacity go back up in warmer seasons or it'll stayed degraded at 223 and possibility goes lower
I try to cycle between 20 and 76 % SOC and charge on AC on low Power....7kW peak :) pre heating the battery is very important, I take it easy if the cells are not warm and the car shows regen and small power limits, like a ice you have to take it easy if the engine is not warmt up. I also never push the car to the max if the SoC is below 50% and on realy hot day also take it easy because the cooling system have a hard time/needs a lot power to cool the cells and this will effect the range.
When charging at night though should we keep the amps low as well so that charging takes all night, or have it charge quicker and then stay at the set charge limit over night?
Hi Frugal Tesla Guy excellent information clear and concise and to the point My Tesla model 3 will be due 1st July so I will adopt your charging habits
What do you do if not try the Tesla a lot... just locally and occasionally not at all? I even wish they had options for the Tesla driver that wants to drive slowly (I call it the granny Tesla mode) and safely taking the slowest safest route least stressful route rather than the fastest... that would be my first choice for navigation options... also a Tesla safe driving learning app to teach us with applause if we get it right when they teach us and the funny fart machine when we get it wrong I would love anything involving learning so that's why am so happy you to pass wonderful teachers like you and other accounts I find so helpful. I really do like when you take a clip from the actual driving manual that's very helpful
I find NOT plugging in daily extends battery range. And works better when dropping to 30% to 80%. I used to go 60 to 80% daily, but it degrades (or software says) battery and range reduces. Now, the range is getting longer again,
as a new MYLR owner, I watched dozen videos on charging. Good practice:
1) keep it between 20% - 80%.
2) keep it plugged in when not in use.
3) supercharge as little as possible.
This is the FIRST video that all new Tesla owners should be watching. Very well done, easily understood information communicated simply and directly.
thank you for your opinion
Totally agree. I’m waiting the delivery of my first Tesla EV and this is exactly what I was looking for to understand the basics. Love that it was just the facts as stated by Tesla.
Thank you for simplifying what the owner manual says. I’ve worked in a well-known German dealership for many years. Every time a customer came over with a complaint, the first thing we were trained to do was pull the owners manual from the glove box and show the owner precisely what they recommend; it is challenging to explain this to the owner or operator that doesn’t usually seem clear by pulling owners manual to show them more about their vehicle. Sometimes that doesn't even go well or is not clear enough, but your research and breakdown of the explanation are straightforward and well done.
Great video. I'm a new Tesla owner and there is just so much information and opinion out there it is almost overwhelming. Videos like make it seem so simple. Honestly, Tesla should be paying you and including your videos in their app.
I have 60k miles on my S 100 and hardly ever use DC chargers ,even though I have free super charging . Always plug in when I return home and charge to 70% . And I have not noticed any loss of range so far.
Great series of videos I very much enjoy watching them .
what year model s?
Gee someone who reads the owners manual. Tks and enjoy your efforts. Thank you.
I found charging to 90 percent had the regenerative braking not working right away. I've started charging it to 80 and regenerative braking works right away. It's better to have consistent braking in my opinion.
yep, it doesn't want to be sending more excess energy to the batteries when they're already full.
Such good technology to be able to monitor this.
There's a setting for this now in the Pedals and Steering menu. The car can imitate the feeling of regenerative braking by slightly applying the regular brakes when you step off of the gas pedal, so the one-pedal driving feel is largely consistent at all levels of charge. It doesn't feel exactly the same, but it's much closer and won't have you rolling past stop signs.
If TESLA manual says 50 to 90% for daily. I keep it 90% levels and plugin as soon as I pull in garage. This way when I am ready to long distance I need to charge 10% more in hour and half. This has been working great for me. 👍 great job on videos series
I’m doing the same and it works great
Any degradation going to 90 often?
Same here ,,,, it works for me
@@beatsbyjules. idl like to know that as well 👍
I assume that you would know about long trips in advance. Just setup the departure time and it will start charging at the right time so that the battery is fully charge before you leave.
Very informative and I'm in the daily 80% club, but when the temperatures dip below 15°F, I go to 90% since much of the miles lost will be in the inefficiency and power load of extremely cold weather with resistance heating to seats, wheel & Tesla'a heat pump to warm cabin and components!
How much do you lose during winter?
@@happyhippo1710 Probably 5-10% of MY range due to preference of pre-heating cabin and less recovery braking.
Mike, I just ordered a Model Y, and it will deliver on or about July 1st. I cannot begin to tell you how helpful your wonderful videos are. I have been learning all about my new car, thanks to you. I no longer feel overwhelmed, at the learning curve, thanks to your great videos. Thanks so very much sir!
Did you get your model Y yet, And does it have the new HEPA filter
@@Kurspro_ we got our model Y is early September and it did have the Bioweapon Defense Mode, aka medical grade HEPA filter
I got mine on the 1st of July 2023! Blue long range model y!!!!
I just bought my Model 3 and accepted delivery yesterday. I only have level 1 charging capabilities at my home right now. This answered a lot of my questions. Very helpful thanks.
I also understand that if you must charge to 100% (long trips and the like) you should be planning on using range as soon as possible
Yeah exactly. I'd imagine using up that first 10% right away is better for the battery than if it were stored for a longer duration before being consumed
I am happy to hear that It does not damage my battery if I keep it plugged in. I plugged it in at home and didn’t use the car for two days. I was concerned that I would hurt the battery.
6:58 this is exactly why, I prefer, and advise anyone that asks to set the "Energy Display" to "ENERGY" (%) instead of "DISTANCE" (miles)
I do the same on my dual motor because on a day to day basis with 80% of charge it really does not matter - there is no question of range anxiety as I rarely do more than 200 miles in one day. But I wonder how that changes for people who have a Standard Range Model 3.
Mine is on distance because knowing how many miles I have available is more informative than percentage battery. When charging, as long as you're comfortably within the "daily limits" band, you'll be within the recommended percentage. When driving, don't let it dip much below 75 miles (for a long range M3) and you'll be fine.
Team % - the miles left is inaccurate. I don't have my cellphone displaying how many minutes I have left on my phone battery for the same reason.
Things like miles left and 'roll' on the braking option are hold overs from ICE cars that will eventually fade over many years.
@@kenbob1071 most Tesla owners use %
My model 3 gets half its stated range.
look up jeff dahn (battery guru for tesla) a recent talk he does explains why you charge to 80% , because the bad reactions in the battery happen at higher voltages , increased temperature also so accelerates the bad reactions,
I live in an apartment with no access to home charging so I'm using Superchargers exclusively... I charge to 90% every 4-5 days and it's going great so far no issues at all!.. I charge up again when I get below 25%... My local Supercharger station is next to a Trader Joe's so I get my grocery shopping in during the 45 to 50 minute charge time... Super convenient! #TeslaLifestyle
This is exactly my situation. I drive 300 miles a week and I live in an apartment with no home charging. My car is arriving today, and I plan on solely using Superchargers (walking distance from my apartment), charging 1-2 times a week.
This is also what I plan to do, is there any evidence to suggest that this is bad for the batter?
I live in an apt as well and have over 5000 miles on my 7 week old 2021 M3LR AWD.
First Tesla has a form letter to help persuade your complex to assist in installing power. I went another route and across the street from me is a deck with multiple 110v outlets on every floor. I can trickle charge 100+ miles per 24 hours and use a SC 10 mins way if needed. Works great.
similar situation following
@@joeirl Hopefully you never need to move.....
Timely. New Wall Connector being installed today. Thanks!
Good luck...mine got installed yesterday and the guy charged me 200$
I charge to 70% on a daily basis. My rule is: do not put in what you do not plan to take out during the following trip. If you are going on a long trip and need 100%, schedule charging so that it is finished just before you leave. Repeatedly holding the battery at 100% for extended time can lead to dendrite formation and cell failure.
These advices are true for all lithium batteries including phones
My M3 is a China build LFP battery version. I'd be interested in a video covering this slightly different battery type... Tesla explicitly recommended regular 100% charges for instance...
I was told by two different Tesla employees that the base model is OK to charge it to 100%. The dual motor model 3 has a different battery that it's reccomend to regularly charge it to 80%. Thanks for the video.
great straight to the point break down. That last screen shot should be in every tesla owners glovebox. thank you
This is super helpful...I'm getting a model 3 in about 1.5 months (already ordered, just waiting). Under normal circumstances I drive about 10 miles/week...I've owned a Prius since 2004. This is exactly what it does (automatically), it tries to keep the battery at 80%. 90% for daily driving sounds good. I don't make road trips often, and when I do they are within 100 miles from home...when I know a road trip is coming up I'll set it to 100% the day before.
Lol I bought my m3 in 2019. Back then I was so particular with my charging habits. 2 years later, I charged to 100% (and left it soc overnight) several times by mistake, and drove at 0% soc a few times. My car is still running strong 💪
Years ago my wife leased a Fiat 500e and it was rated 80 miles per charge. For the 3 years we charged it daily with a level 2 charger overnight to 100 percent. It was driven daily and would get down to 15 miles most days before charge. I doubt Fiat has great battery tech like Tesla but that battery was fine when it was turned in. It's possible sooner than later that battery will start going bad but since it was leased and such low range, it wasn't our problem. LOL
I know I'm a year late but thank you for making this very clear! Just bought my wife a Tesla Y performance and she is not tech savvy at all and I don't drive her car. I'll subscribe and go through your playlist. Thanks again
First-time Tesla owner - - excellent video! Thanks bro
This is the only channel I’ll be watching regarding my Tesla experience. Periodt. Thank you.
Thanks Jacob! Glad to help.
@@FrugalTeslaGuy can you or do you have a video on why someone should go SR vs LR?
I bought a model S in 2013, when I charged it to 90%, the range was 382 Km, 10 years later, I am still driving it. the range of 90%full is 372 KM. no complain. I keep it charge every night at home (level 2). I went to few long trips and the battery went just below 20% a few times. So, I totally agree on this clip.
I've had my M3 since 2018 and still found this vid informative...much thanks! Still LOVE the car.
These 4 tips are exactly what I do with my Tesla model S 85, after 8 years of use the battery is still in excellent condition and range has hardly dropped. One problem has risen, the maximum charge rate on my newly installed 40amp Gen3 wall charger is only 16 amps, I believe there is an issue with the charge controller.
Definitely a cool video. Mostly use Level 1 charger. Level 2 only needed if you drive more than 60 miles/day in my opinion. (5 mph times 12 hours on 110 outlet). Use Super Chargers on Road Trips. Max charge is set to 86%.
I enjoyed your informative video. I have a Tesla S and now I am reassured I'm doing the right thing charging my S every time I return home. On another note, while listening to your narrative, I couldn't believe how much you reminded me of a radio host from the past named casey casem... A radio host who had a long time career years ago playing oldies songs over the radio with a vast following. Thank you.
Thanks Laine! And it's an honor to have his name mentioned in the same breath as mine. I listened to him on American Top 40 back in the day.
It's as if Mr. Rogers and Casey Kasem have joined forces to teach me Tesla best practices. VERY well done sir!!
Mr Rogers is new. I like it!
One additional benefit of leaving your car plugged in all the time, to extend your battery range, results when you turn on the climate/defrost in the vehicle prior to departure as it will take power from the mains rather than the battery to get the temperature of the cabin to the right level and I believe it also works on the battery temperature ready to rock and roll.
with current issue I had (not sleep with plug in), I have to manually plug in right before the preconditioning...
Very good! I got my model Y five weeks ago (9/29/22). So far I have been charging it "free" at home. Here are my situations. I live in SoCal and I have solar panels and a Tesla Powerwall battery. I set my Y charging limit to 88% (in case of cloudy days). Every morning my Powerwall is recharged to 100% near noon time. Instead of sending surplus solar energy to the grid for pennies. I started charging my Y for a few hours and I turned it off if not fully charged to give enough time for the Powerwall to get recharged back up to 100% before sunset for night home usage. So far it works perfectly, solar produces about 4.5kW and Powerwall delivers 4kW while charging Y, no or very little draw(0.1kW) from grid. Of course you have to do your own calculations based on your situations. BTW, I am retired, that helps when staying home around lunch time. Get a solar system installed at home! The best thing that I have done in 2022!
I have NEMA 14-50 outlet at home, it gives 30 miles of range per hour of charging. My charging habit pretty much match what you stated in this video, thanks!
I'm a fulltime RVer with a model Y, and a 3000 pound trailer. "Safe charging" has kind of gone out the window for me. Reason, The Tesla SC's are spaced too far apart in may areas' that I'm traveling. For that reason, I'm finding I have to Charge almost anytime I come across a charging station. Best I have done (in flat Texas, without a head wind :) ) is 125 miles. Pulled into the SC with 6% left in the battery and then charged to 100% to make it to the next SC. If there are no SC's in range, I then have to make a route change or find a RV park to stay at and charge overnight with the 50amp service that most have now. It would be nice if there were SC's closer together like they appear to be back east but until I get that far, it is max charging maybe 3 times a day. Yeah, I could buy a ICE truck but where would the fun be then! Good thing is, there is a Cybergtruck on order!!
I love the passion! Most people aren’t willing to make that sacrifice. I’m up for that kind of challenge and anticipate there will be a lot more Superchargers in the next few years making it easier. I too can’t wait for my Cybertruck and plan on doing some serious camping.
IMHO, this is one of the best explications of how to maintain your lithium-ion battery. A troublesome thing to me is that, with our Model 3, purchased new, we got 6 months of free Supercharging . . . so we used, almost exclusively, Tesla Superchargers. Copping out a bit on this, I generally would use a lower-power charger, say, a 150 watt even if 250s were available. There was little penalty in this, really. I wonder if there was any gain. At any rate, we now charge both the 23 M3 and the 20 MY in the garage, both plugged in to a level 2 charger on both sides of the garage, charging daily to 80 percent.
This was messaged to me from Tesla :
Battery Care Advice: These steps allow the battery system to see/calculate the physical limitations in each of your 5000+ cells in your battery to allow for a more accurate calculation of range. For optimal battery use and longevity we recommend performing the following steps, as often as possible, if your daily driving needs allow: 1) Allow the SOC(state of charge) to reach 20% and then charge up to 90% once a week, ~10% to 100% once every other month. 2) Delay your charging after parking your vehicle a few hours, by using the schedule charge option. 3) As often as possible, allow the vehicle to rest at different SOCs (Ex. allow the vehicle to rest overnight without charging) at 40% one night, at 75% another night, 90%, 50%, and so on. 4) If storing/parking the vehicle, below 50% SOC is recommended. We highly encourage the vehicle be plugged in, if for more than a few days.
Makes no sense to me. It’s literally in my Tesla app for my Model X from the service department. Will take a screenshot and send if necessary.thoughts?
Did you actually implement this? Seems too complicated to keep up with
Picked up my MYLR Thursday last week. Thanks for the information, CLEAR CONCISE and TO THE POINT. I charged at level one charged for the first time starting Saturday night. Took almost 36 hours to add 100 miles of charge. Level one might be all I need for now. I work from home and really don't drive that much. Taking a road trip at the end of the month though... 🙂
I just received delivery of my model 3 SR+ made in Shanghai factory, and Tesla employee told me that I do not have to worry about charging limit anymore, and just charge to full. So I think if your new Tesla comes with LFP battery, it would solve some range anxiety.
Thanks for this. Just on the charging limit, thisnis what Tesla says > Charge the battery to the appropriate charge limit for your vehicle based on the installed battery. To adjust the charge limit for your vehicle, open the Charging screen on your touchscreen and then touch ‘Set Limit’ or open the Charging screen in your mobile app and drag the slider.
For Rear-Wheel Drive vehicles,
If the image of the battery displays ‘50%’ and ‘100%’: Tesla recommends that you keep your charge limit to 100%, even for daily use, and that you also regularly charge your vehicle to 100% . If your vehicle has been parked for longer than a week, Tesla recommends driving your vehicle as you normally would and charge to 100% at your earliest convenience.
If the image of the Battery displays ‘Daily’ and ‘Trip’: keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for daily use by using the mobile app or vehicle’s touchscreen to set charge limit within the ‘Daily’ range. If you need the full range (i.e. 100%) of your battery for a long-distance trip, you can increase the limit to the ‘Trip’ range (>90%) as necessary.
For All-Wheel Drive vehicles, keep the full charge limit of the battery to under 90% for daily use by using the mobile app or vehicle’s touchscreen to set charge limit within the ‘Daily’ range. If you need the full range (i.e. 100%) of your battery for a long-distance trip, you can increase the limit to the ‘Trip’ range (>90%) as necessary.
Excellent explanation on battery charging. Appreciate how well you boil down just the essential information.
One thing you have not mentioned, is the amperage at which you charge. I have the Tesla wall charger but I usually only charge at 5-7 amps. Is a slower charge beneficial for the battery? Thanks
Straight forward, very helpful.
Love this battery series, very informative. Will absolutely recommend your videos to any potential Tesla buyers with battery/charging questions.
Thanks Brian! I appreciate it!
I've got it from multiple electrical engineers involved in battery UPS and solar power systems that NO charger controller allows lithium ion batteries to get charged to 100%. Sure, the display in your car says "100%" but the charging current shuts off when the physical batteries are still only about 80-90% of "full chemical capacity" to produce the rated voltage.
I get my new model Y tomorrow. Thanks for this.
Thanks, very informative video. It would be great if you could do a video on the LFP battery in the 2021 MIC Model3 SD+. I have seen from owner's videos that there is no "Daily/Trip scale displayed on the "Set level" charging screen. And apparently one can charge up to 100% on a regular basis.
There is one now
ua-cam.com/video/vLKiH9NugR8/v-deo.html
Best informative video on UA-cam. Thank You!
This does help. Thank you. Perhaps I should reread the tesla manual.
Not a bad idea. I actually did a video about the things I discovered after reading the owner's manual. ua-cam.com/video/BAkuPk52yo8/v-deo.html
THANK you...i had questions about the mobile charger ( only one i have as a new owner) and i think you answered it!
Thank you so much for helping Tesla owners.
This video really helped me a lot
Tesla should pay you for transferring the information:
Really well thought out explanation of good charging habits .
A very well put together clip!! Thx man!!
Given a choice - charge level 2 at home daily at $.21 per KWHR or once a week (level 2 ) from 35% to 90% for free at work (I'm using my cable at 30 amps to recover in ~ 5hrs ! pick one ------ Thanks SPC
Thank you for the video. Makes sense. Also applies to lithium ion batteries in cell phones. I charge my iPhone with an older 5 watt charger (does Apple even sell these anymore), and try to keep it between 30 - 80% charge.
Thank you for giving us facts from Tesla instead of opinions from owners. Best video I’ve found yet! Keep up the good work.
I just bought a 2015 Model S. I was interested in knowing the best options to charging the car to prolong the battery since it is around eight years old (at time of post). One of the key perks of purchasing this year is the "Free Supercharging" this year offers. Now I find out Telsa recommends not to supercharge if possible. To preferably charge at a less rate. At home of course, where I pay the bill. Thank you for the video. This did help me decide on the rest of the charging info I was looking for. Thumbs up.
Thanks for putting this is simple terms and providing Tesla specific instructions in one place. Keep it between 50-90 percent for daily use and avoid going below 20%
Btw, Tesla changed its UI for battery, at least on my Model Y RWD, so it does not have daily and trip brackets.
Thanks.
So nice (and rare) to have clear information delivered succinctly. Thanks.
Thanks for this. I did not have a chance to go through the manual yet.
Very nice! Fast! And easy to understand! 😊 thank u!
After many years of every Day battery testing have concluded 3 rules.
1. Keep your BMS calibrated by charging to 100% just before you go.
2. DC charging up to Max 90%
To avoid very high temperature exposure
3.consider 30% the lowest and start searching charger. Low state of charge is killing performance on the long run.
Thanks for bringing some clarity! Great work!
Thank you. I waiting to take delivery of a Model Y LR next month.
The best video about charging! Thank you!!!
TSLA owner but not a Tesla owner (yet). Question about long term parking at an airport (unplugged). How many days are you comfortable leaving it, with Sentry Mode on and off? I would have a 50 mile drive home after landing, so I wouldn't want to have to stop to charge after a long day of travel.
Excellent series! I'm supposed to take delivery of my Model 3 on Sunday, and will definitely be utilizing these tips. Thank you!
Taking delivery of your new model 3 is very exciting Enjoy the experience my friend congratulations...
@@FSEVENMAN thank you so much! The process was great and like I’ve heard from other Tesla owners, feels like every day is my birthday driving in it.
@@brian8944com I hear you, I got my 2020 in October and the car just continues to blow my mind.
Thanks for a much needed video !
Love your channel, bottom line simple for all to understand. Great job💯
going for my test drive in two days, ready to buy my M3, with delivery in June... sooooo excited, the more videos I watch the better it gets!!! :) Thanks for the important info
I’ve owned my Tesla since September 2020 and charge to 100% every day since. No issues. Have over 25k miles so far.
You should download and use the STATS app so it can project your battery degradation over time. The sooner you start using it, the better it's projections.
unless you are driving enough everyday that this is required, you are not doing your battery any favors. You will cause damage over the long term by doing this. It's your car so do what you like but there is plenty of info from actual experts that discourage this for long term battery health. 25k miles is nothing in terms of the life of a Tesla so don't count that as evidence it is not hurting your battery.
Thanks for the info. What is the indicated range at 100% now, compared to when it was new?
lol so dumb
It’s probably not too bad to charge to 100% daily, as long as it doesn’t sit at 100% for long and that it gets driven to below 90% for most of the day. That said, I wouldn’t do that myself. 90% max for daily.
I think general good practice is to try and stay as close to 50% as possible, so your average charge level is 50%.
- If you only use 20% of range everyday, charge your car to 60% so when you get home it’s at 40%.
- If you use 40% per day, then charge to 70% so you come home with 30%.
*- If you use 60% per day, I’d probably shift the window a little. Charge to 85% so you come home with 25%, this will give you a 5% buffer between “extremes.”*
Also charge as slow as possible.
This x infinity. It is known.
I concur 👍🏻👍🏻📕
ICE vehicles can benefit the same from the same logic. Only keep 2 gallons of gas in the car, you save 80 lbs by leaving the other 10 gallons out. better fuel economy.
As I contemplate a model 3 I found this to be excellent info, thank you and I did subscribe too. 👍
What a clear, simple and straightforward explanation. The best one I’ve seen yet. Keep it up and thank you!!
You know he is reading it straight out of the manual and Teslas Website, right? I’m amazed at how “amazed” people seem to be by basic stuff that’s available to anyone who can read...🤔
@@HsquaredH2 That may be true - and I’m one of the few people that read the manual almost entirely. However, most owners imo won’t touch the manual and having Frugal Tesla Guy bottom line it like that is great for them. I’m so surprised that most people are still confused about optimal charging practices because Tesla provides that information clearly. This video is for all those people, some of whom still believe that batteries need to be discharged & charged fully to prevent ‘the memory effect’. They must be Gen NiCad :)
Thank you for this video. I have a 2021 M3, I do a lot of driving therefore I find myself having to charge my car quite often. This was concerning to me. I think using the practices you mentioned might help to preserve some of my battery life. I just recently had the home charger installed so I'm anxious to see if leaving the car plugged in when not in use will decrease some of the battery drain. Thanks...
Great video, very informative. Thank you.
I live in a small town right now and drive about 10 mins a day to work so I am using 120 volt charger and that works well for me. I think I will be charging the car daily even tho I use 1 or 2% of my range when I drive unless I go out of town to the bigger city which is 100km away and then I just charge when I get home over a few days back to 80%.
First time on the channel. Like it.
Q. I have hourly rates, that are public from 13 o clock the day before through an open api.
Tesla does not seem to use this when set to "charge at off peak hours" :(
So I use my smart charger to turn the power on when free/cheap power. But then Tesla wont charge it says there is an error when no power flows.
What should I do?
The very manual approach, which is good for both battery and cheap - is:
1) start smartcharging (power on).
2) set Tesla to charge at min. Amp and plug in.
3) Manually increase the amp when the power is cheap.
4a) decrease amp to min. when power is expensive.
4b) or reach 80% so Tesla stop charging.
... Too much work!
This was so helpful! Thank you!
I drove BMW since 1970 and still own an BMW. I purchased a Model 3 a few months ago. Through the years I went through quit a few and different models of BMWs Four-Cylinder models to 8-Cylinder models.. Everyone told me an BMW engine especially the 6-Cylinder ones would last a few hundred thousands miles. But I replaced my BMW's at max less than a 100K miles. Yes, I kept up the oil changes and inspections of the cars for safely reasons and not for longevity of the engine or the drive train. Back to the Tesla battery charging habit, do I really care that much and worry about it? How much battery life you will lose by charging it over 90%. How many years you want or need to keep you Tesla. Will you tell your wife to get off your Tesla so you can have better range per charge of your car? So many discussions about charging a Tesla I think it is a waste of time and effort and getting nothing significant. That is my opinion.
this is such good and simple information, thank you! My model 3 RWD 2023 depleted from 272 to now 223 in 6 months, i also live in the east coast with cold seasons. I'm wondering will my battery capacity go back up in warmer seasons or it'll stayed degraded at 223 and possibility goes lower
Great video, very informative
I try to cycle between 20 and 76 % SOC and charge on AC on low Power....7kW peak :) pre heating the battery is very important, I take it easy if the cells are not warm and the car shows regen and small power limits, like a ice you have to take it easy if the engine is not warmt up. I also never push the car to the max if the SoC is below 50% and on realy hot day also take it easy because the cooling system have a hard time/needs a lot power to cool the cells and this will effect the range.
Great job Mike! Your explanation is the most clear of all I have seen. Thanks
When charging at night though should we keep the amps low as well so that charging takes all night, or have it charge quicker and then stay at the set charge limit over night?
great video! I've had my Model 3 LR for a week and I am following all of your advices :)
Thanks for the for the video, interesting. I will follow your recommendations
Great video! Very helpful information.
Hi Frugal Tesla Guy excellent information clear and concise and to the point My Tesla model 3 will be due 1st July so I will adopt your charging habits
Thank you. Excellent video.
Thank you for the very informative video!
What do you do if not try the Tesla a lot... just locally and occasionally not at all? I even wish they had options for the Tesla driver that wants to drive slowly (I call it the granny Tesla mode) and safely taking the slowest safest route least stressful route rather than the fastest... that would be my first choice for navigation options... also a Tesla safe driving learning app to teach us with applause if we get it right when they teach us and the funny fart machine when we get it wrong I would love anything involving learning so that's why am so happy you to pass wonderful teachers like you and other accounts I find so helpful. I really do like when you take a clip from the actual driving manual that's very helpful
I find NOT plugging in daily extends battery range. And works better when dropping to 30% to 80%. I used to go 60 to 80% daily, but it degrades (or software says) battery and range reduces. Now, the range is getting longer again,
Your videos are excellent, thank you!
Thanks Travis!
Very nice video. Thank you so much. All the thing you said is true
Great video... Thank you! As a new Model 3 owner, it answered many of my questions.
My 85D is a march 2015. 2.1% degradation. always had the limit to 90% Almost Never been over it. 109000km 8 years.
Very helpful! Looking at buying my first Tesla soon. 😊
Haven't watched any of your videos yet but keep in mind it's in Tesla's interest that you use their charging network