They have been extinct for millennia...BUT Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis were in existence in the time of the Acolyte and they should have demonstrated their power somehow, otherwise, how were they were powerful?
I mean I have my problems with the Acolyte but I'm cautiously optimistic. I am hoping this is going to be like Disenchantment where the first season is the weakest and by Season 2 things start getting into gear. Of course I could be wrong, but I'd rather not be
On that Rule of Two. I have not read any EU stuff which probably has described this concept in more detail. But from the canon movies it seems there are almost always more than two. There is an oficial Master and the Master's official Apprentice. But it seems that even the master is grooming someone else to take the place of his Apprentice. Case in point, Sidious. He had Maul and he was grooming Dooku at the same time. Apprentice's seems to have Acolytes to prepare for the taking over of the Master. I believe the Rule of Two is mostly to keep the Sith "balanced" for the most part. The point is that we don't have thousands of Sith causing a complicated un-balance of hatred and power craving that was at some point easily (well, maybe not easily) destroyed by the balanced order of the Jedi. A balance that even the Jedi could not manage for more than 1,000 years, which is now the time frame of ALL the Star Wars movies. The Acolyte, The Prequel Trilogy, and The Original Trilogy are all stories that surround the rise of the Sith from the shadows and the fall of the Jedi who have become unbalanced. The sequel trilogy was a bit of a lore shit show hopefully the next trilogy can get the stroy back on track. Or maybe it has to leave the Jedi and the Sith altogether while some other form of balance in the galaxy finds order and power. But I'm out of my league at this point. LOL.
People don't understand that the rule of two is for sith lords. Unless the second Lord kills his master the there's no official sith lords besides the original master and apprentice Most sith aren't like Anakin and dooku where they needed very little training and could almost instantly transition to sith Most are found as children like the Jedi found Anakin and then trained for YEARS before ever getting the title of sith lord And usually that requires them killing a Jedi
Sort of. There is always a Master and Apprentice...but the Apprentice is always on the look out for an 'Acolyte'. Together they defeat the old Master and the process begins anew as the Acolyte becomes rhe Apprenrice and soon starts looking for their own Acolyte.
He was a shipbuilder, Plagues (Hugo Damask) was a banker and one of the first Sith to learn Force heal, what Qimir used on Osha at the end of Episode 5.
"What happened to him?" "He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice k*lled him in his sleep. It's ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."
Tenebrous sounds pretty cool and it'd be awesome to see him, but I don't think that is where this is going at all. Some other kind of dark-side order. When asked by Sol what he is, Qimir says, "There is no name for what I am. A jedi like you might call me a sith." He's basically saying, I'm not a Sith, but that's the easiest way I can explain what I am.
He could be a Knight of Ren, if not Ren himself. They are dark side force users, but not completely Sith, as they were once Jedi. The clothes and mask look very similar to Kylo, who is a Knight of Ren.
@@spibuckeyefan1 I will say: Looking at Qimir/The Stranger's physique, he does seem to resemble the comic book depiction of Ren. That's one way for The Acolyte to avoid further affecting established SW canon. I still don't buy the fact that Lord Vader encountered this motley collective of Force-users, during The OT, and yet didn't massacre them all. We'll see. I wonder if any from this group survive to become members of The Acolytes Of The Beyond, existing through to the time of The ST Era and beyond?
Leslie Headland called him a Sith. Stop trying to explain that he might not be a Sith. The character said it and the creator of this awful show said it.
Great video! Thought i personally believe Qimir is Darth Venamis. Who was Darth Tenebrous's second & secret apprentice while having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice, violating the Rule of Two. Could be him? But idk, i got low expectations with how the show has been so far, but guess we'll have to wait and see. I just hope they dosen't throw away the tenebrous & plagueis story...
I was thinking that, but then they would not be Sith, just dark siders out for revenge. Which wouldn't break cannon, but could be interesting if Tenebrous or someone else showed up to clean up the mess.
If it is Tenebrous and Qimir is indeed a Sith apprentice, it could be that the new canon is having him be the apprentice before Plagueis, adding a bit extra to the lore by having him be something of a failed apprentice, one who goes against his control and teachings. Qimir does seem like he could be an impetuous and disgruntled apprentice, one who is rebelling against the Rule of 2's doctrine of hiding in plain sight. So he decides to strike out on his own, finding someone who has a deep loathing for the Jedi to become his apprentice (Mae) and like him, believes that the Jedi need to feel their power and their safety threatened and ultimately need to be taken down so that other force-wieders like the Sith no longer have to hide anymore.
Yeah true. Though Tenebrous had a second secret apprentice called Darth Venamis while also having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice, violating the rule of two. So this Qimir guy could technically be Venamis... but i guess we'll see. I just hope they haven't thrown out the entire tenebrous & plagueis story
This makes alot of sense with how he talks to Sol and with his obvious reveal to them. He could then get killed by Tenebrous for this or Tenebrous has Plagues kill him to earn his spot
Your premise falsely assumes that disney thinks far enough ahead to have such a plan or even cares about soundly connecting their trash to established lore. It should be obvious to you by now that they don’t.
@@AAA-qr8yy And you falsely assume that "established lore" is even a thing anymore, considering that the old EU lore is now deemed "Legends" and no longer canon. However. elements of it can be brought back, cortosis being a big case-in-point, and since Plageuis is still considered canon Tenebrous likely will be too, so it's not too much of a stretch to presume that maybe he could be connected here. But if Tenebrous is not involved here, well then, it's just a new layer to the new lore.
@@obi-wangregobi8033 You fail to exercise basic reading comprehension or logic. You failed to understand both my points. Firstly; Disney doesnt plan far enough ahead, nor care enough about internal consistency, for your stupid theorizing to mean anything. You are trying to put more thought into it than they even care to. So there is no chance anything they do will make sense in the end. Second; They also can’t even make their shit without destroying the entire premise of the prequels. You fail to realize the EU isn’t even relevant or necessary to the point I made.
Please, just stick with SW theory's content then. I'm tired of all this Disney complaining. We don't need another SW channel co-opted by the alt right.
@@MelchizedekKohen Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, in part because he didn't want to produce anymore SW content. So it's not like he needed money to produce anything new. To some, he should have picked a better steward for the franchise.
I think we are all ignoring the name of the series. It not sith lord or even apprentice, its acolyte, a term usually reserved for very low ranking people on the totem poll of power. My guess is we might run into more "sith" that in reality are the playthings of the true sith.
Why is nobody talking about the idea that Qimir could be a highly trained rogue Sith Assassin akin to Darth Maul, and that he’s neither of the Rule Of Two Sith during this era.
Because most SW fans actively hate SW and just want to confirm their preconceived biasses that this series is lorebreaking and terrible and bla bla bla rather than give it a genuine chance.........
@samuelazzaro the reason no chance is given is because they did break the lore for one with the second instance of someone being born from the force. And two, it's bringing real life issues into a sci fi series that no one wants real life specific issues to be present in
@@Carnage7314 it didn't break lore. The nightsisters could use the force to revive people, create undead, and also superhumans. Plus the difference between the twins and Anakin is that Anakin was born from the will of the force, the twins were created directly from outside forces which are very different things. I don't view it has real life issues either lol, one gender clans like the Namekians and Amazonians exist. We can have a cult of female witches too. These things are only as deep as you make it
@@samuelazzaro besides the whole lore break controversy. Let’s say that it’s not lore breaking at all, it’s still poorly written, the dialogue is miles worse than even the prequels, and the actors are wooden besides maybe a couple. There’s so many moments in this show that don’t make sense. There’s almost no redeeming qualities and If no one knew what the budget was they would have never guessed it was 180 million. Well we have 3 episodes left so the money might show itself but that’s a serious cope.
I have a question, if Qimir is being revealed then what is it that Tenebrus wants. This feels like a “look over here” move to distract from the true goal. In phantom menace all eyes were metaphorically on Naboo while palpatine was being elected to chancellor of the republic. I could be wrong though.
It doesn't matter who is canonically alive because this show is totally ignoring canon because the show runner doesn't know canon. The sith master is probably going to be Leslye's wife, it would explain the dumb "we must hide this from the jedi council" nonsense, the whip scar on Qimir's back, and the whole convoluted "evil is good, jedi are the real bad guys nonsense they've been playing up.
Stupendous I appreciate you making theory videos and videos about the lore without complaining and talking about your issues with the show. I wish more UA-camrs would just focus on the story and talk about the story the way you do in these specific videos, obviously it’s okay to not love the show but I miss videos like this from the community.
@@manz3x I’m not saying there isn’t places to complain, but I like the show and I appreciate videos that can just talk about the lore and theories of the show without talking about their opinions, there’s a time and place for review content, it doesn’t always need to be said
Yeah i doubt there is another sith hiding.. giving too much credit to the show to think they are hiding anything. Also brain size doesn’t equal intelligence. Actually can mean you are slower even. After a certain point signals within the brain take too long to travel making the brain run slower. So bith may be a bit slow especially tennebris
Naah, it can't be Sol. I think it's either Mother Korel or Indara. I don't think Indara is actually dead, for couple reasons. First one being that she is played by the most well known actress in the whole series, there is no way they would hire someone of her caliber to play a character who dies in the opening scene. Second reason is, that now, after having seen Mae in action more, there is just no way she is skilled enough to be able to take out a Jedi master of Indara's level in a 1on1 fight. Mae has lost every single fight she has had in the whole series apart from the fight with Indara, she couldn't even touch Torben (who was Indara's padawan and thus less powerful), and Qimir had to straight up tell her how to kill him. She was totally outclassed by Sol, who I would imagine being at roughly same power level as Indara. She even got beaten by Jecki, who was just a padawan. Indara probably just faked her death to get out of the spotlight.
@@mysticlegion8088 I think you’re mistaking my comment as an attack on commenters when I’m more talking about content creators. It’s fine to “talk facts” as a creator but when your entire channel devolves into just crying and complaining about how bad Star Wars is, yes, you are outrage farming. Yes Star Wars is ass now but watching creators whine about it just isn’t for me anymore. Could be for you though idk 🤷🏽♂️
Stupendous wave 12 days ago: "this makes no sense." Stupendous wave now: "this is starting to make more sense." Maybe we should just wait until the show is finished before we start claiming it ruins the lore.
@johnhoran9840 and Tenebrous wasn't known for being nice to failures. Plagiues either. You're likely to become part of their experiments for something like this which is worse than death. However, to keep canon, none should survive the series
The Sith are NOT extinct! Whether it's movies, tv, comics or novels. The Sith nor the Jedi ever completely die out. And like the Jedi, there is far more than just two! The rule of two is the equivalent to Jedi Master and Padawan. A lot of them just keep to themselves.
The Acolyte opening crawl says it takes place "a hundred years before the RISE of the Empire," and the rise of the Empire is marked by Order 66 which places the show at 119 BBY, not 132 BBY. Nothing in The Phantom Menace marks the rise of the Empire.
The balls? Pretty sure they just had an incredible "Sith" character they created absolutely and violently murder several Jedi, including headline characters. They need a wheelbarrow for their balls. Qimir is an incredible character, and gives off a damn near Vader level "I'm fucked" vibe when you see him. Sol is amazing as well. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars more than Star Trek fans.
@@Keltair13 Star Wars writers certainly have the balls but brains still remain in question. Character motivations can flip on a dime in this show, fire can apparently survive oxygen and burn down stone, but at least people can die from lightsabers again now!
I always thought it would have been cool if Tenebrous would have infected sidious when he killed Plageous and that's what made Sidious so strong. Being three Sith Lords in one.
Sidious was training Maul we he was still the apprentice to Plagieus. It was Plagieus who gave his blessing as long as he used him as an assassin. I think that's what Qamir is. Just an assassin.
Thank you for simply sharing your take on the story…not criticizing Disney, or inserting and insulting the makers of the Accolyte, as in EVERY other channel. It’s refreshing to just enjoy the story on our own, not having social or political bias to shape our enjoyment. Soooooo many channels have taken it upon themselves to try and fashion the Star Wars universe to their own desired results, rather than enjoy it, the good and bad, for what it is. A story, and a good one. I don’t always agree with the direction Disney has taken, but honestly, I believe they have done a better job than I would have imagined…and they take risks. They try and open the galaxy as far as it will allow. When I listen to people endlessly criticizing anything Disney has done, I can’t help but hear the Dark Side in their words and views. “Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.” -Morpheus
The more you become to soft on disney the more you are contributing to problem. You're normalizing mediocrity over quality and you will be a target, a victim to harsh criticism with that additude. Denis villenueve can do a better job in making s better star wars movie than kathleen kennedy ever would. Adhering to the SELF-DESTRUCTIVE PATH OF THE SLAVE MORALITY OF MEDIOCRITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in Bane's lineage, there were only 2 Sith, a Master and an Apprentice, who would eventually kill his master to then get an apprentice to continue the teaching and lineage of the Sith. However, Darth Tenebrous violated & broke the rule of 2 by getting a second and secret apprentice called Darth Venamis, while also having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice. So i personally believe Qimir could be Venamis. But overall there should only be 2 sith in the galaxy, but the rule of 2 has been broken quite some times, with example Venamis...
Earnest apologies ahead of time forvthe rambling wall of text. Seeing Tenebrous in this show was my first, and greatest, hope when I first heard about it. I have weird, personal reasons why, but Darth Tenebrous is somehow one of my favorite Legends characters, and the fact that he is a smart, analytical, science-minded being, even in a verse where "magic" is real, makes him even better. I am going to say something dumb, so fair warning. Maybe this "Sith" is purely a pretender? If you do enough digging, Palpatine knew about "the Sith" well before he ever met Darth Plagueis; he found oddly forgotten about lore on his own planet, and then basically just sat down, and waited for a teacher to come and find him, so maybe Darth Teeth also found some info that had slipped through the cracks? To many, "the Sith" is as much a religious creed, as anything else, and while the Jedi might believe that THE PRACTITIONERS are extinct, the words they lived by are simply suppressed, but could be found by another. The other organizations within the Force; someone had to, one day, come up with a new idea, lived it, and then codified it. THEY didn't have a "teacher", and someone else who found a treatise, and tried to live by it, might think they are also a member, even if self-taught. Still, the Sith is more than a mindset. They aren't just "evil Jedi", and have their own mysteries, and ways, that set them apart from other DS Cultists, but maybe this schmuck still has delusions of grandeur, and really BELIEVES he is, though that doesn't mean it's any more true than Luke just saying "then I am a Jedi." Palpatine could have practiced the Sith Creed, and that wouldn't have been a crime, apparently, so that lore must still be at least kind of available, and we DO know that it's there, because Palpatine found some himself; no Ro2 Sith had swept it up, to hide it, or roving Jedi Sentinel, to suppress it. If that were the case, maybe someone like Darth Tenebrous, or Darth Plagueis, would just hang back, out of sight, and collect Intel? See how big this was, as they had been unaware of the source, and where it came from? See if it's convincing enough that the Jedi bought it, or if the "true" Sith core was really still hidden, and when the time is right, make something happen to this upstart. The Jedi might just see this tossing around of a trigger word "Sith" as wishful thinking, on the part of those who seek to not live under the Jedi's limits, but the "real" Sith are still blessedly gone, if the Jedi even remember what those were, beyond words, after a thousand years of only reading accounts of them. That's just me, and I haven't watched this show, yet, so I am merely trying to use my own Star Wars nerd-power to talk out of my ass.😊 I'm not trying to defend it, as I've already mostly decided to skip it for other reasons, or wait till the whole season is watchable, and see if it redeems itself in the end. If you made it this far, thank you very much, but a question; why do the Jedi have a prophecy of the Chosen One, who will bring balance to the Force? In their minds, they won, a thousand years ago, and apart from individuals can make choices, they represent the majority of who can use the Force, so with the Sith gone, what did THEY expect a Chosen One to do, prior to the revelation that their ancient enemies had a modern iteration?
Amazing video!!! Star Wars lore is so rich and full of mysterious intrigue… If only Disney could adapt the lore into movies 🍿 as well as you have explained it here….😢
Great distillation, Good Sir. I do like the machinations of Darth Tenebrous. My hope is that his scientific/alchemist practices to create a Force Plague, draw some kind of inspiration from both the existences of The Nameless and The Drengir. As much as I dislike The Acolyte, and discount its inclusion in SW canon, I'm still hoping to see Lord Tenebrous appear in this miniseries. And, yes, my hope is that Qimir is Venamis. May The Force Be With You, Brother. P.S. Yes, I'd LOVE to see Ruges Nome appear in live-action and Animation.
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i hope Tenebraus comes, kills them all and Qimir, and thats the end of the Acolyte, and no one made it back to Ki Adi to tell him of what really happened. This is the way, the only way it can make sense for what he said in TPM
I haven't watched the series yet (don't know if I will), but I have a Prediction of sorts here. Qimir/The Stranger/Mr. Cortosis Smily Boi here is going to be "that" Dark Jedi who leaks the Rule of Two at the end of his life at the end of the show. Which would explain why Yoda said those lines at the end of The Phantom Menace. All the meanwhile Disney is gonna Disney and just wreck any sort of lore implication cuz they can I guess.
The master of Darth Tenebrous was a male twi'lek named Darth Ramage. You actually said that in a previous video. Also, I don't believe that Qimir is a Sith Lord. He never said that he was a Sith Lord; he told Master Sol that he was a Sith. I believe that he is part of a Sith sect who is trying to be accepted by the Dark Lord as their apprentice. If either Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau are involved with The Acolyte, then the Dark Lord will be Darth Tenebrous, as both men tend to stick to the Expanded Universe, and make it Canon. In the finale, I believe that we will see Qimir face Tenebrous's other acolyte, a young Muun named Hego Damask. The survivor will become his apprentice. We will get to see Hego Damask being renamed Darth Plagueis.
"The Stranger" is Darth Plagueis. I'm betting he's trying to kill his master who is probably "Mother" Koril. Recruiting her daughter to overthrow her is intended to strike a nerve, I'm sure.
It would be nice to see Plagueis and Tenebrous on screen, but we all know Disney will _NEVER_ get them right. I’m fully expecting them to either turn Plagueis into a woman or just skip him entirely and use someone else, just as a “fuck you” to Palpatine and Revenge of the Sith. Remember, the people writing and directing this show, even the actors, know _nothing_ about Star Wars, they don’t know the lore, they don’t know the canon, and Faloni is just making things up as he goes and inserting his own retcons. He got what he wanted, a shot at doing Live Action, and it failed horribly, and proved that he should stick to doing animation only.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”-Charles Baudelaire “The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is the good guy”-Ken Ammi
If we count legends. (and why shouldnt we? Its 10000% better than Disney's canon) then technically there was several Sith masters around this time, admitted some was technically dead. Such as Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, but if a force sensitive ever found their spirits then technically they could teach and raise another unknown Sith outside the rule of two.
Nah. Zabrak lez witch manipulated Smilo. She's the puppet master. For them to pull from EU, they'd have to know how to read, and Filoni and Favreau are the only ones that have read anything Legends, and it appears Filoni is biding his time while working on new animated stuff that, unlike live action SW, may be worth watching. Tbh, I wish all the main Star Wars content creators got together and Disney hired them for round table sessions. People with passion and knowledge instead of hatred for the IP that care only about activism.
There's no conversation. Nobody's talking about this. Besides people making fun of it, I can't even open my page page without a 100 videos of different people making I hate acolite videos. Of all different races sexist and creeds
So you people believe a character who is known for lying and deceiving😂😂😂you can't make this shit up. The rule of two??? So you would believe this shit coming for people who is a morally evil person. Why would they keep any rule? At what point do they follow their own rules😂😂😂
Qimir is the origin of the REN and the Sith master will be Aniseya. Won’t be surprised if they make her Plagues This show is for 7 yr olds. Before anyone replies that SW was made of adolescent boys. Harry Potter was made for adolescents also and was still good and didn’t put adults to sleep. This is Nickelodeon level writing and acting. Not SW
Umm...for you to reference SW Legends in any context of this show is crazy. The writers have bastardized the continuity/canon - so frankly, it's fan fiction. And its awful
Tenebrous is the current Master. Plagueis, at his possible oldest, is 15 and being the apprentice. Venamis, like Tenebrous was a Bith and Plagueis was a Muun. Tenebrous did have a list of known powerful force sensitive users. Qimir IMO is one of those on the list.
The show it's pretty straight forward: I don't believe Darth Tenebrous has anything to do with the show. I do strongly believe that Qirim it's only a rogue Jedi. Two more episodes to go and I bet we will never see Tenebrous, Venemous or Darth Plagues. Everyone keep forgetting that Darth T. Was a scientist he care not for simple rifle or gossip. Darth Plagues would had been a great addition but at this point he would had been too busy learning from his master.
I think you are giving Leslye Headland far too much credit. She simply included Plagueis for the wow factor of being the first to have him in live action. I doubt she even knows who he really is or what his accomplishments are. I assume she did this to further her toxic femininity agenda by making it look as if Plagueis stole his ideas from the Witches of Bannoc.
I always liked to think that Tenebrous did in fact become that ultimate Sith, or at least close to it. In newer material it seems to me like Vader is more like a Sith spirit that possesses Anakin, or inVades him (I know, cheap play on words, but Hollywood writers do that stuff.). Tenebrous being that invader. He kicked off the creation of the Chosen one (Anakin) and then later possessed him since he knew his lifespan would run out.
Darth Tenebrous should be the real Sith Lord in the High Republic era. That guy in the 5th episode doesn’t have what it takes to become a Sith. You can’t just have the Force and red lightsaber to call yourself a Sith. You have to know the ancient knowledge of the Sith
If Tenebrous foresaw Plagueis’ death at the hand of Sidious…and his plan was to take over Anakin’s…couldn’t he have just taken over Palpatine with his virus, and just wait longer?
I’m sorry but the authors of modern Star Wars don’t use Legends as source material furthermore they’ve exclaimed moving away from anything Lucas related as it’s too “patriarchal”.
At this stage Plagueis would have been like thirteen. I'm not positive at what age he became the apprentice. So is it possible Tenebrous had an apprentice before Plagueis? Yes it is possible BUT revealing oneself to be a Sith would have also gotten Qimir killed as the Sith wanted to remain hidden. A bit of a twist would be having Qimir killing all those that know of him then Tenebrous showing up at the very end onty to eliminate Qimir for daring speak the word Sith.
" *You* would call me Sith"... He didn't claim to be a Sith, and I highly doubt he is one. Sith secrets are condensed in the rule of two, but they're still also spread throughout the galaxy, if you know where to look.
It’s a cool story and all, I just wonder why he wouldn’t just keep jumping bodies though, he is so smart, he knows the rule of two, why wouldn’t he just stick around to keep moving until he lands on the chosen one? And if he could, and fully take over, why didn’t he with plagueus ?
I wonder what Qimir's official Sith name is .... I think hie is Plaguies's first apprentice ... and its crazy Sith are usually more skilled with a lightsaber yet they all hate using lightsabers .. I think this is why they usually make better warriors
Darth Tenebrous is one if my favorite Sith Lords probably even top 10, And if he does make a cameo in the Acolyte I might consider watching just for that
Oh god.. I hope I am wrong but I can see them replacing Hugo with Osha - a strong force child then becoming the canon version of plaguies. As he had „made“ the twins with the witches 🙈🙈🙈
The virus was a failure because the force works the same way for both sides of it. It’s not some different thing between Jedi and Sith, so the virus would just fuck over everyone that had the ability to call on the force. Read plagueis again, bro.
I wonder if they're going to make these earlier Sith lords canon. It's ironic if what Palpatine was true and the whole Darth Bane bloodline was the same spirit and he was such a human supremacist. Seems the fanfic writers of Legends loved going through every known race for their Sith Lords which may have added to Palp's hate.
I know you’ve made videos previously about how disappointing the show is, but Star Wars fans hate the show. It’s terrible and goes against so much of the lore that at this point I’m convinced that Disney hates Star Wars and its fans. Honestly I’m not going to watch any videos entertaining this show in any capacity, aside from how bad it is
What you're referring to is Legends content, and thus not canon. They are rewriting canonical history. It's entirely possible that they will change the name of Palpatine's master, or maybe just the species.
i feel bad for tenebrous, he treated qimir like a son never had...there is some good in him, i bet it hurt qimir in very bad way when Plagueis crush his master by giants rocks from mine ceiling ...yes the anger qimir would be at level 10 to fight against plagueis all he got but that wouldn't be enough when plagueis gonna take qimir as slave
Probably stretching. Seems the Disney writers / directors have no regard for legends or lore, and are making their own abomination of Lucas' masterpiece.
This was a great video, I'm a bit sad that they have so much lore available, and yet the execution of the acolyte is not great. Even if Quimir was killing Jedi, at least show him how he is hiding all this from the jedi, not leave him to some moths to get the job done and not verify his death :( like... here's a being able to defeat several jedi and you don't confirm the kill and leave all your comrades behind?
More than likely Disney will do what they did before with Episodes 7-9 and say screw the lore and the fans, we own it and we will do what we want with it. They have a gold mine if they follow the lore and introduce Plagus or Tenebrous or even the unknown Twilek before Tenebrous. I don't want to speak too soon so we will see what they do. But I am predicting they are gonna do what they have always done since they bought the series and piss of Lucas and the fans and destroy the lore before Episode 1.
You know even Bane broke the rule of two. Tenebrous, Plagueis, Palps and dooku all broke the rule of 2. Its not that black and white. So stop treating it as religion.
All right everyone don't get your hopes up that these aliens are in Cannon and then you get upset does the Sith Lords aren't aliens especially the Bith; which I think is way too corny as a villain and I can't take it seriously. Just because they take things out of Canada doesn't mean that they're not bringing a whole lot of stuff from Canon into the franchise so I don't know why people are complaining
What do you say is the best lightsaber form? And if you were to make a perfect lightsaber, what crystal, design, and material would make the lightsaber?
Legends continuity has no validity. Plageous is the only Sith Lord that has been name dropped in "canon" . It'll be Plageous as the big bad in Acolyte.
Excuse me, sir. But the Sith have been extinct for a millennia...
Gullible people these days! am i right? don't believe everything you hear! THE. SITH. HAVE. BEEN. EXTINCT. FOR. A. MILLENNIA!
SO they thought remember EVIL and GOOD NEVER DIES
@@PaulSimon-ee3gg I get a sense that you just don't understand the core concept of the Prequels or this show.
It is rumored that David Harewood will play a Sith master possibly Darth Tenebris or Plagueis
They have been extinct for millennia...BUT Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis were in existence in the time of the Acolyte and they should have demonstrated their power somehow, otherwise, how were they were powerful?
I dont expect disney to be able to write a story that good tbh.
This is such a fact LMAO
I mean I have my problems with the Acolyte but I'm cautiously optimistic. I am hoping this is going to be like Disenchantment where the first season is the weakest and by Season 2 things start getting into gear. Of course I could be wrong, but I'd rather not be
I mean he also had another apprentice that Plagues didn’t know about; breaking the rule of two. I could see them building the story around that
He was just a candidate. He would have had to kill Plaeguis to take the mantle
On that Rule of Two. I have not read any EU stuff which probably has described this concept in more detail. But from the canon movies it seems there are almost always more than two. There is an oficial Master and the Master's official Apprentice. But it seems that even the master is grooming someone else to take the place of his Apprentice. Case in point, Sidious. He had Maul and he was grooming Dooku at the same time. Apprentice's seems to have Acolytes to prepare for the taking over of the Master. I believe the Rule of Two is mostly to keep the Sith "balanced" for the most part. The point is that we don't have thousands of Sith causing a complicated un-balance of hatred and power craving that was at some point easily (well, maybe not easily) destroyed by the balanced order of the Jedi. A balance that even the Jedi could not manage for more than 1,000 years, which is now the time frame of ALL the Star Wars movies. The Acolyte, The Prequel Trilogy, and The Original Trilogy are all stories that surround the rise of the Sith from the shadows and the fall of the Jedi who have become unbalanced. The sequel trilogy was a bit of a lore shit show hopefully the next trilogy can get the stroy back on track. Or maybe it has to leave the Jedi and the Sith altogether while some other form of balance in the galaxy finds order and power. But I'm out of my league at this point. LOL.
yeah Darth Venamis, that's my guess... Hopefully they havent thrown Tenebrous and Plagueis out of the picture...
It is rumored that David Harewood will play a Sith master possibly Darth Tenebris or Plagueis
People don't understand that the rule of two is for sith lords. Unless the second Lord kills his master the there's no official sith lords besides the original master and apprentice
Most sith aren't like Anakin and dooku where they needed very little training and could almost instantly transition to sith
Most are found as children like the Jedi found Anakin and then trained for YEARS before ever getting the title of sith lord
And usually that requires them killing a Jedi
The rule of two is BS. Theres almost always a Master and apprentice AND the apprentice secret apprentice.
“It is most unfortunate that you are attempting to deceive me.” “Master?” “YOU HAVE BECOME A RIVAL!”
Sort of. There is always a Master and Apprentice...but the Apprentice is always on the look out for an 'Acolyte'.
Together they defeat the old Master and the process begins anew as the Acolyte becomes rhe Apprenrice and soon starts looking for their own Acolyte.
Don't forget that the master keeps a bunch of secret back up apprentices
That’s why the rule of 2 bane made was stupid
But there are only two true Sith. Like with Maul, he didn't really become an apprentice til Sidious was almost ready to do away with Plaegius.
Tennebrus sounds like he wasn't reslly a sith but just a outlaw scientist
He was a shipbuilder, Plagues (Hugo Damask) was a banker and one of the first Sith to learn Force heal, what Qimir used on Osha at the end of Episode 5.
This is an amazing story that not even single writer from Disney could pull off to be honest, because they dont hire actual fans of Star Wars
"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... Unnatural..." - Darth Sidious 19 BBY - 35 BBY
"What happened to him?"
"He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice k*lled him in his sleep. It's ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."
"Is it possible to learn this power?"
"Not from a Jedi..."
There's stories behind stories of the force that can be told.. we know how it ends . Tell how it started 😂
@@markeithwhitaker409 Obi Wan's version or the VERY beginning?
@@GabeSchmitt bro Palpatine is so strong that he admits he died and came back saying the same lines in the new movies. 😂
Tenebrous sounds pretty cool and it'd be awesome to see him, but I don't think that is where this is going at all. Some other kind of dark-side order. When asked by Sol what he is, Qimir says, "There is no name for what I am. A jedi like you might call me a sith." He's basically saying, I'm not a Sith, but that's the easiest way I can explain what I am.
I am glad you said this. He he didn't say he was a Sith, he said they might call him one. It's like most people don't get the subtly of language.
@@mrq1701 Except, Leslye Headland, the Showrunner for The Acolyte, stated that he's a Sith.
He could be a Knight of Ren, if not Ren himself. They are dark side force users, but not completely Sith, as they were once Jedi. The clothes and mask look very similar to Kylo, who is a Knight of Ren.
@@spibuckeyefan1 I will say: Looking at Qimir/The Stranger's physique, he does seem to resemble the comic book depiction of Ren. That's one way for The Acolyte to avoid further affecting established SW canon. I still don't buy the fact that Lord Vader encountered this motley collective of Force-users, during The OT, and yet didn't massacre them all. We'll see. I wonder if any from this group survive to become members of The Acolytes Of The Beyond, existing through to the time of The ST Era and beyond?
Leslie Headland called him a Sith. Stop trying to explain that he might not be a Sith. The character said it and the creator of this awful show said it.
To be fair he didn't say that he was a sith, he said that the jedi might call him that.
That's one that's been coming up a lot lately, and I find it kind of intriguing.
Yeah but the actors and the showrunners have also called him a sith
Great video! Thought i personally believe Qimir is Darth Venamis. Who was Darth Tenebrous's second & secret apprentice while having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice, violating the Rule of Two.
Could be him? But idk, i got low expectations with how the show has been so far, but guess we'll have to wait and see. I just hope they dosen't throw away the tenebrous & plagueis story...
Darth Tenebrous's master was called Darth Ramage
It will wind up being that zabrak woman from the first episode.
That would be soo sick !!!! Ngl ! 😍
It will. A little annoying that they won’t maintain the continuity of Tenebrous being a Bith, but oh well
I was thinking that, but then they would not be Sith, just dark siders out for revenge. Which wouldn't break cannon, but could be interesting if Tenebrous or someone else showed up to clean up the mess.
@@ppppppppp64 also the continuity of tenebrous being a scientist.
@@christrudden5114 considering they have ki -adi now in a time before he was born in the old canon. 🤷🏻♂️
There is no mafia . Sorry sith lol
"This force thing of ours"
Okay darth soprano
If it is Tenebrous and Qimir is indeed a Sith apprentice, it could be that the new canon is having him be the apprentice before Plagueis, adding a bit extra to the lore by having him be something of a failed apprentice, one who goes against his control and teachings.
Qimir does seem like he could be an impetuous and disgruntled apprentice, one who is rebelling against the Rule of 2's doctrine of hiding in plain sight. So he decides to strike out on his own, finding someone who has a deep loathing for the Jedi to become his apprentice (Mae) and like him, believes that the Jedi need to feel their power and their safety threatened and ultimately need to be taken down so that other force-wieders like the Sith no longer have to hide anymore.
Yeah true.
Though Tenebrous had a second secret apprentice called Darth Venamis while also having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice, violating the rule of two. So this Qimir guy could technically be Venamis... but i guess we'll see. I just hope they haven't thrown out the entire tenebrous & plagueis story
This makes alot of sense with how he talks to Sol and with his obvious reveal to them. He could then get killed by Tenebrous for this or Tenebrous has Plagues kill him to earn his spot
Your premise falsely assumes that disney thinks far enough ahead to have such a plan or even cares about soundly connecting their trash to established lore. It should be obvious to you by now that they don’t.
@@AAA-qr8yy And you falsely assume that "established lore" is even a thing anymore, considering that the old EU lore is now deemed "Legends" and no longer canon. However. elements of it can be brought back, cortosis being a big case-in-point, and since Plageuis is still considered canon Tenebrous likely will be too, so it's not too much of a stretch to presume that maybe he could be connected here. But if Tenebrous is not involved here, well then, it's just a new layer to the new lore.
@@obi-wangregobi8033 You fail to exercise basic reading comprehension or logic. You failed to understand both my points.
Firstly; Disney doesnt plan far enough ahead, nor care enough about internal consistency, for your stupid theorizing to mean anything. You are trying to put more thought into it than they even care to. So there is no chance anything they do will make sense in the end.
Second; They also can’t even make their shit without destroying the entire premise of the prequels. You fail to realize the EU isn’t even relevant or necessary to the point I made.
The fundamental flaw in the premise of this video is thinking that Disney gives one actual single f**k what the pre-established lore has to say.
Thank you
Please, just stick with SW theory's content then. I'm tired of all this Disney complaining. We don't need another SW channel co-opted by the alt right.
In an ideal world, lucas should be in charge and Disney the funding source, but I guess that's too easy
@@MelchizedekKohen Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, in part because he didn't want to produce anymore SW content. So it's not like he needed money to produce anything new. To some, he should have picked a better steward for the franchise.
@charlessailer4580 'in a ideal world' I am aware of what's what ✌️
a sith lord the ancient enemy of the Jedi
It is rumored that David Harewood will play a Sith master possibly Darth Tenebris or Plagueis
I think we are all ignoring the name of the series. It not sith lord or even apprentice, its acolyte, a term usually reserved for very low ranking people on the totem poll of power. My guess is we might run into more "sith" that in reality are the playthings of the true sith.
Why is nobody talking about the idea that Qimir could be a highly trained rogue Sith Assassin akin to Darth Maul, and that he’s neither of the Rule Of Two Sith during this era.
This is before Plagueis was born. Tenebrous likely had MANY apprentices and acolytes over the years.
Because most SW fans actively hate SW and just want to confirm their preconceived biasses that this series is lorebreaking and terrible and bla bla bla rather than give it a genuine chance.........
@samuelazzaro the reason no chance is given is because they did break the lore for one with the second instance of someone being born from the force. And two, it's bringing real life issues into a sci fi series that no one wants real life specific issues to be present in
@@Carnage7314 it didn't break lore. The nightsisters could use the force to revive people, create undead, and also superhumans. Plus the difference between the twins and Anakin is that Anakin was born from the will of the force, the twins were created directly from outside forces which are very different things.
I don't view it has real life issues either lol, one gender clans like the Namekians and Amazonians exist. We can have a cult of female witches too. These things are only as deep as you make it
@@samuelazzaro besides the whole lore break controversy. Let’s say that it’s not lore breaking at all, it’s still poorly written, the dialogue is miles worse than even the prequels, and the actors are wooden besides maybe a couple. There’s so many moments in this show that don’t make sense. There’s almost no redeeming qualities and If no one knew what the budget was they would have never guessed it was 180 million. Well we have 3 episodes left so the money might show itself but that’s a serious cope.
There are only two Sith. No more, no less.
Except for the alternates that are always around lol
But like 50 Dark Side using “Inquisitors”
@@ScrubGamingProductions You got my point. Smylo Ren is no Sith. Tenebrous and Plagueis are present at the time.
@@LordBrittish Yes, but only 2 Sith.
That's more of a guideline as a rule... I mean they are sith
Darth Tenebreous exposes Kaiser Wilhelm II as a Sith Lord. I always felt uneasy with the Tirpitz race on Dac.
I have a question, if Qimir is being revealed then what is it that Tenebrus wants. This feels like a “look over here” move to distract from the true goal. In phantom menace all eyes were metaphorically on Naboo while palpatine was being elected to chancellor of the republic. I could be wrong though.
Does it matter "who could be alive" when they can will anyone's age as they please? At least they're keeping their hands off Dooku.
It doesn't matter who is canonically alive because this show is totally ignoring canon because the show runner doesn't know canon. The sith master is probably going to be Leslye's wife, it would explain the dumb "we must hide this from the jedi council" nonsense, the whip scar on Qimir's back, and the whole convoluted "evil is good, jedi are the real bad guys nonsense they've been playing up.
Stupendous I appreciate you making theory videos and videos about the lore without complaining and talking about your issues with the show. I wish more UA-camrs would just focus on the story and talk about the story the way you do in these specific videos, obviously it’s okay to not love the show but I miss videos like this from the community.
I agree with this
People complain about the show because the show is terrible 🤦🏽♂️
Same! Well done.
@manz3x people who aren't enjoying the show should stop watching the show. It's that easy.
@@manz3x I’m not saying there isn’t places to complain, but I like the show and I appreciate videos that can just talk about the lore and theories of the show without talking about their opinions, there’s a time and place for review content, it doesn’t always need to be said
Darth Tenebrous didn’t die by the way, he went into hiding and started a Jizz band that plays in cantina’s.
Yeah i doubt there is another sith hiding.. giving too much credit to the show to think they are hiding anything.
Also brain size doesn’t equal intelligence. Actually can mean you are slower even. After a certain point signals within the brain take too long to travel making the brain run slower. So bith may be a bit slow especially tennebris
Believe Sol is the other sith
Wrong, but very Interesting. W Conspiracy.
Naah, it can't be Sol. I think it's either Mother Korel or Indara. I don't think Indara is actually dead, for couple reasons. First one being that she is played by the most well known actress in the whole series, there is no way they would hire someone of her caliber to play a character who dies in the opening scene. Second reason is, that now, after having seen Mae in action more, there is just no way she is skilled enough to be able to take out a Jedi master of Indara's level in a 1on1 fight. Mae has lost every single fight she has had in the whole series apart from the fight with Indara, she couldn't even touch Torben (who was Indara's padawan and thus less powerful), and Qimir had to straight up tell her how to kill him. She was totally outclassed by Sol, who I would imagine being at roughly same power level as Indara. She even got beaten by Jecki, who was just a padawan. Indara probably just faked her death to get out of the spotlight.
@@Klaital1 Ey that makes totally sense. Indara being the master is a big possibility
I hope Tenobrous makes an appearance
Maybe the rule of two is just plain stupid. Nobody follows it lmao
I wonder if Tenebrous is using Qimir like how Sidious used Maul.
Thank you for not outage farming Stupendous!!!
So talking facts is outrage farming??
LoL 😂😂
I swear it never gets better, it some how, some way finds a way to get worse.
@@mysticlegion8088 I think you’re mistaking my comment as an attack on commenters when I’m more talking about content creators. It’s fine to “talk facts” as a creator but when your entire channel devolves into just crying and complaining about how bad Star Wars is, yes, you are outrage farming.
Yes Star Wars is ass now but watching creators whine about it just isn’t for me anymore. Could be for you though idk 🤷🏽♂️
Stupendous wave 12 days ago: "this makes no sense."
Stupendous wave now: "this is starting to make more sense."
Maybe we should just wait until the show is finished before we start claiming it ruins the lore.
no body talks about Darth darthington. and his gaggle of geese.
Qimir is gonna get punished for this
Exposing himself to kill a handful of Jedi? If he IS Sith, he's risking the Grand Plan.
@johnhoran9840 and Tenebrous wasn't known for being nice to failures. Plagiues either. You're likely to become part of their experiments for something like this which is worse than death. However, to keep canon, none should survive the series
It is rumored that David Harewood will play a Sith master possibly Darth Tenebris or Plagueis
@@simonssays78 Too early for Plagueis, but if he plays Tenebrous I'll give them a round of applause.
@@ScrubGamingProductions What Plagueis did to Venamis was ghastly. Yes, every Jedi who encountered this guy has to die.
The Sith are NOT extinct! Whether it's movies, tv, comics or novels. The Sith nor the Jedi ever completely die out. And like the Jedi, there is far more than just two! The rule of two is the equivalent to Jedi Master and Padawan. A lot of them just keep to themselves.
Leslye Headland has said there are two Sith in this show.
So, Smilo Ren's master is a bugface... this is getting interesting !!
The Acolyte opening crawl says it takes place "a hundred years before the RISE of the Empire," and the rise of the Empire is marked by Order 66 which places the show at 119 BBY, not 132 BBY. Nothing in The Phantom Menace marks the rise of the Empire.
Plagueis is one of the greatest Sith lords of all time, not just for his abilities in the force, but his intellect.
The Acolyte writers have neither the balls nor the brain cells to come up with something for Darth Tenebrous.
The balls? Pretty sure they just had an incredible "Sith" character they created absolutely and violently murder several Jedi, including headline characters. They need a wheelbarrow for their balls. Qimir is an incredible character, and gives off a damn near Vader level "I'm fucked" vibe when you see him. Sol is amazing as well. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars more than Star Trek fans.
Really? And you do? Please let us all know.
@@MADC1973 Was your reply intended for my comment? Because if so it makes zero sense to what I said.
@@Keltair13 Star Wars writers certainly have the balls but brains still remain in question. Character motivations can flip on a dime in this show, fire can apparently survive oxygen and burn down stone, but at least people can die from lightsabers again now!
The Acolyte writers have a Sith Lord - Darth Filone
it was so sad seeing lagues pulled into this garbage.
Tenebrous was bad at least he gave us plaugess
I always thought it would have been cool if Tenebrous would have infected sidious when he killed Plageous and that's what made Sidious so strong. Being three Sith Lords in one.
The way its going darth vader is the one behind the scenes LOL
ACOLYTE just making people alive when they arent yet 😂
“REMEMBER, The first and only reality of the Sith .. There can only be 2!” - Darth Sidious
Before Disney brings up the question: What is a Sith anyways? Anyone can be a Sith if they believe it. 😅
For the Bane Sith lineage yes. But even they broke this rule frequently.
"And you have been replaced."
Sidious was training Maul we he was still the apprentice to Plagieus. It was Plagieus who gave his blessing as long as he used him as an assassin. I think that's what Qamir is. Just an assassin.
@@boskii721its still weird that he’d reveal himself to the Jedi, goes against the grand plan..🤔
This series could possibly lead directly into The Phantom Menace.
A fate worse than death itself
Being tortuted and not being able to die.
You can be a sith without a master. Just a random sith loving his life.
Not in the Rule of 2.
@@TheStupendousWave how would anyone know if you just keep it to yourself
@@dex3779”The Sith” is an order. If you just started using the dark side then you’re not a Sith, you’re just a dark side user.
@@JMitch556 but like qimir said jedis called anyone that uses a lighatsaber with dark side a sith
@@dex3779 Exactly . I believe the is to throw the Jedi off the trail of the true threat behind the scenes . I Believe Quimers master is Venamis .
Correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe qimir is a ren hence the title of the episode knight
It was night, not knight. The episode before it was called Day. It's a good theory, but the evidence just isn't there. Sorry bro
@@AmelityshTV That actually feels like the kind of Monday crossword puzzle clue ''cleverness'' we might be dealing with.
@stevena.7022 I apologise but I'm unsure if that's an agreement with me or a really good insult
@@stevena.7022 There is nothing clever in that show...
Sith just keep Sithing. Every one of them get betrayed and they're ALWAYS SURPRISED 😮 😲 😯
Thank you for simply sharing your take on the story…not criticizing Disney, or inserting and insulting the makers of the Accolyte, as in EVERY other channel. It’s refreshing to just enjoy the story on our own, not having social or political bias to shape our enjoyment. Soooooo many channels have taken it upon themselves to try and fashion the Star Wars universe to their own desired results, rather than enjoy it, the good and bad, for what it is. A story, and a good one.
I don’t always agree with the direction Disney has taken, but honestly, I believe they have done a better job than I would have imagined…and they take risks. They try and open the galaxy as far as it will allow. When I listen to people endlessly criticizing anything Disney has done, I can’t help but hear the Dark Side in their words and views.
“Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.” -Morpheus
The more you become to soft on disney the more you are contributing to problem. You're normalizing mediocrity over quality and you will be a target, a victim to harsh criticism with that additude. Denis villenueve can do a better job in making s better star wars movie than kathleen kennedy ever would. Adhering to the SELF-DESTRUCTIVE PATH OF THE SLAVE MORALITY OF MEDIOCRITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
acolyte sucks
He could be an unknown sith that is far removed from Darth plagues master. I highly think that there are more than just two sith at any given time.
in Bane's lineage, there were only 2 Sith, a Master and an Apprentice, who would eventually kill his master to then get an apprentice to continue the teaching and lineage of the Sith. However, Darth Tenebrous violated & broke the rule of 2 by getting a second and secret apprentice called Darth Venamis, while also having Darth Plagueis as his "main" apprentice. So i personally believe Qimir could be Venamis.
But overall there should only be 2 sith in the galaxy, but the rule of 2 has been broken quite some times, with example Venamis...
@@adriannn1180 Venamis was a Bith, not human so cant be him. Unless Disney is just going to fuck over more lore
Earnest apologies ahead of time forvthe rambling wall of text.
Seeing Tenebrous in this show was my first, and greatest, hope when I first heard about it. I have weird, personal reasons why, but Darth Tenebrous is somehow one of my favorite Legends characters, and the fact that he is a smart, analytical, science-minded being, even in a verse where "magic" is real, makes him even better.
I am going to say something dumb, so fair warning. Maybe this "Sith" is purely a pretender? If you do enough digging, Palpatine knew about "the Sith" well before he ever met Darth Plagueis; he found oddly forgotten about lore on his own planet, and then basically just sat down, and waited for a teacher to come and find him, so maybe Darth Teeth also found some info that had slipped through the cracks? To many, "the Sith" is as much a religious creed, as anything else, and while the Jedi might believe that THE PRACTITIONERS are extinct, the words they lived by are simply suppressed, but could be found by another. The other organizations within the Force; someone had to, one day, come up with a new idea, lived it, and then codified it. THEY didn't have a "teacher", and someone else who found a treatise, and tried to live by it, might think they are also a member, even if self-taught. Still, the Sith is more than a mindset. They aren't just "evil Jedi", and have their own mysteries, and ways, that set them apart from other DS Cultists, but maybe this schmuck still has delusions of grandeur, and really BELIEVES he is, though that doesn't mean it's any more true than Luke just saying "then I am a Jedi." Palpatine could have practiced the Sith Creed, and that wouldn't have been a crime, apparently, so that lore must still be at least kind of available, and we DO know that it's there, because Palpatine found some himself; no Ro2 Sith had swept it up, to hide it, or roving Jedi Sentinel, to suppress it. If that were the case, maybe someone like Darth Tenebrous, or Darth Plagueis, would just hang back, out of sight, and collect Intel? See how big this was, as they had been unaware of the source, and where it came from? See if it's convincing enough that the Jedi bought it, or if the "true" Sith core was really still hidden, and when the time is right, make something happen to this upstart. The Jedi might just see this tossing around of a trigger word "Sith" as wishful thinking, on the part of those who seek to not live under the Jedi's limits, but the "real" Sith are still blessedly gone, if the Jedi even remember what those were, beyond words, after a thousand years of only reading accounts of them.
That's just me, and I haven't watched this show, yet, so I am merely trying to use my own Star Wars nerd-power to talk out of my ass.😊 I'm not trying to defend it, as I've already mostly decided to skip it for other reasons, or wait till the whole season is watchable, and see if it redeems itself in the end.
If you made it this far, thank you very much, but a question; why do the Jedi have a prophecy of the Chosen One, who will bring balance to the Force? In their minds, they won, a thousand years ago, and apart from individuals can make choices, they represent the majority of who can use the Force, so with the Sith gone, what did THEY expect a Chosen One to do, prior to the revelation that their ancient enemies had a modern iteration?
Amazing video!!! Star Wars lore is so rich and full of mysterious intrigue… If only Disney could adapt the lore into movies 🍿 as well as you have explained it here….😢
Darkness uses all tools to gain absolute power indeed.
One season is not enough to be canon
Great distillation, Good Sir. I do like the machinations of Darth Tenebrous. My hope is that his scientific/alchemist practices to create a Force Plague, draw some kind of inspiration from both the existences of The Nameless and The Drengir. As much as I dislike The Acolyte, and discount its inclusion in SW canon, I'm still hoping to see Lord Tenebrous appear in this miniseries. And, yes, my hope is that Qimir is Venamis. May The Force Be With You, Brother.
P.S. Yes, I'd LOVE to see Ruges Nome appear in live-action and Animation.
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i hope Tenebraus comes, kills them all and Qimir, and thats the end of the Acolyte, and no one made it back to Ki Adi to tell him of what really happened. This is the way, the only way it can make sense for what he said in TPM
If Darth Tenebrous is involved, that wouldn't be too bad. He also did not follow the rule of 2.
I haven't watched the series yet (don't know if I will), but I have a Prediction of sorts here.
Qimir/The Stranger/Mr. Cortosis Smily Boi here is going to be "that" Dark Jedi who leaks the Rule of Two at the end of his life at the end of the show. Which would explain why Yoda said those lines at the end of The Phantom Menace.
All the meanwhile Disney is gonna Disney and just wreck any sort of lore implication cuz they can I guess.
The master of Darth Tenebrous was a male twi'lek named Darth Ramage. You actually said that in a previous video. Also, I don't believe that Qimir is a Sith Lord. He never said that he was a Sith Lord; he told Master Sol that he was a Sith. I believe that he is part of a Sith sect who is trying to be accepted by the Dark Lord as their apprentice. If either Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau are involved with The Acolyte, then the Dark Lord will be Darth Tenebrous, as both men tend to stick to the Expanded Universe, and make it Canon. In the finale, I believe that we will see Qimir face Tenebrous's other acolyte, a young Muun named Hego Damask. The survivor will become his apprentice. We will get to see Hego Damask being renamed Darth Plagueis.
No would like to see Darth Bane RULE OF TWO …
"The Stranger" is Darth Plagueis. I'm betting he's trying to kill his master who is probably "Mother" Koril. Recruiting her daughter to overthrow her is intended to strike a nerve, I'm sure.
It would be nice to see Plagueis and Tenebrous on screen, but we all know Disney will _NEVER_ get them right. I’m fully expecting them to either turn Plagueis into a woman or just skip him entirely and use someone else, just as a “fuck you” to Palpatine and Revenge of the Sith. Remember, the people writing and directing this show, even the actors, know _nothing_ about Star Wars, they don’t know the lore, they don’t know the canon, and Faloni is just making things up as he goes and inserting his own retcons. He got what he wanted, a shot at doing Live Action, and it failed horribly, and proved that he should stick to doing animation only.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”-Charles Baudelaire
“The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is the good guy”-Ken Ammi
If we count legends. (and why shouldnt we? Its 10000% better than Disney's canon) then technically there was several Sith masters around this time, admitted some was technically dead. Such as Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, but if a force sensitive ever found their spirits then technically they could teach and raise another unknown Sith outside the rule of two.
Nah. Zabrak lez witch manipulated Smilo. She's the puppet master. For them to pull from EU, they'd have to know how to read, and Filoni and Favreau are the only ones that have read anything Legends, and it appears Filoni is biding his time while working on new animated stuff that, unlike live action SW, may be worth watching.
Tbh, I wish all the main Star Wars content creators got together and Disney hired them for round table sessions. People with passion and knowledge instead of hatred for the IP that care only about activism.
There's no conversation. Nobody's talking about this. Besides people making fun of it, I can't even open my page page without a 100 videos of different people making I hate acolite videos. Of all different races sexist and creeds
Could you guys please do a Sith History deep dive, starting with who Tenebrous Sith Master was.
So you people believe a character who is known for lying and deceiving😂😂😂you can't make this shit up. The rule of two??? So you would believe this shit coming for people who is a morally evil person. Why would they keep any rule? At what point do they follow their own rules😂😂😂
Qimir is the origin of the REN and the Sith master will be Aniseya. Won’t be surprised if they make her Plagues This show is for 7 yr olds. Before anyone replies that SW was made of adolescent boys. Harry Potter was made for adolescents also and was still good and didn’t put adults to sleep. This is Nickelodeon level writing and acting. Not SW
Umm...for you to reference SW Legends in any context of this show is crazy. The writers have bastardized the continuity/canon - so frankly, it's fan fiction. And its awful
Tenebrous is the current Master. Plagueis, at his possible oldest, is 15 and being the apprentice. Venamis, like Tenebrous was a Bith and Plagueis was a Muun. Tenebrous did have a list of known powerful force sensitive users. Qimir IMO is one of those on the list.
I like the name “Darth Tenebrous” because Tenebrous means Dark, Shadowy, Obscure. So the guys name is literally “Dark Dark”
The show it's pretty straight forward: I don't believe Darth Tenebrous has anything to do with the show. I do strongly believe that Qirim it's only a rogue Jedi. Two more episodes to go and I bet we will never see Tenebrous, Venemous or Darth Plagues. Everyone keep forgetting that Darth T. Was a scientist he care not for simple rifle or gossip. Darth Plagues would had been a great addition but at this point he would had been too busy learning from his master.
I think you are giving Leslye Headland far too much credit. She simply included Plagueis for the wow factor of being the first to have him in live action. I doubt she even knows who he really is or what his accomplishments are. I assume she did this to further her toxic femininity agenda by making it look as if Plagueis stole his ideas from the Witches of Bannoc.
I always liked to think that Tenebrous did in fact become that ultimate Sith, or at least close to it. In newer material it seems to me like Vader is more like a Sith spirit that possesses Anakin, or inVades him (I know, cheap play on words, but Hollywood writers do that stuff.). Tenebrous being that invader. He kicked off the creation of the Chosen one (Anakin) and then later possessed him since he knew his lifespan would run out.
Darth Tenebrous should be the real Sith Lord in the High Republic era. That guy in the 5th episode doesn’t have what it takes to become a Sith. You can’t just have the Force and red lightsaber to call yourself a Sith. You have to know the ancient knowledge of the Sith
If Tenebrous foresaw Plagueis’ death at the hand of Sidious…and his plan was to take over Anakin’s…couldn’t he have just taken over Palpatine with his virus, and just wait longer?
I’m sorry but the authors of modern Star Wars don’t use Legends as source material furthermore they’ve exclaimed moving away from anything Lucas related as it’s too “patriarchal”.
At this stage Plagueis would have been like thirteen. I'm not positive at what age he became the apprentice. So is it possible Tenebrous had an apprentice before Plagueis? Yes it is possible BUT revealing oneself to be a Sith would have also gotten Qimir killed as the Sith wanted to remain hidden. A bit of a twist would be having Qimir killing all those that know of him then Tenebrous showing up at the very end onty to eliminate Qimir for daring speak the word Sith.
" *You* would call me Sith"... He didn't claim to be a Sith, and I highly doubt he is one.
Sith secrets are condensed in the rule of two, but they're still also spread throughout the galaxy, if you know where to look.
It’s a cool story and all, I just wonder why he wouldn’t just keep jumping bodies though, he is so smart, he knows the rule of two, why wouldn’t he just stick around to keep moving until he lands on the chosen one? And if he could, and fully take over, why didn’t he with plagueus ?
I wonder what Qimir's official Sith name is .... I think hie is Plaguies's first apprentice ... and its crazy Sith are usually more skilled with a lightsaber yet they all hate using lightsabers .. I think this is why they usually make better warriors
Darth Tenebrous is one if my favorite Sith Lords probably even top 10, And if he does make a cameo in the Acolyte I might consider watching just for that
This guy Qimir is a Knight of Ren.
Oh god.. I hope I am wrong but I can see them replacing Hugo with Osha - a strong force child then becoming the canon version of plaguies. As he had „made“ the twins with the witches 🙈🙈🙈
The virus was a failure because the force works the same way for both sides of it. It’s not some different thing between Jedi and Sith, so the virus would just fuck over everyone that had the ability to call on the force. Read plagueis again, bro.
I wonder if they're going to make these earlier Sith lords canon. It's ironic if what Palpatine was true and the whole Darth Bane bloodline was the same spirit and he was such a human supremacist. Seems the fanfic writers of Legends loved going through every known race for their Sith Lords which may have added to Palp's hate.
I know you’ve made videos previously about how disappointing the show is, but Star Wars fans hate the show. It’s terrible and goes against so much of the lore that at this point I’m convinced that Disney hates Star Wars and its fans. Honestly I’m not going to watch any videos entertaining this show in any capacity, aside from how bad it is
What you're referring to is Legends content, and thus not canon. They are rewriting canonical history. It's entirely possible that they will change the name of Palpatine's master, or maybe just the species.
The way some people are acting. The show can’t be about sith. Because “the sith have been extinct for ah millenniuh”.
God damn non-believers.
i feel bad for tenebrous, he treated qimir like a son never had...there is some good in him, i bet it hurt qimir in very bad way when Plagueis crush his master by giants rocks from mine ceiling ...yes the anger qimir would be at level 10 to fight against plagueis all he got but that wouldn't be enough when plagueis gonna take qimir as slave
Probably stretching. Seems the Disney writers / directors have no regard for legends or lore, and are making their own abomination of Lucas' masterpiece.
This was a great video, I'm a bit sad that they have so much lore available, and yet the execution of the acolyte is not great. Even if Quimir was killing Jedi, at least show him how he is hiding all this from the jedi, not leave him to some moths to get the job done and not verify his death :( like... here's a being able to defeat several jedi and you don't confirm the kill and leave all your comrades behind?
More than likely Disney will do what they did before with Episodes 7-9 and say screw the lore and the fans, we own it and we will do what we want with it. They have a gold mine if they follow the lore and introduce Plagus or Tenebrous or even the unknown Twilek before Tenebrous. I don't want to speak too soon so we will see what they do. But I am predicting they are gonna do what they have always done since they bought the series and piss of Lucas and the fans and destroy the lore before Episode 1.
You know even Bane broke the rule of two. Tenebrous, Plagueis, Palps and dooku all broke the rule of 2. Its not that black and white. So stop treating it as religion.
All right everyone don't get your hopes up that these aliens are in Cannon and then you get upset does the Sith Lords aren't aliens especially the Bith; which I think is way too corny as a villain and I can't take it seriously. Just because they take things out of Canada doesn't mean that they're not bringing a whole lot of stuff from Canon into the franchise so I don't know why people are complaining
What do you say is the best lightsaber form? And if you were to make a perfect lightsaber, what crystal, design, and material would make the lightsaber?
Legends continuity has no validity. Plageous is the only Sith Lord that has been name dropped in "canon" . It'll be Plageous as the big bad in Acolyte.