What I love about the role of twos is that there is literally hundreds of years of unknown Sith knowledge that somebody can turn into a book for us to enjoy
That’s what I love and hate about it. I love it because of how much EU authors gave us the stories of Sith that were at the time unknown and gave them fantastic backstories (For example Bane and Plagueis). I hate it because since Disney purchased Lucasfilm, we’ll likely never know the stories of Sith who’s background’s are (some more than others) a mystery (I would kill for Darth Gravid’s story and Darth Nihilus as well as Tenebrous’s Sith master) Great video by the way!
@michaelkarimian7538 tbf a lot of em probably weren't gonna get whole books about em Still kinda bummed tho we didn't get to see anything between Bane and plagueis, but it also is kind of fitting in a way, thay whole time period is just "dark"
@@kurenian This is literally what I was thinking Acolyte should have been. We get to learn more about Sith masters, how they choose their apprentices, and whether or not their apprentices take their place.
Cognus is an obvious reference to her abilities but Zannah was just her real name, nothing ominous. Bane named himself so because his father insulted him many times as "bane of his life" bane was angry and as he was strong in the dark side already without knowing it he cursed and wished one night for his father's demise and it worked :)
I heard that the author didn't intend for Bane to have succeeded, and that Zannah's arm tingle was more just a sign that some part of Bane had affected her, that something of her master would be part of her spirit, but that she was still in control.
In my mind this played out as Bane being somewhat of a spectre within the mind of Zannah that would occasionally comment on what she was doing. Kinda like how Bane kept seeing the former trainers of the Sith Academy after he pulled his thoughtbomb gambit.
Wasn't intended to be, but it was left unclear. Sometimes authors are unaware of the lore they leave behind until it's out there in the world. So I'd say both options are entirely valid.
@Flaris except the author himself did an interview and said what the actual ending is, so they can't "both" be valid options. If he never clarified it, then you'd have a point, but he did.
Drew Karpyshyn came out and stated that Darth Zannah won the battle and the hand twitch was merely to demonstrate an echo of Bane’s essence not him in control.
I went straight to Google after finishing the series cuz I really thought he gained control. But bane was super prideful of his power and would have made it clear that he was the victor. So the echo you were just mentioning makes perfect sense.🔥
I love the Jedi, but Sith lore and the pure strength that comes with them is just so interesting. From Revan, Nihilus, Maul, Bane, and Malgus.. there’s just so many badasses
You always keep an ace up your sleeve. I would leave one specific thing out that I would not teach my apprentice. Possibly even allow them to think I have a weakness when it’s really something else. For taking down your master, it be difficult, especially to go about it in the shadows. I would gain the respect of my master, and after I believed in my own dueling abilities challenge him.
The fact that thumble contained the words old age and poison is exactly why the rule of 2 failed and an example of why the old Sith was much more powerful.
The old Sith were very powerful, and at large were better than a majority of the rule of 2 Sith. A significant amount of the ancient Sith were blindsided by their hubris, avarice, and rage, they would sooner risk the order than themselves. The dark side is like a poison; it’s more potent when concentrated than distributed among the masses (Darth Bane himself stated this). Some deaths in the rule of 2 may seem like cheap victories, but the master still allowed the apprentice to kill them.
@6:53 We do know who wo. Drew Karpyshyn spoke directly about this fan theory on his blog several years ago. (Drew Karpyshyn is the writer of the book). Zannah won the fight and bane was cast into the darkness.
I like how wave makes the distinction that sideous’s death was actually perpetrated by anakin and not darth vader, I’m seeing that more and more recently as people are starting to categorize them as two beings as opposed to one, anakin fully locked and transformed into vader when the flames of mustafar baptized him into his new persona, anakin would not be seen for decades except for the few momentary peeps to the surface when vader let his guard down or let his emotions fluctuate to closely to anakins thoughts and heart, the last time we saw anakin before that was him momentarily floating to the top whilst talking to padme on mustafar before being violently shoved back down by vader when he saw Obi wan, the next and even more brief instant was when he was talking to Ashoka when they were both after that holocron with Ezra, after that or before I’m not sure time wise but I think actually before the Ashoka thing was when Obi Wan had given anakin that real genuine apoloy during their fight
A couple of week ago I was listening to one of your Acolyte’s episode review and you tease many videos about the Sith, I was sooo excited. I gotta say you never disappoint!! By far the best Star Wars channel ! I comment it often but that is true
Plagueis is in legends territory still, the name and species given in the novel was Sheev's knowledge alone and he may never told Anakin about such details.
I've always found the Master/Apprentice relationship with the sith interesting. Especially with Bane and Zannah who lived together. Like, what is that breakfast conversation like? So, uh, how's trying to kill me going? Great, any day now. Just gotta find my own apprentice. Ah cool, cool. I notice you're spending a lot of time with that.... Did you also notice your blue milk tasted funny?
my favorite moment in the bane books is when bane saves zannah life and ask, “what if they had succeeded in killing me?” zannah says, “then you would have been weak, unworthy of being the true lord of the sith, you would’ve deserved to die” then bane smiles and says “precisely” 😂
Rule of two, bar the first duel between Bane and Zannah made it members have to generally become cunning, Machiavellian and devious and totally innovative when it came to finding ways to take down their masters, when the least expected it or the dark side of the force dictated it was time to act.
I question if Darth Vectivus was ever real because he learn about him from Lumia Lady of the Sith who was trying to manipulate Jacen Solo. So it’s very easy for Lumia to have made him up , because the idea of a SITH doing no evil isn’t impossible but extremely unlikely. (Because you know, their Sith)
He is definitely real as he is mentioned in the Darth Plagueis novel as having been a Banite Sith Lord who preceded Darth Ramage and followed Darth Cognus
After Vectivis death his apprentice though a failure still trained another apprentice who eventually killed him or her and probably reminded him or her of their failure before killing them
Would be cool to get a super long video about darth revans long life, and the most important events in the wars and his diffrent powers!! Good vid, keep up the grind🐐🐐🔥🔥
Darth Zannah was the only Sith to obey the Rule of Two. Darth Bane violated it when he began to train the Huntress while Zannah was still alive. Bane even had her take a new name; Darth Cognus. Cognus violated the Rule of Two when, after her apprentice, Darth Millennial, fought her and left her for dead, and fled. After recovering, she should have hunted Millennial down. Instead, she trained a 2nd apprentice. Centuries later, Darth Gravid never fought and killed his master, Darth Vectivus. Instead, Vectivus retired after promoting Gravid to Dark Lord. According to an old Wookieepedia page, Ventivus died 5 years AFTER Darth Gean, Gravid's apprentice, did. Many times, the apprentice even had an apprentice. Darth Vader violated it by calling himself a Dark Lord. According to the Rule of Two, Vader had to earn the title by fighting and killing his master, Darth Sidious. Sidious violated it many times; by not properly training Vader, and having several apprentices at once.
Zannah waited until Bane started to weaken to challenge him. So they were both cutting corners. Bane really violated the rule when he attempted the essence transfer. He was not accepting his own defeat in a fair fight.
@kirkdavis2881 she wasn't waiting until he declined. It would've been impossible to defeat him while he was covered in the orbelisks for one. And he mistakenly believed she was complacent when in reality, she was already planning for the match and searching for an apprentice first.
Is interesting how despite wanting to be the strongest sith still kept records of what they learned for other sith to study & ultimately become stronger than those who wrote the records
Bane himself was not learned in sith alchemy, so he had to train Zannah with hoarded ancient knowledge he knew next to nothing about and Zannah studied on her own. Zannah on the other hand could not teach much about aggressive lightsaber combat, so it seems the Rule of Two was also a Rule of Second Hand Wisdom and Hearsay for 99% of its time IMHO
@@rivenoakcognus was in possession of banes holocron and she would study every bit of his knowledge. she considered it her most prized possession. bane was her first master after all.
More videos about revan would be pretty dope. Idk if you've done one about where he actually got his mask but that would be cool. Or about when he helped recover the helm of Mandalore.
I think an interesting video to discuss would be the insane genius and technological marvel of the Death Star. A moon sized space station, having the power to destroy planets, and it only had one exhaust port. An entirely necessary part of any invention such as the DS, and all of it in one small port no larger than a womo rat. Forget the Force, that is the true marvel
Sith empire are way more cooler, better stories and way more powerful Sith. (i know Lucas and Disney states otherwise but their words after all the trash they made or done makes their arguments invalid, plus they dont even know the old republic era)
It was said by traya that force users become more powerful when they are at war all the time same happened to anakin and obi wan during the clone wars @Vakaria-plays
The sith of old were great but by feats they weren't more powerful as Darth Bane the weakest rule of 2 sith pulled a moon the size of a planet, plaguies froze naboo in ice by just his presence, produced a nexus from himself that was greater than multiple planetary darkside nexus' all together, Sidious shook a planet, stars and formed a constellation, darkened the whole galaxy in the darkside with his power in the force, and Vader casually destroyed a moon. Vitiate and nihilus have the best feats in the old republic and thier best is planet surface level not even planetary and it should be noted vitiate drained ziost with aid,not his own power.
@F3AN0RXINFERN0 dude most of the old sith lords were star boosters exar kun was a dark side nexus himself that his dark power was affecting the fabric of the old republic and the cosmic force, marka ragnos didn't consider plagueis and papaltine worthy of his time, Karnes murr spirit was more powerful than return of the jedi emperor papaltine, plagueis admitted on his book that he wasn't as great at sorcery as naga sadow freedon nadd and exar kun he also thought they were more powerful bane will get obliterated by tulak hord
The Muun jaking the Bith in the cortosis caverns is always gonna be one of my favorites. He just went full Cena and was like " you can't see me, my time is now!".
I honestly would choose the "Let the master die of old age" method, IF it were me in the apprentice role. I figure that the master might be withholding knowledge, and that I would still have alot to learn before said master died. I would want as much of that knowledge as I could glean in the time I had with said master, so I would draw it out. Always keep him looking over his or her shoulder, however.
My impression from the movie is that Palpatine killed his master years before. He was already in control of everything going all the way back to the order given for the clone army, and before that with his rise in Naboo's government.
James Luceno is a goat because not only did he connect Darth Sidious and Darth Plaguies to the Phantom Menace but he essentially gave us all the characters and their back story in between Palpatine and Bane that we hear about this video.
Are all the rule of 2 sith the same body snatching entity since Sidious is "all the sith"? Would be kind of a fun explaination for why that system exists i think
This is very interesting. Great holocron! Very interesting history of the Sith. So many apprentices and masters. Plagueis's biggest mistake was-sleeping on the couch of Palpatine,his friend. Palpatine ended Rule of Two. He was killed and that is. May the Force be with you too😊
6:50 Drew Karpyshyn did make a statement about the end of Dynasty of Evil after it came out to clear up rumors. He said Darth Zannah won the fight. Bane winning and passing on all the way to Palpatine kinda undermines the Rule of Two principles. The fist clinch Zannah does at the end that Bane did was letting the reader know that even tho the essence transfer failed, some part of Bane still remained.
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My problem would be the doubt of if my master shared all his knowledge and secrets or not, I would want to extract everything, every little nugget of knowledge my master could have.
Choose someone with more patience, and you will never block the blade at your throat. Choose someone more devious than you, and you will hold the blade that kills you. Choose someone more clever, and you will never know your end. The warnings of Darth Sidious are better seen as the prerequisites for choosing a proper apprentice, O Master, for so you choose how that apprentice shall end you.
it is clear that Disney is going to do nothing with this Lore. i wish we fans would definitively flesh out and finish the Banite Sith line by creating Sith Lords and histories to bridge the timeline and finish the 1004 years between the birth of Darth Bane and the death of Darth Vader. we need to take control of the Expanded Universe.
If I was a Sith Apprentice, I certainly wouldn't be daft enough to share my methods of taking out my Master in the comments section on UA-cam where anyone - including my master - could read it
Guile, Strength, Deviouness, Misdirection. This is the way of the Sith, but without patience, it's all for not. Bane: defeat thru Devious use of the force, Tenebrous and Plagueis: Misdirection.
Interesting question at the end, what would I do? Well, I see myself as a moderate duelist, but more of a sith sorcerer, so lets start there. As an apprentice, I would probably subtly and slowly over time lay dozens of hexes and curses upon my master, slowly making them paranoid and insane, causing them insomnia and hallucinations that become more vivid and horrific over time. When his mind finally snapped, I would steal his life force and add it to my own. As a master, I would enchant and trap my lair and/or ship with hundreds of wards and sith spells that would ensare, sap, electrocute, and cause my apprentice even more horrific visions and insanity than my master saw, (as well as droid gaurds and automated defenses throughout) and attempt to break them entirely before they could ever reach my chambers.
There needs to be a comic book or novel that explores the reign of Tulak Hord, there's very little known about Tulak Hord's life besides from what we know.
If Darth Vectivus Died of Old Age surrounded by Friends and Family, Then it Stands to Reason that He did Not have to Kill His Own Master, His Own Master May Simply have Did of Old Age, Accident. or Illness.
I think maybe Vectivus's apprentice had a hand in his death, and they whittled away at his health with something like Morichro, so he died in a 'peaceful' manner whilst the apprentice conquered the master in a legitimate way
Was there any other period when both Sith masters during the Rule of 2 era were dead other than Sideous and Vader? If so, how would someone become the new Master and apprentice? Well, other than somehow returning. 😂
Here is an idea for you... one of my all time favorite Star Wars fan films is Versus The way to shadow... Anyway it chronicles a Jedi by the name of Darius who struggles with his dark side. Darius and his opponents use light Sabres which appear different.. the hilt is thinner and not as long. I get that it's just a fan film, but is it possible in the lore that light Sabres were built this way?.. I encourage a review of this film regardless as , at least in my opinion, it is one of the best star wars stories on film (btw too it's in French with English subs).
The writer of the novels stated later that Zannah had won, siting the tremors in her hand as simply the effects of the dark side's corruption that had been foreshadowed in the novels with the same thing happening earlier to Bane. This was seen by many as a potential sign of the essence transfer working but according to the author this wasn't the case and instead the ritual failed. Hmm if one of them died without being defeated in any way, dying of old age, and he we never knew his apprentice... Wouldn't that mean the lineage ended? So maybe it started again with someone finding Bane's holocron or something. This part of the lore is very weird. A holocron seams to be the only way this makes any sense, it being found and continuing the lineage.
What if bane and zanna melded together rather than one triumphing over the other? Perhaps they were so even in battle that their consciousness’s melded. That could be a great explanation for why the rule of two became so successful
Its sounding like there's a notable gap, the MOST notable, between Gravid an Vectivus.. OR do we KNOW how many other Sith between them there is, whom any are, or any other details between these 2??
A Holocron detailing Shaak Ti cheating death… waking up in a room where some strange human was cutting at thin strips of dark plastic as a pale looking Chairman Papanoida was looking over his shoulder.
Bane's method was genius, although if both sith lords had died at anytime they would've been up shit's creek without a paddle. Idk maybe he could have partnered up with one sith as wise as him and have them do the same thing so there were 2 rule of 2 sith groups, in case one died off? Although that would just cause infighting and competition and hindered them, so idk what the solution to that is.
There is some unspoken rule about that. When there is too many the force “balances” itself out. Sidious knew this and that’s why he went after Maul and Savage. They were threatening his master plan and knew he had to take them out. It just isn’t supposed to work, that’s why it’s the Rule of Two. But during the old republic, there was the Sith Empire on Korriban. So I’m not sure how that worked. The army was probably not properly trained in Sith ways. Same with the Inquisitors, they weren’t necessarily full on “Sith”
Lmao Sidious had some nice advice except he didn't count for raw power and will power! Vader said "Screw it, imma take out the trash!" Sidious: "No! But my Force Lighting!!" Darth Vader: "Then we both die!" Sidious: "Thats not Very Sith of You!!" Darth Vader" *I KNOW* Sidious: " *NOOOO* "
What I love about the role of twos is that there is literally hundreds of years of unknown Sith knowledge that somebody can turn into a book for us to enjoy
What the acolyte should have been
That’s what I love and hate about it. I love it because of how much EU authors gave us the stories of Sith that were at the time unknown and gave them fantastic backstories (For example Bane and Plagueis). I hate it because since Disney purchased Lucasfilm, we’ll likely never know the stories of Sith who’s background’s are (some more than others) a mystery (I would kill for Darth Gravid’s story and Darth Nihilus as well as Tenebrous’s Sith master) Great video by the way!
@michaelkarimian7538 tbf a lot of em probably weren't gonna get whole books about em
Still kinda bummed tho we didn't get to see anything between Bane and plagueis, but it also is kind of fitting in a way, thay whole time period is just "dark"
@@kurenian This is literally what I was thinking Acolyte should have been. We get to learn more about Sith masters, how they choose their apprentices, and whether or not their apprentices take their place.
“Hey master I just heard of a strange game called Russian Roulette”
Ruusaan Roulette lol
"Very well my Apprentice, you can teach it to me by having the first few goes yourself. I will join in when I think I have got the hang of it"
@@isty44912 minutes later: umm nope
"what the hell is a russian"
@@isty4491 Famous last word's of a sith master.
Darth plegus getting killed on his boys couch in the middle of the day is wild 😂
When ur first to fall asleep at the sleepover
it be your own people....
Darth Plagueis, stop spelling his name wrong. Are u 7?
@@StarWarsForge2010 I’m 8 actually and you sound like a jerk
@@StarWarsForge2010 wow i see you’re a spelling nazi and mines isn’t the first comment to
catch your eye.
1st 3 Sith Lords: cool names like Bane, Zannah, and Cognus
4th Sith Lord:
D a R t H m I l l e N I a L
Cognus is an obvious reference to her abilities but Zannah was just her real name, nothing ominous.
Bane named himself so because his father insulted him many times as "bane of his life" bane was angry and as he was strong in the dark side already without knowing it he cursed and wished one night for his father's demise and it worked :)
Need a Dark Lord named Darth George
Just wait for Darth Zed
I heard that the author didn't intend for Bane to have succeeded, and that Zannah's arm tingle was more just a sign that some part of Bane had affected her, that something of her master would be part of her spirit, but that she was still in control.
Yes the author stated Zannah was the clear winner and he never intended for the ending to be unclear on that.
In my mind this played out as Bane being somewhat of a spectre within the mind of Zannah that would occasionally comment on what she was doing. Kinda like how Bane kept seeing the former trainers of the Sith Academy after he pulled his thoughtbomb gambit.
Wasn't intended to be, but it was left unclear. Sometimes authors are unaware of the lore they leave behind until it's out there in the world. So I'd say both options are entirely valid.
@Flaris except the author himself did an interview and said what the actual ending is, so they can't "both" be valid options. If he never clarified it, then you'd have a point, but he did.
@@Flarisin my opinion whatever the original authors ideas and intentions are, is the only truth
Drew Karpyshyn came out and stated that Darth Zannah won the battle and the hand twitch was merely to demonstrate an echo of Bane’s essence not him in control.
This actually answers a huge question I had. Thanks so much man
I went straight to Google after finishing the series cuz I really thought he gained control. But bane was super prideful of his power and would have made it clear that he was the victor. So the echo you were just mentioning makes perfect sense.🔥
Bane trilogy solidified my fanhood in the Star Wars EU
@@givesrespect8788 same here. It was my introduction to legends
That’s cool.
Whoever managed to kill Darth Cognus was clearly the most devious of the bunch!
Definetly the devious GOAT
Drew K. said in an interview that Darth Zannah won. Her hand trembling at the end was an after effect of the essence transfer.
I love the Jedi, but Sith lore and the pure strength that comes with them is just so interesting. From Revan, Nihilus, Maul, Bane, and Malgus.. there’s just so many badasses
I read "poison duel" and immediately thought of two Sith flinging vials of poison at each other lol
Lmao same
Aww, I am let down.
I sure love the Minecraft witches
@@Onionaniamtionsone of the best and actually smart mobs there
Princess Bride: Wesley vs. Fezzig.
I was litteraly just watching a video on Plaguis assination attempt yesterday and you upload this today. You are strong in the force.
I would make his electric toothbrush a lightsaber and my master would eat the blade.
What if he turned it on before putting it in his mouth?
LOL 🤣 😆
Evil does not brush its teeth
@@rustyshackleford2950 Lightsaber slippers?
And why do you think Palpatine's teeth look the way they do?
I would come at my master, all " does this smell like death stick to you?"
“The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural.”
laxative taco Tuesday followed by a rigged toilet
Love this video, definitely my favorite SW channel, along with The Archivist
You always keep an ace up your sleeve. I would leave one specific thing out that I would not teach my apprentice. Possibly even allow them to think I have a weakness when it’s really something else. For taking down your master, it be difficult, especially to go about it in the shadows. I would gain the respect of my master, and after I believed in my own dueling abilities challenge him.
The fact that thumble contained the words old age and poison is exactly why the rule of 2 failed and an example of why the old Sith was much more powerful.
The old Sith were very powerful, and at large were better than a majority of the rule of 2 Sith. A significant amount of the ancient Sith were blindsided by their hubris, avarice, and rage, they would sooner risk the order than themselves. The dark side is like a poison; it’s more potent when concentrated than distributed among the masses (Darth Bane himself stated this).
Some deaths in the rule of 2 may seem like cheap victories, but the master still allowed the apprentice to kill them.
@6:53
We do know who wo. Drew Karpyshyn spoke directly about this fan theory on his blog several years ago. (Drew Karpyshyn is the writer of the book). Zannah won the fight and bane was cast into the darkness.
I'd LOVE to hear and read more about Cognus. I like her already
I like how wave makes the distinction that sideous’s death was actually perpetrated by anakin and not darth vader, I’m seeing that more and more recently as people are starting to categorize them as two beings as opposed to one, anakin fully locked and transformed into vader when the flames of mustafar baptized him into his new persona, anakin would not be seen for decades except for the few momentary peeps to the surface when vader let his guard down or let his emotions fluctuate to closely to anakins thoughts and heart, the last time we saw anakin before that was him momentarily floating to the top whilst talking to padme on mustafar before being violently shoved back down by vader when he saw Obi wan, the next and even more brief instant was when he was talking to Ashoka when they were both after that holocron with Ezra, after that or before I’m not sure time wise but I think actually before the Ashoka thing was when Obi Wan had given anakin that real genuine apoloy during their fight
A couple of week ago I was listening to one of your Acolyte’s episode review and you tease many videos about the Sith, I was sooo excited.
I gotta say you never disappoint!! By far the best Star Wars channel ! I comment it often but that is true
I wonder if Sidius told Pleagus..... "Un-Limited Power..... " While He was shocking him.
How Star Wars has never made a book series connecting Path of Destruction to Darth Plagueis is the real fucking tragedy.
Disney doesn't care about lore continuity and consistency
Plagueis is in legends territory still, the name and species given in the novel was Sheev's knowledge alone and he may never told Anakin about such details.
Great video. I really enjoyed this one.
If Bane won the dual. He would never leave the house.
The author of the Bane novels has said himself that Zannah won.
Yo, Vin Diesel is a sith lord 😂 0:44
Darth Dieselo
Never reveal ones plan to destroy ones master just do it.
Darth Bane deserves his own movie/show imo.
It would just be another great Star Wars character that is absolutely demolished by Disney. Careful what you wish for
@@charlesbird2897 yea, they might make him Mexican and his apprentice Nigerian. smh
@@PumpdaBrakes-ub8kp white nerds are exceptionally fragile
wait star wars return to Lucas
@@piratavorak I have heard. I think maybe Disney hired him. They are doing such a "great" job so far. lol
Officially the author has declared Darth Zana was the Victor
I've always found the Master/Apprentice relationship with the sith interesting. Especially with Bane and Zannah who lived together. Like, what is that breakfast conversation like?
So, uh, how's trying to kill me going?
Great, any day now. Just gotta find my own apprentice.
Ah cool, cool. I notice you're spending a lot of time with that....
Did you also notice your blue milk tasted funny?
my favorite moment in the bane books is when bane saves zannah life and ask, “what if they had succeeded in killing me?” zannah says, “then you would have been weak, unworthy of being the true lord of the sith, you would’ve deserved to die” then bane smiles and says “precisely” 😂
Rule of two, bar the first duel between Bane and Zannah made it members have to generally become cunning, Machiavellian and devious and totally innovative when it came to finding ways to take down their masters, when the least expected it or the dark side of the force dictated it was time to act.
I question if Darth Vectivus was ever real because he learn about him from Lumia Lady of the Sith who was trying to manipulate Jacen Solo. So it’s very easy for Lumia to have made him up , because the idea of a SITH doing no evil isn’t impossible but extremely unlikely. (Because you know, their Sith)
He has an OOU encyclopedia entry
Plus, the Sith are controlled by their negative emotions, so it won't be easy to do that.
being overtly evil would betray the plan so its more like he had a boring life as a sith waiting and gathering resources and/or influence
He is definitely real as he is mentioned in the Darth Plagueis novel as having been a Banite Sith Lord who preceded Darth Ramage and followed Darth Cognus
@@SarastistheSerpent I didn’t know that thanks.
After Vectivis death his apprentice though a failure still trained another apprentice who eventually killed him or her and probably reminded him or her of their failure before killing them
Would be cool to get a super long video about darth revans long life, and the most important events in the wars and his diffrent powers!! Good vid, keep up the grind🐐🐐🔥🔥
The author of the Bane trilogy made it clear that Zanah won the battle
I would like to see videos of each of the fighting styles of individual Sith or Jedi how they adapt and changed and used the force in combat.
“Apprentice… you will not be truly worthy until you get valve to release a third installation into a game series”
Boom, i’m safe forever.
Darth Zannah was the only Sith to obey the Rule of Two. Darth Bane violated it when he began to train the Huntress while Zannah was still alive. Bane even had her take a new name; Darth Cognus. Cognus violated the Rule of Two when, after her apprentice, Darth Millennial, fought her and left her for dead, and fled. After recovering, she should have hunted Millennial down. Instead, she trained a 2nd apprentice. Centuries later, Darth Gravid never fought and killed his master, Darth Vectivus. Instead, Vectivus retired after promoting Gravid to Dark Lord. According to an old Wookieepedia page, Ventivus died 5 years AFTER Darth Gean, Gravid's apprentice, did. Many times, the apprentice even had an apprentice. Darth Vader violated it by calling himself a Dark Lord. According to the Rule of Two, Vader had to earn the title by fighting and killing his master, Darth Sidious. Sidious violated it many times; by not properly training Vader, and having several apprentices at once.
Zannah waited until Bane started to weaken to challenge him. So they were both cutting corners. Bane really violated the rule when he attempted the essence transfer. He was not accepting his own defeat in a fair fight.
@kirkdavis2881 she wasn't waiting until he declined. It would've been impossible to defeat him while he was covered in the orbelisks for one. And he mistakenly believed she was complacent when in reality, she was already planning for the match and searching for an apprentice first.
Wookiepedia doesnt name any apprentice for Vectivus; where is the Gravid connection from ?
Is interesting how despite wanting to be the strongest sith still kept records of what they learned for other sith to study & ultimately become stronger than those who wrote the records
Bane himself was not learned in sith alchemy, so he had to train Zannah with hoarded ancient knowledge he knew next to nothing about and Zannah studied on her own.
Zannah on the other hand could not teach much about aggressive lightsaber combat, so it seems the Rule of Two was also a Rule of Second Hand Wisdom and Hearsay for 99% of its time IMHO
@@rivenoakcognus was in possession of banes holocron and she would study every bit of his knowledge. she considered it her most prized possession. bane was her first master after all.
More videos about revan would be pretty dope. Idk if you've done one about where he actually got his mask but that would be cool. Or about when he helped recover the helm of Mandalore.
I think an interesting video to discuss would be the insane genius and technological marvel of the Death Star. A moon sized space station, having the power to destroy planets, and it only had one exhaust port. An entirely necessary part of any invention such as the DS, and all of it in one small port no larger than a womo rat. Forget the Force, that is the true marvel
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Still can’t decide if the rule of two sith are cooler than the sith empire
Like the sith empire
Sith empire are way more cooler, better stories and way more powerful Sith. (i know Lucas and Disney states otherwise but their words after all the trash they made or done makes their arguments invalid, plus they dont even know the old republic era)
It was said by traya that force users become more powerful when they are at war all the time same happened to anakin and obi wan during the clone wars @Vakaria-plays
The sith of old were great but by feats they weren't more powerful as Darth Bane the weakest rule of 2 sith pulled a moon the size of a planet, plaguies froze naboo in ice by just his presence, produced a nexus from himself that was greater than multiple planetary darkside nexus' all together, Sidious shook a planet, stars and formed a constellation, darkened the whole galaxy in the darkside with his power in the force, and Vader casually destroyed a moon. Vitiate and nihilus have the best feats in the old republic and thier best is planet surface level not even planetary and it should be noted vitiate drained ziost with aid,not his own power.
@F3AN0RXINFERN0 dude most of the old sith lords were star boosters exar kun was a dark side nexus himself that his dark power was affecting the fabric of the old republic and the cosmic force, marka ragnos didn't consider plagueis and papaltine worthy of his time, Karnes murr spirit was more powerful than return of the jedi emperor papaltine, plagueis admitted on his book that he wasn't as great at sorcery as naga sadow freedon nadd and exar kun he also thought they were more powerful bane will get obliterated by tulak hord
The masters typically make the mistake of being to close to their appearances being their friends
The Muun jaking the Bith in the cortosis caverns is always gonna be one of my favorites. He just went full Cena and was like " you can't see me, my time is now!".
Bane: “I was only using 10% of my power”
How about a video on Force bonds? Like the type formed between students and master.
I honestly would choose the "Let the master die of old age" method, IF it were me in the apprentice role. I figure that the master might be withholding knowledge, and that I would still have alot to learn before said master died. I would want as much of that knowledge as I could glean in the time I had with said master, so I would draw it out. Always keep him looking over his or her shoulder, however.
Nice to see theres sw youtube contemt thats not grown men constantly crying lol
Did I hear "Darth Fromage" at 12:20? If so that's instantly my favorite Sith :D
That's what I heard, too. It's cheesy.
My impression from the movie is that Palpatine killed his master years before. He was already in control of everything going all the way back to the order given for the clone army, and before that with his rise in Naboo's government.
James Luceno is a goat because not only did he connect Darth Sidious and Darth Plaguies to the Phantom Menace but he essentially gave us all the characters and their back story in between Palpatine and Bane that we hear about this video.
Are all the rule of 2 sith the same body snatching entity since Sidious is "all the sith"? Would be kind of a fun explaination for why that system exists i think
This is very interesting. Great holocron! Very interesting history of the Sith. So many apprentices and masters. Plagueis's biggest mistake was-sleeping on the couch of Palpatine,his friend. Palpatine ended Rule of Two. He was killed and that is. May the Force be with you too😊
You left out the whole bit about Tenebrous having to relive his death again and again in and endless loop, forever
The rule of 2 remains profoundly stupid
Content starts at 3:59.
Quite the lineage of backstabbing and betrayal.
6:50 Drew Karpyshyn did make a statement about the end of Dynasty of Evil after it came out to clear up rumors. He said Darth Zannah won the fight. Bane winning and passing on all the way to Palpatine kinda undermines the Rule of Two principles. The fist clinch Zannah does at the end that Bane did was letting the reader know that even tho the essence transfer failed, some part of Bane still remained.
Sith Lord: you tried to kill me apprentice, I’m so proud
The Rule of Two is a joke. I dont think any of the Sith actually followed it.
That was a weakness of the Sith. They were unstable since the goal of the apprentice was to kill her/his master.
Darth Bane trilogy books are masterpiece. I hope disney never touch them.
disney did already to some extent to set up a meeting between Yoda and the spirit of Bane.
@@rivenoakthat was before Disney
Patience and cunning, at the end of my crimson saber. The true way.
Wow that was a cool poison duel!
I-I have a crush on Darth Zannah, Shaak Ti, and Ayla secure.
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Darth Plagueis knew about Darth Maul? Their were three of them. The rule of two was already over.
This should be renamed to “what could possibly go wrong?” rule.
My problem would be the doubt of if my master shared all his knowledge and secrets or not, I would want to extract everything, every little nugget of knowledge my master could have.
Choose someone with more patience, and you will never block the blade at your throat. Choose someone more devious than you, and you will hold the blade that kills you. Choose someone more clever, and you will never know your end.
The warnings of Darth Sidious are better seen as the prerequisites for choosing a proper apprentice, O Master, for so you choose how that apprentice shall end you.
I then to think Gravid was Vectivis apprentice and son.
it is clear that Disney is going to do nothing with this Lore. i wish we fans would definitively flesh out and finish the Banite Sith line by creating Sith Lords and histories to bridge the timeline and finish the 1004 years between the birth of Darth Bane and the death of Darth Vader. we need to take control of the Expanded Universe.
But then you'll have fans arguing about their theories
If I was a Sith Apprentice, I certainly wouldn't be daft enough to share my methods of taking out my Master in the comments section on UA-cam where anyone - including my master - could read it
Nice video! Say I don't know how in depth this could go, but could you possible dig up a holocron on the ability Force Rage?
Guile, Strength, Deviouness, Misdirection. This is the way of the Sith, but without patience, it's all for not. Bane: defeat thru Devious use of the force, Tenebrous and Plagueis: Misdirection.
Interesting question at the end, what would I do? Well, I see myself as a moderate duelist, but more of a sith sorcerer, so lets start there.
As an apprentice, I would probably subtly and slowly over time lay dozens of hexes and curses upon my master, slowly making them paranoid and insane, causing them insomnia and hallucinations that become more vivid and horrific over time. When his mind finally snapped, I would steal his life force and add it to my own.
As a master, I would enchant and trap my lair and/or ship with hundreds of wards and sith spells that would ensare, sap, electrocute, and cause my apprentice even more horrific visions and insanity than my master saw, (as well as droid gaurds and automated defenses throughout) and attempt to break them entirely before they could ever reach my chambers.
An idea for a future episode in legends of events following return of the jedi. All the sith lords that luke faced and defeated.
“No Master it tastes okay to me.’
There needs to be a comic book or novel that explores the reign of Tulak Hord, there's very little known about Tulak Hord's life besides from what we know.
If Darth Vectivus Died of Old Age surrounded by Friends and Family, Then it Stands to Reason that He did Not have to Kill His Own Master, His Own Master May Simply have Did of Old Age, Accident. or Illness.
I think maybe Vectivus's apprentice had a hand in his death, and they whittled away at his health with something like Morichro, so he died in a 'peaceful' manner whilst the apprentice conquered the master in a legitimate way
Do a video on every relationship between jedi and sith legends and Canon pls
Was there any other period when both Sith masters during the Rule of 2 era were dead other than Sideous and Vader? If so, how would someone become the new Master and apprentice? Well, other than somehow returning. 😂
Here is an idea for you... one of my all time favorite Star Wars fan films is Versus The way to shadow... Anyway it chronicles a Jedi by the name of Darius who struggles with his dark side. Darius and his opponents use light Sabres which appear different.. the hilt is thinner and not as long. I get that it's just a fan film, but is it possible in the lore that light Sabres were built this way?.. I encourage a review of this film regardless as , at least in my opinion, it is one of the best star wars stories on film (btw too it's in French with English subs).
The writer of the novels stated later that Zannah had won, siting the tremors in her hand as simply the effects of the dark side's corruption that had been foreshadowed in the novels with the same thing happening earlier to Bane. This was seen by many as a potential sign of the essence transfer working but according to the author this wasn't the case and instead the ritual failed.
Hmm if one of them died without being defeated in any way, dying of old age, and he we never knew his apprentice... Wouldn't that mean the lineage ended? So maybe it started again with someone finding Bane's holocron or something. This part of the lore is very weird. A holocron seams to be the only way this makes any sense, it being found and continuing the lineage.
What if bane and zanna melded together rather than one triumphing over the other? Perhaps they were so even in battle that their consciousness’s melded. That could be a great explanation for why the rule of two became so successful
Its sounding like there's a notable gap, the MOST notable, between Gravid an Vectivus.. OR do we KNOW how many other Sith between them there is, whom any are, or any other details between these 2??
Almost immediately the point if the rule of two was circumvented
Can you do a video on HOW force powers are created,and who can CREATE them
I really wish they would write a novel on Zannahs story after Bane
Drew asked for it multiple times and Disney/Lucasfilm denied it
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A Holocron detailing Shaak Ti cheating death… waking up in a room where some strange human was cutting at thin strips of dark plastic as a pale looking Chairman Papanoida was looking over his shoulder.
i still think Bane succeeded and became one with Zannah. The writer left it up in the air, but I believe Des couldnt be beat :D
Bane's method was genius, although if both sith lords had died at anytime they would've been up shit's creek without a paddle. Idk maybe he could have partnered up with one sith as wise as him and have them do the same thing so there were 2 rule of 2 sith groups, in case one died off? Although that would just cause infighting and competition and hindered them, so idk what the solution to that is.
There is some unspoken rule about that. When there is too many the force “balances” itself out. Sidious knew this and that’s why he went after Maul and Savage. They were threatening his master plan and knew he had to take them out. It just isn’t supposed to work, that’s why it’s the Rule of Two.
But during the old republic, there was the Sith Empire on Korriban. So I’m not sure how that worked. The army was probably not properly trained in Sith ways. Same with the Inquisitors, they weren’t necessarily full on “Sith”
@@HookersAndCoke naaaaah, the old republic era sith were badass, not weaklings like bane's masters in the Brotherhood under Skere Kaan.
Was secretly hoping at least one Sith Lord would have a lame death like dying on the toilet or drowning in a 2 inch deep puddle of water 😂
I want some of these stories to go to the screen but i hope they dont mess them up
What about failed attempts? Every sith student who was too confident that they became more powerful than their master
Lmao Sidious had some nice advice except he didn't count for raw power and will power! Vader said "Screw it, imma take out the trash!"
Sidious: "No! But my Force Lighting!!"
Darth Vader: "Then we both die!"
Sidious: "Thats not Very Sith of You!!"
Darth Vader" *I KNOW*
Sidious: " *NOOOO* "