A few years ago I walked into an archery shop. The owner had died and his wife was selling out. There was 2 old faded packages of zwickey black diamonds. I bought them all for $10 and still shoot them off my 50# longbow I made from Osage orange.
I've just discovered your video videos and they are a pleasure to watch. You bring a calmness to the sport that we love, no first bumping, no hoorahing(sp), no patting yourself on the back. You sir appear to be the real deal and I appreciate that, thank you.
Yeah, tou're totally right but one thing sir, hunting isn't a sport especially not with a bow because our ancestor were hunting the same way with bow and arrow for food not for pleasure of killing animals.
Thank you Sir I just found your channel your traditional wisdom is awesome that you’re willing to share!!! You have saved me from searching for the right equipment and poundage of traditional bows. God bless🏹
Hey Robert, I suspect those small points were glued or hafted as a razor tip on to a larger bone or wood point and fixed onto the arrow as a foreshaft. It could have been bow or atlatl. They have found complete specimans melting out of the ice in the Yukon. The bone section was usually barbed. I know it seems like a long way but it is amazing how similar technology and trade was even 10,000 years ago. I have never heard of blow guns being used in North America. I am interested now though!
I shoot a black widow recurve, 50 lbs @32"draw. I shoot Black Eagle Deep impact arrows 34"long. Most arrows aren't long enough. I was talking to Michael Treadway at TBOF shoot, and a guy came up and asked Michael if he had any longbows @ 65 lbs or better? Michael asked what for? The man said he was going hunting for Elk. Michael showed him his personal longbow that was 45 lbs the guy said it was gorgeous but not enough poundage. Micheal replied...well it shot completely through an Elk last year, just gotta hit right.
My one elk was killed with my 53 lb Black widow recurve at 35 yards. It entered behind the last rib and penetrated a few inches out the front shoulder. It was a Zwicky Eskimo broadhead. He went 60 yards.
Literally, just after I watched a video of you hunting pigs with your traditional equipment, I got on Lancaster archery and ordered a recurve bow. Your content is outstanding. Better than 99% of the other stuff I've watched. God Bless you sir
Thanks for the video ,I always pay attention when you speak . The comments on bow weight really hit home as I’m having a hard time getting off shooting heavier bows but know I’ll be fine with bows in the 40’s Love the videos and your plain spoken common sense approach to things
Robert, those small stone points are often called “bird points” by collector’s. Several folks have done experiments with them (Billy Berger has a UA-cam vid on this), and they certainly will penetrate vitals and kill deer. The small heads have several advantages, mostly that they are easier to produce and shoot from lighter bows. I enjoy your content. Thank you
I TOO HAVE USED MOST OF THOSE HEADS. THIS YEAR I'M USING THE 135 SIMMONS. I FOUND A VERY EASY WAY TO MAKE THEM SHAVING RAZOR SHARP. I USE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE THREE INCH KNIFE SHARPENING CRISS CROSS CERMAIC. I STROP THEM LIGHTLY ABOUT 15 TO 20 TIMES EACH SIDE. THEN BACK STROP THEM ON LEATHER WITH THE GREEN PASTE ABOUT TWENTY TIMES. OH LORD THEY ARE SHAVING SHARP. GREAT VIDEO. NEW SUB. FROM OLD IOWA TRADBOW MAN. FROM 641. ALWAYS THUMBS UP! GOD'S BLESSINGS.
I completely agree on bow poundage. I use an 37# Sitka Perfection recurve that slays the deer, pass throughs on some shots. Maryland requires 30#'s to hunt deer with, and I have know doubt that 30#'s will get the job done too! Great video, thanks for posting!
My first longbow was 53#. (HOWARD HILL BIG FIVE). I tried to hand sharpen different broad heads, but initially only had success with a Snuffer. That was because I was using a knife sharpening stone bridging two out of three blades. I sharpened until I could no longer see any machine marks on the blade.(I used a black felt tip on the blades before sharpening.) I thought that I was all set until a cross wind came up and I saw the Snuffer equipped arrows dart away from the wind direction! I had tried to sharpen Howard Hill broad heads, but never could get them sharp. I had also tried sharpening Grizzly broad heads, but ended up giving up and dulling both edges to use them for 3D deer target practice. The Grizzly broad heads have a single steep one sided bevel, and one day I got the idea of trying to sharpen the back side of a Grizzly with just a couple of light passes with the file. I had dulled all my Grizzly broad heads, but decided to give it a try anyway. After but two light passes on the back side of the single bevel I ran my finger along the edge and it cut my finger! Amazing! Those broad heads had been absolutely dull, but... I had found the answer to my multi year search for a broad head with good flight characteristics with a very tough blade.
It has been told by my family members who spent a lot of time on the reservation in cherokee nc, those little points that folks call bird points were most likely put on 12 inch or less stems that were inserted into cane arrows and atlatl darts. When used for small game they got clean kills with plenty of penatration.misses could get them a broken stem but the arrow itself and even the head would be more protected.
Ötzi the Iceman from about 3300 B.C. had a bow and a quiver of arrows with him. From the looks of it, he was very successful with that setup - not one piece of metal, carbon fiber and no gears and pulleys. I'll stick with my stickbow and stay traditional as I can for pigs, deer, turkey, elk.... Love your site.
Enjoyed the talk RC. I burn a smoky cold fire almost every day summer time in the back yard to push the Skitas OUT. Last 20 years I have really drilled down and concentrated on making perfect hits. And yes we see or hear most of them crash! Easy bloodtrailing for sure.
When I was a kid in the 60s, I'd find the tiny heads and we called them bird heads, no idea for sure. I'd trade them for 22 shells. Had everything but the Simmons and still use most of them. Also have some Deadheads, rather big wide heads. Killed a lot of game with the various two blade bear heads from glue on to stainless steel Razorhead lights. Actually shot a doe between the eyes one time with about a 35 lb bow. I shot down at her and she raised her head up as I did, the arrow punched out and barely into her ribs, still have that skull with the arrow in it. and yes, you have to pick a spot and hit that spot to be the good hunter. The first really good longbow that I ever shot and wish that I still had was a 45# Dan Quillian Bamboo Longhunter. it was a very sweet shooting bow and I took a lot of game with it. it got stolen. The gnats are a part of life for a lot of us and like you, they get very old very quickly. I shoot mostly 45# and less with several bows 42# or less. Shot placement with sharp heads is the most important thing, too many are simply over bowed. And yes, stay within your best abilities on distance. Harder for them to jump the string at 8 yards and if you were already aiming low for the heart, you are still very good at such short distances. The problem that you have my friend, is that you have common sense and use it. This old world seems to have lost most of the common sense. Shine on Brother
My last two deer were killed with my 50# recurve and magnus 125 gr. Killerbees. I used the same arrow and broadhead for both a few days apart. I switched this year to my 65# wildcat 2 so hopefully it will draw blood in the morning. Tomorrow is NC opening day. Thank you for the awesome informative video btw.
Well Mr. Robert Carter I couldn't agree with you more ... I've been at this Bow hunting game almost 50 years now, and I totally agree with everything you said and even preached it a little !! Those tiny heads were called "Bird Points" I believe ? But supposable used on big game for the same reasons you stated, light weight bows with small sharp heads equaled penetration. Another good head is one cut out of a table saw blade ! Two Blade heads have fed mankind for thousands of years right.
I could literally listen to you speak all day. Everything you say is spot on. I’ve said it for years, there is no such thing as a magic broadhead. A gut shot animal, is a gut shot animal. You can shoot a 90 lbs bow, pool stick sized arrow with a 300 grain 4” cut broadhead. But if you hit the deer through the paunch, same results. All these broadhead review videos where the guys shooting broadheads through plywood, tires, concrete block etc, is a bunch of bologna. I’ve killed deer with Muzzy, Wasp, Grim Reapers, Rage, Swhackers, Magnus, Fixed blade and mechanical. When you hit an animal where you’re supposed to and let the air out of them, they don’t go anywhere and usually fall within sight. Broad heads aren’t necessarily “junk” because you shoot it in a video through 5/8” thick plywood and a blade bent…… Great video !!!!!
I've learned a great deal about bows and arrow flight since making my own bows. And you do need a certain amount of force but it's not as high as people think. I haven't harvested a deer yet, and I do shoot a 50 pound bow, but I've been surprised at how far fast and hard even 35 pound bows cast arrows at targets and test flights
Have been shooting Magnus 2 since 97. Never a problem and yes sharping is easy. I have 9 left. Killed 6 deer with same broadhead until I lost it after shooting a buck and he broke it off on his way to death bed. Shot placement and close. Thank you for your efforts and taking us along.
RC, you got the same draw as I do. 25” most of the time, 25.5” when I really get in to it. I shoot 40#@26” and it will do a complete pass through. I enjoy watching your videos and Chris’s too. I’ve got about to old for the traditional kick. If I knew I was going to feel like I do, I’d took a lot better care of my old body. Keep up the great work, I enjoy the hack out of them. J.R
I like the title of the video. You are absolutely right, shot placement is key. Someone once told me “shoot for the exit”, suggesting that a broadside or quartering-away shot is preferable. I shot a doe square in the shoulder with a 300 grain grizzly single bevel and watched her run off with most of my arrow sticking out. I had shot another doe just before her and watched her go down. Once I got the first deer taken care of I tried to track the shoulder shot doe and was actually able to finally find blood about 200 yards from impact. I tracked the sparse blood for another 150-200 yards and stopped at the creek. I looked across but didn’t see her laying on the opposite bank(500ish yards from impact), I found her months later but at least I got confirmation that arrow got in there enough to kill her with a square shoulder shot. I will have to get some of those simmons tree sharks or swamp sharks. Good luck hunting, glad you are back in the saddle.
All bowhunters should watch your video. Your down to earth information is invaluable. I found your videos and have enjoyed every one. I have found them to be very informative and show bowhunting as it should be. I will be shooting basically the same bow that I used to shoot my first deer in the late 60's. I do not have the strength that i used to have but my love of hunting with my bow has never diminished. My wife and I are starting a new chapter in our lives. We sold our home in NE York, on the Vermont border and are purchasing a home in Chadbourn, NC. I grew up bowhunting in the mountains , the snow and below freezing temperatures. This will be a big change for me. I look forward to meet some other bowhunters who are willing to share their knowledge and experiences. I think that we could get along quite well. Wax Well The String, Your fellow bowhunter Ray Olson. Bye the way , I will be 72 This September.
Thank you thank you for this video Sir! You got the mail straight on the head! Shot placement through and through. Everything I’ve ever hit well with my 40lb limbs is dead and they died quick. 30 or 40lb more wouldn’t have killed em any better! Shoot a bow you can handle well and take responsible shots with it, not fire off arrows all over the place from a bow you can’t handle.
For Big 3 blade heads, Woodsman have heads like this, in glue on and in screw on depending on the arrow and NAP has the screw on head then G5 has a Monatec that is shorter but just as wide if not wider.
I KILLED A HUGE TENNESSEE BOAR WITH THAT OLD MAGNUS TWO BLADE BACK IN 2001 OFF THE GROUND AT FOUR YARDS. I STILL HAVE THOSE OLD MAGNUS. LIKE YOU SAVED ALL MY BROADHEADS AND WILL NEVER LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO USE THEM.
I’m in Central/north Georgia just now getting into Trad! Iv shot a few old bows a self made long bow and a recurve but just ordered a new long bow I want to start hunting with soon! Definitely going to put in the work before I try hunting with it, but I’m very excited! Love the information and hope to meet some of the great Trad shooters in Georgia soon!
I remember when I first started trad hunting the bow I shot was about 80ish pounds at my draw length and it was fun to shoot but the draw weight was so heavy that you couldn't practice for long periods of time and when I did different tests with the same arrows it had the same penetration as my 45lb bow.
Great video. Enjoy the thought process on bigger vs narrower broadheads based on shot angles. Never thought of it like that. It’s a very good idea. I plan to ground hunting more than from a tree this year. Been about 50:50 of each a few years maybe a little more in a tree than on the ground. Though Some of my ground spots put me over top of the deer a bit. Thanks for the great content!
Always s pleasure to watch your videos. I agree completely with your logic and have used lots of different blackheads over the years and they all work just fine, as long as they're sharp, and I did my part. Your wisdom is as always right on point and I appreciate the way you communicate. Keep them coming
Thanks Robert, that was excellent! I'm in your corner with your opinions. You have much more experience than me but it is remarkable how similar our experiences have been. Except for the Simmons heads (which I admire) I have used most of the others you discussed with the same results. (Razorhead, Zwickey, Grizzly, Magnus, Phantom and Woodsman)
I just got a Oneida Hickory flatbow set at 35#. I have a 29-30 in draw however but this made me feel a lot better about my choice to go lighter. Hoping to put one down here in the fall.
Spot on by an outstanding woodsman! I've always enjoyed and looked foward to your submissions on any platform. I agree, if I can only have 1 BH. It would be a Wensel original. I've got about 20 left.
You can look amongst various tribes and cultures in history. Smaller and slimmer heads were used on bigger game for increased penetration…bigger head/wider heads were used on smaller game for increased blunting effect. Counter to the narrative today.
Thank you for sharing all your practical information. We really only learn by doing or listening to the ones who share wisdom. So thank you. I’d like to share something with you that I learned from a Cherokee old timer. Those arrowheads that we find? We usually find em by a creek or maybe somewhere good to sit. Somebody learning to make them left there practice arrowheads there. The little ones? They were made by little ones and they’re very special.
I pretty much agree. Now I do Elk Hunt with a longbow. I have shot through a handful of them. High poundage and light arrows with Magnus Stingers. So, I also was doing something these "Gurus" said you can't do. My total arrow probably weighed 450 maybe. As for hogs I have killed tons of them. I never found a hog that could take a reasonable shot from a Tradbow.
Wow he said he's a T-Rex a 25 inch draw length or a Hobbit? Ha Ha they still sell snuffers,... they call them woodsman's now you get them at 3Rivers Archery.
Woodsman's and snuffers are not the same. Both good heads but the woodsman is not as wide. My draw is short from a bad neck and shoulder. Probably injured from packing out hundreds of longbow killed critters....with a short draw.
I hate to correct you so directly, sir. But that bare razor you had you held up was a Bear Super Razorhead SS. That's the stained steel screw in version of the older Bear.Razorhead that glued on to wooden shafts. I killed three muledeer with those back in the eighties. Unfortunately the stainless steel version did not live up to the legacy of the even older Bear Razorheads. The old carbon steel heads would almost never bend like that, but the new stainless steal ones were known to.
@@robertcarte95 I wouldn't. have mentioned it except that's what I started with on wooden arrows. And when I saw the SS and aluminum feerule, I put em right on my 2216's and loved it the first two times, then I had an angular bend like that, and another in a log when I missed. I tell you, thoigh, I really hate that Magnus stopped l making those glue -on heads! You do great work! God bless.
I agree with you that shot placement is the key. You can take an old spoon and make a broadhead out of it and kill a deer if you send it through the vitals. Trade points have killed many animals. Great video!
Hey Robert, glad to see you got a UA-cam channel. This is the first video I've seen and I see you got some more I'll watch em later. This is a good one on broadheads and shot placement, and I agree with everything you said about them. I've been fortunate enough to kill deer with every one of those brands of broadheads that you showed accept the stone points. Those muzzy phantoms they are pretty special, they seem to leave a better blood trail and killed em quicker than the big ol rothar snuffers did. My first few deer along with two nice bucks that I ever killed back in '88 were those light green glue on Bear broadheads. It's been about 10 years or better I spect since I sent you about you a half a dozen of them Winsel woodsman heads. Didn't want anything for em in return if you remember, but you sent me a knife anyway. Have not been able to shoot my heavy bows for a while being that I hurt my bow shoulder, so I've been shooting a 40 lb Kodiak special and I expect it will kill a deer just fine with proper shot placement.
Not all that amazing for true seasoned hunters scouting the same area to end up picking out the same tree. Must say that it is nice to be on the identical page for the complete journey as respect for the game we pursue remains primal.
I have points that I have found that are smaller than the ones you found in my studying of the native Americans of where I live in Central AL NOT FAR from GA the people used Blowguns
I use the Zwickey Eskimo that I'm not particularly good at sharpening, and I've never had a good hit go more than 100 yards. I don't recall any of them being destroyed, and I've hit the dirt plenty of times. My daughter's first bow kill was with a 35 lb bow, definitely not drawing at 28 inches, but the shot was straight down into the boiler room.
I'm terrible at sharpening. Luckily I have an old school uncle just like the guy in this video. He helped me glue on my zwickey deltas and sharpen them with a bone breaking chisel tip. I need a V-jig with files screwed in between .. he does it all freehand with a mill bastard file. Then pulls out his oils and the end. Every knife he has is wicked sharp. If you pull out your edc, First thing he'll do is run his nail or his calloused thumb up and down it and he'll go "yuhp, that isn't sharp" lol.
@@rustyshackleford3487 drive on up to MN! All playing aside, I have someone who can teach me, but it's still difficult. It's interesting watching him work on those zwickeys with all the metal you have to initially take off to get a straight cutting edge. Mine are always uneven. And then forget the razor edge part. Respect to those who can keep a bevel. I like your comment too about your daughter and her #35 bow. Uncle Scotts biggest buck ever was taken with a #35 Herters. Have a good hunting season!
Got my first traditional archery deer this past season, i contribute finding him and in the distance we did to using the broadhead i was. I had a grizzly knocked every sit except that one and i had a Palmer Extreme Cut 4 blade and hit him farther back on a hard quarter shot. I destroyed guts, straight through liver and opposite lung but i really think he woulda went farther if it had been the grizzly.
I bought a bow rated at 50 at 28. I am a 30in drw so I figured I was 55 or so on my fingers. I got a bow scale a while back and I am actually holding 62lb. I am going to replace it with a lighter one. Where and what I hunt requires 50lb by state regulation but dropping 12lb can be very helpful for accuracy
A few years ago I walked into an archery shop. The owner had died and his wife was selling out. There was 2 old faded packages of zwickey black diamonds. I bought them all for $10 and still shoot them off my 50# longbow I made from Osage orange.
I've just discovered your video videos and they are a pleasure to watch. You bring a calmness to the sport that we love, no first bumping, no hoorahing(sp), no patting yourself on the back. You sir appear to be the real deal and I appreciate that, thank you.
Couldn't agree more!
Yeah, tou're totally right but one thing sir, hunting isn't a sport especially not with a bow because our ancestor were hunting the same way with bow and arrow for food not for pleasure of killing animals.
Thank you Sir I just found your channel your traditional wisdom is awesome that you’re willing to share!!! You have saved me from searching for the right equipment and poundage of traditional bows. God bless🏹
Hey Robert, I suspect those small points were glued or hafted as a razor tip on to a larger bone or wood point and fixed onto the arrow as a foreshaft. It could have been bow or atlatl. They have found complete specimans melting out of the ice in the Yukon. The bone section was usually barbed. I know it seems like a long way but it is amazing how similar technology and trade was even 10,000 years ago.
I have never heard of blow guns being used in North America. I am interested now though!
I shoot a black widow recurve, 50 lbs @32"draw. I shoot Black Eagle Deep impact arrows 34"long. Most arrows aren't long enough. I was talking to Michael Treadway at TBOF shoot, and a guy came up and asked Michael if he had any longbows @ 65 lbs or better? Michael asked what for? The man said he was going hunting for Elk. Michael showed him his personal longbow that was 45 lbs the guy said it was gorgeous but not enough poundage. Micheal replied...well it shot completely through an Elk last year, just gotta hit right.
My one elk was killed with my 53 lb Black widow recurve at 35 yards. It entered behind the last rib and penetrated a few inches out the front shoulder. It was a Zwicky Eskimo broadhead. He went 60 yards.
I shoot a treadway. The bows he builds are so nice, he clearly knows what he’s talking about
Literally, just after I watched a video of you hunting pigs with your traditional equipment, I got on Lancaster archery and ordered a recurve bow. Your content is outstanding. Better than 99% of the other stuff I've watched. God Bless you sir
Thanks!!!
Thanks for the video ,I always pay attention when you speak . The comments on bow weight really hit home as I’m having a hard time getting off shooting heavier bows but know I’ll be fine with bows in the 40’s
Love the videos and your plain spoken common sense approach to things
Amen
Robert, those small stone points are often called “bird points” by collector’s. Several folks have done experiments with them (Billy Berger has a UA-cam vid on this), and they certainly will penetrate vitals and kill deer. The small heads have several advantages, mostly that they are easier to produce and shoot from lighter bows.
I enjoy your content. Thank you
Was having a crap old day. Then found this video and it made my day. Subscribing was an easy decision.
Thanks for sharing. Quillian is a name I can't forget. Bought a fine long bow from him in late 80's. Thanks again
Good stuff, I’d love to see a video about single bevels and your experience with em
I TOO HAVE USED MOST OF THOSE HEADS. THIS YEAR I'M USING THE 135 SIMMONS. I FOUND A VERY EASY WAY TO MAKE THEM SHAVING RAZOR SHARP. I USE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE THREE INCH KNIFE SHARPENING CRISS CROSS CERMAIC. I STROP THEM LIGHTLY ABOUT 15 TO 20 TIMES EACH SIDE. THEN BACK STROP THEM ON LEATHER WITH THE GREEN PASTE ABOUT TWENTY TIMES. OH LORD THEY ARE SHAVING SHARP. GREAT VIDEO. NEW SUB. FROM OLD IOWA TRADBOW MAN. FROM 641. ALWAYS THUMBS UP! GOD'S BLESSINGS.
I completely agree on bow poundage. I use an 37# Sitka Perfection recurve that slays the deer, pass throughs on some shots. Maryland requires 30#'s to hunt deer with, and I have know doubt that 30#'s will get the job done too! Great video, thanks for posting!
Out of all the equipment out there, the most important thing is the Hunter using it, good old fashioned woodsmanship.
I just found your videos and I am new to hunting using a recurve. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
My first longbow was 53#. (HOWARD HILL BIG FIVE). I tried to hand sharpen different broad heads, but initially only had success with a Snuffer. That was because I was using a knife sharpening stone bridging two out of three blades. I sharpened until I could no longer see any machine marks on the blade.(I used a black felt tip on the blades before sharpening.) I thought that I was all set until a cross wind came up and I saw the Snuffer equipped arrows dart away from the wind direction!
I had tried to sharpen Howard Hill broad heads, but never could get them sharp. I had also tried sharpening Grizzly broad heads, but ended up giving up and dulling both edges to use them for 3D deer target practice. The Grizzly broad heads have a single steep one sided bevel, and one day I got the idea of trying to sharpen the back side of a Grizzly with just a couple of light passes with the file. I had dulled all my Grizzly broad heads, but decided to give it a try anyway. After but two light passes on the back side of the single bevel I ran my finger along the edge and it cut my finger! Amazing! Those broad heads had been absolutely dull, but...
I had found the answer to my multi year search for a broad head with good flight characteristics with a very tough blade.
I feel EXACTLY the way Kenny does (below). Don't change a thing. Just keep doing what you're doing!
Thank you for sharing your insight Robert. Great info!
It has been told by my family members who spent a lot of time on the reservation in cherokee nc, those little points that folks call bird points were most likely put on 12 inch or less stems that were inserted into cane arrows and atlatl darts. When used for small game they got clean kills with plenty of penatration.misses could get them a broken stem but the arrow itself and even the head would be more protected.
Ötzi the Iceman from about 3300 B.C. had a bow and a quiver of arrows with him. From the looks of it, he was very successful with that setup - not one piece of metal, carbon fiber and no gears and pulleys.
I'll stick with my stickbow and stay traditional as I can for pigs, deer, turkey, elk....
Love your site.
Enjoyed the talk RC. I burn a smoky cold fire almost every day summer time in the back yard to push the Skitas OUT. Last 20 years I have really drilled down and concentrated on making perfect hits. And yes we see or hear most of them crash! Easy bloodtrailing for sure.
The small stone points are referred to as "Bird Points" I have found several here in Alabama, I have 3 that are made of quartz.
When I was a kid in the 60s,
I'd find the tiny heads and we called them bird heads, no idea for sure. I'd trade them for 22 shells. Had everything but the Simmons and still use most of them. Also have some Deadheads, rather big wide heads. Killed a lot of game with the various two blade bear heads from glue on to stainless steel Razorhead lights. Actually shot a doe between the eyes one time with about a 35 lb bow. I shot down at her and she raised her head up as I did, the arrow punched out and barely into her ribs, still have that skull with the arrow in it. and yes, you have to pick a spot and hit that spot to be the good hunter. The first really good longbow that I ever shot and wish that I still had was a 45# Dan Quillian Bamboo Longhunter. it was a very sweet shooting bow and I took a lot of game with it. it got stolen. The gnats are a part of life for a lot of us and like you, they get very old very quickly. I shoot mostly 45# and less with several bows 42# or less. Shot placement with sharp heads is the most important thing, too many are simply over bowed. And yes, stay within your best abilities on distance. Harder for them to jump the string at 8 yards and if you were already aiming low for the heart, you are still very good at such short distances. The problem that you have my friend, is that you have common sense and use it. This old world seems to have lost most of the common sense. Shine on Brother
Good video. Just talking about what you know and not a bunch of horse crap.I enjoyed this one.Thank you Brother
My last two deer were killed with my 50# recurve and magnus 125 gr. Killerbees. I used the same arrow and broadhead for both a few days apart. I switched this year to my 65# wildcat 2 so hopefully it will draw blood in the morning. Tomorrow is NC opening day. Thank you for the awesome informative video btw.
I have been looking at the Simmons Safari. Thank you for helping me to make the purchase.
Well Mr. Robert Carter I couldn't agree with you more ... I've been at this Bow hunting game almost 50 years now, and I totally agree with everything you said and even preached it a little !! Those tiny heads were called "Bird Points" I believe ? But supposable used on big game for the same reasons you stated, light weight bows with small sharp heads equaled penetration. Another good head is one cut out of a table saw blade ! Two Blade heads have fed mankind for thousands of years right.
Thanks for sharing Robert. I used muzzy for decades when i used compounds.
Muzzy Phantom and Palmer Extreme cut are also awesome deadly broadheads! Great video!
I could literally listen to you speak all day. Everything you say is spot on. I’ve said it for years, there is no such thing as a magic broadhead. A gut shot animal, is a gut shot animal. You can shoot a 90 lbs bow, pool stick sized arrow with a 300 grain 4” cut broadhead. But if you hit the deer through the paunch, same results. All these broadhead review videos where the guys shooting broadheads through plywood, tires, concrete block etc, is a bunch of bologna. I’ve killed deer with Muzzy, Wasp, Grim Reapers, Rage, Swhackers, Magnus, Fixed blade and mechanical. When you hit an animal where you’re supposed to and let the air out of them, they don’t go anywhere and usually fall within sight. Broad heads aren’t necessarily “junk” because you shoot it in a video through 5/8” thick plywood and a blade bent…… Great video !!!!!
True nuff! Put it in the right spot n take home dinner!! No matter the critter!
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I’m skeptical about mechanicals I’ve seen a lot of them work and do a lot of damage but I’m going with what has always worked for me
I've learned a great deal about bows and arrow flight since making my own bows. And you do need a certain amount of force but it's not as high as people think.
I haven't harvested a deer yet, and I do shoot a 50 pound bow, but I've been surprised at how far fast and hard even 35 pound bows cast arrows at targets and test flights
Have been shooting Magnus 2 since 97. Never a problem and yes sharping is easy. I have 9 left. Killed 6 deer with same broadhead until I lost it after shooting a buck and he broke it off on his way to death bed. Shot placement and close. Thank you for your efforts and taking us along.
RC, you got the same draw as I do. 25” most of the time, 25.5” when I really get in to it. I shoot 40#@26” and it will do a complete pass through. I enjoy watching your videos and Chris’s too. I’ve got about to old for the traditional kick. If I knew I was going to feel like I do, I’d took a lot better care of my old body. Keep up the great work, I enjoy the hack out of them. J.R
Outstanding Robert Shot placement ! shot placement !
Timber shark 190 grain 👍🏹That's my choice
Once again, another great video. I totally agree, shot placement is everything. That’s why we should all practice a lot. Thank you for the video.
At 14:55 you showed the only broadhead I have used for the past 22 years, use Sunffers for about 10 years (used Bear razor heads for the first 20).
Mr Carter thanks enjoyed keep making videos learn a lot from u
Thanks!
Just watched and Sub! Not a bow hunter yet? those smaller arrows are small game arrows. Thanks for the education, Priceless
Yup the woodsmen shoots just like a field point
Very good video and your soo right, shot placement is everything
I like the title of the video. You are absolutely right, shot placement is key. Someone once told me “shoot for the exit”, suggesting that a broadside or quartering-away shot is preferable.
I shot a doe square in the shoulder with a 300 grain grizzly single bevel and watched her run off with most of my arrow sticking out. I had shot another doe just before her and watched her go down. Once I got the first deer taken care of I tried to track the shoulder shot doe and was actually able to finally find blood about 200 yards from impact. I tracked the sparse blood for another 150-200 yards and stopped at the creek. I looked across but didn’t see her laying on the opposite bank(500ish yards from impact), I found her months later but at least I got confirmation that arrow got in there enough to kill her with a square shoulder shot. I will have to get some of those simmons tree sharks or swamp sharks. Good luck hunting, glad you are back in the saddle.
My favorite video of yours Robert ,keep on keeping on !
So enjoyable. Just spittin facts. Hopefully this gets as many views as it deserves.
All bowhunters should watch your video. Your down to earth information is invaluable. I found your videos and have enjoyed every one. I have found them to be very informative and show bowhunting as it should be. I will be shooting basically the same bow that I used to shoot my first deer in the late 60's. I do not have the strength that i used to have but my love of hunting with my bow has never diminished. My wife and I are starting a new chapter in our lives. We sold our home in NE York, on the Vermont border and are purchasing a home in Chadbourn, NC. I grew up bowhunting in the mountains , the snow and below freezing temperatures. This will be a big change for me. I look forward to meet some other bowhunters who are willing to share their knowledge and experiences. I think that we could get along quite well. Wax Well The String, Your fellow bowhunter Ray Olson. Bye the way , I will be 72 This September.
Good tradbow clubs in the Carolinas. Tar heel bow hunters comes to mind. Thanks!! Enjoy the South.
@@robertcarte95 Thank You so much. we will talk again
Thank you thank you for this video Sir! You got the mail straight on the head! Shot placement through and through. Everything I’ve ever hit well with my 40lb limbs is dead and they died quick. 30 or 40lb more wouldn’t have killed em any better! Shoot a bow you can handle well and take responsible shots with it, not fire off arrows all over the place from a bow you can’t handle.
Great video ! Lot of knowledge.
Great video as always. So glad you’re putting more stuff out there.
For Big 3 blade heads, Woodsman have heads like this, in glue on and in screw on depending on the arrow and NAP has the screw on head then G5 has a Monatec that is shorter but just as wide if not wider.
I KILLED A HUGE TENNESSEE BOAR WITH THAT OLD MAGNUS TWO BLADE BACK IN 2001 OFF THE GROUND AT FOUR YARDS. I STILL HAVE THOSE OLD MAGNUS. LIKE YOU SAVED ALL MY BROADHEADS AND WILL NEVER LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO USE THEM.
I’m in Central/north Georgia just now getting into Trad! Iv shot a few old bows a self made long bow and a recurve but just ordered a new long bow I want to start hunting with soon! Definitely going to put in the work before I try hunting with it, but I’m very excited! Love the information and hope to meet some of the great Trad shooters in Georgia soon!
Great video, Thank you from a newbie to traditional guy
Great video brother, I’m still shooting those Bear heads and bows for the nostalgia you mentioned, have a blessed week
Awesome video, thanks for sharing your experience. Something you can't buy!
Words from your experience are very valuable thank you sir
I remember when I first started trad hunting the bow I shot was about 80ish pounds at my draw length and it was fun to shoot but the draw weight was so heavy that you couldn't practice for long periods of time and when I did different tests with the same arrows it had the same penetration as my 45lb bow.
Great video. Enjoy the thought process on bigger vs narrower broadheads based on shot angles. Never thought of it like that. It’s a very good idea. I plan to ground hunting more than from a tree this year. Been about 50:50 of each a few years maybe a little more in a tree than on the ground. Though Some of my ground spots put me over top of the deer a bit. Thanks for the great content!
I really enjoy your videos
Always s pleasure to watch your videos. I agree completely with your logic and have used lots of different blackheads over the years and they all work just fine, as long as they're sharp, and I did my part. Your wisdom is as always right on point and I appreciate the way you communicate. Keep them coming
Well done! Enjoyed and agreed with everything that you said.
Thanks Robert, that was excellent! I'm in your corner with your opinions. You have much more experience than me but it is remarkable how similar our experiences have been. Except for the Simmons heads (which I admire) I have used most of the others you discussed with the same results. (Razorhead, Zwickey, Grizzly, Magnus, Phantom and Woodsman)
fantastic video as always
Great stuff. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I am excited to see what that Simmons does this year.
I just got a Oneida Hickory flatbow set at 35#. I have a 29-30 in draw however but this made me feel a lot better about my choice to go lighter. Hoping to put one down here in the fall.
Great video! Shot placement & FOC arrow will do the trick all day...subbed up! Keep the vid's coming!
Spot on by an outstanding woodsman! I've always enjoyed and looked foward to your submissions on any platform. I agree, if I can only have 1 BH. It would be a Wensel original. I've got about 20 left.
You can look amongst various tribes and cultures in history. Smaller and slimmer heads were used on bigger game for increased penetration…bigger head/wider heads were used on smaller game for increased blunting effect. Counter to the narrative today.
Thank you for sharing all your practical information. We really only learn by doing or listening to the ones who share wisdom. So thank you. I’d like to share something with you that I learned from a Cherokee old timer. Those arrowheads that we find? We usually find em by a creek or maybe somewhere good to sit. Somebody learning to make them left there practice arrowheads there. The little ones? They were made by little ones and they’re very special.
Great video unique videos need more like you
Well done Robert. I agree 100% shoot straight
I pretty much agree. Now I do Elk Hunt with a longbow. I have shot through a handful of them. High poundage and light arrows with Magnus Stingers. So, I also was doing something these "Gurus" said you can't do. My total arrow probably weighed 450 maybe. As for hogs I have killed tons of them. I never found a hog that could take a reasonable shot from a Tradbow.
It's all about shot placement no doubt!
@@robertcarte95 exactly
Wow he said he's a T-Rex a 25 inch draw length or a Hobbit?
Ha Ha they still sell snuffers,... they call them woodsman's now you get them at 3Rivers Archery.
Woodsman's and snuffers are not the same. Both good heads but the woodsman is not as wide.
My draw is short from a bad neck and shoulder. Probably injured from packing out hundreds of longbow killed critters....with a short draw.
@@robertcarte95 get in a hot tub and it might cure you.
Great Video
100 % agreed great video!
Hi Robert love the channel, I just subscribed.
Hopefully I'll run into you at a trad shoot this year.
I hate to correct you so directly, sir. But that bare razor you had you held up was a Bear Super Razorhead SS. That's the stained steel screw in version of the older Bear.Razorhead that glued on to wooden shafts. I killed three muledeer with those back in the eighties.
Unfortunately the stainless steel version did not live up to the legacy of the even older Bear Razorheads. The old carbon steel heads would almost never bend like that, but the new stainless steal ones were known to.
You are correct Sir. I have a few of the old greenies and have killed with them.
@@robertcarte95 I wouldn't.
have mentioned it except that's what I started with on wooden arrows. And when I saw the SS and aluminum feerule, I put em right on my 2216's and loved it the first two times, then I had an angular bend like that, and another in a log when I missed.
I tell you, thoigh, I really hate that Magnus stopped l making those glue -on heads!
You do great work! God bless.
What an awesome video I’m shooting lower poundage bow and I shoot a Grizzly broadhead 200 grain and have had a pass through cause of shot placement
Great video very good information, God bless
Those stone tips look like chert rock .
I have most of those heads in my boxes. No magic pixie dust, get close, aim small, put it where it counts.
I used to shoot Razorheads until I ran out of them. They're collectable now.
Good video. Maybe you can do a video on building a heavy arrow for them pigs. Thanks 👍🏻
I agree with you that shot placement is the key. You can take an old spoon and make a broadhead out of it and kill a deer if you send it through the vitals. Trade points have killed many animals. Great video!
The Bear razorheads, I used to file the point off of them, and put a 1/8 to 3/16 radius on them and resharpen them, they won’t bend then.
I would think that small arrow heads are for small animals... Rabbits, birds, porcupines, squirls, etc.
Liked your video. new subscriber.
Hey Robert, glad to see you got a UA-cam channel. This is the first video I've seen and I see you got some more I'll watch em later. This is a good one on broadheads and shot placement, and I agree with everything you said about them. I've been fortunate enough to kill deer with every one of those brands of broadheads that you showed accept the stone points. Those muzzy phantoms they are pretty special, they seem to leave a better blood trail and killed em quicker than the big ol rothar snuffers did. My first few deer along with two nice bucks that I ever killed back in '88 were those light green glue on Bear broadheads. It's been about 10 years or better I spect since I sent you about you a half a dozen of them Winsel woodsman heads. Didn't want anything for em in return if you remember, but you sent me a knife anyway.
Have not been able to shoot my heavy bows for a while being that I hurt my bow shoulder, so I've been shooting a 40 lb Kodiak special and I expect it will kill a deer just fine with proper shot placement.
Tagged out with 6 deer this year with 37#’s
Not all that amazing for true seasoned hunters scouting the same area to end up picking out the same tree.
Must say that it is nice to be on the identical page for the complete journey as respect for the game we pursue remains primal.
I have points that I have found that are smaller than the ones you found in my studying of the native Americans of where I live in Central AL NOT FAR from GA the people used Blowguns
Those are bird points. They barely stuck out the shaft. Like a blunt with a edge
I use the Zwickey Eskimo that I'm not particularly good at sharpening, and I've never had a good hit go more than 100 yards. I don't recall any of them being destroyed, and I've hit the dirt plenty of times. My daughter's first bow kill was with a 35 lb bow, definitely not drawing at 28 inches, but the shot was straight down into the boiler room.
I'm terrible at sharpening. Luckily I have an old school uncle just like the guy in this video. He helped me glue on my zwickey deltas and sharpen them with a bone breaking chisel tip. I need a V-jig with files screwed in between .. he does it all freehand with a mill bastard file. Then pulls out his oils and the end. Every knife he has is wicked sharp. If you pull out your edc, First thing he'll do is run his nail or his calloused thumb up and down it and he'll go "yuhp, that isn't sharp" lol.
@@mknight6556 I need someone like that to teach me. I can figure most things out, but that's a skill that eludes me.
@@rustyshackleford3487 drive on up to MN! All playing aside, I have someone who can teach me, but it's still difficult. It's interesting watching him work on those zwickeys with all the metal you have to initially take off to get a straight cutting edge. Mine are always uneven. And then forget the razor edge part. Respect to those who can keep a bevel. I like your comment too about your daughter and her #35 bow. Uncle Scotts biggest buck ever was taken with a #35 Herters. Have a good hunting season!
@@mknight6556 Thanks buddy, you too!
Preach brother
God Bless
Awesome video. You going to show us how you knap heads?
I have a vid on that. I do plan on knapping a knife or dagger.
If I’m not mistaken that is a dalton point
Got my first traditional archery deer this past season, i contribute finding him and in the distance we did to using the broadhead i was. I had a grizzly knocked every sit except that one and i had a Palmer Extreme Cut 4 blade and hit him farther back on a hard quarter shot. I destroyed guts, straight through liver and opposite lung but i really think he woulda went farther if it had been the grizzly.
Congrats on your Deer!!
I bought a bow rated at 50 at 28. I am a 30in drw so I figured I was 55 or so on my fingers. I got a bow scale a while back and I am actually holding 62lb. I am going to replace it with a lighter one. Where and what I hunt requires 50lb by state regulation but dropping 12lb can be very helpful for accuracy
Whatever you use to hunt with, shot placement is everything. Hit one too far back and you're liable not to find it, no matter what you're shooting.