Peter Kagwanja: Kenya Is Going Down & This Is The Reason
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- GUEST: Prof. Peter Kagwanja- Chief Executive Officer, The Africa Institute (API)
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I remember quite well in Kibaki's time when many said, and I quote "yes, we had corruption during Moi's era, but at least something was allowed to fall down here to the kina yahe, but under Kibaki even that small one has disappeared" the collective kenyan memory is just as long as a chickens flight. I couldnt believe my eyes when Moi was transformed into some kind of a statesman at his funeral, yet I was there as the crowd sang in seemingly one voice, "yote yawezekana bila Moi" I daresay maybe if we remembered hata kidogo tu, we could have a chance to change things but with our retarded memories, its almost impossible to make things better, how can we change anything if we dont remember anything.
Well said
Agreed,
True
Go and read "its our time to eat" by Wong. They tried to kill Githongo, hired mercenaries the Artur brothers. Kibaki introduced so many regulations, permits and licences that are now crippling business due to bureaucracy. Instead of reducing SOEs, they increased especially in the regulatory department. Now kenya is heading to a dystopia where you need permit for anything even farming and mandatory SHIF. The government is competing with private sector and hence stifling the private sector.
very well said!
Very good interview and conversation at the same time. The problem is, the guys in the studio kept interrupting professor even before he finishes his point. The interruptions were unnecessary, most of the time they made prof to lose his trail of thoughts.
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In 5 minutes he has described Ruto's leadership style which is not dissimilar from what we experienced under Moi.
''If you can't take the heat in the Kitchen, don't be in the kitchen in the first place''....my take on the Djibouti proverb..
The wife betrayed Uhuru. What I'd his take on that?
More of Prof. Kagwanja please
Kenya needs a parliamentary democracy+ federalism. That's how we'll coexist as different ethnic groups
Counties is a form of federalism.Ugatuzi.Majimbo.
@@theideamatters3280 they don't have enough power
@@thecafcl8409 then fight for more power.
This guy is smart
No Prof. Kenya is not going, it was going down and we are in bad ship but the doctor is saying the patient is out of danger but it's a long walk ahead. The patient will live. This is the situation Kenya is in today. The good thing is that despite the noise, Kenya is in good hands. I believe Rutonomics will work
Thank you for bringing in the Prof. His explanations are very enlightening! Let us have him more often.
I like proffesor.
We need to hear more from Prof
Kawanja is the husband to Dr. Monica Juma and Monica Juma is Ruto's special advisor on matters national security/defense.
i think the time was not enough for a meaningful assessment of our economic situation! it’s like we wanted to go through our history in a blitz! i think they need to invite the good professor again and dedicate some time to so that he can walk us through the phases from independence to now! the professor is very knowledgeable and a would say of a balanced academic and professional disposition! imagine your wife is an advisor to the president further security and you have to come and talk candidly of the present state of affairs which by any means are not rosy! the economy is struggling from the governor of central bank from the CS treasury and even dr. david Ndi! i think professor kagwanja was on the hot seat should he think of his family or talk his mind! it reminds of one philosopher who told his friend that friendship is friendship but facts are above friendship! let us sober up if there are some adjustments we have to make to make our fatherland a better place let’s make those adjustments and not personalize if we are called to order! we have one nation one flag one destiny!
Well put,parastatal rustling.
Kenyans in the late president Kibaki, said 'Tunavumilia kuwa Wakenya' when the government was promoting ' Tunajivunia kuwa Wakenya'.
I liked this one. Some critical thinking, not hanging on too much to an idolised version of a person or an ideology, some humor
In kikuyu culture you never ever admit things are currently good we are making it. Iiragwo yaari iria yakua
Talking of corruption during the NARC era, i remember when the citizens were arresting corrupt traffic police
I think Eric's hands have been oiled. He has become a pathetic government apologist.
Well schooled and informed proff ,Kenya needs many of his kind
We are probably headed south because no body really interrogated where we are headed. Things go wrong and we want to make changes and no changes happen 60 years down the line and we are like a retired person who is utterly dislusioned. Luckly as a country we can do it again but we need to hace a serious conversation with ourselves. Its like, capitalism is draining us.
Be objective
You see the problem is Kenya is going through an identity crisis with its people, and with everything else imposed upon it in the past. Kenya must drop this past history and start again so that they can prosper, and rebuild their people and economy. Also Kenya must reduce poverty amongst the people and provide free education to the young people so that they grow the success of the country
In regards to what Latif & Professor Kagwanja were clearly explaining of the growth & contribution of our Somali brothers & sisters internationally & regionally ,it comes to no surprise.The Somali are clearly aware of who & what that they are rebirthing into.
The Somali know why historical memory embedded in their DNA & knowledge of their ancestry comes in as being essential for the growth of their people so as to realize their freedom politically,economically & culturally because that is a body of knowledge that they have possessed throughout their ancestry from the ancient civilization of Kush. A good example of this is when Queen Hatshepsut,who occupied the throne of Kemet/Temeri (modern-day Egypt), for twenty one years(1504-1483 BCE),organized several trading expeditions including one in the ninth year of her reign to the land of Punt on the Somali coast.The expedition is portrayed in the magnificent bas-reliefs at Deir al-Bahir in upper Egypt.This body of knowledge helps them to know what time of day or night in history there are in & what they need to do for their next generation moving foward.
interesting. I'll come back to re-read this
we need a woman for the top office!
That is so true! Moi forged Kenya!!!
I wish Prof can mentor me .just that
soon we will need wheel burrows full of money just to buy bread. UDA logo was accurate.
We have never, and we will never say things are better now that's us unfortunately
According to you,are they?
Stop lying. Things got better when Kenya transitioned from Moi to Kibaki. And Kenyans loudly said so.
@@georgeodhiambo598 In fact, a poll by a reputable international firm, Gallup, rated Kenyans as the most optimistic people in the world
our standards are really low when the only good leader we keep mentioning is kibaki. That is where grand corruption started. we never heard of billions before that. Norway here tuned
This is very true. We need to compare ourselves with leaders who transformed Singapore, Malaysia's, South Korea and also Magufuli who destroyed corruption.
You are correct in a broad sense, but grand corruption started with Moi. The Goldenburg heist was a shs 13.5 billion scandal and it was a Moi scam.
Know something guys, it is really tiring to hear people talk about how everything must go down the drain in a county they call home. We should not be even on radio and TV doing celebrity talk shows while at the same time we are mocking our own situation. We should be in closed door meetings, holding all kinds of talks and chats to stave off the worst at all times. We should put patriotism high above all partisan concerns. Someone may make a statement thinking when it does come to pass, it is the government that shall go down; far from it. The whole 55 million souls are going down with it!
Are you saying we hold meetings with Kk government
@Allpro007 Not really, but as independent think tanks and citizens and interested parties. Kenya must remain after all the shenanigans are done with. So we need to think of Kenya beyond the usual 5 years, we have to do 20, 50, 100 year plans well beyond the current presidency or foreseeable term of the current government.
Whom have you heard saying that EVERYTHING must go down the drain? What I have heard here and there are some people saying that RUTO must go! RUTO is not everything! And "going" in this context does not mean that RUTO must go down the drain. It is their cry that RUTO must leave power. The constitution provides for a leader being shoved out of power mid-stream. It is their right to call for Ruto's exit.
Locked in the library to think
Are they not the same people who said ruto cant be president?
Infact those people in the bottom were so holed down deep it will really need people join hands to be able to lift them pole pole and with a lot of patience
😂There is a day ruto said that there will be be no money in his government watu wakacheka 😮😮😮😅
Well versed Prof....keep it there Spice Trio
Prof K was the 1st to cross the floor - For his family's sake. He even claimed to always have been a supporter of KK.
He is here, rewriting history, re-creating himself.
Kibaki set out to revive the economy, yes and perhaps revamp our education.
But Kibaki did not set out to root out corruption, nor did he set out to give us a better constitution. These are untruths, colored truths!!
Kenya is What is Today Because of 2010 Constitution and the Introduction of Devolution and Not Good Kibaki Leadership.
When I listen to your talk it make me think abit backward about BBI was being built to do the opposite to separate and create marked boundaries
why can't you people silence your phones? the sound of sms is very annoying
Latif you need to invite Philip Kisia to the situation room.
👍🏾 He's been here about 6 times since the Ruto regime took over though
This idea of ati ALL Kenyans were better off under Kibaki is a big illusion. Were the Kibera, Mathare slums not there? Were there homeless people on the streets? Same as under Moi? Same as under Jomo. Tuacheni kujidanganya.
Raila is the Lord of poverty. Ask him
Its not th work of government to make u rich .work on ur self Its ur responsibility
@@JohnMwangi-jv3pp it depends ulisoma wapi
You have obviously forgotten that it was during Kibaki's time that the concept of slum upgrading was given life.
@@fredkangethe7497Did you expect him to feed you from his personal wealth? Political leaders have the duty to set the environment in which people can work and create their own wealth.
Kagwanja is calling Moi a 'hero' because he oppressed Kenyans to a level of opening their 'eyes'. Is this intellectual argument?
It's hogwash. A weak point of argument and reference.
ERIC LATIFF is a KK apologist. he had really destroyed the debates recently
----- prophecy of an armchair delinquent!
We are toiling in our little pieces of land in the villages building our Kenya.
A Kenya that is is not failing.
A Kenya with a bright future.
A future without the errant semantics that count for nothing.
Some PhDs need to be reassessed.
We expect nothing positive about the Government from Peter Kagwanja!!, everyone knows where his loyalty has been!!
After elections & RUTO was Announced the winner he jumped back to KK GOVT. complaining that they were forced to support RAO.....so he has always been IN KK.....search for that video 😂😂😂😂😂
it's true,his articles in Sunday Nation are boring ,is an academic thesis,he is always campaigning for Kenya to foster friendship with China's for Kenya to industrialize,we cannot change from Colonial masters the West,with East
Your head is still in the sand. You better take it out if someone giving you facts turns into where his loyalty is
You seem not to know yourself @@u-know-this
@@u-know-this which facts? to be enslaved by loans? We manufacturers and industrialist being hosted on TV shows,to tell us how we can industrialize,not theorist and academicians!
Anyone speaking of kibaki this and that is an hypocrite.....by 2007 we were Fed up with him ,had he not manipulated the polls he would have been a one term president.He had a good team to work with.Because he had an inclusive government
The world is my friend 😊
During his tenure we had the most scandals
Kenya is going nowhere. It is people like kagwanja who will go down and leave Kenya thriving.
The thing is you expected an envelope after being invited in kibaki statehouse just as was normal in moi time briefly it sums up your true self the rest is just talk
Eric is disconnected with kibaki regime, totally and intentionally disconnected.
The govt was elected by common man kenyans should wait until 2027 complsinining will not help.
Does it mean the government cannot be removed by the same people who voted for it? Must we bear with poor and inept leadership till 2027?
Stop calling yourself "advocate". You know nothing. The constitution provides a leeway to legally remove a govt from power. Secondly it gives people the freedom and the right to critique the Govt.
Corruption is always there but depends on what is the deed, raiding the funds is the problem . All mega projects with alot of Corruption are done, so be at but show something.
You mean, Eric didn't see free education, didn't see roads that affordable unlike now?
Add also sultan hamud to mtito Andei road during the same time Raila Ondinga as Minister of roads and public works.
I was one of the Engineers on that project under Straburg.
Can we all try and fix our home kenya.the negativity we give kenya will not help us all. How can we keep talking bad about our mother kenya, where are we going to run to.its a shame we seem to jubiliate about hard and down kenya is going.its our home lets try to talk good about it no matter how one eyed our mother is.cover yours mothers shame.please.
People can't vote pathetic leaders then seek sympathy. Let the law of karma take it's course
Of course we toil day and night to try and fix Kenya. It is the thieves who are holding us back that we are bringing to account.
Maybe more Kenyans will ask themselves what I asked myself the first time I voted in 2017 after being abroad for a long time. You notice bitterness even among the best of the best in society. Then you ask yourself what is wrong. You think it's strange, it's not. Ruto himself is on record saying that during Kibaki's first term, they felt very bitter and alienated from the government. That's the problem though, when "our people'' clinch that presidency seat, we cease caring about how other Kenyans are feeling
U can't say kibaki with Raila!
The story of Somalis becoming business men is the refugee story the bussines peopmoved from Somalia to Kenya they went to Western countries and they keep coming with that money to Kenya
Somalis are the poorest immigrants in diaspora. As compared to other migrants somalis live in the most deprived areas in diaspora.
@@normanthenormand7554 yes they are but when they pul the little money they have they come to Kenya it works for them since they all invest in like one building, they also have merry go rounds in places like mineapolis where I guess when it gets to be your turn you get 30,000 dollars it can make a difference,
@@normanthenormand7554 maybe it's time other Kenyans doing well invest in Kenya or try to uplift the communities they came from
@@normanthenormand7554 I talked to one of the sons in one of the richest families in Kenya (not many know about them, they actually might be the richest), and I was bemoaning the fact that Kenya has been surrounded by so much conflict over the years. He told me the day that Somalia get their act together, they will take practically all Kenyan business (considering their long coastline etc). I've always wondered why their diaspora couldn't just come together and do something given the potential collective gain. All I see is them pointing fingers at everyone as the cause of their problems
They can't unless they change their religion or become atheists in fact they are going to take Kenya down the Somali way they are doing it already NEP is not govern able now they have gone to Lamu it's becoming ungovernable too
The Parliiament rejected the petition to replace the phrase on the Emblem with the name"KENYA".
GOD YAHUAH The Creator of the Universe has said it should.
The rebellion and and pride of the parliamentarians caused the covid 19.
Some of them even poke His nose by saying that there was no covid19. May GOD deal with them.
Today,the President knows that man is not as Sovereign, it is omly GOD who is Sovereign as the Preamble states.
Recentky the President was warned that with delay,"LET NO man say that he can correct the economy of Kenya". Understand that from the Creator perspective.
So, how does one undo the forces of the judgements over Kenya of The Creator instead of obeying? Left /right taxes upon tax on his nation.
With all the grafr, locusts, floods, draughts and diseases etc...
To have addressed the issue of the coat of arms which now is a religious logo was much simpler matter.
Maybe for them the Indian idol Ambee praised by the harambee gives them what they need even election victory.
Why dont the Educated African Kenyans of Christian faith about this error? The coat of arms and The Public Seal should display"KENYA"not the worship of goddess Ambee.
Hiw is the Emblem a national symbol if a deity of a minority is worshipped thereon, while Christians know that the Creator is Known as YAHUAH yet The Name of the Creator is not displayed thereon?
Let's talk about Det 28..
Erick is earnestly trying to distort the conversation by ostensibly providing nuanced perspectives. It's not rocket science that the cost of living is flaring. Honestly, Kibaki's tenure brings nostalgic moments because people could easily afford the basic meals: would you say that now? And you say that Kenyans like to be overexpectant, come on!
Ati "easily afford"? I say people from mukuru wa njenga and other ghettos would beg to differ. Life has never been "easily afford" for them. Ever.
@@Kittygacha_playz Its a relative term, we lived through those times...things were way much much better....I was a junior bank officer and could afford a new car. Now a mid level manager cant pay for the same
So irritating he should be replaced too unprofessional.
@@alexsimiyu8582 A junior whatever officer CANNOT afford a brand new car boss, no matter who is the president. You are talking of a used car, no matter how shiny😂😂😂
@@Kittygacha_playz You know the "new" context😁
millions of idiots let a few goons called politicians control them.
The voter is the poorest political class
Waaah!! PROF. Kawanja, I thought your wife is one of the key economic advisers to Husler government sir?? Haki where we are headed to God knows!!! Farmers be prepared to receive "uninvited guests" to your main gate soon.......Never seen anything like this since I was born. Kìmeturamba, na bado
His wife is national security advisor.
@@proton3362 great woman with tremendous respect globally
I have given up with this interview. These guys are too innocent for Kenya politics. Kenyan citizen do not judge a leader based on performance. It's all based on tribalism and the amount of money he gives them after stealing from the government. In addition majority of Kenyan are extremely poor and there will be no time with this slow economic growth rate that many people will say there are doing better.
Is Kenya still Going Down?
Prof Kagwanja has always been an insider. The wheeldeelrs and the spin doctor for the three successive regimes. His wife holds prominent positions therefore very conflicted. I do not think he will speak the truth to power
Perception dwells in hindsight
this man has no standards...juzi tu alikua anasupport ruto calling him the man kenya needed nini saa hii anarukaruka?
People like Kagwanja take Kenyas for fools. He thinks we don't know that Kibaki even supported the constitution to deny Raila a campaign plunk. That's why he ensured that he left it to wakina Uhuru whom he knew very well wouldn't implement it. Kenyans are not stupid.
Nonsense, Whose wife is the security advisor to the KK government after betraying Uhuru tell that to the birds.
Kagwanja you were a staunch supporter of ruto to the point your wife was the only cs retained from uhurus government 😂😂
Thank you for pointing that out!
He was "supporting" Azimio, until Ruto "won"
Kibaki was especially expected to eliminate tribalism. He promoted it instead; and he allowed the likes of Kiraitu to hold onto “our time to eat”.
On economy, there was a registered growth. Indeed as usual we expect differentials manifested in various groups of people.
The public expects promises to be delivered. Otherwise people lose hope.
Prof Anyang Nyongo has transformed Kisumu. Eric if you cant tollerate different perspectives respectfully why do you invite them?
Ruto is being judged too early. His policies are unpopular because the times are bad but in my view this way majority will with time come in board. Hes taxing the rich to build the lower class. With time ut will pay dividends in my view though it is painful. Above all the winner will be the one who will exterminate corruption and misuse of public funds. Transparency in everything.
Pathetic.
He is being judged against his own manifesto. Ama hajaweka bibilia chini? What would a politician be judged on, if not his own election pledges and the hopes(lies?) they plant in the minds of the electorate?
teachers on BOM are being taxed, including the housing levvy. Are these the rich you are referring to?
Taxing who? For who?nkt
I don't think the good Prof. is telling the truth or putting it differently he is falsely attributing the constitution to Kibaki.
The Constitution review was a peace settlement agreement brought by Raila and his group following the 2007/08 post election violence. In fact it was a Raila thing years earlier during the cooperation government with Moi.
Kibaki only briefly campaigned for it, in fact his side sabotaged the Bomas draft with Wako draft which was defeated. The Constitution of Kenya 2010 was a Raila project. Kibaki only waved (promulgated) the final document at Uhuru Park.
The economy - granted he picked and allowed competent ministers to work. This through Kenya Vision 2030 was pushed by Prof. Nyong'o and Oparanya. But we give credit to Kibaki for allowing his ministers to work.
Corruption - well nothing much to report.
Kibaki legacy project was one; National unity this is what he talked about and tried to shape his various governments to represent. Unfortunately, he allowed tribal appointments and just like previous governments failed on this.
While the economy grew, and we can credit him (Kibaki) for it. He failed on everything else.
Eric has a mental block. A KK apologist who cannot seem to allow the audience to listen to guests without bias . Thats disrespectful of your guests.
This my fren is not citizen TV. It is not Raila media, What the three are doing is balancing the discussion, It is currently the top rated commentary in Kenya, the reason you are here.
It is the only mainstream media show I can tolerate in Kenya today, I am not an average idiot (If I dare say so Myself) It is not perfect but there is no equal, courtesy of Eriic Latiff, Nduu and CT and their balancing act, give credit where it is due.
You are coming in from the desert, tulia my fren.
@@gyeboor1270 he is not balancing the discussion he's acting ridiculous and petty. Your tribalistic attitude is the biggest impediment
@@africanqueenmo Yours too..that is the meaning of balance iwinjo?
@@gyeboor1270Kipmafia
I agree with Prof and Eric's observation that we may appreciate Ruto later. He is not a bad leader like Wakina ODM and others want to make us believe.
Boss you are a fool.....
Kipmafia
Is there any day you have given raila chance to be president.....don't judge a book by its cover
Really. How one in his right mind appreciate a thief? This man is overseeing the total collapse of our country if he is not stopped soon than later. And here you are totally blind to what is happening before your very eyes. Such a person is spiritually blind.
Unlike most I don't think the country will fail under his tenure. We have strong fundamentals of human resources, infrastructure etc and he found a lot of work done including the constitution, previous cabinet etc,, which just might be the conditions for Ruto to get "lucky" just for trying a lot, but I think he's a terrible leader. The mere fact that he spent the first 5 years of Kibaki's presidency basically threatening those who had legit _bought_ their land in Rift Valley, saying "we go around thinking we can live anywhere we want in this country" paints a very bad picture of him. The same guy now owns huge properties all over Kenya, from the Coast, to Laikipia, to Narok. Never mind that his Kalenjin people are not the original inhabitants of the Uasin Gishu where he didn't want others to live, and their elites live in former Kikuyuland in the leafy suburbs around Nairobi. His was an example of extremely terrible problem solving, with deadly consequences. I try to let it go for the sake of his supporters
It is in Kibakis era that the atur brothers raided our country and were permitted to move like the were presidents. In the same are when anglo leasing was paid. Thika highway construction cost was inflated. A whoe media house was attacked. Crispin Mbai was killed for being strict in the drafting of the constitution which Kibaki and team highly mutilated to suit themselves. In fact Kenyans massively voted him out in 2017 but he forced himself in leading to the POV. Don't know why yhe shameless professor keeps saying "because I was there" like he is the only Kenyan who was alive then. Kibakis time isn't as blissful as they want to force us to thio
Yes, I'm from Mt Kenya, and many members of my extended family did very well economically during Kibaki's time but I can't lie that things were rosy during Kibaki's time. I know the opportunities were limited to a small cabal. Even the very many Kikuyus who joined mungiki at the time can't have joined because of their bliss. And underground police squads (Kwekwe) eliminated them like weeds. It's obvious that there are many innocent people who died. Even the Kwekwe turned against themselves. Kibaki missed an opportunity for national cohesion. Sometimes I think it wasn't out of malice etc, just some blindspots e.g not knowing how bad limiting opportunities to his old buddies looked, no matter their competence, because they mostly come from one region. I was a Kibaki devotee, but I have to look at things critically and acknowledge the experiences of others
Prof really trying to bash the current government, while not making a connection of perceptions in Kibaki's time
He is right Ruto has failed the country badly! That is no longer a secret!
😂😂😂lol the current government do not deserve any praise there is nothing tto talk about
@@mbatiajimmy5066 how has he failed the country?
@@mourice1669 as far as they are in office for four years to come. There must be talks
@@alexkibe4179 yes so far only negative vibes...Ruto is poking holes in everysector of the economy
You Kenyans talk about corruption as it is a natural thing, like eating or going to the toilet.
Like it is an accepted behaviour.
When do you learn that it is simple stealing high prevents your country from moving forward?
I can safely say bat I had never in 50+ years encountered corruption until I came to Kenya.
I had only heard about it in theory.
And I was shocked, I was flabbergasted, I was stunned and I quickly realized why you are going nowhere.
Kibaki time there was no counties that mean we had small number of thieves
Kibaki and his kikuyus never supported devolution.
That changed by 2010. At that point it was mainly Ruto opposing
Don't talk here and you are the planners with your wife. You brought Evil UDA to power.
I like Erick for pressing hard questions to the biased Prof, I wonder what value he added to the Kibaki administration
Politically kibaki failed terribly
Explain
Kibaki cared about the well being of Kenya. He kept politics by his side to build a successful country! Did you see Kenyans hungry because Kibaki didn’t care about the politics?
@@mbatiajimmy5066 these are just ignorant youth who cannot think critically. Of course youre right.
@@mbatiajimmy5066if that is true about, Kibaki,then how come Kenya is not industrialized?why are we not manufacturing tractors,aeroplane,motorbikes?we are still importing them?
Politics is of no benefit to common mwananchi we need leadership Ruto is a politician....
This prof. is too full of theory. He is also UDA damu and that is his main undoing.
😂😂 Eric always defending the government