Your right it is the weaker of the 3 BECAUSE of the cooldown. Volatile is a very strong verb, people always forget how strong it used to be at launch after witch queen. Bungie probably just wanted to avoid it being as strong hence why they put the cooldown on the perk itself but imo it really should be removed as with it it’s just a useless perk.
IIRC the damage itself is pretty high on volatile explosions while Incandescent requires ignition procs to get to the same numbers. You can see it really shine with Volatile Rounds it's explosion can also proc the enemies you marked with Destabilizing rounds. I do agree the cooldown should be reduced or removed but I can see why they didn't want it proccing all the time. Imagine if Incandescent could proc Ignition as frequently as you could with Ember of Ashes but it was built into the perk instead of needing a subclass fragment. That's essentially what a no cooldown Destabilizing rounds could be like as it would be able to do the Volatile Rounds interaction but completely by itself.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 BUT MAUH EXPLOSIONS, BUNGO IS STUPID ABD DUMB, DURR, I SOULD BE ANLE TO WIPE ENTIRE CONTINENTS IN ONE SHOT! (I know I misspelled stuff here, I’m leaving it in, it’s part of the joke) JK, this is a pretty good explanation. Yeah that would be completely broken. Enhanced Destab does reduce the cooldown. It is fine, I just would like a timer to give me a visual indicator of how long I gotta wait before killing something again. It can’t be that long anyway.
I'm glad they're giving more weapons access to subclass verbs. I thought they'd never put voltshot on a bow but here we are. I really like using bows and I need more with verb access!
If Destabilizing Rounds must have a cooldown, cut it in half to 1.5 seconds with the enhanced version of it. 2.5 seconds is just far too long, man. That one second would really make a difference.
@@dougcarey2233 that would make it the strongest perk in the game by a miiiiile. On demand volatile rounds would not only powercreep the fragment MADE for volatile rounds, but also be so strong, there would be some builds you wouldn't even run the other subclass verbs based perks in favor of destabilizing rounds
@@lordgrub12345This. Destab is insane fundamentally because it's the only explosion perk in the game that does more damage the more enemies are nearby, one destab rounds proc is enough to wipe entire rooms in GMs. It's also why Voltshot needs a reload, it's to give it a cooldown.
All bungie needs to do is to remove Destabilizing Rounds’ cooldown. Then it’s riiiight up there with Incandescent and Voltshot. Seriously, it’s that simple. Then this bow will become part of the true meta.
It would be stupid strong if you did. Volatile explosions do a fair amount of damage only really comparable with Incandescent via Ignitions. Imagine doing the Volatile rounds combo with Destabilizing where you kill an enemy which spreads volatile and also blows up itself which procs the enemies that got hit by Destabilizing rounds, but you don't need Volatile rounds to do it. I agree it would be amazing but it would likely come at a loss of damage from Volatile explosions itself, which would hurt Volatile Rounds. That interaction would be too potent, and actually really was back when the volatile verb first came out. I would love to see Destabilizing be as strong of a perk by itself like Incandescent but I don't think simply removing the cooldown is going to be the fix, at least not without Bungie some how also making it worse at the same time.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4They put dragonfly and incandescent on Tyranny of Heaven and nobody uses that even though it's stupidly OP. Removing the cool down from destabilizing would do nothing.
@@dougcarey2233no one complains about Voltshot when you need to reload after kill to proc it. Isn’t the reload alone a cool down essentially? I just see echo chambers
With as many that have dropped for me today (well over 75+), you don’t have a choice but to end up with whatever roll you are searching for. Bungie got the sliders to the MAX on this bow’s drop rate
Susseful warm up + archers gambit gives you the fastest bow in existence, if i remember my roll correctly but both perks make me shoot faster and its nearly instant knocking
Agreed. For me it's the only way you can achieve a lightweight strand bow. The only way I'm grinding hard for this is if it comes with dragonfly or like some meganeura level crazy perk...
The perks are definitely better on this new bow and I love my letho but having a different set of choices makes them more of like a use either or depending on what perks I want lol
Why's lethopobia so popular? Is it just for pvp bowswapping? Because I found the lack of draw time reducing and add clearing perks to be very off-putting
To save time, best rolls are destabilize rounds + repulsor brace, kill clip, archers tempo + maybe precision instrument. Those are the only perks i could see someone using it for.
Managed to get a hip fire grip and archer gambit, and it so fast and precise arrows on hip fire that it made really fun, aint the more lethal ofc but still really fun.
Light weights unfortunately got hit with that Aim assist nerf due to precision frames, precision frames have that secret sauce that makes them feel a lot better
The one thing I would like to see Happen In game, is dynamic scalers for perks, depending on weapon type. The greatest example for this is the difference between kill clip and precision instrument. Kill clip is flat out superior, BUT is PI had a dynamic scaler for bows, where you cut down the amount of hits for max dps from 6, to like 3, then it would technically be better for sustainability. If I remember correctly, vorpal weapon does something similar between primaries/specials/power.
I’ve still got an explosive payload/dragonfly subtle calamity (it has 40k+ kills on it so I didn’t delete when sunset). I’ve loved picking it up again.
I feel like you got your bow frames mixed up there bro (maybe whoever wrote the script did?). Also you forgot to mention, the lightweight frame imperial needle, lethophobia, the precision frame subtle calamity (some people might have it?) and THE OG, LEVIATHAN'S BREATH.
Id argue this is just slightly better than lethophobia, mainly because of the origin traits. While the one on leth isn’t bad, these two on the new one are both much easier to activate, and have more of a benefit.
Archer’s tempo and archers gambit with oathkeepers is NOT the fastest you can get this bow. You assumed it capped out because oathkeepers didn’t change the draw time. Oathkeepers literally doesn’t even buff draw time if you already reach 500 (or 540 on this bow cuz it’s bugged). Furthermore, both of its origin traits decrease its draw time even further, one from a 10% chance every time you hit an enemy being veist stinger, and the other being off of assists or assisted final bows through dream works. With all of these, I’m just gonna guess you can probably get it down to 8-9 frames, putting it at around that 154-173 draw time range. There is no cap, just diminishing returns
The 540 ms draw time it shows is the same bug as Lethophobia as they actually hit 500 ms draw time with max draw time of Elastic String or Polymer String with Draw time mw or oathkeepers
I’ve got a Repulsor/Destabilizing Elsie’s Rifle, and it’s pretty much a legendary Graviton that also gives you an overshield. Got it on one of those Qua whatever machine guns too, and it’s a solid roll. If you can shoot a bow fast enough, it might be worth it.
I honestly like the potential of this bow. I love myself some bow gameplay! I would honestly get quickdraw and kill clip and combine that with spirit of gyrfalcon, infinite explosions!
No cause there is a cap on the draw time. If you can hit crits while hip firing, use archer's gambit, if you can get a kill on killing chain, then go warm up.
The draw time floor for lightweights is 500, not 540. They were buffed a long time ago, but many lightweights, including new ones, have had a visual bug on the stats that still show 540.
@@smalbeest destabilizing rounds has a 3 second cooldown so it’s also occasionally but he paired loose change with the archers gambit perk so I think he was just going for general increase in DPS. Dodge into a hip fire headshot will increase reload speed and draw time you don’t even need to kill anything. That’s obviously just my guess I’m not in the guys head haha
Destabilizing Rounds actually DID get a buff when Final Shape launched. There is now a small detonation on the initial weapon kill that’s similar in size to the Pale Heart weapon origin trait.
Ooooof i dropped this game but dang that bow is spicy. So many good perk combos. Thanks for the content cross, don’t even need to play the game when you show off all the cool stuff. Enjoy your bows fellas.
Love cross for first saying void bows are few and far between when there's already 2 other void lightweight bows and a void precision bow, and then comparing this lightweight to ALL precision frame bows 💀 love you cross
Cross, you should try Repulsor+Archers Gambit on a prismatic warlock build with devour and the fragment that allows void weapons to get volatile rounds with a grenade kill
Honestly i feel sorry for most of the new weapons being introduced seeing as the brave and raid weapons are just in a tier of their own for some weapon archtypes. Sure some of seasonal and ritual weapons have been absolute hits (lost signal, the call, abberant action) but damn the competition is crazy.
Been using repulsor and destabilizing and for normal content its amazing put about 800 kills with it in a few hours and its super fun makes u a lil tanky
I classify the content of this game to three category is normal activities. Second is grandmasters third is raid and dungeons. I'm only talking about PVP Content here so PVP is out of our topic, now when we are going to play the normal content like strike or seasonal activities I think you can play with any weapon and he you will do just fine, Second is grandmaster, which will be relying on the artifact and the surge third is raid and dungeons and this category usually you will focus on the boss damage by using weapons like rocket and fusion or snipers depend on the boss so I don't see where I can use a legendary bow in this game and also they are kinda boring to use to be honest,the only bow I am using lately is wish ender because it's very powerful bow and it's anti-barrier Other exotic bows like Lemonarc (sorry for wrong spelling) and trinity ghoul I am using them in GM only For ad clearing GL are way better or rocket side arm
Lephthopia, if you have the fully unlock in better in pvp for bow swapping (inpulse amplifier/disruption break) no randon rolls. my pve roll had 15000 kills on it (repulsar/golded tricorn), really good with camp mods. Going to change golded tricorn to high ground up the rework to it.
quick question: is there a cap on draw rate for bows ? I got the archer's tempo/archer's gambit roll & I'm not really seeing a perceivable difference between the draw with both proc'd & the draw with just successful warm up proc'd. Maybe a couple of frames ? Really doesn't seem worth it tbh.
The draw time displayed in-game is an arbitrary number. If it was actually in miliseconds, the amount of frames to fully draw an arrow (at base) would amount to 32.4 at 60 fps, since [FPS = frames / time], therefore [time × FPS = frames]. 0.54 × 60 = 32.4 frames. But the video proves this wrong since it is clearly 28 frames at 60 fps. So the actual draw time is [time = frames / FPS], 28/60 = 466.67 ms. If the goal is to compare the draw time in real values, evaluating it in miliseconds is better IMO, since it is framerate independent (should take equally long at any framerate).
Grinding? Hell no, I have no need for that. 3 runs of Bonfire Bash and I got GT/Repulsor, Hipfire Grib/Archer’s Gambit, Archer’s tempo/destabilising, repulsor/destabilising, enlightened action/kill clip and repulsor/kill clip. Easy work, but the weapon is mid overall imo. Gonna keep using my Tyranny of Heaven, 11k kills and going strong.
Can you take a closer look at fel taradiddle? Its craftable and can have archers tempo and succesfull warm up at the same time. It would be interesting to see if it could beat it or if it has a floor
Graviton doesn't need anything else! It's borderline OP as it is excluding the current fire rate bug. I think it'd still be top tier if they met in the middle on the regular and bugged fire rates.
Here’s my super hot take. ALL elemental damage perks SHOULD JUST BE INTRINSIC to their element ( i.e. head stone intrinsic to Stasis ) and no longer a perk on weapons. My only hang up comes in the way of Destabilizing Rounds vs ( imo what should have already been an option Volatile rounds AND Strands Hatchling and a reworked version of Slice ( with would act like the current Kill Clip perk i.e. gotta kill and Slice is activated and has a 5 second cool down). Also side note. Volt Shot could use a rework as well imo too. Got a Sightline Survey with Triple Tap and Volt shot but to activate Volt Shot I HAVE to reload after every singular kill to proc it. Thoughts anyone?
Successful warmup archers gambit with polymer string and a draw time masterwork and viest stinger procd is a 97ms draw time. Thats 0.097 seconds haha, id like to see this tested.
I hate how little that enhanced perks do, often times a barely noticeable change in some weapons performance and realistically the enhanced state should be the baseline for each perk nowadays and rework the Enhanced perks so they actually feel like they do something
Is loose change any good? I got a loose change and destabilizing rounds roll and have yet to try it out. Was hoping he would cover the perk here but he didn’t
can you talk about how insanely bad the exotic class item drop rate change is? I've been doing overthrows for 2 hours with not a single drop. I'm not playing this game until they fix the drop rates.
I wish I had the means to figure out how many frames the vow bow from Crimson days is. Not great peaks but just pretty sure it’s the fastest bow in the game.
I'd argue Lethophobia would be better as you could roll it with Slickdraw and the target acquisition hit doesn't matter as you're only using it for the shield break so free 100 handling. I paired it with Rat King and Gyrfalcons or Gravitons Forefeit to either also apply volatile (mostly in 6s) or have the longer stealth.
The bow is capped you cant lower it more then 540 even unless is timed perks, for example if you get a masterwork of draw time and the bow is already at 540 it won’t go lower.
Don't forget Air Trigger. It increases the reserves bumping it to 12 from 10. Paired with either BnS or Bipod I'm curious to see how it all compares. If the Air Trigger reload allows it to dump rockets at the same or similar DPS to Recon/Auto loading then it could beat them all out due to its total damage.
@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 I got the air trigger roll and the reload speed isn't the craziest, I still think something like envious or reconstruction is still better. I might be wrong though. What I do wonder is how many rockets can we shoot with reconstruction + envious
Recon Bait and it's not even close. The DPS loss over Apex is -16%, but the total damage increase is +10% thanks to the reserve buff of precisions and tracking to prevent whiffing against stuff like hive wizards. It's not just competitive, it's perfectly viable and *better* than Apex should you need strand damage, think about a Euphony rotation. Of course Bipod is a good total damage perk because it's 40% total damage while bait is +23% or so (bc of rockets proccing it), but you lose so much DPS with Bipod due to slow reconstruction reloads that it's just not worth it.
@@V_ii it’s not a combo right now that is any better then other bows. So you might as well use something else. Plus it’s a bow. They all do the same thing unless it’s the volt shot on. And at that point just start using the exotic ones. They are better then all legendary
Destabilizing rounds sucks. Having a cooldown on the Void weapon verb sucks. Imagine a cooldown on Voltshot or Incandescent. Void needs a buff weapon-wise. Actually overshields do too now that I think about it.
It doesn't suck. It's not better than volt or incandescent but I've been maiming destabilizing rounds since it came out and I have no issue clearing ads. It clears better than incandescent until ignition proc
The cooldown on incandescent is needing three kills to get the ignition. The cooldown on voltshot is reloading. The cooldown on destab is a flat cooldown. This is because incandescent is trash unless you ignite in anything other than -5 piss easy content clearable with white gear by anyone. Voltshot has a reload penalty to be its cooldown because of the potency of jolt. And Destab has a cooldown because it does 1.5x the damage of Incandescent PER TARGET, one destab rounds proc into a pack of 10 adds does 15 INCANDESCENTS WORTH OF DAMAGE. believe me, the cooldown is NEEDED.
Why is there a cooldown on destabalizing rounds when incandescent and voltshot dont? Its imo the weaker of the 3.
Your right it is the weaker of the 3 BECAUSE of the cooldown. Volatile is a very strong verb, people always forget how strong it used to be at launch after witch queen. Bungie probably just wanted to avoid it being as strong hence why they put the cooldown on the perk itself but imo it really should be removed as with it it’s just a useless perk.
IIRC the damage itself is pretty high on volatile explosions while Incandescent requires ignition procs to get to the same numbers.
You can see it really shine with Volatile Rounds it's explosion can also proc the enemies you marked with Destabilizing rounds. I do agree the cooldown should be reduced or removed but I can see why they didn't want it proccing all the time. Imagine if Incandescent could proc Ignition as frequently as you could with Ember of Ashes but it was built into the perk instead of needing a subclass fragment.
That's essentially what a no cooldown Destabilizing rounds could be like as it would be able to do the Volatile Rounds interaction but completely by itself.
Because Bungie hates fun, that's why
Because of hunters with Gyrfalcon Hauberk. It didn't use to have a cool down
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 BUT MAUH EXPLOSIONS, BUNGO IS STUPID ABD DUMB, DURR, I SOULD BE ANLE TO WIPE ENTIRE CONTINENTS IN ONE SHOT! (I know I misspelled stuff here, I’m leaving it in, it’s part of the joke) JK, this is a pretty good explanation. Yeah that would be completely broken. Enhanced Destab does reduce the cooldown. It is fine, I just would like a timer to give me a visual indicator of how long I gotta wait before killing something again. It can’t be that long anyway.
RIP Lethophobia, completely forgotten by cross
Imperial needle too
Yeaaa and I love that bow 😭
friendship with Lethophobia ended, Fortunate Star is new best friend.
And everyone else still playing destiny
that’s what i’m saying
I'm glad they're giving more weapons access to subclass verbs. I thought they'd never put voltshot on a bow but here we are. I really like using bows and I need more with verb access!
Heal Clip bow next
@@ThedeadMapleoak absolutely!
@ThedeadMapleoak if they could add heal clip to tyranny with incandescent I would be a very happy hunter
Heal clip + kill clip on a bow would be cash money
Also give us chain reaction too
If Destabilizing Rounds must have a cooldown, cut it in half to 1.5 seconds with the enhanced version of it. 2.5 seconds is just far too long, man. That one second would really make a difference.
Or, just make reloading after a kill give you volatile rounds for 5 seconds.
@@dougcarey2233 that'd be kinda busted, you could trigger that infinitely on the right weapon lol.
@@dougcarey2233 that would make it the strongest perk in the game by a miiiiile. On demand volatile rounds would not only powercreep the fragment MADE for volatile rounds, but also be so strong, there would be some builds you wouldn't even run the other subclass verbs based perks in favor of destabilizing rounds
@@lordgrub12345This. Destab is insane fundamentally because it's the only explosion perk in the game that does more damage the more enemies are nearby, one destab rounds proc is enough to wipe entire rooms in GMs. It's also why Voltshot needs a reload, it's to give it a cooldown.
The more I see talk about the perk, maybe it shouldn't have been made into one in the first place.
All bungie needs to do is to remove Destabilizing Rounds’ cooldown. Then it’s riiiight up there with Incandescent and Voltshot. Seriously, it’s that simple. Then this bow will become part of the true meta.
I never noticed the cooldown
It would be stupid strong if you did. Volatile explosions do a fair amount of damage only really comparable with Incandescent via Ignitions.
Imagine doing the Volatile rounds combo with Destabilizing where you kill an enemy which spreads volatile and also blows up itself which procs the enemies that got hit by Destabilizing rounds, but you don't need Volatile rounds to do it.
I agree it would be amazing but it would likely come at a loss of damage from Volatile explosions itself, which would hurt Volatile Rounds. That interaction would be too potent, and actually really was back when the volatile verb first came out.
I would love to see Destabilizing be as strong of a perk by itself like Incandescent but I don't think simply removing the cooldown is going to be the fix, at least not without Bungie some how also making it worse at the same time.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4They put dragonfly and incandescent on Tyranny of Heaven and nobody uses that even though it's stupidly OP. Removing the cool down from destabilizing would do nothing.
@@dougcarey2233no one complains about Voltshot when you need to reload after kill to proc it. Isn’t the reload alone a cool down essentially? I just see echo chambers
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4they can reduce the base cooldown by one second at the very least.
With as many that have dropped for me today (well over 75+), you don’t have a choice but to end up with whatever roll you are searching for. Bungie got the sliders to the MAX on this bow’s drop rate
What activity do these drop from
It’s the solstice bow, the EAZ activity
@@zakariyamasieh172
I'm getting everything but repulsor with destabilizing. Sucks.
@@zakariyamasieh172 solstice bonfire. You can find it in the tower with EVA
Susseful warm up + archers gambit gives you the fastest bow in existence,
if i remember my roll correctly but both perks make me shoot faster and its nearly instant knocking
What’s up brotha
Cross, we have lethophobia. Just last season. It's very good.
My thoughts exactly
Agreed. For me it's the only way you can achieve a lightweight strand bow. The only way I'm grinding hard for this is if it comes with dragonfly or like some meganeura level crazy perk...
perks on this blow letho out the water and letho was the bow that finally got me to like bows at all
The perks are definitely better on this new bow and I love my letho but having a different set of choices makes them more of like a use either or depending on what perks I want lol
Why's lethopobia so popular? Is it just for pvp bowswapping? Because I found the lack of draw time reducing and add clearing perks to be very off-putting
To save time, best rolls are destabilize rounds + repulsor brace, kill clip, archers tempo + maybe precision instrument.
Those are the only perks i could see someone using it for.
Always nice having another gun type with repulsar/destabilizing. Anything outside of master stuff that’s always a fun combo.
Managed to get a hip fire grip and archer gambit, and it so fast and precise arrows on hip fire that it made really fun, aint the more lethal ofc but still really fun.
Yeah that was first roll, fun in pvp
“If you got no thumbs, don’t use this perk”. I swear that applies to all my teammates in crucible 😭
I hunt for PI on every HC, and I'm absolute garbage with HCs😂
The bow is fun in PvE, but it lacks in PvP. Perks are there, but I feel like this archetype just doesn’t hit the same
You can make it work... But overall, I agree...
It’s good in a very specific hynra titan build
It can get archers tempo and golden trichorn… unfortunately I dismantled mine
Light weights unfortunately got hit with that Aim assist nerf due to precision frames, precision frames have that secret sauce that makes them feel a lot better
All roads lead back to le monarque for pvp lol
I dont want options cross, give me the 1 pve godroll you will use
The one thing I would like to see Happen In game, is dynamic scalers for perks, depending on weapon type.
The greatest example for this is the difference between kill clip and precision instrument.
Kill clip is flat out superior, BUT is PI had a dynamic scaler for bows, where you cut down the amount of hits for max dps from 6, to like 3, then it would technically be better for sustainability.
If I remember correctly, vorpal weapon does something similar between primaries/specials/power.
Repulsor Brace and Archers Gambit is funny with gyrfalcon
First thing I thought when I got mine.
I have a successful warmup with archers Gambit, it felt it had faster draw time that AT+AG
Hynra gonna go crazy with air trigger archers gambit fr
One of my least favorite people to run into when I'm chilling. Dude's verticality changes how maps play lol. Respect to him
I got a Repulsor/Destabilizing roll first drop! Not sure I need another on this bow. Maybe a kill clip.
Im gonna try that hip fire grip- gambit in pve, since heads are hard to hit (for me)
Throw on a hip fire mod and you'll be tearing thru low level content no problem.
Anyone else notice that Cabal use Instant Transmission at 17:38 or am I the only one? 🤣
I’ve still got an explosive payload/dragonfly subtle calamity (it has 40k+ kills on it so I didn’t delete when sunset). I’ve loved picking it up again.
First roll that dropped for me
*Repulsor Brace* + *Destabilizing*
😩👌 juiced
I feel like you got your bow frames mixed up there bro (maybe whoever wrote the script did?). Also you forgot to mention, the lightweight frame imperial needle, lethophobia, the precision frame subtle calamity (some people might have it?) and THE OG, LEVIATHAN'S BREATH.
Id argue this is just slightly better than lethophobia, mainly because of the origin traits. While the one on leth isn’t bad, these two on the new one are both much easier to activate, and have more of a benefit.
Was really hoping we'd get a bow with gutshot. Would love a hipfire based bow with that perk.
Would also love a bow with Box Breathing!
What about chain reaction?
Forgot about Tyranny of Heaven with Incandescent and Dragonfly lol
No kidding. That thing is basically a purple exotic.
Kinda harder to get though
You didn't watchthe whole video. he mentions the comparison at in minute 14
Air Trigger is such a good perc for 120 hand cannons…not for a bow. Missed opportunity to not put High Ground in its place😢
Fortunate Star is just void Laser Canary... Creativity at its finest.
Archer’s tempo and archers gambit with oathkeepers is NOT the fastest you can get this bow. You assumed it capped out because oathkeepers didn’t change the draw time. Oathkeepers literally doesn’t even buff draw time if you already reach 500 (or 540 on this bow cuz it’s bugged). Furthermore, both of its origin traits decrease its draw time even further, one from a 10% chance every time you hit an enemy being veist stinger, and the other being off of assists or assisted final bows through dream works. With all of these, I’m just gonna guess you can probably get it down to 8-9 frames, putting it at around that 154-173 draw time range. There is no cap, just diminishing returns
Since perks that make aoe-damage are so good i almost always use that on primary wepons
The 540 ms draw time it shows is the same bug as Lethophobia as they actually hit 500 ms draw time with max draw time of Elastic String or Polymer String with Draw time mw or oathkeepers
as a french i love and hate how cross says non denouement
as a non-french, i hate french
I’ve got a Repulsor/Destabilizing Elsie’s Rifle, and it’s pretty much a legendary Graviton that also gives you an overshield. Got it on one of those Qua whatever machine guns too, and it’s a solid roll. If you can shoot a bow fast enough, it might be worth it.
I got a Spare change, and Destabilizing rounds. Totally fine with it.
FINALLY YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND RELOAD SPEED IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DRAWTIME LOL. I'm a bow main in PVP and I've been saying this for a while lol.
That's why I am *pissed* that I didn't get my hands on a tempo rapid hit whistler's whim when it was out. I just couldn't drop it damnit!
I honestly like the potential of this bow. I love myself some bow gameplay! I would honestly get quickdraw and kill clip and combine that with spirit of gyrfalcon, infinite explosions!
I have dragonfly, voltshot on the raid bow so nothing can replace that lol
This bow is deadly as fuck with a fast af ttk with Archer Gambit and 500 ms draw time ♡
Aww i was hoping to see successful warmup+archers gambit
That first role I got was the one that your featured at 11 minutes 40 seconds. Will use it tomorrow and see if its any good
The warlock main makes this video
Dude is always on Warlock!
Huh my first roll on Fortunate star was the destabilising rounds plus that beacon one.
Is warm up + gambit? Better?
No cause there is a cap on the draw time. If you can hit crits while hip firing, use archer's gambit, if you can get a kill on killing chain, then go warm up.
@@yashugoyal1772there is not a cap. Cross is just wrong
The draw time floor for lightweights is 500, not 540. They were buffed a long time ago, but many lightweights, including new ones, have had a visual bug on the stats that still show 540.
Why don't you talk about Loose Change with destabilising rounds?
I think Because he recommended with gyrfalcun which would grant it volatile rounds anyways
@GODE-ot9pu why use exotic armor that can do it occasionally when the weapon itself can do it all the time? and there are more classes than hunter
@@smalbeest destabilizing rounds has a 3 second cooldown so it’s also occasionally but he paired loose change with the archers gambit perk so I think he was just going for general increase in DPS. Dodge into a hip fire headshot will increase reload speed and draw time you don’t even need to kill anything. That’s obviously just my guess I’m not in the guys head haha
That roll is so good and people sleep on it, it gives reload speed and aim assist, so makes hitting crits easy AF. People are just sheeple
Destabilizing Rounds actually DID get a buff when Final Shape launched. There is now a small detonation on the initial weapon kill that’s similar in size to the Pale Heart weapon origin trait.
Ooooof i dropped this game but dang that bow is spicy. So many good perk combos. Thanks for the content cross, don’t even need to play the game when you show off all the cool stuff. Enjoy your bows fellas.
Love cross for first saying void bows are few and far between when there's already 2 other void lightweight bows and a void precision bow, and then comparing this lightweight to ALL precision frame bows 💀 love you cross
Cross, you should try Repulsor+Archers Gambit on a prismatic warlock build with devour and the fragment that allows void weapons to get volatile rounds with a grenade kill
Honestly i feel sorry for most of the new weapons being introduced seeing as the brave and raid weapons are just in a tier of their own for some weapon archtypes. Sure some of seasonal and ritual weapons have been absolute hits (lost signal, the call, abberant action) but damn the competition is crazy.
Been using repulsor and destabilizing and for normal content its amazing put about 800 kills with it in a few hours and its super fun makes u a lil tanky
I classify the content of this game to three category is normal activities. Second is grandmasters third is raid and dungeons. I'm only talking about PVP Content here so PVP is out of our topic, now when we are going to play the normal content like strike or seasonal activities I think you can play with any weapon and he you will do just fine, Second is grandmaster, which will be relying on the artifact and the surge third is raid and dungeons and this category usually you will focus on the boss damage by using weapons like rocket and fusion or snipers depend on the boss so I don't see where I can use a legendary bow in this game and also they are kinda boring to use to be honest,the only bow I am using lately is wish ender because it's very powerful bow and it's anti-barrier
Other exotic bows like Lemonarc (sorry for wrong spelling) and trinity ghoul I am using them in GM only
For ad clearing GL are way better or rocket side arm
Lephthopia, if you have the fully unlock in better in pvp for bow swapping (inpulse amplifier/disruption break) no randon rolls. my pve roll had 15000 kills on it (repulsar/golded tricorn), really good with camp mods. Going to change golded tricorn to high ground up the rework to it.
Been getting quite a few Kill Clip perk along with Successful Warmup.
Idk ive been maining destabilizing rounds since they dropped it and it clears ads. Especially when paired with gyrfalcons
I got enlightened action/kill clip 1st run, I think I'll call it for the event.
Got the emblem and now it's on to the ship(pretty close) and then its sayonara to BB for this year!😎👌
I need that hip fire grip archers gambit roll in my life
quick question: is there a cap on draw rate for bows ? I got the archer's tempo/archer's gambit roll & I'm not really seeing a perceivable difference between the draw with both proc'd & the draw with just successful warm up proc'd. Maybe a couple of frames ? Really doesn't seem worth it tbh.
I’ve thrown away everyone I’ve got, as not sure if it’s worth anything , and low vault space. Maybe you can make a clean the vault vid
The draw time displayed in-game is an arbitrary number. If it was actually in miliseconds, the amount of frames to fully draw an arrow (at base) would amount to 32.4 at 60 fps, since [FPS = frames / time], therefore [time × FPS = frames]. 0.54 × 60 = 32.4 frames.
But the video proves this wrong since it is clearly 28 frames at 60 fps. So the actual draw time is [time = frames / FPS], 28/60 = 466.67 ms.
If the goal is to compare the draw time in real values, evaluating it in miliseconds is better IMO, since it is framerate independent (should take equally long at any framerate).
I got archer gambit. Hipfire grip. Can’t wait to use it in pvp.
Grinding? Hell no, I have no need for that. 3 runs of Bonfire Bash and I got GT/Repulsor, Hipfire Grib/Archer’s Gambit, Archer’s tempo/destabilising, repulsor/destabilising, enlightened action/kill clip and repulsor/kill clip. Easy work, but the weapon is mid overall imo. Gonna keep using my Tyranny of Heaven, 11k kills and going strong.
I like that D2 has big words
Can you take a closer look at fel taradiddle? Its craftable and can have archers tempo and succesfull warm up at the same time. It would be interesting to see if it could beat it or if it has a floor
Lephthopia?
No destab
@@Adprofundees I agree, it's just that at the start of the video Cross stated that the only two void bows are le monarque and under your skin
@@Adprofundees which by extension we also got the void heavy
imperial needle
elastic + fiberglass + tempo + kill clip + accuracy master = chef kiss
Need to gi e graviyon lance destabilizing or volitile rounds and that will put it on god tier
Graviton doesn't need anything else! It's borderline OP as it is excluding the current fire rate bug. I think it'd still be top tier if they met in the middle on the regular and bugged fire rates.
@@Mr_Ruhlthe fire rate bug is really bothering me right mid to be honest
Here’s my super hot take. ALL elemental damage perks SHOULD JUST BE INTRINSIC to their element ( i.e. head stone intrinsic to Stasis ) and no longer a perk on weapons. My only hang up comes in the way of Destabilizing Rounds vs ( imo what should have already been an option Volatile rounds AND Strands Hatchling and a reworked version of Slice ( with would act like the current Kill Clip perk i.e. gotta kill and Slice is activated and has a 5 second cool down). Also side note. Volt Shot could use a rework as well imo too. Got a Sightline Survey with Triple Tap and Volt shot but to activate Volt Shot I HAVE to reload after every singular kill to proc it. Thoughts anyone?
Now that I think about it, I would've preferred Dragonfly in that 3rd column.
I just want whatever roll lets me shoot arrows at the fastest rate.
You forgot about Subtle Calamity
well did you msg him? the text bugged out. he needs to know!
Successful warmup archers gambit with polymer string and a draw time masterwork and viest stinger procd is a 97ms draw time. Thats 0.097 seconds haha, id like to see this tested.
“Do the math guys” he exclaims to an audience of Destiny players
I hate how little that enhanced perks do, often times a barely noticeable change in some weapons performance and realistically the enhanced state should be the baseline for each perk nowadays and rework the Enhanced perks so they actually feel like they do something
As a professional bow user in Destiny who has over 40k bow kills total, no it's not that good , works well with void builds but that's about it ..
We need another kinetic bow! Maybe one that does tremors on every hit 😁!
Is loose change any good? I got a loose change and destabilizing rounds roll and have yet to try it out. Was hoping he would cover the perk here but he didn’t
Reminder to harass bungie until they fix the now broken exotic class item drop rate
The cap is still at about 85/87 reload for bows. And considering Compact Arrow Shaft with a Loader or two will max it out
can you talk about how insanely bad the exotic class item drop rate change is? I've been doing overthrows for 2 hours with not a single drop. I'm not playing this game until they fix the drop rates.
I wish I had the means to figure out how many frames the vow bow from Crimson days is. Not great peaks but just pretty sure it’s the fastest bow in the game.
Hmm, disruption break.... interesting.
Disruption break in PvP, then switching to crimils dagger with explosive rounds - - 2 tap everytime it’s absolutely god mode
I'd argue Lethophobia would be better as you could roll it with Slickdraw and the target acquisition hit doesn't matter as you're only using it for the shield break so free 100 handling. I paired it with Rat King and Gyrfalcons or Gravitons Forefeit to either also apply volatile (mostly in 6s) or have the longer stealth.
Archers tempo/precision instrument in pvp is actually good
I got the destabilising repulser, very cool
The bow is capped you cant lower it more then 540 even unless is timed perks, for example if you get a masterwork of draw time and the bow is already at 540 it won’t go lower.
Eagerly awaiting to see which Crowning Duologue roll does more DPS, Reconstruction/Bait And Switch, or Reconstruction/Bipod.
Don't forget Air Trigger. It increases the reserves bumping it to 12 from 10. Paired with either BnS or Bipod I'm curious to see how it all compares. If the Air Trigger reload allows it to dump rockets at the same or similar DPS to Recon/Auto loading then it could beat them all out due to its total damage.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Yep. Air Trigger is basically Jumping Field Prep.
@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 I got the air trigger roll and the reload speed isn't the craziest, I still think something like envious or reconstruction is still better. I might be wrong though. What I do wonder is how many rockets can we shoot with reconstruction + envious
Recon Bait and it's not even close. The DPS loss over Apex is -16%, but the total damage increase is +10% thanks to the reserve buff of precisions and tracking to prevent whiffing against stuff like hive wizards. It's not just competitive, it's perfectly viable and *better* than Apex should you need strand damage, think about a Euphony rotation.
Of course Bipod is a good total damage perk because it's 40% total damage while bait is +23% or so (bc of rockets proccing it), but you lose so much DPS with Bipod due to slow reconstruction reloads that it's just not worth it.
Does precision instrument also get buffed when using with Hunters Oathkeeper arms?
How do you enhance it? I haven't had a redborder drop once
When did they put a cool down on destabilizing rounds. Makes me not want anything to do with this perk now
Destabilizing needs a radius buff for sure
Hipfire grip and archers gambit is the role i want for funny speeeeeeeeed bow xD
Lethophobia is a craftable version of this.
I don't know why people keep saying that when Lethophobia doesn't have Destabilizing rounds. It has Explosive head.
@@V_iiExplosive Head >>>>>> Destabilizing Rounds
@@V_ii it’s not a combo right now that is any better then other bows. So you might as well use something else. Plus it’s a bow. They all do the same thing unless it’s the volt shot on. And at that point just start using the exotic ones. They are better then all legendary
First roll I got was archers gambit/archers tempo/elastic bowstring/compact arrow shaft/reload mw 😂
Destabilizing rounds sucks. Having a cooldown on the Void weapon verb sucks. Imagine a cooldown on Voltshot or Incandescent. Void needs a buff weapon-wise.
Actually overshields do too now that I think about it.
It doesn't suck. It's not better than volt or incandescent but I've been maiming destabilizing rounds since it came out and I have no issue clearing ads. It clears better than incandescent until ignition proc
Voltshot does have a cool down technically. You need to reload after a kill, is that not a cool down on its own?
The cooldown on incandescent is needing three kills to get the ignition.
The cooldown on voltshot is reloading.
The cooldown on destab is a flat cooldown.
This is because incandescent is trash unless you ignite in anything other than -5 piss easy content clearable with white gear by anyone. Voltshot has a reload penalty to be its cooldown because of the potency of jolt. And Destab has a cooldown because it does 1.5x the damage of Incandescent PER TARGET, one destab rounds proc into a pack of 10 adds does 15 INCANDESCENTS WORTH OF DAMAGE. believe me, the cooldown is NEEDED.
Still collecting repulsor/destab rolls for when it hopefully gets buffed lol