Ye, I would like to see more clinching too! We still haven't seen a really strong muay thai clinch game in MMA and I think it would be really effective. I think superlek does a really good job of striking before the clinch and grabbing at the arms etc but I think there would be better style clashes with more extended grappling. Thanks for commenting
@@prostriking Really ??? the entire Chute Box team was famous for their clinch game during Pride strikeforce and Ufc up to like the 120 -160 ish era. Anderson silva literally won the belt and defended it twice via Clinch masterclasses .
I don't mind the 4 ounce gloves and even the limited clinching. But I absolutely hate it when the refs don't allow fighters to download information and force them to brawl. Also, I don't like how fighters who fight on the backfoot are less favoured in terms of scoring. Due to this technical back foot fighters like Nong-O had to completely change their style to an aggressive front foot style.
They just want immediate KOs. Thats why Friday Night Fights is just a festival of sloppy aggressive brawling labeled "muay thai" just because it has elbows
I think things like agression should only count if the match didn't involve many strikes. If you're moving back and outstrike the opponent or drop them... it shouldn't matter.
No not ruined. I am Thai and believe me most of Thai people very like 4oz gloves this is close to how the beginning of MT use that was in real war and completely bare hand and then change to ropes and then follow Boxing gloves.
That's interesting to hear. I'm an American MMA fan and I love ONE's muay thai with 4 Oz gloves. I've watched nearly every one of their Friday Fight cards for the past few months.
Honestly, I feel like they’ve made it a little more mainstream. The 4oz gloves and the platform itself that is ONE Championship made it a little more popular for the casual audience, to be honest. ONE is like the asian version of UFC but with multiple disciplines being showcased.
@@AnnaKuznetzova88 Yeah but how long was K1 popular? Years ago. Decades ago. Some people weren’t even old enough to have known that era. ONE brought back the interest of Muay Thai and Kickboxing to a lot of people. Glory Kickboxing did it too but their product isn’t even half as good as ONE when it comes to marketing.
They have brought more eyes to that part of the country, I love what there doing, I've turned my MMA friends on to Friday night fights, they don't miss a fight
They butchered up the muay thai ruleset. They ruined kickboxing by bringing in top talents and either don't give them the fights they deserve, or straight up don't give them any fights at all. Also fuck the short clinch deletion from kickboxing
One championship is on Amazon prime as well. Though I'm not sure how much that audience has caught on, there is still a disconnect with the athletes as to not knowing their fight history. I've entirely switched over to one championship and more towards kickboing, over the Ufc and mma. Ufc is getting stale and boring with all the same fighter keep fighting each other. The world has changed a lot over the last few years as war rages on.
Personally, I like it. I was an MMA fan that came to ONE to watch DJ. But the ONE Muay Thai captured me. Ita now my preference to watch. Ive tried watching more traditional Muay Thai because of ONE but my preference is still ONE. Sure, the Friday Fights tend to get a bit scrappy, but i still think the best technical fighters prevail.
As a Muay Thai practitioner myself, I have to admit ONE fights are just more entertaining than traditional Muay Thai fights. Yes I wish there was more clinching allowed, yes the traditional sport is beautiful in its own way… but to make Muay Thai successful in the west (or just to more casuals in general) the 4 oz glove is the best idea anyone has had.
Only thing I don't like is the limited clinching, because as much as it tries to focus on "Muay Thai", it rarely accommodates different Thai styles (Muay Khao, Femur, Tae & Sok). Muay Mat practitioners fit in perfectly.
@@derrickrobinson7269 generally, the different styles refer to specializations or preferences of the fighter but to generalize some popular ones: Muay Mat: aggressive, forward-moving, very boxing & power-low-kick heavy. They tend to be good in-fighters, and keep their opponents on the back foot Muay Khao: clinch-heavy style that specializes in knees, often stifling the opponent’s attacks & controlling their balance. Muay Tae: kicking specialists. They tend to snipe, or smash, with kicks from the outside. They often have versatile teeps, great lateral movement, and powerful kicks Muay Sok: elbow-heavy style that relies on timing and distance-management on the outside, and very active clinching on the inside to smash & cut their opponents with elbows. Muay Femur: a technical style that heavily utilizes feints and setups. They tend to snipe at their opens from range, then change up tactics to exploit openings
@@JaredClaunch That's so cool, I like how Muay seems to have it's own version of every striking style (Karate, TKD, Kickboxing, etc). I'm really drawn to the descriptions for Mat, Tae, and Femur so I'll look further into those styles for my own striking. I'm primarily a NoGi Grappler (Style Inspired by the Ruotolos) but would definitely like to add striking into my arsenal as well since I'm built like the Ruotolos with long limbs
@@derrickrobinson7269 always happy to nerd out about the best sport in the world! Here’s some fighters for those three styles who have a lot of highlights & fights on UA-cam: Mat: Rodtang Tae: Tawanchai Femur: Saenchai
I consider ONE Muay Thai "Striking". Not exactly Kickboxing, not exactly Muay Thai, but not different enough from either to be a super far removed. My preferred type of striking sport to watch because I enjoy a boxing heavy game, but I am a little dissapointed at the lack of clinch work
@@AnnaKuznetzova88 I also enjoy watching Glory, but frankly, there's just not many fighters in Glory I'm particularly drawn to, so I don't find myself tuning in too often.
the clinching , the rhythm , the feeling of the game.. all gone for "ko percentage" . Chatri knows westerners want blood and guts , so he changed muay thai so one could conquer western audience..
you say western audiences but very few people watches muay thai in asia too, One is making muay thai more popular all over the world. if they want to see traditional muay thai they can go watch it, its been around forever yet no one watches it, even in asia.
@@DefZen343 I live in Th and regular events are packed with fighters worldwide, funny enough , Chinese are sending their fighters to practice in gyms and later fight in events like kunlun fight and similar.. Japanese also. Muay Thai is visible to you as much as media allows you to be. I live in Thailand and for me this is a normal sport.
@@lovelife1867 Yeah ofcourse you are in Thailand and people specifically interested in Thai fighting will go there. the rest of the world doesnt know much about Muay thai and rarely watch it.
@@DefZen343 because they suck. There are bunch of Eu countries that still do shotokan point karate or taekwondo. America sticks to what they know and are afraid to venture into best standup in existence. What you can't see is how BIG Asia is. Do you know how good Iranian fighters now are ? British have great stock too .. Muay Thai with normal gloves is a poetry in motion , not just banging and 4oz gloves nullify that art. The rest of the world will only know 4oz cause they need easy fun on friday night on beers and snacks.
Growing up in Southeast Asia and getting into Muay Thai (Thai boxing as we used to call it) in the late 70s through early 80s before moving to the US, I had the chance to see the golden era of MT and part of me love the ritualistic and artistic aspect of MT. Still, deep down, we all know that for MT to grow globally, it has to evolve, and as people from all over the world started to train in MT, the innovative contribution is bound to happen. No difference in how languages continue to evolve and grow. And it is a good thing.
I think its great for muay thai, more global eyes on an under appreciated sport and its given an absolute pinnacle for aspiring muay thai fighters to aim for. I know its not "traditional" but all sports have to evolve before they become massive
@dainsismey4900 ye for sure, i can appreciate this! I enjoy both styles of fighting and it's great to see older legends get a pay day that have put in years If graft in muay thai for next to nothing! Thanks for for commenting, appreciate you! 🙏
ONE isnt evolution. It's reverting back to an archaic and less developed form of muay thai. Only good thing it did is small gloves. Bit the rulesets, nope, absolutely not
@@user-pd9ju5dk5straditional muay thai is boring and the judging is not based on how much you hit and inflict damage to an opponent but how much you endure punishment and look unfazed which is kind a silly
Me personally I view ONE in the lens of ‘it’s not killing Muay Thai, but is it REALLY Muay Thai?’ I’m glad to see the refs become more permissive of the clinch though.
I agree completely with all your points. I think a lot about this actaully so I was excited to see a video about this particular niche. The other thing that concerns me is not so much the evolution of what goes on in the ring if it were limited to that. My bigger concern is the evolution of training in this sport. Many of the champions in ONE have a traditionalist training background that is highly focused on fundamentals and proper technique (pretty muay thai) When they fight in ONE it's just at a much higher pace and more aggressive but almost all the fighters are still highly skilled and have great technique. However I think as time goes on the training and coaching may become more lackluster as damage and aggression will be the priority and it will end up looking more like Muay Thai in the USA where to put it simply from a reddit comment I saw a while back: "Muay Thai in the US is a ruleset and not a style" and we'll just end up getting brawls and not proper fights.
one focuses on making as much money as they can but in the process they are ruining muay thai. i will be honest, there are things in traditional muay thai that i'm not a fan of, like the two first rounds and end of 5th being slow and scoring how balanced and beautiful the techniques are instead of who is actually beating the other guy up but what one has done, with the clinch basically being non-existent and the refs forcing action at all times is just criminal and has turned most of the muay thai fights into bar brawls.
@@tommygunnggg1127 if turning muay thai into just two dudes brawling makes it popular then it is a bad thing, at least if you love muay thai. with proper promotion and money behind it and some changes to some rules, legit muay thai can be way more popular than what one has to show.
@@JCOdrjones Because Muay Thaï is so, so vast and contains so many greats who have done it. And it's only recently that the sport has gained a serious media coverage around the world. To cut a long story short, Rodtang is getting the biggest media treatment due to his fun highlights republished millions of times on Tiktok. Is he a good fighter? Absolutely, he is a savage. But talking about being close to the best ? Not Top 50. Not even Top 5 in this generation.
@@samart333 Ah. So it's one of *those* situations. The new big pushed face of "a thing" being called a GOAT by what are mostly newbies into "the thing" Like damn, always annoying when something like this happens to something you are deeply into, and you find way too many people giving too many roses to one undeserving of the fields of flowers picked for them.
I agree with you, there are another names which most of western Muay Thai fans never heard about but they are basically legends of Muay Thai gaining very little recognition by west. (e.g. Langsuan, Pudpadnoi, Sagat, Karuhat, Dieselnoi, Samart, Apidej etc.. list goes on and on)
The english referee at One Championship - I think his name is Ricky Sewell - is very good and really seems to understand Muay Thai; letting the clinch go on and not constantly calling for ‘action’
I don't think it destroys the traditional Muay Thai, like you said at the end of the video it brings more eyes to both ONE and the RWS. Although the "really elite" femur are rare in ONE, and those tends to be the champions. Being good in both Femur AND good with hands in 4oz gloves is essentially what is gonna get you into the big league. While those who only walks forward and swinging, even though they get a lot of KOs, they often lack defence in the exchange and are prone to being KO'd themselves. We see many instances of a comeback. Rodtang, Haggerty and Superlek, these are my top 3 as they can be on the back foot and countering, or walks forward while being defensively sound. Superlek vs Tagir I still rewatch many times to this days because of Superlek's elbows. The pulling down the guard for opening for the elbows, pushing the guards on Tagir to bounce him off the ropes and chuck the elbows. To me it did not look like a fight, but rather a murder attempt by Superlek. The way he leans forward to put every single ounce behind the chucking elbow is just brutal. I'd love it if you do a video on Superlek vs Tagir and the effectiveness of elbows in negating punches.
Thanks for commenting! I agree with a lot of what you've said there. Superlek vs tagir sounds like a good idea for a video and an interesting topic how elbows can negate another fighters boxing. I'll have to give that fight a rewatch! Thanks again for the comment, appreciate it!
I started seeing alot of Stadium Muay Thai. Previously i watched alot of UFC, but got bored with it. Always was fascinated with Muay Thai. I think ONE led me to RWS, which led me to Stadium Fights. I have started to like 5 rounds over RWS 3 rounds. But they still have many good fighters to watch.
MT in ONE fc 1. No traditional dance/Wai Kru before the fight 2. Not wearing Mongkol on the head. 3. Wearing small gloves oz 4. It only have 3 rounds (most regular MT fights have 5 rounds) 5. Not much clinch.
1. The championship fights have the Wai Kru. i’ve watched it live & in Person. 2. The Mongkol is work when doing the Wai Kru 5. The Championship fights have 5 rounds Seems like your getting confused with the One Friday Fights
You could technically say One FC adds the elements of Kard Chuek, where the only two outcomes are knockout or draw. It also uses ropes instead of 12oz gloves, which is more similar to 4oz gloves. Also noticed that the Thai crowd at One shows in Lumpinee were younger than ones in Rajadamnern. It's possible that the One style of Muay Thai appeals to a younger Thai audience, not just international audiences.
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The video did not mention "Thai Fight" events with traditional hand wrapping, three rounds... Rules can always be modified and changed to improve a sport for competitors & and spectators. 5-Rounds is not just for the purists and traditionalists. 👊😊
as thai who train couple days a week. i love one's rule it force the fight to be more realistic after all MT suppose to be martial art that can be use in irl, but it need couple of adjustment, first is don't make ref force the action it will be more realistic because if you were to get caught in street fight you would fight at your own pace and only your opps can change that by being aggresive, next one is longer clinch time, it give more time for fighter to show skill in the clinch, last point is score base on damage not matter back foot or front foot if you give you opps damage you are wining. i think that this is a evolution MT going through it will force triditional muay thai with no boxing defence, no headmovement to improve and will make muay thai wayyy better in self defence overall because fighter force to be will rounded not only kick and pull back or hide behind big glove when punch come.
The clinch and the Ram Muay are what makes Muay Thai truly distinctive from other styles. Imo anything that reduces the clinch work during the fight is a big step in the wrong direction. MT is very much a cultural activity and the Ram Muay is an important part of that. I understand maybe not televising it, maybe, but I dont think you should expect Thais to fight without it being performed. For judging I also think the traditional perspective about things like balance and ring control is a superior, more sophisticated way to evaluate the fight. Factors like the gloves and the cage are much less important imo.
great vid which makes a great observation. I was wondering about this the last few days. ONE FC fights are fast paced with a high KO ratio. but it's started to look more like kickboxing at times. I used to get bored when fights were clinch heavy (muay khao) but now I understand that aspect better, I've come to appreciate it more and appreciate the slow build up more. fighters really test each other out to determine a strategy and tactics. you can see more of the subtleties and thinking behind certain moves. I'll still watch ONE FC definitely (Glory has lost its appeal) but I've found I'm looking more and more for the more traditional fights in Thailand. like the fight between Rodtang and Kaonah. Kaonah won that one by shutting down Rodtang with his patient muay femur style and it was great to watch.
The smaller gloves are a disaster for fighter's health. At least let them clinch until someone breaks free, not after 2 seconds. Or 5 rounds so they don't sprint so hard n have to be more technical. I am against it overall. Ur forced to take so much damage and if u try to avoid it by clinching u get punished.
Ye I think the long term reprocussions won't be seen for a few years but it could be bad. I feel like the rules encourage targeting the head a lot more where as in traditional muay thai the targets are more spread because body kicks and knees are highly rewarded. I think fighters careers will be drastically shortened having a lot of fights in ONE but if they can make 10-20x more money then it's probably worth it for them
I believe that too. More money makes it okayish. BUT if the thais don't evolve and adapt to these new rules, they r gonna go back to their countries making even less after they get wrecked in one by the 4oz. Just like it happened with many of them, brutal kos. Then they lose that status and respect of "being the best" with their national titles as in a few years they won't mean much. If they adapt n improve their boxing they can reclaim their thrones
Smaller gloves cause more superficial damage: cuts, bruises etc and the risk of eye pokes which suck. But bigger gloves are worse for a fighter's health. They dont cut the fighters as bad, but they carry more weight and momentum with the bigger gloves, causing more unseen brain damage
@@yeetusdeletus9i disagree. Both are harmful but smaller gloves do more damage to the brain as well ,not only superficially. Imagine if boxing was 4oz gloves 12 rounds. All boxers would be done within 3 years in their career
If you've watched traditional live Muay Thai you'll know it's slow paced to begin with, and then sometimes absolutely nothing happens in round 5 (fighters just stand there bouncing about or don't fight properly on round 5). One Muay Thai eliminates the messing around making it way more exciting. I've been to Muay Thai Fridays at New Lumphini and the main cards on Saturday at 8 a.m and they are packed out every time. The Thais love the events
Muay Thai, should be free to use all 8 limbs, to show the real performance and the arts of MuayThai. We use to have the clinch master, like DieselNoi LuangSuan and PanomTuanLek. Now these clinch masters cannot utilized all technique with the new rule and these technique will be extincted. At least 3-4 knees should be allowed.
I’ve come to love traditional Muay Thai way more than One. Don’t get me wrong, I’m watching the shit out of haggerty and Harrison tomorrow night but I look forward more to RWS and Petchyindee and my rewatches of AMT lol. Just feels way better and showcases the fascinating culture
The traditional format has been around for so long and never gained mainstream recognition. The slow start of rounds 1-2, the 2 min breaks in-between rounds, the slow round 5 because of gambling and the fighter whose losing on points not wanting to engage. Unfortunately the traditional has never broken through, now ONE is making Muay Thai mainstream and people are complaining? About the fighters getting more money? More people watching it? They are the 2 most important things
I started watching UFC way back on VHS when it was still in the single digits... when DJ went over to ONE I started to watch and that's where I was introduced to their version of Muay Thai. I never really considered Ones version traditional Muay Thai, tho I felt they did a good job at keeping a homage to traditional Muay Thai, while streamlining and adapting Muay Thai to a more global market. without ONE I never would have started watching Muay Thai or kicking boxing as much as I do now.
Wouldn’t this make One Mauy Thai just Kickboxing with 4 oz gloves? I thought what made mauy thai unique was the clinch work and how little the early rounds and punches weigh on the scorecard. Please someone correct me or help me understand, I’m struggling to understand what makes this Mauy Thai and not kickboxing.
They watered it down stripped all the culture of it & made it "western friendly" so that it will be more well recived among mma fans riding off the popularity of the ufc the only thing I enjoy is the fact that they get paid more & have smaller gloves because it emulates a real fight better but one & the west miss out on some of the greatest Thai fighters of today, imagine telling a prime floyd mayweather to do 3 rounds only with mma gloves it would kill his whole style he might not even want to participate everything like smaller rounds & no clinching kills the whole point of Thai boxing its just a 9 minute hardcore kickboxing match with heavy elbows & a few knees / trips snuck in their actual skilled fighters will be replace with a bunch of wild big dumb roided out sluggers Muay Mut fighters are pretty much going to run the show & all the other Thai styles will be deemed irrelevant if nothing changes I'd rather they just learn some grappling join the ufc & fight full on mma than to see them limit their skills so much I enjoy it but they are leaving alot on the table
I don't generally watch ONE championship fights because I'm not interested in the "stand and bang" style. I love Golden Era Muay Thai where artistry, deception and beauty are displayed. That's my style.
@Thebestplacetobe619 basically "stand and bang" means you stand and take a hit to deliver a hit. Kind of like a "You hit me, I hit you, until one drops" It's detrimental to the fighter's health and it does not develop or grow the style. Golden age Muay Thai was VERY different. They are called Muay Femur. They follow the "hit but don't get hit" style. It's a lot more skillful, technical and it's very artistic. Saenchai, Lerdsila, Samart, Somrak etc are all Muay Femur fighters. They use a lot of timing, deception, guile, faints and agility. Not just power for power. To hit and not get hit in return is the ultimate goal, the ultimate style. Not what's being shown in ONE championship now.
@@muay0437 essentially they realised that Muay thai was the way to make money in SE Asia Look at their MMA champs When have they fought? March 1st for 3 champs Fuck, the welterweight and lightweight champ hasn't fought since 2022 Dj just retired so the bantamweight champ is vacant Antony is a 3 divisional champ which means he's holding up 3 divisions simultaneously Also the athletes can't leave either because of contractual obligations and stipulations You saw that Mikey was stripped of his title too Absolute fucking bullshit everywhere except in Muay thai Heck even in kickboxing, allazov hasn't fought for a year ONE is doomed unless they do something fast
@@AS-bc8fgAt this point I'd rather ONE just focus on their version of muay thai. They have some good MMA fighters I'd like to see in the UFC and other organizations where they'd actually fight.
ONE turns into the brawling game. We see less technical muaythai in ONE. If you want to see techniques and technical MT, I recommend the RWS events. MT is built to use techniques as Asian built is smaller so taking the time using the closer range weapons could reduce the harm from the bigger puncher.
Haha RWS is just a corrupt as One Championship and the ranking, scoring and matchmaking in RWS is absolute garbage. I am starting to write and tell people if you want to watch Thy Top 110 Pound For Pound Yod/Nak Muays In The History Of Muay Thai Fight in a Grandmaster Technical Fight were Gods to Titan Warrior Men compete, then watch The Silver To Golden Era Muay Thai. This current Era of "Muay Thai" is absolute garbage/amateur compared to the Silver to Golden Era of Muay Thai.
My only gripe is how little they let them clinch. If its muay thai rules, let them clinch abit longer as that is a big part of some thai fighters style. If it's a kickboxing match, then sure, shorten up the clinch length but still give me more leeway to clinch.
The gloves are most definitely fun, but they need to let the clinch go more. Also the fight being scored as a whole is much better... you go to stadiums in Thailand and watch two people shuffle and taunt for the entire 5th round... or one fighter just stop punishing someone with a minute left in the 4th because the fight is considered over and both sets of coaches start shouting "PAW PAW"... it's very tedious as a spectator.
Punches is less score in One. You can see when Thai vs foreigner ends with scoring (no knock down) and foreigner with only punch rarely win and there will be a comment like robbery. It happens every single week on One’s instagram. Punch only win Thai by KO
@@prostriking Yes but consider that judges are likely to have a fondness for tradition and so bring bias into their scoring. In the UFC this happens with some judges scoring grappling control and oither scoring damage despite the rules clearly stating that they should only score damage with grappling control only being relevant when damage is equal. Every card at least one judge ignores this and scores control over damage so the same is likely for One FC imo. Humans are very biased creatures by our nature.
Very insightful video, thank you. Now I finally understand why so many Thai Fighters are getting knock out during One Friday Fight Nights by non Thais, and it’s always the same “formula” where they rely a lot of body kicks but eventually getting KO by pressured boxing. Not to mention why they seem to prefer a back foot/counter attack style instead of just going forward like their opponents. I guess that’s an adjustment that’s harder for Thais especially since they are so used to the traditional Muay Thai rules and have been doing that for so long, hence having to readjust something that’s like muscle memory to them needs alot more time.
Everything evolves and at the end of the day, it is up to the people what they want to buy into and support. I support One because of many reasons you mentioned here.... but I train my fighters to be patient and invite the flurries of forward pressure. Effective striking is more important than aggression, even in One.
I think One has made muay thai more popular and actually makes its athletes more recognized and respected from a bigger worldwide audience and better pay for the athletes.
I'd agree with that. I've watched nearly every single Friday Fight card for the past few months after watching strictly boxing and MMA for most of my life.
The smaller gloves are a nice touch. I just don't like how they brawl all the time. Let them settle in and more clinch. The aggressive part is insane especially if the fighter is a counter fighter. Most of the time, they lose when clearly they won the fight
When I fought again this year in Thailand I explained to an One representative that in my contry (Romania) trhe premium sports channel(pro arena) is showing One Fc instead of Ufc. One Muat Thai is different from the original muay thai(no better, or worse, just different), but is a great promoter of muay thai worldwide, even in my country where muay thai is not very well known
One has been using a traditional ring much more often recently. Mostly because a lot of events are being held in Lumpinee Stadium. And they usually play the traditional music and wai kru for the main event, so it's still there although not for every flight
For me, ONE was a gate to muay Thai. I only watched boxing but Haggerty vs Rodtang 1 was the first muay Thai fight I saw and now I tune to ONE at least every two weeks.
That's Jamal Yusupov! He beat some good fighters on ONE like Sammy Sana and Yodsanklai but lost to tawanchai by leg kick stoppage and hadn't fought in one since. Think he is still fighting on a Russian promotion though
I think spot on, It may be different, but it brings eyes, that could end up falling in love with the more technical side as well. Why can't we have both?
I am probably biased, I only consistently started watching muay thai on a weekly basis after seeing it in ONE, that said, I LOVED IT and started watching old fights classic matches and basically watching any muay thai I could get my hands on. My opinion it that stadium is more tactical and some might say more technical, but there are often significant luls in combat, first rounds where neither fighter engages significantly due to historical betting stage closing after round one, as mentioned in the video.. the is a lot of Backfoot fighting that involves keeping a more aggressive fighter at bay with teens and movement and right cutoff/ controls is key ONE 4 OZ gloves and ruleset is geared to excitement and entertainment, not the technical beauty of the sport as an art form, and it achieves the goal fairly effectively, and when it it paired with the octagon the lack of corners in the ring balances that ruleset well still allowing for some evasion and distance control fighting ( as opposed to traditional square ring) I don't think that this newer ruleset has fully matured i have been watching the META advance in real-time as the fighters explore adjust to it and I think it may be very interesting to see how it evelves.. and what small tweaks will have to be done to the rules in the future as it reaches maturity The only thing that I actually see as Potentially detrimental is the long term effects on fighters career longevity, between the broken bones and higher amount of KO finishes i am not sure fighting in this second style will be as sustainable as stadium champs who fight deep into their careers and still appear sharp, intelligible and functional. Not punch drunk like some of the ufc legends are. Guys like Rodtang will kind of bee our road map for tjis, but sadly by the time this becomes clear an entire generation of much younger fighters will have come up training in and prepping with/ for 4 OZ gloves and that might be a very sad story Entertainment wise.. its spectacular that is for sure has MMA beat by a country mile for excitement.
The 4 oz gloves imo are great for Muay Thai because it makes clinching more effective and opens up better possibilities while also bringing Muay Thai closer to real life self defense application where you don't have the surface area of boxing gloves to hide behind. Though I do agree with some other comments about taking issue with the aggression rules like forcing action and favoring forward fighting opponents which punishes patient or counter based styles
I personally love it! I find ONE fights to easily be some of the most entertaining fights I’ve ever seen. I wish there was more clinch but I like that boxing is just as rewarding as kicking under the ONE format. They can actually be damaging, whereas with the traditional gloves it seems that every other striking method is more effective than boxing.
Does one egomaniac “Chatri bonus” go for beautiful Muay Thai? No! It’s for brawling and blood. The dude is single handedly destroying MT. Fighters are getting rich but the art is long gone.
@@strangeman9362 You mean the old Sam-A and Nong-O, guys waaay beyond their prime? The late 30s guys fighting in a sport when they typically retire by late 20s?
I think all styles gain if they are willing to test in a less than deadly venue. Kinda strips away things and adds to make the style closer for combative and defensive use for a variety of peoples body structures and skills.
I love ONE Muay Thai. I do wish they’d let them work the clinch more tho. Sometimes in clinching you really wanna work to a good position before you start letting off knees and elbows
I like both, I watch many shows from Sor Sommai, Petchyndee, Pathong, Petbuncha, RWS (which I love the most) and ONE. I think we have to learn and enjoy the sport as it is and undestrand that crowd outside Thailand, maybe is not used to the Thai way.
one muay thai is mostly just brawls. that's fine for a while but i wanna see actual kickboxing matches sometimes. even rodtang vs superlek was a sloppy scrap
Almost forgot to ask bro would you be able to do a video on Lakhin Wassandasit? He’s a golden age legend lots of his fights on UA-cam he’s a really interesting Thai puncher very menacing if you have the chance look up how fights with Samson Issan the best Muay Thai trilogy in my opinion
It's not Muay Thai, it's misusing the name of the sport to push their product. When I trained in Thailand (haven't been there since 2019), every Thai coach and Thai fighter I talked to viewed promotions like MX Muay Xtreme, Muay Hardcore, and now ONE, as fighting shows that were explicitly not Muay Thai, and made to entertain tourists. I'm not surprised that all of these would-be (or actual) tourists prefer the slop ONE feeds them to the actual sport. They don't care about the actual sport and have no understanding of how it works, and usually, what it even looks like. Changing the rules, equipment, and scoring makes it a different sport altogether. Something between Muay Thai and Kickboxing, but with none of the good parts of either and all of the bullshit that comes with MMA fans bringing their sport's dogshit culture into the Muay Thai scene and calling it "the future"
Many people don't care about tradition and just want to be entertained regardless of what it's called. If there's more money in doing that that's the way things will go.
I got into Muay Thai via One Championship Muay Thai, even started practicing it have been doing it 2-3 times a week for nearly two years now. As I got more into Muay Thai, I actually began to prefer the traditional stadium Muay Thai. I still love watching One FC, but much prefer the more traditional stuff now.
I prefer ONE's scoring system. It's similar to what's seen in boxing and MMA and just makes more sense to me while being more entertaining (to me). I don't understand the purpose of taking away the clinch. That's just kickboxing with elbows. Which makes no sense since ONE has kickboxing too. And there's nothing wrong with kickboxing, but the clinch is arguably THE thing that differentiates the two sports While MMA gloves could in theory make someone punch harder, that isn't always the case. Boxers hit harder than MMA fighters because they wear boxing gloves and can hit as hard as they want without injuring their hands. Boxing gloves originally lead to an increase in kos since prior fighters used to fight very defensively to protect their hands. I prefer the MMA gloves if there's a strong clinch game since those gloves are designed specifically for that in the first place, but prefer boxing gloves otherwise. From a fan perspective I also just think there's something aesthetically pleasing about boxing gloves. I also think boxing rings are better for fans especially inside the arena. However, ONE often puts MT Kickboxing MMA and grappling all on the same card and I can understand why a cage would be necessary to prevent grapplers from falling out of the ring Edit: I think maybe the fact that ONE has kickboxing and muay thai might be the real reason they make the MT guys wear MMA gloves. So that the fans perceive them as two different sports.
I like that One focuses more on effectiveness then technique with favoring damage but I would appreciate some more attention to the clinch and especially the culture with the pre fight traditions and the music to honor what muay thai comes from thats my main issue
I think Muaythai rules are respected in fewer organizations even with gloves. It’s mainly respected for 1st two round slow and rest 3 with more weight mainly in Thailand or Thai organizations. But other Muay Thai organizations abroad you’ll find one guy fighting pure Muay Thai while his opponent is heavy kickboxing style with high pace. One champion ship came later and made a business model of what can sell for Muaythai
I would say it hasn’t ruined it (as a beginner), but just knowing MT history, it’s a war time martial art. This format allows for it to be closer tot he natural element/purpose of its origin
Honestly I think they made it better with the 4oz gloves it would definitely make it easier to clinch and stuff and catch kicks you know and less weight from the traditional 8 or 10oz boxing gloves
I like the more aggressive style of one but I do not like the cage, I prefer the ring and would love to see clinching reintroduced. It’s a dying art and even watching my mates fights and seeing friends at the gym I train at fight the art of clinch isn’t being used to its full potential and as a result isn’t being taught as much as it should be.
If they can lower their “need for action” standards, it’ll be better for fighters to be technical and showcase their strategy more, as well as the clinch, really needs to allow for more clinch
I think ONE rules expose who the real femeuh vs. muay maht fighters are. Many, many muay thai fighters are muay maht. You can even say the majority. They were hiding behind the bigger gloves( maybe hiding is the wrong word) and able to look more technical. Let's take a look at real femeuh, like Saenchai, although he's not going to fight in one, but i don't think the small gloves will make him a punch heavy brawler. Sam A, Petchmorakot, Superlek, Panpayak, Sagetdao, to name a few who are real femeuh. But yeah, calling ONE muay thai might be ugly to the purest, so should they just call it ONE Striking? Personally I enjoy it. Fighting has evolved and soon, the fighters and camps will adjust to the punch heavy styles. One is starting to allow more active clinching lately. The Teep is so underrated.
This is really well put. Saenchai is a one in a million fighter, so I think he can fight in pretty much any rule set and do really well. I really enjoy ONE but when I'm 3 back to back first round knockouts in I can start to feel the damage through the screen 😂. I like style clashes and seeing people figure each other out and I think that aspect can get a little lost in the chaos of 4oz gloves and bonus chasing. Thank you for commenting, appreciate it 🙏
@bl-nb8fo , Yes, do your best to get the bonus. And if the best to that fighter is muay maht, then that fighter is a natural muay maht. The goal is to fight for money. Don't fight for gamblers and promoters.
So I think people can agree with this... Even though there are rule changes, scoring differences etc.... One FC has provided a big platform for Thai fighters... Remember before one, unless you were hardcore...the biggest platform was K1 with Buakaw but even then it wasn't close to traditional muy thai One FC blurs the line between kickboxing and Thai One introduced me to Rodtang and Stamp
It’s not traditional stadium Muay Thai but overall I like it and the opportunity it presents for established fighters to make a decent living and get the recognition they deserve. It’s definitely more incentivized for headhunting and the pace is different, which really is killing the chess game that Golden Era Muay Thai was, however.
I actually wanted to see more striking combat sports with the 4oz MMA gloves. Boxing, kickboxing, muay thai….and while most purists wouldn’t agree, even things like Full Contact Karate like Kyokushin and it’s derivatives which would be able to allow punches to the head
I love ONE Championship Muay Thai. It did open my eyes to Muay Thai. It is definitely bringing popularity to the sport. But, I do like watching RWS Muay Thai as well. But, as a whole Muay Thai is just gonna get bigger & bigger imo.
i prefer the one rules, where damage is more important, although i wouldn't score punches more than kicks and i would only score effective aggression not just trucking forward and i also don't mind the small gloves. what i really hate is how much out of their way one goes to make a muay thai fight into a brawl, with refs forcing everyone to trade at all times and with the clinch being broken in nanoseconds. the clinch is one of the most important aspects of muay thai and one has basically banned it, like wtf?
I like it more. In every way. besides the clinch being basically taken out. I want to see the effectiveness of the clinch with the smaller gloves.
Ye, I would like to see more clinching too! We still haven't seen a really strong muay thai clinch game in MMA and I think it would be really effective. I think superlek does a really good job of striking before the clinch and grabbing at the arms etc but I think there would be better style clashes with more extended grappling. Thanks for commenting
You like sloppy lethwei like aggression? Good for you
Well, some people have bad taste and that's ok
@@prostrikingagreed
@@prostriking Really ??? the entire Chute Box team was famous for their clinch game during Pride strikeforce and Ufc up to like the 120 -160 ish era. Anderson silva literally won the belt and defended it twice via Clinch masterclasses .
I don't mind the 4 ounce gloves and even the limited clinching. But I absolutely hate it when the refs don't allow fighters to download information and force them to brawl. Also, I don't like how fighters who fight on the backfoot are less favoured in terms of scoring. Due to this technical back foot fighters like Nong-O had to completely change their style to an aggressive front foot style.
They just want immediate KOs. Thats why Friday Night Fights is just a festival of sloppy aggressive brawling labeled "muay thai" just because it has elbows
Spot on
I think things like agression should only count if the match didn't involve many strikes. If you're moving back and outstrike the opponent or drop them... it shouldn't matter.
Muay Thai has always been about going forward, nothing new there.
@@Jandro1083 No, it's not. Too much aggression can actually count against you in traditional muay thai because it signals desperation
No not ruined. I am Thai and believe me most of Thai people very like 4oz gloves this is close to how the beginning of MT use that was in real war and completely bare hand and then change to ropes and then follow Boxing gloves.
That's interesting to hear. I'm an American MMA fan and I love ONE's muay thai with 4 Oz gloves. I've watched nearly every one of their Friday Fight cards for the past few months.
Honestly, I feel like they’ve made it a little more mainstream. The 4oz gloves and the platform itself that is ONE Championship made it a little more popular for the casual audience, to be honest. ONE is like the asian version of UFC but with multiple disciplines being showcased.
Idk K1 was much more popular with casual audience then one is this days and K1 has big gloves
@@AnnaKuznetzova88 Yeah but how long was K1 popular? Years ago. Decades ago. Some people weren’t even old enough to have known that era. ONE brought back the interest of Muay Thai and Kickboxing to a lot of people. Glory Kickboxing did it too but their product isn’t even half as good as ONE when it comes to marketing.
They have brought more eyes to that part of the country, I love what there doing, I've turned my MMA friends on to Friday night fights, they don't miss a fight
They butchered up the muay thai ruleset. They ruined kickboxing by bringing in top talents and either don't give them the fights they deserve, or straight up don't give them any fights at all. Also fuck the short clinch deletion from kickboxing
One championship is on Amazon prime as well. Though I'm not sure how much that audience has caught on, there is still a disconnect with the athletes as to not knowing their fight history.
I've entirely switched over to one championship and more towards kickboing, over the Ufc and mma. Ufc is getting stale and boring with all the same fighter keep fighting each other. The world has changed a lot over the last few years as war rages on.
Personally, I like it. I was an MMA fan that came to ONE to watch DJ. But the ONE Muay Thai captured me. Ita now my preference to watch. Ive tried watching more traditional Muay Thai because of ONE but my preference is still ONE.
Sure, the Friday Fights tend to get a bit scrappy, but i still think the best technical fighters prevail.
I’m the same way, starting watching for DJ but got captivated by muay thai in 4oz. I find it more exciting than the ufc cards.
As a Muay Thai practitioner myself, I have to admit ONE fights are just more entertaining than traditional Muay Thai fights. Yes I wish there was more clinching allowed, yes the traditional sport is beautiful in its own way… but to make Muay Thai successful in the west (or just to more casuals in general) the 4 oz glove is the best idea anyone has had.
Only thing I don't like is the limited clinching, because as much as it tries to focus on "Muay Thai", it rarely accommodates different Thai styles (Muay Khao, Femur, Tae & Sok). Muay Mat practitioners fit in perfectly.
^ this is exactly how I feel
Wow I did not know there were so many Muay Thai styles. Could you give a quick summary of each one?
@@derrickrobinson7269 generally, the different styles refer to specializations or preferences of the fighter but to generalize some popular ones:
Muay Mat: aggressive, forward-moving, very boxing & power-low-kick heavy. They tend to be good in-fighters, and keep their opponents on the back foot
Muay Khao: clinch-heavy style that specializes in knees, often stifling the opponent’s attacks & controlling their balance.
Muay Tae: kicking specialists. They tend to snipe, or smash, with kicks from the outside. They often have versatile teeps, great lateral movement, and powerful kicks
Muay Sok: elbow-heavy style that relies on timing and distance-management on the outside, and very active clinching on the inside to smash & cut their opponents with elbows.
Muay Femur: a technical style that heavily utilizes feints and setups. They tend to snipe at their opens from range, then change up tactics to exploit openings
@@JaredClaunch That's so cool, I like how Muay seems to have it's own version of every striking style (Karate, TKD, Kickboxing, etc). I'm really drawn to the descriptions for Mat, Tae, and Femur so I'll look further into those styles for my own striking. I'm primarily a NoGi Grappler (Style Inspired by the Ruotolos) but would definitely like to add striking into my arsenal as well since I'm built like the Ruotolos with long limbs
@@derrickrobinson7269 always happy to nerd out about the best sport in the world! Here’s some fighters for those three styles who have a lot of highlights & fights on UA-cam:
Mat: Rodtang
Tae: Tawanchai
Femur: Saenchai
I consider ONE Muay Thai "Striking". Not exactly Kickboxing, not exactly Muay Thai, but not different enough from either to be a super far removed. My preferred type of striking sport to watch because I enjoy a boxing heavy game, but I am a little dissapointed at the lack of clinch work
If u like boxing heavy game why not glory? Much much better boxing then one. Even less clinch tho
You’d think the 4oz gloves would make the clinch more viable
@@AnnaKuznetzova88 I also enjoy watching Glory, but frankly, there's just not many fighters in Glory I'm particularly drawn to, so I don't find myself tuning in too often.
Agreed, they want to have muay Thai with duch kickboxing paste
Agreed, they want to have muay Thai with duch kickboxing paste
the clinching , the rhythm , the feeling of the game.. all gone for "ko percentage" . Chatri knows westerners want blood and guts , so he changed muay thai so one could conquer western audience..
@@lovelife1867 And Chatri has the nerve to say ONE is so eastern
you say western audiences but very few people watches muay thai in asia too, One is making muay thai more popular all over the world. if they want to see traditional muay thai they can go watch it, its been around forever yet no one watches it, even in asia.
@@DefZen343 I live in Th and regular events are packed with fighters worldwide, funny enough , Chinese are sending their fighters to practice in gyms and later fight in events like kunlun fight and similar.. Japanese also. Muay Thai is visible to you as much as media allows you to be. I live in Thailand and for me this is a normal sport.
@@lovelife1867 Yeah ofcourse you are in Thailand and people specifically interested in Thai fighting will go there. the rest of the world doesnt know much about Muay thai and rarely watch it.
@@DefZen343 because they suck. There are bunch of Eu countries that still do shotokan point karate or taekwondo. America sticks to what they know and are afraid to venture into best standup in existence.
What you can't see is how BIG Asia is. Do you know how good Iranian fighters now are ?
British have great stock too .. Muay Thai with normal gloves is a poetry in motion , not just banging and 4oz gloves nullify that art.
The rest of the world will only know 4oz cause they need easy fun on friday night on beers and snacks.
Yes, they made muay thai in kickboxing with elbows. Even the thai stance is not used anymore except by haggerty
Thanks for commenting, appreciate you!
Friday Night Fights can also be described as lethwei without headbutts. Just sloppy aggressive lethwei-like brawling
@@bl-nb8fohey man don’t disrespect lethwei like that lol
Idk kickboxing has much much better boxing technique and footwork
@@bl-nb8fo Might as well just add Lethwei at this point
Growing up in Southeast Asia and getting into Muay Thai (Thai boxing as we used to call it) in the late 70s through early 80s before moving to the US, I had the chance to see the golden era of MT and part of me love the ritualistic and artistic aspect of MT. Still, deep down, we all know that for MT to grow globally, it has to evolve, and as people from all over the world started to train in MT, the innovative contribution is bound to happen. No difference in how languages continue to evolve and grow. And it is a good thing.
Yeah, Muaythai always evolving all the time. It’s always changing little bit by little to be acceptable by the society.
I think its great for muay thai, more global eyes on an under appreciated sport and its given an absolute pinnacle for aspiring muay thai fighters to aim for. I know its not "traditional" but all sports have to evolve before they become massive
@dainsismey4900 ye for sure, i can appreciate this! I enjoy both styles of fighting and it's great to see older legends get a pay day that have put in years If graft in muay thai for next to nothing! Thanks for for commenting, appreciate you! 🙏
ONE isnt evolution. It's reverting back to an archaic and less developed form of muay thai. Only good thing it did is small gloves. Bit the rulesets, nope, absolutely not
Agreed!
@@user-pd9ju5dk5straditional muay thai is boring and the judging is not based on how much you hit and inflict damage to an opponent but how much you endure punishment and look unfazed which is kind a silly
@@strangeman9362you could argue the amount of brawling and pub fight style ko’s in ONE make it’s Muay Thai boring
Me personally I view ONE in the lens of ‘it’s not killing Muay Thai, but is it REALLY Muay Thai?’ I’m glad to see the refs become more permissive of the clinch though.
permissive? they stop clinching almost immediately.
@@lovelife1867 yeah I should’ve specified it seems to vary depending on who’s reffing, some refs allow it while others break it up immediately
@@decidingpaper6324I’ve noticed this also
Rws is also limited in clinches, but still more than ONE ofc
Complaining of gloves is weird for me. I see many Muay Thai fights with just hand wrap and no glove at alwl
I agree completely with all your points.
I think a lot about this actaully so I was excited to see a video about this particular niche.
The other thing that concerns me is not so much the evolution of what goes on in the ring if it were limited to that. My bigger concern is the evolution of training in this sport.
Many of the champions in ONE have a traditionalist training background that is highly focused on fundamentals and proper technique (pretty muay thai)
When they fight in ONE it's just at a much higher pace and more aggressive but almost all the fighters are still highly skilled and have great technique.
However I think as time goes on the training and coaching may become more lackluster as damage and aggression will be the priority and it will end up looking more like Muay Thai in the USA where to put it simply from a reddit comment I saw a while back:
"Muay Thai in the US is a ruleset and not a style"
and we'll just end up getting brawls and not proper fights.
Surely purists would say the small gloves makes it purer than stadium mt. Real mt should be bare knuckle or with rope wrapped around the fists.
So One focuses on the results and Stadium focuses on the process.
🤔 that's an interesting way of looking at it!
Unique perspective indeed
I think they have brought more eyes making more Star and that can never be a bad thing, I love what one is doing
one focuses on making as much money as they can but in the process they are ruining muay thai. i will be honest, there are things in traditional muay thai that i'm not a fan of, like the two first rounds and end of 5th being slow and scoring how balanced and beautiful the techniques are instead of who is actually beating the other guy up but what one has done, with the clinch basically being non-existent and the refs forcing action at all times is just criminal and has turned most of the muay thai fights into bar brawls.
@@tommygunnggg1127 if turning muay thai into just two dudes brawling makes it popular then it is a bad thing, at least if you love muay thai. with proper promotion and money behind it and some changes to some rules, legit muay thai can be way more popular than what one has to show.
Clinching and regular scoring needs to be brought back. The clinch is like 1/3rd of the art
I mean, hearing people say that Rodtang is in the Muay Thai GOAT'S conversation makes me cringe lol.
As someone who's not in the conversation and trying to learn more, why?
@@JCOdrjones Because Muay Thaï is so, so vast and contains so many greats who have done it. And it's only recently that the sport has gained a serious media coverage around the world. To cut a long story short, Rodtang is getting the biggest media treatment due to his fun highlights republished millions of times on Tiktok. Is he a good fighter? Absolutely, he is a savage. But talking about being close to the best ? Not Top 50. Not even Top 5 in this generation.
@@samart333 Ah. So it's one of *those* situations. The new big pushed face of "a thing" being called a GOAT by what are mostly newbies into "the thing"
Like damn, always annoying when something like this happens to something you are deeply into, and you find way too many people giving too many roses to one undeserving of the fields of flowers picked for them.
exactly haha
talk about recency bias and just plain ignorance
I agree with you, there are another names which most of western Muay Thai fans never heard about but they are basically legends of Muay Thai gaining very little recognition by west.
(e.g. Langsuan, Pudpadnoi, Sagat, Karuhat, Dieselnoi, Samart, Apidej etc.. list goes on and on)
The english referee at One Championship - I think his name is Ricky Sewell - is very good and really seems to understand Muay Thai; letting the clinch go on and not constantly calling for ‘action’
I honestly think he's a bit better than Coste considering Ricky wants them to fight more while Coste wants to keep them separate
I don't think it destroys the traditional Muay Thai, like you said at the end of the video it brings more eyes to both ONE and the RWS.
Although the "really elite" femur are rare in ONE, and those tends to be the champions. Being good in both Femur AND good with hands in 4oz gloves is essentially what is gonna get you into the big league. While those who only walks forward and swinging, even though they get a lot of KOs, they often lack defence in the exchange and are prone to being KO'd themselves. We see many instances of a comeback.
Rodtang, Haggerty and Superlek, these are my top 3 as they can be on the back foot and countering, or walks forward while being defensively sound.
Superlek vs Tagir I still rewatch many times to this days because of Superlek's elbows.
The pulling down the guard for opening for the elbows, pushing the guards on Tagir to bounce him off the ropes and chuck the elbows.
To me it did not look like a fight, but rather a murder attempt by Superlek.
The way he leans forward to put every single ounce behind the chucking elbow is just brutal.
I'd love it if you do a video on Superlek vs Tagir and the effectiveness of elbows in negating punches.
Thanks for commenting! I agree with a lot of what you've said there. Superlek vs tagir sounds like a good idea for a video and an interesting topic how elbows can negate another fighters boxing. I'll have to give that fight a rewatch! Thanks again for the comment, appreciate it!
@@prostriking no problem, keep up the good work!
i perfer cages to rings, i dont like when a fighter just gets cornered and basically cant escape unless the aggressor royaly fuckes up.
the only thing rings have imo is they look so sexy. cages are better in almost every other way tho
I don't like that they can't lean back and rope a dope. Should do a circular ring like BKFC
FIGHTERS ARE THE LAST THING ORGANIZATIONS CARE ABOUT
True 😢
I started seeing alot of Stadium Muay Thai. Previously i watched alot of UFC, but got bored with it. Always was fascinated with Muay Thai.
I think ONE led me to RWS, which led me to Stadium Fights.
I have started to like 5 rounds over RWS 3 rounds. But they still have many good fighters to watch.
MT in ONE fc
1. No traditional dance/Wai Kru before the fight
2. Not wearing Mongkol on the head.
3. Wearing small gloves oz
4. It only have 3 rounds (most regular MT fights have 5 rounds)
5. Not much clinch.
1. The championship fights have the Wai Kru. i’ve watched it live & in Person.
2. The Mongkol is work when doing the Wai Kru
5. The Championship fights have 5 rounds
Seems like your getting confused with the One Friday Fights
@@ORIGINOLINDIVIDUALand even then they occasionally do the Wai Kru on Friday Fights
@pexxeqstudio Not on One they dont. so i dont know what you’ve been watching at Lumpinee but it isn’t OneChampionship
Traditional muay thai boring
@@strangeman9362 To you maybe
I'm still salty they don't allows clinch bc clinch in that small glove would be a dream
You could technically say One FC adds the elements of Kard Chuek, where the only two outcomes are knockout or draw. It also uses ropes instead of 12oz gloves, which is more similar to 4oz gloves.
Also noticed that the Thai crowd at One shows in Lumpinee were younger than ones in Rajadamnern. It's possible that the One style of Muay Thai appeals to a younger Thai audience, not just international audiences.
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The video did not mention "Thai Fight" events with traditional hand wrapping, three rounds...
Rules can always be modified and changed to improve a sport for competitors & and spectators. 5-Rounds is not just for the purists and traditionalists.
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as thai who train couple days a week. i love one's rule it force the fight to be more realistic after all MT suppose to be martial art that can be use in irl, but it need couple of adjustment, first is don't make ref force the action it will be more realistic because if you were to get caught in street fight you would fight at your own pace and only your opps can change that by being aggresive, next one is longer clinch time, it give more time for fighter to show skill in the clinch, last point is score base on damage not matter back foot or front foot if you give you opps damage you are wining. i think that this is a evolution MT going through it will force triditional muay thai with no boxing defence, no headmovement to improve and will make muay thai wayyy better in self defence overall because fighter force to be will rounded not only kick and pull back or hide behind big glove when punch come.
Good points
The clinch and the Ram Muay are what makes Muay Thai truly distinctive from other styles. Imo anything that reduces the clinch work during the fight is a big step in the wrong direction. MT is very much a cultural activity and the Ram Muay is an important part of that. I understand maybe not televising it, maybe, but I dont think you should expect Thais to fight without it being performed. For judging I also think the traditional perspective about things like balance and ring control is a superior, more sophisticated way to evaluate the fight. Factors like the gloves and the cage are much less important imo.
great vid which makes a great observation. I was wondering about this the last few days.
ONE FC fights are fast paced with a high KO ratio. but it's started to look more like kickboxing at times.
I used to get bored when fights were clinch heavy (muay khao) but now I understand that aspect better, I've come to appreciate it more and appreciate the slow build up more. fighters really test each other out to determine a strategy and tactics. you can see more of the subtleties and thinking behind certain moves.
I'll still watch ONE FC definitely (Glory has lost its appeal) but I've found I'm looking more and more for the more traditional fights in Thailand. like the fight between Rodtang and Kaonah. Kaonah won that one by shutting down Rodtang with his patient muay femur style and it was great to watch.
The smaller gloves are a disaster for fighter's health. At least let them clinch until someone breaks free, not after 2 seconds. Or 5 rounds so they don't sprint so hard n have to be more technical.
I am against it overall. Ur forced to take so much damage and if u try to avoid it by clinching u get punished.
Ye I think the long term reprocussions won't be seen for a few years but it could be bad. I feel like the rules encourage targeting the head a lot more where as in traditional muay thai the targets are more spread because body kicks and knees are highly rewarded. I think fighters careers will be drastically shortened having a lot of fights in ONE but if they can make 10-20x more money then it's probably worth it for them
I believe that too. More money makes it okayish. BUT if the thais don't evolve and adapt to these new rules, they r gonna go back to their countries making even less after they get wrecked in one by the 4oz. Just like it happened with many of them, brutal kos.
Then they lose that status and respect of "being the best" with their national titles as in a few years they won't mean much.
If they adapt n improve their boxing they can reclaim their thrones
Smaller gloves cause more superficial damage: cuts, bruises etc and the risk of eye pokes which suck. But bigger gloves are worse for a fighter's health. They dont cut the fighters as bad, but they carry more weight and momentum with the bigger gloves, causing more unseen brain damage
@@yeetusdeletus9i disagree. Both are harmful but smaller gloves do more damage to the brain as well ,not only superficially. Imagine if boxing was 4oz gloves 12 rounds. All boxers would be done within 3 years in their career
If you've watched traditional live Muay Thai you'll know it's slow paced to begin with, and then sometimes absolutely nothing happens in round 5 (fighters just stand there bouncing about or don't fight properly on round 5). One Muay Thai eliminates the messing around making it way more exciting. I've been to Muay Thai Fridays at New Lumphini and the main cards on Saturday at 8 a.m and they are packed out every time. The Thais love the events
Muay Thai, should be free to use all 8 limbs, to show the real performance and the arts of MuayThai.
We use to have the clinch master, like DieselNoi LuangSuan and PanomTuanLek.
Now these clinch masters cannot utilized all technique with the new rule and these technique will be extincted.
At least 3-4 knees should be allowed.
I’ve come to love traditional Muay Thai way more than One. Don’t get me wrong, I’m watching the shit out of haggerty and Harrison tomorrow night but I look forward more to RWS and Petchyindee and my rewatches of AMT lol. Just feels way better and showcases the fascinating culture
The traditional format has been around for so long and never gained mainstream recognition. The slow start of rounds 1-2, the 2 min breaks in-between rounds, the slow round 5 because of gambling and the fighter whose losing on points not wanting to engage.
Unfortunately the traditional has never broken through, now ONE is making Muay Thai mainstream and people are complaining? About the fighters getting more money? More people watching it? They are the 2 most important things
I agree it makes Muay Thai look sloppy and it has totally changed the way they fight, I miss the golden era of Muay Thai
I started watching UFC way back on VHS when it was still in the single digits... when DJ went over to ONE I started to watch and that's where I was introduced to their version of Muay Thai. I never really considered Ones version traditional Muay Thai, tho I felt they did a good job at keeping a homage to traditional Muay Thai, while streamlining and adapting Muay Thai to a more global market.
without ONE I never would have started watching Muay Thai or kicking boxing as much as I do now.
Overall like it more. It’s crazy how in modern MT they use huge gloves, but no elbow, knee or shin pads which highly reduces the focus of hands.
Wouldn’t this make One Mauy Thai just Kickboxing with 4 oz gloves? I thought what made mauy thai unique was the clinch work and how little the early rounds and punches weigh on the scorecard. Please someone correct me or help me understand, I’m struggling to understand what makes this Mauy Thai and not kickboxing.
*i think the positives outway the negatives. some fighters are making more in a couple of fights on One then they have in their entire careers.*
They watered it down stripped all the culture of it & made it "western friendly" so that it will be more well recived among mma fans riding off the popularity of the ufc the only thing I enjoy is the fact that they get paid more & have smaller gloves because it emulates a real fight better but one & the west miss out on some of the greatest Thai fighters of today, imagine telling a prime floyd mayweather to do 3 rounds only with mma gloves it would kill his whole style he might not even want to participate everything like smaller rounds & no clinching kills the whole point of Thai boxing its just a 9 minute hardcore kickboxing match with heavy elbows & a few knees / trips snuck in their actual skilled fighters will be replace with a bunch of wild big dumb roided out sluggers Muay Mut fighters are pretty much going to run the show & all the other Thai styles will be deemed irrelevant if nothing changes I'd rather they just learn some grappling join the ufc & fight full on mma than to see them limit their skills so much I enjoy it but they are leaving alot on the table
it really just feels like a different sport at this point, and I don’t think it made many new Muay Thai fans rather just new One fans.
I don't generally watch ONE championship fights because I'm not interested in the "stand and bang" style.
I love Golden Era Muay Thai where artistry, deception and beauty are displayed.
That's my style.
What is stand and bang?
@Thebestplacetobe619 basically "stand and bang" means you stand and take a hit to deliver a hit. Kind of like a "You hit me, I hit you, until one drops"
It's detrimental to the fighter's health and it does not develop or grow the style.
Golden age Muay Thai was VERY different. They are called Muay Femur. They follow the "hit but don't get hit" style. It's a lot more skillful, technical and it's very artistic.
Saenchai, Lerdsila, Samart, Somrak etc are all Muay Femur fighters. They use a lot of timing, deception, guile, faints and agility.
Not just power for power.
To hit and not get hit in return is the ultimate goal, the ultimate style.
Not what's being shown in ONE championship now.
One also ruined their MMA fighters' careers
How so?
@@muay0437 essentially they realised that Muay thai was the way to make money in SE Asia
Look at their MMA champs
When have they fought? March 1st for 3 champs
Fuck, the welterweight and lightweight champ hasn't fought since 2022
Dj just retired so the bantamweight champ is vacant
Antony is a 3 divisional champ which means he's holding up 3 divisions simultaneously
Also the athletes can't leave either because of contractual obligations and stipulations
You saw that Mikey was stripped of his title too
Absolute fucking bullshit everywhere except in Muay thai
Heck even in kickboxing, allazov hasn't fought for a year
ONE is doomed unless they do something fast
@@AS-bc8fg ok thank you. just wanted to know
@@AS-bc8fgAt this point I'd rather ONE just focus on their version of muay thai. They have some good MMA fighters I'd like to see in the UFC and other organizations where they'd actually fight.
ONE turns into the brawling game. We see less technical muaythai in ONE. If you want to see techniques and technical MT, I recommend the RWS events.
MT is built to use techniques as Asian built is smaller so taking the time using the closer range weapons could reduce the harm from the bigger puncher.
Haha RWS is just a corrupt as One Championship and the ranking, scoring and matchmaking in RWS is absolute garbage.
I am starting to write and tell people if you want to watch Thy Top 110 Pound For Pound Yod/Nak Muays In The History Of Muay Thai Fight in a Grandmaster Technical Fight were Gods to Titan Warrior Men compete, then watch The Silver To Golden Era Muay Thai.
This current Era of "Muay Thai" is absolute garbage/amateur compared to the Silver to Golden Era of Muay Thai.
@@KevinMartinez- Someone who gets it
I see it as a lease on life. It’s not exactly how it wants to be presented, but it’s essentially their one big shot at keeping eyes on it.
My only gripe is how little they let them clinch. If its muay thai rules, let them clinch abit longer as that is a big part of some thai fighters style. If it's a kickboxing match, then sure, shorten up the clinch length but still give me more leeway to clinch.
The gloves are most definitely fun, but they need to let the clinch go more. Also the fight being scored as a whole is much better... you go to stadiums in Thailand and watch two people shuffle and taunt for the entire 5th round... or one fighter just stop punishing someone with a minute left in the 4th because the fight is considered over and both sets of coaches start shouting "PAW PAW"... it's very tedious as a spectator.
There is no point to trying to kill each other in 5th rd if one fighter has clearly demonstrated he is the better fighter
Gotta say I love One Muay Thai. I totally get the purist perspective, though.
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Punches is less score in One. You can see when Thai vs foreigner ends with scoring (no knock down) and foreigner with only punch rarely win and there will be a comment like robbery. It happens every single week on One’s instagram. Punch only win Thai by KO
Ones' scoring criteria doesn't differentiate between strikes! So, all techniques should score equally, depending on their effectiveness.
@@prostriking Yes but consider that judges are likely to have a fondness for tradition and so bring bias into their scoring. In the UFC this happens with some judges scoring grappling control and oither scoring damage despite the rules clearly stating that they should only score damage with grappling control only being relevant when damage is equal. Every card at least one judge ignores this and scores control over damage so the same is likely for One FC imo. Humans are very biased creatures by our nature.
Fuck u mean punch rarely win fighter win with a punch ko all the time😂
Very insightful video, thank you. Now I finally understand why so many Thai Fighters are getting knock out during One Friday Fight Nights by non Thais, and it’s always the same “formula” where they rely a lot of body kicks but eventually getting KO by pressured boxing. Not to mention why they seem to prefer a back foot/counter attack style instead of just going forward like their opponents.
I guess that’s an adjustment that’s harder for Thais especially since they are so used to the traditional Muay Thai rules and have been doing that for so long, hence having to readjust something that’s like muscle memory to them needs alot more time.
Everything evolves and at the end of the day, it is up to the people what they want to buy into and support. I support One because of many reasons you mentioned here.... but I train my fighters to be patient and invite the flurries of forward pressure. Effective striking is more important than aggression, even in One.
I think One has made muay thai more popular and actually makes its athletes more recognized and respected from a bigger worldwide audience and better pay for the athletes.
I'd agree with that. I've watched nearly every single Friday Fight card for the past few months after watching strictly boxing and MMA for most of my life.
The smaller gloves are a nice touch. I just don't like how they brawl all the time. Let them settle in and more clinch. The aggressive part is insane especially if the fighter is a counter fighter. Most of the time, they lose when clearly they won the fight
When I fought again this year in Thailand I explained to an One representative that in my contry (Romania) trhe premium sports channel(pro arena) is showing One Fc instead of Ufc. One Muat Thai is different from the original muay thai(no better, or worse, just different), but is a great promoter of muay thai worldwide, even in my country where muay thai is not very well known
One has been using a traditional ring much more often recently. Mostly because a lot of events are being held in Lumpinee Stadium. And they usually play the traditional music and wai kru for the main event, so it's still there although not for every flight
For me, ONE was a gate to muay Thai. I only watched boxing but Haggerty vs Rodtang 1 was the first muay Thai fight I saw and now I tune to ONE at least every two weeks.
Who’s the heavy boxing style fighter at 2:08? I’ve been trying to find him for the longest
That's Jamal Yusupov! He beat some good fighters on ONE like Sammy Sana and Yodsanklai but lost to tawanchai by leg kick stoppage and hadn't fought in one since. Think he is still fighting on a Russian promotion though
its bad for muay thai as a art, alot of technical fighting and counter fighting will die out because of the rule set and scoring
I think spot on, It may be different, but it brings eyes, that could end up falling in love with the more technical side as well. Why can't we have both?
I would like 5 minute rounds and more clinching
I am probably biased, I only consistently started watching muay thai on a weekly basis after seeing it in ONE, that said, I LOVED IT and started watching old fights classic matches and basically watching any muay thai I could get my hands on.
My opinion it that stadium is more tactical and some might say more technical, but there are often significant luls in combat, first rounds where neither fighter engages significantly due to historical betting stage closing after round one, as mentioned in the video.. the is a lot of Backfoot fighting that involves keeping a more aggressive fighter at bay with teens and movement and right cutoff/ controls is key
ONE 4 OZ gloves and ruleset is geared to excitement and entertainment, not the technical beauty of the sport as an art form, and it achieves the goal fairly effectively, and when it it paired with the octagon the lack of corners in the ring balances that ruleset well still allowing for some evasion and distance control fighting ( as opposed to traditional square ring)
I don't think that this newer ruleset has fully matured i have been watching the META advance in real-time as the fighters explore adjust to it and I think it may be very interesting to see how it evelves.. and what small tweaks will have to be done to the rules in the future as it reaches maturity
The only thing that I actually see as Potentially detrimental is the long term effects on fighters career longevity, between the broken bones and higher amount of KO finishes i am not sure fighting in this second style will be as sustainable as stadium champs who fight deep into their careers and still appear sharp, intelligible and functional. Not punch drunk like some of the ufc legends are.
Guys like Rodtang will kind of bee our road map for tjis, but sadly by the time this becomes clear an entire generation of much younger fighters will have come up training in and prepping with/ for 4 OZ gloves and that might be a very sad story
Entertainment wise.. its spectacular that is for sure has MMA beat by a country mile for excitement.
I respect ONE fighting championship and the art of muay thai I'm not a practioner but i think it's a beautiful and deadly art
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The 4 oz gloves imo are great for Muay Thai because it makes clinching more effective and opens up better possibilities while also bringing Muay Thai closer to real life self defense application where you don't have the surface area of boxing gloves to hide behind. Though I do agree with some other comments about taking issue with the aggression rules like forcing action and favoring forward fighting opponents which punishes patient or counter based styles
I personally love it! I find ONE fights to easily be some of the most entertaining fights I’ve ever seen. I wish there was more clinch but I like that boxing is just as rewarding as kicking under the ONE format. They can actually be damaging, whereas with the traditional gloves it seems that every other striking method is more effective than boxing.
Does one egomaniac “Chatri bonus” go for beautiful Muay Thai? No! It’s for brawling and blood. The dude is single handedly destroying MT. Fighters are getting rich but the art is long gone.
small gloves, ko bonuses, and no clinching basically just turns it into a brawl, very big diffence between one and other organizations
Alot of muay thai legends getting koed in onefc haha
@@strangeman9362 You mean the old Sam-A and Nong-O, guys waaay beyond their prime? The late 30s guys fighting in a sport when they typically retire by late 20s?
I think all styles gain if they are willing to test in a less than deadly venue. Kinda strips away things and adds to make the style closer for combative and defensive use for a variety of peoples body structures and skills.
I love ONE Muay Thai. I do wish they’d let them work the clinch more tho. Sometimes in clinching you really wanna work to a good position before you start letting off knees and elbows
I like both, I watch many shows from Sor Sommai, Petchyndee, Pathong, Petbuncha, RWS (which I love the most) and ONE. I think we have to learn and enjoy the sport as it is and undestrand that crowd outside Thailand, maybe is not used to the Thai way.
What’s the song in the very beginning of the video?
Id rather watch One than two fighters bouncing their front foot for 2 rounds just throwing teeps.
One, forces the action and i dont mind that.
😂😂 bouncing the lead foot and rolling up the shorts isn't everyone's cup of tea haha. Thanks for commenting
one muay thai is mostly just brawls. that's fine for a while but i wanna see actual kickboxing matches sometimes. even rodtang vs superlek was a sloppy scrap
What? Not at all it's high level chess
@@sociallypatterneddefect9580 it absolutely is not
@@thomas_walker do you trian Thai Boxing or martial arts?
It's a game with different winning strategies from traditional Muay Thai, but far from being an uncoordinated brawl.
@leonardomarquesbellini It's still brawling, period. And more sloppy compared to the brawls of golden age.
Almost forgot to ask bro would you be able to do a video on Lakhin Wassandasit? He’s a golden age legend lots of his fights on UA-cam he’s a really interesting Thai puncher very menacing if you have the chance look up how fights with Samson Issan the best Muay Thai trilogy in my opinion
I'd really like to see more clinching in ONE, it's huge part of the sport and it's shame that it's not being emphasized.
It's not Muay Thai, it's misusing the name of the sport to push their product. When I trained in Thailand (haven't been there since 2019), every Thai coach and Thai fighter I talked to viewed promotions like MX Muay Xtreme, Muay Hardcore, and now ONE, as fighting shows that were explicitly not Muay Thai, and made to entertain tourists. I'm not surprised that all of these would-be (or actual) tourists prefer the slop ONE feeds them to the actual sport. They don't care about the actual sport and have no understanding of how it works, and usually, what it even looks like. Changing the rules, equipment, and scoring makes it a different sport altogether. Something between Muay Thai and Kickboxing, but with none of the good parts of either and all of the bullshit that comes with MMA fans bringing their sport's dogshit culture into the Muay Thai scene and calling it "the future"
100%
One is closer to traditional MT with the small gloves versus the pillows they put on their hands now.
Many people don't care about tradition and just want to be entertained regardless of what it's called. If there's more money in doing that that's the way things will go.
I got into Muay Thai via One Championship Muay Thai, even started practicing it have been doing it 2-3 times a week for nearly two years now. As I got more into Muay Thai, I actually began to prefer the traditional stadium Muay Thai. I still love watching One FC, but much prefer the more traditional stuff now.
I prefer ONE's scoring system. It's similar to what's seen in boxing and MMA and just makes more sense to me while being more entertaining (to me).
I don't understand the purpose of taking away the clinch. That's just kickboxing with elbows. Which makes no sense since ONE has kickboxing too. And there's nothing wrong with kickboxing, but the clinch is arguably THE thing that differentiates the two sports
While MMA gloves could in theory make someone punch harder, that isn't always the case. Boxers hit harder than MMA fighters because they wear boxing gloves and can hit as hard as they want without injuring their hands. Boxing gloves originally lead to an increase in kos since prior fighters used to fight very defensively to protect their hands. I prefer the MMA gloves if there's a strong clinch game since those gloves are designed specifically for that in the first place, but prefer boxing gloves otherwise. From a fan perspective I also just think there's something aesthetically pleasing about boxing gloves. I also think boxing rings are better for fans especially inside the arena. However, ONE often puts MT Kickboxing MMA and grappling all on the same card and I can understand why a cage would be necessary to prevent grapplers from falling out of the ring
Edit: I think maybe the fact that ONE has kickboxing and muay thai might be the real reason they make the MT guys wear MMA gloves. So that the fans perceive them as two different sports.
I like that One focuses more on effectiveness then technique with favoring damage but I would appreciate some more attention to the clinch and especially the culture with the pre fight traditions and the music to honor what muay thai comes from thats my main issue
I think Muaythai rules are respected in fewer organizations even with gloves. It’s mainly respected for 1st two round slow and rest 3 with more weight mainly in Thailand or Thai organizations. But other Muay Thai organizations abroad you’ll find one guy fighting pure Muay Thai while his opponent is heavy kickboxing style with high pace. One champion ship came later and made a business model of what can sell for Muaythai
I would say it hasn’t ruined it (as a beginner), but just knowing MT history, it’s a war time martial art. This format allows for it to be closer tot he natural element/purpose of its origin
Honestly I think they made it better with the 4oz gloves it would definitely make it easier to clinch and stuff and catch kicks you know and less weight from the traditional 8 or 10oz boxing gloves
I like the more aggressive style of one but I do not like the cage, I prefer the ring and would love to see clinching reintroduced. It’s a dying art and even watching my mates fights and seeing friends at the gym I train at fight the art of clinch isn’t being used to its full potential and as a result isn’t being taught as much as it should be.
If they can lower their “need for action” standards, it’ll be better for fighters to be technical and showcase their strategy more, as well as the clinch, really needs to allow for more clinch
I've not even watched the video and the answer is NO.
ONE has elevated Muay Thai.
I think ONE rules expose who the real femeuh vs. muay maht fighters are. Many, many muay thai fighters are muay maht. You can even say the majority. They were hiding behind the bigger gloves( maybe hiding is the wrong word) and able to look more technical.
Let's take a look at real femeuh, like Saenchai, although he's not going to fight in one, but i don't think the small gloves will make him a punch heavy brawler. Sam A, Petchmorakot, Superlek, Panpayak, Sagetdao, to name a few who are real femeuh.
But yeah, calling ONE muay thai might be ugly to the purest, so should they just call it ONE Striking? Personally I enjoy it. Fighting has evolved and soon, the fighters and camps will adjust to the punch heavy styles. One is starting to allow more active clinching lately.
The Teep is so underrated.
This is really well put. Saenchai is a one in a million fighter, so I think he can fight in pretty much any rule set and do really well. I really enjoy ONE but when I'm 3 back to back first round knockouts in I can start to feel the damage through the screen 😂. I like style clashes and seeing people figure each other out and I think that aspect can get a little lost in the chaos of 4oz gloves and bonus chasing. Thank you for commenting, appreciate it 🙏
They appear to be muay matt because they're going for ONE KO bonus
@bl-nb8fo , Yes, do your best to get the bonus. And if the best to that fighter is muay maht, then that fighter is a natural muay maht.
The goal is to fight for money. Don't fight for gamblers and promoters.
@@prostrikingPakorn seems to be the same type of fighter, as in he can adapt to any ruleset extremely well
So I think people can agree with this... Even though there are rule changes, scoring differences etc.... One FC has provided a big platform for Thai fighters... Remember before one, unless you were hardcore...the biggest platform was K1 with Buakaw but even then it wasn't close to traditional muy thai
One FC blurs the line between kickboxing and Thai
One introduced me to Rodtang and Stamp
I do wish clinching and sweeping were more valued in one (and muey thai in general) but outside of that I like what one is diing for the art.
It’s not traditional stadium Muay Thai but overall I like it and the opportunity it presents for established fighters to make a decent living and get the recognition they deserve.
It’s definitely more incentivized for headhunting and the pace is different, which really is killing the chess game that Golden Era Muay Thai was, however.
I actually wanted to see more striking combat sports with the 4oz MMA gloves. Boxing, kickboxing, muay thai….and while most purists wouldn’t agree, even things like Full Contact Karate like Kyokushin and it’s derivatives which would be able to allow punches to the head
Traditional MT they didn’t even use gloves so this is closer IMO
Eliminating the clinch is the biggest mistake they did IMO. 👎
It's actually helped, given it more exposure and better pay outs.
I really like what One has done for Muay Thai.
It also pays its fighters a decent wage for risking their health, unlike many other shows.
they fight sometimes with thin rope probably smaller than 4oz gloves.
Love the One Mauy Thai rule set the fights are super exciting far better than traditional Muay Thai that can have a lot of clinching.
I love ONE Championship Muay Thai. It did open my eyes to Muay Thai. It is definitely bringing popularity to the sport. But, I do like watching RWS Muay Thai as well. But, as a whole Muay Thai is just gonna get bigger & bigger imo.
Where can I read the official pro muaythai rules?
i prefer the one rules, where damage is more important, although i wouldn't score punches more than kicks and i would only score effective aggression not just trucking forward and i also don't mind the small gloves. what i really hate is how much out of their way one goes to make a muay thai fight into a brawl, with refs forcing everyone to trade at all times and with the clinch being broken in nanoseconds. the clinch is one of the most important aspects of muay thai and one has basically banned it, like wtf?