@reneko Seele isn't a shadow of finality, she's a quantum Herrcher rather than Imaginary which means her existence isn't bound to Kiana. If anything Seele is her own "cocoon" and that's probably part of the problem. "anchored universes"...so Earth as we know it included are primarily imaginary energy based and so reject large amounts Quantum energy (much the same as most normal people can't exist for long in the quantum sea). Seele was already a strange case being a pure quantum existence but being able to maintain herself on earth just fine, it's possible that as a Herrcher she'll loose this and essentially become incompatible with "leaves on the tree" due to just being far too much of a quantum conduit.
@renekoSeele isn't a normal herrscher nor she doesn't have a core in the first place at least from what it shows so far and bronya can still transform into HoTr
Well i would say there are 2 cases on what could happen 1. Seele cannot come back even if she can manifest herself into the real world and can maintain it. Because she is an Quantum being connected to the sea of quanta but it is strange that she can maintain herself in the real world even if she is an "Counter part" to the imaginary tree. but she cannot leave because she needs to stay in the bubble universe to hold it stable as the sage. 2. this one is short. Because she is an herrscher that was born in the sea of quanta and because if that she has no core and that means then she has no connection to the cocoon of finality (Kiana) and that means then she cannot leave the sea of quanta because the real world is binded to the imaginary tree what means that she is not capable the manifest herself because the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are like "counters" to each other. even if Seele can as an quantum beeing maintain herself before she turned into an herrscher, it can happend that she lose that abillity because she is now to close connected to the sea of quanta but if she can, the first reason would be then an problem (Maybe Veliona/Dark seele was the reason she could maintain herself in the real world but i dont think so because i readed to much Honkai lore and Honkai gauken lore/GGZ lore)
@@dracotiassorry this might sound dumb but isn't Seele originally from Earth? Her being trapped in the Sea of Quanta for a long time, made her a pure quantum being?
Bronya should either remain there in the sea of quanta with seele (for clarification i hate how they did bronya in APHO) or they should just merge into one
Its like before, mei didn't want kiana to die, so she joined world serpent,but in the end,she accepted that kiana is the only one who can save the universe so instead of stopping her,she support her. Seele took bronyas role for experiment because shes the one who has higher adaptability due to her stigmata, but get lost. Bronya saved her,but seeing that this time,if seele has to sacrifice herself to save the sea, bronya then accept it ajd support her decision, still kinda sad, both pair didn't get the happiness in the long run😂
What if Dark Seele aka Veliona is actually Squad 2 Leader and her mission is finding a way to bring back Seele to real world? Maybe Einstein and Tesla are working on something about the Sea of Quanta so Seele can travel between realms but she can be the Sage while she's in the real world too.
Your explanation about Dark Seele identity crisis is the best part of this video. It was explain perfectly. But I can't go through Chapter 38 spoiler. that first spoiler scene already gave me heart attack.
@@HomuLabs dear Homulabs, if you already playing HSR-Luocha's character story, then you know that there is a cut scene taken from APHO-HI3, and many peopla got confused! Now we need Homulabs to help clearing those confusion! 😀
Imagine going to a place that can disintegrate your body into atoms just to see your girlfriend I mean, I haven't caught up with how determined Bronya can be, but I doubt that that'll ever happen
I feel that Veliona will try to pretend to be Seele in the beginning because her identity crisis would be at its worst after seele is trapped in the bubble universe. Overtime people like Bronya will notice this change in Seele(Veliona) and will comfort her. Then Veliona will fully accept Seele’s wishes and eventually get used her new role, then just being herself rather than pretending to be Seele. I think Seele won’t be able to fully return, but she will be able to be in the real world somehow. Since the sage can’t leave the bubble universe, I guess that Seele might be able to use Veliona’s body(Seele), her original body as a avatar, transferring her consciousness. Though this is very unlikely. But it’s hard to know what Hoyoverse is thinking, like they could just add new lore, for Seele to somehow be able to leave the bubble universe. Another theory will be Kiana will play a role after she masters her powers on the moon, which could be the most likely scenario. Somehow being able to bring Seele back. Because the strongest power is plot armour.
Here's my opinion, but to make it easier I will call Light Seele "Seele" and Dark Seele "Veliona". To be fair if Seele dies won't that make the Bubble Universe Unstable? I do think Seele will be alive but she will have to stay in the Bubble Universe, according to most of the fan translations, Seele will took the Sage's Body while Veliona took Seele's old body. I also agreed that Veliona will continue in the real world as a Valkyrie and still trained under Mei. Considering Mei knew the personality of the real Squad 2 Leader in APHO (Bronya is an acting squad leader.)
I wonder what headache that Mei will get after teaching Veliona since without Seele she's equivalent as B rank Valkyrie in term of team synergy Especially since Mei and both Seele doesn't know each other that well and only work together a bit on Project STIGMA disaster Maybe she become some sort of strict teacher when trained Carole after Veliona
What I have learnt is that Misteln is rapidly climbing up my list of most disliked characters. She just happily plays with people's lives with a smile on her face and faux-empathy. Don't get me wrong. She's a brilliantly written sociopath. I guess with our Lord and Saviour, the Magnificent Bastard Otto, now gone, Mihoyo need to put some groundwork in place to write someone for all of us to dislike immensely. She strikes me as an up-and-coming Villainess of Honkai and they're doing a good job of it.
I'm start to think that the current story arc is dedicated to Dark Seele, learning about accepting herself as she is without anyone making fun of her. Just like you said, while Dark Seele is rowdy and sadistic, turns out that she has some existential issues that persists, even until the early days of the post-Honkai era. As for their relationship, I agree that in the past, both Seeles are dependent at each other. But as the time passes, they need to be independent on their own. It's not wrong to rely on others, but you need to apply the life lesson from the person who taught you in your own. People need a balance between dependence and independence on certain things we cherish for. Too much independence can make blind to your surroundings that will develop into pride, and too much relying on others will hinder your development. At the end of the day, what's matter the most is Dark Seele's independence and how she accepts herself. I believe she is neither demon nor monster, she is a living being who deserves the happiness of having loved ones at her surroundings. Because someone who gladly accepts themselves for who they are is much more stable and happier than those who is forcing themselves to artificially change their personality when they don't really believe in it or enjoy it. Just like Tyrion said to Jon Snow: "Never forget who you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." Thanks for the video, HOMU. Also, do you want to discuss about the Sky People in the future? I'm still curious about who they are, what they want, and their purpose. Until the revelations of their origins are revealed in the future, I believe that the Sky People are enemies that much worse than the Honkai in one way or another. And don't get me started with their intentions with SR!Himeko. Whoever responsible for their creation, they are existential threat that must be eradicated, root and stem.
I always wondered why is it even important to maintain bubble universes, they are extinguished all the time, what is the point of seele essentially trapping herself there just to keep the thing stable?
Seele had been trapped in the Sea of Quanta for a long time at one point and had jumped from bubble universe to bubble universe in that time So naturally she got attached to the bubble universes that get extinguished by the Sea of Quanta Which i imagine is why she becomes a Herrscher born from the rules of the Quantum Sea instead of the Imaginary Tree
Seele is extremely good hearted. If there is one character that I can see genuinely willing to put themselves into this kind of position for strangers that live inside a Bubble Universe is her. At the end of the day, she can save a lot of human lives. Even if those people live in a Bubble Universe, they are still real people.
@@HomuLabs So in the end it's because Seele is a sweetheart, it's a fitting "end" for her to be honest, she always wanted to be strong enough for people to rely on her, having an entire universe rely on her existence must feel great for her lol.
Well people die all the time, so is it okay if some random guy just come along and kill your entire family? No big deal right, they are going to die anyway. No? Exactly the same logic.
When Timido and Carole were playing Bronya's video game in that one mini event, didn't they mention that the clearly not Selee looked a lot like an actress they watch? I mean obviously Veliona can still be Selee,
It's video game not a movie tho Bronya just can create both Seele 3D models. I mean the event have character resemble Yae Kasumi which Bronya clearly doesn't know who she is let alone Yae Sakura Edit: oh you thought that movie that Timido and Carole watched? Sorry I have not read your comment clearly, well might be the case. But why Veliona work as an actress tho? Maybe dragged by Rozalili and Kira
Seele have grown so much and feels like a complete version. I try my best to avoid chapter 38 but there are others kept on posting spoilers in chapter 38 including thumbnails. Gonna watch this later after they released it on SEA. I hope dark seele have her own body like Senti
Hope you dont mind, Homu Labs. There is also a dialogue of APHO 2 Bronya that Squad 2 leader likes to take notes and she knows about like writing some sort of stuff in her notebook like she did. That is also a reference to Seele in Seele's One Day Adventure Event. And about Dark Seele butterfly concept, Thanatos is Greek God of Death also represents butterfly.
Imaginary side completed with Kiana becoming the Imaginary Goddess, seems like it is now confirmed we are on the Quantum side. With Seele becoming the first Herrscher representing that side, I would expect Bronya to also venture back to the SoQ to gain that "Returning Hero" that Void Archives titled her in fighting against whatever that Bubble universe destroying enemy is. In that case, I can see why both Mei and Bronya in APHO are having the same long distance relationship and are waiting. Though I would assume, Bronya can actually travel to visit Seele while Mei can't visit Kiana. On another note, APHO timeline Velonia is definitely being a HSR Seele... Sassy, I like.
I am still thinking that APHO bronya is just a avatar while the real bronya exists somewhere else since by the looks the it she appears to be quite weird during APHO 2
watched till the very end… great video as always! seele is evidently my favourite character (seele pfp lol) so i’m excited about how things will proceed after chapter 38
Well... 8 years in the future. Kiana? Gone. The Herrschers? No more. Every civilian we knew until now? All dead. *The Sky People will take the Earth and tear it apart piece by piece. Your weapons will not work.* Oh, and forget about escaping with Seele, Bronya. *She's gone FOREVER.*
I will seriously be upset if she gets stuck there again. Like, seriously? Is she gonna have to go through this ALL OVER AGAIN? Not only will she be separated from Bronya once more, but she will also be all by herself without "Seele" keeping her company. I also get this nasty feeling as if Seele is getting replaced with Veliona and that she will be living her life for her, which is something I really dislike. Don't get me wrong, "Seele" deserves to have her own life, but the fact that she is getting it on account of Seele losing hers as well as everything and everyone she loves just doesn't let me appreciate it at all. It just feels.....wrong, I don't know how else to put it. Sorry for ranting about this. Truth is, I am very anxious about what may become of Seele. It reminds me of the fate of Eugeo, a character from SAO whom I really loved. Why is it that the kindest people always end up being the loneliest?
That's exactly how I feel about this. I don't follow the recent story but if Seele is really gonna trap herself in there again, it'd just be kinda.. counter productive. She wants to grow as her own person, but trapping herself in another dimension isn't the kind of character development she needs. It's like they just skip the entire "post-development" part and went straight to her "end"...
Yess, you’ve managed to word out my complicated feelings for how they’re trying to develop Seele and dark Seele as fully separate entities. Like, why must it be like this? Plus the fact Seele was literally lured-in to help solve a bubble universe’s crisis but instead became tied down with the potential of being unable to return back to the real world. It’s almost as if they’re taking advantage of Seele’s kind nature to write out another sad story. Although, APHO does give me some hope, with dark Seele potentially being the current “Seele”, her behaviour still seems to be what we are used to. As dark Seele with coping problems was shown as a possible future if Seele died, I really hope it ends with them still being able to communicate freely (or better still, can meet each other at any time but simply limited by their responsibilities) and huge cope that HoRe does have movement freedom between SoQ and real world. Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to write out my frustration on these new chapters and this place looked suitable.
@dora.c1389 I'm actually relieved to see other people feel this way as well. And yes, Seele being pushed on the responsability of a complitely unfamiliar bubble world seems really unfair. I also take issues with dark Seele being considered the "new Seele." Light Seele was the one who was actually mulling over becoming a Valkyrie and helping with poss disaster relief missions. And yet, not only does she get stuck once more in the Sea of Quanta, but also dark Seele gets to have the objective she had set for herself, even when dark Seele has never voiced any interest in this. It feels as if Veliona is taking away Seele's life instead of getting one off her own, and that feels wrong.
You've perfectly described my feelings on this. I also agree with @dora.c1389's comment on this as well. It would be so unfair and counter productive for mhy to do this with Seele. I don't want her to go through all of this bs again being stuck in the Sea of Quanta and being separated from Bronya AND separated from Veliona. I literally just can't. She was also lured into this goddamn bubble universe to help solve it's existential crisis but instead became tied down with this new sage role like literally who even asked??? Literally who???? Why did y'all(Misteln mostly is who I'm most bitter about lmfao) pull her into this mess???? I seriously hope Seele will be able to return to the real world with everyone else.
Thank you you for getting to point from another chapters🙏. Developing another chapter is slow as hell so better is analyzing further and gather all the pieces together
I love Seele too much to see her end up in the sea of quanta stuck in the bubble universe, I’m really hoping the devs won’t trap Seele far away from earth because this al ready happened to kiana and I don’t think they should or would to it again. Next to that it would make me die inside
Call me crazy but I'm actually convinced that a new herrscher from sea of quanta was an not impossible event to occur considering how it can give birth to anything. In real life as well the scientists believe that life as we know it originated from sea/ocean so I guess the Herrscher of Rebirth makes sense as such.
Can we call that entity a Herrscher tho? Aren't Herrschers some kind of projection of the Cocon of Finality? So how do you birth a Herrscher without the Cocon? Like I would understand if Seele got the Core of Death from Kiana and transformed it to the Core of Rebirth similar to what Bronya did to the Core of Reason. (I mean she already got the Stigma of Death, so she only needs the Core to be complete.)
In my opinion, since the bubble universe doesn't follow the laws of the Imaginary Tree and the 14 Herrscher, the writers can cook up however they want. Come to think of it, I only hear people who livestream this games called the red seele Velliona but I don't remember anyone in the game called her that. Hmmm? Ah well, ALL HAIL THE GREAT YATTA!
I'm back to watch the rest of the vid after playing in global. honestly there's so much revelation for a transition arc between part 1 and part 2. I'm more interested in the star rock appearance as a response to people's wish, which sounds very similar to how stellaron works in Jarilo6. the way they describe the star rock as divine prank made me think that stellaron might not be related to Nanook at all, instead it was Aha's doing. anyway I'm looking forward to your next video/stream about this chapter!
chapter 38 so confused event (and littlely disepoint for Vita), so a propably vision of futur for APHO. for the Evil "Su" can't maybe see with the model of "Vita" (so obvious). and for Seele is a vision very creepy and tragic (remember to the event "Magical quest of Teriri pour the character of Vollerei).
Nice video. I agree I think Veliona is the Captain of the second squad as well for APOH. I also have a theory that Rita and Durandal well probably aid in finding a way to stabalize the bubbleverse to bring back Seele since they have experience from their time in one and this will open the door for new battlesuits for Rita and Durandal since they would technically be up for it.
Same. Misteln wants happy ending for both bubble universe and stigma person. So Seele has to suffer like fucc I want Veliona smack both Misteln and Pronya
Well, chapter 38 was jaw dropping for sure! I'm seriously waiting and hoping for continuation of apho, 'cause mentioning sky people and foreshadowing foregoing events, totally hints hoyo probably gonna set story this way. Hm, and maybe tie it to hsr, 'cause why not? :)
As much as I think this theory makes sense from a "logical" point of vue, I don't think it does from a "storytelling" one. I'll try to explain, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not the most....attentive person when it comes to reading plot. So, the way I see Seele, is that she is still undergoing her character growth. Being able to live on her own. Sure, her being seperated with Velo makes sense, but what does being trapped (at least permanently) in SoQ bring to her character ? In my opinion, nothing. It doesnt give her plot relevance (like for exemple Himeko's death had with Kiana, it was necessary for her to grow), it doesnt make her grow, it just makes her...disappear (in the sea of butterflies) As for Velo, having Seele permanently stuck in SoQ will have some ill effect in my opinion. That will prevent her to grow, because she will probably chase her again if that's the case. And if she doesnt, then, what purpose serves a LIVING but unaccessisble Seele ? Killing her would have had the same effect, while having more sense. My own little theory on how she will return ? Seele was always a strange being. A quantum being able to manifest inside the real world. A Herscher born of that may have the same property...and apply it to what it governs. Yeah, high on copium I know. But just erasing Seele for the sake of doing it serves nothing. Or maybe she will "Decompose" then "Recompose" the bubble universe in way it can either survive on its own, or change its laws without destroying it
This may sound very dumb, VERY dumb. Like, really very dumb. But Seele is now in Her Goddess Kiana arc, She will probably stay in the Bubble Universes as the Sage, Either until She is no longer needed as the Sage, who knows what She can do there anyways? Or how the bubble universe will react to a Herrscher being the Sage? Or they (and by they I mean Tesla and the rest of the "smart team"...) find a way for Her to "be free" of the burden withou making the bubble universes collapse. It would be really cool seeing in APHO 3, both Kiana and Seele returning to everyone.
I just wanna say thanks for these videos. You are legit one reason i'm still playing. I have so little time these days, and the sometimes over bloated fluff dialog gets a bit frustrating for me. I'm interested, but I want it to get to the point. These videos are nice since I can hear what I missed while I work.
I personally believe that this is all done out of necessity, for the sake of lore, I mean they need to create some tension and possibility for continuation of the story, otherwise, if everyone went smoothly, from where the heck are they gonna breathe out the promised part two of the entire story?
can we put spoiler in the title if the chapter isn't even out on GLB? ah, nvm, it doesn't matter. I haven't even finished ch36 xD keep doing good work, bro!
.... hmm yeah it would make more sense in terms of character development to "erase" light Seele. Like the current provided solution on how to save the bubble universe don't make sense, either, as: 1) If Kiana "anchors" it, won't she be able to just make a pathway for the light Seele to return, assuming she is on that bubble universe? -> Chekhov Gun rule on not only Veliona's "mirage", but also the whole Seele Herrscher potential foreshadowing. 2) that doesn't even answer the main issue: the "Abyss" of the Sea of Quanta. So yeah, the only resolution for this part of the story, for Seele and Veliona, too, here would be by turning Seele into a Herrscher of equal strength to Kiana, but out of the Sea of Quanta. Since the nature of "sea of quanta" is basically "what doesn't exist between bubbles of what existed", Seele who was there "did not exist" and shall return to inexistence. Practically like Madoka (Madoka Magica, I mean). Seele is a Herrscher of reality-ending level, but she does not exist. "Rebirth" as in "she keeps all the leaves that fell from being eaten by the Sea of Quanta, therefore breaking the previous balance between the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta, not just that 1 bubble universe -> literally breaking the balance of the "world", between imaginary tree and sea of quanta. ps. It's kinda ridiculous since Kiana went like 5 our-time years of suffering to get there, while Seele was slowly built up under the whole story whenever they had time for her and then she suddenly turned something of similar power to Kiana, but even more magnificent lol.
What if "Sa"is somehow conected to the sky people and is something like cocoon of Finality to earth, but the sky people defeated theirs by sending it to the sea of quanta somehow
!!CH 39 SPOILER ALERT!! Ok, that didn't happend. What a chapter and and there's still one part left. Aaaaad, I think that is possible that light Seele will be on the Moon bcs she is herrsherer and can't stay on earth bcs of the CoTF and dark will go on the earth
My only gripe is that, it defeats the purpose of Bronya going through all that to save Seele just for her to be stuck again in SoQ. But, the difference is this time Seele is much stronger and also, most importantly, by her own choice. Though, i like them being separated since joining those two would just be…HSR Seele.
She's been trapped in the SOQ before so I'm confident she can come back. But I feel like it will take LONG, for her to come back this time. And I'm talking post APHO. I doubt however that the 2x1 package will remain intact.
Why would she want to stay as sage? Like...what the other Sage thought? That she will want to stay and won't stop trying to go back? To be stuck alone without Veliona and Bronya? Yeah sure, good luck, she should and will leave
It's not really about what she wants. That's one of the laws of the Bubble Universe. The Sage must stay in the Tower. It's the same reason why the Sage in Chapter 37 was so eager to get back to the Tower after she met Misteln and PROMETHEUS. If she were to leave, the entire Bubble Universe would collapse.
@@HomuLabs I meant it more that the others wanted Seele to become a sage/used her/ made decision for her and brought her there. It was certain people's decision, while Bubble Universe still could have just find,take a better Abnormal Stigmata , some other replacement,etc to fill the role of the previous sage, but of course that didn't happen because the previous sage and other people had to obviously bring Seele there and imprison her to a new fate. At least Kiana made the decision herself, not like Seele. Also, Kiana's stay on the moon isn't undefined/permanent/forever like Seele's as sage. Kiana can still communicate with Earth, has internet, etc., and she knows that she can return in time.
I feel like the future veliona saw was real and someone is going to overpower seele (herrscher of rebirth) and end her and in that case I’ll end up quitting! I cant do honkai without seele
I watched the Spoiler part of the Video, so im gonna give my opinion on it in this comment. This means Spoilers if you tap "Read more"! Okay, I believe I can imagine what Hoyo is going for with this. If I remember correctly, Veliona has previously once or twice excerted a form of the wish to be more Human. Now that she saw that "grim" future of Selee being gone and Veliona taking her Place to fool everyone, exactly because she saw that, if it were to happen, she wouldnt fool everyone, but she would be herself as a form of attempting of not letting that Future happen as she saw it. That, in terms, makes Veliona more Human, as Humans strife to change their fate if they knew what would happen to them and they dislike it. Would also be very Hoyo to "sacrifice" a Character so that another can fulfill their Dreams and Aspirations.
Personally i would assume and think that the new big bad is probably the sky people themselves cause they are an entity who can rid of honkai entirely and can travel through different universes
Thank you for the video! Veliona acting and pretending to be Seele would be pretty F up, but lets be honest, it would not be the first time hoyo do something f up... I am looking at you two Otto and Mobius and almost all of your life choices. nooooooooo, Viiiiittaaaaaaaaa, I liked her :(
In my opinion this theory of seele became into a new sage and velionna became the new "seele" is concerning possible, but i hope not also if velionna became the new seele in apho im sure she and bronya are trying to find a way to save the original seele somehow and i say this because one thing, the duality. seele is always be relationship with this concept, i mean seele and velionna, the way they change the control of the body,etc specially when in some religions the death is represented by two beings, one want the people accept the death by his own will and the other one wanna send the people to the afterlife by own will or not even by force if is necessary, in other words i think velionna must find a way for her and seele still coexisting as always. This probably is wrong and maybe will gonna lose seele forever but hey at least i try to be optimist even with this dark and grimm prediction velionna have....
I mean... If her existence is anchrored like Kiana did before to the bridge of the moon bubble... That was pretty much what happened in that CG where Vita is going *poof*, she is being disconnectd by some being that have the power to anchor to the bubble worlds, as well as destroy them... There's also a bridge near her at the end.
Really shot myself in the foot ignoring that spoiler warning... Oh well, time to ignore that I watched this. Now where did I put that Fenghuang Down...
I'm sorry to hear that! I really don't like to talk about CN stuff unless I absolutely have to. I hate that we are 4 weeks behind. If I would've waited for Ch 38 to be out on GLB, Ch 39 would've been out in CN and the discussion would've been irrelevant by that time.
@@HomuLabs It's alright. If anything it's a true testament to storytelling for making people hungry for what comes next. I've honestly been fine with all of the spoilers, but if I had known that there was gonna be existential angst? I would have clicked away immediately. Truly a "my bad" moment. Thanks for the video though, it was very entertaining!
When you mentioned "Female Kalpas" I suddenly remembered the list of leaked characters in HSR, that there are two characters named as "Female Kalpas" and "Male Kalpas". Which leads me to think two things, or is just concepts that were leaked or that they are planning to bring two different version fo the same character in the game, but that it would be optional to get one.
just wanted to know your opinion, if red seele will become a herrscher of death in future or not?... as the blue seele has beome herrscher of rebirth (life and death) whose herrscher sign is different from red seele's herrscher sign which is related to herrscher of death. man if red seele gets herrscher of death battlesuit then i am so hyped and excited to see how her gameplay and overall design would be, it'll be pretty cool and awesome i bet!!!
Hey, I know this video is a year old, bu, I had a question (also I know this is long bu I'm really curious hope thas okay TnT ), so, how exactly does the abyss flower work?, where does the flower part come from? I always thought the herrschers of death and life were 2 different herrschers and so the flower came from the herrscher of life bu, I recently realized the whole herrscher of death being the herrscher of life aswell thing an so, I'm confused cause, they talk about the abyss flower like the abyss lance and flower lance? are different items like they both hab a different power source, I mean the abyss is a separate weapon eben so, I'm confused, also thanks for the video I'm enjoying it so far an thanks if you read this, id appreciate a answer if you know, I'm really intrigued by this as the abyss flower I find cool an seele, especially rebirth seele an nyx seele
I think there's no way Bronya doesn't tell the difference between Seele and Veli. Also the Pinocchio allegory is super interesting because it implies that Seele was always one person. And much like Abnormal Stigma 14 & 15, one Seele was born from the desires of the other. My guess is Seele created Veli ti protect her heart and mind. I also think that Seele can just reunite and fuse with Veli. Unless Veli absorbs Seele's soul or something I don't think she can be exactly like Seele. Bronya, Fu Hua, Senti, Mei (50/50), and Kiana would notice.
I think Seele will survive while Veliona will become her own entity.(Since HoRB ability is manipulation of life and death) also Selee being on Kianas lv makes me happy since i low her.
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Do you think that Seele will return?
@reneko Seele isn't a shadow of finality, she's a quantum Herrcher rather than Imaginary which means her existence isn't bound to Kiana. If anything Seele is her own "cocoon" and that's probably part of the problem. "anchored universes"...so Earth as we know it included are primarily imaginary energy based and so reject large amounts Quantum energy (much the same as most normal people can't exist for long in the quantum sea).
Seele was already a strange case being a pure quantum existence but being able to maintain herself on earth just fine, it's possible that as a Herrcher she'll loose this and essentially become incompatible with "leaves on the tree" due to just being far too much of a quantum conduit.
@renekoSeele isn't a normal herrscher nor she doesn't have a core in the first place at least from what it shows so far and bronya can still transform into HoTr
If she comes back, it will be Dark Seele "Veliona" mission to bring her back.
Well i would say there are 2 cases on what could happen
1. Seele cannot come back even if she can manifest herself into the real world and can maintain it. Because she is an Quantum being connected to the sea of quanta but it is strange that she can maintain herself in the real world even if she is an "Counter part" to the imaginary tree. but she cannot leave because she needs to stay in the bubble universe to hold it stable as the sage.
2. this one is short. Because she is an herrscher that was born in the sea of quanta and because if that she has no core and that means then she has no connection to the cocoon of finality (Kiana) and that means then she cannot leave the sea of quanta because the real world is binded to the imaginary tree what means that she is not capable the manifest herself because the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are like "counters" to each other.
even if Seele can as an quantum beeing maintain herself before she turned into an herrscher, it can happend that she lose that abillity because she is now to close connected to the sea of quanta but if she can, the first reason would be then an problem
(Maybe Veliona/Dark seele was the reason she could maintain herself in the real world but i dont think so because i readed to much Honkai lore and Honkai gauken lore/GGZ lore)
@@dracotiassorry this might sound dumb but isn't Seele originally from Earth? Her being trapped in the Sea of Quanta for a long time, made her a pure quantum being?
So she disappeared among a sea of butterflies?
She's now an illusion of the past?
God damn it
Oh flummery...
she’s an “underworlder” with “insurgence” even in hi3.
genuinely die
Dam 🪦
Bronya then: saved Seele from the Sea of Quanta
Bronya now: watches Seele become one with the Sea of Quanta
bronya: AM I A JOKE TO YOU
Bronya should either remain there in the sea of quanta with seele (for clarification i hate how they did bronya in APHO) or they should just merge into one
It's a Mei/Kiana parallel ;-;
Its like before, mei didn't want kiana to die, so she joined world serpent,but in the end,she accepted that kiana is the only one who can save the universe so instead of stopping her,she support her.
Seele took bronyas role for experiment because shes the one who has higher adaptability due to her stigmata, but get lost. Bronya saved her,but seeing that this time,if seele has to sacrifice herself to save the sea, bronya then accept it ajd support her decision, still kinda sad, both pair didn't get the happiness in the long run😂
Bronya: i'm starting to think that Otto guy was onto something...
welp i guess her days of bronya oone--chan -ning are over...
Female Kalpas would have enough cake to open an entire bakery franchise.
She would probably be the definition of bakery
The original already does
Female Kalpas would be Hi3’s Kafka in popularity, i want to see it
I just imagine Kevin have a harem...
Do u mean Female Su
What if Dark Seele aka Veliona is actually Squad 2 Leader and her mission is finding a way to bring back Seele to real world? Maybe Einstein and Tesla are working on something about the Sea of Quanta so Seele can travel between realms but she can be the Sage while she's in the real world too.
APHO3!!!
@@atuasaysnope That's probably not happening
You mean squad 1 leader cause squad 2 is bronya and squad 3 is mei
@@everettjoseph6189 Bronya isn't part of schicksal anymore and she's only the acting squad leader
@@PhoenixBirb didn't someone mention cover/concept art in the next art book
Damn.. I just wanted Seele to have a happy end with her Bronya-oneechan.
Whenever we get too comfortable mihoyo's head pops up like "hey, remember me?" lol
Your explanation about Dark Seele identity crisis is the best part of this video. It was explain perfectly.
But I can't go through Chapter 38 spoiler. that first spoiler scene already gave me heart attack.
It's always better to play it for yourself than be spoiled in a video. The Chapter is crazy! Hope you'll enjoy it! :D
@@HomuLabs dear Homulabs, if you already playing HSR-Luocha's character story, then you know that there is a cut scene taken from APHO-HI3, and many peopla got confused! Now we need Homulabs to help clearing those confusion! 😀
5:14 Like actually the Herrscher Of Death can manipulate Life And Death and it’s ability to heal and decompose is only a part/aspect of its Authority
I honestly just want them to become one again, I don't want to lose either of my girls!
Same like I hate it when hoyo make these bad decision
@@0lycm_I'm sorry bro but just cause u don't like something, doesn't mean it's a "bad decision".
@@dankmemer6576 why you malding here?
@@0lycm_ I'm not tho?? Where u getting malding from?
@@0lycm_ you're the one malding tho?
The couples are always separated in Honkai.... TT
While it is sad I hope they can still meet each other from time to time
Imagine going to a place that can disintegrate your body into atoms just to see your girlfriend
I mean, I haven't caught up with how determined Bronya can be, but I doubt that that'll ever happen
I feel that Veliona will try to pretend to be Seele in the beginning because her identity crisis would be at its worst after seele is trapped in the bubble universe. Overtime people like Bronya will notice this change in Seele(Veliona) and will comfort her. Then Veliona will fully accept Seele’s wishes and eventually get used her new role, then just being herself rather than pretending to be Seele. I think Seele won’t be able to fully return, but she will be able to be in the real world somehow. Since the sage can’t leave the bubble universe, I guess that Seele might be able to use Veliona’s body(Seele), her original body as a avatar, transferring her consciousness. Though this is very unlikely. But it’s hard to know what Hoyoverse is thinking, like they could just add new lore, for Seele to somehow be able to leave the bubble universe. Another theory will be Kiana will play a role after she masters her powers on the moon, which could be the most likely scenario. Somehow being able to bring Seele back.
Because the strongest power is plot armour.
Here's my opinion, but to make it easier I will call Light Seele "Seele" and Dark Seele "Veliona".
To be fair if Seele dies won't that make the Bubble Universe Unstable? I do think Seele will be alive but she will have to stay in the Bubble Universe, according to most of the fan translations, Seele will took the Sage's Body while Veliona took Seele's old body.
I also agreed that Veliona will continue in the real world as a Valkyrie and still trained under Mei. Considering Mei knew the personality of the real Squad 2 Leader in APHO (Bronya is an acting squad leader.)
I wonder what headache that Mei will get after teaching Veliona since without Seele she's equivalent as B rank Valkyrie in term of team synergy
Especially since Mei and both Seele doesn't know each other that well and only work together a bit on Project STIGMA disaster
Maybe she become some sort of strict teacher when trained Carole after Veliona
@@muhamadrizkyananda. She meets Timido in that dream illusion of the future self
What I have learnt is that Misteln is rapidly climbing up my list of most disliked characters. She just happily plays with people's lives with a smile on her face and faux-empathy. Don't get me wrong. She's a brilliantly written sociopath. I guess with our Lord and Saviour, the Magnificent Bastard Otto, now gone, Mihoyo need to put some groundwork in place to write someone for all of us to dislike immensely. She strikes me as an up-and-coming Villainess of Honkai and they're doing a good job of it.
She remind me greatly to HSR Kafka
Even her dynamic with both Bronya-face is kinda similar
I'm not rlly caught up with the latest chapters of the story? Why do you see Hare as a villain?
bro I'm with you about this. Stigma Problem affected by World Serpent but Seele have to be stucked there like wth let that bubble universe dies...
She's a really good character but good doesn't necessarily mean likeable.
Personally on the fence with her, but I guess we'll see
I'm start to think that the current story arc is dedicated to Dark Seele, learning about accepting herself as she is without anyone making fun of her. Just like you said, while Dark Seele is rowdy and sadistic, turns out that she has some existential issues that persists, even until the early days of the post-Honkai era. As for their relationship, I agree that in the past, both Seeles are dependent at each other. But as the time passes, they need to be independent on their own. It's not wrong to rely on others, but you need to apply the life lesson from the person who taught you in your own. People need a balance between dependence and independence on certain things we cherish for. Too much independence can make blind to your surroundings that will develop into pride, and too much relying on others will hinder your development.
At the end of the day, what's matter the most is Dark Seele's independence and how she accepts herself. I believe she is neither demon nor monster, she is a living being who deserves the happiness of having loved ones at her surroundings. Because someone who gladly accepts themselves for who they are is much more stable and happier than those who is forcing themselves to artificially change their personality when they don't really believe in it or enjoy it.
Just like Tyrion said to Jon Snow: "Never forget who you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."
Thanks for the video, HOMU. Also, do you want to discuss about the Sky People in the future? I'm still curious about who they are, what they want, and their purpose. Until the revelations of their origins are revealed in the future, I believe that the Sky People are enemies that much worse than the Honkai in one way or another. And don't get me started with their intentions with SR!Himeko. Whoever responsible for their creation, they are existential threat that must be eradicated, root and stem.
I always wondered why is it even important to maintain bubble universes, they are extinguished all the time, what is the point of seele essentially trapping herself there just to keep the thing stable?
Seele had been trapped in the Sea of Quanta for a long time at one point and had jumped from bubble universe to bubble universe in that time
So naturally she got attached to the bubble universes that get extinguished by the Sea of Quanta
Which i imagine is why she becomes a Herrscher born from the rules of the Quantum Sea instead of the Imaginary Tree
Same answer to the real world question; Why save anyone when everyone is going to die anyway?
Seele is extremely good hearted. If there is one character that I can see genuinely willing to put themselves into this kind of position for strangers that live inside a Bubble Universe is her. At the end of the day, she can save a lot of human lives. Even if those people live in a Bubble Universe, they are still real people.
@@HomuLabs So in the end it's because Seele is a sweetheart, it's a fitting "end" for her to be honest, she always wanted to be strong enough for people to rely on her, having an entire universe rely on her existence must feel great for her lol.
Well people die all the time, so is it okay if some random guy just come along and kill your entire family? No big deal right, they are going to die anyway. No? Exactly the same logic.
When Timido and Carole were playing Bronya's video game in that one mini event, didn't they mention that the clearly not Selee looked a lot like an actress they watch? I mean obviously Veliona can still be Selee,
It's video game not a movie tho
Bronya just can create both Seele 3D models.
I mean the event have character resemble Yae Kasumi which Bronya clearly doesn't know who she is let alone Yae Sakura
Edit: oh you thought that movie that Timido and Carole watched? Sorry I have not read your comment clearly, well might be the case. But why Veliona work as an actress tho? Maybe dragged by Rozalili and Kira
Seele have grown so much and feels like a complete version. I try my best to avoid chapter 38 but there are others kept on posting spoilers in chapter 38 including thumbnails. Gonna watch this later after they released it on SEA. I hope dark seele have her own body like Senti
Everyone's reaction to Vita: "Oh she's so cute and cool and... waaaait, haven't i seen you before lady?" (Me included, i love the SUs lady).
Hope you dont mind, Homu Labs. There is also a dialogue of APHO 2 Bronya that Squad 2 leader likes to take notes and she knows about like writing some sort of stuff in her notebook like she did.
That is also a reference to Seele in Seele's One Day Adventure Event.
And about Dark Seele butterfly concept, Thanatos is Greek God of Death also represents butterfly.
thanks for the recap and thoughts,
I'll be back to watch the rest of this video after the chapter comes out.
Yeah I agree that Seele is probably going to stay in the bubble universe to be their Sage.
nah imma watch this after chapter 38 release to SEA server, i love the story that much
I think it's incredibly poetic for Seele, who was trapped in there for years, to stay by choice; but Mihoyo give the poor cinnamon roll a break. 😢
Imaginary side completed with Kiana becoming the Imaginary Goddess, seems like it is now confirmed we are on the Quantum side.
With Seele becoming the first Herrscher representing that side, I would expect Bronya to also venture back to the SoQ to gain that "Returning Hero" that Void Archives titled her in fighting against whatever that Bubble universe destroying enemy is.
In that case, I can see why both Mei and Bronya in APHO are having the same long distance relationship and are waiting. Though I would assume, Bronya can actually travel to visit Seele while Mei can't visit Kiana.
On another note, APHO timeline Velonia is definitely being a HSR Seele... Sassy, I like.
I am still thinking that APHO bronya is just a avatar while the real bronya exists somewhere else since by the looks the it she appears to be quite weird during APHO 2
watched till the very end… great video as always! seele is evidently my favourite character (seele pfp lol) so i’m excited about how things will proceed after chapter 38
Well... 8 years in the future. Kiana? Gone. The Herrschers? No more. Every civilian we knew until now? All dead. *The Sky People will take the Earth and tear it apart piece by piece. Your weapons will not work.*
Oh, and forget about escaping with Seele, Bronya. *She's gone FOREVER.*
I will seriously be upset if she gets stuck there again. Like, seriously? Is she gonna have to go through this ALL OVER AGAIN?
Not only will she be separated from Bronya once more, but she will also be all by herself without "Seele" keeping her company.
I also get this nasty feeling as if Seele is getting replaced with Veliona and that she will be living her life for her, which is something I really dislike. Don't get me wrong, "Seele" deserves to have her own life, but the fact that she is getting it on account of Seele losing hers as well as everything and everyone she loves just doesn't let me appreciate it at all. It just feels.....wrong, I don't know how else to put it.
Sorry for ranting about this. Truth is, I am very anxious about what may become of Seele. It reminds me of the fate of Eugeo, a character from SAO whom I really loved. Why is it that the kindest people always end up being the loneliest?
That's exactly how I feel about this. I don't follow the recent story but if Seele is really gonna trap herself in there again, it'd just be kinda.. counter productive. She wants to grow as her own person, but trapping herself in another dimension isn't the kind of character development she needs. It's like they just skip the entire "post-development" part and went straight to her "end"...
Yess, you’ve managed to word out my complicated feelings for how they’re trying to develop Seele and dark Seele as fully separate entities. Like, why must it be like this? Plus the fact Seele was literally lured-in to help solve a bubble universe’s crisis but instead became tied down with the potential of being unable to return back to the real world. It’s almost as if they’re taking advantage of Seele’s kind nature to write out another sad story. Although, APHO does give me some hope, with dark Seele potentially being the current “Seele”, her behaviour still seems to be what we are used to. As dark Seele with coping problems was shown as a possible future if Seele died, I really hope it ends with them still being able to communicate freely (or better still, can meet each other at any time but simply limited by their responsibilities) and huge cope that HoRe does have movement freedom between SoQ and real world.
Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to write out my frustration on these new chapters and this place looked suitable.
@dora.c1389 I'm actually relieved to see other people feel this way as well.
And yes, Seele being pushed on the responsability of a complitely unfamiliar bubble world seems really unfair.
I also take issues with dark Seele being considered the "new Seele." Light Seele was the one who was actually mulling over becoming a Valkyrie and helping with poss disaster relief missions. And yet, not only does she get stuck once more in the Sea of Quanta, but also dark Seele gets to have the objective she had set for herself, even when dark Seele has never voiced any interest in this. It feels as if Veliona is taking away Seele's life instead of getting one off her own, and that feels wrong.
You've perfectly described my feelings on this. I also agree with @dora.c1389's comment on this as well. It would be so unfair and counter productive for mhy to do this with Seele. I don't want her to go through all of this bs again being stuck in the Sea of Quanta and being separated from Bronya AND separated from Veliona. I literally just can't.
She was also lured into this goddamn bubble universe to help solve it's existential crisis but instead became tied down with this new sage role like literally who even asked??? Literally who???? Why did y'all(Misteln mostly is who I'm most bitter about lmfao) pull her into this mess???? I seriously hope Seele will be able to return to the real world with everyone else.
Sound like something that i always remember Pure good and Pure bad can't survive long enough like someone who in da middle.
Thank you you for getting to point from another chapters🙏. Developing another chapter is slow as hell so better is analyzing further and gather all the pieces together
This is probably spoilers for chapter 37 and I havent played it yet, so I will watch the video later
Homu always coming out with quality content, thank you!
I love Seele too much to see her end up in the sea of quanta stuck in the bubble universe, I’m really hoping the devs won’t trap Seele far away from earth because this al ready happened to kiana and I don’t think they should or would to it again. Next to that it would make me die inside
Call me crazy but I'm actually convinced that a new herrscher from sea of quanta was an not impossible event to occur considering how it can give birth to anything. In real life as well the scientists believe that life as we know it originated from sea/ocean so I guess the Herrscher of Rebirth makes sense as such.
Can we call that entity a Herrscher tho? Aren't Herrschers some kind of projection of the Cocon of Finality? So how do you birth a Herrscher without the Cocon?
Like I would understand if Seele got the Core of Death from Kiana and transformed it to the Core of Rebirth similar to what Bronya did to the Core of Reason. (I mean she already got the Stigma of Death, so she only needs the Core to be complete.)
In my opinion, since the bubble universe doesn't follow the laws of the Imaginary Tree and the 14 Herrscher, the writers can cook up however they want.
Come to think of it, I only hear people who livestream this games called the red seele Velliona but I don't remember anyone in the game called her that. Hmmm?
Ah well, ALL HAIL THE GREAT YATTA!
Afaik Veliona is not a canon name. Dunno where it originates from though. She was always called Seele.
@@Phapchamp The devs called her Veliona in the character preview for Starcasm Nyx
I'm back to watch the rest of the vid after playing in global. honestly there's so much revelation for a transition arc between part 1 and part 2. I'm more interested in the star rock appearance as a response to people's wish, which sounds very similar to how stellaron works in Jarilo6. the way they describe the star rock as divine prank made me think that stellaron might not be related to Nanook at all, instead it was Aha's doing. anyway I'm looking forward to your next video/stream about this chapter!
chapter 38 so confused event (and littlely disepoint for Vita), so a propably vision of futur for APHO. for the Evil "Su" can't maybe see with the model of "Vita" (so obvious). and for Seele is a vision very creepy and tragic (remember to the event "Magical quest of Teriri pour the character of Vollerei).
Nice video. I agree I think Veliona is the Captain of the second squad as well for APOH. I also have a theory that Rita and Durandal well probably aid in finding a way to stabalize the bubbleverse to bring back Seele since they have experience from their time in one and this will open the door for new battlesuits for Rita and Durandal since they would technically be up for it.
stop everything, Gladys canceled my 4 o'clock appointment, Homu uploaded a video!!
misteln and prometheus earned a spot on my shit list and never leaving it now
Same. Misteln wants happy ending for both bubble universe and stigma person. So Seele has to suffer like fucc I want Veliona smack both Misteln and Pronya
Ah yes Honkai Impact 3rd, the game where Valkyries die a lot and the captains just sit and watch (and cry :_;)
The bubble universe wasn't in chaos until Svaha or Su (The Abyss of the Sea) randomly create a the country of Iron Sand on top of the Holy City.
Very good video as always Homu! Hope to see more of your amazing videos soon!
Well, chapter 38 was jaw dropping for sure!
I'm seriously waiting and hoping for continuation of apho, 'cause mentioning sky people and foreshadowing foregoing events, totally hints hoyo probably gonna set story this way. Hm, and maybe tie it to hsr, 'cause why not? :)
As much as I think this theory makes sense from a "logical" point of vue, I don't think it does from a "storytelling" one.
I'll try to explain, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not the most....attentive person when it comes to reading plot.
So, the way I see Seele, is that she is still undergoing her character growth. Being able to live on her own. Sure, her being seperated with Velo makes sense, but what does being trapped (at least permanently) in SoQ bring to her character ?
In my opinion, nothing. It doesnt give her plot relevance (like for exemple Himeko's death had with Kiana, it was necessary for her to grow), it doesnt make her grow, it just makes her...disappear (in the sea of butterflies)
As for Velo, having Seele permanently stuck in SoQ will have some ill effect in my opinion. That will prevent her to grow, because she will probably chase her again if that's the case. And if she doesnt, then, what purpose serves a LIVING but unaccessisble Seele ? Killing her would have had the same effect, while having more sense.
My own little theory on how she will return ?
Seele was always a strange being. A quantum being able to manifest inside the real world. A Herscher born of that may have the same property...and apply it to what it governs.
Yeah, high on copium I know. But just erasing Seele for the sake of doing it serves nothing.
Or maybe she will "Decompose" then "Recompose" the bubble universe in way it can either survive on its own, or change its laws without destroying it
hmm Veliona being the one outside will definitely be funny, her interactions are pretty hilarious....
btw where's that outro music from again?
This may sound very dumb, VERY dumb.
Like, really very dumb.
But Seele is now in Her Goddess Kiana arc, She will probably stay in the Bubble Universes as the Sage, Either until She is no longer needed as the Sage, who knows what She can do there anyways? Or how the bubble universe will react to a Herrscher being the Sage?
Or they (and by they I mean Tesla and the rest of the "smart team"...) find a way for Her to "be free" of the burden withou making the bubble universes collapse.
It would be really cool seeing in APHO 3, both Kiana and Seele returning to everyone.
If both of them show up in APHO they will get the timido or bronya treatment
I just wanna say thanks for these videos. You are legit one reason i'm still playing. I have so little time these days, and the sometimes over bloated fluff dialog gets a bit frustrating for me. I'm interested, but I want it to get to the point. These videos are nice since I can hear what I missed while I work.
THANK GOODNESS I SAW THE 1ST SPOILER COMING 🙊 THE WARNING IS REAL. Great video can't wait to play ch38 to see the whole thing!
I personally believe that this is all done out of necessity, for the sake of lore,
I mean they need to create some tension and possibility for continuation of the story, otherwise, if everyone went smoothly, from where the heck are they gonna breathe out the promised part two of the entire story?
can we put spoiler in the title if the chapter isn't even out on GLB?
ah, nvm, it doesn't matter. I haven't even finished ch36 xD keep doing good work, bro!
.... hmm yeah it would make more sense in terms of character development to "erase" light Seele.
Like the current provided solution on how to save the bubble universe don't make sense, either, as:
1) If Kiana "anchors" it, won't she be able to just make a pathway for the light Seele to return, assuming she is on that bubble universe? -> Chekhov Gun rule on not only Veliona's "mirage", but also the whole Seele Herrscher potential foreshadowing.
2) that doesn't even answer the main issue: the "Abyss" of the Sea of Quanta.
So yeah, the only resolution for this part of the story, for Seele and Veliona, too, here would be by turning Seele into a Herrscher of equal strength to Kiana, but out of the Sea of Quanta.
Since the nature of "sea of quanta" is basically "what doesn't exist between bubbles of what existed", Seele who was there "did not exist" and shall return to inexistence.
Practically like Madoka (Madoka Magica, I mean). Seele is a Herrscher of reality-ending level, but she does not exist. "Rebirth" as in "she keeps all the leaves that fell from being eaten by the Sea of Quanta, therefore breaking the previous balance between the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta, not just that 1 bubble universe -> literally breaking the balance of the "world", between imaginary tree and sea of quanta.
ps. It's kinda ridiculous since Kiana went like 5 our-time years of suffering to get there, while Seele was slowly built up under the whole story whenever they had time for her and then she suddenly turned something of similar power to Kiana, but even more magnificent lol.
What if "Sa"is somehow conected to the sky people and is something like cocoon of Finality to earth, but the sky people defeated theirs by sending it to the sea of quanta somehow
!!CH 39 SPOILER ALERT!!
Ok, that didn't happend. What a chapter and and there's still one part left. Aaaaad, I think that is possible that light Seele will be on the Moon bcs she is herrsherer and can't stay on earth bcs of the CoTF and dark will go on the earth
"if you dont mind the spoiler, please continue."
and then the youtube proceed to give me ad.
Well this aged well… All a lie
*Banger video*
I sure hope senti gets an upgrade sometime into a full dps since seele is kinda taking her spot as phys supp
My only gripe is that, it defeats the purpose of Bronya going through all that to save Seele just for her to be stuck again in SoQ. But, the difference is this time Seele is much stronger and also, most importantly, by her own choice.
Though, i like them being separated since joining those two would just be…HSR Seele.
She's been trapped in the SOQ before so I'm confident she can come back. But I feel like it will take LONG, for her to come back this time. And I'm talking post APHO. I doubt however that the 2x1 package will remain intact.
Why would she want to stay as sage?
Like...what the other Sage thought? That she will want to stay and won't stop trying to go back?
To be stuck alone without Veliona and Bronya?
Yeah sure, good luck, she should and will leave
It's not really about what she wants. That's one of the laws of the Bubble Universe. The Sage must stay in the Tower. It's the same reason why the Sage in Chapter 37 was so eager to get back to the Tower after she met Misteln and PROMETHEUS. If she were to leave, the entire Bubble Universe would collapse.
@@HomuLabs I meant it more that the others wanted Seele to become a sage/used her/ made decision for her and brought her there.
It was certain people's decision, while Bubble Universe still could have just find,take a better Abnormal Stigmata , some other replacement,etc to fill the role of the previous sage, but of course that didn't happen because the previous sage and other people had to obviously bring Seele there and imprison her to a new fate.
At least Kiana made the decision herself, not like Seele.
Also, Kiana's stay on the moon isn't undefined/permanent/forever like Seele's as sage. Kiana can still communicate with Earth, has internet, etc., and she knows that she can return in time.
I feel like the future veliona saw was real and someone is going to overpower seele (herrscher of rebirth) and end her and in that case I’ll end up quitting! I cant do honkai without seele
My daughter...my first main...noooo.....
I watched the Spoiler part of the Video, so im gonna give my opinion on it in this comment. This means Spoilers if you tap "Read more"!
Okay, I believe I can imagine what Hoyo is going for with this. If I remember correctly, Veliona has previously once or twice excerted a form of the wish to be more Human. Now that she saw that "grim" future of Selee being gone and Veliona taking her Place to fool everyone, exactly because she saw that, if it were to happen, she wouldnt fool everyone, but she would be herself as a form of attempting of not letting that Future happen as she saw it. That, in terms, makes Veliona more Human, as Humans strife to change their fate if they knew what would happen to them and they dislike it. Would also be very Hoyo to "sacrifice" a Character so that another can fulfill their Dreams and Aspirations.
Personally i would assume and think that the new big bad is probably the sky people themselves cause they are an entity who can rid of honkai entirely and can travel through different universes
Thank you for the video!
Veliona acting and pretending to be Seele would be pretty F up, but lets be honest, it would not be the first time hoyo do something f up... I am looking at you two Otto and Mobius and almost all of your life choices.
nooooooooo, Viiiiittaaaaaaaaa, I liked her :(
In my opinion this theory of seele became into a new sage and velionna became the new "seele" is concerning possible, but i hope not also if velionna became the new seele in apho im sure she and bronya are trying to find a way to save the original seele somehow and i say this because one thing, the duality. seele is always be relationship with this concept, i mean seele and velionna, the way they change the control of the body,etc specially when in some religions the death is represented by two beings, one want the people accept the death by his own will and the other one wanna send the people to the afterlife by own will or not even by force if is necessary, in other words i think velionna must find a way for her and seele still coexisting as always.
This probably is wrong and maybe will gonna lose seele forever but hey at least i try to be optimist even with this dark and grimm prediction velionna have....
From just the title, I think I got spoiled already, lmao
Muito bom o vídeo, obrigado por esclarecer muitas de minhas dúvidas // Very good video, thanks for clarifying many of my doubts
Mb this new "Villain" is the same entity Su encountered in the manga after his death?
Now that would be an interesting twist!
Fun fact : im pretty sure the abyss of the sea of Quanta is the evil fem Su😅
We're in the SUception Era.
I mean... If her existence is anchrored like Kiana did before to the bridge of the moon bubble... That was pretty much what happened in that CG where Vita is going *poof*, she is being disconnectd by some being that have the power to anchor to the bubble worlds, as well as destroy them... There's also a bridge near her at the end.
Really shot myself in the foot ignoring that spoiler warning... Oh well, time to ignore that I watched this. Now where did I put that Fenghuang Down...
I'm sorry to hear that! I really don't like to talk about CN stuff unless I absolutely have to. I hate that we are 4 weeks behind. If I would've waited for Ch 38 to be out on GLB, Ch 39 would've been out in CN and the discussion would've been irrelevant by that time.
@@HomuLabs It's alright. If anything it's a true testament to storytelling for making people hungry for what comes next.
I've honestly been fine with all of the spoilers, but if I had known that there was gonna be existential angst? I would have clicked away immediately. Truly a "my bad" moment.
Thanks for the video though, it was very entertaining!
Seele's name is also similar to seirei (精霊) which means spirit/departed soul in Japanese
We had this charade multiple times before, and nothing really changed anyways. Not dead, will come back - moving on.
A-at least she didn't die... Well... My psychiatrist is still getting a raise... My baby...
Maybe veliona can return to the main universe and seele stays, still linked so people can come visit her
When you mentioned "Female Kalpas" I suddenly remembered the list of leaked characters in HSR, that there are two characters named as "Female Kalpas" and "Male Kalpas".
Which leads me to think two things, or is just concepts that were leaked or that they are planning to bring two different version fo the same character in the game, but that it would be optional to get one.
Doesn't it refer to Caelus and Stelle as a joke?
@@muhamadrizkyanandaI don't know really, since what I have seen were Leaks, not jokes.
just wanted to know your opinion, if red seele will become a herrscher of death in future or not?... as the blue seele has beome herrscher of rebirth (life and death) whose herrscher sign is different from red seele's herrscher sign which is related to herrscher of death.
man if red seele gets herrscher of death battlesuit then i am so hyped and excited to see how her gameplay and overall design would be, it'll be pretty cool and awesome i bet!!!
Hey, I know this video is a year old, bu, I had a question (also I know this is long bu I'm really curious hope thas okay TnT ), so, how exactly does the abyss flower work?, where does the flower part come from? I always thought the herrschers of death and life were 2 different herrschers and so the flower came from the herrscher of life bu, I recently realized the whole herrscher of death being the herrscher of life aswell thing an so, I'm confused cause, they talk about the abyss flower like the abyss lance and flower lance? are different items like they both hab a different power source, I mean the abyss is a separate weapon eben so, I'm confused, also thanks for the video I'm enjoying it so far an thanks if you read this, id appreciate a answer if you know, I'm really intrigued by this as the abyss flower I find cool an seele, especially rebirth seele an nyx seele
So...what that lovely hand near Eye of the deep then wait for like 10+ patch now?
like and subscribed,, waiting for more seele explanations
seele promised to be together with bronya. i think something gonna happen
Seele no please dont die and dont stay at sea of quanta go to bronya please hoyo dont do it to me
Bronya onee-chan~!
Naaah, If Veliona after her return to the real world wouldn't change Seele's style immediately, I will be disappointed 😂
it's ture the both seele need some freedom and accept for being their self will growing up and for seele to awaken her self and form😭✨👍
Yoshie and nanuk 💀😂
I think there's no way Bronya doesn't tell the difference between Seele and Veli.
Also the Pinocchio allegory is super interesting because it implies that Seele was always one person. And much like Abnormal Stigma 14 & 15, one Seele was born from the desires of the other.
My guess is Seele created Veli ti protect her heart and mind. I also think that Seele can just reunite and fuse with Veli. Unless Veli absorbs Seele's soul or something I don't think she can be exactly like Seele.
Bronya, Fu Hua, Senti, Mei (50/50), and Kiana would notice.
Bronya already knows about veli during the HoDom arc
A new Herrscher from the Sea of Quanta.... Doesn't that contradict with the Herrscher lore and their connection to the Imaginary Tree?
Comment from the future seele didn't become part of the sea. She became the sea itself
She's more than ok now
I think Seele will survive while Veliona will become her own entity.(Since HoRB ability is manipulation of life and death)
also Selee being on Kianas lv makes me happy since i low her.
and both need personality❤
Spoiler ale-....oh no
Goddamnit he was right
Are you sure about that
Im done trying to understand hi3
Yes great cinnamon roll growth is good, but how is Senti going to be resolved???!!
Ask bronya to give her a body
6:32 lol "corection"
Slipped the "r". In my native language the word is spelled similarly but with a single "r", so I instinctively wrote it like that.
Wow thanks
bro I'm going to have to pay a psychologist Now that I know I'm not going to see Seele anymore
i think they can just visit her no ?
0:06
Dude, I want to learn about the lore but 38 chapters!? Man I don't have time to play through 8 years of content :(