US Constellation Class Frigate vs Chinese Type 054B Frigate (Naval Battle 128) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
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Today's naval battle is between a flotilla of America's latest ships; the Constellation class Guided Frigate and China's equivilent Type 054B Frigate.
Expect SM-2, SM-6, ESSM, and Naval Strike Missile vs HHQ-10, HHQ-16FE and YJ-12 Missiles. Who has the best frigate?
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The US Constellation Class Frigate is essentially a baby Arleigh Burke destroyer.
Smartest move the Navy did in a while. Would have been better to get them earlier instead of the waste on the LCS program.
I have a far better idea. I keep trying to clue these guys to help me with a mod of something that exists and could be refitted in what is likely less time and money that this joke of a weapons platform could be had for.
@@ShootBlueHelmets check out The War Zone and Naval News articles; there's some interesting bolt-on mods for more missiles, more defense, etc. See if it's similar to what you had in mind.
Since the type 55 is basically a bigger type 52 and the constellation is a smaller Burke it begs the question what if the US just did what the Chinese did and made a bigger Burke for its cruisers?
@@wolfskid15 that is what they are doing with the new Destroyer it is as big as A Tico but will be listed as Destroyer in the future the US will not have any Cruisers at all
"Based on the FREMM" is a good way to put it. There's only about 20% commonality between FREMM and Constellation
The French created the FREM right?
Yep it’s called the class Aquitaine but yep it’s a Franco Italian company that won the defense contract for constellation class
@@axelblomb6471 nope, the compani is fincantieri 100% Italian
the idea to go with a design already ouit there was good, but then they did this!
Yeah the chinese SAM's are pretty much broken in game. They fired 100+ HQ16's and none of them hit anything they were exploding right after launching. This has to be fixed.
What do you mean? This is a American software, ain’t no way letting Chinese win
Easy to fix, China just needs to hand over the technical data for these missiles do we can get it right 👍
@@shatteredstar2149 lol, just put whatever data in it and it would still do better than those shown in the video, and with the espionage capability of our country, do u think the Chinese weapon would be a mysterious for us?😂
The 1st Constellation FFG-62 was just laid down 2 weeks ago from today. Still gonna be a few years till it's active.
A naval battle using Lockheed's new Mako missile would be sick. F-35C's vs PLAN Type-055?
They always shoot their load early as usual😂
Yea i cant wait to see Mako added
Holy Moly! A new hypersonic weapon hot of the press, ive been waiting for one of these.
Mako would be just mean.
We already know American weapons massively outperform everyone else's.
China and Russia have no hope against it
Overkill. American weapons are already way better than CN/RS
Mako would just be cruel 😂
Thanks to CH for his great work. Thanks to Cap for sharing.
Hi GR, the NSM is not modeled correctly. It is supposed to do crazy terminal maneuvers (bobbing and weaving). Check this article: Kongsberg, “Kongsberg Naval And Joint Missiles Update”, Precision Strike Annual Review, PSAR-14, 13-Mar-2014
Its the limitations of the DCS engine, not the modders per say.
YJs and Russian kh are able to maneuvers irl as well. But DCS has limitations
Will try but simply may not be possible in DCS.
So does YJ-12
@@bohan9957 No. China and Russian ASM only do pop-up-descend maneuver, which is limited to vertical plane. Unlike JSM, which maneuvers both in horizontal and vertical planes.
Cool little video. These kinds of simulations are neat in a "fair fight" kinda way. Unfortunately for real life america that China already has 2 type 54Bs both launched in 2023, while USA has just now in mid 2024 laid down the hull for the constellation class. US Naval institute has reported this class of frigate is 3 years behind - Originally expected for 2026, now 2029.
By the time the Navy gets 4 constellation frigates we're talking 2032 minimum. China would have 50+ frigates of 54B standard or better by then. RIP US Navy :(
Well done CH you’re ships are great entertainment. Thanks Cap.
Yeh his ships are super fun.
The type 31 "only" has a 57mm plus two 40mm guns. First constellation was laid down at the start of this month
32 mk 41 now though, mainly for FC/ASW and sea ceptor. Too bad it doesn't have a more capable aaw radar suite as it can only really support CAMM and nothing longer ranged
@@lukeallison3713 meant for supporting other ships. Isn't really for sailing on its own.
@@MTBScotland Still going to be packing a slightly better aaw armament than type 23 ( ns 110, potentially more sea ceptors)not as capable in anti submarine warfare but with 16-24 FC/ASW missiles, will be a lethal anti surface combatant. Sea ceptor is pretty close to ESSM range- enough for a ship to 'sail on its own' if given a basic sonar fit (captas-2, a cheap hull sonar) and its own merlin helicopter
@@lukeallison3713it'll be linked to AEGIS so range won't really be an issue. It'll be limited only by the range of NSMs.
It'll be capable of anti-sub and anti-air as well. AND more than capable of defending itself.
A true jack of all trades ship.
Once we've got a few dozen of these in the water, it's completely over for CN/RS.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 @MTBScotland was discussing the RN type 31 in contrast. I agree, Constellation is great, 16 nsms is a welcome upgrade and they can be used against land targets so less need for tomahawk. Still feel 32 cells is a bit lacking if you want a decent oufit of both sm + asroc as well as ESSM. SPY-6 and Aegis baseline 10 is actually better than any US warship till Burke III. Main concern for me is the lack of a hull sonar for redundancy, if their is an issue with Captas-4 (exceptional piece of kit), it will be blind. As for my comments above, well Type 31 is lacking quite a bit but is a similar size to constellation, was always planned to be cheap
@grimreapers - Thanks for the video and the new asset Cap, CH! Send'em all to Davy Jones' Locker!
I love these. Thanks, any naval battles are the coolest. Even these 1 vs 1 is super cool. I know it's not realistic but this is a video game.
Why did you give the Type 054Bs only 8 YJ-12s each? They carry 16 YJ12s each, same number of anti-ship missiles as the Constellation Class.
so that American can win!
We would will in real life and paper tiger China knows that lol and you@@catking1857
Degrading
Wow. Wasn't expecting a wipe. I figured with 240 SAMs that no C ships would be lost.
I went back partway through and added the numbers up. Constellation has twice as many anti-ship missiles _and_ a few more SAMs (8 SM-6 + 16 SM-2MR + 16 ESSM + 21 RIM-116 = 61 total per ship) than the Type 054B (24 HHQ-10 + 32 HHQ-16 = 56 total per ship). It just became a numbers game, especially with China shooting all those HHQ-16 at nothing.
Thanks
You can't fool me, everyone knows a Constellation class ship has a saucer section and quad nacelles
Great work CH, as usual, what a wep the new frigate is.
Wow I got here early today. Kind of looking forward to this one
Unfortunately the Constellation class has been delayed again. At this rate, we won't see the first until 2030. It's so ironic that the US Navy specifically chose an existing design to simplify production, then they messed with it so much It's massively delayed.
I do think these will be good ships, but I really wish the Navy would add more CIWS to their ships. It just seems like a minimal extra cost per ship could make the difference in batte
57mm main gun will more than make up for the lack of Phalanx, as the main gun can fire flechet rounds that kinda act like a modern flak weapon, you could think of it as a super CIWS. Think something like the Oerlikon Millennium but even bigger.
Also, modernized Missile CIWS like the RIM-116 would perform better anyway.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Yeah, SeaRAM Phalanx or Mk.144 with the RIM-116 is the way to go with supersonic cruise missiles becoming more common. Gun CIWS struggles with supersonics and will be effectively useless against hypersonics.
@@Cris-xy2giIn fact the US Navy revealed last month that they'll be replacing the Phalanx on the Arleigh Burkes with RAM launchers starting in 2025. Guns-based CIWS is basically obsolete at this point, missiles-based CIWS is the way to go here on out.
@surefresh8412 My point is that I don't understand why we have to choose between missile and gun CIWS? Let's have both. I think every Burke should have two Phalanx and two SeaRAM. Missile based CIWS will run out really quick and it doesn't hurt to have a backup. In comparison to the cost of the ships these bolt-on systems are nothing. I really think the Chinese and Russians have a better approach to this by overloading their ships with multiple kinds of CIWS. Also now that we are seeing drone swarms, we need more short-range weapons than ever before
@@blueskiestrevor5200 That is a good point, the Phalanx is good for small surface targets and drones...
Very good simulation. Would appreciate more ship engagements.
Imagine how much quicker this battle would have ended and how many more missiles the US might have saved if the constellations AI were not firing them in such limited salvos.
can say the same about the Chinese too though
I kind of like it, drags the excitement out further.
@@billwhoever2830 they fired missiles in one big salvo
@@user-xc6xl3wl3y no they did not, they fired 1 by 1 per ship
the chinese simply had fewer and faster missiles, this is why the Chinese attack came in faster, lasted less and ended much faster
@@billwhoever2830the Chinese attack ended faster because they sent all of their missiles before the Constellations even fired 5
I remember requesting this a year or two ago. Thank you!
We got there in the end :)
I served on two FFG-7 class back during the Gulf War era. They were really good general purpose/ escort vessels.
This new Constellation class looks like a very bad ass upgraded replacement and I've been waiting for it for quite a while. Disappointed they are behind schedule.
Are countermeasures going to be added to other ships? Also can you do constellation class against type 26, type 26 with SPEAR 5.
Great model of the Constellation-class @currenthill and fun video to watch - 'MERICA!! Curious, "what if" the US Navy could take the retiring Harpoons and update them to become supersonic ASMs. Could it be "as simple" at updating the S/W, new nose cone and fins and a supersonic motor? Notice I put "as simple" in quotes LOL! But I am curios as to why the USN doesn't have a supersonic ASM (or perhaps they do 🤔) This is of course the USN who gave us the freak'in waste of money LCS... Agree with the folks in the comments, USN should have brought back this type of frigate instead. Smart to go with a proven design hull. Fun video Cap! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
Should be up and running in DCS this weekend! I need to watch your "GR Flight School" video you gave me a link to in the comments in a different video. Thanks Cap!
I don't think a supersonic missile (at least the ones the US is planning to have) would fit on a Constellation class frigate.
The NSM Naval Strike Missile is actually Norwegian, and the airborne version of it is the Joint Strike Missile which will be fitted (two of them) inside the bay of the F-35 Lightning II.
The NSM flight path is modeled wrong here, they will not fly straight in the terminal phase, they will maneuver erradically to avoid CIWS and other close defence weapons.
Norwegian produced, American tech and development.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 you should adress that to Kongsberg, then you might find that a lot of it is developed in Norway as well. Originally it was designated as Norsk Sjømålsmissil, later given the english name.
The Constellation is designed and built by Fincantieri, the Italian company responsible for the FREMM-it.
While being derived from the FREMM-it, it has extensive modifications to suit American systems and liking.
Production will happen in America, as per US law, but in the Fincantieri owned shipyard of Marinette.
Interestingly, an even newer version of the frigate is being worked on for the Italian Navy, the FREMM-EVO, featuring similarities to the Constellation. So, this project is very much alive, bouncing back and forth among countries.
Great! Want to see this long ago. But Constellation Class is put off again and again disappointingly
edit: In fact, integrating LRASM to vls is not difficult, but now us navy just doesn't have that demand. For CIWS role, in fact MK110 57mm gun can be used for that purpose, which accounts for why 7000 tons ship armed with so small main gun, fire rate. Whatever, us navy is kinda lack of offensive weapon in my opinion compared to its possible enemy, so NSM is just a choice out of none sadly.
ps: I really hope the cost of us weapons especially naval weapons can be cheaper😰, ship construction ability of the United States is far behind East Asia in some sense.
Tbf, the FFG(X) project is at least a *much* better project than the LCS, though I agree the US needs better anti-ship missile capability, the demand is higher than ever with China's rate of ship construction dwarfing the US.
@@toasteroven6761 Indeed, LCS became a crab in current sight with so much tax wasted🥲. US under-estimated China in the past 2-3 decades.
The US Navy is not going to be using antiship missiles to take care of surface combatants. It's all asymmetric warfare. Submarines, planes, special forces.
@@IetsgoBrandonChina deserves to be underestimated. Nothing they make is of the same quality as U.S. made. They just have more of them.
Also I don't get why you think NSM is a "choice out of none". It won the naval contract because it's an incredibly capable missile that can maneuver wildly and is nearly impossible to shoot down even if you do manage to detect it.
The Constellation Frigate with it's huge store of NSMs and SM's will be completely lethal to anything China puts on the water. It's better than anything they have and we will be able to build them much faster.
China's not a threat in the water. You being on Xi Xing Pings payroll doesn't change that, lol.
We have the LRASM, the JASSM (which can be used for both land and sea), the Tomahawk, the TLAM, the SM-6, and now the NSM. Tell me again how the U.S. has no anti-ship missiles?
You also forget the vast array of guided bombs that the U.S. has which can be used against ships very effectively.
Oh. And we have the Mako Hypersonic now too! @@toasteroven6761
I hope you guys can return to some realistic wargames soon! I would like to see the Japanese navy vs the Russian Pacific Fleet
I'm waiting for my health to improve. Those WG's really take it out of me so I'll be patient and wait.
I learned recently that there was a mod that allowed the Pyotor Veliky warship to fire all 20 of its Granit missiles, but apparently it was taken down for some reason.
Isn't Russia scrapping those?
@@Just_A_Random_Desk No, they are actually refitting them. Admiral Nakimov will (maybe) receive a navalized S-400 system to replace S-300F, S-350 Redut to replace Naval Tor missiles, presumably will receive either Pantsir-M or Palash to replace Kashtans, and will have 64 UKSK VLS missile cells to replace the 20 P-700 Granits. Pyotor Veliky will enter the same refit whenever Nakimov finishes, if ever.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx huh? There's an article from 2023 saying Russia is gonna scrap the Kirov
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Wow
I was hoping they would choose the British type 26 or the constellation frigate. One of the requirements was that the chosen hull class had to already be in service in order to speed up production. The Spanish frigate was also considered, as well as our current coast guard cutter.
There's still a large difference in warhead size when you compare the anti ship missiles of the Chinese and the American vessel. Even when compared to the harpoon, the NSM warhead appears to be quite anemic for it's mass. But nevertheless it's a stealth missile, also a smaller one, which allows you to pack more of them on the constellation. If you really wanna make the constellation put up a fight, you can up the number of NSMs inyo 32. That area amidship is too spacious for just 16 NSMs.
So basically whoever throws the most daka at the enemy wins.
Type 26 vs US Constellation next. :D Both not in service yet, and both looks awesome and powerfull.
It would be intresting to see a version of the NSM in at least DCS that could go at about MACH 1.1 to 1.3.
I have to imagine the blueforce slower style ASM do evasive maneuvers once getting within CIWS range.
The keel on the first Constellation class was laid just this month, not in the water yet afaik. They're going to be good ships though, but interested to see the ddg-x in about ten years.
Surprising, I've always felt the Constellation class was a bit under armed.
The Connie is another ship I'd be very interested to see work with 2 to 4 "Minimally/Optionally-manned" LUSVs, each with 4 to 8 of the 40ft Mk.70 4-cell VLS launchers on deck, which would be really cool to see in DCS.
Even with 16 NSMs from the 4 deck-mounted box launchers, I still agree with the criticism that FFG-62 is too poorly armed for its size & role. 32 VLS cells is simply inadequate, especially at a time when no capability to rearm at sea exists. It's been clear for the last decade that the threat environments at sea require robust magazines with substantial depth, covering the gamit from low to very high-end capabilities, in order for a naval platform to have any meaningful effect in a fight & a decent level of survivabiluty. 32 cells might suffice in a low-end fight, through low-threat areas in littoral waters, or brief transits through blue-water areas of moderate-threat levels for a large corvette/fast frigate. However, for anything like a mission-specific frigate that might be expected to fight & win decisively against moderate-level threats and survive intact for the next fight requires an absolute minimum of 64 cells, and more than 64 for a multi-mission frigate like the Connie which would be expected to operate as part of a larger surface group & contribute meaningfully, if not decisively, in a high- to very high-end fight.
A few Mk.70 launchers on Connie's deck in addition to the the existing NSM launchers & 32 VLS cells would be a good start, but unless each one will be permanently augmented with at least 2 LUSVs assigned alongside them at all times, they'd better be together in significant numbers. What's more, DOD has to start taking warfighting capacity, and not just capability, seriously.
Great battle Cap and CH. Now I’m wondering if there are any plans for the upgraded Zumwalt-class? (Admittedly, I just think a hypersonic slug-fest between them and a 055 would be interesting.)
The Connie is not happy to have her name given to a Frigate again
The Connie?
@@ETRTriad USS Constellation. The name was first used for one the US Navy's original six frigates (Constellation, Constitution, President, Chesapeake, Congress, United States) launched in 1797, and then to a sloop-of-war launched in 1853 (and still afloat as a museum ship in Baltimore) but then the name was given to a Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier, launched in 1960.
@@jasonosmond6896 thank you 👏
Based on FREM as in, it was supposed to be cheap & effective by being based on FREM, then they totally changed the design to make it no longer recognisable in cost, design or capability. It'll be a good ship, but look at all of the delays they're experiencing because they couldn't just buy off the plan, with only a few tweaks.
would love to see some lesser known frigates like the Fridtjof Nansen class Norwegian frigate and iver huitfeldt class Danish frigate.
Does DCS allow for use of the ships main gun? I’m pretty sure the navy would use the gun with special ammunition to intercept some of the incoming missiles.
I wonder if the Constellation counter measures had anything to do with that YJ only hitting the bow of that one FFG, likely only causing minor flooding as the bow can be sealed off more easily and the ship could always move in reverse back to port like some American destroyers did during WW2 (after suffering similar bow torpedo hits).
Is the Type 26/Hunter Class frigate in DCS yet?
Hopefully there'll be updates for current anti ship missiles that they approach in weaving trajectories.
Yo Cap, at least 4 Littoral Combat Ships are already equipped with NSM in real life! Yo CH this is great! Please continue the amazing work! We need The Ghost, M80Stiletto, Pegasus-Class Hydrofoil, San Antonio Class(also receiving NSM;), Littoral Combat Ships lol with NSM Plus Independence Class, Freedom Class, and Sea Fighter FSF-1(still in service), Zumwalt with CPS, (CUSV, ACTUV, LRUSV, LUSV)Ghost Fleet Overlord, and Flight III Arleigh Burke!🙏👍
Lol also U.S. Drone Boats with Stingers!
An LSD with ASMs? What?
Also, you're already covered on the mods for LCS and Burke III
@@Anarchy_420 I swear the Stinger will outlive me
@@totalNERD-eo7wx yup, they are probably being done already, news about it had more or less went dark. Where? I haven't seen them besides useless LCS Mods that can just basically be used as targets at port..?
@@Anarchy_420 OK I was only saying the LCS because of what I have seen GR do.
Could you guys make a LCF frigate from the Dutch? I'd love to see it compete against other vessels. What is your opinion about the Dutch Navy new Air Defence frigate and the retirement of our Phalanx version called Goalkeeper?
Looks quite similar to Type 45 destroyer with that back section, obviously no pyramid but the rest is similar
... Oh so pretty sure it's a constellation class is going to have the current SLQ-32 with active countermeasures as well as the passive.
Hey cap, do you think a single modern American destroyer could have defended pearl harbor?
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Thought: how about a 1/10th scale UK vs France, possibly using US assets in the UK, Belgium or Netherlands for balance? I am still entertained at how worked up Cap got over the British vs French carrier fight.
The Constellation Class looks like the Singapore Fomidable Class frigate 🇸🇬
They are both based on the FREMM.
@@Giloup92 Fremm? If u are refering to the french la fayette, then yes. France help Singapore built and designed the Fomidable Class Frigate with the RSS Fomidable built in France while the other 5 ships are built locally in Singapore.
CH days = best days!
Awesome as always! Can we have one with the Type 26 included as well please?
Maybe 4x T26 with 4x Constellation against 8x 54B's? Or 4x 54B's with 4x Gorshkov's?
I kinda want to see how the Type 054B stacks up against the Grigorovich.
Also, I would argue that even though it is considered a frigate, the Gorshkov is more of a "Higher level" of warship, comparable to a Destroyer, since it has a relatively long range SAM system and a solid suite of Anti-ship/Land-attack missiles.
FINALLY. We finally have an American warship with true anti-ship missiles for our wargames. Now we need to the Burkes and Ticos loaded up with LRASM-Bs and Tomahawk Block-Vs and we'll be set.
The final NSM salvo from the Constellations looked like something out of Macross and therefore worthy of some Japanese backgorund music.
Round three of asking for F-16 vs. PLAAF fighter inventory.
Is this Constellation a FREMM inspired frigate?
It be interresting to see a German F126 class frigatte cosidering its basically a destroyer
I think many Chinese naval fans are disappointed that the 054B essentially has the same armament to the 054A which is 32 VLS HQ16 anti air missiles and same 8 anti ship missiles launch cells, despite being quite significantly larger than the 054A (4,000 tonnes vs 6,000 tonnes). The major upgrade is the platform itself and the AESA spinning radar. It is just an enlarged version of the 054A. meanwhile, the constellation class displaces 7,000 tons, roughly matching the displacement of the 052D destroyer.
and actually both of them can quad pack missiles, then the main anti air missiles would be 4x but smaller ranges.
Frigates are designed to screen against submarines and air targets using their powerful sonars and radars, stuffing more missiles onto them doesn’t make much sense given their role as fast, cheap, and expendable defensive measures.
The first constellation was laid down in april of this year so we are a ways out from having any
Do you have current European battle ships ( Germany, France , Italy etc ) in DC's ? If yes make a video with this
This is known as an "unfriendly exchange of military technology"
Get some!
I wonder what Cap and CH were discussing when CH casually mentioned he had made a new ship. Quantum physics, surely.
Have they got any models with Dragon Fire weapon systems installed?
Not yet, and they also don’t have HELIOS, ODIN, or LWS on any USN ships either and they’ve been installed on ships for almost a decade in some cases.
I'd love to see a game that takes the simulation capability of DCS and combines it with something like Ultimate Admiral - Dreadnoughts.
Nulka is built by the aussies. Iirc, it means "be quick" in aborigines. It hovers and imitates the radar return of a larger ship to get an incoming missile to miss. i wasnt an ew guy so that pretty much all i know.
Question why would these shipa carry nsm instead of the lrasm
Your trying to tell me the 1100 CWS hits nothing ?
SELF DELUSION
everybody is buying NSM to replace Harpoon its just a better option than trying to develop something new...and it fits the same size space as the quad Harpoon launcher. The T23's and T45s have started carrying them and the RAN is buying them too...
Since the FREMM/Constellation class and type 26 were in competition.... Why don't we see if they made the right choice or not?? :D
could CH as some point do the type 26 as UK, Aussie and Canada are getting them and they will carry 24 anti ship.
Being built by the same company that made the Freedom class, I’m not trusting these ships to do any better. Somehow they were still awarded the contract.
So isn't there a class of US Warship in DCS with any kind of energy weapon system. Light, Sound, EM?
Hi Cap please do a simulation of four PLAN destroyers (type 055) against the US NAVY Zumwalt destroyers plus IOWA BATTLESHIP.
Could you please do one with Indian Visakhapatnam class destroyers or Nilgiri class frigates, they're pretty powerful too with BrahMos ER and Barak-8 🥺
I want to see the Tuo Chiang-class corvette its probably the best corvette in the world it fires supersonic sea skimming missiles.
Now the Chinese SAMs had faults but I also think there has been a mistake of some sort? As the Chinese long/medium range SAMs seems to be working like semi-active radar missiles. But the 054B upgrade was specifically in a way designed to fit the more capable Active radar SAMs like the Russian S-350. Otherwise many of those SAMs would've intercepted those Anti-Ship missiles.
Cap I think its time to model the block va tomahawk, all tomahawk missiles use satellite navigation to reach their target then photo recognition to choose their target, meaning all tomahawks can be used for anti shipping. Air veteran coworker recently confirmed that all American cruise missiles can be used for anti ship missiles even if most of them weren’t designed for that. Tomahawk is not stealthy and very easy to intercept but it comes cheap so basically its use is in the end once the enemy is out of missiles
I noticed that China was almost out of missils after only 32 NSMs were fired. They ended up with 3 NSMs unfired.
One of the things the US would do is send in the LRASMs which will all create a perimeter around the ships then come in at the same time from all directions...
CWIS at night? Fireworks? :)
Setting the distance of 50 miles is too close. hhq16fe is a medium to long-range anti-aircraft missile with a range of about 150km. It is different from essm, which focuses on a shorter distance within 50km. Because it is set to intercept distant targets, missiles generally do not fly very low in order to extend their range before approaching the target. Therefore, tThe minimum height that hhq can intercept is 15 meters. Therefore, after launch, most hhq16 missiles have NSM below Its minimum interception height and failed, and the hhq10, which is dedicated to intercepting low-altitude targets, carries a smaller number.
Because the distance is too close, there is no need to consider the issue of range. The nsm can fly at low altitude and sea skimming all the way through, which leads to such a result.
Is it just me or do the Chinese CIWS seem to fire all 11 barrels? The tracers are in an almost circular pattern versus the single line they should be in. Only one barrel fires at a time. The gun mount would have to oscillate to produce the stream that is shown.
I would think such a weapon probably experiences a lot of dispersion due the amount of shaking that comes with shooting 30 mm rounds at such a fast rate.
No Mako Missiles?
Would the american frigates not use their 57mm for CIWS too?
They do in CH's mod, all of CH's do in fact.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx nice, curious as to how effective it would be realistically. Proxy HE so each individual round would have greater odds of interception but obviously lot less volume of fire.
@@Amexel there’s talk of a smart steerable round for close support firing 3 rounds a minute. Radar controlled. Only 150+ rounds per ship. Cheaper than any missile ~$20k
@@Amexel That sounds about right
Only problem is, CH can't code in airburst so we have to settle for direct impact
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Ah I see. I watched an older video from Grim Reapers where the Visby-klass tried to fend off incoming missiles with the 57mm, didn't go very well, assuming that's for the same reason.
Might i remind you guys that the Constelation Class was the name of the spaceship class that the USS Enterprise from Star Trek The Original Series, a ship that did a lot of the same type of missions the frigates dod durinh the golden age of sail. Coincidente? I think nor.
Wait it is the Constitution Class that the Enterprise was in the Original Star Trek Series. "The Constitution-class was a Federation Starship-class, Class I heavy cruiser that was utilized as the premier front line Starfleet vessels during the mid-23rd century." memory Alpha Web Site.
Registry: USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)
Class: Constitution I, later refit as Constitution II[3][4][5]
Service: 2245-2285 (40 years)
Wikipedia
@@arakuss1 ok. I do know there is a constelation class in Star Trek. Perhaps the Excelsior? Besides Constelation class is a far logical name for a spacecraft than constitution. Seriously.
@@carlossaraiva8213 Well one I am not the producer or writer of the Star Trek or Original Star Trek series. I understand why if your looking at it just from a Sci-fi stance why Constellation Class makes more logic it doesn't for me. It is more grounded in history and culture why Enterprise became the name of the ship and Constitution the class.
There debate about the origins of the Constitution Class. Original producers of the series wanted to call it Enterprise Class. Also the term Starship Class is mentioned.
In the series there was mention that there was 12 other original ships made like Enterprise which makes it 13. This to many made it more in line as a reference to the original 13 colonies. Constellation was one of those ships along with the Constitution and several others.
The USS Constitution was the flagship of the first 6 Frigates to be built for the US Navy when the US Navy was formally created. Constellation is one of those original 6 but the Constitution is the most famous and oldest and still commissioned warship in the US Navy. Enterprise of course has its own legendary fame. USS Enterprise 1775 was the first ship in the Colonial armed forces.
Gene Rodenberry served in the Pacific during WW2 where both the Yorkton and Enterprise were made famous for the battle of Midway. Some say Rodenberry originally chose Yorktown as the name for the Enterprise but with the launch of the nuclear powered carrier USS Enterprise he used its name instead. There is almost always an Enterprise in service being the first. So to me its more history makes it logical for the naming of the class. Constellation though one of the original is not the most famous or historic. Navy whether US or world is usually about tradition along with its naming of vessels. Sorry for the long comment. I know its more then you might wanted to hear but to me this is what was more logical and traditional about naming the Class and Ship along with a bit of history of why those names were chosen.
TOS Enterprise was indeed a Constitution class cruiser. The USS Stargazer that Picard commanded before the Enterprise-D was a Constellation class cruiser. It came after the movies era Enterprise Refits. You can tell it apart by its thick saucer and quadruple warp nacelles, two above and two below the saucer. It was kitbashed from Refit parts mostly. The USS Hathaway in season 2 of TNG is also Constellation class.
NSM cruise missiles are extremely manoeuvrable with cork screwing and other manoeuvres in the last few miles and not replicated here.
Constellation frigates are more multi purpose frigates but they don't have the very quite battery operation (CODLAG) propulsion with a quieter ASW mode to that of the Type 26/Hunter/Canadian Surface Class have.
The US has signed contracts for 6 ships so far, The first was laid down ( Beginning of construction proper ) on 12 April 2024. Long way from in the water yet, Indeed its so early in the class's development that the design still isn't finalised, Although it has progressed enough to begin building the hull ect. But it's too early to say for definite what the final weapons & systems fit will end up being.. ie there's still debate going on last I've heard about how many VLS cells the navy wishes to fit ect...
17:37 HAHAHAHAHHA Mo mizzilees 4 u!!!!
type 26 vs constellation next please
Constellation is super late and will never be built fast enough in meaningful number to make any impact vs China
The Constellation should be able to fire LRASM out of its mk41 VLS
The Americans would likely not have fired the last dozen missiles as they would have recognized that there was only one remaining enemy ship and it was heavily damaged.
1:36 Really? Is the Rolling Airframe missile that old?
1976. Very old.
@@grimreapers Those are RIM-116C from 2015. The RAM development program started 1976. With your logic applied, the SM-2MR Blk IIIC is from 1963, when the RIM-66 development started?
Most modern ships ditched the gun based CIWS for RAM, because of the better hit probability, and the longer range.
This channel is now have devolved to basically “that U.S. navy must win.” 😂 There is no way that the any one would fire that many AA missile at just one target. Not mentioning no one know how many weapon the type 54b would have. How much that a paying you old cap😊 did you find a girl friend yet with all that money?
there is one 054B in the water，where is the constellation？ haha in the computer😂
Constellation is 3000 tons heavier, almost double the displacement and 4x the price.... Its a Frigate by name only. By displacement and size its not far off the early flight Arleigh Burke Class .
Vastly different ships but by cost China can Build 3x type 044 for 1 Constellation.
Lockheed Martin Mako Hypersonic missile would fix the need for a fast anti ship missile. If the Navy buys it.